Elimination Chamber was Eric Bishoffs idea in Kayfabe. Triple H is the actual mastermind. I for one actually love the concept, and when it became a staple at No Way Out it made sense following the Royal Rumble, particularly in the Era of two world titles. Winner of the Royal Rumble picks one world title, the elimination Chamber match is either for the other world title, or a shot at said world title at Wrestlemania. Even in an era with only one world title it works as an obstacle for the champion to overcome. In that regard it maybe fits survivor series better. And yes, the legacy of the EC was tainted by the likes of the Extreme version at December to dismember, and the IC and tag title bouts at the titularly named event that took place in May 2015, but show me a stipulation that has been executed well in every instance. Also I has to laugh when you state that wrestlers think logically in an elimination type match. Particularly in WWE we continually see wrestlers break up pin falls in an elimination style multi man match. Logic is more often not present in the wrestling ring.
I was always a fan of RoH's Christmas tag match. 5 on 5, heels and faces mixed together and having to work together to win. Throw in some holiday props, and you've got some good sports entertainment.
I love 2 out of 3 falls for major championships i like King of the Ring with 32 men over a month with 8 to 4 to 2 on PPV I'd also like to see Gauntlet matches come back for title vacancies. Complete with picking of numbers of who will come in Table & Ladder matches can go right in the Hardcore bin... very played out...10yrs ago
I like dog collar matches they look brutal. The most recent one i can think of with CM Punk and MJF was an absolute banger of a match. However my favorite has to be either a No Holds Barred match or a Ladder Match
In my honest opinion, every gimmick match who has its name on a PPV was killed because of it, because now they are doing them just for the sake of it, barring 1 or 2 exceptions, which Hell in a Cell, which Elimination Chamber, which TLC match was really memorable in a good way in these PPV's ?
The most fucked up 3 way matches I have seen was the tomosan three way in which 3 people are drawn with letter A, B & C and they would fight in A vs B, then A vs C then B vs C and two people would fight until the match was over then the third participate would fight the anyone of other two in order of their drawn letter. The one who win the most matches wins the match. Basically triple threat but in a single round robin style match. It's happened only twice first one at AJPW champions carnival 1997 finals between kobashi, misawa and kawada and second in 2021 AJPW triple crown championship match between jack Lee, Yuma aoyagi, and kento miyahara. And both are available on TH-cam
I'd like to see the Scramble match happen as a one on one type, it would be like an Iron Man match but you can tell a different story. And yeah, Triple Threat's and Four Ways should all be elimination
Great video Dave, I got the reference 🙋🏾♂️ Regarding KOTR, would you bring back all the elements of the classic tournament(king gimmick/ guaranteed title match) or modify them in some way?
KotR never had a guaranteed title shot attached to it. In fact, it’s rarely lead to the winner getting any kind of a real push whatsoever. The only KotR winner I can think of that wound up booked into any title picture at all (brand title, world title, US/IC title, tag titles, and even lowcard filler titles) directly due to their performance during the KotR is Austin. Even then, it’s believed that Austin and Hart was going to happen that following summer even if HHH hadn’t been punished for the Curtain Call incident and won that KotR. That said, I do think that the KotR should come with the stipulation of getting a title shot at Summerslam. Oh, and, I got the reference too...though I’m only just now getting back home and online to see the videos.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh that’s right, but there were already little hints being thrown around that Brock was next in line. Little face-offs between him and Rock months before the KotR started. That said, yes the stipulation was there. It’s the only time, though. Even Austin didn’t get a guaranteed shot at a title, though the KtoR was used as a building block to it.
I personally miss the old traditional Survivor Series PPV style, where all (or all but the title match) was with teams…could tie that into your idea, where like 3-4 SD and Raw teams are formed, culminating in the Grand Finale match…and keep the WWE title match separate for either the main or semi-main spot.
The Old Survivor Series traditional pay-per-view style was to have the match at the end of the night between all of the survivors of both sides of the previous matches
I'm not opposed to it as long as they have an elaborate finish. However the only other problem is that they don't have any wrestlers right now that fit the gimmick
ECW's three-way dance is better than WWE Triple Threat matches and my least favorite Gimmick I hate that I'm saying this but the Elimination Chamber Match the original Elimination Chamber Match was awesome now WWE has made it into a Joke by making it it's own PPV in 2010 and it doesn't end Feuds anymore.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling ah come on Dave, have a little faith. I like the idea of the two doors only being opened once for a limited time period, having to resort to climbing afterwards. And a small cage inside a huge cage has potential idc how bad it's been done in the past. If you made the "Punjabi" Prison match a multi-man match where the participants could utilize both the inner and outer area, change the bamboo style of the cage, and didn't have the Great Khali, it could be a good match. Imo at least
Sorry but the king of the ring won’t ever return to the glory days that it once was & where it actually meant something at one point in time to where you fight for the main title now whoever they try & bring it back it’s a joke now ohh you won here is your crown good luck to you . You don’t get crap out of it only to be called king or queen that’s it
The Triple Threat was actually done first in SMW. It too had an elimination rule and they made sure that there was a reason for all 3 guys to be in that Match. Heyman stole that one. They only did it once because it for that one feud (Smothers, White Boy & Prime Time). I don't think that there's footage. Christmas Chaos 1993, all 3 nights. Personally I can go on without ever seeing a Match involving ladders ever again. Used to be Wrestling Matches with Ladders. Became stunt shows with occassional Wrestling Moves. For which I blame those 3 Tag Teams. Needless to say that I don't care much for their Matches either. Which happened on re-watches. I liked them the 1st time around.
One-fall multi-person matches is probably my most hated thing in wrestling now. Do it with the elimination rules, and I'm down. Blood & Guts/submission only WARGAMES!!!!!!!! with a roof and "I Quit" will always be my favorite gimmick matches.
I thought I was the only one who hated triple threats... glad to see I got company As for Blood & Guts, I do hate the lack of roof in NXT, but the whole point is that I want the chaos contained... AEW they just went out of the cage anyway
I used to think that the Hardys, Young Bucks, and FTR could put on one hell of a TLC match. The Hardys and Bucks could basically fill the role of...well... the Hardys and Edge and Christian, doing all the big spot monkey stuff. FTR has shown that they can work off of all that and be the grounding, foundation force that brings the missing elements much as the Dudleys did. However, after seeing the recent debacles between the Hardys and the Bucks, yeah, I don’t think this way any longer. However, I’d be intrigued for a TLC match if the Lucha Bros were put into the Hardys role. Of course, none of the tag teams are in the WWE... I’m pretty much done with WWE trivializing steel structures. I don’t even want to see them scale down to one big steel cage gimmick a year anymore. Just take a break from them for... oh... 5 years. Then break one out for a particularly strong feud and rivalry. Triple threat matches are so bad that even the wrestlers hate working them due to the clunkiness. I’d much rather see an old style 4-corners (or tornado) match where each contestant is in a corner and has to tag himself in. Even in the elimination style, these tend to work so much better than triple threats. That ECW champions quest match is an interesting take on this as well. Oddly enough, I miss the “loser leaves town” type matches where the face loses and comes back in an obvious mask for a while. Especially when the heel manages to “reveal” them, only for it to be some other similar looking face under the mask. Those still crack me up, even though they were always ridiculously obvious.
Solid picks but for me, the Bucks and Hardys are a little redundant. And also is it cheating that you're using one of the original 3 teams? And while I love FTR, they aren't exactly known for ladder matches. But adding technical wrestling to the mix works for me. I think what's missing is a powerhouse, a muscle team to take on the Dudleys role. But I don't want a pair of meatheads. I'd want a team that's strong like Dudleys and also good in the ring like them too
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I did like the TLC styled match between the Revival, DYI, and AoP several years back. The match was mostly carried by the two challengers, while AoP had their power-based highlights. Of course, a better all around (and not still too green to be in a high profile match) powerhouse team would have made that match even better. While none of these teams were ever in such a match, I do wonder if a TLC match involving the Midnight Express, Rock N Roll Express, and either the Steiners or Road Warriors could do as well as the Attitude Era trio. From a more WWF focus, the British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, and Demolition could have torn the house down with a TLC match back in the late 80s-early 90s.
KOTR needs a reboot and the semi finals & finals take place at the Royal Rumble. Those who fail to qualify or advance automatically get entry into the Rumble match. Winner of the KOTR gets an automatic WWE or Universal Championship match. Definitely time to bring prestige back to the MITB, Elimination Chamber, TLC & Hell in a Cell by getting rid of the PPVs themselves.
What truly ruins the multi man matches is the no DQ and no count out shit. Why can't they keep the rules and if someone breaks them or gets counted out they eliminated. Simple fix and the matches will improve. Ha.
One match WCW did that I hope WWE never brings back is the Doomsday Cage Match. That was the match where Hogan and Savage had to go through a three tier steel cage facing Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and the Dungeon of Doom (Meng, Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan aka The Taskmaster, Z Gangsta and the Ultimate Solution).
The only Elimination Chamber match I enjoyed was the one where Ryback one the Intercontinental Championship. I only like it because it's hilarious with all the botches. Mark Henry had his door busted early, Sheamus was stuck while they were confused and trying to buy time. It's so funny.
Personally I’d put last man standing matches on my list of most hated. Too much stalling and standing around for my liking.
I never understood why did never did another Armageddon Hell in a Cell match. I'd rather see that then the Elimination Chamber.
Oh that's a good one, I miss that match too!
I definitely could’ve seen them do one in the ruthless aggression with Cena, Batista, Orton, Triple H, HBK, and The Undertaker.
I mean I feel the match was really sloppy, but it had so much potential it was just overly booked for how many people were involved.
Elimination Chamber was Eric Bishoffs idea in Kayfabe. Triple H is the actual mastermind. I for one actually love the concept, and when it became a staple at No Way Out it made sense following the Royal Rumble, particularly in the Era of two world titles. Winner of the Royal Rumble picks one world title, the elimination Chamber match is either for the other world title, or a shot at said world title at Wrestlemania. Even in an era with only one world title it works as an obstacle for the champion to overcome. In that regard it maybe fits survivor series better. And yes, the legacy of the EC was tainted by the likes of the Extreme version at December to dismember, and the IC and tag title bouts at the titularly named event that took place in May 2015, but show me a stipulation that has been executed well in every instance.
Also I has to laugh when you state that wrestlers think logically in an elimination type match. Particularly in WWE we continually see wrestlers break up pin falls in an elimination style multi man match. Logic is more often not present in the wrestling ring.
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The Scramble Match is my favorite gimmick match, I did a lot of Scramble matches on SmackDown vs Raw 2010.
I was always a fan of RoH's Christmas tag match. 5 on 5, heels and faces mixed together and having to work together to win. Throw in some holiday props, and you've got some good sports entertainment.
Street Fight you get to wear jeans like it’s casual Friday 😂
Even if WWE doesn't do another championship scramble, I at least hope the video games bring it back. Was a good laugh to play it with friends.
110% agree on King of the Ring coming back into a one night tourny
Least favorites:Triple Threat, Iron Man, Chairs, Last Man Standing, and Fatal 4 Way
Current WWE Championship The Brian Kendrick
I love 2 out of 3 falls for major championships
i like King of the Ring with 32 men over a month with 8 to 4 to 2 on PPV
I'd also like to see Gauntlet matches come back for title vacancies. Complete with picking of numbers of who will come in
Table & Ladder matches can go right in the Hardcore bin... very played out...10yrs ago
I prefer the ECW style of the 3 way dance. I also wish we could cut down on weapons. I'm sick of kendo sticks, tool boxes,fire extinguishers
Casual Friday Night Smackdown it’s just street fights all night 😂
Favorites: Cinematic matches, Bra & Panties/Evening Gown, Texas Deathmatch, Money in the Bank, Royal Rumble
I like dog collar matches they look brutal. The most recent one i can think of with CM Punk and MJF was an absolute banger of a match. However my favorite has to be either a No Holds Barred match or a Ladder Match
Everything more than 1v1 or 2v2 should be elimation rules
Hi Dave! Video suggestion time! Could a tournament in the style of the G1 Climax work in American wrestling? And if so, how would you make it work?
In my honest opinion, every gimmick match who has its name on a PPV was killed because of it, because now they are doing them just for the sake of it, barring 1 or 2 exceptions, which Hell in a Cell, which Elimination Chamber, which TLC match was really memorable in a good way in these PPV's ?
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What are your top 5 best and worst Championships of WWE past or present?
The most fucked up 3 way matches I have seen was the tomosan three way in which 3 people are drawn with letter A, B & C and they would fight in A vs B, then A vs C then B vs C and two people would fight until the match was over then the third participate would fight the anyone of other two in order of their drawn letter. The one who win the most matches wins the match.
Basically triple threat but in a single round robin style match.
It's happened only twice first one at AJPW champions carnival 1997 finals between kobashi, misawa and kawada and second in 2021 AJPW triple crown championship match between jack Lee, Yuma aoyagi, and kento miyahara. And both are available on TH-cam
Yes!! Best part of Thursdays, a new video from dave.
I'd like to see the Scramble match happen as a one on one type, it would be like an Iron Man match but you can tell a different story.
And yeah, Triple Threat's and Four Ways should all be elimination
The Finn Seth Miz triple threat for IC Title at Wrestlemania 34 was underrated
Great video Dave,
I got the reference 🙋🏾♂️
Regarding KOTR, would you bring back all the elements of the classic tournament(king gimmick/ guaranteed title match) or modify them in some way?
I think I'd probably bring it back in all of its cheesy goodness. And nice that you caught the reference... I think you're the first
KotR never had a guaranteed title shot attached to it. In fact, it’s rarely lead to the winner getting any kind of a real push whatsoever. The only KotR winner I can think of that wound up booked into any title picture at all (brand title, world title, US/IC title, tag titles, and even lowcard filler titles) directly due to their performance during the KotR is Austin. Even then, it’s believed that Austin and Hart was going to happen that following summer even if HHH hadn’t been punished for the Curtain Call incident and won that KotR.
That said, I do think that the KotR should come with the stipulation of getting a title shot at Summerslam.
Oh, and, I got the reference too...though I’m only just now getting back home and online to see the videos.
Brock was given a guaranteed title shot against the Rock at Summerslam when he won
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh that’s right, but there were already little hints being thrown around that Brock was next in line. Little face-offs between him and Rock months before the KotR started.
That said, yes the stipulation was there. It’s the only time, though. Even Austin didn’t get a guaranteed shot at a title, though the KtoR was used as a building block to it.
Blood and guts is a poor mans wargames
In NXT War Games is the poor man's War Games
I personally miss the old traditional Survivor Series PPV style, where all (or all but the title match) was with teams…could tie that into your idea, where like 3-4 SD and Raw teams are formed, culminating in the Grand Finale match…and keep the WWE title match separate for either the main or semi-main spot.
The Old Survivor Series traditional pay-per-view style was to have the match at the end of the night between all of the survivors of both sides of the previous matches
Yeah old school Survivor Series were great... and I want them on Thanksgiving
I like the 2 fall triple threat
Buried Alive matches need to come back!!
I'm not opposed to it as long as they have an elaborate finish. However the only other problem is that they don't have any wrestlers right now that fit the gimmick
ECW's three-way dance is better than WWE Triple Threat matches and my least favorite Gimmick I hate that I'm saying this but the Elimination Chamber Match the original Elimination Chamber Match was awesome now WWE has made it into a Joke by making it it's own PPV in 2010 and it doesn't end Feuds anymore.
Hunter has admitted the Chamber was his idea
...Cause wrestlers always tell the truth
Can we at least talk about how good a punjabi prison match could be if they didn't always have to center around the Great Khali
I'll assume that this is an attempt at humor
@@DaveKnowsWrestling ah come on Dave, have a little faith. I like the idea of the two doors only being opened once for a limited time period, having to resort to climbing afterwards. And a small cage inside a huge cage has potential idc how bad it's been done in the past. If you made the "Punjabi" Prison match a multi-man match where the participants could utilize both the inner and outer area, change the bamboo style of the cage, and didn't have the Great Khali, it could be a good match. Imo at least
Do one that had original former tag champs going on to becoming individual world champs.
The iron man submission match / ulitimate submission match should make a return
Personally I hate iron man matches, they are so boring
Sorry but the king of the ring won’t ever return to the glory days that it once was & where it actually meant something at one point in time to where you fight for the main title now whoever they try & bring it back it’s a joke now ohh you won here is your crown good luck to you . You don’t get crap out of it only to be called king or queen that’s it
The scramble match was one of the worst match ideas i ever saw
Do one that had original former tag champs going on to becoming individual world champs. Because there are many to list.
The Triple Threat was actually done first in SMW. It too had an elimination rule and they made sure that there was a reason for all 3 guys to be in that Match. Heyman stole that one. They only did it once because it for that one feud (Smothers, White Boy & Prime Time). I don't think that there's footage. Christmas Chaos 1993, all 3 nights.
Personally I can go on without ever seeing a Match involving ladders ever again. Used to be Wrestling Matches with Ladders. Became stunt shows with occassional Wrestling Moves. For which I blame those 3 Tag Teams. Needless to say that I don't care much for their Matches either. Which happened on re-watches. I liked them the 1st time around.
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One-fall multi-person matches is probably my most hated thing in wrestling now. Do it with the elimination rules, and I'm down. Blood & Guts/submission only WARGAMES!!!!!!!! with a roof and "I Quit" will always be my favorite gimmick matches.
I thought I was the only one who hated triple threats... glad to see I got company
As for Blood & Guts, I do hate the lack of roof in NXT, but the whole point is that I want the chaos contained... AEW they just went out of the cage anyway
@@DaveKnowsWrestling That's why I prefer Hell in a Cell matches to "steel cage" matches. Fences don't impress me.
I used to think that the Hardys, Young Bucks, and FTR could put on one hell of a TLC match. The Hardys and Bucks could basically fill the role of...well... the Hardys and Edge and Christian, doing all the big spot monkey stuff. FTR has shown that they can work off of all that and be the grounding, foundation force that brings the missing elements much as the Dudleys did. However, after seeing the recent debacles between the Hardys and the Bucks, yeah, I don’t think this way any longer.
However, I’d be intrigued for a TLC match if the Lucha Bros were put into the Hardys role.
Of course, none of the tag teams are in the WWE...
I’m pretty much done with WWE trivializing steel structures. I don’t even want to see them scale down to one big steel cage gimmick a year anymore. Just take a break from them for... oh... 5 years. Then break one out for a particularly strong feud and rivalry.
Triple threat matches are so bad that even the wrestlers hate working them due to the clunkiness. I’d much rather see an old style 4-corners (or tornado) match where each contestant is in a corner and has to tag himself in. Even in the elimination style, these tend to work so much better than triple threats.
That ECW champions quest match is an interesting take on this as well.
Oddly enough, I miss the “loser leaves town” type matches where the face loses and comes back in an obvious mask for a while. Especially when the heel manages to “reveal” them, only for it to be some other similar looking face under the mask. Those still crack me up, even though they were always ridiculously obvious.
Solid picks but for me, the Bucks and Hardys are a little redundant. And also is it cheating that you're using one of the original 3 teams? And while I love FTR, they aren't exactly known for ladder matches. But adding technical wrestling to the mix works for me. I think what's missing is a powerhouse, a muscle team to take on the Dudleys role. But I don't want a pair of meatheads. I'd want a team that's strong like Dudleys and also good in the ring like them too
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I did like the TLC styled match between the Revival, DYI, and AoP several years back. The match was mostly carried by the two challengers, while AoP had their power-based highlights. Of course, a better all around (and not still too green to be in a high profile match) powerhouse team would have made that match even better.
While none of these teams were ever in such a match, I do wonder if a TLC match involving the Midnight Express, Rock N Roll Express, and either the Steiners or Road Warriors could do as well as the Attitude Era trio.
From a more WWF focus, the British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, and Demolition could have torn the house down with a TLC match back in the late 80s-early 90s.
so im guessing you hate the wargames gimmick match?
I love it, but I'm not thrilled about how they're done now. I've also talked about War Games a lot on this channel already
KOTR needs a reboot and the semi finals & finals take place at the Royal Rumble. Those who fail to qualify or advance automatically get entry into the Rumble match. Winner of the KOTR gets an automatic WWE or Universal Championship match.
Definitely time to bring prestige back to the MITB, Elimination Chamber, TLC & Hell in a Cell by getting rid of the PPVs themselves.
What truly ruins the multi man matches is the no DQ and no count out shit. Why can't they keep the rules and if someone breaks them or gets counted out they eliminated. Simple fix and the matches will improve. Ha.
Yeah it doesn't take much, I agree the no DQ stuff only makes it worse
One match WCW did that I hope WWE never brings back is the Doomsday Cage Match. That was the match where Hogan and Savage had to go through a three tier steel cage facing Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and the Dungeon of Doom (Meng, Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan aka The Taskmaster, Z Gangsta and the Ultimate Solution).
Love me some casual Friday! Great Video Dave! Thank you for your time and work! Be safe and keep kool 😎
TLC, Hell In A Cell, Elimination Chamber, Survivor Series can all go the way of the Dodo lol
Honorable Mention: 6 Man Tag
Also Four Corners tag matches.
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The only Elimination Chamber match I enjoyed was the one where Ryback one the Intercontinental Championship. I only like it because it's hilarious with all the botches. Mark Henry had his door busted early, Sheamus was stuck while they were confused and trying to buy time. It's so funny.