Bobby Fischer vs Greenblatt: Chess Genius takes on Technology (1977)

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  • @chrishauser5505
    @chrishauser5505 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Had no idea Fischer ever played a computer, much less as early as 1977!
    Thanks, Jerry!

    • @worsethanjoerogan8061
      @worsethanjoerogan8061 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He said the thing he liked best about the Greenblatt Computer was it couldn't resign and so it had to let him carry out his beautiful checkmate 😂

  • @lowlight92
    @lowlight92 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Jerry asking existential questions to the f4 pawn made me sad...

    • @tervrip3456
      @tervrip3456 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂🤣😂

    • @Fishcaso
      @Fishcaso ปีที่แล้ว

      Never heard him so angry

  • @alphapharockson1800
    @alphapharockson1800 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This kind of content is why I subscribed so many years ago. Love your informative style. Keep uploading

  • @shubhamrahinj6864
    @shubhamrahinj6864 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If chess analysis was a game , you would be magnus carlsen of that.
    Absolutely gorgeous analysis

    • @ChessNetwork
      @ChessNetwork  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the compliment. ❤️

  • @nirajways
    @nirajways ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was just thinking about watching an old video of yours and boom comes a notification. Its gonna be a good day! Thanks Jerry ♥️

  • @brennenhiatt8459
    @brennenhiatt8459 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Jerry you are an absolute legend of chess content. Thank you so much for all the knowledge you have given me

  • @Yohyzo
    @Yohyzo ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really enjoyed that little Fischer bobble head on e4 for some reason 🤣

  • @recchi51
    @recchi51 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Slick editing on that E4 opening move. Along with all of your other progressions as a creator and player, I’ve enjoyed watching your development as an editor. Nice!

  • @cptnoremac
    @cptnoremac ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved this video. Fischer and early chess computers are both fascinating.

  • @theherk
    @theherk ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love your channel. Very simple explanations and that smooth articulation. Been here for a long time and appreciate you. Keep up the good work.

  • @jeremyying3602
    @jeremyying3602 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jerry, loved the video. Just wanted to say every time you say pop quiz, I sit up straighter in my chair. I've been out of school for years, and it's such a rush. Thank you so much for your hard work.

  • @bobby5776
    @bobby5776 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you Jerry!

  • @soanywaysillstartedblastin2797
    @soanywaysillstartedblastin2797 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I watched this on acid and it all started making sense wtf???!!

  • @YuriLowellFan
    @YuriLowellFan ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Even though it's just one game, I'm surprised that a Chess computer in 1977 had a pretty decent accuracy against Fischer's very high accuracy.

  • @hello37175
    @hello37175 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sir your videos and commentary are the very best out there. Thank you for your service and efforts. A request, can you post videos for the 60 games of Fischers from his book, my 60 memorable games ?

  • @HouseRN
    @HouseRN ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10:29
    Me, being a long-time ChessNetwork viewer:
    “That’s a FAMILY fork!”

  • @JustMe3.1415
    @JustMe3.1415 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Instructive episode! Appreciate your way of walking us through the game.

  • @OregonMikeH
    @OregonMikeH ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Huge Thumbs Up! Absolutely Loved it! .. Thanks

  • @RicardGomes76
    @RicardGomes76 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow! Fisher did played against an engine before Kaspa!!! That's good history! TY GM!

  • @richardfabrizio8998
    @richardfabrizio8998 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great analysis Jerry. Very informative. Thanks

  • @JP-lr8rr
    @JP-lr8rr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks Jerry, that was cool

  • @TheSoulBlossom
    @TheSoulBlossom ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video! Thank you

  • @constantijndekker8343
    @constantijndekker8343 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interestingly, the one inaccuracy Fischer makes was actually when castling. Maybe he did not evaluate correctly that the endgame was equal after that h3 move! Instead I found (with the help of Stockfish) that he should have given a check on h4 and after g3, he can park his queen on h3 to prevent white from castling there. It can be chased away with Bf1 but then jt drops back to h5 and the queen remains a pest there

  • @ryanpittel1829
    @ryanpittel1829 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Speaking of computers, it turns out Stockfish 15 can now solve that one famous chess puzzle that gave engines problems (you made a video on it 10 years ago). It solves it after 1 billion nodes (a minute or two on my laptop). I’m not sure if an online version will cut it for the depth required though.

    • @BREAKocean
      @BREAKocean ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How did you acquire stock fish 15 and what kind of computer do you use?

  • @alanplum7
    @alanplum7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    good analysis!

    • @davesmith5656
      @davesmith5656 ปีที่แล้ว

      A lot of chess principles named and illustrated in this.

  • @hinteregions
    @hinteregions ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Extra interesting, thank you 🙂

  • @apiolxi
    @apiolxi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jerry, thank you. I Enjoy your analysis. Very helpful

  • @MsUncleKevin
    @MsUncleKevin ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Im so happy to see old games!

  • @ConeDaRagusa
    @ConeDaRagusa ปีที่แล้ว +2

    10:15 does not have to capture knight...bishop and rook for a queen and bishop defends later c3...black did not castle yet and queen check from h3 is met by pawn on g3..so Fisher did well with pawn push to attack bishop on d4..

  • @alvarocastroregueiro
    @alvarocastroregueiro 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s fun how Fischer plays the late endgame, he wants the full queen as you say, he wants to end the game asap, perfectionist mentality. Its like saying to the white rook, you should have taken the passed pawn when you could, now that you havent done it, you will never be able to. Yeah I think he must have thought the computer should have resigned before, he could have played Bf3 + and queening in the next move and he chose to give the check in h3 winning the rook, not sacrificing the bishop, I think he wanted to teach white rook a lesson. Very nice analysis as always. Thank you

  • @EannaButler
    @EannaButler ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video! Definitely subbing... Thanks 👍👍

  • @marksfeir7615
    @marksfeir7615 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    jerry all you do is make great content

  • @PushyPawn
    @PushyPawn ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I found an endangered, ChessNetwork species video in my notifications today.
    Score! 🍿

  • @isaacong77
    @isaacong77 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That moving Fischer head at e4 :o

  • @ellehooq
    @ellehooq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jerry by far the best chess content

  • @coachwilliamsakadr.gambit5334
    @coachwilliamsakadr.gambit5334 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    EXCELLENT Kevin, I always learn something from your videos sir.

  • @MrPharoah77
    @MrPharoah77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I was born that year.

  • @denisrho1019
    @denisrho1019 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tale of the Tape; I like that on full screen (thanks).

  • @JohnIshIshmael
    @JohnIshIshmael ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Calm, lucid analysis and commentary. Thank you (name?). Hugs and blessings ISH 🤗
    John ISH Ishmael

    • @DennisAllard
      @DennisAllard ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His name is Jerry. He starts off all his videos with "Hi everyone, it's Jerry. "

    • @KingoftheJuice18
      @KingoftheJuice18 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DennisAllard Ok, sure, but besides that whatcha got?

  • @joseraulcapablanca8564
    @joseraulcapablanca8564 ปีที่แล้ว

    A nice win. Thanks Jerry

  • @artcamp7
    @artcamp7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fischer was the real machine here. I had always heard about these games as though they were laughably bad but what a good game.

  • @williamogilvie6909
    @williamogilvie6909 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I played against that program in 1976 when I was a sophomore at MIT. I used a terminal of the Delphi computer lab to access it, late one night. I beat the program by pushing a pass pawn and queening it. At that point most of the pieces were gone. We were even for almost the whole game. It appeared to me that Greenblatt's program was ignoring my pawn pushes and was fixated on its own end game strategy. It took several hours to complete the game because very little cpu time was allocated to it. I think I started playing at 9:30 PM and finally won around 4:00 AM. About 5 years later, I met Richard Greenblatt and told him I had beaten his program. He was impressed. I have never played competitively. However, I have beaten one or two strong players in my time. The Greenblatt chess program I played against was not as strong as Fischer's version.

    • @robertomifano4992
      @robertomifano4992 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice story, congrats and thanks for sharing

    • @jimwinchester339
      @jimwinchester339 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you make that last statement just empirically, or are you aware of specific upgrades and/or versions of the program?

  • @michaelmassaro4375
    @michaelmassaro4375 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have to hand it to Black very strong play so much for white having the advantage that weak pawn that was moved early to protect the other pawn did end up as a negative as you stated nice work by the Bishops

  • @tombailey6625
    @tombailey6625 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice , interesting

  • @mehrdadlachini7186
    @mehrdadlachini7186 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bobby fischer the king of chess❤️

  • @theincompleteskeptic8079
    @theincompleteskeptic8079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting. Thanks.
    How do you (or anyone reading this) make arrows appear on your (an) instruction board?

    • @jumpreMusic
      @jumpreMusic ปีที่แล้ว

      usually right click

  • @RoyGazoff
    @RoyGazoff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The game is very good 👌

  • @guckfoogle2779
    @guckfoogle2779 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Jerry is a prime example of why the chess community of TH-cam keeps me from simply ignoring TH-cam.

  • @Jrkgzn
    @Jrkgzn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    New subscriber! 👋

  • @melusindhlovu8905
    @melusindhlovu8905 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hi Jerry, it's everyone.

    • @ChessNetwork
      @ChessNetwork  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😎

    • @BM-wy3wl
      @BM-wy3wl ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love the intro always cracks me up.

  • @gianfrancociv1982
    @gianfrancociv1982 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Jerry, I like a lot your material and it really has helped me on a lot of matches. But I wonder, could you do a video explaining how to analice the moves you do on a game? For example the 2 previous videos where you played balck and white with the queens gambit you illustrate the way you analice what piece to move and why and its amazing how you seem to predict your opponents moves and intentions. How do I learn to do that? Could you make a video on that particular matter ? How to move correctly and congruently with what is happening on the board. Thanks again for you great material, sorry for any misspellings

  • @TomJones-tx7pb
    @TomJones-tx7pb ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really nice commentary.

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At around 14:30 Jerry asked what now? I have watched many Bobby reviews and I call
    it putting your brain into Bobby mode. I have seen him many time id the undefended piece in the camp of his nemesis and immediately seek it with abandon and kill it. Bobby mode. Here not so.
    This is what they call a situation?

  • @ekremkorkmaz8762
    @ekremkorkmaz8762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ty for the content. I watch your video's when going to sleep.

  • @michaelmassaro4375
    @michaelmassaro4375 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The knight is poison good point had me laughing 😂

  • @pianosRepic
    @pianosRepic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I often play ..g6 against 1.e4; then 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5.
    After all, I'm gonna want to play c5 at some point, so if I can get away with it why not here?
    Got a lot of flak on my chess club, but it's good to see Fischer doesn't consider it bad ^^

  • @thejoetandy
    @thejoetandy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a classy finish, making sure he won with a queen on board

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Deflections are extreme poison.

  • @kenallen4175
    @kenallen4175 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did Fischer win all 3 games or just this one? Also I though he never played again until the rematch with Spassky.

  • @ZDTF
    @ZDTF 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    11:00
    One piece

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I believe it was actually called Mac Hack, according to Wikipedia

  • @00bikeboy
    @00bikeboy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always enjoy Jerry's content, but I only have the patience to play it at 1.25x 😊

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Extremely well done. I am not an overly polite guy and thus rarely would I say this type of thing. Good job.

  • @KF1
    @KF1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @cyberhype5495
    @cyberhype5495 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bobby Fischer circa. 1977 would have bashed Deep Blue 6-0

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Normally I would complain about a 20 minute slow paced video, however, I have watched this twice and saved it for viewing a third time. THAT is a first ever for me and a slow paced 20 minute video. Kick Arse.

    • @ppal64
      @ppal64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Normally, if you have a problem with a 20 minute video - you know what you can speed it up. And it becomes a 10 minute video mind blown.

  • @georgetomlinson2731
    @georgetomlinson2731 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You finally made a video that actually lead to checkmate instead of a resign for once
    +1 point

    • @bcfblack
      @bcfblack ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is apparently part of why Fischer enjoyed playing against the Greenblatt computer - it allowed him to play his combinations and ideas out to the end!

    • @georgetomlinson2731
      @georgetomlinson2731 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bcfblack well it toke merry long enough to do a full match

  • @michaeledwards2251
    @michaeledwards2251 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am convinced Fischer's accuracy is underrated. The apparent inaccuracy is due to his probing GREENBLATT.

  • @SixNAC
    @SixNAC ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting game, crazy to see a chess computer be defeated by a human, that wouldn't be possible today

  • @Tirthankar17
    @Tirthankar17 ปีที่แล้ว

    After move 21, what happens if white plays Nd5?

    • @MrUtubePete
      @MrUtubePete ปีที่แล้ว

      Black takes the Bishop

  • @scribebat
    @scribebat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😎

  • @loplop7029
    @loplop7029 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Jerry.

  • @Riker-ER
    @Riker-ER ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @sanelprtenjaca9147
    @sanelprtenjaca9147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...c5 played twice.

  • @Leo_1162
    @Leo_1162 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like Done Host

  • @c2c001
    @c2c001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, 3...Bg7 is a mistake.
    Beyond 4.dxc5 which is preferable for white in comparison to a regular Sicilian the positional 4.d5 is better for white

    • @Tinil0
      @Tinil0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ...I'm having real trouble understanding how 3...Bg7 is a mistake instead of a sideline. What does it sacrifice bad enough to be considered a mistake by the third move?

    • @c2c001
      @c2c001 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tinil0 I honestly don’t know how else to put it but to fully answer your question I’ll need to write a small book and include a lot of analysis.
      On the other hand if I’ll give you a short answer it may not explain anything to you.
      I’ll try to sum it up but I don’t know if I I’ll be successful:
      First of all, my main point is the comparison between the three possible basic set-ups and their corresponding variations.
      Those being: 1) a regular Sicilian after 3…cxd4, 2) a Benoni style structure after 4.d5 and 3) 4.dxc5.
      1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7
      3) 4. dxc5 after 4… Qa5+ 5. c3 Qxc5 white is already doing amazingly well. Black’s queen had to move twice and is positioned directly where white can develop whilst further attacking it thus gaining time so even 6.Be3 is perfectly fine. The Bg7 is attacking granite because the c3-pawn is doing a good job. White has open lines everywhere and more space. This is a very simple case of white being better and black literally has zero “compensation”. Black has no tricky ideas, no counter attack, no initiative, nothing whatsoever.
      However, to demonstrate just how bad it can get let’s continue with 6.Na3! This seemingly innocuous move is actually amazingly tricky to meet. If black just wants to continue developing in normal Sicilian like manner whilst disallowing e4-e5 he may very well choose 6…d6 where we can immediately see why white is so much better (and in fact the computer engine already gives this position a +1) after the continuation 7.Nb5! (Threatening Be3) and here an idea variation to demonstrate my concept can be seen after 7… a6? 8. Be3 Qc6 9. Na7! (Another idea in the structure is 9. Ng5! axb5?? 10. Qb3 threatening both Qxf7+ as well as Bb5 1-0) 9... Qc7 10. Nxc8 Qxc8 11. Qb3 Nf6 12. e5 dxe5 13. Nxe5 O-O 14. Nxf7 Rxf7 15. Bc4 1-0
      2) 4.d5 for all pragmatic reasons makes playing the Sicilian defeating the very purpose. White kept the central duo, it will be harder for black to play Nc6, white has more space and most importantly this is a somewhat Benoni structure (Benoni: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 g6 4. Nc3 d6 5. e4 Bg7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. h3 a6 8. a4 Nbd7 9. Bd3) where white has been theoretically proven to be winning. So it could continue with: 4…d6 (4... Nf6 5. Nc3 with a favourable Pirc like / Modern like structure) 5. c4 trans-positioning back to a Benoni.
      In comparison to the two variations and their corresponding structures mentioned above, the normal Sicilian after:
      1) 3…cxd4 (which will result in an accelerated (hyper) dragon Sicilian) is simply far far far more beneficial to black. I’m not going to go into AD theory but the mere fact that black has a game and has counter play should be sufficient to understand why it was better.
      For instance, after 3… cxd4 4. Nxd4 (4. Qxd4 Nf6 5. e5 Nc6 where black has the usual Sicilian counter play) 4... Nf6 5. Nc3 (5. e5 Qa5+) 5... d6 and we’re back in Sicilian land.

    • @BRNRDNCK
      @BRNRDNCK ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@c2c001Bro all you needed was to give the refuting line for Bg7, this is too much info

    • @c2c001
      @c2c001 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BRNRDNCK Assuming you're being serious you have no idea how naive what you just said truly is. Rare is the occasion where anything has a simple, singular, one line only, refutation.

  • @justinlindfors8512
    @justinlindfors8512 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hubert roasted himself after losing to a computer. He was right but at what cost?

  • @Sagdog77
    @Sagdog77 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually found the winning move when jerry said only 1 move wins for the first time let’s goooo

  • @d3faulta
    @d3faulta ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sometime I just want to watch the game with minimal commentary and analysis

    • @michaelmassaro4375
      @michaelmassaro4375 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I felt Jerry did a Great Job with this one to the point

    • @trethekid
      @trethekid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can copy and paste the game notation and follow along yourself if you want…what’s the point of watching a chess account that breakdown the game, if you don’t want in depth commentary?

  • @ppal64
    @ppal64 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Computers can do anything. They are only limited by us. If they are failing at anything it’s not the computer’s fault. It’s our inability to write the correct instruction set.

  • @pwcrabb5766
    @pwcrabb5766 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Same content in half the time. Tempo!

  • @michaeledwards2251
    @michaeledwards2251 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no reason to disregard the notion, yet, machines are unable to play high quality chess, as their are own positions they cannot solve. The notion humans can play high quality chess can definitely regarded as false.

  • @di380
    @di380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Profesor Hubert was not wrong unfortunately he was just not a good enough human chess player😂

  • @jaycdp
    @jaycdp ปีที่แล้ว

    Still caspro and his student magnus rules.

  • @DAS_k1ishEe
    @DAS_k1ishEe ปีที่แล้ว

    13:40
    I though you cannot castle when the either the rock or King is threatened? blacks white bishop attacks h1.

    • @tomandband
      @tomandband ปีที่แล้ว

      only for king

    • @G102Y5568
      @G102Y5568 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can't castle if your king is in check, or your King has to pass through a square controlled by the Bishop. Nothing about the Rook.

    • @ifbfmto9338
      @ifbfmto9338 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only the king is relevant for that rule, not the rook

    • @JimBalter
      @JimBalter ปีที่แล้ว

      Why did you think that?

  • @bennya2846
    @bennya2846 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG ???? Please just make the moves and explain it, no need to start letting your mind wander into every possible move available, u could have done 3 games?..

    • @brilliantFlame
      @brilliantFlame ปีที่แล้ว +32

      the analysis is just perfect, what are you talking about?

    • @dodekaedius
      @dodekaedius ปีที่แล้ว +23

      pearls before swine...

    • @bdpv025
      @bdpv025 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Why are you complaining lower rated guy?

    • @TerriblyIronic9
      @TerriblyIronic9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hop off your soapbox please

    • @ArcaneTricksterRS
      @ArcaneTricksterRS ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Go play pac-man, kid.