Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
the most interesting thing will be the mixing of panels (if the leak is true). A Bravia 9 Mark 2 with either MiniLED or 4 stack OLED will create chaos.
Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
950 in September? That's closer to the release of LG's 2026 models than the 2025 models. At that point you can either get a G5 at a great discounted price or wait for the G6 that might feature HDMI 2.2 and a 240 Hz panel. Philips is way too late with their flagship.
@@ji8651If you're buying a 1500-2000$ TV, you might as well get one with the most futureproof I/O. It doesn't matter much for movies, but it's a considerable perk for gaming.
Disappointing to see they still use the old Pentonic 1000 Chip with only 2 x HDMI 2.1 without HDMI QMS-VRR and "just" 144 Hz VRR when everyone else upgrades their flagships with the newer Pentonic 800 Chip with 4 x HDMI 2.1 and 165 Hz VRR....
Not everyone, only Hisense confirmed the use of Pentonic 800, Philips and Panasonic confirmed the use of older SoCs, TCL and Sony didn't disclose that information yet.
I am guessing that the Pentonic 1000 has a better image processor, and the Pentonic 800 cut down the picture processor in order to make more room for upgrading the 2 HDMI 2.0 ports to 2.1 based on what I found on the marketing web pages for both the Pentonic 1000 and Pentonic 800 SoCs. Choosing the Pentonic 1000 over the Pentonic 800 makes sense for building movie and streaming focused TVs, while choosing the Pentonic 800 makes sense for building gaming focused TVs.
Pentonic 1000 is good enough when TV brand can bring great firmware with it. Some experts guess that Alpha 11 in G4 is renamed Pentonic 1000. And if you haven't seen three-dimensional image in G4 with enabled AI picture mode then you're mistaken about SOC capabilities.
@@koelme Alpha 11 cannot be a renamed Pentonic 1000 because it has 4 full speed HDMI 2.1 inputs. Pentonic 1000 has 2 full speed HDMI 2.1 ports and 2 HDMI 2.0 ports.
@@karlmalone11 C4 has limited viewing angles, even G4 shifts colours at 30 degrees depending on the panel uniformity that you happen to get. This behaviour is completely ignored in all reviews. The delta of this shifting is easily above 3. One journalist noted the 4 stack looks like MLA off axis and doesn't shift green like the C4.
@@badpuppy3what if it becomes available in 30 thousand years.? What then? How can you know it's never? What if its in 9 trillion years? Never is a long time, how can you say with certainty? Explain this to me
Strange way of going about it Philips. 4 sided ambilight a couple of years ago, get me interested, only to drop it last year & I'm out. Now it's back again 🤷 Audio is usually amongst the best, picture excellent, now get in the shops & price it right 👍
Is everything from 2:38 to 3:03 suggesting that Rec.709 would look better on an older TV designed to be used with Rec.709 sources than trying to play Rec.709 sources on a newer TV designed for DCI and BT.2020 sources?
Mapping a natively wide gamut display down to Rec. 709 gamut is not a problem for modern displays. Personally, I still prefer the “look” of SDR colors on plasma, but Rec 709 on a QD-OLED. The AI adaptive enhancer will simply boost the color saturation without making faces look like tomatoes or carrots.
@@SagaciousFrank That's only in a bright room. In a dim or dark room, you won't see any difference. QD-OLED doesn't have a polarizer, which is why the blacks look higher in a bright room.
@ There may be, but that's only if you watch the news all the time. I watch various content, so burn in is of no concern to me. Anyway, I haven't seen owners of the A95L complain about burn-in.
Are you aware that while we celebrate Panasonic return to the US market, it is presently only available as mail order via their own web site or via Amazon? What a bummer! Although I prefer the improvements they have made to their panel regarding cooling, I need to see it in-person before parting with hard earned cash. I was in contact with their sales reps who said they are trying to now to make inroads with brick and mortar retailers. They should have IMHO done that BEFORE entering at CES. What good is all the reviewer hype if it is only a mail order product in the United States?
Even Samsung doesn't use QD-OLED for all of their OLED TVs. I realize that Samsung Electronics and Samsung Display are different, and that Samsung Display doesn't make all the necessary panel sizes, but the fact that Samsung has a panel lottery between LG and Samsung panels in a single TV model is telling.
Yeah Samsung want most people to buy other tech , but if go OLED the WOLED as probably more profit and Samsung display can just focus on monitors . Sony paid a lot last , time , so why would you buy a Sony 77" for $1500 more than the S95F - It's not like Samsung processing is sitting still - add in panasonic player for DVD/Bluray upscales if want
@@nBasterd previous WOLEDs are way worse, indeed, because the white components washed out colours. But this time they changed the matrix significantly for much better colour gamut.
QD is a more accurate "color" brilliance vs simple "white" brightness with filters/etc., So the measurement obsession with white-brightness (NITS) misses the color brightness issue. However, seems that 4-layer is much brighter and also produces lower power consumption (the burnin prob with oled) This approach seems to preserve OLED life while good-enough colors?
@Deadleaus Look up color volume. Qd-OLED is superior. If you watch LG WOLED very low brightness, maybe similar, but turn up the brightness and the picture washes out. Its a fact they use a white LED ("W"OLED) to brighten the picture.
@@prospero11 correct. So better way to phrase it is that QD-OLED is/was more retaining of colour accuracy as the brightness went up but really only applicable for HDR. And now it seems, LG has nearly entirely caught up or is about to within the next 1-2 more generations whilst still using their WOLED.
Yes. Also the white subpixel has the unintended consequence of reducing burn in furthermore too thanks to reduction in dependence of core RGB sub-pixels for light which means sharing the load across 4 pixels vs 3, means roughly inherent 33% reduction in burn in rate/risk from WOLED versus RGB OLEDS (like QD-OLED). It’s kinda wild that LG got this fortunate benefit against QD-OLED that they totally didn’t realise and was not the reasoning behind why they went with WOLED in the first place. It was purely due to colour filter based RGB OLED being very bad for brightness. Ergo, they came up with the white 4th sub-pixel arrangement for their OLED back in the early years of the last decade. And they’ve perfected that ever since. It’s still has limitations and a purely RGB OLED with no additional white sub-pixel will be the future for LG for sure but there’s no rush/urgency for LG to get there. WOLED is not inhibiting them from competing with technically vastly superior QD-OLED at the market level. So no rush to make the complete ditch of WOLED just yet, but they will do eventually at some point in the future because that white sub-pixel has always just been a temporary solution to a temporary problem of OLED’s being dinner than is ideal but that is quickly and acceleratively turning out to not be the case with the innovatives happening by LG to fix this and technically we have Samsung Display to thank for that because of them bringing QD-OLED to market is what has caused that. Prior to QD-OLED, LG had literally ZERO competition in the OLED tv market for over a decade leading to them resting on the laurels with only say a modest 10% average year on year brightness increase (if even that). But then QD-OLED entered the seem and the average rate of brightness increase of at least LG’s flagship models (but that trickles down to the lower models in the following generations to be fair) has been more like 30-40% now which is a WILD jump in rate of improvement m. So, we really should be extremely grateful to Samsung Display for that and wishing them all the best as competition is what fuels innovation which is great for us the consumers!
Philips are so late releasing their top tier models we rarely see reviews of their TVs. The 2024 flagship announced in Jan 24 was on the high street in the UK in December, just when people are looking forward to CES 🤦
Will the 4 stack tandem OLED be available on all LG G5 model sizes? Or will it be reserved to specific sizes? I ask because I remember last year not all G4 models were available with MLA. The G4 98” model did not have MLA for example.
This really doesn't mean anything, Samsung has updated their qd-oled technology for 2025, and it will almost certainly still perform better than the new upcoming woleds.
@ I guess Samsung was expecting WOLED to go extinct due to Samsungs aggressive pricing, but the problem is, they had to recover the R&D costs. WOLED has been on the market so long that the R&D costs are iterative at this point.
@@madpistol There is another side of the problem, most consumers do not realize the superiority of QDO, so other companies can get away with releasing inferior products at ridiculous prices. Samsung Electronics refuses to spend on marketing to promote QDO, so you are stuck here.
Maybe… but it will be much dimmer at the last 10 years and even more dimmer the last 5 years. And maybe have some burn in… but it should work… It is organic material, so it has best before day.
Maybe LGs new panel is really cheap to make and has high production capacity. Easy to design for. Panasonic and Phillips may be buying it for those reasons.
If you skip Philips again in the TV shootout this year, I will be very disappointed. You have to do everything you can to get at least the OLED910 for comparison.
If Sony’s 2025 flagship OLED ditches QD-OLED and uses RGB Tandem like the G5 and Panasonic’s flagship, then QD-OLED is pretty much dead with only Samsung holding on.
Samsung ruined their own market in oled once they started partnering up with LG to release WOLED models and have pick and mix of WOLED and QDOLED S90D models around the world to the average consumer they don’t know the difference and that’s how Samsung operate
Apple being the first to show a stacked oled panel on iPad Pro last year and from someone that bought one. I can say it’s the best oled I have ever seen. So bright and hdr content is like no other screen I have ever seen. It beats my oled Sony tv hands down
The RGB tandem display is not at all related to this "RGB" tandem display. WOLED and QD-OLED have always been tandem displays, they are just marketing them this way now (probably because of Apple's marketing).
Philips were the only display producers to offer a full 32-inch JOLED monitor (True OLED with full RGB subpixel emitters) for less than £800, everyone else were selling the same panel for 4 grand or more.
I wonder what's the problem with QD-OLED quality control, margins, longevity, no idea. It seems like QD-OLED was hard to get from Samsung because they don't tell you which TV has QD-OLED or WOLED it's why I went with LG G4 I could only get the WOLED with Samsung
✋🏻Why can't they just 7-8 more layers ? Heat ? How many layers can they stack up more ? Next year they'll again add mla then year after another stack without mla .....
"Primary RGB OLED", anything to get around actually offering proper full RGB subpixel emission OLED, the next gen version will be called "Primary RGB but not really OLED", naughty of them.
Dont be fooled, the best picture quality available for consumers is the QD OLED panel, the only thing above that is micro led and that is out of the reach of most consumers.
it's not, here's what the judges from the shootout have to say about that: "As for the A95L, it was good and balanced at just about everything but not a standout. Anything it could do, the Samsung or LG matched or beat it. The Sony’s undefeatable auto dimming was annoying and relatively quick to take hold. We’re talking just a couple of minutes. The auto dimming is unacceptable to me and other judges felt similar. Sony needs to address this."
I do not like bright full white screens, like so many games and movies use for transitions. I watch in a dimly lit room with backlight, so I find it uncomfortable.
2:45 Why philips think that "picture style" represent source (SDR/HDR)? Maybe i don't care about settings and watching hdr content with default SDRish presets....
I’m sure they will ditch Samsung. LG reportedly offer much better pricing to the OEMs. Not to mention, LG needs to do that to keep OLED front and center as other tech continually threatens OLEDs future.
This really makes no sense to me. The better technology (QD-OLED) is available, and the cost isn’t much of a difference (as a matter of fact, most of the time, the QD-OLED will actually be cheaper, as long as you wait a few months, and don’t go buying the newest model on the day that it comes out), yet every TV manufacturer is essentially doubling down on the inferior technology. If all of the TV manufacturers were to jump on the QD-OLED train, the cost would go down even more, just simply due to volume. It’s as if every TV manufacturer (including Samsung now), is purposely setting out to make an inferior product. Why on earth would you ditch the newer and better technology, in favor of an older technology that isn’t as good?! Even Samsung, who has a QD-OLED TV, is even messing that up now, by using the matte finish screens. So now you can’t even buy their flagship QD-OLED if you want a nice picture. Instead, you have to buy the QD-OLED that’s one tier down, in order to get the glossy display. There are just so many bad decisions being made right now in the TV space. Which is why companies such as TCL and Hisense, keep grabbing up more and more of the market share, year after year!
QD-OLED is more expensive to make than WOLED and there are yield issues which trickle down to the supply chain and cause supply issues, further worsening the case for QD-OLED. These issues are what cause telly manufacturers to find other cheaper and more readily available alternatives like LGs WOLED.
I thought I heard that Samsung was going to start using the matte finish for their entire line now so you can't even avoid it with Samsung anymore. To me this is a deal breaker from buying any Samsung TVs in the future.
Much todo about nothing. The consumer retail brands are all run by the same executive bozos. Who jump ship from one retail brand to the next always chasing a new yearly lineup of junk.
When the hell is someone going to give us a 240hz input?! Why must TVs lag so far behind monitors in terms of tech, and why must EVERYTHING use these gawdawful mediatek chipsets?!
Would Sony have both. QD OLED 3rd gen and 4 stack WOLED. Then it would be interesting. Also comps between 77" Samsung QD Oled vs 83" 4 stack WOLED from Samsung.
@@shawman5676 Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
@@bigcdub Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
WOLED was always the leading technology in the basis of its design. QD-OLED, or rather Samsung single handedly, only tried to fix the peak brightness being low with a temporary workaround by combining basically a LCD style backlight with OLED technology, but that was never the end goal not for OLED as a base technology as it still had to mature.
@mathburn1 Nope, check the 4th gen WOLED slide again as it says RGB pure light sources; so not filtered. Meaning they finally are able to control the OLED qualty in all the 4 light source spectrums (White, Red, Green, Blue) well enough that the qualty and intensity of all of them are equal or near equal enough for a good picture.
@@LogiForce86 You're misunderstanding. That RGB stack is basically a pixel-level backlight to generate white color. This time since they're using RGB as a stack to generate white they get purer white that's why they get more color gamut coverage as well. Despite all this they still need color filters.
I don't like LGB display is cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap and they take expensive expensive expensive the color are not like I like SONY RGBW the organelle no digital analog the best of the best I don't need to do analog to digital digital analog is 💯% color I know like filter is killed the nature color
@ LG G4 was considered the worse tv, Out of the QD-OLED, This man trying to argue a outdated technology vs a better technology. Just because you update a 2010, it will never look better or drive better than an updated 2025 car. Plus a lot of these people don’t reviews tv obviously don’t know what they are talking about, it called a hustle. You also have those people in the gaming community. Vincent doesn’t even know how to calibrate his tv thus his opinion becomes irrelevant because he isn’t maxing out the potential of the tv. I stop watching him long ago. Watching him he will deceive you to buy a OLED an outdated technology.
Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
0:55
Meaning?
@@gamerss7797 RIP Sony QD-OLED.
@@gamerss7797 He’s giving a not so subtle hint that Sony is abandoning QD-OLED as well
the most interesting thing will be the mixing of panels (if the leak is true). A Bravia 9 Mark 2 with either MiniLED or 4 stack OLED will create chaos.
Thanks Vincent! I'm thankful for all the research you do, it helps me stay easily informed on all the new TV updates in an entertaining way!
Can't wait to see what Sony ends up doing
Is the current Sony OLED A95 a 4 stack type OLED??
Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
@@highdefnewslol good 1!
Their plan is to give you only 2 hdmi 2.1 ports at 120hz and charge you more for it.
Farting
Awesome, as always, Vincent. Much appreciated.
950 in September? That's closer to the release of LG's 2026 models than the 2025 models. At that point you can either get a G5 at a great discounted price or wait for the G6 that might feature HDMI 2.2 and a 240 Hz panel. Philips is way too late with their flagship.
Why would you even want HDMI 2.2, only reason I see is the LIP feature. Otherwise how is 4K 120HZ/144HZ not enough for 99% of use cases right now lol
@@ji8651If you're buying a 1500-2000$ TV, you might as well get one with the most futureproof I/O. It doesn't matter much for movies, but it's a considerable perk for gaming.
@@ji8651the difference in motion clarity from 144hz to 240hz is night and day
I wonder what we’ll see first:
1. LG/Samsung top oled tv with 4 hdmi2.2
2. A Sony/ Panasonic/ Philips top oled with 4 hdmi 2.1
Disappointing to see they still use the old Pentonic 1000 Chip with only 2 x HDMI 2.1 without HDMI QMS-VRR and "just" 144 Hz VRR when everyone else upgrades their flagships with the newer Pentonic 800 Chip with 4 x HDMI 2.1 and 165 Hz VRR....
Not everyone, only Hisense confirmed the use of Pentonic 800, Philips and Panasonic confirmed the use of older SoCs, TCL and Sony didn't disclose that information yet.
This could’ve been the perfect tv for me if they used the 800.
I am guessing that the Pentonic 1000 has a better image processor, and the Pentonic 800 cut down the picture processor in order to make more room for upgrading the 2 HDMI 2.0 ports to 2.1 based on what I found on the marketing web pages for both the Pentonic 1000 and Pentonic 800 SoCs. Choosing the Pentonic 1000 over the Pentonic 800 makes sense for building movie and streaming focused TVs, while choosing the Pentonic 800 makes sense for building gaming focused TVs.
Pentonic 1000 is good enough when TV brand can bring great firmware with it. Some experts guess that Alpha 11 in G4 is renamed Pentonic 1000. And if you haven't seen three-dimensional image in G4 with enabled AI picture mode then you're mistaken about SOC capabilities.
@@koelme Alpha 11 cannot be a renamed Pentonic 1000 because it has 4 full speed HDMI 2.1 inputs. Pentonic 1000 has 2 full speed HDMI 2.1 ports and 2 HDMI 2.0 ports.
We ever going to see a 42" TWOLED? Would love one as a monitor.
Pretty sure it's possible. Ipads do it
What are the viewing angles like on the new 4 stack panels compared to MLA OLEDs?
Won't be as good as MLA, it will be the same as regular WOLED, which is still fine because the viewing angles are extremely good anyways
@@karlmalone11
C4 has limited viewing angles, even G4 shifts colours at 30 degrees depending on the panel uniformity that you happen to get. This behaviour is completely ignored in all reviews. The delta of this shifting is easily above 3. One journalist noted the 4 stack looks like MLA off axis and doesn't shift green like the C4.
QD OLED better viewing angles 👌
Will be better than mla and qd oled
When these new panels will be available in monitors?
never
@@badpuppy3what if it becomes available in 30 thousand years.? What then? How can you know it's never? What if its in 9 trillion years? Never is a long time, how can you say with certainty? Explain this to me
Monitors maybe by end of year this year few Dell Laptops will have tandem oleds display.
Strange way of going about it Philips. 4 sided ambilight a couple of years ago, get me interested, only to drop it last year & I'm out. Now it's back again 🤷
Audio is usually amongst the best, picture excellent, now get in the shops & price it right 👍
950 looks 😍😍😍
SOON ONLY NOT YET 👏
Is everything from 2:38 to 3:03 suggesting that Rec.709 would look better on an older TV designed to be used with Rec.709 sources than trying to play Rec.709 sources on a newer TV designed for DCI and BT.2020 sources?
Mapping a natively wide gamut display down to Rec. 709 gamut is not a problem for modern displays. Personally, I still prefer the “look” of SDR colors on plasma, but Rec 709 on a QD-OLED. The AI adaptive enhancer will simply boost the color saturation without making faces look like tomatoes or carrots.
I hope this is much better cause I really like qd oled
no, its a downgrade. right how nothing touches QD tech, no-one has anywhere near the color quality
@@keving5235blacks are worse on QD-OLED against both WOLED and the new RGB-OLED.
@@SagaciousFrank That's only in a bright room. In a dim or dark room, you won't see any difference. QD-OLED doesn't have a polarizer, which is why the blacks look higher in a bright room.
@@spartan2188 except for Sony who used a proprietary double heat sink for the A95L, isn't there more potential for burn-in with QD-OLED?
@ There may be, but that's only if you watch the news all the time. I watch various content, so burn in is of no concern to me. Anyway, I haven't seen owners of the A95L complain about burn-in.
Are you aware that while we celebrate Panasonic return to the US market, it is presently only available as mail order via their own web site or via Amazon? What a bummer! Although I prefer the improvements they have made to their panel regarding cooling, I need to see it in-person before parting with hard earned cash. I was in contact with their sales reps who said they are trying to now to make inroads with brick and mortar retailers. They should have IMHO done that BEFORE entering at CES. What good is all the reviewer hype if it is only a mail order product in the United States?
Can’t decide if I should wait and get 4stack oled tv or qd oled monitor for mix of games and 4k blu ray
Even Samsung doesn't use QD-OLED for all of their OLED TVs. I realize that Samsung Electronics and Samsung Display are different, and that Samsung Display doesn't make all the necessary panel sizes, but the fact that Samsung has a panel lottery between LG and Samsung panels in a single TV model is telling.
Yeah Samsung want most people to buy other tech , but if go OLED the WOLED as probably more profit and Samsung display can just focus on monitors . Sony paid a lot last , time , so why would you buy a Sony 77" for $1500 more than the S95F - It's not like Samsung processing is sitting still - add in panasonic player for DVD/Bluray upscales if want
As someone who has had both techs in my living room at the same time, you cant convince me to get a w-oled again.
@@nBasterdnew WOLEDs are much better now, though, hence the increased competition from those panels.
@tatianaes3354 i have the c1 and c3. The s90c qd-oled looked so much better..
@@nBasterd previous WOLEDs are way worse, indeed, because the white components washed out colours. But this time they changed the matrix significantly for much better colour gamut.
QD is a more accurate "color" brilliance vs simple "white" brightness with filters/etc., So the measurement obsession with white-brightness (NITS) misses the color brightness issue. However, seems that 4-layer is much brighter and also produces lower power consumption (the burnin prob with oled) This approach seems to preserve OLED life while good-enough colors?
QD was never more color accurate!
@Deadleaus Look up color volume. Qd-OLED is superior. If you watch LG WOLED very low brightness, maybe similar, but turn up the brightness and the picture washes out. Its a fact they use a white LED ("W"OLED) to brighten the picture.
@
That’s a lie and you know it. A typical Qd Fangirl lie. The G4 won literally every review over the QD.
@@prospero11 correct. So better way to phrase it is that QD-OLED is/was more retaining of colour accuracy as the brightness went up but really only applicable for HDR. And now it seems, LG has nearly entirely caught up or is about to within the next 1-2 more generations whilst still using their WOLED.
Yes. Also the white subpixel has the unintended consequence of reducing burn in furthermore too thanks to reduction in dependence of core RGB sub-pixels for light which means sharing the load across 4 pixels vs 3, means roughly inherent 33% reduction in burn in rate/risk from WOLED versus RGB OLEDS (like QD-OLED). It’s kinda wild that LG got this fortunate benefit against QD-OLED that they totally didn’t realise and was not the reasoning behind why they went with WOLED in the first place. It was purely due to colour filter based RGB OLED being very bad for brightness. Ergo, they came up with the white 4th sub-pixel arrangement for their OLED back in the early years of the last decade. And they’ve perfected that ever since. It’s still has limitations and a purely RGB OLED with no additional white sub-pixel will be the future for LG for sure but there’s no rush/urgency for LG to get there. WOLED is not inhibiting them from competing with technically vastly superior QD-OLED at the market level. So no rush to make the complete ditch of WOLED just yet, but they will do eventually at some point in the future because that white sub-pixel has always just been a temporary solution to a temporary problem of OLED’s being dinner than is ideal but that is quickly and acceleratively turning out to not be the case with the innovatives happening by LG to fix this and technically we have Samsung Display to thank for that because of them bringing QD-OLED to market is what has caused that. Prior to QD-OLED, LG had literally ZERO competition in the OLED tv market for over a decade leading to them resting on the laurels with only say a modest 10% average year on year brightness increase (if even that). But then QD-OLED entered the seem and the average rate of brightness increase of at least LG’s flagship models (but that trickles down to the lower models in the following generations to be fair) has been more like 30-40% now which is a WILD jump in rate of improvement m. So, we really should be extremely grateful to Samsung Display for that and wishing them all the best as competition is what fuels innovation which is great for us the consumers!
more news coming-- Soon Only Not Yet....S-O-N-Y
Philips are so late releasing their top tier models we rarely see reviews of their TVs. The 2024 flagship announced in Jan 24 was on the high street in the UK in December, just when people are looking forward to CES 🤦
Will the 4 stack tandem OLED be available on all LG G5 model sizes? Or will it be reserved to specific sizes? I ask because I remember last year not all G4 models were available with MLA. The G4 98” model did not have MLA for example.
All G5 are tandem oled
Only 55-83
Tough choice no?
LG G5, Panasonic Z95B or this Phillips?
so it means 350 nits full screen OLED monitors coming this year?
No… oled monitors allways has less nits, they don`t want to replase burned monitors!
350nits full screen is so good
Ipad pro can do 1000 nits full screen but obviously it's a small screen
Ha ha , no it's not.
@@randomchannel323
No its 480nit
Does this mean LG G5 sub pixel layout is RGB with crispy text quality?
Big Quantum ain't gonna be pleased with these news
He is a big Clown 😂
This really doesn't mean anything, Samsung has updated their qd-oled technology for 2025, and it will almost certainly still perform better than the new upcoming woleds.
Been waiting for tandem RGB for my next upgrade. Can’t wait for these.
LG needs trickle down this tech to 42" TV and I will get it as a monitor.
That is why they don`t do it!
They want to sell you $3000 32” monitor instead… or 42” crap TV…
Glad i got the s95d❤
I guess any OLED is better than nOLED
What’s wrong with QD OLED? I don’t get it.
Expensive to produce because of limited production lines. They focus on monitors because of higher margin.
There is nothing wrong with it, it's just too expensive.
@@jkairi4
There is so much wrong with it. Lifted colors, heavy burn in problems, not accurate colors, fringing around letters and so on.
@Deadleaus Enjoy your washed out WOLED.
Clearly didn't even watch the video or listen
it's sure hard to persuade regular customers that you need pitch black enviroment for the perfect black that oled is marketed for :)))
Philips are the one to watch. Sleeker and Ambilight. I prefer them over LG & Samsung
I can't wait for you guys to get the new 2025 TV's to actually review. You can only rehash the old CES news so many times.
Now to see what Sony decides. At the end of the day it will depend on wether Samsung or LG will give Sony better pricing.
I’m excited to see Sonys tandem oled… but qd oled is still superior
So just like that, QD-OLED is on the way out? Very interesting...
Since Samsung makes the panel, it could become a Samsung exclusive because no other mfg will want to pay for it.
@ I guess Samsung was expecting WOLED to go extinct due to Samsungs aggressive pricing, but the problem is, they had to recover the R&D costs. WOLED has been on the market so long that the R&D costs are iterative at this point.
@@madpistol
There is another side of the problem, most consumers do not realize the superiority of QDO, so other companies can get away with releasing inferior products at ridiculous prices. Samsung Electronics refuses to spend on marketing to promote QDO, so you are stuck here.
@@Chuck--
Let them and their crappy products go to hell
Let the fools pay $3000 for crap oled
@ by the sound of it, LG has closed the gap with their latest iteration.
As a retail stock manager, we just stopped selling Philips TVs. The amount of RMA's, DOA's and low lifespans have been insane the past years.
Silly question but if I'm getting a TV that I will likely keep for say 15 years, will an OLED TV last that long?
Maybe… but it will be much dimmer at the last 10 years and even more dimmer the last 5 years.
And maybe have some burn in… but it should work…
It is organic material, so it has best before day.
Maybe LGs new panel is really cheap to make and has high production capacity. Easy to design for. Panasonic and Phillips may be buying it for those reasons.
Have Phillips ever use a Qd-Oled-display? They are using LG‘s Woled-displays for years…
If you skip Philips again in the TV shootout this year, I will be very disappointed. You have to do everything you can to get at least the OLED910 for comparison.
Blame Philips for releasing in so late in the year for consecutive years.
If Sony’s 2025 flagship OLED ditches QD-OLED and uses RGB Tandem like the G5 and Panasonic’s flagship, then QD-OLED is pretty much dead with only Samsung holding on.
Samsung ruined their own market in oled once they started partnering up with LG to release WOLED models and have pick and mix of WOLED and QDOLED S90D models around the world to the average consumer they don’t know the difference and that’s how Samsung operate
@@falsehope5529nope the average person interested in oled is just picking the cheapest oled and that’s the c series and not even the latest version
@falsehope5529 QD-OLED isn't really affordable for many consumers. That's why WOLED is still around.
they can make more money selling woled trash, including samsung
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk
You mean QD-Oled trash for sure. 😂
I can't wait for Philips to massively overprice these TVs for what they offer in comparison to the competition, as always.
Apple being the first to show a stacked oled panel on iPad Pro last year and from someone that bought one. I can say it’s the best oled I have ever seen. So bright and hdr content is like no other screen I have ever seen. It beats my oled Sony tv hands down
OMG the Apple Tandem display has nothing in common with the new LG tandem display. Even if the apple tandem is produced by LG!
Actually Honor was first to market with tandem display.
The RGB tandem display is not at all related to this "RGB" tandem display. WOLED and QD-OLED have always been tandem displays, they are just marketing them this way now (probably because of Apple's marketing).
Questin. Why do you skip Philips TV in every year ranking for best TV?
Obviously Vincent will have to work more on reviewing Philips TVs, at last
Philips were the only display producers to offer a full 32-inch JOLED monitor (True OLED with full RGB subpixel emitters) for less than £800, everyone else were selling the same panel for 4 grand or more.
Wich Samsung tv should I buy? S95D for $1800 or wait for S95F for $3000?
Both
Neither. It's a Samsung.
I wonder what's the problem with QD-OLED quality control, margins, longevity, no idea. It seems like QD-OLED was hard to get from Samsung because they don't tell you which TV has QD-OLED or WOLED it's why I went with LG G4 I could only get the WOLED with Samsung
Will you be at ISE2025 next week
✋🏻Why can't they just 7-8 more layers ? Heat ?
How many layers can they stack up more ? Next year they'll again add mla then year after another stack without mla .....
The more layers… the more expensive.
Very engaged monologue…
review oled 910
This guy is a tv gangster
"Primary RGB OLED", anything to get around actually offering proper full RGB subpixel emission OLED, the next gen version will be called "Primary RGB but not really OLED", naughty of them.
Dont be fooled, the best picture quality available for consumers is the QD OLED panel, the only thing above that is micro led and that is out of the reach of most consumers.
doesn't matter if it's the best, if you're forced to use it with a matte screen it's not worth it, it makes the TV look like an office monitor.
I still think the Sony A95K/L is the pinnacle of OLED TVs :(
Even though its successor the A95L beats it? 🤔😅
it's not, here's what the judges from the shootout have to say about that: "As for the A95L, it was good and balanced at just about everything but not a standout. Anything it could do, the Samsung or LG matched or beat it. The Sony’s undefeatable auto dimming was annoying and relatively quick to take hold. We’re talking just a couple of minutes. The auto dimming is unacceptable to me and other judges felt similar. Sony needs to address this."
I do not like bright full white screens, like so many games and movies use for transitions.
I watch in a dimly lit room with backlight, so I find it uncomfortable.
The end of QD-OLED for TVs. We barely knew ye.
No kidding huh
the end for monitors too?
Nah monitors likely staying
I couldn't afford it anyways lol
Bye ye
ambilight should definitely be standard.
We need to see RGB Mini-LED from other brands!
WTF you said QDOLED was the best 6 months ago! now its RGB-WOLED? When can we have LSD OLED, or PCP OLED +MDNA, or ZOLED THC
Still the best. Just not enough profit in the technology. It’s too expensive to produce
Yeah… better… people just chose by cost!
2:45 Why philips think that "picture style" represent source (SDR/HDR)?
Maybe i don't care about settings and watching hdr content with default SDRish presets....
I’m sure they will ditch Samsung. LG reportedly offer much better pricing to the OEMs. Not to mention, LG needs to do that to keep OLED front and center as other tech continually threatens OLEDs future.
Philips always backed up LG's panels, no matter the technology.
Why don't you upload HDR versions of the comparison videos so those with burn-my-eye displays can see more realistically?
naming scheme is again pure insanity
This really makes no sense to me. The better technology (QD-OLED) is available, and the cost isn’t much of a difference (as a matter of fact, most of the time, the QD-OLED will actually be cheaper, as long as you wait a few months, and don’t go buying the newest model on the day that it comes out), yet every TV manufacturer is essentially doubling down on the inferior technology.
If all of the TV manufacturers were to jump on the QD-OLED train, the cost would go down even more, just simply due to volume. It’s as if every TV manufacturer (including Samsung now), is purposely setting out to make an inferior product.
Why on earth would you ditch the newer and better technology, in favor of an older technology that isn’t as good?! Even Samsung, who has a QD-OLED TV, is even messing that up now, by using the matte finish screens. So now you can’t even buy their flagship QD-OLED if you want a nice picture. Instead, you have to buy the QD-OLED that’s one tier down, in order to get the glossy display.
There are just so many bad decisions being made right now in the TV space. Which is why companies such as TCL and Hisense, keep grabbing up more and more of the market share, year after year!
QD-OLED is more expensive to make than WOLED and there are yield issues which trickle down to the supply chain and cause supply issues, further worsening the case for QD-OLED. These issues are what cause telly manufacturers to find other cheaper and more readily available alternatives like LGs WOLED.
I thought I heard that Samsung was going to start using the matte finish for their entire line now so you can't even avoid it with Samsung anymore. To me this is a deal breaker from buying any Samsung TVs in the future.
I want this in the US because of Google TV, so I can have another choice over Sony which is the only brand that does OLED with Google TV in the US.
Just get a Walmart $40 onn pro, instead of using an underpowered TV version that will stop getting update’s in a few years
I always feel like HDTV is a "little" bias here but hey, it is how it is.
But I thought Sony was ditching OLED
I have both right now, and it’s not that big a difference.
Makes no sense, QD-Oled is the better tech, unless the 4 stack is cheaper to produce.
QD-Oled never was the better tech my little Fanboy. 😂
@Deadleaus
It's a fact it's better, QD-Oled has better color volume and wider color gamut compared to the outdated WOLED.
@Deadleausapparently you never heard of a little tv called the A95L. Yes QD-OLED destroyed W-OLED.
@@jonathane5675
Yes. But oversaturated unnatural colors. Burn in problems and so on. My little QD Fanboy. 😂
@@JFinns
Muahahaha 😂
The 2 year old Sony was some of the worst tv I tested. With unnatural colors.
You are a little bs fanboy?
their reliability is clearly bad and brands are fed up.
Much todo about nothing.
The consumer retail brands are all run by the same executive bozos. Who jump ship from one retail brand to the next always chasing a new yearly lineup of junk.
Phillips equals EU 🗑 garbage
FOLED is way better!!! 😉
And Sony will be #4
Sony what will you d?
they will probably bail on QD-OLED just like everybody else did except Samsung.
can that oled tv last for 10 years ?
Can you use capital letters ? ?
Still have a C7 lol
When the hell is someone going to give us a 240hz input?! Why must TVs lag so far behind monitors in terms of tech, and why must EVERYTHING use these gawdawful mediatek chipsets?!
Who else even make TV chipsets? Aka sell them outside and not just use them themselves…
It is practically a monopoly.
no 83", dont care...
And only 1 Gorrilian dollars.
This video is just an advertisement for Philips. 😡
So normal representaatio of one manufacturers upcoming product…
We allready did get those for Panasonic, SAMSUNG and LG… now waiting Same for Sony.
I, for one, will be holding until the the tandem QD OLEDs with MLA are available. Step up gatekeepers.
QD-Oled is top emissive, MLA would have little to no effect.
Would Sony have both. QD OLED 3rd gen and 4 stack WOLED. Then it would be interesting. Also comps between 77" Samsung QD Oled vs 83" 4 stack WOLED from Samsung.
@@shawman5676 Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
Doesn’t make business sense to have two flagship oleds
@@falsehope5529 you do if you want 83" flagship OLED.
Qd-oled >>> woled
You are dreaming little fanboy!
See this click bait title works better when you don't do it 24+ hours after everyone announced Phillips yesterday
not sure why he keeps making weird titles like "GOTCH YA!"
no one shunned anything. they pick a technology based on many reasons.
This is going to be devastating when Sony releases the new B10 QD-Oled…
All the rumors I’ve seen is them abandoning it as well
It'll be their last QD-OLED
@@walidhannaoui1802Definitely a rumor, they still have a contract with Samsung for QD-Oled panels that doesn’t expire for another 2 years…
There will be NO new Sony QD-OLED. Accept it.
@@bigcdub Vincent literally spelled out Sony’s plan in this video. He said he expects the trend of brands abandoning QD-OLED to continue & then said more on this Soon Only Not Yet with the first letter of each word spelling SONY 😂
Bravia 9 with a better LCD panel and more zones or an entirely new RGB backlight system? I'm not interested in any OLED tech.
LCD is trash compared to OLED
@fidelisitor8953 OLED is for gaming and dark room viewing. Anything else its advantages disappear.
I am still happy with my legend q95t qled lol
Imma wait on Sony and then imma buy `either 77 or 83 g5 or Sonys whatever
Wtf is imma?
You finna buy whatever
@@rudrakshrai4637 wtf is this? Some kind of mystery language?
Philips suck. Ambilight sucks too.
I never liked QD-OLED.
Did I just wasted money getting the G4?
Yes.....
No, better tv than 99% of houses enjoy its great
Are you happy with it? Was it an upgrade?
I mean it’s still solid dw
Have it professionally calibrated and you will be dialed in. Other than the Z95A, the G4 would have been my choice if i went shopping last year.
Sony chose the wrong side again. Hope the new LG panel will not create burn marks fast like Samsung's QD OLED panels.
WOLED was always the leading technology in the basis of its design. QD-OLED, or rather Samsung single handedly, only tried to fix the peak brightness being low with a temporary workaround by combining basically a LCD style backlight with OLED technology, but that was never the end goal not for OLED as a base technology as it still had to mature.
What? Actually WOLED is closer to LCD than QDOLED as WOLED is still using color filters unlike QDOLED that uses QD to generate RG colors.
@mathburn1 Nope, check the 4th gen WOLED slide again as it says RGB pure light sources; so not filtered. Meaning they finally are able to control the OLED qualty in all the 4 light source spectrums (White, Red, Green, Blue) well enough that the qualty and intensity of all of them are equal or near equal enough for a good picture.
@@LogiForce86 You're misunderstanding. That RGB stack is basically a pixel-level backlight to generate white color. This time since they're using RGB as a stack to generate white they get purer white that's why they get more color gamut coverage as well. Despite all this they still need color filters.
Those who Bashed LG not using QD oled 😂😅Now they know✅
I don't like LGB display is cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap and they take expensive expensive expensive the color are not like I like SONY RGBW the organelle no digital analog the best of the best I don't need to do analog to digital digital analog is 💯% color I know like filter is killed the nature color
shree ..
It’s still OLED, QD-OLED is better don’t know why you trying to sell an outdated product. Oled will never be better period.
Muahahaha 😂
People who think woled is better havent compared them, especially in HDR.
The difference is huge.
@
You are a liar! Look at the G4 reviews. The G4 nearly won every review. People like you have no clue about what they are talking about.
@ LG G4 was considered the worse tv, Out of the QD-OLED, This man trying to argue a outdated technology vs a better technology. Just because you update a 2010, it will never look better or drive better than an updated 2025 car. Plus a lot of these people don’t reviews tv obviously don’t know what they are talking about, it called a hustle. You also have those people in the gaming community. Vincent doesn’t even know how to calibrate his tv thus his opinion becomes irrelevant because he isn’t maxing out the potential of the tv. I stop watching him long ago. Watching him he will deceive you to buy a OLED an outdated technology.