In a nutshell, that's pretty much it! The impact of the dynamic metadata found in HDR10+ and Dolby Vision is greater on low-end displays since budget models don't come close to matching the capabilities of a mastering monitor, and your TV needs to try to fit the parameters of the content you're watching within its capabilities. With higher-end TVs that have similar capabilities as a mastering monitor, the dynamic metadata doesn't make nearly as big of a difference.
On my projector, XGIMI Horizon Ultra, the results match nearly exactly what you see on the cheap TV. Dolby Vision looks notably better than the generic 'HDR' setting. It's pretty dramatic.
I have tvs and a projector with a hundred inch screen, I watch new movies on it, love it. Picture not quite as good as hdr on my tvs, but the big screen is great and reminds me of the movie theaters. I can not understand why someone would get a tv bigger than 77 inches when projectors can be more portable and screens much bigger. I would not want to try to move 85in, 98in or 115in tvs around. Projector images are great if you buy a decent one, same as tvs. If you buy a 98in budget brand cheap tv, you are better off with a good projector. In my humble opinion.
@@charlesmyers8150 When I bought that projector last year, it was to replace a much older projector I have in a theater room. I thought about going with a large TV since you will get better black levels and brightness, but I have the same issue as yourself - TVs just don't look like what you get when you go to theaters. After reading a bunch on it, I finally found why - it's direct lighting vs indirect lighting. On a huge 100" TV screen, being direct lit means it causes a lot more eye strain at that size - where as the reflective lighting of a theater screen isn't as harsh, and it gives you that authentic theater look as a bonus. A lot of it depends on your lightning though, my theater room is a dark room, with dark painted walls, black carpet, black ceiling - so it can get very dark and a TV would frankly be a bad match. But for the average person, just getting something for a living room, a TV is likely the better solution since it can get so much brighter (at least good TVs) to deal with all the ambient lighting. A good compromise however are those ultra short throw projectors that you put under a screen, meant for living rooms - those tend to be very bright since they're much closer, and screens can be directional to better bounce light and reject ambient lighting.
That's part of the reason TV's with DV won't go wit HDR10+. You can get HDR10+ effects by hitting your tone mapping button on your TV - if it has one. You will only see the option on an HDR10 source.
This was the $64 question, nobody else talked about! Glad this popped up on my feed! I gotta give you two thumbs up that! Excellent description and visuals! This channel is one of only four that I keep up with!
Its also worth noting on Kaleidescape it shows the file sizes for Dolby Vision and HDR10. Just picking Mad Max Furiosa as an example, Dolby Vision is 5.3GB larger than the HDR10 version - thats a lot of data! I can't say what it would be for HDR10+ as there aren't many movies finished in this format.
Honestly, if I'm paying multiple thousands of dollars for a TV, it better support all of the formats. Yes, they have to pay a couple dollars for a DV chip, but on a TV that expensive, they can afford the "hit".
You guys should really start testing in all formats to see if the TVs are consistent across HDR10/+/DV. I remember the U8G had a terrible EOTF for HDR, but upon detecting a DV signal it would start tracking the EOTF a lot more accurately. I always wanted to know how did that affect the Rec2020 color gamut and volume, contrast, and peak brightness.
HDR can be great when it's graded properly, but that's not always the case. Lately I've seen some series and movies where after comparing the SDR and HDR variants I've ended up preferring SDR. A recent example is Silo, I could barely see anything with brightness at 100, yet in SDR I saw objects and details I didn't even know were there that add to the atmosphere a lot. The advantage of SDR is that it's a lot more consistent and easier to watch in any environemnt (dim or very bright)... and this was with an LG G4.
You had to dig into the setting to adjust whyte levels, tone mapping, etc. - for EACH input and for EACH type of content - TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K BD, USB movies, EACH streaming service AND for EACH HDR format! After the proper adjustments get made, you should never have any issues. However, I would highly recommend buying a Hisense or TCL to get the FULL experience! I guarantee that you will NEVER go back - until LG, Samsung and Sony match or exceeds their quality and specs.
@@HardCold-Alquan I always try to watch HDR in film maker mode. If that is too dim I switch to cinema mode which raises the overall brightness with a more aggresive form of dynamic tonemapping, but for some type of content not even this fixes it. The last resort would be to search for the SDR variant or use an external dynamic tonemapping algorithm such as madvr or mpv, but you'd expect not to need that on a high end OLED tv in 2025.
@ The only film that was too dark no matter what, was Eternals. That was dark from Disney and was horrible to watch. Even though my TV - Hisense U8K, could brighten it up, it was at the expense of everything else.
For as much as these new tv’s cost I need all the bells and whistles I like the picture quality of the Samsung but it doesn’t support Dolby vision and that can be a deal breaker for me
Most are on Amazon, but their streaming usually looks like streaming. i only saw one HDR10+, and I don't know if it was great or not, but I got joy just seeing that the TV detected it. Truth be told, as long as your TV has a tone mapping button on it - THAT is your HDR10+!
The format the content is delivered in doesn't have any effect on the color. Its purely changes in tone mapping, and any difference you see visually is from the display calibration for each mode. Visually they should be identical if each mode is properly calibrated, aside from base HDR10 highlights and luminance depending on where the roll off point is set and how aggressive it is.
Great video!!! Can you also answer if it is true or not that disneyplus and netflix limits their streaming quality to 720p on pc even if you have the 4k plan and 4k monitor?
Great comparison of HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision! I liked how you showed their performance across different TV tiers, really highlighting how each format can enhance the viewing experience depending on the display. On the topic of broadcast HDR, Fox uses HLG HDR for its live sports broadcasts, but they only broadcast in HD and upconvert to 4K for the viewing experience. Meanwhile, NBC did use 4K cameras for select events during the Olympics, providing 4K HDR coverage through streaming on Peacock, with HDR10 used for 4K HDR content. Some content was also available on USA Network in native 4K HDR. For traditional over-the-air broadcast, NBC still upconverted to 4K from HD and used HLG HDR. Additionally, Sinclair has already been using Advanced HDR by Technicolor as part of the ATSC 3.0 rollout. This new broadcast standard is bringing even higher-quality HDR to over-the-air TV, which could greatly enhance live sports and other programming in the future. It would be great if you could dive deeper into how different networks are using HDR in live sports broadcasts and the challenges they face in adopting new technologies like native 4K HDR.
I really dislike these proprietary standards like dolby vision and atmos where every device in the chain has to support it. I can rip 4k blu rays to mkv including the dynamic metadata but nothing can play it back with dolby vision. I can use dolby atmos for spatial sound on my pc, but it doesn't work for dolby d+ or truehd tracks that have atmos metadata, and also doesn't work with any streaming music services.
Netflix here in Brazil had dv. In 2022 they took it off to save money and we pay like any other place. At first a lot people complained, now everybody is ok with hdr10. Im not saying its right ehat netflix did, but most people cant say the difference and they were paying to somwthing that not adds to most people. Now what i cant understand in this netflix case, and im really asking, why thry didnt invest on hdr10+ once is free just like hdr10?
Good choice, I have a Sony bravia 7 and a Samsung s90c qdoled. I would not buy a Samsung miniled until they do better, I returned a 2024 Samsung qn90c for the Sony bravia 7, big difference, bravia 7 is much better. The 2025 qn90d needs to be professionally calibrated.
I have a Samsung QN90B TV wich supports HDR10+, but when I try to watch an "HDR10+" tagged movie on Amazon Prime Video, it only displays it on normal HDR10... There are very few exceptions in which cases the HDR10+ works, and the interface of my TV guarantees it is using that mode (for example: Fallout), but 99.99% of any movie or series explicitly showing **it should use HDR10+** doesn't work at all, no matter what I do.
Even if I only have 1080p SDR displays, I found this video to be super useful! I kinda hope every display will switch to some kind of HDR soon. Does HDR even accomodate with sub-4K displays? Let's be honest: 1080p displays will still be on the market for a while....
Amazing content-thank you! However, I’d love to see at least one comparison with SDR to determine whether the oversaturation in Dolby Vision is exaggerated or intentional. Losing detail in dark scenes is frustrating, but I guess that issue is mostly limited to budget TVs. If you’re opting for at least an upper-mid-range model, it shouldn’t be a problem. I always thought Dolby Vision was known for its producer intended colors, but now I understand it’s the case. I thought Samsung is the brand associated with elevated vibrancy(fake colors). Now that I know Dolby Vision uses different metadata-supposedly with a higher bitrate-I’ll stick with Dolby Vision and simply adjust the vibrancy a bit.
Does cost matter if a TV has high level specs? Just because a TV costs more does not make it better. A Bentley costs more than an S-Class or an A6 - does that mean that the Bentley is better, or is it priced to those who can and are willing to pay?
you can't play a dolby vision source, it's not possible. If you have a 4k bluray, you will use the HDR10 metadata that is also on the disc. sometimes HDR10+, but its less common. The video file is exactly the same, only the metadata changes. on streaming, whatever app you are using will not even offer dolby vision versions if it can't confirm your screen supports it. it'll either be HDR10 or HDR10+ depending on the service. If you go and get an actual dolby vision file from, err, other sources, and play it, you'll quickly see it plays, but is in no way watchable, unless that file also contains more than one set of metadata, which is pretty common nowadays.
Yep. I've been arguing for years with people online who always try to talk crap about Samsung not supporting DV. The results found in this video reflect EXACTLY what I always tell people. That the benefits of DV depend entirely on which TV you have. But they continue to complain simply because it isn't there. Even though it doesn't matter
Could you guys do a video on hdr when it comes to gaming? There are many people who claim that DTM needs to be turned off for gaming if the tv doesn't have HGIG support, but these same people will tell Somy tv owners to turn DTM on to gradation preferred. I guess the question would be, are tvs still tone mapping for games even when DTM is off, and why is it that Sony is the only brand that everyone says needs to have DTM turned on for gaming? Thanks!
From my experience of owning Tvs from Sony, Samsung, LG, Hisense and TCL over the last 10 years i notice the only company that does HDR on par with Dolby Vision if not better than Dolby vision is Sony every other TV is better with Dolby vision imo "if the TV have the ability to display good dolby vision" but Sony's dynamic tone mapping is so good for HDR movies that you get a brighter picture without raise black level and the same accurate colors as dolby vision so its my preferred choice for watching movies even tho dolby vision look amazing at times its slightly darker at times
I have a Samsung s90c qd oled and a Sony bravia 7 and they are both excellent in hdr. The contrast and colors in hdr10+ on the Samsung qdoled are more saturated and do pop more , but the Bravia 7 dolby vision is great too, very bright specular highlights and colors. The Sony xr cognitive processor makes the picture look fantastic.
Recently picked up a TCL Q6 from 2024 at best buy during the holiday sales I like the TV a lot but when I use HDR and Dolby vision it's pretty dark compared to when in sdr, in sdr it's a lot more brighter and looks better which is unfortunate because I would like to take advantage of HDR and Dolby vision.
@ Some brands call it something else. Usually when you watch a 4K film with HDR10, there willbe a tone mapping button. That is the cure all. Outside of that, you have to dig deep into whyte balance, contrast types and other things to manipulate it to get it right.
@@HardCold-Alquan yeah I adjusted the black levels I got it to look right to me but still noticeably darker in HDR and Dolby vision compared to sdr it still looks really good
I'm curious if Windows AutoHDR aids in any of that non encoded content. I really hate W11 right now because it doesn't play well at all with the game I want to play right now(Path of Exile 2); same GPU and drivers but on an older W10 machine I've had zero crashes. The biggest downside to me with Dolby vision is I have to manually toggle it in the settings of my Sony 4k blu ray player. Could have paid more for one that did it automatically but spending 800 on the LG B4 48" and then about 200 on the blu ray player was plenty enough for me already. Guess this content isn't really as much for me, I don't ever use the built in OS ever, just my PC or my Blu ray player. It's all better for me since I went from a 1440P 27" monitor (TN panel I think), to a 4K 48" OLED TV. The thing I hate about the TV is that somehow it keeps re-enabling the Trumotion setting; utterly horrendous. It sets it to "Natural" which look the complete opposite of natural.
Testing on my LG G4 and with a Panasonic UB9000 I honestly preferred standard HDR most of the time as Dolby Vision simply is way to to dark and colours looks lifeless at times 😬
So, if over saturation on the colours can be adjusted for in the picture settings, presumably by decreasing the colour setting, why can't people raise the colour settings if they are under saturated, to make them look better?
On 4k blu-rays the Dolby Vision version is actually a larger file size of approximately 5-10%. This is masked as a single file size though but if you look at kaleidascape you'll see that the DV version takes up more space
@@TopG-1991 there is no separate dolby vision file. there is a video file, then there is dolby vision metadata, and HDR10 metadata. its the same video file for both. on streaming, the file sizes are almost identical, and the difference in file size is for reasons other than bitrate. the bitrate on streaming is the same. just like it is on 4k blurays
I prefer hdr10+ like way more. Im not saying dv is bad, the specification are better, but my eyes tell me that hdr10+ is my favorite. I remember i had an pnasonic fz950 oled that was hdr1p and hdr10+ and all the internet was saying how better dv was and i gave it to my brother and got an lg c1 and dv was worse, ib mybopinion, than hdr10+. Today i have a s90d and the c1 and i the opinion remains. Now i want to get a hisense u8n that have all hdr and if i can choose to watch ill always hoose hdr10+. Oh, i just remembered, i have a xbox series x and it has dolby vision and i turn it off on my c1 because it was too dark, it works on hdr10 and its way better. MY OPINION, MY TASTE.
Stop with the "personal preference". What was the creators intent? It's moronic how the TVs today can't do this though calibration. Also, these 4K and 8K plus Dolby Vision and HDR+ TVs are meaningless. .003% of signals that go to a TV are in any of these formats. I'd prefer a much better upscaling 4K TV or a 1080i TV that just 1:1 the best. Gaming is different and a 3000K TV should never have games played on it
I'd like to see this comparison done with Mini-LED TV's that can really take advantage of the higher brightness capabilities of HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, like the Hisense UX and TCL QM8.
The Sony bravia 7 to me is better than those. The xr cognitive processor makes a big difference, even when the TCL qm8 and Hisense UX have better brightness and contrast.
I really hate HDR. I always had bad experiences when I watched them. Only some of the HDR promotional videos were good, this technology is terrible in movies.
yes even entry level sony tvs looks fade and dim in front of budget hisense and tcl tvs in my sony tv hdr contents looks very dim and colorless and when i try to increase brightness and contrast it used to clip the bright parts of the image
This was a biased video. They called the BETTER TV's the 'lower -end' TV's, and they act shocked that those TV's allow the viewer to actually SEE the difference between HDR formats! They also called Hisense and TCL 'cheap' TV's - which is highly subjective and biased. If they had been talking about Sony or Samsung, they would have called them 'less expensive' or 'more affordable.' Instead, they used language to make the viewer think that these brands are inferior to LG, Samsung and Sony - when they are actually SUPERIOR in MOST aspects! The reason Hisense and TCL can actually show the differences between HDR formats - is because they are BETTER TV's! They have higher brightness and OLED-like blaks. In other words, these TV's do what Sony, LG and Samsung CANNOT do - which is to show HDR10 as it actual is to full spec, and it makes Dolby Vision actually look noticeable because they are higher spec'd than Sony, LG or Samsung, sets that CANNOT show you the DV difference, because the specs will not allow them to! If you don't want to wait another decade to see HDR as it SHOULD look natively - then go get either of the two top models from Hisense or TCL! If you want to keep waiting, hoping and wasting money - go with the other brands. All I know is, I have had my Hisense U8K for around 2 years and my jaw is STILL on the floor every time I throw a movie in! When I watch a movie from the 70's - for almost any source, I feel as if I am on the set of the movie! I never got that with LG or Sony.
So it doesn't really matter on higher end tv's but budget tv's get a bigger boost.
In a nutshell, that's pretty much it! The impact of the dynamic metadata found in HDR10+ and Dolby Vision is greater on low-end displays since budget models don't come close to matching the capabilities of a mastering monitor, and your TV needs to try to fit the parameters of the content you're watching within its capabilities. With higher-end TVs that have similar capabilities as a mastering monitor, the dynamic metadata doesn't make nearly as big of a difference.
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Why does everyone neglect to mention apple TV uses HDR10+
On my projector, XGIMI Horizon Ultra, the results match nearly exactly what you see on the cheap TV. Dolby Vision looks notably better than the generic 'HDR' setting. It's pretty dramatic.
I have tvs and a projector with a hundred inch screen, I watch new movies on it, love it. Picture not quite as good as hdr on my tvs, but the big screen is great and reminds me of the movie theaters.
I can not understand why someone would get a tv bigger than 77 inches when projectors can be more portable and screens much bigger. I would not want to try to move 85in, 98in or 115in tvs around. Projector images are great if you buy a decent one, same as tvs.
If you buy a 98in budget brand cheap tv, you are better off with a good projector.
In my humble opinion.
@@charlesmyers8150 When I bought that projector last year, it was to replace a much older projector I have in a theater room. I thought about going with a large TV since you will get better black levels and brightness, but I have the same issue as yourself - TVs just don't look like what you get when you go to theaters. After reading a bunch on it, I finally found why - it's direct lighting vs indirect lighting. On a huge 100" TV screen, being direct lit means it causes a lot more eye strain at that size - where as the reflective lighting of a theater screen isn't as harsh, and it gives you that authentic theater look as a bonus. A lot of it depends on your lightning though, my theater room is a dark room, with dark painted walls, black carpet, black ceiling - so it can get very dark and a TV would frankly be a bad match. But for the average person, just getting something for a living room, a TV is likely the better solution since it can get so much brighter (at least good TVs) to deal with all the ambient lighting. A good compromise however are those ultra short throw projectors that you put under a screen, meant for living rooms - those tend to be very bright since they're much closer, and screens can be directional to better bounce light and reject ambient lighting.
I wish Dolby would drop their license fee. Dolby all the things!
Dolby vision definitely isn’t worth paying extra for
That's part of the reason TV's with DV won't go wit HDR10+. You can get HDR10+ effects by hitting your tone mapping button on your TV - if it has one. You will only see the option on an HDR10 source.
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Best true comparison video I've seen yet. Well done!
This was the $64 question, nobody else talked about! Glad this popped up on my feed! I gotta give you two thumbs up that! Excellent description and visuals! This channel is one of only four that I keep up with!
Its also worth noting on Kaleidescape it shows the file sizes for Dolby Vision and HDR10. Just picking Mad Max Furiosa as an example, Dolby Vision is 5.3GB larger than the HDR10 version - thats a lot of data!
I can't say what it would be for HDR10+ as there aren't many movies finished in this format.
Honestly, if I'm paying multiple thousands of dollars for a TV, it better support all of the formats. Yes, they have to pay a couple dollars for a DV chip, but on a TV that expensive, they can afford the "hit".
You guys should really start testing in all formats to see if the TVs are consistent across HDR10/+/DV. I remember the U8G had a terrible EOTF for HDR, but upon detecting a DV signal it would start tracking the EOTF a lot more accurately.
I always wanted to know how did that affect the Rec2020 color gamut and volume, contrast, and peak brightness.
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HDR can be great when it's graded properly, but that's not always the case. Lately I've seen some series and movies where after comparing the SDR and HDR variants I've ended up preferring SDR. A recent example is Silo, I could barely see anything with brightness at 100, yet in SDR I saw objects and details I didn't even know were there that add to the atmosphere a lot. The advantage of SDR is that it's a lot more consistent and easier to watch in any environemnt (dim or very bright)... and this was with an LG G4.
Now you're talking. same happens to me and I was thinking my TV was defective. Thanks for the tip.
You had to dig into the setting to adjust whyte levels, tone mapping, etc. - for EACH input and for EACH type of content - TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K BD, USB movies, EACH streaming service AND for EACH HDR format! After the proper adjustments get made, you should never have any issues. However, I would highly recommend buying a Hisense or TCL to get the FULL experience! I guarantee that you will NEVER go back - until LG, Samsung and Sony match or exceeds their quality and specs.
@@HardCold-Alquan I always try to watch HDR in film maker mode. If that is too dim I switch to cinema mode which raises the overall brightness with a more aggresive form of dynamic tonemapping, but for some type of content not even this fixes it. The last resort would be to search for the SDR variant or use an external dynamic tonemapping algorithm such as madvr or mpv, but you'd expect not to need that on a high end OLED tv in 2025.
Silo is simply unwatchable in HDR.
@ The only film that was too dark no matter what, was Eternals. That was dark from Disney and was horrible to watch. Even though my TV - Hisense U8K, could brighten it up, it was at the expense of everything else.
For as much as these new tv’s cost I need all the bells and whistles I like the picture quality of the Samsung but it doesn’t support Dolby vision and that can be a deal breaker for me
We hear you! It's part of why we decided to create this video 😄
Great content as usual and as expected keep
Up the good work guys ❤
The Xbox series x supports Dolby vision gaming
I'm a LG-Lover so I'm automatically a Dolby Vision Lover also.
I am a little sad this wasn't filmed in HDR
I was thinking the same
There's barely any 4K Bluray movies with HDR10+...
Most are on Amazon, but their streaming usually looks like streaming. i only saw one HDR10+, and I don't know if it was great or not, but I got joy just seeing that the TV detected it. Truth be told, as long as your TV has a tone mapping button on it - THAT is your HDR10+!
There seems to be a more Dolby Vision content than HDR10+. Samsung TVs will not support Dolby Vision though
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The format the content is delivered in doesn't have any effect on the color. Its purely changes in tone mapping, and any difference you see visually is from the display calibration for each mode. Visually they should be identical if each mode is properly calibrated, aside from base HDR10 highlights and luminance depending on where the roll off point is set and how aggressive it is.
Great video!!! Can you also answer if it is true or not that disneyplus and netflix limits their streaming quality to 720p on pc even if you have the 4k plan and 4k monitor?
Great content as always and great edits!
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Great comparison of HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision! I liked how you showed their performance across different TV tiers, really highlighting how each format can enhance the viewing experience depending on the display.
On the topic of broadcast HDR, Fox uses HLG HDR for its live sports broadcasts, but they only broadcast in HD and upconvert to 4K for the viewing experience. Meanwhile, NBC did use 4K cameras for select events during the Olympics, providing 4K HDR coverage through streaming on Peacock, with HDR10 used for 4K HDR content. Some content was also available on USA Network in native 4K HDR. For traditional over-the-air broadcast, NBC still upconverted to 4K from HD and used HLG HDR.
Additionally, Sinclair has already been using Advanced HDR by Technicolor as part of the ATSC 3.0 rollout. This new broadcast standard is bringing even higher-quality HDR to over-the-air TV, which could greatly enhance live sports and other programming in the future.
It would be great if you could dive deeper into how different networks are using HDR in live sports broadcasts and the challenges they face in adopting new technologies like native 4K HDR.
I really dislike these proprietary standards like dolby vision and atmos where every device in the chain has to support it. I can rip 4k blu rays to mkv including the dynamic metadata but nothing can play it back with dolby vision. I can use dolby atmos for spatial sound on my pc, but it doesn't work for dolby d+ or truehd tracks that have atmos metadata, and also doesn't work with any streaming music services.
just like fps in video games the creator doesn’t care to properly optimize the content. hdr has been an afterthought for years.
Netflix here in Brazil had dv. In 2022 they took it off to save money and we pay like any other place. At first a lot people complained, now everybody is ok with hdr10. Im not saying its right ehat netflix did, but most people cant say the difference and they were paying to somwthing that not adds to most people. Now what i cant understand in this netflix case, and im really asking, why thry didnt invest on hdr10+ once is free just like hdr10?
Which Dolby picture mode was used on the G4?
My Sony has Dolby vision. My projector doesn’t. Both work well.
Mario Bros in HDR on S95C and Filmmaker mode is something else. Those colours
Omg I was literally searching a video about this on this channel this morning
Just what i was expecting, glad went with the bravia 7 over the qn90d given our preferences - thanks a ton for the fun information!
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Good choice, I have a Sony bravia 7 and a Samsung s90c qdoled.
I would not buy a Samsung miniled until they do better, I returned a 2024 Samsung qn90c for the Sony bravia 7, big difference, bravia 7 is much better.
The 2025 qn90d needs to be professionally calibrated.
Would have been great if this video would have been in HDR.
Why y'all don't do reviews on projectors?
Could you please include what type of Ethernet ports are included on TVs, i.e. 100Mb, 1Gb or 10Gb?
I have a Samsung QN90B TV wich supports HDR10+, but when I try to watch an "HDR10+" tagged movie on Amazon Prime Video, it only displays it on normal HDR10...
There are very few exceptions in which cases the HDR10+ works, and the interface of my TV guarantees it is using that mode (for example: Fallout), but 99.99% of any movie or series explicitly showing **it should use HDR10+** doesn't work at all, no matter what I do.
Even if I only have 1080p SDR displays, I found this video to be super useful! I kinda hope every display will switch to some kind of HDR soon. Does HDR even accomodate with sub-4K displays? Let's be honest: 1080p displays will still be on the market for a while....
Amazing content-thank you! However, I’d love to see at least one comparison with SDR to determine whether the oversaturation in Dolby Vision is exaggerated or intentional.
Losing detail in dark scenes is frustrating, but I guess that issue is mostly limited to budget TVs. If you’re opting for at least an upper-mid-range model, it shouldn’t be a problem. I always thought Dolby Vision was known for its producer intended colors, but now I understand it’s the case. I thought Samsung is the brand associated with elevated vibrancy(fake colors).
Now that I know Dolby Vision uses different metadata-supposedly with a higher bitrate-I’ll stick with Dolby Vision and simply adjust the vibrancy a bit.
Does cost matter if a TV has high level specs? Just because a TV costs more does not make it better. A Bentley costs more than an S-Class or an A6 - does that mean that the Bentley is better, or is it priced to those who can and are willing to pay?
Correction: DV is not available on Amazon Prime unless you pay and extra $3 (USD)
She totally mentions clearly it's only offered in premium tier subscriptions of the streaming services.
What I don't understand is why most 4K TVs fail to have a refresh rate divisible by 24.
Because all content is not divisible by 24.
@@HardCold-Alquan Virtually all film is.
most modern tv have variable refresh rates so it doesn't really matter.
@ All content is not film.
Literally don't know a single 4k TV to which that applies to. You can divide 120 with 24.
But what about Dolby vision source on a Samsung TV? Is it converted to HDR 10+ or SDR?
you can't play a dolby vision source, it's not possible. If you have a 4k bluray, you will use the HDR10 metadata that is also on the disc. sometimes HDR10+, but its less common. The video file is exactly the same, only the metadata changes. on streaming, whatever app you are using will not even offer dolby vision versions if it can't confirm your screen supports it. it'll either be HDR10 or HDR10+ depending on the service. If you go and get an actual dolby vision file from, err, other sources, and play it, you'll quickly see it plays, but is in no way watchable, unless that file also contains more than one set of metadata, which is pretty common nowadays.
It goes automatically to hdr10.
I just wish Samsung get on board of Dolby Vision instead of starting a HDR format war. I like S90D but the lack of DV stopped me from buying it.
And people still bash Samsung oleds for only having hdr10+ 🤦♂️
Yep. I've been arguing for years with people online who always try to talk crap about Samsung not supporting DV. The results found in this video reflect EXACTLY what I always tell people. That the benefits of DV depend entirely on which TV you have. But they continue to complain simply because it isn't there. Even though it doesn't matter
Could you guys do a video on hdr when it comes to gaming? There are many people who claim that DTM needs to be turned off for gaming if the tv doesn't have HGIG support, but these same people will tell Somy tv owners to turn DTM on to gradation preferred. I guess the question would be, are tvs still tone mapping for games even when DTM is off, and why is it that Sony is the only brand that everyone says needs to have DTM turned on for gaming? Thanks!
From my experience of owning Tvs from Sony, Samsung, LG, Hisense and TCL over the last 10 years i notice the only company that does HDR on par with Dolby Vision if not better than Dolby vision is Sony every other TV is better with Dolby vision imo "if the TV have the ability to display good dolby vision" but Sony's dynamic tone mapping is so good for HDR movies that you get a brighter picture without raise black level and the same accurate colors as dolby vision so its my preferred choice for watching movies even tho dolby vision look amazing at times its slightly darker at times
"Hi I'm Abby from The Last Of Us Part 2" 😎
I have a Samsung s90c qd oled and a Sony bravia 7 and they are both excellent in hdr. The contrast and colors in hdr10+ on the Samsung qdoled are more saturated and do pop more , but the Bravia 7 dolby vision is great too, very bright specular highlights and colors. The Sony xr cognitive processor makes the picture look fantastic.
I can't see the difference with my own photo comparisons
Doesn’t matter, my TV has all of them…
Love dolby vision content, it looks better than normal 4k content
Tv is set to dolby vision filmmaker mode or cinema(during the day)
Recently picked up a TCL Q6 from 2024 at best buy during the holiday sales I like the TV a lot but when I use HDR and Dolby vision it's pretty dark compared to when in sdr, in sdr it's a lot more brighter and looks better which is unfortunate because I would like to take advantage of HDR and Dolby vision.
Turn on the tone mapping.
@HardCold-Alquan no option for that it doesn't look bad it's just a bit too dark
@ Some brands call it something else. Usually when you watch a 4K film with HDR10, there willbe a tone mapping button. That is the cure all. Outside of that, you have to dig deep into whyte balance, contrast types and other things to manipulate it to get it right.
@@HardCold-Alquan yeah I adjusted the black levels I got it to look right to me but still noticeably darker in HDR and Dolby vision compared to sdr it still looks really good
Most content is DV and its better than normal hdr10 so I still dont see the issue unless you're a die hard Samsung qd oled fan.
I'm curious if Windows AutoHDR aids in any of that non encoded content. I really hate W11 right now because it doesn't play well at all with the game I want to play right now(Path of Exile 2); same GPU and drivers but on an older W10 machine I've had zero crashes.
The biggest downside to me with Dolby vision is I have to manually toggle it in the settings of my Sony 4k blu ray player. Could have paid more for one that did it automatically but spending 800 on the LG B4 48" and then about 200 on the blu ray player was plenty enough for me already.
Guess this content isn't really as much for me, I don't ever use the built in OS ever, just my PC or my Blu ray player. It's all better for me since I went from a 1440P 27" monitor (TN panel I think), to a 4K 48" OLED TV.
The thing I hate about the TV is that somehow it keeps re-enabling the Trumotion setting; utterly horrendous. It sets it to "Natural" which look the complete opposite of natural.
Dolby vision all the way🎉
Testing on my LG G4 and with a Panasonic UB9000 I honestly preferred standard HDR most of the time as Dolby Vision simply is way to to dark and colours looks lifeless at times 😬
It’s only good if 4k dvd’s would be true 4k with hdr+ contents with a good transfer not fake
So, if over saturation on the colours can be adjusted for in the picture settings, presumably by decreasing the colour setting, why can't people raise the colour settings if they are under saturated, to make them look better?
the claim about dolby vision streams having a higher bitrate is just not true.
On 4k blu-rays the Dolby Vision version is actually a larger file size of approximately 5-10%. This is masked as a single file size though but if you look at kaleidascape you'll see that the DV version takes up more space
@@TopG-1991 there is no separate dolby vision file. there is a video file, then there is dolby vision metadata, and HDR10 metadata. its the same video file for both. on streaming, the file sizes are almost identical, and the difference in file size is for reasons other than bitrate. the bitrate on streaming is the same. just like it is on 4k blurays
Standard HDR 10 on a QD-OLED looks better than Dolby vision on a WOLED or MLA due to QD-oled wider colour gamat.
I prefer hdr10+ like way more. Im not saying dv is bad, the specification are better, but my eyes tell me that hdr10+ is my favorite. I remember i had an pnasonic fz950 oled that was hdr1p and hdr10+ and all the internet was saying how better dv was and i gave it to my brother and got an lg c1 and dv was worse, ib mybopinion, than hdr10+. Today i have a s90d and the c1 and i the opinion remains. Now i want to get a hisense u8n that have all hdr and if i can choose to watch ill always hoose hdr10+. Oh, i just remembered, i have a xbox series x and it has dolby vision and i turn it off on my c1 because it was too dark, it works on hdr10 and its way better. MY OPINION, MY TASTE.
How nit picky does a person need to be?
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DV is buggy and overrated. HDR 10+ is clear and underrated.
So fed up with the "As intended by". Just let me watch my TV as I wish.
You can, but it could be like watching the KC Chiefs wear orange instead of red!
wow everything is white background, shirt, please think of the OLED display users
Stop with the "personal preference". What was the creators intent? It's moronic how the TVs today can't do this though calibration. Also, these 4K and 8K plus Dolby Vision and HDR+ TVs are meaningless. .003% of signals that go to a TV are in any of these formats. I'd prefer a much better upscaling 4K TV or a 1080i TV that just 1:1 the best. Gaming is different and a 3000K TV should never have games played on it
I don’t like Dolby AT All !!!!! Super finicky .
I'd like to see this comparison done with Mini-LED TV's that can really take advantage of the higher brightness capabilities of HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, like the Hisense UX and TCL QM8.
The Sony bravia 7 to me is better than those. The xr cognitive processor makes a big difference, even when the TCL qm8 and Hisense UX have better brightness and contrast.
Even HDR 10 can hit 10 000 nits...
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If you are gonna be regretting watching Rings of Power anyway, does it really matter?
Hdr10+ better than DV
HDR10 is much better than Dolby Vision…
Sure dude
Couldn’t care less if Dolby vision went away but I do enjoy HDR10 and 10+. Dolby vision shouldn’t cost extra that’s for sure
I really hate HDR. I always had bad experiences when I watched them. Only some of the HDR promotional videos were good, this technology is terrible in movies.
you obviously have a terrible TV or don't have HDR turned on , HDR is the biggest upgrade by far with modern TV and movies
yes even entry level sony tvs looks fade and dim in front of budget hisense and tcl tvs in my sony tv hdr contents looks very dim and colorless and when i try to increase brightness and contrast it used to clip the bright parts of the image
@ With HDR, the colors will often be wrong, they are full of errors, no matter what TV you watch it on.
This was a biased video. They called the BETTER TV's the 'lower -end' TV's, and they act shocked that those TV's allow the viewer to actually SEE the difference between HDR formats! They also called Hisense and TCL 'cheap' TV's - which is highly subjective and biased. If they had been talking about Sony or Samsung, they would have called them 'less expensive' or 'more affordable.' Instead, they used language to make the viewer think that these brands are inferior to LG, Samsung and Sony - when they are actually SUPERIOR in MOST aspects!
The reason Hisense and TCL can actually show the differences between HDR formats - is because they are BETTER TV's! They have higher brightness and OLED-like blaks. In other words, these TV's do what Sony, LG and Samsung CANNOT do - which is to show HDR10 as it actual is to full spec, and it makes Dolby Vision actually look noticeable because they are higher spec'd than Sony, LG or Samsung, sets that CANNOT show you the DV difference, because the specs will not allow them to!
If you don't want to wait another decade to see HDR as it SHOULD look natively - then go get either of the two top models from Hisense or TCL! If you want to keep waiting, hoping and wasting money - go with the other brands. All I know is, I have had my Hisense U8K for around 2 years and my jaw is STILL on the floor every time I throw a movie in! When I watch a movie from the 70's - for almost any source, I feel as if I am on the set of the movie! I never got that with LG or Sony.