Rugby's GOAT Showdown - Dan Carter or Dupont? | The Breakdown
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- The Breakdown discusses the upcoming Rugby Championship matches, focusing on the All Blacks' challenges against Argentina and Australia, and a heated debate about what defines rugby greatness. #breakdown
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Sorry to say DP cannot be mentioned with DC in the same sentence ...
You're exaggerating. Dupont is probably the most talented player rugby has ever known, you'd have to be blind not to notice. But it's at the end of his career that we'll be able to make a full assessment.
@@andremaube5069 .. my point excactly - he still has a long way to go - yes he is talented but not at the level DC.
@@andremaube5069dc is the most talented rugby player of all time stop with the recency bias 🤦🏽
@@andremaube5069Respectful. I don't think he is exaggerating....
Cullen and Rupeni are better too
Why does no one talk about World Rugby Player of the year titles when we have this discussion?? You would never say a soccer player who has only won one ballon d’or is the GOAT. Du pont has won ONE World Rugby Player of the year. One. Carter has 3, McCaw has 3…conversation over. That’s literally what the award is for…best player in the world.
but then again the ballon d'or doesn't have the best record in terms of giving it to the players who actually deserve it. But i get what you're saying. Carter and mccaw are levels above the rest. the WR Player of the year has a lot more validity than ballon d'or.
This is not a relevant parameter. Dupont should have won the 2020 IRB title (which was not awarded) and he richly deserved it in 2022 and 2023 (but the IRB wanted to reward players from other nations).
@@andremaube5069 That is your opinion. I don’t think he deserved it at all in 2022 and 2023…and not did World Rugby. They don’t just hand it out because they want to reward other players…if they did then why did they give it to Carter 3 times? Why McCaw 3 times? Why Barrett twice? Van de flier was better in 2022 and ardie in 2023. Etzebeth and PSDT were both better than him in 2023 too, so he wasn’t even close.
@@dcs4880 found the saffa hater
@@dcs4880 never seen more of a Hater comment than this, Where is Van Der Flier today ? nowhere near his 2022 form, Dupont deserved 2022 by a mile, you're just a hater because Dupont isn't from your country, pathetic
Du Pont is a great player but he would have to achieve a lot more to be in Carter's (or McCaw's) league. The Carter/McCaw All Blacks were absolutely dominant for at least a decade like few teams in any sports and they were the stand out players in those teams. Not hating on Dupont but it is far too early to compare him to Carter. Fyi am a South African so hopefully relatively objective on this : )
Carter and Maccaw had the chance to play in the most dominant team in the world... it's easier to win a World Cup with the All Blacks than with France.
But the World Cup is the only title Dupont hasn't won (aged 27), so he still has a chance in 2027.
@@andremaube5069the population of France is over 10 times that of the AB. The excuse to use the AB as a dominant team when they one of the smallest nations is an absolute joke. DC is levels and will always be levels ahead of pretty much any rugby player. According to population ratio France should be pushing out 12 DP to NZ 1 Carter.
As a saffa we always to be the best at rugby yet we happy to accept Carter being the greatest player to take the field.
@@mitch2924 Kudos for NZ to pull it put in such scenario, but on any team sport in the history of the World it doesn't work that way, meaning lots of population = oustanding at sports, it helps to have more population, but it isn't as important as people sometimes think.
Tradition, consistency and competition are the keys for such achievments, having 4 million people or 200 million.
And at the end of the day, the thing it's that NZ always managed to produce outstanding players and outstanding teams with better chances to win the WC, decade after decaded, even if France it's also a Power Hosue that underdelivered in times, NZ has managed to create better teams consitently than any other Nation in this sport (winning or not).
@@mitch2924 So if I follow your drift, the US should be winning every world cup because they have 5 times the population of France and 90 times that of NZ?
@@johnnyguitar6697 well if you look at the sports they put all their money into ie. basketball, baseball, American football I can guarantee you they would if there were world cups. Look at the Olympics - since basketball went professional in 1996 the USA have won every men’s final gold, 8 times in a row - 32 years of one winner.
I’m assuming the fact you following my drift this isn’t to hard to understand
I really don’t think you can name the GOAT of rugby. Every position requires a complete different skill set. You can only name the best in each position, in my opinion.
Agreed.
Here's what this Frenchman, who has been watching a lot of rugby over the past 35 years would have to say on this Dupont / Carter debate: until Dupont came along, Carter was easily the best player I had seen on a rugby pitch. He was the complete package. Dupont is technically, and in terms of rugby IQ, as good as Carter was, but the difference is that he sits down forwards 30kg heavier than him and jackals balls at the breakdown, which Carter couldn't do. Winning the RWC is not a fair assessment on a player's ability: Carter was playing in much better AB's teams than Dupont's French teams (at least to this day).
I don't like using the term GOAT because of positional advantages. 10s that are part of legendary teams automatically get catapulted into great flyhalves even if fundamentally there are better flyhalves. Whereas a fantastic tight head prop silently goes under the radar.
For me there are different categories of player:
These are the criteria to judge them on:
-Top 3 in their position at the time
-Highly influential in every team they play for
-Elevated the image of the game in their country/globally.
1. Icon: If you have all 3 criteria filled.
2. Legend: 2/3 criteria filled
3. Great: 1/3 criteria filled
4. Baller: Someone that played an entertaining brand but not quite had the consistency overtime
Examples of players:
1. Dan Carter, Richie McCaw, Antione Dupont
2. Fourie du Preez, Johnny Sexton, Owen Farrell, Eben Etzebeth
3. Will Genia, Sergio Parisse, Siya Kolisi
4. Carlos Spencer, Teddy Thomas, Quade Cooper
Answer the question, Dan carter or DuPont
The GOAT is Bismarck du Plessis for tackling so good and hard that he got carded cos lil Carter boi got hurt
Kiwis getting very touchy and angry at this.😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Bro what has he done compared to Dan Carter? What a stupid question.
He ain't even top 10.
Here’s another hater
@@antoneverbrightdude took half his career to wind up. He’s average af
Real question ? Dupont is only 27 years old. The only trophy he lacks is the World Cup. Put respect to his name.
(And it's easier to win a World Cup when you play for the All Blacks than when you play for France).
@@jamiebloxham777 you’re just hating, winning a WC with France has nothing to do with winning it with NZ or SA. Both of these teams are so ridiculously reffed in these matches that they have lost all my respect.
@@andremaube5069and easier is an understatement, especially when you look at the historical H2H between NZ and France or between NZ and anyone else for that matter.
World Cup winners medals = Goat status. Ask Messi
Until Dupont wins a WC, Carter is still the GOAT
Only correct GOAT answers are DC or Richie
The point of being the GOAT is that any casual viewer will see their highlights package and know the person in question is awesome. Think Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Tiger Woods, Lionel Messi. People who don't watch their respective sports and no knowledge of the games will just know that they're good from seeing their highlights. Now tell me do you really think the same can be said for a non rugby viewer watching McCaw's highlights? They wouldn't know what's going on. That disqualifies him from being the GOAT. That leaves Carter. But to me, Dupont is a better all round rugby player. Carter played 10 better than anybody else. Dupont however does everything. He even jackals for the ball at ruck time and is defensively sound. That is on top of doing what 9 ought to do, very well. Dupont is already the GOAT but at the end of his career, it will no longer be a debate.
@@SamWhite-no6dd The argument about highlights doesn't fully capture the essence of what makes someone the GOAT in rugby. I could show someone Israel Folau highlights and tell them he’s the GOAT. Rugby is a complex, multifaceted sport where the true measure of greatness lies beyond the flashy moments.
Richie McCaw's greatness isn't just in highlight reels but in his consistent, game-changing presence. His leadership, tactical intelligence, and ability to dominate the breakdown are crucial elements that might not be immediately apparent to a casual viewer but are invaluable to the sport. DC and Richie’s influence on the game, leading the All Blacks to two World Cup victories, is unmatched.
Dan Carter's game management and game breaking ability is second to none. His precision, decision-making, and calm under pressure shaped the All Blacks' play for over a decade. His ability to control the game, both tactically and technically, set a standard for fly-halves globally. Not to mention he’s won in every competition he’s ever participated in.
Antoine Dupont is undoubtedly a phenomenal player. However, being the GOAT isn't just about individual brilliance or versatility; it's about impact, consistency, and contribution to the team's success over a prolonged period. Dupont is on a remarkable trajectory, but to claim the title of GOAT, he will need to sustain this level and influence as McCaw and Carter did throughout their careers.
Highlight reels can show moments of brilliance, but the GOAT title in rugby requires a deeper understanding and appreciation of the sport's intricacies and the player's overall impact.
@@SamWhite-no6dd Rugby rules had to be changed to handle McCaw.
DC was a 10 that could run the ball and score tries without having bad decision making, defense or goal kicking.(every other running 10 i would argue fails this) His game awareness was amazing.
@@SamWhite-no6ddIf it's about highlights then Beady and Lomj would be the undisputed goats😅
@@SamWhite-no6ddDuPont is levels away from DC. DuPont plays for a country with a population over 10 times the size of NZ. NZ having one of the smallest populations still pulled out the 2 best players to ever take the field. I could watch DC highlights all day long, DuPont highlights only cover 30mins. DuPont ran to 7’s to win an Olympics and tried to win the WC because he know he will never taste it in union(how does that make one great, if anything it’s accepting defeat and moving on 🤣) 🇿🇦
As a French supporter and Die hard Toulouse and Dupont fan, he is not the GOAT of our sport. Carter still owns that title. I do think this RWC 2023 failure hurt him bad and his achievings post-RWC are what’s making him slowly entering into that GOAT conversation.
Winning a CC title, a Top 14 championship title (regardless of anyone who say otherwise, it’s the league that holds the title for the 4 past CC editions..) and a Olympic medal through that post RWC grieving is what’s making him an undoubtedly very special player. Challenging himself for that Gold medal, Preparing during 6 months while managing everything physically mentally and psychologically with his staff and winning it is by far one of the most impressive achievements this sport will ever see.
I’ve seen many fans especially in the South put up this argument that he needs to win a RWC to solidify his status even further.
And I would tend to slightly agree. It is however a bit too soon for us to really be able to thoroughly judge his impact on the game for the next generations of French rugby and world rugby in general.
Endless, interesting debate.
We all have our favorites and none of us speaks objectively.
We are French and we do not understand why in New Zealand we praise Dupont so much, he is not comparable to Dan Carter, Wilkinson, Sexton because I remind you that he has not done any international tour with the French team 🇫🇷 and that he must absolutely win them. Rugby remains rugby, we are not in soccer to hand out ridiculous golden balls
Dupont is a European phenomenon.....he can't be considered in GOAT category until he shows his mettle on the Great Southern Tours.
Where can I watch the full episode?
All Blacks TH-cam channel
Love the ABs. When they are not in form all other teams are great.
the three best players ( backs ) ever to lace up a pair of boots are, Christian Cullen, Daniel Carter, Jonah Lomu, the three best forwards, Richie McKaw Richie McKaw and Richie McKaw.
Why are we even giving Dupont air time in this ... He has won world player of the year once, he has no world cup wins, he has not won a series in the southern hemidphere ... He has not even played a 100 tests ... Why is he even in the conversation, I find it ridiculous!
There is no escape... if you really know about rugby... Dupont is THE ONE.
He is not even the best 9 of all time. That in the modern era is Joost, 38 test try’s and took down Loma in 1995. Carter the most complete player I ever seen in the no 10 jumper From a Saffa.
Stop with Joost, Dupont is better in literally every aspects of the game
JK thinks Argentina are ranked 4th in the world?? Does the guy even do any fkn research
Hahaha I was also confused when he said that..
He's going by finishes at the 23 WC they finished 4th behind england
Dupont, great player hasnt done jack, yet for example.
Carter,highest test point scorer with 1598 (29 tries) with record for conversioand pens. 3x world player of the year, MOM WC final. Win rate 88% (99 from 113)
McCaw 148 games at 7 for the ABs. Played in 131 wins ( over 100 as captain) 88%
Two WC wins one with a broken foot, only captain to skip an undefeated year...
Could go on and thats just 2 kiwi greats. Plenty of others from around the world too.
Talk to me about how NZ robbed us the 2011 finals with McCaw never ever getting penalized from being off-side nearly the entire game
@@antoneverbrightyour country has hosted the worst Olympics if all time
@@Paddythefatty ok stay hating
@@antoneverbrightas an Aussie that Paris Olympics has to be one of the worst ever
@antoneverbright Forward pass 2007 quarter finals.
Barnes then didn't ping your forwards off their feet and hands in the ruck.
Got over years ago and thought Barnes became a pretty good ref.
A "legend" of the game has the ability to turn around the game so Mo'unga is not even there. Carter was immensely skillful, so is Dupont, they have both redefined their position. Trophies are less of a criteria for me because we don't know if Dupont will ever win a World Cup with France and Carter has not won a Champions Cup with Racing 92 either. This show rugby is a team sport. What is interesting with this Olympics Seven is that France was not even in contention before Dupont turned up a few tournaments ago. The minute he joined the team, France won two tournaments and now they won Gold beating Fiji in the Final so there is no doubt Dupont brings an aura to whatever team he is in, just like Carter did in the British & Irish Lions tour. Dupont won everything he could won in the Northern Hemisphere Top 14, European Champions Cup, Six Nations... No doubt his only objective now will be to win the World Cup. He will return with a revenge for the RWC in Australia because he knows les bleus should not have lost that 1/4 Final against the Boks, les bleus were a bit naive at times and not as ruthless as the Boks, the question is can a French player get away with it... Dupont would have learned greatly from that but before he goes to World Cup mode, for me he has to win another Grand Slam beating Ireland. France should focus on Ireland first and foremost this year. We have not been super convincing against Ireland and it is without a doubt one of the teams France will have to beat in a World Cup. Winning a series down under would be nice, but France is not a franchise rugby system so I don't know whether les bleus will be ever able to travel in full squad or do like they did in Argentina (or Australia before) and travel with a B team. It would be useful to add a series down under but it is easier done in a franchise system where your Union decides whose players to rest. In France, private clubs decide and if the agreement says no, that's what it is. Galthie will have fewer players for the next 4 years, we know that already. Outside international windows, France will always send a B-team. Dupont is growing still but so many things can happen, Galthie needs to learn from his mistakes too in terms of coaching. Dupont can be instrumental but he won't win the next RWC on his own because Carter has not either. It is a team effort and many parameters go into it.
As an Irish fan I’m sorry to say but Dan Carter is phenomenal, DP a great player but DC is just in a different category…. Maybe if DP has a colourful career like DC bit until then it’s an obvious answer for me… just my opinion
Dan Carter and Antoine Dupont are both on the same level for me. I cannot separate them at all!
Let me guess you are from the northern hemisphere
To be a 'great' and a 'legend' is simply not dependent on winning a RWC .... maybe if your are talking about the GOAT it is .... BUT for example, Sergio Parisse was a 'great/legend', but never had a chance of winning a RWC because he represented Italy. Likewise, Brian O'Driscoll, Juan Hernandez, Gavin Hastings etc etc.
Carter?! The answer is McCaw
J Wilkenson. Lomu. Habana. Gregan. Carter. Mcaw. Odriscol. Pierre Spies. Nic Cummins. Earl Rose
Earl Rose😂
Didn't get pinged though huh. We can talk about the forward pass in the 07 quarter if you like, that Barnes froze and allowed your forwards to play the ball off their feet and offside if you like.
DC10 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Dupont.
Heavy clickbait Dupont!? GoAT?😂😂 man has only been on the scene since last week. DC and Mckaw now we talking
The french doesn't even have a world cup why are we having this conversation. He's not even the best 9
Ritchie McCaw is the goat.
yeah especially his 2011 Rwc finals, never got penalised from being offside. Absolute phallacy of a final totally robbed.
@@antoneverbrightwomp womp chigga
It's Carter. i really hate how good DC was even to this day, so it has to be him.
Personally, I think there are two conversations here:
1. How do you measure the "GOAT" (key word Greatest)
2. How do you measure a "Great"
For the first point I think you need to break it down between greatest back and greatest forward, because the criteria is so different for what makes them great. Greatest back of all time is DC, he has the most international points, was top class from the start of his career to the end, high impact player and match winner. And to prove that he won two RWCs and 3 World player of the years, not to mention played a pivotal role in the ABs being the best sports team in the WORLD (across all sports) for almost 10 years. There's no doubt in my mind he's the GOAT (he averaged 14 points A GAME). Will DP be a great? Sure. Will he be the GOAT. Highly unlikely.
Richie is the Greatest forward of all time hands down, and if you have to have one, he also beats DC in my books for his longevity and how he lead the ABs out of the darkest era (2008 QF knock out) in our history. Plus he was a gun on the field, innovator, match winner etc.etc.
Just give Dupont the credit he deserves
If you haven’t won a Currie Cup you can’t be in the conversation- Joost way better
Rassie > Du Kont
How can there be a GOAT when all time ain't done yet. Get a grip! I was gonna say, "get a fuken grip!" but this is a family show."
DP is not even ahead of Ma Nonu
It's funny how they, at the end of all those considerations regarding Pumas chances they still had the ABS winning. But as soon as they discussed the AUS vs. RSA game they gave the underdog wallabies the better chance. But then reality struck when Pumas beat All Blacks 38 - 30 and Springboks thrashed the Wallabies 33 - 7. 😂😂😂😂 How wrong they were!!!
Carlos Spencer
Just a general side note...with any player, of any team sport, it will never come back to a single fella to win sthg like a WC (or Huge KO competition with importance for the sport in question).
BTW I'm Argie and I do know a thing or two of this sort of Messianic train of thought...yet no Maradona, Messi, Porta, Ginobili or whomever wins anything on its own in a team sport, of course some can be sooooooooo instrumental and special that would help to get the title in a massive way, but it's never that simple, the first major thing it's having an actual TEAM, in its true meaning.
The silly ONE GOAT thing it's stupid with every sport, worse in team ones. They would always be several GOATs for every period on any sport.
Yet if we like to entertain the comparions, or going for the I preffer this fella among anyone ever, I think we should focus should be more in the players themselves, their atributes, talent and their club carreers in relation to his consistency in his perfomances. Later will come their NTs matches and their typical KO structure. With these sort of competitions we should not only thinking of them in terms of winning those, but more in terms of producing notable perfomances and avoiding producing too many shyte shows.
If a player does it in a WC, the better, if he does it in good form? even better, if he is quintassential to win a WC? a lot lot better if he actually wins it with a great level, a very high point in his carreer
WCs has a lot of weight and romatnicism on every sport. But it should be the focal point, it should be one of the poinst and more focus on how a player lost in those or won those.
Duppont IS THE BEST RUGBY PLAYER OF ALL TIME
Dupont
Ewing won a national title at Georgetown and a gold medal in the Olympics.
This DuPont GOAT discourse is hilarious. Objectively he wouldn't feature in a list of the top 10 players since the turn of the millenium. Sarcastically DuPont is what you get when you order Fourie Du Preez on Temu.
Spec savers annoys us!!
He has dones absolutely nothing to be in the conversation. Not even worth entertaining. He has been a good player for 4 years.
How can DuPont be called the 🐐 when he has never won a rugby World Cup
so Lomu is out of the discussion then?
heard it here first guys, Ben Cohen is better than Lomu according to this logic.
He is not even on Aaron Smiths level …
There's recency bias, and then there's this kak Carter, Lomu,Campese, Habana, and Cullen are miles ahead.
Carter by a mile.
Sorry but dupont couldn’t tie carters laces
It's not even close. It's Carter by an eternity.
Stop smoking lol
Dupont is a much better player than Carter in almost every aspects of the game
@@andremaube5069 Carter - with his 2 world cups, multiple player of the year and highest points scoring in history and historic win ratio? That Carter? ... lol ok champ.
Winning a World Cup should not be the sole criteria, first of all because Rugby remains a commonwealth sport, winning a World Cup playing for the ABs or the Boks is a lot easier than with any other teams. Put it frankly there has been a bias for decades, some teams are allowed more than others and when those teams only live for that one event playing a bogus championship in between, believe it or not they have it handed over, literally. The greatest All Blacks and Springboks on the planet proved that outside this pampered environment tailored to protect them, their actual impact is minimal. Carter brought very little to Racing 92 and Perpignan before that, Kalisi brought nothing to Racing 92, Whitelock brought nothing to Pau, Pitau brought nothing to Bristol and other clubs he played for, in fact the list of big SH names who just pancake outside their well pampered franchise system is humongous. We all know Super Rugby is a parody of a championship only built to help the SH sides to train without major risks to their physique and their spirit. When these players are out of their cocoon and they are asked to win trophies in championship were seasons are long, competitive and grueling and where the threat of relegation brings the best out of every clubs and players involved, that's where you see the true legends of the game. And sometimes you have great surprises like Victor Vito whose move from SH to NH did not impact his work ethic and performance whatsoever but players like these are rare and players like these are not considered legends of the sport in their own country. What Dupont did in Rugby 7 is to take an average team that won zero trophies to win 4 trophies including an Olympic Gold against reigning Champions Fiji. Imagine Dan Carter playing for Japan in Rugby XV and taking them to a Webb Ellis trophy title. That's how much of an impact Dupont had on this France side. Now, I want Dupont to win a World Cup because France has been trounced so many times but at least I know that when it will happen for les bleus it will be by merit. We have been to Hell and back so many times, nothing can hurt us anymore, not as much as it hurts the sport of rugby internationally anyway. Rugby is doing well in France, not so well in the World Cup winning Nations, maybe you ought to ask you why.
Neither. Ever heard of Danie Gerber?
Dupont is not yet even in the top 5 greatest scrumhalves of all time, let alone fit to carry Dan Carter or Richie McCaw's luggage 🤘😆
So name me 5 players better than him and how are they better? Let's hear it lol
@@andremaube5069 Joost vd Westhuizen, Fourie du Preez, Aaron Smith, George Gregan and Faf de Klerk all have well documented career records which leave Dupont in their dust, not to mention the last time de Klerk and Dupont faced off, ol' Ant was so traumatised by the experience he ended up running off with his tail between his legs in search of an olympic consolation prize to sooth his dented ego 🤘😆
@@adamvanderriet9669Faf De Klerk wouldn’t do fuck all in that France line up, you only name Saffa players but you’re so removed from reality that recognising excellence from foreigners is impossible. Stay hating, DuPont is three times the player De Klerk will ever be. Only haters like you will disagree.
Southern Hemisphere clowns unable to give Dupont the credit he deserves
@@adamvanderriet9669lmao ask any of those players if they think they are better than Dupont, you would be surprised by their answers 🤣
If Beauden Barrett was from one of the 6 nations they would be calling him the GOAT. The things he was doing from 2015 were unbelievable.. BUT because he's an All Black I think the rugby world just kind of expected an All Black first 5 to perform like that.
So I wonder if Dupont was an AB would he be getting called the GOAT? I don't think he would be
Yes he would be if he was AB, stop lying to yourself.
Barrett deserve to be in the conversation I agree. But tbh ye if Dupont was AB you would probably consider him as the best
@@antoneverbright if Dupont is already in the GOAT conversation then B Barrett should be in it as well.. But he's not
@@Sikasays I don't mind it, he's immense
@@antoneverbright fair enough mate.. We are in agreement then
a gaggle of geese trying to select a goat
Schalk Burger must be the goat.. Good began as a monster, won the WC, cheated death came back and played better....
Definitely one of the greatest
Show me his medals at the end of his career and then decide if he's even in the top 20 player's of all time, people are overhyping this guy, he's a great player, but the GOAT? Shouldn't even be in the conversation yet!
Skill wise, he is. Not yet on the palmares of course but you don’t watch him play enough in the South so I totally get why you think he is overhyped.
Best thing to do is listen to players talking about him, it’s quite telling.
how come there is two games in South Africa thats unheard of not one here in nz they normally have one game here and one away for all of the rugby championship teams
Half the accolades shown was done in Europe only and the other was 7s😂 he has won only ONE 6Ns title and the rest is domestic comps in Europe only.
He has played exactly 24mins in South Africa (he was young, but they lost to one of the worst Bok teams at the time)....nothing in NZ/Australia/Argentina etc
GOAT of Europe if the NH wants to insist on this BS narrative.
This is all waaaaay too premature, so let him finish his career & we can revisit this topic then
Should the all blacks lose a game in the RC, it would be because of the ref
George Gregan was a better player than Du Pont. The guy is good, the best no 9 currently but not the best ever.
Carter solos
DuPont is already a great. But not necessarily the GOAT. I agree with another comment here, comparing different positions is just pointless. Similar positions, like 9/10, yes you could potentially have an argument.
I mean, Dupont is phenomenal, best in the world at the moment. But has he maintained that level of skill, ability, and dominance for more than a decade?
I kinda see this argument like Nikola Jokic vs Michael Jordan. When Jokic retires, he'll go down in history as one of the best ever (already is). But Jordan will always be Jordan.
DuPont could retire tomorrow and he’s the best 9 in since 1995 abetted than joost and Fourie
😂Kolbe is the goat .he plays hooker,scrummie,flyhalf ,wing and fullback..period kolbe is the GOAT
Dan Carter.
Great player but how is Du Pont the GOAT? The bar is low my god.
Handre pollard JK change the subject 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
F@c the rules.
Look at the man and his game JK….
There’s no rules to greatness my friend…
I'll give Carter his props. That's well documented.
Du Pont wasn't even the best in his Team when he was playing with Cheslyn Kolbe.
Kolbe better, period.
Don't buy the world rugby (France, England, Ireland) Rhetoric.
What makes him better than Aaron Smith or Fourie Du Preez?
Zinzan Brooke & John Eales rank way higher than him too..
Don't get me started..
Musaenzanise DC nezvinhu zvisina basa!!!
Aaron smith is a greater player than dupont.
Why? Because he is from New Zealand?
more world cups, more test wins, better at passing
@@xoxo98808test wins 😂😂😂😂😂
Faf De Klerk is a better half back than dupont.
I don’t care what the question is, but those glasses are awful 😅
Until a South African says that Dupont is the goat i won’t even listen to this silly argument
DuPont is nowhere close yet. Look at world cups, player of the year titles and more. Richie McCaw, Pieter Steph du Toit. DuPont has done nothing outside of Europe
I dont think this two are grestest… the goat everybody in the World whole a round the globe was Jonah Lomu and will crash them all… he changed the game for ever without him today rugby would be very different…
R.S.A.
Dan Carter nah. Finn made him look less than average when he was plying for Racing 92.
Club rugby vs international vs young vs old. Your comment is stupid.
Finn who?? Not even worth mentioning,he not in the category of greatness compared to Carter,stay off the Crack pipe boy
tbh I think at that time of his career he was already thinking about retirement had achieved all that needed to be achieved in rugby DC the GOAT
@@jamiebloxham777 hook line and sinker too easy. DuPont is the better player.
Never won a World Cup quarter final. 1 Six Nations title. Never won a game in South Africa or New Zealand. His French team is stacked so that’s no excuse especially at a home World Cup. Goat? Not even the best 9 ever, not even top 3 ever. Aaron Smith, Fourie du Preez, Joost, all clear of the French loser. Dan Carter is the goat. DuPont isn’t top 20. Northern Hemisphere bias at its finest. You have one top player every 20 years and all of a sudden he’s the goat. Can what you play in the north even be considered rugby?
Sounds like anti-french bias. Typical from pure Southern cheaters.
I've been watching this show for close to 6 years now. But only now I realized how annoying JK is
Du Pont 🤣 Not even as good as Kolbe
Kolbe didn't win an Olympic Medal, that is farrrrrr more difficult to win than a RWC
@@antoneverbright Weak bait. He won 2 RWC by the way
@@dankenlightenment8903 you corruption is strong though, and your doped players aswell 😳😳😳
@@antoneverbright if you have evidence players are doping without getting caught, feel free to present it here
Dont ask New Zealanders ask all the other countries.
Dupont is the answer, hes small and frightening
Ine of if not the best Rugby players of all time.
Carter had the best All Black team of all time protecting him.
Carter was admired, not feared.
Other countries fear this guy.
Shocked out how un biased this was, normally expect these three to never talk positively about anyone other than the AB’s.
DuPont is not currently the best ever, no debate.
However, if he continues on his current trajectory it will not be a debate.
There has never been a player as rounded as DuPont, absolutely class across on skill sets- including the ones he has no business in.
Never been a player as well rounded? Please 🤦🏽😂 did you start watching rugby last week?
Were you born yesterday 😂
@@kurupt7154 open to learn? who's the debate? something tangible? or someone from before the professional era?
@@Paddythefatty fresh out the womb, I am however open to learning who are you suggesting is as rounded as this guy?
@@kurupt7154 @paddythefatty Also gentleman, as with many debates it paints a very clear picture when the group on one side of the argument say stuff like 'WeRe YOu BoRn LASt WeeK' rather than provide credible arguments.
no doubt the suggestions you give will be based around players you love(sometimes from the country you're from) you're thinking with your heart not mind.
for example at 27 Carter was yet to win a WC, and already in the greatest 23 we've ever seen, had 1 player of the year (same as Dupont) and less accolades than Dupont.
of course its all Theoretical because he could hang up his boots tomorrow, but if he doesn't and he continues at the rate his at the moment he'll likely over take the great DC bar world cup triumphs and that simply comes down to when it really matters SH teams are just much better at grinding out wins as a team.
The impact he's currently having on rugby has never been seen, millions of people debating- hoping over to 7's and dominating that just for a laugh- the most marketable player in the world.
considering he's already achieved more than carter did at 27 whilst not having 3 or 4 of the greatest ever players in his international side with him (like DC had) it makes no sense why people cant comprehend that he could potentially end up as the greatest weve seen.
is he now? absolutely not, is he likely to be? probably
Scott R has had enough time to work out his game plans, he didn't come down in the last shower.. enough with the talk he needs to get on with it!