no worries, I;m so into the vid I barely recognized it, like my brain automatically assume you're typing Zack. That's how far I'm into this game, damn. Aerith is, the perfect supportive girl, totally sincere throw her chest to block your bullet, any sincere man would fall for her if they're in Cloud's shoes, it's everything a man ask for from a woman, dying loyalty
I think nothing has ever broken my brain more than the fact that I played all of OG FF7 twice without access to the internet and thought it was the most obvious shit ever that Cloud/Aerith was a tragic love story (without thinking there was even an alternative), just to finally discover the internet and realise that other people interpreted the whole love triangle completely differentely. Still blows my mind. I'll die on the Cloud/Aerith hill though.
I’m so late here but that’s exactly what I feel. Sometimes I wonder why we even try to justify it it’s like explaining 2+2 for real. For me there’s no doubt Just because they prefer Tifa they go out of their way to persuade themselves that Cloud loves her
LITERALLY SAME! I'm not even joking I went through the same thing after just watching some cutscenes on clearith. I remember being so devastated about Aerith dying and Cloud's depression and thought everyone felt the same and then imagine to my surprise the sheer insanity and amount of Clotis...like ya'll couldn't ship Sefikura instead? That makes way more damn sense like ok classic enemies to lovers and we all know it's not canon. But naaaahhh they died on a Cloti hill like Cloud and Aerith aren't constantly making an appearance in side games because they're the main couple. Like the dream sequence in remake didn't exist. Ok then. Fuck everything...
she is like cloud's heartbeat. wherever she gone, whatever she do always makes Cloud go out of character. when she tease him, he got off guard and buys her joke😂 when she got kidnapped, he try to save her and willing to climb damn 59 floors for her.. and all of that is a 'friendship' thing? no, he falls for her so that's why he do all of that shits. Advent Children is a story how lonely and dark Cloud's life without Aerith😔..for me, there is REASON why this FF7 got remake, not telling us the same storyline like before. I'm just hoping there is hope for Aerith to live. I'm already done seeing the dark Cloud, now I want a happy Cloud with nobody dying, but I know that might be impossible since we don't know what will happen next chapter..❤
I d have never thought it possible, neither wishable, though the way things go with rebirth and your comment make me envision this with a strange peace ..
@@Addam_ fanfiction is the BEST way to describe Cloti...even Zerith when you take into consideration Aerith talks about moving on when she meets Cloud and Zack again in the lifestream...Cloti genuinely is NOTHING even without Clerith. There is so much relationship issues. Yet they tend to prefer Cloti over Clerith...the whole point of Clerith is love beyond death, it don't get more genuine than that hoe. You can't even say that Cloud loved both girls, he never loved Tifa. Cloud's crush on Tifa was that of a lonely, isolated boy wanting the attention of the most popular girl in town...she had something that he'd always craved, friends and admirers. That’s not love. Or even a crush. Not one based on personality and interaction at least. But who else can relate to this lonely childhood? Aerith. Can you imagine if they met as children?! Cloud wouldn't even leave the village or if he did, it would be to get stronger so he could come back and protect Aerith.
Srsly, that scene where Cloud reacts to Aerith's (canon) best dress in 7R still blows my damn mind. Like, Clerith gets ALL of that, and Tifa/CloTi literally gets NOTHING like it, no matter what dress Tifa has on? He literally doesn't react like that to her at all? And hell, the scene where you "pick" Tifa in the sewers does far more confirmation for Clerith than it does anything for CloTi! Not to mention, any romance in Tifa's resolution scene is ambiguous at best, unlike in Cloud's resolution scene with Aerith, where romantic love is pretty much outright stated?? (Aerith tells Cloud he can't fall in love with her, and he pretty clearly disregards that---"Do I get I say in all this?" & "I'm coming for you" are so obviously him pushing back against what she said.) Not to mention other scenes you skipped over, like Cloud flat out denying that Tifa is his girlfriend when Aerith asks after they rescue the kids in ch 8, and says "it's not like that" when Aerith follows up her previous girlfriend question with "but she's someone special?". Or the way Aerith held his hand and calmed down Cloud later during his Seph Clone freakout? Or how Cloud looked MAD when Elmyra demanded that he stay away from her daughter? Or the entire train graveyard sequence when Aerith gets taken, how he was screaming for her, or the way he was demanding to know where she was when Tseng had her, or how he pleaded with Barret to get Aerith (and Aerith ONLY) to safety in Shinra Tower, like....JFC. Listen, I don't care if ppl don't like or don't want to ship Clerith---that's obvs fine, you do you. But I genuinely cannot understand the ppl who say that Clerith isn't canon, or that it has nothing going for it in comparison to CloTi, bc like....fucking hello??? Did we even play the same game??? And it's so annoying, bc it's like...Clerith and CloTi can both be canon at the same time! The willful blindness some ppl have, I tell you...
@@swagster7 i know! sorry if that came out rude (im more of an clerith person myself), im kinda new to the ffvii lore and ive seen a lot of people really arguing about which one of the ships is canon. I dont really get it bc even though i prefer aerith its kinda obvious the devs make both paths available for the girl the players prefer. Or maybe i just dont get the whole lore and theres actually a canon relationship idk about lol (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
@@gabrielletorres9885 oh no it’s okay! And yes i agree they’re both aimed at being canon, but i believe truly that it’s clerith that is canon, there has been more clerith than cloti in the games. But yes it’s really honestly up to the player at the end of the day which makes them both canon in a way, but story wise i think clerith is canon!
@@swagster7 I think of it like an implied canon.Something like the mass effect 3 ending in which we are given a choice, but the general consensus is that one ending is correct. I don't think devs will ever outright confirm that one is canon like how they did in FFX-2, but I think the story thematically fits a lot better with Clerith as the pairing, plus I think they have far more chemistry together.
I feel like I always have to mention this to CxT fans, Clouds mom says "I'd feel a lot better if you settled down with a nice girlfriend..." But she doesn't mention Tifa she's nice. Tifa is their neighbor and Clouds mom could have been like, " Tifa is here go and talk to her she'd be happy to see you." Or something like that but no. Come on! Mamma knows best
I really love this, and also in World of Final Fantasy there is a escene between Cloud and Terra when she said "By killing him (Sephiroth) it will bring you back the woman that you lost? Take your love for her and turne it into hate?" and I was like OMG. And also in Fhnal Fantasy War of Lions, Cloud met a girl who was really similar to Aerith and he protected her, I adore this couple
Their chemistry in the original is just too palpable. It's obvious they have a connection. Seeing, again, how their relationship builds from the moment they meet melts my heart. I love Tifa so much, but Aeris and Cloud are the real deal. And Mena Suvari made Aerith sound like a lost little girl. She was older than him for chrissake AND she grew up in the slums.
about the flower, ppl said, "oh, okay Aerith gave it for free to Cloud, but he gave it to Tifa after that." um, you guys know they only just met right? i mean Aerith and Cloud. also, this is Cloud's 'first' new FF7 timeline, meanwhile the remake is Aerith's 2nd life. and remember when SE said they will make every Aerith dialogue with care, bcs she is that important, yea, when she said that, she meant her and Cloud reunion.
Also, he only gave Tifa the flower bc she asked about it. I'll bet you that if she didn't say anything about it, then he wouldn't have given it to her of his own volition. It's part of a trend that I noticed in 7R---Cloud literally NEVER takes his own initiative when it comes to Tifa. Ever. 1) Barret is the one who tells Cloud to hurry and see Tifa at 7th Heaven after the first bombing mission; despite knowing Tifa longer than Barret has, it still didn't cross Cloud's mind to realize that Tifa would be worried sick and to hurry back on his own, and Barret had to be the one to remind him (maybe bc he actually hardly knows her at all in reality, but shhh XP) 2) as mentioned, Cloud only gives Tifa the flower after she asks about it; despite having functioning ears when Aerith told him that lovers gave them as a symbol of reunion, and despite his supposedly great and everlasting love for Tifa, Cloud didn't take this opportunity to make his own move on Tifa (not to mention that he doesn't tell Tifa what it means, and she has to look that up later on her own...if he meant it that way, wouldn't he have told her what it means? also, I find it curious that Marlene describes it later to Aerith as "OUR flower" (emphasis mine); obviously Marlene asked Tifa about the flower, and imo, whatever Tifa said in response couldn't have given the impression that it was a romantic gesture, as Marlene clearly views this flower as a communal one, for lack of a better word, and we know from the OG that Marlene isn't above being a bit of a match-maker) 3) Marle starts continually badgering Cloud about being a better friend to Tifa, and to be there for her and to get her to open up, and Cloud eventually does try, but doesn't push it when Tifa keeps deflecting; imo, it's questionable as to whether he would've tried w/o Marle's interference (notably, when Aerith tries to deflect, like in the "Language of Flowers" scene.....Cloud doesn't let her? Hmm...) 4) Tifa literally has to order Cloud to compliment her after she makes him a drink 💀 5) Cloud was just....totally going to walk away and let Tifa go off on her Corneo mission, alone and with no backup, until Aerith ordered him to do otherwise (and later, he refuses to let Aerith go into Don Corneo's mansion alone, and despite his pride, was willing to dance and crossdress in order to go in with her so he could protect her (Clotis try to say that the crossdressing was for Tifa---no, it was literally for AERITH'S sake; also, doesn't matter that Tifa could probably protect Aerith just as well with "all the ass that [she] can kick"---no, no, Cloud PERSONALLY has to protect Aerith and keep her safe 👀) 6) according to the Ultimania, iirc, the reason why Cloud hugged Tifa during her resolution scene is bc he was mimicking BARRET, who had hugged Tifa earlier; also, Tifa was the one who hugged him, instead of him comforting her with a hug when she started crying, and she had to WALK OVER to him to do it, and it took several awkward moments before he would hug her back 💀💀💀 7) Cloud wouldn't high five Tifa, no matter how upset his lack of participation made her; when Aerith gets sad about him not high fiving her back, however, he immediately resolves to do better and try to be READY for it the next time?? Literally, is there a greater embodiment of the difference between the way Cloud acts with Aerith vs Tifa and the amount of effort he's willing to put in for them, even in this seemingly small little scene? 👀👀👀 And this was all just what was off the top of my head (and having 7 examples seemed apropos XP), I'm sure there are plenty of other examples one could point to.
The creators are literally teasing it, “lovers used to give these when they were reunited.” Last time I checked, this line was NOT in the original. So basically, if Cloud gives Tifa the flower, it’s romantic and the creators are teasing them as being lovers who have reuinted. (Not saying it’s not, if that’s how you see it) But when Aerith gives Cloud the flower, it’s not? Considering it’s a remake, and Cloud and Aerith have finally been reuinted again too, why should it only apply to CXT and not CXA as well? “Cloud gave Tifa a flower” …and Aerith gave Cloud a flower.
@kiryn5977 You nailed it with these examples! If you'd like to add more, that would be great. It's really obvious that Cloud tries to be a good friend for Tifa, but Cloud's connection with Aerith is deeper and more meaningful, in my opinion!
59:59 These images appear on the wall when Tifa is answering the phone in Cloud's room. It's interesting that Cloud has so many pictures with fields of flowers and Aerith appears in a field of flowers at the end. Unfortunately the story of FFVll is tragic and we never had the opportunity to see Cloud and Aerith with a happy ending. I hope this time he finds happiness, even though he is next to Tifa he is not happy although many think otherwise, Cloud is an empty character.
"I hope this time he finds happiness, even though he is next to Tifa he is not happy although many think otherwise, Cloud is an empty character." THIS. RIGHT. HERE. Advent Children showed that PERFECTLY yet somehow, Cloti shippers...their denial even after that is just...shocking and unbearable.
iirc (memory is kinda vague) in Advent Children in the original Japanese there is a line when Cloud is being healed where Tifa says, "You never left him." (referring to Aerith) However in English they translated it to "You never left us." Which is sort of a massive change.
@@sunnysodapop Yeah, Japanese to English translations can be way off, often translators will add flavor text to make something sound better often changing the entire meaning of the phrase. In Advent Children "Complete" (the re-release) that same line from Tifa changed even more in English and is now, "Somehow, I knew you where there. Thank you."
This was so lovely!! But I'm surprised you left out the scene in Advent children where Sephiroth asks Cloud what he cherishes most. Everyone else appears once but Aerith appears several times in his mind. Also in 'On the way to a smile' Aerith calls Cloud her 'lover'. The English translation says something else but in the original Japanese text and even in other languages, its lover. 🥰
The real tragedy of Final Fantasy seven is this. Aerith and Cloud. Sure at 16 she dated Zack. But he vanished and was gone for five years. And then he died. It’s unreasonable to expect a 16 year old girl to not move on. So she meets cloud, and is initially attracted to him because some thing about him reminds her of Zack, sure. But the romance between them blooms regardless. And then she dies. And cloud never gets over it. Sure he ends up with Tifa in the original game, but people forget that at the very end of the game as she is helping him climb out of the crater, he sees her hand as Aerith’s at first… Cloud then says something like, “I need to go back to the forgotten city… I think I can meet her there…” and Tifa just gets this look on her face like she’s been shattered. This is not a happy story. It’s about losing love, and not being able to get over it. He is so not over it that Cloud and Tifa are clearly no longer together in Advent Children, Tifa’s first line in response to the phone, “he’s not here anymore…” It’s heartbreaking for Aerith as she loses her first BF. Then starts to lose Cloud to Sephiroth’s control. It’s heartbreaking for Cloud because he loses Aerith. It’s heartbreaking for Tifa because she loses Cloud.
I have never understood this, that he ended with Tifa in the OG? Where? Even in one of the last scenes Cloud wants to meet Aerith in the promised land. He NOT THEY. And then Tifa tags a long and said that They could meet Aerith in the promised land. Cloud has always been looking for Aerith.
@serendipity2656 no, has never been confirmed, even in Advent Children they were still friends. Their relationship has never moved from friends. In Advent Children, Tifa makes Cloud decide between the "memory of Aerith" or them as a family (Tifa,Marlene, Denzel, Cloud and Barret) and he still picks the "memory".
I think this was my first real connection to true love. There was other media where I rooted for people to be together, but none had the same impact as these two. They were meant to meet, to travel together and fall in love and you really feel that in the game. Aeris has such a meaningful presence in the party and in Cloud's life that when she's cruelly taken away it leaves a void that can't and won't be filled. I was devestated and mourned her death as much as i would a loved one. That's how well they designed her character, to fit perfectly with Cloud, where they complimented each other and we felt his pain when she was gone. That scene has stayed with me since the og and I've perpetually been on the lookout for any cameos they have, because no matter what world it is they'll always find each other.
It's cruel how Cloud lost her, he really loved Aerith and cared for her too as she did the same for him. Man, he really got done dirty, dude didn't deserve that to happen to him. Damn you sephiroth!
Honestly, CloTi shippers just seem to like Tifa, not Cloud, they want her to get what she wants because they insert themselves in Cloud (or Tifa if they're girls, and they simp for both), and they are biased to ignore everything Aerith related because they can't deal with the reality. I don't see why CloTi wouldn't have been already confirmed openly like all of the canon pairing in the other instalments (even Lucretia and Vincent are confirmed canon) if they would have ended up together, Tifa is far more popular since AC, so why don't they openly scream and proclaim that CloTi it's canon? Because it isn't, it has never been and never will be. Clerith isn't canon just because it's the story of a love that could never be, but the feelings of affection between Cloud and Aerith are pretty canon, the only reason they're not together it's that she died, but in this new alternative timeline things might be different.
Not for the first time, people will WILLFULLY blind themselves to the real, genuine and authentic romance in favor of choosing the girl that can fight and might be more physically attractive. Every time a Cloti shipper explains their love for the ship, they focus on Tifa. It's literally just them liking her appearance and confidence in fighting so naturally, they'll pair her up with the M.C. The only reason this fandom doesn't hate Aerith despite fandoms typically trashing on the sweet, pure girl that isn't a fighter and likes boys is because they can pair her off with Zack and dismiss her and Cloud with "Zack 's memories and the Mako" even though that theory is a plot hole the minute it comes out of their mouth. You see this so often in anime too, it's annoying as hell. They don't believe in Cloti, they just like Tifa on a shallow, surface level that's technically insulting to her character too.
@@kirak1561 Beauty's subjective or whatever but if majority of the fandom thought Aerith was more attractive, shipping wars would be between CloudxSephiroth and Clearith instead of Cloti.
@@kirak1561 I never said she didn't. I'm just saying that most of the fandom disagrees. And it's for stupid reasons like that that Clearith ain't as popular as Cloti even though it's literally canon.
Tifa definitely romantically interested in Cloud, and Cloud also hold dear Tifa in his heart, like a family. She obviously shown her effort in the OG, both in Mako poisoning incident and the pre final battle where they spend a night together below Highwind. Definitely married them both if I were Cloud
@@haysnairte4 Stop raving, you don't even know the characters of the ship you defend, Cloud and Tifa are shy and introverted, do you think they would do this on Highwind? In a serious Japanese game LOL "Definitely married them both if I were Cloud" that's why I don't like Cloti because everything comes down to Tifa NOTHING about Cloud Strife How ff7 fandom in America is terrible distorted everything
@@mi.gmgirl6070 bet you feel pretty silly after they kissed in Rebirth huh? The whole idea in the original AND the remake is that as Cloud you got to choose which side of the love triangle you wanted to lean towards. Both Tifa and Aerith have romantic feelings for Cloud and it's up to you the player to decide who he pursues. If we're gonna talk "canon" well they do live together in Advent Children and have a couple adopted kids they mom and dad together. That's gotta count for something there. That said Cloud is also very clearly hung up on Aeriths death in the movie and its clear he saw her as more than just a friend.
@@jonbradley4044 Firstly in Rebirth Tifa's route makes no less sense especially if you played all the routes if you have neurons in your brain you understand the plot that is being told because in the canon Cloud tried to kill her because of Sephiroth and it almost came to fruition . Tifa is resentful she no longer trusts Cloud at that moment, Cloud feels extremely guilty. So the Gondola option player chooses Cloud kisses Tifa ??????, the characters are out of character. Nojima says that in that specific moment it feels like a dating sim he's been playing for 30 years, he himself doesn't take that scene seriously because he knows Cloud is out of character. The conclusion of this is nothing more than fanservice to please Tifa's fans. Sources: FF7 Rebirth Ultimania, page 734 I wanted to know what it was like for the people who followed the Tifa route. The last few chapters, which are not optional, see The sight of Aerith in danger causes Cloud to break out of Sephiroth's control - something he wasn't able to do even when he was forced to almost kill Tifa earlier in the game. In the final moments they intertwine fingers (yes, romantically in Japan they are considered lovers). Secondly, the biggest mistake of this fandom is that Cloud and Tifa live as a family in Advent Children, while the movie in Ultimanias just shows that their relationship is terrible and there is a lack of communication. They don't live as a couple, they have separate rooms. Oh, remember Barret (he exists) he lives with them too, and Marlene, is his daughter, not Cloud and Tifa. And about Denzel, Cloud believes Aerith brought it to him, but Tifa includes herself in this and says she brought it to us. Sources: Tifa's Case (Advent children's novel) Do you know why Cloud won the Geostigma?! Do you know the meaning of this disease?! If you know, he would never say that Aerith was just a friend to him. Cloud and Tifa only canon fandom wiki where anyone can change status. Tifa has always been OPTIONAL for the player since 1997, this fandom has never accepted that. If you prefer Cloti, that's your problem, no more fallacies and headcanon.
I played the OG in September 97’. Finished the game a dozen times before AC and CC came out. It was also the era without internet discussions. I always had the Aerith date and didn’t know you could date others. Recently I found out about the shipping wars. I love Tifa but I always thought she was a very good friend at the end of the OG - loved the lifestream scenes with her. Aerith and Cloud will always be my main couple. Recently I had some discussions with Tifa fans and my god they’re annoying: they refused to accept my view, while I respected theirs. Looking forward to part 3!
Also, at 9:00, it wasn’t just that Aeris put herself in danger for Cloud, but more so that she wanted to spend more time with him. When you have that deep of a connection with someone, you get the urge to always want to be next to that person. I swear, for game sprites, this is romantic as hell. How can two people who met briefly, who never agreed to being boyfriend/girlfriend or even exchange so much as an "I love you" have so much chemistry? Aerith and Cloud all the way.
Good grief, this story... Aerith... Playing Rebirth took my capacity for sorrow opened it a thousand fold wide. I never expected that a piece of fiction would (at any point) cause me the most emotional anguish in my life. And having a life with the death of closely held loved ones, I'm struggling with it.
soo i had an interesting theory pop into my brain at the end of this vidoer morbious final fantasy. clopud can Remake something? sound familiar? that will be my head cannon until proven otherwise. - Remake Rebirth is Not sephiroths doing or aeriths. its CLOUD remaking things . so he can SAve aerith. . anywhere cloud goes sephiroth follows. so cloud is the one who gets to remake first. then (future aerith than and future sephiroth) . Hollow is litterally clouds sadness loss and feels hollow with out her. and in Rebirth.will we get future clouds rebirth? will we get aeriths rebirth? so they can both be togather?. omg please!
Rebirth has been out for a while now. Now some people can drop the idea that cloud and aerith liking each other is some kind of betrayal to zack, since he qccepted it when marlene told him they liked each other
Would be delighted if you made a second video in this series, if you are still creating videos that is. Rebirth had some good moments with Cloud and Aerith as well as Cloud and Tifa too. Hope part 3 will keep having cute flirty moments.
Spoiler: While I can see valid points on both sides of the romance debate. I think a major reason why team Tifa has half its size … is do to not being able to accept letting go.
And also because Tifa has boobs...... You forgot about that. The Cloud and Tifa relationship as a whole is so bland compared to Cloud and Aerith, so it has to be the shallowness of the aesthetics of them both as a couple that appeals to that fandom.... I personally don't know what else it could possibly be cause there's nothing else there lol
tbh with you, it's pretty much because ppl self insert themselves as cloud. tifa is like hinata in that sense, she's cute, but she's popular like that because she's strong and is oversexualized.
I feel like maybe the voice directing just wasn't that good because she is great as Rapunzel, her and Aerith are similar in personality so by all means she would've been great as her
Mandy Moore voiced Aerith in KH1; who you're hearing is Mena Survari, who voiced Aerith in KH2 & AC. Mandy Moore was fantastic as Aerith in KH1, and the CC VA wasn't bad either (can't recall her name off the top of my head, but she was a new one). I do feel like Briana White is the best Aerith VA, tho.
Will never understand why such a big percentage of the ff7 fandom is so hellbent on spreading misinformation like saying tifa is the main heroine over aerith or that cloud never loved aerith lmao
People thinking with their genitals instead of heart.. or brain. Because lets face it, Tifa is a thirst trap. Aerith is dressed like any plain Jane. Long dress, no thighs exposure, no boobas. Tifa is this hot smoking babe that if she drops something and bends to pick it up, you'll see all her treasures. Aerith could be wearing a potato sack as a dress, its not attractive at all. What Aerith is, however, is very full of personality, kindness, mischief, giggles and some hidden sadness. Tifa is a big girl that can take care of herself. Aerith depends on Cloud much more and acted more like the damsel in distress. Cloud feels like he has the strength needed to protect her, and he does. Tifa doesn't need that coddling and protection that Aerith does, and that makes him feel needed in her life. And i guess that's how it started in his heart.
@@MissusFail I think it's because Aerith dies in the end, but Tifa still lives. I think that's why a lot of people mistake Tifa to be the main heroine and love interest.
@@EvelynL.1112 If only it was that, then people wouldn't hate Aerith and instead would genuinely acknowledge her importance in Cloud's life. But they twist the narrative so much just to fit their delusion. I'm sure you know what i'm talking about
@@MissusFail Why should anyone hate Aerith? She's the one who saves the planet twice. She's also nice, sweet, and caring towards others despite having that stubborn streak.
They all said this Zack-Cloud is not really true Cloud but hey, he might carry some of Zack desire but his personality stay the same so anything he feel with Aerith is real, beside of that, everything happen between them maybe similar at start (still, It's like destiny when he felt in to the church the same way Zack did) but very different experience after that, thay have a journey of their own, not like Zack who left her all the time and just talk through mail. Tifa maybe hot but she's like the perfect girl next door who good to everyone and Cloud is just one of her fans, nothing special happen between them in the past. Even after Aerith die, Tife may help Cloud get over being Seph clone but she's just being nice, she could do that to anyone in the team. In Advance Children, they're still appear to be a good friend, nothing more.
That is because they do not even understand the story. There is no such thing as "not the true Cloud" beyond a metaphorical expression. "Fake Cloud" is the same guy, the same consciousness. His brain just put up a facade to protect itself. But it is the same man nonetheless and a lot of what he normally is bleeds through.
Wow thank you so much for putting this together. Who decided to cut onions while watching this video?? 😭 😭 Also what is the very last video from where Cloud supposedly enters the remake world? To me that is good evidence things will be different in the remake.
That is from a crossover event with a game (Mobile I guess?) called Mobius, supposedly it is the same Cloud as in Remake. th-cam.com/video/cQcGAQYIyKg/w-d-xo.html
The developers has stated that this is a love triangle, where tifa and aerith like cloud anf it is up to the player to decide witch one is prefered by themself. So there is no canon in that. If you say aerith x cloud that means you are giving more attention to aerith sweetness and care than someone who is giving more attention to tifa incapacity to unlock her heart and be indecisive.
Don't you mean, ZackTi? I think they definitely have a chance of working! They would be the perfect opposites-attract pairing just like Clerith! Tifa wants a hero to save her and Zack always wants to be a hero. Also as the first chapter in Rebirth proves, they bring out the best in each other than Cloud and Tifa. Tifa literally protects Zack from a Velociwing whereas Cloud has to protect Tifa from the same Enemy.
if you're looking for that ship in the fandom, its ship name is Zifa, jsyk. and yes, I do think Zifa works far better than Cloti or Zerith, tho I have many other ships that rank higher for me personally.
It definitely could work. After all, zack I'd basically what tifa envisioned when she thought of a super cool hero soldier who could come save her. But rebirth has me wanting zack with cissnei more than tifa
tengo una teoria y es que en el remake nos muestran a un Cloud hablandole a alguien y a otro cloud que solo llora y no dice nada... Por lo que hay un choque de universos o lineas temporales, el cloud original y el cloud del remake, pero en una la salva y en el otro no, si vemos hay dos esferas pero Aerith ya le habia dado su esfera a cloud y es la que tiene al final, mientras que la que murio en el original aun tenia esa esfere y callo en el agua... es complicado pero esto podria demostrar que Cloud si logro salvar a Aerith pero esta esta atrapada en una especie de linea de tiempo o en otro universo y otra prueba es la grieta que se ve en el cielo que solo cloud y Aerith pueden ver, esto se debe a que algo los une y yo digo que es esa esfera.
I believe that Cloud loves both Tifa and Aerith, just in different ways. And both relationships are equally important for his growth into the hero he needs to be. As far as who is better for him romantically? Well, at the end of the day, how affectionate he is with either of them is entirely dependent on our choices as the players of the game, so it’s pretty difficult to tell which potential relationship is TRULY canon. I’m personally Team Cloti simply because I truly believe Tifa and Cloud are more compatible with each other. But Aerith is an absolute angel, and I hated how she was cruelly ripped from us. And I can’t wait for Part 3 so we can take our revenge on Sephiroth.
But cloud loves tifa and that's why he wanted to be solider. Cause he lost memory. So he doesn't really remember so much about tifa and thier relationship. Maybe he likes areith but tifa is the one who meant to him. Probably That's why he didn't accept areith confess and areith may be know that he actually loves tifa and he doesn't remember that. That's why she said if he loves her it doesn't real and She stills love zack. Now she trying to move on with cloud. (But I think she loves him as replacement of zack. Cause she said that cloud is similar to zack and that's why she loves him.)
Davy Jones: Now Lass How Did Ye Die Aerith: Umm Zack: (Sees Aerith) WAIT AERITH????? Aerith: ZACK How Are You? Zack: Whats Going On Wait Did Sephiroth Aerith: Kill Me Yes Will Turner: WAIT You Ended Up Like Me? Aerith: Yes Why? Will: I Was Killed The SAME Way Aerith: (Wide Eyes) REALLY Will: See I Even Have The Scar Aerith: :) I'm Aerith Will: Call Me Will Aerith Aerith: Ask Me ANYTHING Will Will: How Did You Die? Aerith: I Was Killed When I Was Almost Done Praying But It Failed Here I'll Show You (Shows Will The Scar) Will: I Lost My Heart Aerith: Your Heart? Will: Yes Why Is Your Hair Down? Aerith: My Materia Fell Will: Come Aboard The Dutchman And We'll Talk Aerith: (Walks With Will To The Ship As She Explains Her Death)
My GOD it’s like a who new generation of people that are clueless that Aerith is woman that saves the world and her friends. And then cloud and tifa are the love story. Like…come on guys.
I feel like alot of Cloud and Aerith's chemistry is lost in the Remake. Cloud has better chemistry with Tifa in the new one, while original FF7, Aerith really steals the show..... until she doesn't :(
Whatever but she loves more Zack than cloud. In the game when cloud asked her, she doesn't deny. So she still loves Zack. She likes cloud because he is similar to Zach. Maybe that's why she likes cloud and probably cloud just a replace of zack.
I think that yes- there was a romance that could have happened between them, but the relationship they ended up having was not "soulmates" or whatever. Aerith was nurturing and Cloud was opening up and trying to be supportive of her. that is not exclusively a romantic relationship. I think that's most apparent in the date in og and in remake, the night scene. she tells Cloud that they're not meant to be lovers in the night scene and in the date scene they don't do anything romantic like kiss or anything. I don't have anything against people that ship them but to say that there factually WAS a love story is stretching it by a lot. It's ambiguous in the og by design... but Cloud does get together with Tifa canonically under the Highwind. so Cloud's chosen Tifa as a mate rather than being "widowed" to Aerith. I don't know many love stories that end with "and then he got together with another girl instead" ... except for HIMYM, i guess but look at how people reacted to that ending....
It's never said they that Tifa and Cloud together canonically. And in Remake she said she can't fall in love with him cause she knows she dies and doesn't want him to be in pain over it.
@@magicalgirl4 it's heavily implied that the night under the Highwind were they expressed their feelings and tifa says "words are not the only way to express your feelings" and they wake up om each other. However in Advent children we get to know that once Cloud got Geostigma he distanced himself from everyone again. But Tifa and Cloud shared a home then too but by the events of the movie he was out All the time. You could argue that only platonic things happened under the highwind and that the living arrangement doesn't have to mean romantic relationship... but there's clear reason to infer. Let's just agree that their relationship status is intentionally confusing to allow all shippers
@@chainclaw07 - First off, the Highwind scene has both high affection and low affection versions. There are also interpretations of the high affection Highwind scene that don't agree it implied sex at all, just embarrassment from having personal feelings overheard. Debatable fan interpretation of an optional scene isn't remotely conclusive. No matter what the player chooses for dialogue in the original game or which version of any scene you get, the ending to the love triangle is always the same, where Cloud focuses on his desire to find Aerith in the Promised Land after getting his answer from the planet. He doesn't focus on Tifa after the hand reach. He's thinking about Aerith. "An answer from the Planet... the Promised Land... I think I can meet her... there." Tifa looks sad, bows her head, and agrees, actions that make sense for a woman realizing that Cloud, the man she's literally clinging to, loves someone else. In Advent Children, Cloud and Barret both live at Seventh Heaven and have their own rooms. Nobody is living with Tifa romantically or sharing a room with her. Barret is doing lots of traveling to find new energy sources, so he's not at home as much, but he is very much part of their family of friends. Meanwhile, Cloud's running bouquets to the Ancient City for Elmyra behind Tifa's back. He brings Denzel home with him because he believes Aerith brought the boy to him. The photo of Cloud, Denzel, Marlene, and Tifa on his desk shows him turning away from everyone else and looking miserable. Even before getting Geostigma and running off to live in Aerith's church, Cloud is still showing no signs of moving on romantically with Tifa despite it being two years. He's still trying to find a way to reconnect with Aerith in the Promised Land. By the end of AC he has reconnected with Aerith and found the Promised Land. She lives on inside him, and it's more than just figuratively according to Nomura. He is able to let his friends back in emotionally now. This is when Cloud is happy. He still has his own separate room at Seventh Heaven, and now it has tons of pics of the fields of flowers and places he goes alongside his picture of all his living family of friends together. Not to mention the fresh flowers he's brought back with him that symbolize Aerith directly. There's nothing confusing. Cloud said what he wanted in the first game, and we had years of homages to his love for Aerith in other Square games. Cloti fans have just been ignoring and twisting stuff for decades.
@@chainclaw07 The initial plot of ff7 starts with aerith and it will also end with aerith. the remake is one of it's many endeavors cloud and the gang were playing checkers while aerith was playing chess. The reason why aerith pushes cloud away was as equivalent to a cancer patient telling her lover to find someone cause she' knew she gonna die. Aerith knew what was gonna happen to her. The final premise of ff7 was to be "a love that can never be" why? because the other is dead and that is aerith. the ending scene shows cloud reaching out to a hand whose wearing bangles = aerith. no matter what where how everything is revolving between these 2 one way or another
@@meyaflitzer5881 that's a take. Very different from me a 90s kid who never saw any promotional trailers for the game, I had no idea it was a "love that can never be"
@@dsimpleton Crisis Core was more recent than Maiden, if that’s the novel you mean and that shows that Square chose to show of the whole Zerith thing. Also Square re-released CC so it’s canon and not a retcon. Besides, this whole thing should be decided in the Remake, Aerith is with Cloud and Zack will likely join them at some point so she’ll choose whatever then
@@cosmiccomet_2705 agreed. I can totally accept that and will love whichever outcome but the overt romantic in me wants Cait Sith's prediction from the og to come true 🤣 and i apologize if i came off ignorant that wasnt my intention 🙏
@@cosmiccomet_2705 Zerith doesn't negate Clerith. Aerith can fall in love with two different people in her life time. Same for Cloud. After her death, when in the Lifestream, it's Cloud that Aerith describes as her "koibito" (lover) in Nojima's novella, not Zack.
@@nelneruc Cloud would still be a Shinra troop if it wasn’t for Zack’s coat tails. Cloud is Zack LITE and only serves as a reminder to Aerith of what a stud Zack was 🤫
@@UncleMike131lol cloud is ultimately treated as the one that defeated sephiroth even before mako bath, and in rebirth it is heavily implied that Sephiroth and Hojo regards Cloud as perfect Sephiroth clone. One of the strongest on the planet. He isnt Zack 'lite'. Like other mentioned Zack role always was to jumpstart Cloud to become a hero. Zack became literal hero for Cloud sacrificing himself for his friend.
@stavcy because they are not Aerith fans they are Zack fans, she had said so many times how she moved on from him and she rejected him in the lifestream. They just ignore Aerith's development and they just crash it just for Zack.
@@stavcy This is why I'm kinda disappointed the clip of the playground scene in 7R was cut off before its conclusion, Aerith's "Gotta look forward, not back." ....After a scene where she's talking more about Zack than any other point in the game....if that's not the clearest message of where Aerith's feelings are at, then I don't know what is. 🤷♀
Crisis core was done AFTER the original ff7, it was meant to cement Cloud's backstory and ff7 franchise. The original premise of ff7 was original thought because Nojima wanted a tragic lovestory, the first characters he thought of first was Cloud and Aerith, then he thought Cloud needed a right hand man, thus barret and everyone else after. Aerith in the original ff7 admits she sees cloud as cloud as time goes by
@@stardustdreams0he only had some mannerisms of zack. It was implied billion of times. Basically how he walks presents himselfs (first impressions). Like doing squats. Clouds personality is his own. This is in my view problem with translations/and nojima writing. Cloud has only fake persona of what ideal SOLDIER should present himself with mannerisms of attention both zack and sephiroth.
@@gibbs615uh, actually no it’s not. Neither of the ships are considered canon at all. Anyway, even if it isn’t canon, this is a tribute to Cloud and Aerith. Theres nothing wrong with that. You can like and support a ship that’s not endgame.
@@DarkRahnne Well I'm still saying Aerith belongs with Zack and I don't think she's really moved on from him. Besides she maybe seeing him again soon enough in FF7 Rebirth.
If you think that you need to pay more attention to the original game. That's why Aerith rejects Zacks and Cloud/Tifa relationship never moved from friends.
they do have romantic feelings towards each other however their time was cut short which hurt cloud deeply doesn't mean tifa and cloud don't have romantic feelings towards each other as well it's just that it is a different kind of love for each and the timing is always off it is a game about overcoming grieve
@lovestheworld Sorry but if you think FF7OG is a game about overcoming GRIEVE you need to play the game again. The thing is that Cloud never moved on from Aerith, his relationship with Tifa never evolved from friendship if that would have been the case that T and Cloud have a relationship why just not show it? Square has never been shy at showing their FF couples so...why not show it? Why would always Cloud appear looking for the promised land or revenge against Sephiroth? Tifa loves "Cloud". Cloud had a crush on Tifa. That has never changed.
@Alicekaitoyuuki why do u care what MY interpretation of a game is? he has romantic feelings for both idk why that strikes a chord with you but hey. the ending of AC indicates that he is opening his heart up again and moving on
him accepting a date as payment for being her bodyguard is all i needed to start shipping them 🥲🥲 especially how in remake they made him keep worrying about getting paid but with her he wasnt so pushy or fussy about money likeee 😭😭🩷🩷
1:01:09 OMG pls ignore the typo here, I meant to say Zack instead of Jack bye-
Lmao this is what i keep wondering who is jack
Lol Its Ok #Konoe Jack Sparrow Has A HISTORY Of Being Dead And Immortal
Chaos
HA! So funny. In a good way ^.^
no worries, I;m so into the vid I barely recognized it, like my brain automatically assume you're typing Zack. That's how far I'm into this game, damn.
Aerith is, the perfect supportive girl, totally sincere throw her chest to block your bullet, any sincere man would fall for her if they're in Cloud's shoes, it's everything a man ask for from a woman, dying loyalty
I think nothing has ever broken my brain more than the fact that I played all of OG FF7 twice without access to the internet and thought it was the most obvious shit ever that Cloud/Aerith was a tragic love story (without thinking there was even an alternative), just to finally discover the internet and realise that other people interpreted the whole love triangle completely differentely.
Still blows my mind. I'll die on the Cloud/Aerith hill though.
I completely agree. It just felt like those arguments were from another game.😂
I’m so late here but that’s exactly what I feel. Sometimes I wonder why we even try to justify it it’s like explaining 2+2 for real. For me there’s no doubt
Just because they prefer Tifa they go out of their way to persuade themselves that Cloud loves her
Its so annoying because they just think about Tifa, they never think about what Cloud wants and he had already said so many times.
Cloud wants Aerith.
LITERALLY SAME! I'm not even joking I went through the same thing after just watching some cutscenes on clearith. I remember being so devastated about Aerith dying and Cloud's depression and thought everyone felt the same and then imagine to my surprise the sheer insanity and amount of Clotis...like ya'll couldn't ship Sefikura instead? That makes way more damn sense like ok classic enemies to lovers and we all know it's not canon. But naaaahhh they died on a Cloti hill like Cloud and Aerith aren't constantly making an appearance in side games because they're the main couple. Like the dream sequence in remake didn't exist. Ok then. Fuck everything...
@@nelneruc "they never think about what Cloud wants" THIS RIGHT HERE. THIIIIS.
she is like cloud's heartbeat. wherever she gone, whatever she do always makes Cloud go out of character. when she tease him, he got off guard and buys her joke😂 when she got kidnapped, he try to save her and willing to climb damn 59 floors for her.. and all of that is a 'friendship' thing? no, he falls for her so that's why he do all of that shits. Advent Children is a story how lonely and dark Cloud's life without Aerith😔..for me, there is REASON why this FF7 got remake, not telling us the same storyline like before. I'm just hoping there is hope for Aerith to live. I'm already done seeing the dark Cloud, now I want a happy Cloud with nobody dying, but I know that might be impossible since we don't know what will happen next chapter..❤
I d have never thought it possible, neither wishable, though the way things go with rebirth and your comment make me envision this with a strange peace ..
more like thats zack speaking not cloudo
@Snuggie Agreed. The cherry-picking in this fandom when it comes to Clerith is repulsive. Cloud and Zack don't even act anything alike.
@@sunnysodapop They always reach for that gem even when there is absolutely *NOTHING* supporting it, It's pure fanfiction.
@@Addam_ fanfiction is the BEST way to describe Cloti...even Zerith when you take into consideration Aerith talks about moving on when she meets Cloud and Zack again in the lifestream...Cloti genuinely is NOTHING even without Clerith. There is so much relationship issues. Yet they tend to prefer Cloti over Clerith...the whole point of Clerith is love beyond death, it don't get more genuine than that hoe. You can't even say that Cloud loved both girls, he never loved Tifa. Cloud's crush on Tifa was that of a lonely, isolated boy wanting the attention of the most popular girl in town...she had something that he'd always craved, friends and admirers. That’s not love. Or even a crush. Not one based on personality and interaction at least. But who else can relate to this lonely childhood? Aerith. Can you imagine if they met as children?! Cloud wouldn't even leave the village or if he did, it would be to get stronger so he could come back and protect Aerith.
55:16 Say this once and saying it again: Aerith saved us all in FF7. Now its time for us to save her in FF7 REMAKE.
boy oh boy
@@oratomo4454 The price of freedom is steep.
@oratomo4454 how the turn tables
why she said that
Srsly, that scene where Cloud reacts to Aerith's (canon) best dress in 7R still blows my damn mind. Like, Clerith gets ALL of that, and Tifa/CloTi literally gets NOTHING like it, no matter what dress Tifa has on? He literally doesn't react like that to her at all? And hell, the scene where you "pick" Tifa in the sewers does far more confirmation for Clerith than it does anything for CloTi! Not to mention, any romance in Tifa's resolution scene is ambiguous at best, unlike in Cloud's resolution scene with Aerith, where romantic love is pretty much outright stated?? (Aerith tells Cloud he can't fall in love with her, and he pretty clearly disregards that---"Do I get I say in all this?" & "I'm coming for you" are so obviously him pushing back against what she said.) Not to mention other scenes you skipped over, like Cloud flat out denying that Tifa is his girlfriend when Aerith asks after they rescue the kids in ch 8, and says "it's not like that" when Aerith follows up her previous girlfriend question with "but she's someone special?". Or the way Aerith held his hand and calmed down Cloud later during his Seph Clone freakout? Or how Cloud looked MAD when Elmyra demanded that he stay away from her daughter? Or the entire train graveyard sequence when Aerith gets taken, how he was screaming for her, or the way he was demanding to know where she was when Tseng had her, or how he pleaded with Barret to get Aerith (and Aerith ONLY) to safety in Shinra Tower, like....JFC. Listen, I don't care if ppl don't like or don't want to ship Clerith---that's obvs fine, you do you. But I genuinely cannot understand the ppl who say that Clerith isn't canon, or that it has nothing going for it in comparison to CloTi, bc like....fucking hello??? Did we even play the same game??? And it's so annoying, bc it's like...Clerith and CloTi can both be canon at the same time! The willful blindness some ppl have, I tell you...
well, cloti got a kiss
@@gabrielletorres9885and it was optional.. Not part of the actual storyline what so ever
@@swagster7 i know! sorry if that came out rude (im more of an clerith person myself), im kinda new to the ffvii lore and ive seen a lot of people really arguing about which one of the ships is canon. I dont really get it bc even though i prefer aerith its kinda obvious the devs make both paths available for the girl the players prefer. Or maybe i just dont get the whole lore and theres actually a canon relationship idk about lol (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
@@gabrielletorres9885 oh no it’s okay! And yes i agree they’re both aimed at being canon, but i believe truly that it’s clerith that is canon, there has been more clerith than cloti in the games. But yes it’s really honestly up to the player at the end of the day which makes them both canon in a way, but story wise i think clerith is canon!
@@swagster7 I think of it like an implied canon.Something like the mass effect 3 ending in which we are given a choice, but the general consensus is that one ending is correct. I don't think devs will ever outright confirm that one is canon like how they did in FFX-2, but I think the story thematically fits a lot better with Clerith as the pairing, plus I think they have far more chemistry together.
I feel like I always have to mention this to CxT fans, Clouds mom says "I'd feel a lot better if you settled down with a nice girlfriend..." But she doesn't mention Tifa she's nice. Tifa is their neighbor and Clouds mom could have been like, " Tifa is here go and talk to her she'd be happy to see you." Or something like that but no.
Come on! Mamma knows best
Clouds mom would’ve loved Aerith so much :(
Not to mention....
Tifa: 20 yrs old
Cloud: 21
Aerith: 22
Claudia knew EXACTLY what she was saying, lmao.
The kind of woman she describes resembles Aerith, too.
I really love this, and also in World of Final Fantasy there is a escene between Cloud and Terra when she said "By killing him (Sephiroth) it will bring you back the woman that you lost? Take your love for her and turne it into hate?" and I was like OMG. And also in Fhnal Fantasy War of Lions, Cloud met a girl who was really similar to Aerith and he protected her, I adore this couple
CXT shippers just decided to ignore this lmao
Their chemistry in the original is just too palpable. It's obvious they have a connection. Seeing, again, how their relationship builds from the moment they meet melts my heart. I love Tifa so much, but Aeris and Cloud are the real deal. And Mena Suvari made Aerith sound like a lost little girl. She was older than him for chrissake AND she grew up in the slums.
about the flower, ppl said, "oh, okay Aerith gave it for free to Cloud, but he gave it to Tifa after that." um, you guys know they only just met right? i mean Aerith and Cloud. also, this is Cloud's 'first' new FF7 timeline, meanwhile the remake is Aerith's 2nd life. and remember when SE said they will make every Aerith dialogue with care, bcs she is that important, yea, when she said that, she meant her and Cloud reunion.
Also, he only gave Tifa the flower bc she asked about it. I'll bet you that if she didn't say anything about it, then he wouldn't have given it to her of his own volition. It's part of a trend that I noticed in 7R---Cloud literally NEVER takes his own initiative when it comes to Tifa. Ever.
1) Barret is the one who tells Cloud to hurry and see Tifa at 7th Heaven after the first bombing mission; despite knowing Tifa longer than Barret has, it still didn't cross Cloud's mind to realize that Tifa would be worried sick and to hurry back on his own, and Barret had to be the one to remind him (maybe bc he actually hardly knows her at all in reality, but shhh XP)
2) as mentioned, Cloud only gives Tifa the flower after she asks about it; despite having functioning ears when Aerith told him that lovers gave them as a symbol of reunion, and despite his supposedly great and everlasting love for Tifa, Cloud didn't take this opportunity to make his own move on Tifa (not to mention that he doesn't tell Tifa what it means, and she has to look that up later on her own...if he meant it that way, wouldn't he have told her what it means? also, I find it curious that Marlene describes it later to Aerith as "OUR flower" (emphasis mine); obviously Marlene asked Tifa about the flower, and imo, whatever Tifa said in response couldn't have given the impression that it was a romantic gesture, as Marlene clearly views this flower as a communal one, for lack of a better word, and we know from the OG that Marlene isn't above being a bit of a match-maker)
3) Marle starts continually badgering Cloud about being a better friend to Tifa, and to be there for her and to get her to open up, and Cloud eventually does try, but doesn't push it when Tifa keeps deflecting; imo, it's questionable as to whether he would've tried w/o Marle's interference (notably, when Aerith tries to deflect, like in the "Language of Flowers" scene.....Cloud doesn't let her? Hmm...)
4) Tifa literally has to order Cloud to compliment her after she makes him a drink 💀
5) Cloud was just....totally going to walk away and let Tifa go off on her Corneo mission, alone and with no backup, until Aerith ordered him to do otherwise (and later, he refuses to let Aerith go into Don Corneo's mansion alone, and despite his pride, was willing to dance and crossdress in order to go in with her so he could protect her (Clotis try to say that the crossdressing was for Tifa---no, it was literally for AERITH'S sake; also, doesn't matter that Tifa could probably protect Aerith just as well with "all the ass that [she] can kick"---no, no, Cloud PERSONALLY has to protect Aerith and keep her safe 👀)
6) according to the Ultimania, iirc, the reason why Cloud hugged Tifa during her resolution scene is bc he was mimicking BARRET, who had hugged Tifa earlier; also, Tifa was the one who hugged him, instead of him comforting her with a hug when she started crying, and she had to WALK OVER to him to do it, and it took several awkward moments before he would hug her back 💀💀💀
7) Cloud wouldn't high five Tifa, no matter how upset his lack of participation made her; when Aerith gets sad about him not high fiving her back, however, he immediately resolves to do better and try to be READY for it the next time?? Literally, is there a greater embodiment of the difference between the way Cloud acts with Aerith vs Tifa and the amount of effort he's willing to put in for them, even in this seemingly small little scene? 👀👀👀
And this was all just what was off the top of my head (and having 7 examples seemed apropos XP), I'm sure there are plenty of other examples one could point to.
The creators are literally teasing it, “lovers used to give these when they were reunited.” Last time I checked, this line was NOT in the original.
So basically, if Cloud gives Tifa the flower, it’s romantic and the creators are teasing them as being lovers who have reuinted. (Not saying it’s not, if that’s how you see it)
But when Aerith gives Cloud the flower, it’s not?
Considering it’s a remake, and Cloud and Aerith have finally been reuinted again too, why should it only apply to CXT and not CXA as well?
“Cloud gave Tifa a flower”
…and Aerith gave Cloud a flower.
@kiryn5977 You nailed it with these examples! If you'd like to add more, that would be great. It's really obvious that Cloud tries to be a good friend for Tifa, but Cloud's connection with Aerith is deeper and more meaningful, in my opinion!
honestly i forgot i've wrote this comment and yall replies made me think i was being attacked, holy 🧍🏻♀️🧍🏻♀️🧍🏻♀️
@@kiryn5977 yeaaa you're right. i agree with you 100%!
59:59 These images appear on the wall when Tifa is answering the phone in Cloud's room. It's interesting that Cloud has so many pictures with fields of flowers and Aerith appears in a field of flowers at the end. Unfortunately the story of FFVll is tragic and we never had the opportunity to see Cloud and Aerith with a happy ending. I hope this time he finds happiness, even though he is next to Tifa he is not happy although many think otherwise, Cloud is an empty character.
"I hope this time he finds happiness, even though he is next to Tifa he is not happy although many think otherwise, Cloud is an empty character." THIS. RIGHT. HERE. Advent Children showed that PERFECTLY yet somehow, Cloti shippers...their denial even after that is just...shocking and unbearable.
iirc (memory is kinda vague) in Advent Children in the original Japanese there is a line when Cloud is being healed where Tifa says, "You never left him." (referring to Aerith) However in English they translated it to "You never left us." Which is sort of a massive change.
@@Addam_ Now doesn't that just piss you off? Tf are the English translators doing butchering Clerith? This feels too damn intentional.
@@sunnysodapop Yeah, Japanese to English translations can be way off, often translators will add flavor text to make something sound better often changing the entire meaning of the phrase. In Advent Children "Complete" (the re-release) that same line from Tifa changed even more in English and is now, "Somehow, I knew you where there. Thank you."
@@Addam_ Adding flavor is one thing. This is just a load of bull.
In conclusion, it's CloudXAerith in every universe❤.
This was so lovely!! But I'm surprised you left out the scene in Advent children where Sephiroth asks Cloud what he cherishes most. Everyone else appears once but Aerith appears several times in his mind. Also in 'On the way to a smile' Aerith calls Cloud her 'lover'. The English translation says something else but in the original Japanese text and even in other languages, its lover. 🥰
The real tragedy of Final Fantasy seven is this. Aerith and Cloud. Sure at 16 she dated Zack. But he vanished and was gone for five years. And then he died. It’s unreasonable to expect a 16 year old girl to not move on. So she meets cloud, and is initially attracted to him because some thing about him reminds her of Zack, sure. But the romance between them blooms regardless. And then she dies. And cloud never gets over it. Sure he ends up with Tifa in the original game, but people forget that at the very end of the game as she is helping him climb out of the crater, he sees her hand as Aerith’s at first… Cloud then says something like, “I need to go back to the forgotten city… I think I can meet her there…” and Tifa just gets this look on her face like she’s been shattered.
This is not a happy story. It’s about losing love, and not being able to get over it. He is so not over it that Cloud and Tifa are clearly no longer together in Advent Children, Tifa’s first line in response to the phone, “he’s not here anymore…”
It’s heartbreaking for Aerith as she loses her first BF. Then starts to lose Cloud to Sephiroth’s control.
It’s heartbreaking for Cloud because he loses Aerith.
It’s heartbreaking for Tifa because she loses Cloud.
Or Barret. 😂 He also goes back to Barret.
@@cherxiong8064 Huge ass chocolate meat Cloud had on a date. Wstching Barret shoot at fireworks.
I have never understood this, that he ended with Tifa in the OG? Where? Even in one of the last scenes Cloud wants to meet Aerith in the promised land. He NOT THEY. And then Tifa tags a long and said that They could meet Aerith in the promised land.
Cloud has always been looking for Aerith.
Does he actually end up with Tifa? I haven't seen it anywhere in the games or animes
@serendipity2656 no, has never been confirmed, even in Advent Children they were still friends. Their relationship has never moved from friends.
In Advent Children, Tifa makes Cloud decide between the "memory of Aerith" or them as a family (Tifa,Marlene, Denzel, Cloud and Barret) and he still picks the "memory".
I love how Sora looks like their children when the 3 of them are together xD
I think this was my first real connection to true love. There was other media where I rooted for people to be together, but none had the same impact as these two. They were meant to meet, to travel together and fall in love and you really feel that in the game. Aeris has such a meaningful presence in the party and in Cloud's life that when she's cruelly taken away it leaves a void that can't and won't be filled. I was devestated and mourned her death as much as i would a loved one. That's how well they designed her character, to fit perfectly with Cloud, where they complimented each other and we felt his pain when she was gone.
That scene has stayed with me since the og and I've perpetually been on the lookout for any cameos they have, because no matter what world it is they'll always find each other.
It's cruel how Cloud lost her, he really loved Aerith and cared for her too as she did the same for him. Man, he really got done dirty, dude didn't deserve that to happen to him. Damn you sephiroth!
Honestly, CloTi shippers just seem to like Tifa, not Cloud, they want her to get what she wants because they insert themselves in Cloud (or Tifa if they're girls, and they simp for both), and they are biased to ignore everything Aerith related because they can't deal with the reality.
I don't see why CloTi wouldn't have been already confirmed openly like all of the canon pairing in the other instalments (even Lucretia and Vincent are confirmed canon) if they would have ended up together, Tifa is far more popular since AC, so why don't they openly scream and proclaim that CloTi it's canon? Because it isn't, it has never been and never will be. Clerith isn't canon just because it's the story of a love that could never be, but the feelings of affection between Cloud and Aerith are pretty canon, the only reason they're not together it's that she died, but in this new alternative timeline things might be different.
real!
yep. most of them just like the sexual tension, how they look good together and how tifa is "hotter" than aerith.
@@eita8946 That's really sad. People only prefer a couple based on how sexually attractive one partner looks than real romantic chemistry.
There was a small moment between them in KH 1 at the end credits you see them reunite its soo cute
Please i love this compilation, update with the KH 1 scene and with FF7 rebirth
Not for the first time, people will WILLFULLY blind themselves to the real, genuine and authentic romance in favor of choosing the girl that can fight and might be more physically attractive. Every time a Cloti shipper explains their love for the ship, they focus on Tifa. It's literally just them liking her appearance and confidence in fighting so naturally, they'll pair her up with the M.C. The only reason this fandom doesn't hate Aerith despite fandoms typically trashing on the sweet, pure girl that isn't a fighter and likes boys is because they can pair her off with Zack and dismiss her and Cloud with "Zack 's memories and the Mako" even though that theory is a plot hole the minute it comes out of their mouth. You see this so often in anime too, it's annoying as hell. They don't believe in Cloti, they just like Tifa on a shallow, surface level that's technically insulting to her character too.
Yes but in no way is Tifa more attractive than Aerith
@@kirak1561 Beauty's subjective or whatever but if majority of the fandom thought Aerith was more attractive, shipping wars would be between CloudxSephiroth and Clearith instead of Cloti.
@@sunnysodapop But there are people who look beautiful in general & Aerith is one of them
@@kirak1561 I never said she didn't. I'm just saying that most of the fandom disagrees. And it's for stupid reasons like that that Clearith ain't as popular as Cloti even though it's literally canon.
@@sunnysodapop Yeah I know what you mean. Cloti fans keep telling me Aerith & Cloud aren’t a thing & I always tell them they are wrong
Cloud and Aerith are truly a THING .
I think people misunderstand cloud and tifas relationship and mistake it for a romantic one.
Tifa definitely romantically interested in Cloud, and Cloud also hold dear Tifa in his heart, like a family. She obviously shown her effort in the OG, both in Mako poisoning incident and the pre final battle where they spend a night together below Highwind. Definitely married them both if I were Cloud
@@haysnairte4 Stop raving, you don't even know the characters of the ship you defend, Cloud and Tifa are shy and introverted, do you think they would do this on Highwind?
In a serious Japanese game LOL
"Definitely married them both if I were Cloud" that's why I don't like Cloti because everything comes down to Tifa NOTHING about Cloud Strife
How ff7 fandom in America is terrible distorted everything
@@mi.gmgirl6070RIGHT!!!!
@@mi.gmgirl6070 bet you feel pretty silly after they kissed in Rebirth huh?
The whole idea in the original AND the remake is that as Cloud you got to choose which side of the love triangle you wanted to lean towards. Both Tifa and Aerith have romantic feelings for Cloud and it's up to you the player to decide who he pursues.
If we're gonna talk "canon" well they do live together in Advent Children and have a couple adopted kids they mom and dad together. That's gotta count for something there. That said Cloud is also very clearly hung up on Aeriths death in the movie and its clear he saw her as more than just a friend.
@@jonbradley4044
Firstly in Rebirth Tifa's route makes no less sense especially if you played all the routes if you have neurons in your brain you understand the plot that is being told because in the canon Cloud tried to kill her because of Sephiroth and it almost came to fruition . Tifa is resentful she no longer trusts Cloud at that moment, Cloud feels extremely guilty. So the Gondola option player chooses Cloud kisses Tifa ??????, the characters are out of character. Nojima says that in that specific moment it feels like a dating sim he's been playing for 30 years, he himself doesn't take that scene seriously because he knows Cloud is out of character. The conclusion of this is nothing more than fanservice to please Tifa's fans.
Sources: FF7 Rebirth Ultimania, page 734
I wanted to know what it was like for the people who followed the Tifa route. The last few chapters, which are not optional, see The sight of Aerith in danger causes Cloud to break out of Sephiroth's control - something he wasn't able to do even when he was forced to almost kill Tifa earlier in the game. In the final moments they intertwine fingers (yes, romantically in Japan they are considered lovers).
Secondly, the biggest mistake of this fandom is that Cloud and Tifa live as a family in Advent Children, while the movie in Ultimanias just shows that their relationship is terrible and there is a lack of communication. They don't live as a couple, they have separate rooms. Oh, remember Barret (he exists) he lives with them too, and Marlene, is his daughter, not Cloud and Tifa. And about Denzel, Cloud believes Aerith brought it to him, but Tifa includes herself in this and says she brought it to us.
Sources: Tifa's Case (Advent children's novel)
Do you know why Cloud won the Geostigma?! Do you know the meaning of this disease?! If you know, he would never say that Aerith was just a friend to him.
Cloud and Tifa only canon fandom wiki where anyone can change status. Tifa has always been OPTIONAL for the player since 1997, this fandom has never accepted that.
If you prefer Cloti, that's your problem, no more fallacies and headcanon.
imagine could and aerith marry and get a child. the child how is look like?(Sora)same spiky hair with cloud. same colour hair with aerith
Sora is a pretty good example. I like to think of it that way.
In conclusion, Clerith is great 😊
And Zerith 🤔
@@JeremyS-mn6og why are you in a clerith video instead zerith one?
@@aerithroses2683 because he likes both...
@@Ali-chan-r7w of course
@@aerithroses2683Aerith loves Zack and Cloud right?So Both of Them
Advent children was very very dark...
Just look the picture of cloud and aerith ...
They're look sad
I played the OG in September 97’. Finished the game a dozen times before AC and CC came out. It was also the era without internet discussions.
I always had the Aerith date and didn’t know you could date others.
Recently I found out about the shipping wars. I love Tifa but I always thought she was a very good friend at the end of the OG - loved the lifestream scenes with her.
Aerith and Cloud will always be my main couple.
Recently I had some discussions with Tifa fans and my god they’re annoying: they refused to accept my view, while I respected theirs.
Looking forward to part 3!
Hey me too! I really wish I could go back some days.
#Clerith since 1997
Also, at 9:00, it wasn’t just that Aeris put herself in danger for Cloud, but more so that she wanted to spend more time with him. When you have that deep of a connection with someone, you get the urge to always want to be next to that person. I swear, for game sprites, this is romantic as hell. How can two people who met briefly, who never agreed to being boyfriend/girlfriend or even exchange so much as an "I love you" have so much chemistry? Aerith and Cloud all the way.
Someday their love story won't be sad (or maybe not)
This is why i love Aerith.
Fun fact: I did some Footage on me playing as Aerith in smasn and attacking 3 Clouds at training
It's so nice to have all those beautiful moments in one place, thank you for this... and thanks for shouting me out in the description! 💚
I agree
Good grief, this story... Aerith... Playing Rebirth took my capacity for sorrow opened it a thousand fold wide.
I never expected that a piece of fiction would (at any point) cause me the most emotional anguish in my life. And having a life with the death of closely held loved ones, I'm struggling with it.
So Beautiful! Thank you for all the wonderful memories. It’ll ALWAYS be Cloud & Aerith. Always…🤍🤍🤍
soo i had an interesting theory pop into my brain at the end of this vidoer morbious final fantasy. clopud can Remake something? sound familiar? that will be my head cannon until proven otherwise. - Remake Rebirth is Not sephiroths doing or aeriths. its CLOUD remaking things . so he can SAve aerith. . anywhere cloud goes sephiroth follows. so cloud is the one who gets to remake first. then (future aerith than and future sephiroth) . Hollow is litterally clouds sadness loss and feels hollow with out her. and in Rebirth.will we get future clouds rebirth? will we get aeriths rebirth? so they can both be togather?. omg please!
Rebirth has been out for a while now. Now some people can drop the idea that cloud and aerith liking each other is some kind of betrayal to zack, since he qccepted it when marlene told him they liked each other
The originals are always my favorite
Clerith the one and only real deal !!! 👌😎
I can't wait to watch this entire compilation of their love story ITS SO GOOD. I'm gonna eat well tonight lol
Will you upload an updated version once FF7 Rebirth and the third part of Remake are released?
Would be delighted if you made a second video in this series, if you are still creating videos that is.
Rebirth had some good moments with Cloud and Aerith as well as Cloud and Tifa too.
Hope part 3 will keep having cute flirty moments.
Spoiler:
While I can see valid points on both sides of the romance debate. I think a major reason why team Tifa has half its size … is do to not being able to accept letting go.
And also because Tifa has boobs...... You forgot about that. The Cloud and Tifa relationship as a whole is so bland compared to Cloud and Aerith, so it has to be the shallowness of the aesthetics of them both as a couple that appeals to that fandom.... I personally don't know what else it could possibly be cause there's nothing else there lol
@@koosh88215 Aerith has breasts as well but she's more covered up, so you don't see them.
@@sharynmorgan944yu know what aerith has… a whole lotta cake.
tbh with you, it's pretty much because ppl self insert themselves as cloud. tifa is like hinata in that sense, she's cute, but she's popular like that because she's strong and is oversexualized.
@@sharynmorgan944that's the point
Team Clerith!
Mmhmm this compilation is so sweet and comprehensive. Chefs kiss 😘
You gotta update with rebirth in it ❤️ nice job
mandy moore was such an awful pick for aerith in kh. i'm glad they got briana for the remake.
I feel like maybe the voice directing just wasn't that good because she is great as Rapunzel, her and Aerith are similar in personality so by all means she would've been great as her
Mandy Moore was wayyyy better than mena survari though-i felt like she didn't even try in AC
Mandy Moore voiced Aerith in KH1; who you're hearing is Mena Survari, who voiced Aerith in KH2 & AC. Mandy Moore was fantastic as Aerith in KH1, and the CC VA wasn't bad either (can't recall her name off the top of my head, but she was a new one). I do feel like Briana White is the best Aerith VA, tho.
Will never understand why such a big percentage of the ff7 fandom is so hellbent on spreading misinformation like saying tifa is the main heroine over aerith or that cloud never loved aerith lmao
righhhht
People thinking with their genitals instead of heart.. or brain. Because lets face it, Tifa is a thirst trap. Aerith is dressed like any plain Jane. Long dress, no thighs exposure, no boobas. Tifa is this hot smoking babe that if she drops something and bends to pick it up, you'll see all her treasures. Aerith could be wearing a potato sack as a dress, its not attractive at all. What Aerith is, however, is very full of personality, kindness, mischief, giggles and some hidden sadness. Tifa is a big girl that can take care of herself. Aerith depends on Cloud much more and acted more like the damsel in distress. Cloud feels like he has the strength needed to protect her, and he does. Tifa doesn't need that coddling and protection that Aerith does, and that makes him feel needed in her life. And i guess that's how it started in his heart.
@@MissusFail I think it's because Aerith dies in the end, but Tifa still lives. I think that's why a lot of people mistake Tifa to be the main heroine and love interest.
@@EvelynL.1112 If only it was that, then people wouldn't hate Aerith and instead would genuinely acknowledge her importance in Cloud's life. But they twist the narrative so much just to fit their delusion. I'm sure you know what i'm talking about
@@MissusFail Why should anyone hate Aerith? She's the one who saves the planet twice. She's also nice, sweet, and caring towards others despite having that stubborn streak.
59:54 That's a beautiful theory 💔
They all said this Zack-Cloud is not really true Cloud but hey, he might carry some of Zack desire but his personality stay the same so anything he feel with Aerith is real, beside of that, everything happen between them maybe similar at start (still, It's like destiny when he felt in to the church the same way Zack did) but very different experience after that, thay have a journey of their own, not like Zack who left her all the time and just talk through mail. Tifa maybe hot but she's like the perfect girl next door who good to everyone and Cloud is just one of her fans, nothing special happen between them in the past. Even after Aerith die, Tife may help Cloud get over being Seph clone but she's just being nice, she could do that to anyone in the team. In Advance Children, they're still appear to be a good friend, nothing more.
That is because they do not even understand the story. There is no such thing as "not the true Cloud" beyond a metaphorical expression. "Fake Cloud" is the same guy, the same consciousness. His brain just put up a facade to protect itself. But it is the same man nonetheless and a lot of what he normally is bleeds through.
@@Cetra29i agree. Especially in remake
The lines in Kingdom Hearts 2 reminds me of lines in Loveless play 😳
*_A_*
*_L O V E_*
*_E T E R N A L_*
I love this two 😍🌹
#clerith since 1997 ^.^
Wow thank you so much for putting this together. Who decided to cut onions while watching this video?? 😭 😭
Also what is the very last video from where Cloud supposedly enters the remake world? To me that is good evidence things will be different in the remake.
That is from a crossover event with a game (Mobile I guess?) called Mobius, supposedly it is the same Cloud as in Remake. th-cam.com/video/cQcGAQYIyKg/w-d-xo.html
The developers has stated that this is a love triangle, where tifa and aerith like cloud anf it is up to the player to decide witch one is prefered by themself. So there is no canon in that.
If you say aerith x cloud that means you are giving more attention to aerith sweetness and care than someone who is giving more attention to tifa incapacity to unlock her heart and be indecisive.
Man this comment section is just too deep
WWOOOWWW Not Even Jack Sparrow's Allowed Into The Livestream LOL XD HAHAHAHAHA XD
i love it. thank you
While this isn't related to final fantasy, is that voice at 57:23 the same as sojiro from persona 5?
It kinda does sound like him
Aerith " The first guy I ever loved"
Cloud " What's his name. I probably know him."
Aerith " Dio."
Oml I love this
Has anyone considered Tifack? Never know it might work.
Don't you mean, ZackTi? I think they definitely have a chance of working! They would be the perfect opposites-attract pairing just like Clerith! Tifa wants a hero to save her and Zack always wants to be a hero. Also as the first chapter in Rebirth proves, they bring out the best in each other than Cloud and Tifa. Tifa literally protects Zack from a Velociwing whereas Cloud has to protect Tifa from the same Enemy.
if you're looking for that ship in the fandom, its ship name is Zifa, jsyk. and yes, I do think Zifa works far better than Cloti or Zerith, tho I have many other ships that rank higher for me personally.
It definitely could work. After all, zack I'd basically what tifa envisioned when she thought of a super cool hero soldier who could come save her. But rebirth has me wanting zack with cissnei more than tifa
tengo una teoria y es que en el remake nos muestran a un Cloud hablandole a alguien y a otro cloud que solo llora y no dice nada... Por lo que hay un choque de universos o lineas temporales, el cloud original y el cloud del remake, pero en una la salva y en el otro no, si vemos hay dos esferas pero Aerith ya le habia dado su esfera a cloud y es la que tiene al final, mientras que la que murio en el original aun tenia esa esfere y callo en el agua... es complicado pero esto podria demostrar que Cloud si logro salvar a Aerith pero esta esta atrapada en una especie de linea de tiempo o en otro universo y otra prueba es la grieta que se ve en el cielo que solo cloud y Aerith pueden ver, esto se debe a que algo los une y yo digo que es esa esfera.
I believe that Cloud loves both Tifa and Aerith, just in different ways. And both relationships are equally important for his growth into the hero he needs to be.
As far as who is better for him romantically? Well, at the end of the day, how affectionate he is with either of them is entirely dependent on our choices as the players of the game, so it’s pretty difficult to tell which potential relationship is TRULY canon.
I’m personally Team Cloti simply because I truly believe Tifa and Cloud are more compatible with each other. But Aerith is an absolute angel, and I hated how she was cruelly ripped from us. And I can’t wait for Part 3 so we can take our revenge on Sephiroth.
But cloud loves tifa and that's why he wanted to be solider. Cause he lost memory. So he doesn't really remember so much about tifa and thier relationship. Maybe he likes areith but tifa is the one who meant to him. Probably That's why he didn't accept areith confess and areith may be know that he actually loves tifa and he doesn't remember that.
That's why she said if he loves her it doesn't real and She stills love zack. Now she trying to move on with cloud. (But I think she loves him as replacement of zack. Cause she said that cloud is similar to zack and that's why she loves him.)
Imma need an updated video of this from Rebirth and maybe Ever Crisis, please and thank you 🙏
59:34
Never saw this version with Aerith
Me neither. I’m sad it wasn’t included.
Thank you!
Tactics & Dissidia, too!!
Davy Jones: Now Lass How Did Ye Die
Aerith: Umm
Zack: (Sees Aerith) WAIT AERITH?????
Aerith: ZACK How Are You?
Zack: Whats Going On Wait Did Sephiroth
Aerith: Kill Me Yes
Will Turner: WAIT You Ended Up Like Me?
Aerith: Yes Why?
Will: I Was Killed The SAME Way
Aerith: (Wide Eyes) REALLY
Will: See I Even Have The Scar
Aerith: :) I'm Aerith
Will: Call Me Will Aerith
Aerith: Ask Me ANYTHING Will
Will: How Did You Die?
Aerith: I Was Killed When I Was Almost Done Praying But It Failed Here I'll Show You (Shows Will The Scar)
Will: I Lost My Heart
Aerith: Your Heart?
Will: Yes Why Is Your Hair Down?
Aerith: My Materia Fell
Will: Come Aboard The Dutchman And We'll Talk
Aerith: (Walks With Will To The Ship As She Explains Her Death)
What?
LMAO! Pirates of the Caribbean and Final Fantasy VII this is funny😂
We need an updated version now with rebirth out 😢💔
Imagine remake part 2 and 3, Zack and Tifa is very pissed until kicking them hard.
Atleast Angeal and Genesis come in a big stop.
Wait, what😂
zack guarding her gf😂😂😂
Wait… if Aerith’s POV of ‘death’ going to the other planet, didn’t that make it conclude she was just waiting for Zack on the other side (planet)?
My GOD it’s like a who new generation of people that are clueless that Aerith is woman that saves the world and her friends. And then cloud and tifa are the love story. Like…come on guys.
I feel like alot of Cloud and Aerith's chemistry is lost in the Remake. Cloud has better chemistry with Tifa in the new one, while original FF7, Aerith really steals the show..... until she doesn't :(
Whatever but she loves more Zack than cloud. In the game when cloud asked her, she doesn't deny. So she still loves Zack. She likes cloud because he is similar to Zach.
Maybe that's why she likes cloud and probably cloud just a replace of zack.
I think that yes- there was a romance that could have happened between them, but the relationship they ended up having was not "soulmates" or whatever. Aerith was nurturing and Cloud was opening up and trying to be supportive of her. that is not exclusively a romantic relationship. I think that's most apparent in the date in og and in remake, the night scene. she tells Cloud that they're not meant to be lovers in the night scene and in the date scene they don't do anything romantic like kiss or anything.
I don't have anything against people that ship them but to say that there factually WAS a love story is stretching it by a lot.
It's ambiguous in the og by design... but Cloud does get together with Tifa canonically under the Highwind. so Cloud's chosen Tifa as a mate rather than being "widowed" to Aerith.
I don't know many love stories that end with "and then he got together with another girl instead" ... except for HIMYM, i guess but look at how people reacted to that ending....
It's never said they that Tifa and Cloud together canonically. And in Remake she said she can't fall in love with him cause she knows she dies and doesn't want him to be in pain over it.
@@magicalgirl4 it's heavily implied that the night under the Highwind were they expressed their feelings and tifa says "words are not the only way to express your feelings" and they wake up om each other. However in Advent children we get to know that once Cloud got Geostigma he distanced himself from everyone again. But Tifa and Cloud shared a home then too but by the events of the movie he was out All the time. You could argue that only platonic things happened under the highwind and that the living arrangement doesn't have to mean romantic relationship... but there's clear reason to infer. Let's just agree that their relationship status is intentionally confusing to allow all shippers
@@chainclaw07 - First off, the Highwind scene has both high affection and low affection versions. There are also interpretations of the high affection Highwind scene that don't agree it implied sex at all, just embarrassment from having personal feelings overheard. Debatable fan interpretation of an optional scene isn't remotely conclusive.
No matter what the player chooses for dialogue in the original game or which version of any scene you get, the ending to the love triangle is always the same, where Cloud focuses on his desire to find Aerith in the Promised Land after getting his answer from the planet. He doesn't focus on Tifa after the hand reach. He's thinking about Aerith. "An answer from the Planet... the Promised Land... I think I can meet her... there." Tifa looks sad, bows her head, and agrees, actions that make sense for a woman realizing that Cloud, the man she's literally clinging to, loves someone else.
In Advent Children, Cloud and Barret both live at Seventh Heaven and have their own rooms. Nobody is living with Tifa romantically or sharing a room with her. Barret is doing lots of traveling to find new energy sources, so he's not at home as much, but he is very much part of their family of friends.
Meanwhile, Cloud's running bouquets to the Ancient City for Elmyra behind Tifa's back. He brings Denzel home with him because he believes Aerith brought the boy to him. The photo of Cloud, Denzel, Marlene, and Tifa on his desk shows him turning away from everyone else and looking miserable. Even before getting Geostigma and running off to live in Aerith's church, Cloud is still showing no signs of moving on romantically with Tifa despite it being two years. He's still trying to find a way to reconnect with Aerith in the Promised Land.
By the end of AC he has reconnected with Aerith and found the Promised Land. She lives on inside him, and it's more than just figuratively according to Nomura. He is able to let his friends back in emotionally now. This is when Cloud is happy. He still has his own separate room at Seventh Heaven, and now it has tons of pics of the fields of flowers and places he goes alongside his picture of all his living family of friends together. Not to mention the fresh flowers he's brought back with him that symbolize Aerith directly.
There's nothing confusing. Cloud said what he wanted in the first game, and we had years of homages to his love for Aerith in other Square games. Cloti fans have just been ignoring and twisting stuff for decades.
@@chainclaw07 The initial plot of ff7 starts with aerith and it will also end with aerith. the remake is one of it's many endeavors cloud and the gang were playing checkers while aerith was playing chess. The reason why aerith pushes cloud away was as equivalent to a cancer patient telling her lover to find someone cause she' knew she gonna die. Aerith knew what was gonna happen to her. The final premise of ff7 was to be "a love that can never be" why? because the other is dead and that is aerith. the ending scene shows cloud reaching out to a hand whose wearing bangles = aerith. no matter what where how everything is revolving between these 2 one way or another
@@meyaflitzer5881 that's a take. Very different from me a 90s kid who never saw any promotional trailers for the game, I had no idea it was a "love that can never be"
but Zerith
She flat out rejected him in the FFVII novel and said she loves Cloud more than Zack. The passage is on the video....also CC is totally a retcon.
@@dsimpleton Crisis Core was more recent than Maiden, if that’s the novel you mean and that shows that Square chose to show of the whole Zerith thing. Also Square re-released CC so it’s canon and not a retcon. Besides, this whole thing should be decided in the Remake, Aerith is with Cloud and Zack will likely join them at some point so she’ll choose whatever then
@@cosmiccomet_2705 agreed. I can totally accept that and will love whichever outcome but the overt romantic in me wants Cait Sith's prediction from the og to come true 🤣 and i apologize if i came off ignorant that wasnt my intention 🙏
@@dsimpleton Dw lol, we’re entitled to root for whichever pairing we want so no need to apologise
@@cosmiccomet_2705 Zerith doesn't negate Clerith.
Aerith can fall in love with two different people in her life time. Same for Cloud.
After her death, when in the Lifestream, it's Cloud that Aerith describes as her "koibito" (lover) in Nojima's novella, not Zack.
Zack > Cloud
Lie to yourself. FF7 it's a about Cloud not Zack, Zack is only important for the development of Cloud nothing more.
@@nelneruc Cloud would still be a Shinra troop if it wasn’t for Zack’s coat tails. Cloud is Zack LITE and only serves as a reminder to Aerith of what a stud Zack was 🤫
@@UncleMike131lol cloud is ultimately treated as the one that defeated sephiroth even before mako bath, and in rebirth it is heavily implied that Sephiroth and Hojo regards Cloud as perfect Sephiroth clone. One of the strongest on the planet. He isnt Zack 'lite'. Like other mentioned Zack role always was to jumpstart Cloud to become a hero. Zack became literal hero for Cloud sacrificing himself for his friend.
Yall fans know Zack already have Aerith, lol.
And? Since when you have to be with your first crush for ever?
@@nelnerucright like why’re people so hung up on the past 😂
@stavcy because they are not Aerith fans they are Zack fans, she had said so many times how she moved on from him and she rejected him in the lifestream. They just ignore Aerith's development and they just crash it just for Zack.
@@stavcy This is why I'm kinda disappointed the clip of the playground scene in 7R was cut off before its conclusion, Aerith's "Gotta look forward, not back." ....After a scene where she's talking more about Zack than any other point in the game....if that's not the clearest message of where Aerith's feelings are at, then I don't know what is. 🤷♀
Aerith is Zack’s love get over it
Us get over it? We’ve *been* over it. This is an excuse that does not change our minds at all 🙃
lmao even Aerith got over it, the call is coming from inside the house here
@@ayo6869 XD ye she got over it and she still chased someone who reminded her of her dead lover that she still acts like him 👍
Crisis core was done AFTER the original ff7, it was meant to cement Cloud's backstory and ff7 franchise. The original premise of ff7 was original thought because Nojima wanted a tragic lovestory, the first characters he thought of first was Cloud and Aerith, then he thought Cloud needed a right hand man, thus barret and everyone else after.
Aerith in the original ff7 admits she sees cloud as cloud as time goes by
@@stardustdreams0he only had some mannerisms of zack. It was implied billion of times. Basically how he walks presents himselfs (first impressions). Like doing squats. Clouds personality is his own. This is in my view problem with translations/and nojima writing. Cloud has only fake persona of what ideal SOLDIER should present himself with mannerisms of attention both zack and sephiroth.
This is really not right! Cloud belongs with Tifa and Aerith belongs with Zack.
This is really just your opinion! In fact, many people don’t see it in this way, and that should be respected 😊
@@stavcy Well it IS canon.
@@gibbs615uh, actually no it’s not. Neither of the ships are considered canon at all. Anyway, even if it isn’t canon, this is a tribute to Cloud and Aerith. Theres nothing wrong with that. You can like and support a ship that’s not endgame.
@@stavcy Yeah yeah whatever
@@DarkRahnne Well I'm still saying Aerith belongs with Zack and I don't think she's really moved on from him. Besides she maybe seeing him again soon enough in FF7 Rebirth.
Yeah except Cloud and Aerith dont love each other.
in denial :)
If you think that you need to pay more attention to the original game. That's why Aerith rejects Zacks and Cloud/Tifa relationship never moved from friends.
they do have romantic feelings towards each other however their time was cut short which hurt cloud deeply
doesn't mean tifa and cloud don't have romantic feelings towards each other as well
it's just that it is a different kind of love for each and the timing is always off
it is a game about overcoming grieve
@lovestheworld Sorry but if you think FF7OG is a game about overcoming GRIEVE you need to play the game again.
The thing is that Cloud never moved on from Aerith, his relationship with Tifa never evolved from friendship if that would have been the case that T and Cloud have a relationship why just not show it? Square has never been shy at showing their FF couples so...why not show it?
Why would always Cloud appear looking for the promised land or revenge against Sephiroth?
Tifa loves "Cloud".
Cloud had a crush on Tifa.
That has never changed.
@Alicekaitoyuuki why do u care what MY interpretation of a game is? he has romantic feelings for both idk why that strikes a chord with you but hey.
the ending of AC indicates that he is opening his heart up again and moving on
him accepting a date as payment for being her bodyguard is all i needed to start shipping them 🥲🥲 especially how in remake they made him keep worrying about getting paid but with her he wasnt so pushy or fussy about money likeee 😭😭🩷🩷