Delboy's Garage, 'Gedore Red' vs 'Gedore Blue' !
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- What's the difference between The Red and The Blue ?
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So use the red gedore until you can buy the blue ratchet
Dell, I really enjoy viewing your videos for two reasons. 1) they are about motorcycles, 2) you are a master communicator. Please keep them coming. Be always well.
Thank you for your kind words Peter.
36 years after starting my apprenticeship I still buy at least 1 tool a week . Today I ordered a stainless steel spade . Not much use on the bandit but I've got a load of sleepers to set and the fence bloke knicked my old one ! 👍🏻☮❤
That is awesome!... what kind of weirdo steals a shovel?! ;-/
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yep ! bloody thief ! 👍🏻☮❤
I too buy a tool every week or laybuy it if it upsets my balance. I prefer mastercraft as its cheaper than gedore red and comes with lifetime warrantym
Not all stainless steel is the same grade. I bought a s/s spade and it started to have spots of rust after storing!
Why didn't you get in contact with the fence guy and ask for it back? I don't expect he stole it, but rather told the kid to make sure he put all the tools on the truck when finished and yours went with them by mistake.
But it does make you wonder why a 'pro.' fencing Co. needed to borrow tools.
GEDORE: So it's RED for Mechanics, Blue for Technicians then. Are mechanics less skilled than technicians or could it be someone who likes to elevate their importance I wonder?
I bought a tiny Gedore red ratchet bitset from Lidl when they had them in. Been a lifesaver at work and does everything a treat. Even tightened Bosch ebike motor mounts with it using a pipe as extension. No damage yet.
I have the red kit and its awesome! There is only one weird thing about this set: the 16 mm and 21 mm sparkplug sockets are 1/2 and the 18 mm is 3/8. I needed the 16 mm 3/8 for my torgue wrech so I bought that one extra.
But you get a lot of bang for your buck for this set!
I have it to and i am happy with it... it's quality and an Allrounder 👌
i still have my Halfords 1/2" drive socket set that I bought about 43 years ago. They have had some brutal use. I'm hoping that something will break so I can see if they will honour the "Lifetime guarantee". To be fair I have bought a few new ratchet drives since then, and I mostly use 3/8" these days.
Tom Powell same here, although I bought mine about 31 years ago. Mega tools back then.
I have a 40 year old 1/2 drive Gedore,built like a tank,It has a function I have never seen on any other brand,,Put the selector lever in the middle and it becomes a breaker bar,rock solid,the amount of times I was under a truck trying to undo a siezed nut I would put a cheater pipe over the handle and it would do the job,,Gedore the very best tools you can buy along with Swedish brand Bahco.
+Stahlwille😊
The red set sure would look good in my garage! 😃
145 usd from Amazon, now you've got me thinking!
Ive had mine for a while now, and can guarantee you won't be disappointing.. ! have a good evening Harold, and take care.. D&Px
Back in the day when I was on construction sites installing electrical services, I had the cheapest crappiest tools for the job you could find. First reason, it was all I could afford :-) Apprentices didn't get paid much. Second was, if it was stolen, lost or a one way boomerang loan to someone it wasn't a huge expense to replace. What I did find most valuable though, is you didn't thrash your cheap bit of kit, because it would break. As such I guess you could say that with crappy gear, you (well I did) got a 'feel' for the load being exerted. That means a lot when tightening things up, or getting something sticky un done. Certainly helped me look beyond the tool, and more to the task at hand.
Cheers
Pete'.
Hi Pete, That's a great philosophy right there, specially the "working around the deficiencies of budget tools".. that will give you a sympathy for the work itself and teach you to take care... and i like the term "one way Boomerang loan"... never heard it put that way before... it seems ive been doing that for many years.. lol (hang on, isn't a one way boomerang called a stick..!? sorry, getting my coat)
Never seen cheap tools this way for starters. Very much true for me. Thanks for sharing and greetings from Brazil.
PS: In this neck of the woods, a Gedore blue socket set like that costs (converting coins) around a grand. Eye watering expensive.
Proxxon also do good rachet sets btw. I think the advantage of some cheaper tool kits is that things like driver bit attachments are something you think to replace, often people will wear ph2 or hex driver bits until theyre round instead of buying a new bit. Having a more affordable kit means people are willing to replace consumable parts more regularly.
I've got a Gedore socket set that was my dads. Must be around 50-60 years old and still working great.
Buy the Red and replace the bits that wear out with the Blue version.
That is basically what I tell the guys starting out in my trade. Buy a complete kit and replace it with better quality as needed.
I can't fault that, sounds like the best policy by far!
Excellent review, it s not easy to get the notion of quality across in a review like that where ppl can t experience it themselves but you did it! I think Gedore did a gj with their brand differentiation, introducing the red line giving amateurs an "easier to swallow" entry point into the brand... Wera or others neglect the market for ppl looking for a good yet still affordable entry into the world of DIY. I think many ppl turn their backs on DIY coz either the entry level point seems too high money-wise or it simply hasnt been fun doing your first steps when the tools at hand are a nuisance to get anything done with- cheap nasty stuff can quickly harm the enjoyment of doing one s first steps. So with the more affordable line up that still keeps essential qualities or offers a good package (like a more complete set for ppl starting out), you create future customers for the more premium stuff (even newbies can quickly tell the difference between decent and lovely) instead of ppl that turn their backs to all of it or go like "oh it s all crap either way".
I m at a point where I m just getting started, having found the courage to do little jobs at the car and I already want the blue line or look at other premium manufacturers but I m fully aware, it s too early to justify going big whilst I even lack most basics...and it d simply be too expensive at this stage. So I found the Gedore Red kit...a brand I didn t even know about before and already loving their approach.
Think I might end up with the very Gedore Red kit that brought me here and if my next car related DIY makes me as happy as the last ones, bah I guess the way you suggested was looking at a ratchet of their blue line...or sth else where I see benefits for the upcoming tasks. No matter what, thank you for this comparison!
still love the sound of an old school 1980s snap on ratchet. I've never found that sound since.
Well actually.. i have to agree with you.. i do love my old ratchet.. something satisfying about a 32 tooth gear..!
@@Moonfleet41 I still use my 3/8 dr snap on quick release ratchet on a daily basis that I treated my self to as a young apprentice back in 1978. its had a few mechanisms replaced under warranty over the years and the chrome is all worn away, but it still fits in my hand well. I often tease the other techs where I work as a lot of my tools are older than them. {and their parents in some cases}
nigel Unsworth same here it pays to buy quality they last many lifetimes
I bought this GEDORE RED Qty (172) Tool Set and I love it my friend. The tools and case are great quality. I love it!!! Next I will try to buy some GEDORE Blue Tools soon. Thank you so very much for helping me out and letting me know about this Awesome tool set. You are Awesome to my friend. GOD be with you always and bless you always. 😆😆😆😆😆
Outstanding video - because You go into the really relevant details AND You got all your facts 100% right - rare these days on YT / the internet.
May I add that the shape of the GEDORE ratchet's head is also much slimmer (pear-shaped) than the cheaper version and the overall ratchet weight is low for the larger than normal size.
Thanks for your kind words, am glad you approve!
Never heard of Gedore, thanks. I bought my 3/8 drive Kamasa set for £15.00 Around early 70's. Still great today.
🤪 here in south Africa its the premium brand
@@katlegomohlala5545 The quality speaks for itself. After nearly 50 years they are still as beautiful as when they were new. The ratchet sounds like new ! Tried to tick the thumbs up but it won't take it. I may have exagerated the price as well, can't remember exactly. Cheers :)
It should come with 3x10mm sockets cause we all loose the 10mm into the 3rd dimension at some point,I've been umming and ahhhing about getting a set since you shown the red a few years back
Thankfully the red set does have 3 x10mm sockets (one in each drive size)... but TBH, i started buying them by the gross a long time ago..lol ! if you do get the red set, you won't be disappointed mate..
Hey thanks for the review, 12:10 ratchet comparison - I can assure you the mechanism in both the Gedore and G.RED is the same I have checked it myself by disassembling both. The PAWL, spring sizes and weights are same, however I have observed 8-10gms more weight in the gear of BLUE v/s RED. Furthermore the clicking sound changes as per lubrication - the RED can make the same sound if well lubricated. I have noticed that the Gedore blue Ratchets always come well lubricated with dielectric grease - whereas the RED is not at all lubricated. You can check it yourself. hope it helps. Also the RED ratchet is not hollow. its the lack of lubrication which makes you feel that way :)
Great review! I have the Red kit and as a 'Brand conscious amateur' I am very happy and satisfied with that kit.
Thanks Del, watch the video a couple of times, read through the comments, bought the red socket set! Cheers😉👍🏻
Hope you enjoy it mate!
I guess that buying a "brand name" should give you some confidence in the quality but it just goes to show that even quality manufacturers cut corners when out sourcing their build. I would probably buy the red as a starter kit for a youngster learning to use tools but upgrade to the blue for more professional or prolonged use. Thanks for the insight.
I think if you actually saw up close and handled the red tools, you may think again.. there are certainly no corners cut in the quality as far as i can see, and ive been using mine for enough time now to know they are good....there is always 'better' out there obviously.. but i guess it just depends on how much work you put your tools through...
Grandpa left me Gedore and a few other tools from Remscheid. He bought it 65 years ago. Still working. Still use it. The Germans know to make great tools.
Totally agree, and isn't it wonderful to inherit old vintage tools, they have a soul all of their own, not to mention the memories and the sentimental value.
Buy the red and what you break replace with the blue.
Alot of us in the uk have the Halfords comprehensive set. With a lifetime guarantee you cant go far wrong. Ive had em for years and theyve been absolutely spot on. Im not a mechanic but for the diy occasional use theyre fantastic. Think i paid £150 for a 300 piece set.
Couldnt agree more Luke, i work on the tools and most of us use Halfords professional, occaisionally something will break, pop into Halfords and walk out with a new tool. Or you can pay the earth for Snap-on, when it breaks argue the toss with the Snap-On man when he turns up once a fortnight. The 300 piece set is the one i always recommend as a starting point.
Halfords socket sets and spanners are rumoured to be largely Gearwrench’s Signet brand tools re-badged. Nowt wrong with that - both brands have a good reputation from what I’ve heard. Gearwrench in particular are being recommended by many a US mechanic in TH-cam videos.
Bleu is for the home garage red is for bringing in your truck
Woulda loved to seen the inside finish on the sockets or mechanism inside those ratchets, just to see the differences in manufacturing/mechanism design and materials to get a more in depth idea of the differences instead of the externals and feel. Got a full facom socket set(1/4 and 1/2), and compared the insides to some cheapo's and even after 10 years of active use the facom insides are looking nicer than any cheap "mickymouse" (loved that one btw!) ones ive opend up! Tools are an investment for life, buy once cry once :)
Yeah, Facom tools have come on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years, proper front row stuff now... but TBH i really didn't feel that there would be much gained from opening up and dismantling the ratchets.. you can feel by hand, immediately, that they are a lot better, smooth and solid, not hollow and rattly like the red one... i think the real test will be in use over the years to come.. !
The Gedore Red socket wrenches use the swing-pawl mechanism, whereas the standard (Blue) Gedore uses a batwing-pawl mechanism.
Del, you are spot on regarding stating that the 3/8 is the most popular drive for use on motorcycles. I have been doing my own maintenance since I started biking in 1974 (Yamaha FS1E) and very rarely I have needed a 1/2 drive ratchet. I do appreciate quality tools and because I work for Rolls-Royce I can purchase Snap-on stuff at a discounted rate. I opted for the 3/8 FOD version of the ratchet as I use this at work. The FOD stands for Foreign Object Damage, this means the if the gear mechanism in the ratchet head fails then the ratchet retains all the pieces. This type costs more to manufacture, but the cost of a full jet engine strip to retrieve parts of a failed ratchet far out way the additional cost. I have used Bergen tools and find them very good for the price, although I was disappointed that you cannot buy a repair kit if the ratchet mechanism fails. I also own a Rolex Datejust watch as well as Snap-on tools, does this make me a watch and tool snob??
Hi Michael, good to hear from you... I have to agree with you, if you can afford to buy the best equipment, then it always pays you back in the long run, and I guess that goes for a watch too, that's the kind of watch you can own for a lifetime and pass on. Thank you for your input, it's good to hear from you Sir, all the best, Del
Would have been interesting to see the internal mechanisms of the ratchets. I noticed that they have different patterns on where the assembly screws are mounted. I strongly suspect that the ratchet design is more different than just the tooth count. Thanks for the vid.
72 or more teeth ratchets are plenty strong, even on cheaper models. The square itself will be the failure point 9/10. Especially on the quick release models you have there, where the square is drilled to house the pin and ball.
I have wondered that about the drilled boss itself.. but i guess you shouldn't be hauling on a ratchet hard enough to break that.. time for a solid breaker bar aye.
@@Moonfleet41 Absolutely, with the handle length of most ratchets you'd have to be mighty strong to snap that square off anyway. Just get the right tool for the job
Alright Del, before I was made redundant from Speedy Hire some years ago I had built up a fair size Teng set from thr tool suppliers... As soon as they started shutting down depots I brought in all my cheep shite from home and swapped it with the Teng tools. Sockets, spanners, allen key sets , screw drivers, the absolute works 😂 and the best thing was the manager said to me on my last day "don't forget to take your tools home with you Gaz... 😂 😂
Haha result, it was the same when I left the bus industry as a fitter, they were more than happy for me to take all my Gedore tools home!
I've been in the bus industry for the past ten years now, as a driver not a fitter.. I think they might notice if I pinched one of there deckers 😂
Thanks for the vid. I’ve been seeing Gedore Red here in the states and didn’t know what to think. For the price I think I’ll give them a go.
So... It sounds to me like the Red line is kinda the "pro-sumer" grade. Kind of a "both and neither" Good enough that pros could use it, but cheap enough that DIYers could afford it. Another excellent vid, brother. Hope Penny and yourself are doing well, as always. Shiny side up!
That's perfectly put brother, couldn't describe it better myself... shiney side up indeed, have a great week brother.
Just setting a scene - sat outside in 30 degree heat looking out over my lovely garden - BBQ turning a nice shade of grey almost ready for the beef brochettes - cold one on the go with another to follow.
What could make my evening complete i say? It's Tuesday and another Del video! (the Mrs. groans LOL)
Looking forward to this although slightly disapointed no work on the bikes, BUT there's always Friday to look forward to.
Sounds absolutely idyllic mate....if i had a BBQ id do the same..(and a garden for that matter ).. but i got a beer, so Cheers, and enjoy..
Halford Advance has always treated me well in the trade inviroment apart of the plastic case
yeah me too, i have some Halfords Professional too, and i always throw the cheap packaging away and lay them out in my tool draw..
German company but we produce most of the range in South Africa , mostly the Blue Range.
Bought a 1/2 inch drive RAC set from Argos bout 20 yrs ago.
That ratchet is a monster n I recently counted the teeth coz I was tempted to "upgrade" to Halfords Advanced. 72 teeth.
Man Ive swung on that thing over the years, not every day but DIY n its never missed a beat.
Only thing that broke in the whole set was a ratchet screw driver pretty early on thena 17 mm socket cracked on a new to me Vectras wheel nut in 2016.
Gedore ?
Ya can have it mate.
Great comparison review Del! I bought the same red set on your recommendation and am happy with it. I would like better but can't afford or justify the expense however, for my home garage and bike servicing, the red set is plenty good enough for what I do. Thanks for the heads up on this set, you're spot on with what you say 👍
Cheers buddy, this is an old video now, and am still using my Red set every day!
@@Moonfleet41 you're welcome, I'm pleased to hear it's still going strong. I have been following the channel since lockdown but there is still so much content I haven't seen yet 😀👍
Thank you for such kind support Michael, it's really appreciated !
I find it odd that the more expensive set has a ratchet with less teeth than the cheaper line. You say the pricier ratchet feels better and I can hear the sound difference but its still odd the more expensive ratchet has less teeth because that seems to be a big deal with every company anymore.
The gedore blue has no 3/8 because in germany usually we dont use 3/8.
We always have packs with either only one size or 1/4 and 1/2.
So for the price of the red set you can buy 1 (One) snap-on 3/8 ratchet, 80 teeth. But believe me, if you ever worked with that, you never want another ratchet in your life...
I also got a old style one like his snap-on, and even this old stuff feels a thousand times better (imo) than all my german stuff (Hazet, Gedore, etc)
The newer 80tooth is a whole other universe
Yea ive got snapon ratchets at home and work they are worth every penny and those multipal tooth ratchets suck in my opinion.they are weaker! But ive used quality tools for over forty years and have tried the cheap ones and there is no comparison. Seen guys buy cheap stuff over and over and im still using the same stuff i bought those years ago.
Snap on is still overpriced, but lifetime warrenty is applicable. So you only buy 1 ratchet in your life!
snap on Overpriced. Buy Hazet is the best
If you are a professional spanner Turner, the red kit is ideal for those out and about kind of jobs. I'd rather pick up that case and go, than decant my snap on tools into a tote box and probably lose half of them in the process.
Bloody good point well made mate... Never thought of it that way.!
Very good explanation, agree the Gedore blue hatchet has that satisfying handfeel. Despite having less teeth.
I know exactly what you mean about the ratchet, I love the sound and feel of a good quality one so would have to be the blue one that I couldn't afford! Used to always get Britool stuff but they have gone now but if you're looking for affordable quality I have found Bahco to be worth a look. Treated my son to one of their socket sets and was quite impressed
Thanks buddy, that's the second time I've heard good things about Bahco, and my word, that's a blast from the past, bring back Britool and King Dick aye... happy days!
@@Moonfleet41 king dick haven't gone anywhere buddy
@@TheCuriousBunny King Dick are still going strong! Just bought a 17mm combo spanner, and it is gorgeous! You definitely get what you pay for.
Thanks for the video. I think the cheaper kits have their place, and I will likely buy the red kit to stow in my car for longer trips. I may replace one or two key components with a proper Gedore or Hazet part, but most things in this kit will not be used often.
Like for the watch reference :)
Could you open up the ratchet for us to compare the internal mechanism instead of us just listening you feeling it
Nowadays there a ratchets with 6 pawls, turning 30 big teeth into 90 steps. (2 pawls opposite of each other per step for extra durability.)
Something still doesn’t stack up. I bought the red set two years ago on Delboy’s recommendation - I’ve not been disappointed but I already had a set of “Conventional” Gedore which comprised a single 3/8 drive, 12 sockets and NOTHING else - it cost just under £200 only six months earlier. At the time, a set like the Gedore “Blue” being reviewed here by Delboy would have been in the region of £1000 and possibly more - no question.
So, how come we’re now looking at £150ish for this set??
The answer sticks out like a dog’s nuts
1. Either Gedore realised they couldn’t sell tools at inflated prices and shot themselves in the foot by launching Gedore Red and had no choice but to drop their prices by around 80% 😳 or. . . . .
2. Gedore Blue is an up-Specced version of their tools, designed by Gedore but also now manufactured for Gedore in Taiwan, much like iPhones for Apple, whereas the Red is a generic off-the-shelf set for which the manufacturer offers branding.
My hunch is 2.
I can tell you with certainty that 2 - 3 years ago, the set you are now reviewing would have been around a grand - absolutely no question!!
Great review by the way.
It sounds like these are questions for Gedore themselves, perhaps you should pose them to them as it sounds more like a marketing enquiry, I'm not really bothered so much about the price one way or the other, my quest was to see if there really was a physical difference. Thanks for watching mate.
Apologies Delboy - I didn’t mean to sound like I was slighting your excellent and interesting review and although not your remit, I’m genuinely puzzled by the pricing of this conventional set. Either way, I am happy to buy with confidence because Gedore won’t risk their brand name by applying it to rubbish and I’ve been more than happy with the Gedore Red and another plus is the availability of sockets etc to replace any lost which is a big plus in my eyes.
It seems that the ratchets in this set are made in Germany, but the sockets are made elsewhere. That explains both the lower than expected price and the lack of difference between the blue and red socket.
Last I checked, a completely German made Gedore socket set (albeit more comprehensive than the one in this video and a bit closer to the red one shown here) was >€1000 MSRP and +- €750 on Amazon Germany (where German tools are usually prices lowest, not counting potentially unreliable Ebay sellers).
Hmmm, sort of fed up with advertising!
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Wahhhhhhhhh. Poor baby
Finally somebody did it. Thank you very much!!
When I start buying/collecting tools in the mid 70's, Gedore tools were my like of tools and the best tools till today according to my opinion, just superior craftsmen ship. There were no Gedore Red tools in that days, only the blue. + - 50 years later, I am still using that same tools, still mint condition and still buying them. They are just manufactures to perfection. I will not buy any other tool than Gedore (Blue), absolutely the best. Look after your tools (Gedore) and they will last forever just as Gedore promise a lifetime guarantee / warranty.
You really are an excellent communicator. A very interesting and informative video.
Wow, thank you!
The only thing in that blue made in Germany is the ratchet's everything else is made in Taiwan!
The German factory is in Taiwan, the tools are made by Germans.
I remember you doing a review years ago saying no matter what socket you use you will always use your ratchet handle. I went out and bought a decent ratchet handle on that piece of wisedom and have never looked back.
Thanks mate, am glad that worked out for you, it's still sound advice today, and I see if both these kits, at their price levels, they put good ratchets in!
That recovery rate makes a big difference in tight spaces.
I just moved here to Europe from the usa. I broke more snaps on tools then cheap ones. No wonder the tool man will give you two for one on a trade in on old snap on tools. Meaning 70s 80s early 90s tools. 🤣🤣 I went with sonic. Now looking for a cheap kit to keep in the vehicle. Thanks for the great video.
That makes no sense to me considering most other tools are made in China, Taiwan, etc with cheaper materials. The only reason I could see that as being the case is youre pushing the Snap On tools harder because theyre supposed to be able to handle it. I think Ive maybe broken 5 Snap On tools in the almost 15 years so far as a tech. One of them was an old dead blow I bought at an auction that was already dried out and crusty so I knew first couple hits it was gonna let loose and sure enough, it literally disintegrated in my hands. Rounded and twisted some Torx bit socks here and there and I think I split one socket and Im pretty sure I got it at an auction as well so it was probably damaged already.
That makes no sense to me considering most other tools are made in China, Taiwan, etc with cheaper materials. The only reason I could see that as being the case is youre pushing the Snap On tools harder because theyre supposed to be able to handle it. I think Ive maybe broken 5 Snap On tools in the almost 15 years so far as a tech. One of them was an old dead blow I bought at an auction that was already dried out and crusty so I knew first couple hits it was gonna let loose and sure enough, it literally disintegrated in my hands. Rounded and twisted some Torx bit socks here and there and I think I split one socket and Im pretty sure I got it at an auction as well so it was probably damaged already.
Gday mate years ago in 1976 i bought a cheap socket set to work on my honda 550 supersport from a company called kingchrome at a dirt cheap price , basically a new player /rival for the well established sidchrome brand ,i don't have all the sockets now but still have a fair amount of them and they have seen me through 30 odd years of car and bike mechanical work , now kingchrome tools are some of the most expensive in australia as well as sidchrome which was always known as the profesionals tool .
Great story mate thanks for sharing!
Very interesting - thanks Del I appreciate hearing your views on the difference, a great way to spend 17 minutes!
Thank you Sir, I guess it was a bit long I'm afraid, but wanted to cover all the bases and give a square opinion, thank you for your support, as ever, it all helps keep the videos rolling, D&Px
@@Moonfleet41 it wasn't too long - it was comprehensive! :-)
I have the red kit, as its all in one place, I actually got rid of my origonal Gedore sockets I have had since I was a chimp at the bus depot. We were supplied all Gedore on day one, and a few got lost over the years and I couln't make a full kit so I got rid, tidied the box up with the red kit, only issue I can see is that you might need the multi point option the odd time
One differents between the 2 is that the blue version sockets can also be used for impact tools. So i think the red one is more comprehensive, the blue one is more efficient.
Are you sure? I thought that for impact sockets, more suitable chrome-molybdenum steel alloy is used. At least every socket manufacturer / reseller I've come across had it that way.
Great review..you pay for quality like most of the time..
Thanks.
I've learned my lesson the hard way a few times from this, there are something's in life you can risk, the rest: Research Research Research
Hello, although I listened carefully to your video, I couldn't understand it because I don't speak English 😃 I have a question, which one should I buy to maintain my own motorbike? Is it red? Is it blue?
Gedore Red: "we pass on our slavings to you"
It sounds to me like you made this video to justify buying Gedore Blue after using Gedore Red for 2 years without any problems...
Also nice to see you making assumptions about product design, quality and price points without taking a look at the internal of the products, quality of steel used, required tolerances and so on. Not even starting about price points on tools that are largely based on what a customer thinks a product should cost vs. what a tool actually costs to make.
I have sold tools for many, many years and my last employer was a big Taiwanese brand. And to understand the global tool market, nowadays you first need to understand the Taiwanese tool market and how their production process works. It has taken me several years to fully understand it...
I'm a DIY mechanic, and I've very good experience with Taiwanese tools! They aren't bad at all in my opinion. My favourite is the Hans tools. Very good quality, they feels good in the hand, good to work with them. The second favourite is the King Tony tools. As good as the Hans, but a little bulkier. There aren't any problem with King Tony either. I've a Genius HS-024M wrench set, Genius Tool is a Canadian brand, but these wrenches was made in Taiwan too. They are stong as hell! I don't think the Taiwanese tools are garbage.... certanly they are a little behind the big brand names, but they are good, for a fragment price of a big name tool. I'm curious about Your opinion about Taiwanese tools.
I dare say that products made in Taiwan are many times way better than many expensive brands.
Im a professional and i work with FORCE brand at least for a decade and i never have a problem.
By the way thank you very much for the video i already order the red one👍.
That was an excellent video Del particularly when you showed us the difference between 36(?), 60 & 72 ratchet drivers. Really good way of showing what is REALLY important and what's not quite so important.
That it is... pay a bit more for the thing that is going to be in your hand, can cheap out on most sockets, but it is a good starting point.
Never been a huge fan of the "chain store" type kits. However, mate of mine recommended the Halfords Advanced with its lifetime warranty 🤔. Anyway, got the big kit on offer and greatly reduced. About 2 years later, one of the ratchets went tits up, time to test the warranty! Went into Halford, no receipt (easy get out for them), went to one of the staff and explained that the item was broken. She took it off me, and with a "just wait here sir" she disappeared. Expecting the usual excuses...... So wrong! Out she came brand new ratchet, "here's your new ratchet sir, anything else?" I was stunned. Well done Halfords! Best ratchet I ever had (before it was stolen 😡) was a gear less Britool, it would engage after the slightest movement. Sorry for the ramble. RSMB. Be safe you two.
Yeah, good job Halfords, the whole company has stepped up its game since shedding the daft "Ripspeed' thing selling all the HiFi and Amps etc... who ever they have placed in charge of tool operations at their head office has truly got it right... they know there is a hill of competition out there from the premium brands, lifetime no quibble guarantees are standard now, and the kind of service you had there is the only way they'll shake off the crappy "Max Power" image they got known for..! like they same bruv, "it's a lot harder to build a good reputation than it is to lose one"..!
I just bought a Gedore Red Torque wrench, 60-300nm, to do my cars wheels and my bikes axles and I am very impressed. It is a very nicely made and very solid piece of kit, I paid 88 euros on amazon. It comes with a complete test calibration sheet. I have a smaller Kraftwerk 10-60nm torque wrench and it's nowhere near as nicely made but the same price.
Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great endorsement!
you said the blue had a recovery rate of 5 degrees. It is really 6... but thats fine haha
The red tool kit would be cheaper to replace when it got stolen from your van, which is much more likely to happen than it breaking due to quality issues.
Now that's a sensible and practical man speaking... too true indeed mate.
Great review and comparison, loved that. I do remember years ago when you referred to tools as house of straw and house of bricks for getting started and I loved that analogy, thought it was going to come up again today. Keep up the great work Del and Penny. All the best guys. 😊
Thanks for your kind message mate, we're glad you enjoyed the video... thanks for your support, keep well and ride safe, D&Px
OK...how many of you went right out to your tool box to count the teeth on your ratchet? I did. To my dismay, I found out that the 3/8 ratchet that I've been happily using for many years only has 25. All these years, blissfully unaware that the tooth count was even a thing. Thanks a lot Del ... now I may have to go out and buy a good one!
Haha sorry mate, up until about 10yrs ago all ratchets were 32 or less, usually... it's a recent thing since they've been able to develop smaller teeth that are still strong enough, 60 is max. you'll ever need, but if you're going to go that way, don't buy some cheap and nasty ratchet cos the teeth won't last very long, they have to be a quality item like these.
I bet Gedore Red are made by Teng tools of Taiwan. many makes and brands are outsourced to them
the price difference is not because of different mechanism of ratchets - its because of the precision in sizes of sockets, Forging time & Hardness of metal and of course labor cost
labor cost ? Nail on head..
And then you have the Hazet hiper 1/2" ratchet which is rated for 1000Nm
If you're not impressed with the red I'll have them thank you
Perhaps "Triumph Red" should be a thing from this year on!
You're not wrong mate, when I bought my Scrambler new in 2013, it was £7k, the same bike now is nearly £12k, granted it's a slightly improved bike, but not five grand's worth more... Harley did it with the 750 Street, and it's worked pretty well for them, so am inclined to agree... if we can get the younger oncoming riders on to Triumphs, rather than Chinese bikes, then that would definitely be bonus! Stay safe buddy, chat soon, D&Px
You had me at made in "Germany" ..Obviously going to be quality ..Everybody knows if you want to have something solid ...always ask a German
I like to use „Hazet“ and „Stahlwille“, but i got to say that i like my „Snap-On“ stuff WAY more. Handling and feel is (i.m.o.) superior to all german quality tools. Talking about ratchets, sockets, etc
Well I wasn't expecting that ! What an interesting video '🙂 Two things for me the number of teeth a rachet has , and yes I too have had that where you need more teeth as your in a confined space and 3/8 is the better size when working on a bike. Definitely going to alter my tool kit now. I know you wasn't dissing Snap On and they're tools I have always desired but it is interesting to listen to you comparison with you old SO to these cheaper ones. Whilst I have your attention searched through and couldn't find you have done anything on replacing brake fluid on an ABS equipped bike any chance of doing one. I asked as I want to do it on my BMW GS & none of the videos explain it as well as you do on your tutorials. Stay safe
This is the only ABS change I've done, not on a BMW, but the principle is the same, unless you want to fully purge the entire system, in which case it's a trip tot he dealer, hope this helps: th-cam.com/video/ttgOvnGgrfU/w-d-xo.html
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks I will have a look at it.
Even snapon, matco, mac, and cornwell have an economy base line of tools made overseas that still have lifetime warranty and arent bad products, i use namebrand daily and their cheaper line at home but still use snapon ratchets and quality screwdrivers and extentions. Good screwdrivers are as needed as good ratchet.
Wise words well said mate... back in the days i was building up my collection, i spent twice as much on Blue Point as i did in Snap-On.. and still have both in good working order..!
So what is the difference then between Gedore blue/red and Carolus Tools by Gedore?. I like Gedore tools as years ago when a first started working in the mid 80's a new machine would turn from Germany with a nice new Gedore / Dowidat tool box, bits of which would disappear into my private collection at home. Now they turn up with Matador a cheaper German brand. One thing i like are the old style Gedore T-bar where the tommy bar goes through the shaft rather than having the 1/2" adapter fitted onto it, with dimples in the middle of the tommy bar making it so you can spin it round and it stays balanced up for speed. Nobody makes them like that anymore and i can't even find a old picture of one anywhere.
P.S Any reviews on Gedore, Stahlwille, Wera, Wiha, Knipex and Starrett are most welcome.
(BTW...I am a self confessed tool snob and i'm not receiving any treatment for this costly affliction.)
Hi Ernest, Simply put, "Gedore Red" is the new name for what was previously called "Gedore Carolas".. just a bit of a rebranding kick to bring the two product lines together.. (Red and Blue, that is !)
Great explanation of the visceral difference between the ratchets. Very worthwhile video in these days of more for less is better. Yes a cheap tool may do the job once but sometimes not even that and I am talking from experience... buy sensibly, buy once (normal wear and tear excluded, exclusions apply, the value of your investment may go up or down....)
Ha ha, good disclaimer at the end there Jason.. !!! but you're right.. a really bad hand tool is like using a worn out tool, it can needlessly round off a fastener and end up costing you ten times the difference of buying a better tool in the first place.. !
Class review Del really injoyed that just goes to show when u were saying where thay were made the difference in the handels. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it mate, just spoke it as I found it.
Hi Del & Penny, in this 'puter driven world of lists for everything, do any of the tool makers or dealers compile 'kits' of hand tools specific to known makes & model of bike? eg. 'Fed up fiddling with metric multis & bought a new Sportster, what will I need? Ans. Imperial equiv. sockets & spanners X,Y & Z, & a six foot cracking bar (joking: 5' is fine).
Easier to top up your own 'kit' too, if you already know what you'll need to reach some (parentless part), let alone undo it.
Comprehensive kits are lovely to look at & comforting to have around, but how many will remain unused on YOUR bike?
(Before anyone asks - No, I don't want to sit down & 'work it all out' either, but someone 'useful' might!) Have fun : ) x
Lod dude, Japanese bikes will generally use JIS (Japanese Industrials Standards) cross-head #1 & #2 (modern DIN-standard Philips head screwdrivers will work but beware of older Philips screwdrivers as they don't fit properly) as well as the JIS bolt sizes: 8,10,12,14,17,19 (3/4"),22mm. You might find the odd Torx on there or the odd 11mm, 13mm or 15mm on European parts, like say a Brembo calliper.
Hi there Delll boy , what about a comparison between Wurth and Gedore socket set?! What would be your opinion which one of those two would be better? Many thanks!
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Great review! Thanks a lot
Good price
I bought this Red kit not long after I watched your video back then for some ridiculous price of around 105 euros. All I can say, for the money, you can't go wrong with the Red one. I've done all my bike services with it, never skipped a beat. I don't use it often which I believe is the key, but when I need it it always delivers. I even lend some sockets to my neighbor who has a tire repair shop, he was completely satisfied with them. Cheers!
Thanks for the feedback mate, can't say fairer than that.!
Force ratchets are still 24 teeth
A German company manufacturers in the Far East and charges less than it does for it's products made in Germany. Does that mean that BMW's will become cheaper? 😉
Wouldn't that be nice! We probably still couldn't afford them...
Nice review for a great tools factory Gedore of Wuppertal,Germany.
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Excellent comparison, certainly got me thinking. I have a Draper socket set which was bought for me 40 odd years ago and that is still going strong and has handled some really tough jobs, however, I am not sure if the quality of Draper has gone down hill a bit, maybe they outsource their manufacture similar to the Gedore red set? My kit cost about £50 in the late 70's and was a high quality kit which has stood the test of time.
Draper are not what they once were. They do have a more premium brand now though called Draper Expert, where they’ve seemingly got some sort of tie-in with Britool and Facom (all three use the same Expert logo/typeface). It seems to be Draper’s top end brand, and simultaneously Facom’s value brand. Not sure how Britool fits into that though.
@@BungleBare Stanley Black & Decker who own Facom have completely phased out "Britool Expert" now, all you can get is "New/Old Stock". In the USA its just called "Expert" and Mac Tools (Also owned by Stanley) sell it on their tool vans as their answer to Snap-on's "Blue Point" range of affordable(??) tools aimed at the "Prosumer and Apprentice" Markets. Same in Europe where Facom is the Mac or Snap-On competiton brand and Facom Expert is the lower level. Same warranty just made in the far east.
Draper's Expert typeface is completely different and they are not a related brand in any way, shape or form.
I have a 3/8" 72 teeth Snap-on ratchet that I bought as 'worn out'(?) USAF salvage in 1965. It has been widely used and abused and could do with a refurb. It is as smooth as a baby's wotsit although a PITA as the lever is missing! The beauty of it is that you can ratchet a loose nut or bolt as the return is so easy. The 3/8" Britool ratchet is by contrast very clunky and impossible to use on a loose nut or bolt as they just move back and forth with the ratchet action - there are times when you can get a socket on the nut/bolt but can't put any resistance on the turning to get the ratchet action.
My go to tools now are Britool (cheaper than sister company Facom but equal quality). I seen no point in paying for new Snap-on kit as I won't live that long and TBH they aren't that much better.
My only Gedore tool is an adjustable spanner that is the go-to of the range of adjustables that I have. I have always considered Gedore as good quality, reliable but without finesse.
Yeah, that's known as 'back drag' and something that most reviews seem to miss when comparing ratchets. I'd also be great to know the actual return angle including slop/play, instead of the totally theoretical return angle that's on the spec sheet (and that's calculated by the number of teeth, instead of actually measured). I have a high tooth count (76) Wera ratchet where the play in the mechanism is very noticeable. It's a great ratchet otherwise and the return angle is still relatively small. It's just nowhere near the 4,7 degrees on the spec sheet. And this goes for nearly every ratchet I have (2 Bahco, 2 Lidl/Parkside, 2 Wera and a few old cheap ones).
Lovely video and found a new channel to scavenge to find some info for my motorcycle maintenance! During my latest endeavours with my motorcycle I found my tools to be lacking, e.g. needed 12 and 14 socket for a bigger rachet, and wanted to buy a new socket set to be able to tackle everything. The Red set covers all that, but the Blue seems better suitable for a lifetime investment if I look at the benefits you pointed out and align this to my preferences. Do you have any recommendations on sets of the Blue coming closest to the versatility of the Red?
Hi buddy, great debate and a simple answer to it... it concerns the words 'lifetime investment'... if you're a professional mechanic, working 40hrs a week with the tools in your hand, then nothing will last a lifetime, not even Snap-On (ask any mechanic!), but if you're a say, once a week amateur, then the Gedore Blue is overkill at the price... I would say you need the Red set because as a weekend amateur the set will last a lifetime, just maybe replace the heavily used sockets that get worn on an individual one by one basis, like 10mm and 12mm etc., ... at least that way you haven't spent money on tools that you'll never wear out... just my opionon mate, hope it helps!
@Delboy's Garage thank you for your reply! That's going to be some additional thinking then. I don't use them professionally, but when I use them, I prefer to enjoy them as much as possible and don't want the tools to be holding me back. I've also come across some discounted Wera sets to consider as well. Any of these sets would then likely last me a lifetime, it just seems more like a trade-off between easy/comfort of using and the costs
Hi , Del Bro , lol from India , the catch is in emerging economies is that if you can't dare to date the older sibling then why not the younger beauty from the same family ! It is better to go for tools made in Taiwan than to gorge on tools emanating from P R China , that regime which is a blatant boorish uncouth & ethicsless lout & a curse on humanity !
Very good review Del. I'm happy you advertise only quality tools, not like other TH-camrs that would advertise whatever scrap just to get paid for it. Gedore is a pretty renowned tool manufacturer here in Germany.
Thank Bogdan, Gedore is a pretty renowned tool company here in England too, i had my first Gedore tool given to me over 30 years ago, and still have the in good condition today... Tools for a lifetime. Thank you for your feedback my friend, we try to pass on opinions that can help people make the right choices. 👍
Great video there with very nice and detailed explanation.
Do you know if those sets come both with a lifetime warranty?
That question is best researched on the Gedore website under their terms and conditions, you know how it is, all warranties have conditions, even Snap-On! I've had a dozen Snap-On warranty claims refused over the years, so best to look it up to be sure...
@@Moonfleet41 cheers mate.. I ve got a suspicion though that from the blue set only the rachets are of higher quality.. Judging from the price of a 3/8 drive rachet set which is 250+ this set including 2 rachets, extentions and screwdriver bits is only 160? Doesn't make sense..
@@JP-lz4fp Yes, only the ratchets seem German made. The sockets seem made in Taiwan. The fully German made Gedore sets sell for €400+.
Gedore blue and Stahlwille better than snap on.