Conscripts vs Grand Cannons - Same Cost - Red Alert 2

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  • @smokingcrab2290
    @smokingcrab2290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    It's amazing how much of a boost the conscripts get with just one promotion

    • @tinyplaidninjas8868
      @tinyplaidninjas8868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      The game doesn't expect you to keep conscripts alive for that long, so they reward you for doing so

    • @genx589x
      @genx589x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      They went from firing the ppsh to a rapid fire .50 bmg lol

    • @LCTesla
      @LCTesla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      it's because they survive the first hit. huge difference.

    • @muntadar1655
      @muntadar1655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The horrors of war are the best training, comrade

    • @vipermoon_
      @vipermoon_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Conscripts go from zero training to the best kind of training-real life.

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    "Now Field Marsal Hauge has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field!"
    "Ah, will this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly to the enemy sir."
    "How could you possibly know that, it's classified information?"

    • @cristsan4171
      @cristsan4171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Captain Blackadder has deserted

    • @bificommander7472
      @bificommander7472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "That's the way we did it last time. And the seventeen times before that."
      Actually, these conscripts-vs tests have probably been done more than 18 times.

  • @TheValentineEnemy
    @TheValentineEnemy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    You know something is dangerous if it is able to compete with the conscript horde.

    • @primisimperator2189
      @primisimperator2189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Strength in Numbers, my friend. Strength in Numbers.

    • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
      @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@primisimperator2189
      France: *Flying the white flag - this is why CNCnet exclude it due to how dangerous yet tricky the Grand Cannons are
      Korea: "Standing by." - Black Eagle's quote when selected.
      Russia: "No charge for extra power!" - Tesla Tank
      “Endless tango of economic sanctions...” - Dmitry Medvedev, no matter what the Soviets even used the Grand Cannons in Last Chance (Westwood/EA original map) and Head Games (unedited as the fourth RA2 Allied mission since MadHQ's remaster had Tesla Coils being added instead)...

    • @itaymaoz7498
      @itaymaoz7498 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no way, 1 desolator kills 1 million conscripts

    • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
      @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@itaymaoz7498 so zats y syria lybia and iran r hiring mercenaries from russia is ze same zing wiz zem joining ze operation in ukraine
      irak maybe irrelevent in headlines but russia wud razer do ze same zing zere liek wat happened in syria and afganistan wen usa left zere and russia and china succeed zere in turn

    • @DarkTemplarKain
      @DarkTemplarKain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      if i remember correctly, josef stalin said something along the lines of, "quantity is a quality of its own."

  • @xmarkclx
    @xmarkclx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Wow, I didn't know veterancy makes so much of a difference.
    It seems spies on barracks are very worth it.

    • @havoc3742
      @havoc3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Veterancy increases all unit's health by 50%. this alone can be the difference between victory and defeat in many engagements. of course, this doesn't help in some extreme cases, like Snipers for example, but like I said, extreme cases.

    • @xmarkclx
      @xmarkclx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@havoc3742 50%? That is just super OP.
      They already have Prisms, BattleForts and Gap Gens. Should have given spies to Soviets.

    • @havoc3742
      @havoc3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@xmarkclx not really. see, originally, because the Reds had Yuri clones ( until the expansion ) getting one into a barracks or other building would be hard, and Yuri clones could see through spies disguises and auto-control them. park a yuri behind a refinery or nuclear powerplant and sooner or later in a game, you'd get your own spy.
      Of course, then YR released and the Reds lost Yuri's, so, yeah, sucks. of course, their Industrial Plant more than makes up for it in my opinion, and the fact they get units with greater firepower and heavier armour to begin with.

  • @-Hardstyle-
    @-Hardstyle- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These videos are so addictive. Love your work.

  • @JC-js3er
    @JC-js3er 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Conscripts: oh shit he we go again ...

  • @Pearloryx
    @Pearloryx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    0:26 that perfectly cut scream

  • @ninjanerdstudent6937
    @ninjanerdstudent6937 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The promoted conscripts really know how to dodge their hits and heal themselves.

  • @yurinalysis8034
    @yurinalysis8034 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Soviet Infantry charging at German artillery position 1942 colorized

    • @kellereclub3828
      @kellereclub3828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Irl the V3 was a massive artillery piece like the RA2 Grand Cannon. So -

    • @karlwschipul5079
      @karlwschipul5079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was thinking "French Maginot Line"

  • @louieosumo
    @louieosumo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Conscripts: for mother Russia
    Grand Cannon: for father France

    • @emperorgizmo3014
      @emperorgizmo3014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Germany is the Father Land not France.

    • @louieosumo
      @louieosumo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emperorgizmo3014 yeah, because conscripts called Russia as their mom, while grand cannons' France is their dad.

    • @zombiemassacreify
      @zombiemassacreify 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually, France also call their country mom as well due to the old traditions

  • @BendixX69
    @BendixX69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The definition of cannon fodder

  • @spitter_si-roh
    @spitter_si-roh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And this is why i love Skaven in Warhammer... ^^

    • @bificommander7472
      @bificommander7472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With plagueclaw catapults and weapon teams , both sides in this test could represent the skaven. Which wouldn't be out of the ordinary, given their usual level of cooperation.

  • @ninjanerdstudent6937
    @ninjanerdstudent6937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The beauty of landing paratroopers in the base is for the Grand Cannon to destroy themselves.

  • @runesilvertine
    @runesilvertine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now all you need to do is add some pillboxes and a number of deployed GIs and you now have a ww1esque scene

  • @rhob2422
    @rhob2422 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg I love these. Like 20 years I was making levels like this and uploading them to a defunct forum for people to try because we didnt have YT😄

  • @zchen27
    @zchen27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Can you try Grand Cannons modded to shoot at air vs Kirovs? Or maybe even V3/Dreadnought/Boomer missiles modded to hit Kirovs?

    • @GreenElf
      @GreenElf  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      i will try

  • @luisiana1121
    @luisiana1121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really forget that conscripts in vanilla Red Alert 2 can be quite good in bulk. Always have a bias for GIs tho in their deployed form

    • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
      @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      zats y until yuris revenge wuz released zen initiates r were liek ze ultimate conscripts since yuri built zem after he left ze soviets and liek conscripts initiates dont deploy unliek gis and guardian gis so zats y it teaks tiem to deploy n deploy

  • @pacerrecap6386
    @pacerrecap6386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Finally! A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

  • @ninjanerdstudent6937
    @ninjanerdstudent6937 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Think about the number of necessary power plants to operate the French Grand Cannons.

  • @valiktoma2542
    @valiktoma2542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow that upgraded PPSH 7.62x25 just pierces grand armor like paper

  • @aap9167
    @aap9167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The whole point of sending a hoard would be to get within it no fire zone

  • @paulrandig
    @paulrandig ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be very interesting to compare tactics for the conscripts: "All vs. all" or "all vs. one cannon after another".

  • @deim3
    @deim3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know it was an educational channel about real life soviet/russian tactics.

  • @andreksionski3812
    @andreksionski3812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cant wait to see this. Love the video though and sure it would be Defense vs Defense too soon.

    • @GreenElf
      @GreenElf  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      tyvm and yes.. i will make it

  • @rollerepic2107
    @rollerepic2107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    conscripts could walk directly into cannon’s minimal range

    • @HenrySosenite
      @HenrySosenite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But if there's more than one cannon, the other cannons can kill them

    • @rollerepic2107
      @rollerepic2107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HenrySosenite there will be friendly damage for the cannons then

  • @drekson23
    @drekson23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember back in the day me and friend, me as soviet and his allied. He was about to win. I have no longer building base and vehicle factory. Only barracks, I build all my funds into conscript then sold everything and rush to his base. Have only 3 rhinos, 2 rocket trucks, 2 flaks and about 30+ conscripts. To my surprised, I've won. He had prism so I scatter my conscripts and front line my tank units to take down his prism and power building with my rocket truck, then his prism towers are dead. My 3 star conscripts are raping his units and buildings lol.

  • @kdfr1483
    @kdfr1483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Conscripts are cheap & strong. But we love our mouse & finger more.

  • @pahan445
    @pahan445 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    я болел за солдат всё видео и знал что в финале они победят)

  • @Kiwijr2579
    @Kiwijr2579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, Veteran surprised me :o

  • @Mr_Flybacker
    @Mr_Flybacker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Пушечное мясо.

  • @voiceofstem
    @voiceofstem 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is gonna get real relevant soon.

  • @robbiedellorosambitanjd.447
    @robbiedellorosambitanjd.447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This feels like Normandy WW2.

  • @nox_luna
    @nox_luna 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    grand cannon is like my favorite structure in the game

  • @jdh0O9
    @jdh0O9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see the difference when the turrets are being repaired.

  • @elephantt2077
    @elephantt2077 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like Falconer vs Musketeer in AoE3

  • @jimmyzkho4646
    @jimmyzkho4646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Try those please
    .Prism tank can charge prism tower-
    Link prism tanks to get one shot
    Tesla tank can charge tesla tower
    Tesla troopers can charge sov power plant

    • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
      @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sniper wiz telsa trooper weapon n charge telsa coil
      tanya wiz telsa trooper weapon n charge telsa coil
      yuri family wiz telsa trooper weapon n charge telsa coil
      initiate wiz rocketeer weapon
      💪🏻🇷🇺

    • @mrdoge9508
      @mrdoge9508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Charger logic is coded for infantry only, doesn't work for vehicles.
      Prism link logic only works for buildings
      Charge logic is done by using the secondary weapon. As weapons can't give power it won't work. Might be something in Ares to do this though, but not familiar with Ares stuff.

    • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
      @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrdoge9508
      Actually in Ares mode for example, AI superweapons in missions are enabled whilst it also protects YR from freezing/having an error but also when you play Allied mission 7 (Brain Dead) then the Yuri Hover Transports coming into your base northwest are removed by Ares mode, and in turn missions will have the game speed option removed unlike after you install and uninstall Cncnet.
      As for the Prism tanks, they are normally incapable of losing units so its a reason why Prism technology is honestly inferior than Tesla and IFV tech in the first place - which is also given by the fact that Prism tech can't even shoot trees and as well as walls (SREF/Prism Tank only).
      Maybe if the Allies took the responsibility of the fifth Soviet mission in OG (original) RA2 - City of Lights - therefore the Allied forces in turn would make use of the Soviets' Tesla tech and in turn reverse engineer it, like in the Flipped Missions application but with the use of the original mission map courtesy of EA/Westwood...
      Similar to OG RA2 Allied mission 9 (Sun Temple) where the Soviets turned one of the Mayan temples into a Prism tower but instead it would be a choice to capture or eradicate those structures unless when you do not edit the Primary in rules.ini (rulesmd.ini won't work since playing the ninth RA2 Allied mission in YR would end up freezing especially without Ares)...

  • @ColinRichardson
    @ColinRichardson ปีที่แล้ว

    One advantage the grand cannons have, they can be repaired mid battle

  • @神秘的小丧尸
    @神秘的小丧尸 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Conscripts express strong condemnation~

  • @BOSS-zs2rt
    @BOSS-zs2rt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

  • @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz
    @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz ปีที่แล้ว

    I also realize you would have never left me alone because of healing with food to begin with so we would have fought to begin with because geniuses get laid to much to begin with and this is a continent.

  • @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207
    @awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Russia: Dear France, y did u and Germany side wiz ze Anglo-Saxons?! zen I zought we're friends???
    France: I am not your friend anymore, le poupée russe.
    < unmasking >
    🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
    Yuri: "Pay no attention, Comrade General. He no longer means anything to us."
    Vladimir: "You are behind this Yuri!"
    Yuri: "Thank you, General. These are my men now, I can always use more."
    Vladimir: "You will never capture General Vladimir!"
    Yuri: "Comrade General, you are proving even more tenacious than I thought."
    Vladimir: "General, do not listen to Yuri's lies!"

  • @m-w-y7325
    @m-w-y7325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was beautiful!

  • @RobertDerusha
    @RobertDerusha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    same cost with cloning machine?

  • @XuanNguyen-op4qs
    @XuanNguyen-op4qs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    you have to build a lot of power plants in order to have cannon working, it is not the same cost tho

  • @peterbahy7868
    @peterbahy7868 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which unit type inside BF kills rhinos faster
    GIs, GGis, Conscripts, Tesla Troopers, Boris, etc
    Normal units, Vet, and elite please

  • @shindeiru024
    @shindeiru024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maginot Line, 1940 (colorized)

    • @WarriorAngel001
      @WarriorAngel001 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats what they thought would happen. Then the Germans used tank and plane to invade through the Ardennes forrests rendering it superfluous.

    • @shindeiru024
      @shindeiru024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their overconfidence on their "wall" designed to hold back infantry got them good when not only the Jerries used tanks, they also easily circled around it coz the Frogs' too much trust on Belgium defending Ardennes lol

    • @WarriorAngel001
      @WarriorAngel001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to mention that the Germans invaded through the Ardennes in the first world war yet French commanders still thought the forrests were a suitable deterrent.

  • @innocamcambridge7430
    @innocamcambridge7430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Basic Level Conscript = The Charge of the Light Brigade

  • @Tehstampede
    @Tehstampede 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Grand Cannon always seemed like the weakest of the nation-specific units to me. Rate of fire was too slow and it really didn't do the kind of damage it would need to in order to justify that low ROF

    • @einaol
      @einaol ปีที่แล้ว

      It made for a good, longer-ranged defense network than just prism towers or pillboxes though, esp. due to its AoE. Most of the time, the enemy isn't going to be charging you with 1000 Vets or Elites, and you can see how that went for the conscripts. Plus, when you build it in an elevated position and in sufficient numbers, it really commands the area against infantry due to the suppressive effects, forcing their AI to repath, slow down, and spend more time under fire.
      I would take 12 Grand Cannons over 16 Prism Towers any day.

    • @mwperk02
      @mwperk02 ปีที่แล้ว

      France is banned in quite a few games because the grand cannon let's you annihilate large attack forces from extreme distances additionally the grand cannon isn't considered a hostile structure to the games logic so units don't auto target it. With grand cannons France doesn't even need to build factory units to repel Soviet or Yuri attacks so they are free to spam Rockies in huge masses without fear of consequences

  • @MatthewEng2593
    @MatthewEng2593 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Space the conscripts out a bit and no splash damage?

  • @DJNicShogun
    @DJNicShogun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Same issue with the Terran Siege Tanks

    • @kantaporn4114
      @kantaporn4114 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      but the cost is only 3x Marines not 20x like conscript in RA2 🤭

  • @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz
    @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz ปีที่แล้ว

    Education subjugation and a long list of dead list so far lmao 🤣😂🤣

  • @flossbrunn
    @flossbrunn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I build walls around my grand cannons lol

  • @jankus5133
    @jankus5133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can any land or sea unit beat it on cost basis? Maybe Boomers, if they go undetected, but other than that...

    • @szarvaskoppany
      @szarvaskoppany 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Desolator iff it can deploy.

    • @SoldierOfFate
      @SoldierOfFate 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two SEALs can easily take down a Grand Cannon.

    • @karlwschipul5079
      @karlwschipul5079 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SoldierOfFate ... that is if they are not blown to smithereens first.

  • @killsone2
    @killsone2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1000 vs 50 - Let´s play WW1?

  • @Kira121086
    @Kira121086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You missed out on elite Grand Cannons vs Elite Conscripts

  • @TheGirlWithBigHead
    @TheGirlWithBigHead 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wave 99

  • @maxstone9999
    @maxstone9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    World war 1 in a nutshell

  • @Forgottenmelon
    @Forgottenmelon ปีที่แล้ว

    so to win using soviet, i just need 1000 conscript? got it

  • @oberkommandowest1871
    @oberkommandowest1871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ORDER 227 not one step back conscript

  • @nicolbolas999
    @nicolbolas999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    oklahoma beach

  • @ghgfcuqqw
    @ghgfcuqqw ปีที่แล้ว

    Plants vs zombies

  • @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz
    @nummingsworthforbiddenda-mh6tz ปีที่แล้ว

    Traveling east much better

  • @dailylifeofnobody819
    @dailylifeofnobody819 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wagner at Bakhmut.