This video shows me a young black man and a young white man sitting opposite each other and talking about our country's problems a manifestation of what a beautiful country this can be with this kind of talent.
I guess it's something we haven't had enough of in our country. The willingness to sit together and have an open, respectful dialogue and learn from each other. It's good to see!
I like how Pen has developed over time in his craft; he is not argumentative but seeks to hear the other side and manages to get the deep convictions of people almost seamlessly. This a great ability that we need coz we get to know people's real nature and views. Great interview and the young Afrikaner brother has represented himself well and has put Afrikaans and Afrikaners in a clearer light.
If your a South African and you’re watching this and you vote for the ANC or were planning or are still planning on Voting for the ANC you’re part of the problem
@@zakhemabaso6644 no party is perfect but when you look at what the DA have done in Cape Town and also the measures they taking to go off the grid it’s far more than what the ANC is doing, I currently live in the West Rand and late last year a DA mayor was appointed and service delivery in the area and surrounding areas improved significantly, pot holes were closed very quickly and vacant municipality positions were finally advertised for the internal employees who had been under contract for years while the ANC was in power all that happened after the DA came in now the ANC guys managed to vote him out and already you see service delivery slowing down, doesn’t matter what party you choose to vote for but the goal as a collective for South Africans should be to at least take the ANC out of power then you can decide who else you vote for even if it’s not the DA
They, the White folk hold South Africa hostage. Afriforum is a White Supremacists Western entity. Its foreign funded and has Western military bases in Africa. South Africa wise up.
@@sibumbambo3041 again, ANC is the worst, like i said there’s no perfect party but the ANC is just pathetic , South Africans should at least make sure the ANC doesn’t stay in power
As an older man, I looked at these two young men discussing a wide spectrum of topics with such mutual respect for each other and it warms my old heart. I watched and listened to the future and hope of this wonderful country of ours, our young people. Mooi so manne, julle maak ons trots.
This comment touched me for obvious reasons. As a young black person, I grew up with friends (whites)and we loved each dearly till this day, with some that are still very close to me to a point where we know each others entire families. The issue here are some elders if not most, from black and white, that are still filled with hatred from the past, causing hindrance and delaying progress.
They are already printing t-shirts with their picture to distribute to the foolish voters. They sing freedom songs and give food parcels too. It's time to WAKE UP.
What an inspiring interview. We need start our own Organizations like Afriforum and build our own communities and stop wait for a government that not working for us.
I believe that black people in South Africa should learn from AfriForum about the importance of unity and perseverance in the face of adversity. While I do not necessarily agree with all of the viewpoints and actions of AfriForum, their dedication to fighting for the rights and interests of their community can be a valuable lesson for all marginalized groups. Black South Africans should also seek to advocate for themselves and demand equal treatment, just as AfriForum seeks to preserve the interests of white South Africans. Dialogue and understanding across different communities can help to foster a more just and equitable society for all.
How refreshing to hear two young South Africans from different backgrounds cordially discussing history and our current issues to try and undestand each other instead of blaming or shouting at each other. Well done Pennuel for reaching out to Ernst and lending him your ear. Mutual respect for our differences and celebration of what we have in common is the way forward.
To hear this guy speak so passionately about the mission and purpose of the Afrikaners makes me ashamed to be a black guy without a vision and mission for being black that I am passionate about. My mind is boggled and I am challenged to study what the Afrikaners are doing so I can replicate the success in my small area.
It doesn't have to be specifically about your "culture". I am an Afrikaner by birth but I think South Africa is moving into a different direction. Ke bolela Sesotho gomme go ya ka nna ke tshepa gore baswa ba naga ka moka re tla aga re be setšo se se tee ka bokamoso. Re tla fapana ka mmala goba ka sebopego empa re a tswana ka botho le ka mokgwa wo re itswara ka wona. Ka boikokobetšo re tšwela pele re amogelana.
The best interview yet, Ernest van Zyl is a well read guy. He's well informed historically, politically, economically and religiously! Leadership right there...
Cannot express what a truly heart warming experience this was. The youth of this country will lead the way and show those who couldn't move forward how to do it. Well done guys! Loved listening
Thank you for the great opportunity, Penuel. Like I said, so many people today have unfortunately lost the ability to listen to anyone who does not 100% agree with them. Many have also lost the ability to listen entirely. "This person is wrong because they are white, black, Afrikaner or Zulu"-reasoning is not going to cut it. It's just a desperate excuse to avoid engaging arguments and ideas you can't refute. Let's disagree, but at least robustly engage my arguments, and I will grant you the same treatment. Once again, I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, as well as the one we had on my TH-cam channel. Mooi loop. - Ernst
One thing that a sane black South African cannot deny today is that the Afrikaaners are a one hard working group of people 💯 They can come for me with all sorts of names, but I said what I said and didn't stutter...I used to hate too, but today I have nothing but RESPECT, especially for your work ethic and discipline 🤝🏾
Finally, SA has a Joe Rogan! Thanks, Penuel for the unbias interviewing and insightfull comments of how your community may see some issue in contrast to my community.
Penuel, no need for me to say, you already know this, but you are on another level brother. I have witnessed your growth since the start and you are becoming a master podcaster. Thanks for your open mind and willingness to hear perspectives from different backgrounds. Discussions like these give me hope for the future. Wish you could broadcast these discussions instead of the 7 PM news on SABC and Kyknet. Dankie meneer Penuel. Groete.
Great chat... just as a note I got attacked by robbers in my home in Johannesburg. I called the police and my security company and the first entity to show up at my house was Afriforum🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ honestly it opened my eyes to the kind of work they do. Keep it up.
The fact that you were attacked in the first place is horrible, I hope things turned out as well as one could hope in those circumstances. It almost sounds foolish to say this - but I hope we can have a country a few decades from now where these violent circumstances are a thing of the past
Self respect. This young man has said it so many times. And this is the CORE of the issues in South Africa. The majority have no self respect, therefore no respect for their environment or surroundings. Excellent discussion. Gives hope for the future when two young men can sit down and speak together like this.
Wow! What a pleasure it was to listen to you two young men.....SO proud of both of you... This is wat S.A.needs, taking hands and inspire and motivate our young generation.
Penuel this is the most educative chat you have done. This guy really nailed the language issue and opened the eyes of many. I have an issue with black Zulu/Xhosa/Venda/Swazi kids speaking English amongst themselves. Our children have become ambassadors of the British empire unawares! Blacks need to return to learn in their indigenous languages. The Chinese, Russians, French, Arab, and others have the best trained autronauts and space engineers trained in the home language for a reason. You learn better and faster in your mother tongue than a foreign language and you become confident too. They even insist on addressing the UNGA in their mother language unlike African leaders. Why have we been so foolish?
I am further fascinated by how we default to English when speaking to other non-South African people without even attempting to know what language they can speak!!
@Sabelo Mlambo very true, but as well as the black ones? Amazing how our languages are so similar but we look past that. The annoying part is we not even that good in English.
By far this was one of the best conversations I’ve listened to this year. Thank you ta Panuel grootman ndiyaythanda indlela ocinga ngayo nangona ngamanye amaxesha ndikhe ndingavumelani nawe kodwa emaxeshen amaninzi uthetha izinto ezikhuthazayo nezinikisa umdla enkosi yhlo. Ithemba lisekhona lokuba umzants Afrika uyawze ulunge ngenye emini kodwa kusafuneka kusetyenzwe straight. The reason I respect Afrikaaners is because they are very patriotic hard workers, as a black people we really need to work on that.
I am humbled and inspired by this conversation. The conversation between Penuel and Ernst shifted some of my own preconceptions about Afriforum. It also gave me a spark of hope in this dark time. Thank you
Ernst is a very intelligent man , I mean I'm not trying to join Afri-FO , but I recognise a level headed person who is also aware of the historical implications that caused this generational instability
Does he talk about the implications in this interview? I have'nt listened yet but all i see is praises for him and Penuel in the comments and I find that odd.
And you know through your podcast, I am very optimistic about South Africa honestly. These conversations lead to a great movement that will resurrect South Africa.
Excellent interview and a well spoken young man with wide insight in many respects and facets about geo politics and economics. It all boils down to one thing: The greed for money is the root of all evil.
Penuel The Black Pen Mlotshwa And Ernst Van Zyl Oh What An Educational , Excellent Exciting , Great , Good , Inspirational , Lectural And Motivational Topic. Thank You Very Much.
Regardless, English shall remain because it is INTERNATIONAL. No use in teaching Afrikaans to native African speakers. Rather teach them to use their own language as medium of instruction and advance tech with. Afrikaans isn't cut it over literally any other stronger language: English, French (2 languages I know) and German or Portuguese. Afrikaans just sad that no one takes them seriously while they tried to colonize us. 🙄
What a great interview. Thank you. As an English speaking Afrikaans heritage, I appreciate Agri forum. Most of SA don't know the history of the Afrikaans culture.
Think it's an even maturer mind which can listen, access and determine and then accept and change ones mind if found to be true and better than its immediate and then change for the better. That is indeed a mature mind.
The part where Penual talks about how the 1976 scholars fought to abolish Afrikaans and speak and learn in English instead of their native languages was powerful, that was deep.
Background: With universal white suffrage in the British colony, the Boer could, through majority among whites in elections, construct an Afrikaans "Leitkultur" to define SA from the 1930s on. The Boers stole the Anglo colonial racial model for their own purposes and renamed it Apartheid. (i.e. used it to engineer a Dutch civilization at the Southern tip of Africa, instead of an Anglo/Afro-Saxon one) The minority buffer class of Asian & mixed "colonially-cooperative people of colour" (Coloureds) had been largely core English in the British Cape colony post 1795, but with the 20th century Boer control, Afrikaans Leitkultur was reinforced. Half a century on, this process among the Coloureds was largely completed. The government then decided to pull the trigger on turning the Natives into "Coloureds", by making all education Afrikaans, which would have taken the natives out of the Anglo cultural Commonwealth within a generation. The British couldn't let this happen. The year was 1976.
@@francoiswilliams Nice try. Drop the victim mentality. Africans are not victims of the British. They put Afrikaaners in concentration camps, not black Africans, that's your battle, not ours. I won't side with Boers over Brits and America, they are international and if I want a job overseas, I shall learn ENGLISH.
We have been fooled by the West. We've wasted 29 years trying to be integrated with people who don't love us. This just proves that nobody can legislate love. It's time we all went our separate ways.
Accountability starts at home with your parents. Parenting is where these types of responsibilities and accountability and self respect gets taught. I learned about responsibility and outcome in my home, my parents imprinted that into me. And to make sure that things are right, there is no grey area. It’s right or wrong. Love your conversations, I think this starts making people think. As we as a people have forgotten how to think for ourselves. Also know your worth! 💪🏼
@@tam1641your past keeps you a prisoner we cannot change the past. some are on the wrong side of history and that is a tradgedy. but the answer lies in front, not in the past. that is a tought fact, whether we like it or not
Another BEST conversation I really enjoyed listening to. Thank you Ernst Van Zyl for the amazing work you do, and for giving me a different perspective of AfriForum. Thank you Penuel for always breaking boundaries so we can talk and understand each other. God Bless you gents!
We South Africans are very quick to hate someone because they differ from our views. Especially those keyboard warriors. They are scarcely a positive influence but are the first to leave negative comments. We won’t move forward while always looking backwards. We must focus on whats wrong and the solutions to the problems in a way that benefits everyone. But hate always gets in the way
I can honestly say that my hope is slightly rekindled. We need more of this conversation between ( coloured, black, white and Indian ) youth. Furthermore, I also believe that the Khoi and San should be integrated into such conversations. Penual is a brilliant host who really gives the white guy a basis to raise their point.
Ernest van Zyl is all sorts of leadership🙌🏿, i love his brilliance. Penuel is the God he thinks he is!!! Such an informative interview..well done to you both.
The point about learning about the world in your home language hit deep. Even my thoughts are mostly not in my home language. And its already trickling down to my daughter as shes struggling to speak our home language but relies on English to complete sentences. Another great interview thanks to Penuel. And thanks to Ernst for enlighting us with great knowledge.
Ernst is a very brilliant gentleman and only makes me respect Afrikaans people even more. Their history and what they have achieved in relatively a short period of time is amazing we as black people across Africa have alot to learn from them
Oh really? Then maybe we should have our own apartheid where only us get land, education and opportunity then we wonder why everyone else is struggling all around us
@@Azikhale_ sometimes try looking at the world from a higher consciousness point of view. Afrikaans people were marginalized by the British and hated the world over, the Arabs,Chinese and parts of Europe were also colonized but why is it that only the black is the only one still complaining and wallowing in poverty while his own leaders steal resources only to hide them in western banks. Do you actually realize that apartheid was over 30years ago. And in these 30years tell us what the ANC has done for you?
@@theafricanarchitectsoasis All those formerly colonised nations you mention have all their land back in their full control. That's actually the ANCs biggest failure. It was through apartheid that afrikaners got to own of the farms and vast lands to today. So long as it is like that apartheid is still relevant because that was its foundation and it still stands 30 years later
@@Azikhale_ do you know what's amazing, the Transkei has never been touched and has always been independent. Why is it that it hasn't developed or changed in any meaningful way? 🤔
@@seanprinsen7265 Don't say it's was never touched it was only declared a bantu independent state by the Afrikaners in 1962 on their own terms and certainly without the bantus best interest at heart. It was just another insult to blacks who had been already dispossessed then pushed to that corner. It was also an attempt to convince the world that the apartheid policies were "fair" to all when clearly they were only meant to set up whites economically and they succeeded
But guys... This white fellow is way too smart... So White Afrikaans had been in concentration camp... I didn't know, but they fought hard to stay affloat economically and culturally... May be Zulus, Tswanas and other tribes should take a leaf from Afrikaans on how to develop their languages... I vowed to never learn this language coz of the history but I must say I like how determined and dedicated this tribe is...
Wow, my brother from another mother I'm proud to be an African. I like the freedom you allow your guests to articulate. We 🇿🇦 are really a significant people. If only we can be united in our visions and African beliefs without fear or favour; what a magnificent country this will be?
Culture of accountability is what differentiates us from them. We let our clown politicians get away with everything that's why they keep coming back for more loot. This interview has really enlightened me, what i knew about Afri Forum is based on what these clown politicians have been feeding us. Self-worth and self-respect is highly regarded by Afri's which is admirable, thina we led shem.
It is flawed that the incumbent gov is exclusively black people's politicians. It is vanguard for neo-colonialism/ New Apartheid. Except for a relatively handful of black elites, Patterns of economic ownership remains intact. Accountability in a system not designed for you can only take you to an extent that it is not in conflict with the interest of the masters
I took some time to watch this episode and finally it's quite inspirational though lots of things to learn keep up the good work Pen aka The God 😎✊✊🇿🇦🇿🇦 Gqebera Gqebera Gqebera
Black culture stifles accountability. One cannot even question their parents or their older siblings hence the "yes Zuma is corrupt but he is old leave him alone" Its a cultural thing.
Damn, I've never had such fun in the live comment section. Such a great conversation amongst the viewers, I surely wont be missing any premiers anytime soon.. Its refreshing to find a live chat were people aren't just trying to be funny but are willing to persuade each other through dialogue
Another great video again. I admire and respect this young man (Van Zyl). Just like Pappas in uMngeni Municipality, he is the type of leader we need. I like how he holds our government accountable, especially the inept Minister of Police. But where he falls short, like many white South Africans is the failure to acknowledge and recognize the impact Apartheid had and still has on society. Like many other white South Africans, in this interview, he papers over the issue. I listened to this podcast attentively. 80% of it was critiquing the current government, rightly so, I must add. He also talked about the history of the Afrikaners. In particular, their subjugation at the hands of the British. However, I might be wrong here, not once did I hear him acknowledge and criticize the Apartheid for all the atrocities they committed against us. It is something I've noted about abusive/oppressive people. They will talk about their own scars yet turn around and inflict the same suffering on others and not acknowledge any wrongdoing. The Jews talk about their suffering at the hands of the Germans, yet deny the suffering they've caused to the Palestinian people. The US wants sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. Yet the US has invaded countless nations many miles away from it, not once has it called for sanctions against itself. I could go on and on. This type of behavior makes me not only question the person's/peoples' sincerity but also their sanity. Let's just be fair and balanced in our critique and comments.
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This video shows me a young black man and a young white man sitting opposite each other and talking about our country's problems a manifestation of what a beautiful country this can be with this kind of talent.
I guess it's something we haven't had enough of in our country. The willingness to sit together and have an open, respectful dialogue and learn from each other. It's good to see!
I agree. We can work together and make this country great once again.
Bravo! What a beautiful display of intelligence and integrity of well balanced young people. ,in our country. Mutual respect.
Dus so waar van Kaapstad Khoisan 59 year old lady here love to see this happening, so promising
I like how Pen has developed over time in his craft; he is not argumentative but seeks to hear the other side and manages to get the deep convictions of people almost seamlessly. This a great ability that we need coz we get to know people's real nature and views.
Great interview and the young Afrikaner brother has represented himself well and has put Afrikaans and Afrikaners in a clearer light.
If your a South African and you’re watching this and you vote for the ANC or were planning or are still planning on Voting for the ANC you’re part of the problem
Same applies to the DA.
@@zakhemabaso6644 no party is perfect but when you look at what the DA have done in Cape Town and also the measures they taking to go off the grid it’s far more than what the ANC is doing, I currently live in the West Rand and late last year a DA mayor was appointed and service delivery in the area and surrounding areas improved significantly, pot holes were closed very quickly and vacant municipality positions were finally advertised for the internal employees who had been under contract for years while the ANC was in power all that happened after the DA came in now the ANC guys managed to vote him out and already you see service delivery slowing down, doesn’t matter what party you choose to vote for but the goal as a collective for South Africans should be to at least take the ANC out of power then you can decide who else you vote for even if it’s not the DA
@@morakemokoena3644Disparity and inequality in Cape Town is the worst in South Africa, possibly even the world. Lol
They, the White folk hold South Africa hostage. Afriforum is a White Supremacists Western entity. Its foreign funded and has Western military bases in Africa. South Africa wise up.
@@sibumbambo3041 again, ANC is the worst, like i said there’s no perfect party but the ANC is just pathetic , South Africans should at least make sure the ANC doesn’t stay in power
As an older man, I looked at these two young men discussing a wide spectrum of topics with such mutual respect for each other and it warms my old heart. I watched and listened to the future and hope of this wonderful country of ours, our young people. Mooi so manne, julle maak ons trots.
This comment touched me for obvious reasons. As a young black person, I grew up with friends (whites)and we loved each dearly till this day, with some that are still very close to me to a point where we know each others entire families. The issue here are some elders if not most, from black and white, that are still filled with hatred from the past, causing hindrance and delaying progress.
@@siyatheservant Victim's from the past can not hate first without seeking justice and economic freedom that was brutally taken away from them
Hit me hard when he said that Political leaders don't even use public health care let alone security. Why are we still voting for these people?
They are already printing t-shirts with their picture to distribute to the foolish voters. They sing freedom songs and give food parcels too. It's time to WAKE UP.
So painfully true indeed. They also send their kids to private schools and also move out to live in gated communicaties. They are all hypocrites!!
It’s a sad reality. No political party is perfect, but it’s time to give someone else a chance.
This interview just made me realize the only way forward for our country. Together.
The Penuel Show should be the NO.1 Podcast in Africa, Extremely informative on a different level
You are asking for the impossible, penuel is a clown
heading there
No one is touching Podcast and Chill bro they're basically the pioneers in this space everyone will hold them to that I do too
@@sh96un unfortunately they all about entertainment it's bullshit!
I agree with you
Podcast and Chill they're dropping the standards now
What an inspiring interview. We need start our own Organizations like Afriforum and build our own communities and stop wait for a government that not working for us.
Never gonna happen and u know it
The reason why white people do this, is because they are minority. It will never work for us blacks
You can do it ,its what black people need i think .Or you could join an organisation representing most of your values.
Unfortunately not the black mentality shame.
Were there is a black organization and there is money in it. Expect corruption
I believe that black people in South Africa should learn from AfriForum about the importance of unity and perseverance in the face of adversity. While I do not necessarily agree with all of the viewpoints and actions of AfriForum, their dedication to fighting for the rights and interests of their community can be a valuable lesson for all marginalized groups. Black South Africans should also seek to advocate for themselves and demand equal treatment, just as AfriForum seeks to preserve the interests of white South Africans. Dialogue and understanding across different communities can help to foster a more just and equitable society for all.
How refreshing to hear two young South Africans from different backgrounds cordially discussing history and our current issues to try and undestand each other instead of blaming or shouting at each other. Well done Pennuel for reaching out to Ernst and lending him your ear. Mutual respect for our differences and celebration of what we have in common is the way forward.
Bruhhhhhh!!!🙌🙌🙌Pennuel is just phenomenal
@@Ruby_nba Penuel is bought man. Not learning Afrikaans, sorry. English shall remain
I couldn't agree with you more. This is refreshing
1 African and 1 European invader
@garrysmith3846
And what’s your excuse for living in a European country?
To hear this guy speak so passionately about the mission and purpose of the Afrikaners makes me ashamed to be a black guy without a vision and mission for being black that I am passionate about. My mind is boggled and I am challenged to study what the Afrikaners are doing so I can replicate the success in my small area.
Come on stop
Your name is Ebenezer man, you should worry about that more
It is true,they are successful in family perspective to how they run their business,farms etc.They are very focused from the young age
It doesn't have to be specifically about your "culture". I am an Afrikaner by birth but I think South Africa is moving into a different direction. Ke bolela Sesotho gomme go ya ka nna ke tshepa gore baswa ba naga ka moka re tla aga re be setšo se se tee ka bokamoso. Re tla fapana ka mmala goba ka sebopego empa re a tswana ka botho le ka mokgwa wo re itswara ka wona. Ka boikokobetšo re tšwela pele re amogelana.
This guy is preaching segregation wrapped in some cultural pride
This conversation gives me hope for the future of South Africa.
The best interview yet, Ernest van Zyl is a well read guy. He's well informed historically, politically, economically and religiously! Leadership right there...
@@vuyisilestoffel1641 WoW....now that was a mature reaction
He's telling a lie about the Europeans infiltrating Africa. It was all about the riches under the company Dutsch East India Company(DEIC).
@@vuyisilestoffel1641 cute.
Cannot express what a truly heart warming experience this was. The youth of this country will lead the way and show those who couldn't move forward how to do it. Well done guys! Loved listening
Blessed to be a South African with young fellas like this.
Thank you for the great opportunity, Penuel. Like I said, so many people today have unfortunately lost the ability to listen to anyone who does not 100% agree with them. Many have also lost the ability to listen entirely. "This person is wrong because they are white, black, Afrikaner or Zulu"-reasoning is not going to cut it. It's just a desperate excuse to avoid engaging arguments and ideas you can't refute. Let's disagree, but at least robustly engage my arguments, and I will grant you the same treatment.
Once again, I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, as well as the one we had on my TH-cam channel. Mooi loop.
- Ernst
Hope you'll enjoy the final product, my brother 🙏🏽✊🏽❤️
Perfect conversation Bros yall influence is highly appreciated thank you very much
One thing that a sane black South African cannot deny today is that the Afrikaaners are a one hard working group of people 💯
They can come for me with all sorts of names, but I said what I said and didn't stutter...I used to hate too, but today I have nothing but RESPECT, especially for your work ethic and discipline 🤝🏾
@@understandingaddicts Thank you.
There is such a thing called having no leg to stand on in a conversation
Finally, SA has a Joe Rogan! Thanks, Penuel for the unbias interviewing and insightfull comments of how your community may see some issue in contrast to my community.
Though some months old but highly inspiring Ernst. Very clear and appealing to the truth!
So impressed by the amount of respect shown by both sides of the table.
This interview is amazing! It's so refreshing to see a conversation between two young men who are so well-learned. Amazing!
Penuel, no need for me to say, you already know this, but you are on another level brother. I have witnessed your growth since the start and you are becoming a master podcaster. Thanks for your open mind and willingness to hear perspectives from different backgrounds. Discussions like these give me hope for the future. Wish you could broadcast these discussions instead of the 7 PM news on SABC and Kyknet. Dankie meneer Penuel. Groete.
So appreciate this talk!! Thank you for the education! God bless!
All I can is Ernst is a very young smart guy shuuu penuel thank you for bringing him on the show ensrt spoke truth and sense about this country 🇿🇦
Bloody gold right here, this is how you do it, might just revolutionize South Africa here.
Great chat... just as a note I got attacked by robbers in my home in Johannesburg. I called the police and my security company and the first entity to show up at my house was Afriforum🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ honestly it opened my eyes to the kind of work they do. Keep it up.
Fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
The fact that you were attacked in the first place is horrible, I hope things turned out as well as one could hope in those circumstances.
It almost sounds foolish to say this - but I hope we can have a country a few decades from now where these violent circumstances are a thing of the past
Greatly surpassed my expectations. Quality conversation
What a guy is Ernst Van Zyl 💚and Penuel thank you so much for educating us I learn so much everyday
Self respect. This young man has said it so many times. And this is the CORE of the issues in South Africa. The majority have no self respect, therefore no respect for their environment or surroundings. Excellent discussion. Gives hope for the future when two young men can sit down and speak together like this.
Wow! What a pleasure it was to listen to you two young men.....SO proud of both of you...
This is wat S.A.needs, taking hands and inspire and motivate our young generation.
I never even knew what afriform was until this video, im going to become a supporter thank you for this show
Penuel this is the most educative chat you have done. This guy really nailed the language issue and opened the eyes of many. I have an issue with black Zulu/Xhosa/Venda/Swazi kids speaking English amongst themselves. Our children have become ambassadors of the British empire unawares! Blacks need to return to learn in their indigenous languages. The Chinese, Russians, French, Arab, and others have the best trained autronauts and space engineers trained in the home language for a reason. You learn better and faster in your mother tongue than a foreign language and you become confident too. They even insist on addressing the UNGA in their mother language unlike African leaders. Why have we been so foolish?
Mother tongue education is key.
I am further fascinated by how we default to English when speaking to other non-South African people without even attempting to know what language they can speak!!
@@wissyb it's the only foreign language that South Africans are proficient in
@Sabelo Mlambo very true, but as well as the black ones? Amazing how our languages are so similar but we look past that. The annoying part is we not even that good in English.
Korrek
Just saw this discussion. Great talk. By the way, in our small town in USA where we live about 44 people do speak Afrikaans :-)
№1 conversation. Eye opener. This country has hope. Thank you young men.
One thing I like about Pen is how he is willing to talk to all sides
Wonderful young men, so proud of the two of you. Please be our future presidents.🎉❤
By far this was one of the best conversations I’ve listened to this year.
Thank you ta Panuel grootman ndiyaythanda indlela ocinga ngayo nangona ngamanye amaxesha ndikhe ndingavumelani nawe kodwa emaxeshen amaninzi uthetha izinto ezikhuthazayo nezinikisa umdla enkosi yhlo.
Ithemba lisekhona lokuba umzants Afrika uyawze ulunge ngenye emini kodwa kusafuneka kusetyenzwe straight.
The reason I respect Afrikaaners is because they are very patriotic hard workers, as a black people we really need to work on that.
Uwatye onke mhlekazi! Camagu! 🙌🏾
I am humbled and inspired by this conversation. The conversation between Penuel and Ernst shifted some of my own preconceptions about Afriforum. It also gave me a spark of hope in this dark time. Thank you
Ernst is a very intelligent man , I mean I'm not trying to join Afri-FO , but I recognise a level headed person who is also aware of the historical implications that caused this generational instability
Does he talk about the implications in this interview? I have'nt listened yet but all i see is praises for him and Penuel in the comments and I find that odd.
What ‘historical implications’ exactly?
Fascinating discussion thank you gentlemen. May God bless Afrikaners and Zulus and Xhosa and all other Africans who love the Lord.
That's so Christian like 🙄
Woow
I wish I knew you
Shout out to Penuel and The Penuel Show crew for the great job they're doing everyday 🙏🙌💯🤝 This is a greatest interview ever, and Thanks to Ernst
I’ve officially become a fan of this channel, what a great platform to share your views and freely speak on the matters we face in South Africa.
And you know through your podcast, I am very optimistic about South Africa honestly. These conversations lead to a great movement that will resurrect South Africa.
We need more young people in politics not these fossils we have now! These conversations are gold
Facts bro this a movement for sure💯
watching this conversation on the 16th of December. cheers for making this happen guys
Excellent interview and a well spoken young man with wide insight in many respects and facets about geo politics and economics.
It all boils down to one thing: The greed for money is the root of all evil.
This is the " Paradigm shift " kind of conversation. Big up to you Penuel for your consistency
Excellent discussion and I wish ALL South Africans would listen to this. Well done you 2.
Penuel The Black Pen Mlotshwa And Ernst Van Zyl Oh What An Educational , Excellent Exciting , Great , Good , Inspirational , Lectural And Motivational Topic.
Thank You Very Much.
Penuel you really entertained us tonight and you and Ernst did a good job to open our minds.
I'm a foreigner and this is an excellent overview of contemporary issues in South Africa from a Boer perspective, thank you.
Regardless, English shall remain because it is INTERNATIONAL. No use in teaching Afrikaans to native African speakers. Rather teach them to use their own language as medium of instruction and advance tech with. Afrikaans isn't cut it over literally any other stronger language: English, French (2 languages I know) and German or Portuguese. Afrikaans just sad that no one takes them seriously while they tried to colonize us. 🙄
@@suzygirl1843 JUNE 16 1976 Soweto students massacre.
@@NathanZar Yeah, which is why I am not falling for this Afrikaaner
"woe is me" bull. They just want to Colonize black South Africans again.
@@suzygirl1843
What a great interview. Thank you. As an English speaking Afrikaans heritage, I appreciate Agri forum. Most of SA don't know the history of the Afrikaans culture.
It started in 1652's. And we know where it started.
@@siohonelson9078 And?
What an eye opening interview. Thank you
Brilliant interview. Highest respect for both these gentlemen
Brilliantly spoken! Dankie AfriForum. It warms my hart to see young people coming together in this way. There is hope for SA yet.
"A mature mind is someone who can entertain an idea without accepting it"
"it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea and not accept it"_Aristotle
Think it's an even maturer mind which can listen, access and determine and then accept and change ones mind if found to be true and better than its immediate and then change for the better. That is indeed a mature mind.
This interview was brilliant. Baby steps. Division isn't going to better this country.
The part where Penual talks about how the 1976 scholars fought to abolish Afrikaans and speak and learn in English instead of their native languages was powerful, that was deep.
The English people suppressed all of us Africa people 😆😆
@@francoiswilliams The British Parasite Empire, is Still the Enemy of All South Africans.
Background:
With universal white suffrage in the British colony, the Boer could, through majority among whites in elections, construct an Afrikaans "Leitkultur" to define SA from the 1930s on.
The Boers stole the Anglo colonial racial model for their own purposes and renamed it Apartheid.
(i.e. used it to engineer a Dutch civilization at the Southern tip of Africa, instead of an Anglo/Afro-Saxon one)
The minority buffer class of Asian & mixed "colonially-cooperative people of colour" (Coloureds) had been largely core English in the British Cape colony post 1795, but with the 20th century Boer control, Afrikaans Leitkultur was reinforced.
Half a century on, this process among the Coloureds was largely completed.
The government then decided to pull the trigger on turning the Natives into "Coloureds", by making all education Afrikaans, which would have taken the natives out of the Anglo cultural Commonwealth within a generation.
The British couldn't let this happen.
The year was 1976.
@@francoiswilliams Nice try. Drop the victim mentality. Africans are not victims of the British. They put Afrikaaners in concentration camps, not black Africans, that's your battle, not ours. I won't side with Boers over Brits and America, they are international and if I want a job overseas, I shall learn ENGLISH.
We have been fooled by the West. We've wasted 29 years trying to be integrated with people who don't love us. This just proves that nobody can legislate love. It's time we all went our separate ways.
its unfortunate that not even 1% of the South African populations has seen this video its very informative
Accountability starts at home with your parents.
Parenting is where these types of responsibilities and accountability and self respect gets taught.
I learned about responsibility and outcome in my home, my parents imprinted that into me. And to make sure that things are right, there is no grey area. It’s right or wrong.
Love your conversations, I think this starts making people think. As we as a people have forgotten how to think for ourselves.
Also know your worth! 💪🏼
Anybody that listens to what a white man says and believe it is a fool
You want to make them think and forget about the past right ? 😊
@@tam1641your past keeps you a prisoner
we cannot change the past. some are on the wrong side of history and that is a tradgedy. but the answer lies in front, not in the past. that is a tought fact, whether we like it or not
Ernest Van Zyl is leadership 🙌🏾
Another BEST conversation I really enjoyed listening to. Thank you Ernst Van Zyl for the amazing work you do, and for giving me a different perspective of AfriForum. Thank you Penuel for always breaking boundaries so we can talk and understand each other. God Bless you gents!
We South Africans are very quick to hate someone because they differ from our views. Especially those keyboard warriors. They are scarcely a positive influence but are the first to leave negative comments. We won’t move forward while always looking backwards. We must focus on whats wrong and the solutions to the problems in a way that benefits everyone. But hate always gets in the way
One of the best discussions I've listened to in a very long time!
Best interview on the national problem, hands down.
I only found this discussion today , hats off to the two of you . Great forward thinking open and frank discussion
Thank you today after this interview I am looking at the current Afrikaans people with a better purspective...
Incredibly well spoken and well informed… good on you Ernst 👊🏻👊🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very Powerful Interview! We will surely look back at this moment in the future as the turning of History.
I can honestly say that my hope is slightly rekindled. We need more of this conversation between ( coloured, black, white and Indian ) youth. Furthermore, I also believe that the Khoi and San should be integrated into such conversations. Penual is a brilliant host who really gives the white guy a basis to raise their point.
shaun talking is the problem afriforum are talking after they did the work , we need to do more and talk less
@@grantfreese106 I started my career in social development 18 years ago. And I am still involved in the sector.
Ernest van Zyl is all sorts of leadership🙌🏿, i love his brilliance.
Penuel is the God he thinks he is!!!
Such an informative interview..well done to you both.
We need more of these kinds of frank, open, honest and respectful conversations for the country to grow, get better and move forward. Awesome to see!
I've learned a lot. SYABONGA 🤝🏾.
Congrats Penuel you ar a Community Builder of our Nation.
So amazing listening to you guys. Mutual respect. Intelligent discussion. Truely uplifting. Gives me hope for this beautiful country!
The content here is nothing short of incredible value. Not what we’re being fed into the mainstream media.
The point about learning about the world in your home language hit deep. Even my thoughts are mostly not in my home language. And its already trickling down to my daughter as shes struggling to speak our home language but relies on English to complete sentences.
Another great interview thanks to Penuel. And thanks to Ernst for enlighting us with great knowledge.
That's your own fault.
I once saw a video of a lady living in the UK with her son, they spoke Zulu. It's your fault your daughter is like that
Congratulations Penuel.
You must be one of the , if not the best interviewers in South Africa
( I am a white Boer )
Excellent interview. There is always hope, it can be done.
Ernst is a very brilliant gentleman and only makes me respect Afrikaans people even more. Their history and what they have achieved in relatively a short period of time is amazing we as black people across Africa have alot to learn from them
Oh really? Then maybe we should have our own apartheid where only us get land, education and opportunity then we wonder why everyone else is struggling all around us
@@Azikhale_ sometimes try looking at the world from a higher consciousness point of view. Afrikaans people were marginalized by the British and hated the world over, the Arabs,Chinese and parts of Europe were also colonized but why is it that only the black is the only one still complaining and wallowing in poverty while his own leaders steal resources only to hide them in western banks. Do you actually realize that apartheid was over 30years ago. And in these 30years tell us what the ANC has done for you?
@@theafricanarchitectsoasis All those formerly colonised nations you mention have all their land back in their full control. That's actually the ANCs biggest failure. It was through apartheid that afrikaners got to own of the farms and vast lands to today. So long as it is like that apartheid is still relevant because that was its foundation and it still stands 30 years later
@@Azikhale_ do you know what's amazing, the Transkei has never been touched and has always been independent. Why is it that it hasn't developed or changed in any meaningful way? 🤔
@@seanprinsen7265 Don't say it's was never touched it was only declared a bantu independent state by the Afrikaners in 1962 on their own terms and certainly without the bantus best interest at heart. It was just another insult to blacks who had been already dispossessed then pushed to that corner. It was also an attempt to convince the world that the apartheid policies were "fair" to all when clearly they were only meant to set up whites economically and they succeeded
What a contrast between penuel ans ernst and interview on national tv sizwe and graton. This was very insightful.
But guys... This white fellow is way too smart... So White Afrikaans had been in concentration camp... I didn't know, but they fought hard to stay affloat economically and culturally... May be Zulus, Tswanas and other tribes should take a leaf from Afrikaans on how to develop their languages... I vowed to never learn this language coz of the history but I must say I like how determined and dedicated this tribe is...
One of the most frank ,friendly and honest discussions I have heard. Thank you
Well done both of you! A great conversation. Wonderlik om jou te leer ken Ernst!
Well Spoken young men I really enjoyed watching your interaction, it was respectful, non biased and thought provoking 🙌
The thing about Boers, they don't complain, they take ACTION. We should humble ourselves and learn
Wow, my brother from another mother I'm proud to be an African. I like the freedom you allow your guests to articulate. We 🇿🇦 are really a significant people. If only we can be united in our visions and African beliefs without fear or favour; what a magnificent country this will be?
Thanks Penuel for the interesting show. Ernst has changed my perspective on a lot of things. Keep on doing the good work
Excellent conversation!
Respect to you Penuel!
Thank you for being so much of your real self Penuel . Stay up brother. Take care and keep digging man , you're winning ❤
Never thought of South Africa as a Region. Actually comprises of a few countries in one. Insightful stuff
Culture of accountability is what differentiates us from them. We let our clown politicians get away with everything that's why they keep coming back for more loot. This interview has really enlightened me, what i knew about Afri Forum is based on what these clown politicians have been feeding us. Self-worth and self-respect is highly regarded by Afri's which is admirable, thina we led shem.
We need to change the rules to allow the electorate to recall a failing politician quickly.
It is flawed that the incumbent gov is exclusively black people's politicians. It is vanguard for neo-colonialism/ New Apartheid. Except for a relatively handful of black elites,
Patterns of economic ownership remains intact. Accountability in a system not designed for you can only take you to an extent that it is not in conflict with the interest of the masters
Very good conversation I hope all South Africans listen to what these two lovely people are takeing about. TAKE NOTE.
I took some time to watch this episode and finally it's quite inspirational though lots of things to learn keep up the good work Pen aka The God 😎✊✊🇿🇦🇿🇦 Gqebera Gqebera Gqebera
Black culture stifles accountability. One cannot even question their parents or their older siblings hence the "yes Zuma is corrupt but he is old leave him alone" Its a cultural thing.
You are delusional. Whites never arrest each other. National Party beneficiaries are still holding on to criminal loot..
You are really delusional.
Damn, I've never had such fun in the live comment section. Such a great conversation amongst the viewers, I surely wont be missing any premiers anytime soon..
Its refreshing to find a live chat were people aren't just trying to be funny but are willing to persuade each other through dialogue
Seeing the future of Our Beloved Country by witnessing this talk.
Deep Gratitude.
Being able to entertain idea's without accepting them. Well said
Thank you Sir for an amazing and in sightful program.
Thanks for the insightful interview Pen, I think I’ll become a paying member of Afriforum too.
Another great video again. I admire and respect this young man (Van Zyl). Just like Pappas in uMngeni Municipality, he is the type of leader we need. I like how he holds our government accountable, especially the inept Minister of Police. But where he falls short, like many white South Africans is the failure to acknowledge and recognize the impact Apartheid had and still has on society. Like many other white South Africans, in this interview, he papers over the issue. I listened to this podcast attentively. 80% of it was critiquing the current government, rightly so, I must add. He also talked about the history of the Afrikaners. In particular, their subjugation at the hands of the British. However, I might be wrong here, not once did I hear him acknowledge and criticize the Apartheid for all the atrocities they committed against us. It is something I've noted about abusive/oppressive people. They will talk about their own scars yet turn around and inflict the same suffering on others and not acknowledge any wrongdoing. The Jews talk about their suffering at the hands of the Germans, yet deny the suffering they've caused to the Palestinian people. The US wants sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. Yet the US has invaded countless nations many miles away from it, not once has it called for sanctions against itself. I could go on and on. This type of behavior makes me not only question the person's/peoples' sincerity but also their sanity. Let's just be fair and balanced in our critique and comments.
Broer, I love your podcast. Super inclusive and open mind. My guy, I got no words but mf2 you are the best!!
This guy is fascinating. He's got my respect💯