This video shows me a young black man and a young white man sitting opposite each other and talking about our country's problems a manifestation of what a beautiful country this can be with this kind of talent.
I guess it's something we haven't had enough of in our country. The willingness to sit together and have an open, respectful dialogue and learn from each other. It's good to see!
They are already printing t-shirts with their picture to distribute to the foolish voters. They sing freedom songs and give food parcels too. It's time to WAKE UP.
As an older man, I looked at these two young men discussing a wide spectrum of topics with such mutual respect for each other and it warms my old heart. I watched and listened to the future and hope of this wonderful country of ours, our young people. Mooi so manne, julle maak ons trots.
This comment touched me for obvious reasons. As a young black person, I grew up with friends (whites)and we loved each dearly till this day, with some that are still very close to me to a point where we know each others entire families. The issue here are some elders if not most, from black and white, that are still filled with hatred from the past, causing hindrance and delaying progress.
I believe that black people in South Africa should learn from AfriForum about the importance of unity and perseverance in the face of adversity. While I do not necessarily agree with all of the viewpoints and actions of AfriForum, their dedication to fighting for the rights and interests of their community can be a valuable lesson for all marginalized groups. Black South Africans should also seek to advocate for themselves and demand equal treatment, just as AfriForum seeks to preserve the interests of white South Africans. Dialogue and understanding across different communities can help to foster a more just and equitable society for all.
How refreshing to hear two young South Africans from different backgrounds cordially discussing history and our current issues to try and undestand each other instead of blaming or shouting at each other. Well done Pennuel for reaching out to Ernst and lending him your ear. Mutual respect for our differences and celebration of what we have in common is the way forward.
Cannot express what a truly heart warming experience this was. The youth of this country will lead the way and show those who couldn't move forward how to do it. Well done guys! Loved listening
The best interview yet, Ernest van Zyl is a well read guy. He's well informed historically, politically, economically and religiously! Leadership right there...
Thank you for the great opportunity, Penuel. Like I said, so many people today have unfortunately lost the ability to listen to anyone who does not 100% agree with them. Many have also lost the ability to listen entirely. "This person is wrong because they are white, black, Afrikaner or Zulu"-reasoning is not going to cut it. It's just a desperate excuse to avoid engaging arguments and ideas you can't refute. Let's disagree, but at least robustly engage my arguments, and I will grant you the same treatment. Once again, I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, as well as the one we had on my TH-cam channel. Mooi loop. - Ernst
One thing that a sane black South African cannot deny today is that the Afrikaaners are a one hard working group of people 💯 They can come for me with all sorts of names, but I said what I said and didn't stutter...I used to hate too, but today I have nothing but RESPECT, especially for your work ethic and discipline 🤝🏾
To hear this guy speak so passionately about the mission and purpose of the Afrikaners makes me ashamed to be a black guy without a vision and mission for being black that I am passionate about. My mind is boggled and I am challenged to study what the Afrikaners are doing so I can replicate the success in my small area.
It doesn't have to be specifically about your "culture". I am an Afrikaner by birth but I think South Africa is moving into a different direction. Ke bolela Sesotho gomme go ya ka nna ke tshepa gore baswa ba naga ka moka re tla aga re be setšo se se tee ka bokamoso. Re tla fapana ka mmala goba ka sebopego empa re a tswana ka botho le ka mokgwa wo re itswara ka wona. Ka boikokobetšo re tšwela pele re amogelana.
Finally, SA has a Joe Rogan! Thanks, Penuel for the unbias interviewing and insightfull comments of how your community may see some issue in contrast to my community.
Penuel, no need for me to say, you already know this, but you are on another level brother. I have witnessed your growth since the start and you are becoming a master podcaster. Thanks for your open mind and willingness to hear perspectives from different backgrounds. Discussions like these give me hope for the future. Wish you could broadcast these discussions instead of the 7 PM news on SABC and Kyknet. Dankie meneer Penuel. Groete.
By far this was one of the best conversations I’ve listened to this year. Thank you ta Panuel grootman ndiyaythanda indlela ocinga ngayo nangona ngamanye amaxesha ndikhe ndingavumelani nawe kodwa emaxeshen amaninzi uthetha izinto ezikhuthazayo nezinikisa umdla enkosi yhlo. Ithemba lisekhona lokuba umzants Afrika uyawze ulunge ngenye emini kodwa kusafuneka kusetyenzwe straight. The reason I respect Afrikaaners is because they are very patriotic hard workers, as a black people we really need to work on that.
And you know through your podcast, I am very optimistic about South Africa honestly. These conversations lead to a great movement that will resurrect South Africa.
Penuel this is the most educative chat you have done. This guy really nailed the language issue and opened the eyes of many. I have an issue with black Zulu/Xhosa/Venda/Swazi kids speaking English amongst themselves. Our children have become ambassadors of the British empire unawares! Blacks need to return to learn in their indigenous languages. The Chinese, Russians, French, Arab, and others have the best trained autronauts and space engineers trained in the home language for a reason. You learn better and faster in your mother tongue than a foreign language and you become confident too. They even insist on addressing the UNGA in their mother language unlike African leaders. Why have we been so foolish?
I am further fascinated by how we default to English when speaking to other non-South African people without even attempting to know what language they can speak!!
@Sabelo Mlambo very true, but as well as the black ones? Amazing how our languages are so similar but we look past that. The annoying part is we not even that good in English.
Great chat... just as a note I got attacked by robbers in my home in Johannesburg. I called the police and my security company and the first entity to show up at my house was Afriforum🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ honestly it opened my eyes to the kind of work they do. Keep it up.
The fact that you were attacked in the first place is horrible, I hope things turned out as well as one could hope in those circumstances. It almost sounds foolish to say this - but I hope we can have a country a few decades from now where these violent circumstances are a thing of the past
What a great interview. Thank you. As an English speaking Afrikaans heritage, I appreciate Agri forum. Most of SA don't know the history of the Afrikaans culture.
Ernst is a very intelligent man , I mean I'm not trying to join Afri-FO , but I recognise a level headed person who is also aware of the historical implications that caused this generational instability
Does he talk about the implications in this interview? I have'nt listened yet but all i see is praises for him and Penuel in the comments and I find that odd.
I like how Pen has developed over time in his craft; he is not argumentative but seeks to hear the other side and manages to get the deep convictions of people almost seamlessly. This a great ability that we need coz we get to know people's real nature and views. Great interview and the young Afrikaner brother has represented himself well and has put Afrikaans and Afrikaners in a clearer light.
Excellent interview and a well spoken young man with wide insight in many respects and facets about geo politics and economics. It all boils down to one thing: The greed for money is the root of all evil.
The point about learning about the world in your home language hit deep. Even my thoughts are mostly not in my home language. And its already trickling down to my daughter as shes struggling to speak our home language but relies on English to complete sentences. Another great interview thanks to Penuel. And thanks to Ernst for enlighting us with great knowledge.
Damn, I've never had such fun in the live comment section. Such a great conversation amongst the viewers, I surely wont be missing any premiers anytime soon.. Its refreshing to find a live chat were people aren't just trying to be funny but are willing to persuade each other through dialogue
Great interview, with every guest the podcast elevates to a different level, little bit disappointed that Penuel didn't put some more uncomfortable questions into the mix because am sure Ernst would have taken them like a champ. Great stuff!
Still not learning Afrikaans. Afrikaaners will use this to be the minority rule, the fact that they can't unite people for their cause is the reason they are pushing for this but I'm sorry... British is international and still better option. I can't go anywhere outside of South Africa with Afrikaans.
@@suzygirl1843it takes a lot more than language to unite people. in countries where there is only one language we see just as much drama. the fact that we look through tribal glasses IS the issue and that is true for ALL PEOPLE OF ALL DESIGNATIONS
The part where Penual talks about how the 1976 scholars fought to abolish Afrikaans and speak and learn in English instead of their native languages was powerful, that was deep.
Background: With universal white suffrage in the British colony, the Boer could, through majority among whites in elections, construct an Afrikaans "Leitkultur" to define SA from the 1930s on. The Boers stole the Anglo colonial racial model for their own purposes and renamed it Apartheid. (i.e. used it to engineer a Dutch civilization at the Southern tip of Africa, instead of an Anglo/Afro-Saxon one) The minority buffer class of Asian & mixed "colonially-cooperative people of colour" (Coloureds) had been largely core English in the British Cape colony post 1795, but with the 20th century Boer control, Afrikaans Leitkultur was reinforced. Half a century on, this process among the Coloureds was largely completed. The government then decided to pull the trigger on turning the Natives into "Coloureds", by making all education Afrikaans, which would have taken the natives out of the Anglo cultural Commonwealth within a generation. The British couldn't let this happen. The year was 1976.
@@francoiswilliams Nice try. Drop the victim mentality. Africans are not victims of the British. They put Afrikaaners in concentration camps, not black Africans, that's your battle, not ours. I won't side with Boers over Brits and America, they are international and if I want a job overseas, I shall learn ENGLISH.
We have been fooled by the West. We've wasted 29 years trying to be integrated with people who don't love us. This just proves that nobody can legislate love. It's time we all went our separate ways.
We South Africans are very quick to hate someone because they differ from our views. Especially those keyboard warriors. They are scarcely a positive influence but are the first to leave negative comments. We won’t move forward while always looking backwards. We must focus on whats wrong and the solutions to the problems in a way that benefits everyone. But hate always gets in the way
Ernst is a very brilliant gentleman and only makes me respect Afrikaans people even more. Their history and what they have achieved in relatively a short period of time is amazing we as black people across Africa have alot to learn from them
Oh really? Then maybe we should have our own apartheid where only us get land, education and opportunity then we wonder why everyone else is struggling all around us
@@Azikhale_ sometimes try looking at the world from a higher consciousness point of view. Afrikaans people were marginalized by the British and hated the world over, the Arabs,Chinese and parts of Europe were also colonized but why is it that only the black is the only one still complaining and wallowing in poverty while his own leaders steal resources only to hide them in western banks. Do you actually realize that apartheid was over 30years ago. And in these 30years tell us what the ANC has done for you?
@@theafricanarchitectsoasis All those formerly colonised nations you mention have all their land back in their full control. That's actually the ANCs biggest failure. It was through apartheid that afrikaners got to own of the farms and vast lands to today. So long as it is like that apartheid is still relevant because that was its foundation and it still stands 30 years later
@@Azikhale_ do you know what's amazing, the Transkei has never been touched and has always been independent. Why is it that it hasn't developed or changed in any meaningful way? 🤔
@@seanprinsen7265 Don't say it's was never touched it was only declared a bantu independent state by the Afrikaners in 1962 on their own terms and certainly without the bantus best interest at heart. It was just another insult to blacks who had been already dispossessed then pushed to that corner. It was also an attempt to convince the world that the apartheid policies were "fair" to all when clearly they were only meant to set up whites economically and they succeeded
Ernest van Zyl is all sorts of leadership🙌🏿, i love his brilliance. Penuel is the God he thinks he is!!! Such an informative interview..well done to you both.
Think it's an even maturer mind which can listen, access and determine and then accept and change ones mind if found to be true and better than its immediate and then change for the better. That is indeed a mature mind.
Wow, my brother from another mother I'm proud to be an African. I like the freedom you allow your guests to articulate. We 🇿🇦 are really a significant people. If only we can be united in our visions and African beliefs without fear or favour; what a magnificent country this will be?
So interesting to listen to EVZ's perspective on things. Amazing interview. Thanks Pen. You platform is amazing. You are opening our eyes to so many ways of interpreting and living in the world.
The only positive thing i learnt from Afri forum is that when you do things together,you will succeed.Our black stovels can succeed if they put their money to god use
I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Having lived in SA / Swazi as an American I was always fascinated with its deep history. I have hope for the future with more of these conversations.
I am from Eswatini and I hope you did observe the power of language among my people. Racial integration is a con indeed and has been widely used in the private schools in South Africa to brainwash black kids to hate their language. I know of parents whose kids speak to them in English even refusing to speak in the mother tongue. Sad.
Blown away. To be honest, I didn't have much faith left in a happy future for SA any time soon but this show is giving me a lot of hope. I've just started watching your show recentely, but I'm glad I came across it late rather than never. Great interviewing Penuel!
Black culture stifles accountability. One cannot even question their parents or their older siblings hence the "yes Zuma is corrupt but he is old leave him alone" Its a cultural thing.
Accountability starts at home with your parents. Parenting is where these types of responsibilities and accountability and self respect gets taught. I learned about responsibility and outcome in my home, my parents imprinted that into me. And to make sure that things are right, there is no grey area. It’s right or wrong. Love your conversations, I think this starts making people think. As we as a people have forgotten how to think for ourselves. Also know your worth! 💪🏼
@@tam1641your past keeps you a prisoner we cannot change the past. some are on the wrong side of history and that is a tradgedy. but the answer lies in front, not in the past. that is a tought fact, whether we like it or not
But guys... This white fellow is way too smart... So White Afrikaans had been in concentration camp... I didn't know, but they fought hard to stay affloat economically and culturally... May be Zulus, Tswanas and other tribes should take a leaf from Afrikaans on how to develop their languages... I vowed to never learn this language coz of the history but I must say I like how determined and dedicated this tribe is...
Black forum lets do our own and contribute monthly we can do this people spend lot on alcohol it wouldnt hurt to contribute small funds and we can raise funds to fight our own problems there is high crime we employ private security to our communities there is high unemployment we create employment we clean our communities and we build companies that will be owned by black forum and these companies will make it possible to raise more funds and help our fellow black brothers and sisters attain education and we educate ourself financial education and give our black community more skills
lets do it then my brother and just stop talkin about it. Im down for it 1000%.....everybody who's ready to fight for the future of our bloodline,lets meet here
This is the South Africa politicians destroy but the one I yearn for, of people who may look different but can look beyond their physical differences and still have mutual respect for one another, learn from each other, acknowledge and be proud of their differences and still manage to work together. Maybe someday our people will want more for themselves. It's a mindset thing but this platform is showing us it's possible for us to have triggering conversations and still listen. I realize we do have an inferiority complex generally as a nation, it was good to hear how other groups want more for themselves and view themselves . Let's focus on a happy, safe and peaceful place for all regardless of race. Let's move beyond race and focus on values.
Why do I find it so traumatising that you are a member of Afriforum and give them a platform? A young intelligent black man? Even independent and solitary activism. I'm shook...
Pen, please could you organize something like Ernst and Dr Umar together? Would be flippen awesome to watch. Again, big ups and thank you for all you do
@@francoiswilliams 100% - also Terre’Blanche. If you look deeper into what Malema says, it’s easy to see a resemblance to Hitler as well. Evil is evil, maSatan rebranded himself
I think Joshua Maphonga would be a better and more malleable conversation. Umar Johnson believes white people are demons created on the moon by the evil professor Yaqub. He's also an American that thinks he knows everything about South Africa because he's black. Nothing useful would come out of that conversation.
I like the way Afriforum organise themselves to "fill in in" where government has retreated from it's duties. I can say you guys (South Africans) have standards and are determined to maintain them even if government abandons it's responsibilities. In Nigeria there are many unacceptable situations but the people are still waiting the government to "step in".
They will continue to win because they understand and appreciate the power of banding together for a common cause. I'm a big believer in the "do for self" ideology and approach and I wish we as Africans can start doing that and not wait to be saved by a Messiah who's not coming anytime soon.
@@katleholenong6011 you are so right. However I don't mean to be negative but this is where the foolish excuse comes in the hardest thing a human will have to experience is to look within.
As a generationally old white lady, loyal to South African, to the the Faith, the Teaching of The One who has seen us through these generations of our countries pains and overcomings, my heart sang as I listened to you two principled young men of our country and the thought arose - the Hopes of the best of our ancestors can still bare fruit - until I realized the unhealed pay back under the surface - no acknowledgement of the foundational values of best values laid by self sacrificing men and women TOO whose language like minr ny birth happens yo be ENGLISH. LISTEN ! Yes.
Oh! Yes and I speak XHOSA among whom we lived and worked - lesrming Afrikaans too at school but less able to speak for lack of opportunity - yet admired the best of them also. It is heart trought of each individual South African thst coumts in this land of remarkable people from among all 'tribes'. This is a MOSAIC nation, - brokem pieces fragmented in various shapes and sizes, some chipped, sharpened, worn, - pieces of varied colour, patterns, designs, others smoothly plain - only together fitted in the Good Order of the intended finished Picture will we triumph and show 'the World' what it is To BE a South African. But without knowing what that picture looks like no group or Party will 'get it together' . That picture should, like our languages be imbibed from the fountain of Life with our mothers milk - The picture is LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF. Too many still hsve to learn what that LOVE IS , WAS , WILL BE, in order to rightly love themselves and pass it on to LOVE their neighbour. As themselves .❤❤❤
I love the Penuel show. Only on this show could you find two young South Africans from different back rounds discussing our country's issues with mutual respect and intelligence. We have so much intelligence in this country in every race. I doubt the ruling politicians would be able to keep up with these two gentleman. Too many idiotic and greedy politicians in power, we need guys like this running for President.
This video shows me a young black man and a young white man sitting opposite each other and talking about our country's problems a manifestation of what a beautiful country this can be with this kind of talent.
I guess it's something we haven't had enough of in our country. The willingness to sit together and have an open, respectful dialogue and learn from each other. It's good to see!
I agree. We can work together and make this country great once again.
Bravo! What a beautiful display of intelligence and integrity of well balanced young people. ,in our country. Mutual respect.
Dus so waar van Kaapstad Khoisan 59 year old lady here love to see this happening, so promising
This interview just made me realize the only way forward for our country. Together.
Hit me hard when he said that Political leaders don't even use public health care let alone security. Why are we still voting for these people?
They are already printing t-shirts with their picture to distribute to the foolish voters. They sing freedom songs and give food parcels too. It's time to WAKE UP.
So painfully true indeed. They also send their kids to private schools and also move out to live in gated communicaties. They are all hypocrites!!
It’s a sad reality. No political party is perfect, but it’s time to give someone else a chance.
As an older man, I looked at these two young men discussing a wide spectrum of topics with such mutual respect for each other and it warms my old heart. I watched and listened to the future and hope of this wonderful country of ours, our young people. Mooi so manne, julle maak ons trots.
This comment touched me for obvious reasons. As a young black person, I grew up with friends (whites)and we loved each dearly till this day, with some that are still very close to me to a point where we know each others entire families. The issue here are some elders if not most, from black and white, that are still filled with hatred from the past, causing hindrance and delaying progress.
@@siyatheservant Victim's from the past can not hate first without seeking justice and economic freedom that was brutally taken away from them
I believe that black people in South Africa should learn from AfriForum about the importance of unity and perseverance in the face of adversity. While I do not necessarily agree with all of the viewpoints and actions of AfriForum, their dedication to fighting for the rights and interests of their community can be a valuable lesson for all marginalized groups. Black South Africans should also seek to advocate for themselves and demand equal treatment, just as AfriForum seeks to preserve the interests of white South Africans. Dialogue and understanding across different communities can help to foster a more just and equitable society for all.
How refreshing to hear two young South Africans from different backgrounds cordially discussing history and our current issues to try and undestand each other instead of blaming or shouting at each other. Well done Pennuel for reaching out to Ernst and lending him your ear. Mutual respect for our differences and celebration of what we have in common is the way forward.
Bruhhhhhh!!!🙌🙌🙌Pennuel is just phenomenal
@@Ruby_nba Penuel is bought man. Not learning Afrikaans, sorry. English shall remain
I couldn't agree with you more. This is refreshing
1 African and 1 European invader
@garrysmith3846
And what’s your excuse for living in a European country?
Cannot express what a truly heart warming experience this was. The youth of this country will lead the way and show those who couldn't move forward how to do it. Well done guys! Loved listening
Blessed to be a South African with young fellas like this.
This conversation gives me hope for the future of South Africa.
The best interview yet, Ernest van Zyl is a well read guy. He's well informed historically, politically, economically and religiously! Leadership right there...
@@vuyisilestoffel1641 WoW....now that was a mature reaction
He's telling a lie about the Europeans infiltrating Africa. It was all about the riches under the company Dutsch East India Company(DEIC).
@@vuyisilestoffel1641 cute.
The Penuel Show should be the NO.1 Podcast in Africa, Extremely informative on a different level
You are asking for the impossible, penuel is a clown
heading there
No one is touching Podcast and Chill bro they're basically the pioneers in this space everyone will hold them to that I do too
@@sh96un unfortunately they all about entertainment it's bullshit!
I agree with you
Podcast and Chill they're dropping the standards now
Thank you for the great opportunity, Penuel. Like I said, so many people today have unfortunately lost the ability to listen to anyone who does not 100% agree with them. Many have also lost the ability to listen entirely. "This person is wrong because they are white, black, Afrikaner or Zulu"-reasoning is not going to cut it. It's just a desperate excuse to avoid engaging arguments and ideas you can't refute. Let's disagree, but at least robustly engage my arguments, and I will grant you the same treatment.
Once again, I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, as well as the one we had on my TH-cam channel. Mooi loop.
- Ernst
Hope you'll enjoy the final product, my brother 🙏🏽✊🏽❤️
Perfect conversation Bros yall influence is highly appreciated thank you very much
One thing that a sane black South African cannot deny today is that the Afrikaaners are a one hard working group of people 💯
They can come for me with all sorts of names, but I said what I said and didn't stutter...I used to hate too, but today I have nothing but RESPECT, especially for your work ethic and discipline 🤝🏾
@@understandingaddicts Thank you.
There is such a thing called having no leg to stand on in a conversation
To hear this guy speak so passionately about the mission and purpose of the Afrikaners makes me ashamed to be a black guy without a vision and mission for being black that I am passionate about. My mind is boggled and I am challenged to study what the Afrikaners are doing so I can replicate the success in my small area.
Come on stop
Your name is Ebenezer man, you should worry about that more
It is true,they are successful in family perspective to how they run their business,farms etc.They are very focused from the young age
It doesn't have to be specifically about your "culture". I am an Afrikaner by birth but I think South Africa is moving into a different direction. Ke bolela Sesotho gomme go ya ka nna ke tshepa gore baswa ba naga ka moka re tla aga re be setšo se se tee ka bokamoso. Re tla fapana ka mmala goba ka sebopego empa re a tswana ka botho le ka mokgwa wo re itswara ka wona. Ka boikokobetšo re tšwela pele re amogelana.
This guy is preaching segregation wrapped in some cultural pride
Finally, SA has a Joe Rogan! Thanks, Penuel for the unbias interviewing and insightfull comments of how your community may see some issue in contrast to my community.
This interview is amazing! It's so refreshing to see a conversation between two young men who are so well-learned. Amazing!
All I can is Ernst is a very young smart guy shuuu penuel thank you for bringing him on the show ensrt spoke truth and sense about this country 🇿🇦
What a guy is Ernst Van Zyl 💚and Penuel thank you so much for educating us I learn so much everyday
№1 conversation. Eye opener. This country has hope. Thank you young men.
One thing I like about Pen is how he is willing to talk to all sides
Penuel, no need for me to say, you already know this, but you are on another level brother. I have witnessed your growth since the start and you are becoming a master podcaster. Thanks for your open mind and willingness to hear perspectives from different backgrounds. Discussions like these give me hope for the future. Wish you could broadcast these discussions instead of the 7 PM news on SABC and Kyknet. Dankie meneer Penuel. Groete.
I never even knew what afriform was until this video, im going to become a supporter thank you for this show
I’ve officially become a fan of this channel, what a great platform to share your views and freely speak on the matters we face in South Africa.
Greatly surpassed my expectations. Quality conversation
By far this was one of the best conversations I’ve listened to this year.
Thank you ta Panuel grootman ndiyaythanda indlela ocinga ngayo nangona ngamanye amaxesha ndikhe ndingavumelani nawe kodwa emaxeshen amaninzi uthetha izinto ezikhuthazayo nezinikisa umdla enkosi yhlo.
Ithemba lisekhona lokuba umzants Afrika uyawze ulunge ngenye emini kodwa kusafuneka kusetyenzwe straight.
The reason I respect Afrikaaners is because they are very patriotic hard workers, as a black people we really need to work on that.
Uwatye onke mhlekazi! Camagu! 🙌🏾
And you know through your podcast, I am very optimistic about South Africa honestly. These conversations lead to a great movement that will resurrect South Africa.
We need more young people in politics not these fossils we have now! These conversations are gold
Facts bro this a movement for sure💯
So appreciate this talk!! Thank you for the education! God bless!
Penuel this is the most educative chat you have done. This guy really nailed the language issue and opened the eyes of many. I have an issue with black Zulu/Xhosa/Venda/Swazi kids speaking English amongst themselves. Our children have become ambassadors of the British empire unawares! Blacks need to return to learn in their indigenous languages. The Chinese, Russians, French, Arab, and others have the best trained autronauts and space engineers trained in the home language for a reason. You learn better and faster in your mother tongue than a foreign language and you become confident too. They even insist on addressing the UNGA in their mother language unlike African leaders. Why have we been so foolish?
Mother tongue education is key.
I am further fascinated by how we default to English when speaking to other non-South African people without even attempting to know what language they can speak!!
@@wissyb it's the only foreign language that South Africans are proficient in
@Sabelo Mlambo very true, but as well as the black ones? Amazing how our languages are so similar but we look past that. The annoying part is we not even that good in English.
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Great chat... just as a note I got attacked by robbers in my home in Johannesburg. I called the police and my security company and the first entity to show up at my house was Afriforum🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ honestly it opened my eyes to the kind of work they do. Keep it up.
Fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
The fact that you were attacked in the first place is horrible, I hope things turned out as well as one could hope in those circumstances.
It almost sounds foolish to say this - but I hope we can have a country a few decades from now where these violent circumstances are a thing of the past
Though some months old but highly inspiring Ernst. Very clear and appealing to the truth!
What a great interview. Thank you. As an English speaking Afrikaans heritage, I appreciate Agri forum. Most of SA don't know the history of the Afrikaans culture.
It started in 1652's. And we know where it started.
@@siohonelson9078 And?
So amazing listening to you guys. Mutual respect. Intelligent discussion. Truely uplifting. Gives me hope for this beautiful country!
Thank you today after this interview I am looking at the current Afrikaans people with a better purspective...
Ernst is a very intelligent man , I mean I'm not trying to join Afri-FO , but I recognise a level headed person who is also aware of the historical implications that caused this generational instability
Does he talk about the implications in this interview? I have'nt listened yet but all i see is praises for him and Penuel in the comments and I find that odd.
What ‘historical implications’ exactly?
Very Powerful Interview! We will surely look back at this moment in the future as the turning of History.
I like how Pen has developed over time in his craft; he is not argumentative but seeks to hear the other side and manages to get the deep convictions of people almost seamlessly. This a great ability that we need coz we get to know people's real nature and views.
Great interview and the young Afrikaner brother has represented himself well and has put Afrikaans and Afrikaners in a clearer light.
Excellent interview and a well spoken young man with wide insight in many respects and facets about geo politics and economics.
It all boils down to one thing: The greed for money is the root of all evil.
I only found this discussion today , hats off to the two of you . Great forward thinking open and frank discussion
Incredibly well spoken and well informed… good on you Ernst 👊🏻👊🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Ernest Van Zyl is leadership 🙌🏾
The point about learning about the world in your home language hit deep. Even my thoughts are mostly not in my home language. And its already trickling down to my daughter as shes struggling to speak our home language but relies on English to complete sentences.
Another great interview thanks to Penuel. And thanks to Ernst for enlighting us with great knowledge.
That's your own fault.
I once saw a video of a lady living in the UK with her son, they spoke Zulu. It's your fault your daughter is like that
Excellent discussion and I wish ALL South Africans would listen to this. Well done you 2.
Damn, I've never had such fun in the live comment section. Such a great conversation amongst the viewers, I surely wont be missing any premiers anytime soon..
Its refreshing to find a live chat were people aren't just trying to be funny but are willing to persuade each other through dialogue
Great interview, with every guest the podcast elevates to a different level, little bit disappointed that Penuel didn't put some more uncomfortable questions into the mix because am sure Ernst would have taken them like a champ. Great stuff!
I love you for that comment
Well done to the pen and his diversity of the people he interviews
Still not learning Afrikaans. Afrikaaners will use this to be the minority rule, the fact that they can't unite people for their cause is the reason they are pushing for this but I'm sorry... British is international and still better option. I can't go anywhere outside of South Africa with Afrikaans.
@@suzygirl1843it takes a lot more than language to unite people. in countries where there is only one language we see just as much drama.
the fact that we look through tribal glasses IS the issue
and that is true for ALL PEOPLE OF ALL DESIGNATIONS
Best interview on the national problem, hands down.
The part where Penual talks about how the 1976 scholars fought to abolish Afrikaans and speak and learn in English instead of their native languages was powerful, that was deep.
The English people suppressed all of us Africa people 😆😆
@@francoiswilliams The British Parasite Empire, is Still the Enemy of All South Africans.
Background:
With universal white suffrage in the British colony, the Boer could, through majority among whites in elections, construct an Afrikaans "Leitkultur" to define SA from the 1930s on.
The Boers stole the Anglo colonial racial model for their own purposes and renamed it Apartheid.
(i.e. used it to engineer a Dutch civilization at the Southern tip of Africa, instead of an Anglo/Afro-Saxon one)
The minority buffer class of Asian & mixed "colonially-cooperative people of colour" (Coloureds) had been largely core English in the British Cape colony post 1795, but with the 20th century Boer control, Afrikaans Leitkultur was reinforced.
Half a century on, this process among the Coloureds was largely completed.
The government then decided to pull the trigger on turning the Natives into "Coloureds", by making all education Afrikaans, which would have taken the natives out of the Anglo cultural Commonwealth within a generation.
The British couldn't let this happen.
The year was 1976.
@@francoiswilliams Nice try. Drop the victim mentality. Africans are not victims of the British. They put Afrikaaners in concentration camps, not black Africans, that's your battle, not ours. I won't side with Boers over Brits and America, they are international and if I want a job overseas, I shall learn ENGLISH.
We have been fooled by the West. We've wasted 29 years trying to be integrated with people who don't love us. This just proves that nobody can legislate love. It's time we all went our separate ways.
Broer, I love your podcast. Super inclusive and open mind. My guy, I got no words but mf2 you are the best!!
Congratulations Penuel.
You must be one of the , if not the best interviewers in South Africa
( I am a white Boer )
We South Africans are very quick to hate someone because they differ from our views. Especially those keyboard warriors. They are scarcely a positive influence but are the first to leave negative comments. We won’t move forward while always looking backwards. We must focus on whats wrong and the solutions to the problems in a way that benefits everyone. But hate always gets in the way
Being able to entertain idea's without accepting them. Well said
Congrats Penuel you ar a Community Builder of our Nation.
Ernst is a very brilliant gentleman and only makes me respect Afrikaans people even more. Their history and what they have achieved in relatively a short period of time is amazing we as black people across Africa have alot to learn from them
Oh really? Then maybe we should have our own apartheid where only us get land, education and opportunity then we wonder why everyone else is struggling all around us
@@Azikhale_ sometimes try looking at the world from a higher consciousness point of view. Afrikaans people were marginalized by the British and hated the world over, the Arabs,Chinese and parts of Europe were also colonized but why is it that only the black is the only one still complaining and wallowing in poverty while his own leaders steal resources only to hide them in western banks. Do you actually realize that apartheid was over 30years ago. And in these 30years tell us what the ANC has done for you?
@@theafricanarchitectsoasis All those formerly colonised nations you mention have all their land back in their full control. That's actually the ANCs biggest failure. It was through apartheid that afrikaners got to own of the farms and vast lands to today. So long as it is like that apartheid is still relevant because that was its foundation and it still stands 30 years later
@@Azikhale_ do you know what's amazing, the Transkei has never been touched and has always been independent. Why is it that it hasn't developed or changed in any meaningful way? 🤔
@@seanprinsen7265 Don't say it's was never touched it was only declared a bantu independent state by the Afrikaners in 1962 on their own terms and certainly without the bantus best interest at heart. It was just another insult to blacks who had been already dispossessed then pushed to that corner. It was also an attempt to convince the world that the apartheid policies were "fair" to all when clearly they were only meant to set up whites economically and they succeeded
Great conversation we need more of these. Dankie Penuel
I like the conversational style of your interviews. Beautiful!
Thank you for being so much of your real self Penuel . Stay up brother. Take care and keep digging man , you're winning ❤
Ernest van Zyl is all sorts of leadership🙌🏿, i love his brilliance.
Penuel is the God he thinks he is!!!
Such an informative interview..well done to you both.
We need more of these kinds of frank, open, honest and respectful conversations for the country to grow, get better and move forward. Awesome to see!
"A mature mind is someone who can entertain an idea without accepting it"
"it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea and not accept it"_Aristotle
Think it's an even maturer mind which can listen, access and determine and then accept and change ones mind if found to be true and better than its immediate and then change for the better. That is indeed a mature mind.
Wow, my brother from another mother I'm proud to be an African. I like the freedom you allow your guests to articulate. We 🇿🇦 are really a significant people. If only we can be united in our visions and African beliefs without fear or favour; what a magnificent country this will be?
This guy is fascinating. He's got my respect💯
So interesting to listen to EVZ's perspective on things. Amazing interview. Thanks Pen. You platform is amazing. You are opening our eyes to so many ways of interpreting and living in the world.
Excellent conversation!
Respect to you Penuel!
Brilliant podcast! Such forthright insights, and also a brilliant sharing of culture.
Very good conversation I hope all South Africans listen to what these two lovely people are takeing about. TAKE NOTE.
sometimes it feels like you can walk into the studio and shake hands and say Dankie for a good one. I appreciate your movement Penuel!
That feeling hit me all the time when I’m watching this podcast 💯
Well Spoken young men I really enjoyed watching your interaction, it was respectful, non biased and thought provoking 🙌
This is very informative. Watching you guys from Zambia 🇿🇲.
The only positive thing i learnt from Afri forum is that when you do things together,you will succeed.Our black stovels can succeed if they put their money to god use
Wow! This is true. Stovels are powerful.
I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Having lived in SA / Swazi as an American I was always fascinated with its deep history. I have hope for the future with more of these conversations.
I am from Eswatini and I hope you did observe the power of language among my people. Racial integration is a con indeed and has been widely used in the private schools in South Africa to brainwash black kids to hate their language. I know of parents whose kids speak to them in English even refusing to speak in the mother tongue. Sad.
Well done both of you! A great conversation. Wonderlik om jou te leer ken Ernst!
Blown away. To be honest, I didn't have much faith left in a happy future for SA any time soon but this show is giving me a lot of hope. I've just started watching your show recentely, but I'm glad I came across it late rather than never. Great interviewing Penuel!
Never thought of South Africa as a Region. Actually comprises of a few countries in one. Insightful stuff
I have learned a lot about the Afrikaners from this podcast
Black culture stifles accountability. One cannot even question their parents or their older siblings hence the "yes Zuma is corrupt but he is old leave him alone" Its a cultural thing.
You are delusional. Whites never arrest each other. National Party beneficiaries are still holding on to criminal loot..
You are really delusional.
One of the most frank ,friendly and honest discussions I have heard. Thank you
WOW! This is a SUPER amazing conversation … bravo 👏 👏 👏
Accountability starts at home with your parents.
Parenting is where these types of responsibilities and accountability and self respect gets taught.
I learned about responsibility and outcome in my home, my parents imprinted that into me. And to make sure that things are right, there is no grey area. It’s right or wrong.
Love your conversations, I think this starts making people think. As we as a people have forgotten how to think for ourselves.
Also know your worth! 💪🏼
Anybody that listens to what a white man says and believe it is a fool
You want to make them think and forget about the past right ? 😊
@@tam1641your past keeps you a prisoner
we cannot change the past. some are on the wrong side of history and that is a tradgedy. but the answer lies in front, not in the past. that is a tought fact, whether we like it or not
Thanks for the insightful interview Pen, I think I’ll become a paying member of Afriforum too.
But guys... This white fellow is way too smart... So White Afrikaans had been in concentration camp... I didn't know, but they fought hard to stay affloat economically and culturally... May be Zulus, Tswanas and other tribes should take a leaf from Afrikaans on how to develop their languages... I vowed to never learn this language coz of the history but I must say I like how determined and dedicated this tribe is...
Min 47: "Look at the name, South Africa" Top moment. Thanks Pen, for these sort of discussions. Very good indeed
Seeing the future of Our Beloved Country by witnessing this talk.
Deep Gratitude.
More young men and woman like these two people will make south africa a fantastic beautiful futuristic country. Keep going guys,well done.
Black forum lets do our own and contribute monthly we can do this people spend lot on alcohol it wouldnt hurt to contribute small funds and we can raise funds to fight our own problems there is high crime we employ private security to our communities there is high unemployment we create employment we clean our communities and we build companies that will be owned by black forum and these companies will make it possible to raise more funds and help our fellow black brothers and sisters attain education and we educate ourself financial education and give our black community more skills
👊👊👊👊
lets do it then my brother and just stop talkin about it. Im down for it 1000%.....everybody who's ready to fight for the future of our bloodline,lets meet here
This is the South Africa politicians destroy but the one I yearn for, of people who may look different but can look beyond their physical differences and still have mutual respect for one another, learn from each other, acknowledge and be proud of their differences and still manage to work together. Maybe someday our people will want more for themselves. It's a mindset thing but this platform is showing us it's possible for us to have triggering conversations and still listen. I realize we do have an inferiority complex generally as a nation, it was good to hear how other groups want more for themselves and view themselves . Let's focus on a happy, safe and peaceful place for all regardless of race. Let's move beyond race and focus on values.
The most interesting podcast I've ever listened to. Well done my fellow South Africans
Happy Monday to you all. I hope you had a great weekend. Looking forward to reading the comments, especially the ones who don't agree or are angry.
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this was such a kak interview...it was more of a public relations platform to allow Ernst an opportunity to express his bias.
@@phatsimomatlapengholdings8340 explain which parts u have problems with exactly?
Why do I find it so traumatising that you are a member of Afriforum and give them a platform? A young intelligent black man? Even independent and solitary activism. I'm shook...
@@phatsimomatlapengholdings8340 So he's not allowed? You're a racist dude, plz go Kak ..
Penuel you are the real black pen.
Thanks for creating that atmosphere it makes you question your own standing as an individual
Great conversation 👍🏼👍🏼 We all want the same things in life, don’t we?
I don't always agree with Penuel, nut I must say that this podcast was truly inspiring and informative.
Pen, please could you organize something like Ernst and Dr Umar together? Would be flippen awesome to watch. Again, big ups and thank you for all you do
Umar reminds a lot of Verwoerd...
@@francoiswilliams 100% - also Terre’Blanche. If you look deeper into what Malema says, it’s easy to see a resemblance to Hitler as well. Evil is evil, maSatan rebranded himself
@@JesseClark33 Korrek ...all these black racists, nothing between the ears, all blabber and bs...
😂😂😂😂😂
That would be something !
Don’t forget Dr Joshua Maponga + Cyril In the mix 🍿🍿🍿
I think Joshua Maphonga would be a better and more malleable conversation. Umar Johnson believes white people are demons created on the moon by the evil professor Yaqub. He's also an American that thinks he knows everything about South Africa because he's black. Nothing useful would come out of that conversation.
I am not an Afriforum fan but a good conversation Penuel.
I like the way Afriforum organise themselves to "fill in in" where government has retreated from it's duties.
I can say you guys (South Africans) have standards and are determined to maintain them even if government abandons it's responsibilities. In Nigeria there are many unacceptable situations but the people are still waiting the government to "step in".
Thank you once again
I enjoyed this fully
Jeez what a beautiful Conversation!
Something in me compelled me to watch this episode, and I'm glad I did.
Great interview I am inspired by this conversation
They will continue to win because they understand and appreciate the power of banding together for a common cause. I'm a big believer in the "do for self" ideology and approach and I wish we as Africans can start doing that and not wait to be saved by a Messiah who's not coming anytime soon.
Korrek 😆
True. I think also when money gets involved there is someone that wants to steal it
Funny enough the very same Messiah you mention left the world with a new commandment that was to simply love one another. There is power in unity.
@@intellifly747 eish it's sad.
@@katleholenong6011 you are so right. However I don't mean to be negative but this is where the foolish excuse comes in the hardest thing a human will have to experience is to look within.
As a generationally old white lady, loyal to South African, to the the Faith, the Teaching of The One who has seen us through these generations of our countries pains and overcomings, my heart sang as I listened to you two principled young men of our country and the thought arose - the Hopes of the best of our ancestors can still bare fruit - until I realized the unhealed pay back under the surface - no acknowledgement of the foundational values of best values laid by self sacrificing men and women TOO whose language like minr ny birth happens yo be ENGLISH. LISTEN ! Yes.
Oh! Yes and I speak XHOSA among whom we lived and worked - lesrming Afrikaans too at school but less able to speak for lack of opportunity - yet admired the best of them also. It is heart trought of each individual South African thst coumts in this land of remarkable people from among all 'tribes'. This is a MOSAIC nation, - brokem pieces fragmented in various shapes and sizes, some chipped, sharpened, worn, - pieces of varied colour, patterns, designs, others smoothly plain - only together fitted in the Good Order of the intended finished Picture will we triumph and show 'the World' what it is To BE a South African. But without knowing what that picture looks like no group or Party will 'get it together' . That picture should, like our languages be imbibed from the fountain of Life with our mothers milk - The picture is LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF. Too many still hsve to learn what that LOVE IS , WAS , WILL BE, in order to rightly love themselves and pass it on to LOVE their neighbour. As themselves .❤❤❤
This interview is making me think about a lot of things without any biases
I love the Penuel show. Only on this show could you find two young South Africans from different back rounds discussing our country's issues with mutual respect and intelligence. We have so much intelligence in this country in every race. I doubt the ruling politicians would be able to keep up with these two gentleman. Too many idiotic and greedy politicians in power, we need guys like this running for President.