Hemoglobin: The Forgotten Limiter to Cycling Training & Performance

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  • Discussing the importance of catering your cycling training and recovery measures towards maintenance of sufficient hemoglobin levels.
    If you are interested in the science behind high performance cycling, I'd recommend reading this study in it's entirety: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36404...
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  • @melbournecyclingsegments7510
    @melbournecyclingsegments7510 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lying here cooked after a big day.. Listening to the soothing tones of JC talking about haemoglobin

  • @adambuttenshaw
    @adambuttenshaw ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Jesse…. I bloody love your content BUT can you please put bar tape on that ‘ken bike 😂!!! I gave you a like just so you can get some bar tape 😛

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ha ha ha what color?

    • @latte6878
      @latte6878 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed silver bar tape matching the bike would look absolutely sick

    • @discbrakefan
      @discbrakefan ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Black is the only acceptable colour for bar tape

    • @Eirikkinserdal
      @Eirikkinserdal ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Depends on the color of the saddle Dave
      But i only have black saddles anyway 🤣

    • @nanthilrodriguez
      @nanthilrodriguez 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@discbrakefan incorrect. Brown bar tape looks slick on a metallic dark green bike, and orange looks great on a blue bike.

  • @pjetrs
    @pjetrs ปีที่แล้ว +32

    You’re really on a roll with your channel lately, absolute gold
    Thank you

  • @EJGilb
    @EJGilb ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The Hb to watts correlation is huge. I can literally use my power meter to tell me when I'm getting Anaemic. For context, I have UC (Ulcerative Collitis). I tend to slowly leak blood, and I can't get enough dietary iron (Iron tablets make symptoms worse). So when I detect my threshold starting to drop even by 10-20w I will get a blood test and often have low ferritin. Then they give me an iron infusion and my Hb shoots back up to ~140 within a few weeks. This happens once or twice a year.

    • @vr4966
      @vr4966 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I leave this up to my soigneur.

    • @ricf9592
      @ricf9592 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was diagnosed with low iron levels. I was given iron tablets and noticed a difference in about two days. VO2 Max currently 80.0

    • @peecee1984
      @peecee1984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My hemo is 120. Have coeliacs. Iron is mid range. Any tips?

    • @EJGilb
      @EJGilb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@peecee1984 I'm not a doctor, but it could potentially be that you're losing blood a touch quicker than your body is able to replenish up to full red blood cell count. Being really strict with the diet and fully eliminating gluten may be your best bet if your iron levels are showing ok. If you have already, it could be something else.

    • @peecee1984
      @peecee1984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @EJGilb thanks for that. Yes, I do find being extremely strict on diet is best for me. Great point. I will look into possible blood loss reasons. 👌

  • @a.l.s.718
    @a.l.s.718 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    that is not boring at all, you really improved your game here mate, that is next level info... amazing content... keep up with the good work, we are are thankful for that!

  • @Irondukesteve
    @Irondukesteve ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great advice Jesse! I’m a GP in the Gold Coast and some of my patients are athletes that we test regularly for these sorts of things along with monitoring for underlying disease that might impact performance.

  • @aeciosegundo7779
    @aeciosegundo7779 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the updates, Jesse!
    Keep it Up!
    ♾️
    ⚡️

  • @NathanGuerraTV
    @NathanGuerraTV ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cheers Jesse, super solid information here, Thanks!!

  • @alisonlumelaudur
    @alisonlumelaudur ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good and valuable content, please keep sharing your knowledge!

  • @MrJaycobsen
    @MrJaycobsen ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well explained, thank you.

  • @cyc00000
    @cyc00000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and info mate, thanks for posting.

  • @marcvb3364
    @marcvb3364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great stuff! Insight like this really differentiates and puts you above other training oriented channels

  • @jankonarzewski5038
    @jankonarzewski5038 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great content! Love the approach you are using in your coaching and willingness to share with the wider audience. Reading the scientific studies and explaining it to the average Joe is fantastic (hope more people will find your videos, instead of learning what to buy on GCN...). This stuff is great as it applies to any sport and general health! I used the same strategy during my swimming career (iron being always a metric hard to increase). Thanks for sharing and hope to see more of this kind of videos!

  • @michaelgriffiths305
    @michaelgriffiths305 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great quality video dealing with key indicators to improved perfornance. Really insightful. Thanks.

  • @TheCyclingCardio
    @TheCyclingCardio ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a Physician, I fully approve this 👍🏼

  • @casey-joerumens2567
    @casey-joerumens2567 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the best content around. Nice work bro, thank you. I got a lot from that 💪🙏

  • @thecyclinggreek274
    @thecyclinggreek274 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent stuff. Thanks!

  • @richjlaw
    @richjlaw ปีที่แล้ว

    Not at all boring! Great video.

  • @philadams9254
    @philadams9254 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Good video. Water and carbs are the most crucial here and why people often say they lose power when losing fat - they're cutting carbs and tanking everything, especially if huge calorie deficits are involved, destroying recovery. The heat training protocols work because they push your plasma (water) to the limit and make the body increase the volume to compensate. You really need to stay hydrated for that to work though. That volume dilutes the red blood cells but after about a month more EPO is generated to balance it out.

  • @silviugheorghe7118
    @silviugheorghe7118 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super video, full of precious infos. I have learned a lot. Thank you

  • @olekmehera7256
    @olekmehera7256 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super important info for beginners and people who are wanting to boost performance :) good stuff mate, you're doing god's plan as our Rim Brake Conservation Officer ;)

  • @avalanx
    @avalanx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You deserve more subs mate, great work!

  • @mostwhowanderarelost
    @mostwhowanderarelost ปีที่แล้ว

    This is genuinely good content in terms of the physiology of the sport on an accessible level

  • @richardacerra2975
    @richardacerra2975 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good science-based information. Fair play!

  • @kerolah
    @kerolah ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video! This will help way more people than you think. So many adults are low on B12.

  • @cfau6290
    @cfau6290 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @Viamscience
    @Viamscience ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is some good stuff. Plus… rim for the win!

  • @DISCOhooch
    @DISCOhooch ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks coach.

  • @lkeshlifestyle9383
    @lkeshlifestyle9383 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the explanation👍 Im a new subscriber.

  • @duwy.
    @duwy. ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @stevepowley7929
    @stevepowley7929 ปีที่แล้ว

    A1 content thankyou for sharing

  • @Geo1995gunit
    @Geo1995gunit ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good ish, dawg. Very well put forward information I know you trawled through a lot to filter this out

  • @alainpfammatter8224
    @alainpfammatter8224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video. Thank you. Dylan Johnson style

  • @adamsims6490
    @adamsims6490 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff Jesse! P.S. most GPs have no clue about this when you request it for a blood test.

  • @mathias4894
    @mathias4894 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    been anemic about 6 months now, i can totally confirm Hb importance to training. Also not having an angry digestive system helps

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently had my blood work done and I couldn’t believe my hemoglobin and RBC were both on the low end of the spectrum. I ride so much I thought it would be at least normal ! Great video.

    • @wisskier
      @wisskier ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had this problem too. Nutrition I do believe was the thing that fixed my blood quality. That nutrition problem also led to illness and crashed training. Once I started nourishing appropriately and all of those problems went away.

    • @RB-xv4si
      @RB-xv4si ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He kind of went over this in the video, but not super clearly. What you experienced is normal. Hemoglobin is measured as a concentration (mg/dl where I get my blood tests). So one thing to understand is that total blood volume and hemoglobin often do not increase linearly. Even though you likely have increased your total hemoglobin mass in your circulating blood, your blood plasma volume has increased even more than your hemoglobin. So on a test that measures its concentration, it’s showing as a lower concentration in the normal range. But if you were to get measured on one of those fancy machines this guy mentioned, it would likely show a total hemoglobin mass on the higher end, assuming your body is responding to your exercise as it should.

  • @kawkaw20
    @kawkaw20 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome knowledge, I'm combining these exercises with yoga such as kapalbhati which increases oygen intakes. I'm also amazed at aussies and their fitness knowledge 😅

  • @JJ85J
    @JJ85J 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super!!! Thank you!! I train a lot (20h) and I have anemia problem for overtraining

  • @brucegelman5582
    @brucegelman5582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video.This is the core of performance.If most pro riders arent "boosting" hemoglobin they arent winning races.Nothing is more foundational to performance.Thanks.

  • @lukestait3527
    @lukestait3527 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video bro

  • @nejcgjurameke3037
    @nejcgjurameke3037 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best video!! Did my test at end of the season and found out my ferritin and b12 were kinda low hematocrit was at 46. started iron ,b12 and D suppliments and bumped hematocrit to 49,5 and hemoglobin to 165 over the off season

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice. Just need to maintain that through the next season, which should be easier given you know what contributed to the drop in Hb in the first place

    • @nikgracanin6180
      @nikgracanin6180 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bro be careful with that high levels of hematocrit so you don't become mr.60%

    • @alavroff01
      @alavroff01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sub 60% hematocrit are u even riding bro ?

  • @gavinhornibrook1935
    @gavinhornibrook1935 ปีที่แล้ว

    100% can vouch for the importance of having your blood on point. I get random anemia and it just throws you flat, completely halting performance improvement.

  • @MrPeperoni79
    @MrPeperoni79 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bjarne Rijs et. al. made a very comprehensive and conclusive field study on this issue.

    • @PlayaBoss96
      @PlayaBoss96 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr. Sixty! Ketchup Blood

  • @chrismadge7292
    @chrismadge7292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are right blood rarely gets a mention in training adaptations conversations. Great video.

  • @henrikmadsen6446
    @henrikmadsen6446 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Indurain and Riis havn't forgotten about hemoglobin.

  • @oldkayakdude
    @oldkayakdude ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another topic many people ignore is the genetic impact on training. There is a growing database of genetic data tied to athletic performance.

  • @durianriders
    @durianriders ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Using sufficient anabolics got me same 20min watts riding 50km a week than when I was doing 1000km a week.
    The boost you get from extra hemoglobin is NIGHT AND DAY and the more trained you are the bigger you will feel it.
    That is why we see such crazy spikes in performance in running, swimming and cycling at certain times of the year - BOOSTED BLOOD vs NATTY BLOOD.
    IYKYK.
    Guys like JC if they did my protocols fully and got on the same stuff the big names are on would be right up there with them or beating them. There isnt much difference inside but it is what you add extra or leave out that makes the difference at the top when everyone has pretty much the same engine genetics.

  • @ironmantooltime
    @ironmantooltime ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dude you should insert cutaways of an alter-ego wearing a baseball cap to lighten the tone and add some comic value 👍

    • @pabtorre
      @pabtorre ปีที่แล้ว

      Have him talk about how all this is just a way to get more kom in Strava...

    • @ironmantooltime
      @ironmantooltime ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe make him slightly skeptical of the science you're quoting, like he's more like, innit bro 😂

  • @bradmcgarry1195
    @bradmcgarry1195 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Jesse,
    I am interested in your thoughts on structured training programs for Juniors, especially younger cyclists i.e U13 up.
    Also, is nutrition as important for younger juniors as it is for older riders?
    Noting: races for younger juniors is usually less than an hour. But there can be multiple races over a Junior weekend race program.
    Cheers

  • @stevenbalderstone709
    @stevenbalderstone709 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is hematocrit a proxy for measuring haemoglobin? You did a good job of explaining the science behind how over-training degrades performance. Dylan Johnson will be jealous!

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes for most people, in most scenarios, testing Hb or Hct will have the same outcome

  • @andersnyberg4034
    @andersnyberg4034 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For many years doctors always asked me if I was taking something. Never understood why until they called me up twice after blood tests when I got covid. The doctor asked the same questions. But this time the female doctor told me why, because my blood values are so high.
    Hematocrit: 0.52
    Hemoglobin: 180 g/mL
    This more or less backs up why I've always had it easy for endurance training.. Combined with a lungvolume between 6,5-7 liter. But sadly got asthma so avoid max sprints and focus on endurance.

    • @peecee1984
      @peecee1984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow. Freak stuff there. Mine are 40. And mid 120. 🤮

  • @jonathanlaue3460
    @jonathanlaue3460 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Since when was Haemoglobin forgotten? Ever heard of EPO?! As Tyler Hamilton said after a transfusion “I realised the power I had wasn’t in my muscles. It was in the blood in those bags.” Very high km’s at low intensity and very little high intensity is how you train this but most amateur athletes don’t have the time required. Fact.

    • @jenorite80
      @jenorite80 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, hardly forgotten!
      Changes in blood content is only like THE BIGGEST issue facing the sport from the 90s 'til now!! There's a reason pros spend all that time at altitude before major races...

  • @heikkisanelma6625
    @heikkisanelma6625 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Due to my medical condition i take ~4 times a year basic blood screen, Hb is unchanged in long term trend between 135-145 for 20 years. in the last 3 years of these i have a 580-620hr annual years of training of which 90-92% is aerobic training for half and full ironmans. 4 years prior to that the training volume was 450-550hr with little more bias to strength and conditioning, but still majority of full spectrum of aerobic triathlon training.... the 13 years prior to hat is more or less 350-400hr annual hoiurs with some interval running and mostly anaearobic and astrength bias cross training in the gym... body seems to refrain in the selected homeostasis in the biochemical status, but for sure the plasma volume is way up now, thus larger mass of Hb... and this is why heat training can help aerobic adaptations...

    • @heikkisanelma6625
      @heikkisanelma6625 ปีที่แล้ว

      just my empiric observations for over two decades

  • @veganaus
    @veganaus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zinc also Jesse. Zinc, iron, B12 holy trinity of RBC production

  • @Hill_Walker
    @Hill_Walker ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How useful would sleeping in an altitude tent be, for passive training of your blood?

  • @StephanieLuff
    @StephanieLuff ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think about this way more than I probably should, but reintroducing heme iron sources has correlated with fitness improvements for me. Unfortunately I can only pick two: vegetarian, athlete, menstruating female

    • @stopbanningmeonets3514
      @stopbanningmeonets3514 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you think that is? What if you take iron supplements whilst being vegetarian ?

    • @runzization
      @runzization ปีที่แล้ว

      Elemental iron-glycinate, fumurate, glycinate etc is often sold in high amounts (25mg) causing digestive issues, inflammation, oxidative stress.
      Heme iron (iron in the blood) is direct and bioavailable with 20% greater absorption

    • @pabtorre
      @pabtorre ปีที่แล้ว

      Oat meal is a great source of iron, much better than any meat other than oysters.

    • @runzization
      @runzization ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pabtorre no it's plant based which is non heme iron and non heme iron has to convert in the blood to be absorbed. Also the fiber in oats can in some sensitive individuals cause binding further reducing iron absorption.
      Plant based yes Carnivore based yes. We are all omnivores.

    • @pabtorre
      @pabtorre ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@runzization good to know. I was confused about that. Thanks for clarifying.

  • @Second247
    @Second247 ปีที่แล้ว

    Important thing to note as doping was mentioned. I've listened some doping-coaches and one of them said that endurance atheletes have been most dangerous group to work with on terms of doping getting you killed, and this from guy working with bodybuilders. EPO is dangerous.

  • @burnsideisback
    @burnsideisback ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn't there a Placebo song about this? "Hemoglobin is the key, to a healthy heartbeat". Never known Brian Molko to be wrong on matters of fitness and health

  • @trunx168
    @trunx168 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great content and interesting approach! What's your thoughts on regular blood/plasma donation? I've been giving plasma every 2 weeks and constantly riding around 400km/week. Feel like the 'fresh' blood plasma the body produces after each donations, helps maintaining the stamina. Plus Redcross gives a free Hb check every 2 weeks. :)

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is a fantastic service you are doing by donating blood. But a big stress on the body to regenerate that blood and not good for performance unfortunately. In the study I was quoting they stopped doing the blood analysis within 4 months of the world record attempt because they didn't want it to impact training

    • @tomghc
      @tomghc ปีที่แล้ว

      I personally switched to donating platelets/plasma because donating blood was having a noticeably impact on perf for more than just the day of/day after.

    • @trunx168
      @trunx168 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching sorry it's plasma, not whole blood. And I agree on giving whole blood can put a big stress to our body, but not so much with the plasma/platelets because the replace the same amount of fluid we give. Depending on our blood types, some are more suitable to giving the whole blood (O type), some for plasma (AB, A and B) and some for platelets (A and B). I'm on the plasma and platelets category, so I get to check the Hb level every 2 weeks. One of of the benefit visiting Redcross regularly. :)

  • @robertgreiner4703
    @robertgreiner4703 ปีที่แล้ว

    what excercicses (bike/gym) are the most effective to level up my timetrial performance on a tt bike?

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Jesse Coyle: Hemoglobin: The Forgotten Limiter to Cycling Training & Performance
    Collin Charthier: 🤔🤨

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว

      so did you get your new bike?

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I have a Kestrel Airfoil frameset on the way TT, just waiting: haven't made up my mind yet: SRAM 10 speed R2C setup, SRAM 11 speed R2C setup, as for road bike, UT6770 Di2 or UT 6780 Di2, frameset -->> thinking of Velobuild's Pinarello F lookalike VB-R-218, but I'm dying for an old Pinarello Dogma or Prince frame🤣

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว

      @@savagepro9060 Well I remember it was a while back. I saw a comment that you were getting a bike you're taking your time so it's going to be awesome!.
      So much to choose from. It's crazy

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed indeed, and when I'm done, sell out all the surplus

  • @Kermitonwheels
    @Kermitonwheels ปีที่แล้ว

    Very not boring

  • @ironore8677
    @ironore8677 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a serious math question. If I avg 250 watts steady for an hour on a loop will my time be the same if I avg 250 on same loop but spike big watts up a couple short climbs yet back off enough after to still avg 250 for the loop?

  • @glywnniswells9480
    @glywnniswells9480 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about breath holding like freediver training wouldnt that improve haemoglobin?

  • @midsfella
    @midsfella ปีที่แล้ว

    Does taking blood anti coagulantts blunt or reduce training adaptation?

  • @silverburn55
    @silverburn55 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve recently had 2x heart surgeries (stents), and I’m beginning to worry about my ability to train aerobics. I’m 52 with a 51 VO2max; is increasing aerobic performance worth the extra risk of disrupting my stents?

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm not qualified enough to answer this, one for a cardiologist to answer

    • @silverburn55
      @silverburn55 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching My cardiologist is a moron; he only treats obese cardiac disease patients normally. He just glazes over when I talk about "Threshold" or "lactate threshold".

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders ปีที่แล้ว

      depends on how high your blood pressure is.
      Why did you let people do stuff to your body when they can't answer the questions you have about it?

  • @Timo-qb1gf
    @Timo-qb1gf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doesn't everyone do that even if not knowingly. The base phase / Z2 training impact largely is considered complete when your HR has dropped and stabilised on a given effort which usually takes 6-8 weeks. That's mainly the plasma volume component as your study said. And when losing fitness you loose the excess plasma volume when not training.

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Increases in hemoglobin mass can occur for months and months, not something that is maximised in 6-8 weeks. I think many riders who hit plateaus in training after 3,4,5 months are doing so because they've hit a limit in how much their hemoglobin can increase, because they aren't optimising the things discussed in the video. There may be many other reasons for plateauing, this one I think is not discussed very often.
      Also the idea that once you reduce your HR drift your foundation is built and only then should you increase the intensity of training doesn't really make sense. And even if it did, HR will always drift when exercising, even at low intensity, there's no way to quantify what is a "good" amount of drift, and the drift can be impacted by many things like acute fatigue which are unrelated to fitness increases so that becomes a wild goose chase

    • @suadmahmutovic6542
      @suadmahmutovic6542 ปีที่แล้ว

      So hance you should always be working on Zone 2 which really is not just base but huge recovery method especially lower end Zone 2 is my understanding. Getting out of the middle so we can go hard when need to and not always be under recovering.

    • @jenorite80
      @jenorite80 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes you are correct Timo, blood volume is quite responsive to training and not training. This is why it feels so tough the first few rides after time off the bike.
      And yes HR drift is a good practical measure, all other things equal, for the internal physiological response to external effort.
      Though there's plenty of benefits gained from Z2 aerobic stimulus beyond reducing HR drift for given power. Which I'm sure you still do beyond the base period. As any decent coach with a sports science degree will tell you and also help with increases to blood volume and haemoglobin mass/haematocrit to support high oxidative capacity if that is relevant to your race/event goals. As of course very important for a road racer, or pursuit rider like in this video, but not so much for ultra rider as they aren't going to max out oxygen consumption!

  • @kylehagertybanana
    @kylehagertybanana ปีที่แล้ว

    those new handlebars are so fucking beautiful I keep staring at them in the last few vids

    • @rayF4rio
      @rayF4rio ปีที่แล้ว

      No kidding. That stem looks like its 200mm. 😀

  • @rushvelo8145
    @rushvelo8145 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jessie u23 cyclist here, I've tried searching for athlete specific places to test blood and have come up empty handed is this something a gp can do to give all the required stats for an athlete

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว

      GP can do it. Or most countries have companies where you can order blood tests yourself, like iMedical in Australia.

  • @Jam789
    @Jam789 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a cat 4 guy. According to your suggestion, I need to have more recovery and nutrition parts? But how? I only have about 8 to 10 hrs to ride per week

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว

      You don’t need more of either, you need sufficient recovery and nutrition. You may already have both

  • @SuperYobo
    @SuperYobo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My hemoglobin is at 13.5 normally, now 11 after hard training weeks. That’s anemic. I take iron, b and d vitamins. Hematokrit is now 36 from 42… don’t know what to do. I feel ok but what if my lvls was higher

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders ปีที่แล้ว

      now you know why oxygen vector drugs are just part of the recipe if you want to be a champ.

    • @SuperYobo
      @SuperYobo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@durianriders almost healthier to take epo on these hard blocks to not get anemic..

  • @4lumi
    @4lumi ปีที่แล้ว

    The main limitating factor for hemoglobin formation is not vitamins and iron but is genetic and is determined by erythropoietin levels (EPO), that's why there is doping

  • @ChanningSmith1
    @ChanningSmith1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you happen to know how accurate your finger prick hemoglobin tester is? Bought one after watching this but my results are all over the place. Super inconsistent even with as little as 5mins between tests. Not sure if it’s my machine in particular or if these style of tests are just not very accurate. Ps I don’t squeeze the finger and I make sure my skin is clean and dry.

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The meter itself is accurate, the inconsistency comes from the blood sample. Needs to be a strong finger prick with plenty of blood flow to get reliable results. With a good sample I can get it consistent. It's useful in testing athletes if they haven't had a blood test to make sure Hb is in the normal range. I've found my Hb is stable so personally am not regularly using my meter

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wasn’t recommend Hb meters in this video either, just saying that I bought one and have been testing it, still need more time with it

    • @ChanningSmith1
      @ChanningSmith1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nerocoaching Thank you Jesse. Would you do another blood video in the future with some of your insights into the tester? I know it’s probably a boring one to put together but man it’s the most useful insight I’ve learned all year for sure! Thanks again.

    • @ChanningSmith1
      @ChanningSmith1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Update: I get very consistent blood test readings now that I take a “baby aspirin” 10mins before finger prick. Aspirin seems to help prevent the blood from clotting so I can get a better sample on each finger prick. Still super grateful I found this video, thank you Jesse!

  • @rodgrierson9621
    @rodgrierson9621 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any credible research on increasing hemoglobin through breath work?

  • @odinschneider7238
    @odinschneider7238 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: Does donating blood lower your fitness? Or is the recovery full?

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes donating blood will acutely impact performance and if you do it regularly is an increase in chronic stress on the body to regenerate that blood. Which is unfortunate because we could do with a lot more healthy people donating blood!

  • @louisvuittondom
    @louisvuittondom ปีที่แล้ว

    Does getting blood taken when fasted affect hemoglobin or ferritin tests?

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends how long you've been fasting for

    • @louisvuittondom
      @louisvuittondom ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching a lot of the time they tell you to fast for 24 hours before a blood test in the USA

  • @miguelzg4734
    @miguelzg4734 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question about only taking sugar. What about the teeth and all that stuff? Don’t get rotten if you take too much sugar??

    • @DurianriderCyclingTips
      @DurianriderCyclingTips ปีที่แล้ว

      Sugar is ph neutral.
      Sports drinks, juice, soda etc are acidic and can cause errosion of the enamel.
      Dehydration causes teeth decay because a dry mouth means saliva cant protect teeth properly.
      Low testosterone/estrogen cause teeth issues.

  • @davidh8600
    @davidh8600 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just had my hemoglobin tested at blood donation 168 g/L. That might explain why I can drop lighter guys on the steep climbs😅

  • @FitnessSynthesis
    @FitnessSynthesis ปีที่แล้ว

    should you train harder with high hemoglobin mass or just stay in zone 2 training

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if hemoglobin was low or decreasing, and it wasn't an anomaly, it's a sign you're not getting a favourable training response so should back off the load. I don't see it a reason to train harder just because hemoglobin is high

    • @FitnessSynthesis
      @FitnessSynthesis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching so you mean to say as a counter part of it. if hemoglobin is increasing base on training you should increase training intensity?

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure what you mean, training should be based on usual training principles according to your event or fitness targets

  • @avoycendeether8869
    @avoycendeether8869 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well I think coyle/coggan sort of proved that most of VO2max detraining was related to loss of blood volume. In fact, didn't they just add plasma after detraining and restore most lost VO2max? That's why I call them the fathers of blood doping. I'll mention one more interesting thing that sort of brings peripheral and central together...most cyclists, in a TTE trial at ~75% VO2max, will reach exhaustion when cerebral oxygenation has decreased by about 5%. That's some good info you won't find in the literature. There's no easy/safe way to increase cerebral O2 in isolation but my bet is if you could time to exhaustion would increase materially.

  • @chrisduffill5248
    @chrisduffill5248 ปีที่แล้ว

    A good way to increase you red count is to train at altitude too , this will grow the oxygen that the body can do … this I found when racing X country racing langlaugh skiing

    • @chrisduffill5248
      @chrisduffill5248 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also found a month after I came down to normal altitudes the levels came lower again …

  • @gongalab
    @gongalab ปีที่แล้ว

    the point is that MTB riders have higher hemoglobing levels generally becaouse we train most of time at high intesity where Hr IS ALLWAYS IN ZONE 4,5,6 OR RATHER SAY WE RECOVER IN hR zone 4 . The point is we do produce less power in terms of force x cadence but we have lower pedal force but higher cadences due to terrain changes and interestingly we out run road cyclist at most of climbs becaouse their cardio system is not well adapted to severe tempo changes and constant sprints their cardion just can t cope and they have less effective lactate buffer so thats what makes us faster at most of terrains. There is no secrecy to it its just MTB is high intensity training in general and roaD CYCLING SEEMS TO BE MORE LONG HOURS STEADY STATE trainings to kind of get more muscular adaptation but hey what wins the race is being good at zone 5,6,7 . So im surrprised you mentioned this in 2023 what is well known since decades ago. As well hill runners are very good in MTB and road climbing races despite they never trained each of disciplines but rather theeir nature of training is as well high intesity where Hr is constant at zone 4,5,6 they rarely see Hr at level zone 2 or 3 unless they walk on straight or recovery run. From my personal experiances and training 3 months prior to race my Hemoglobin was raised till 183 and Hematocrit 54- and believe it or not i was warned i might be suspended becaouse my number of hematocrit was out of 49.99 limit for UCI. But i can say the feel on up hill with this values seems like riding a flat road not uphill due to insaneVo2 max-power increase. :) at age 40.But trainings include much ov high velocity -cadence and high force on pedals but short bursts which are repeated at very short recovery periods. And body response as it does.

  • @dannyzuehlsdorf3697
    @dannyzuehlsdorf3697 ปีที่แล้ว

    so does increased hemoglobin mean increased EPO?

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Other way around. Riders will go to altitude to naturally get an increase in the hormone EPO (or inject it illegally) which tells the body to produce more red blood cells (and therefore higher hemoglobin)

    • @dannyzuehlsdorf3697
      @dannyzuehlsdorf3697 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching aha. Makes sense. Thank you.

    • @4lumi
      @4lumi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching But EPO is mainly limited by genetic factors, isn't it? You could assume a loto of vitamins and iron, but if you have low levels of EPO this will have little effects on your Haemoglobin

  • @yuritarded621
    @yuritarded621 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Only person I watch that even talks about blood is durianrider. He talks a lot about vegan because it's gonna help you a lot when there's minimal fat flowing and blocking your blood. He talks about about hydration so that you have better blood volume. And he talks about sugar so that it can flow into your muscles so you can perform better. I think fitness is all about in the blood. And also when talking about recovery, you missed sleep, sleep is very important because not getting enough sleep and sleeping late at night effect our hormones as well.

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree Durianrider is one of the few people I've seen that bring it up regularly

    • @philadams9254
      @philadams9254 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching There is another TH-camr called Ash Beech who used to be very active but stopped. He did loads of videos on it too. Anyway, DR and Veganism have their haters but you can't say it's not optimal for blood quality!

    • @latte6878
      @latte6878 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@philadams9254 why aren't most pro riders vegans then? Red meat is the absolute best source of iron. Vegan alternative iron suplemets are hard to digest and not much of it gets absorbed.

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can perform well on a vegan diet (I have), but I wouldn’t say it’s preferred for blood health over any other healthy omnivorous diet. There’s nothing special about it, if anything it makes it harder because you’ve got less foods to choose from to hit your nutritional targets

    • @philadams9254
      @philadams9254 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching Did you delete my comment? That info on iron is legit and worth talking about if making videos like this

  • @lorenzfrass9499
    @lorenzfrass9499 ปีที่แล้ว

    Optimal b12 levels for performance and hemoglobin as recommended by Durianrider are around 1500, so quite above the normal range. What do you think about that Jesse? I mean, the dude really knows his stuff, so what b12 do you personally aim for?
    Also for anyone doing a blood test and finding that b12 is low: To quickly get those levels up you should either get injections or a spray. I have recently seen a video where a dude compared his levels on injections vs the spray and it was equal. So a spray might be an easy solution for everyone not wanting to inject themselves with something.

    • @SuperErgergergerg
      @SuperErgergergerg ปีที่แล้ว

      What spray was it do you know? My b12 is pretty low after blood work : \

    • @lorenzfrass9499
      @lorenzfrass9499 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SuperErgergergerg I have one from a brand called Betteryou. Dont know if that is available outside germany though. You can get any type of b12 spray and it will work the brand or exact product doesnt matter.
      The oral absorption from the spray is just going to be much better than a pill. And faster to get your levels up.

    • @SuperErgergergerg
      @SuperErgergergerg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorenzfrass9499 Gotcha, thanks!!

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The standard reference range definitely goes too low for an athlete. I don't know if 1500 (pg/mL? or pmol/L?) would lead to better RBC, this study found Hb plateaued once B12 got above ~700 pg/mL (www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/4/1038).
      Mine on my last blood test was ~1200pg/mL, after I had been taking 1000mcg tablet under the tongue 3x per week.

  • @czeckson74
    @czeckson74 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hematocrit 0.49 (same as age)

  • @TheMerckxProject
    @TheMerckxProject ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Did you miss the 90s and the 00s? It was all about what they could do with their blood to improve performance back then. 😆😆😆😆

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders ปีที่แล้ว

      Still the same today bro. The times are even faster. Just look at marathon, 5k etc.
      The drugs are way better and we understand how to pass the tests better, pharmacokinetics etc.

  • @garrettwelsch7117
    @garrettwelsch7117 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't really get reliable blood tests for hemoglobin. Hemoglobin varies day to day based on hydration and other factors. I have had blood tests done both minutes apart and still be off by 0.5 g/dl, even up to 2.0 g/dl a few days apart.

  • @Zen_Cycling
    @Zen_Cycling ปีที่แล้ว

    "Riders will dope... to increase their hemoglobin... It's worth sorta sayin" :)

  • @thiscocks
    @thiscocks ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EPO

  • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
    @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To increase hemoglobin jogging is good. People who hate the jog the best way for cyclists to improve hemoglobin is heat training.

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว

      For cyclists elite cyclists heat training is how they increase hemoglobin. Can altitude do it? Yes it can. But heat training is more effective when it comes to the density
      Altitude training teaches your body to use less oxygen, therefore the restriction of the oxygen is what pushes hemoglobin increase.
      But a more effective way is heat training

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Indeed, Ijust googled the notion that jogging increases hemoglobin. But, by that token of physiological reasoning, shouldn't triathletes be the fittest freaks on Earth? 'Jus askin, DUDE!

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว

      They are!

  • @roadracer1584
    @roadracer1584 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Be like Lance. Do you want to improve your performance? Take EPO.

  • @Southerncyclist
    @Southerncyclist 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its amazing to me how many people spend so much on bikes and gear and ride all the time. Then they don't even take a multivitamin. Frickin crazy.

    • @teachertanteaching
      @teachertanteaching 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s because human is irrational and emotional when you see beautiful gears

  • @DeTaPix
    @DeTaPix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another way to increase blood volume and in turn red blood cell count is to take cold showers. They are proven to stimulate capillary growth which then demands more blood to be present in the system.

  • @peterers3
    @peterers3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Training Lots having fun, eating Well Not going too hard and recovering. Getting healthy meals and Supplements to Support Ur Training and Recovery. Skip to min 7:02 If you have enough of His Hämoglobin blabbering

  • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
    @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Go look at my Strava today I was flushing out. The jogging soreness.
    My cadence was at 130 + for minutes at a time. That's how you keep your hemoglobin and recover at the same time.
    I'm not your enemy. Jesse, I just know better than you

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Phhbbbt!

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha ha ha 🤣 yoo000! Poet what's the word?

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed The only guy, besides, TH-cam [shhh] remembers me as 'POET'🤣

    • @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
      @HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed ปีที่แล้ว

      @@savagepro9060 ha ha ha ha 👊😂 my memory is still ok 🤪🥴😆
      Did you hear about the non-vaccinated sperm being worth more than gold?, 🥳🥇 Look it up 😆

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed holy shit, Hey Harry, I looked it up. I've a goldmine in my balls

  • @douglasbooth6836
    @douglasbooth6836 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 58% red blood cells. We don’t know why. I get a half litre taken from me every month. When coming to my yearly etspe I don’t give blood.😂
    This why the professionals train and live at altitude. Add blood doping you are miles higher than anyone else.

    • @nerocoaching
      @nerocoaching  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DM me, I'll take some off your hands 😆

    • @douglasbooth6836
      @douglasbooth6836 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nerocoaching the problem is your legs are always behind your cardio. At my age anyway. It’s why riders need time to get race fit after being at altitude. Can you imagine how the guys felt after getting an extra 1/2 litre added to themselves before a race back in the 90s. They must have felt like superman.

  • @nationsnumber1chump
    @nationsnumber1chump ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Merida. More bike.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว

    FIRST!

  • @LuisSantos-zq9nb
    @LuisSantos-zq9nb ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Crazy to see amateurs drilling themselves in reps and more reps and volume and having no clue about their hematocrit, b12, ferritin!