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- I don't mean to say that all the top streamers are struggling, I just have noted a lot of people claiming to be god tier at other games then struggling to have any success in The Finals. There's a lot of aspects in The Finals that players are struggling to learn and adapt to.
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The Finals plays damn near like a sport. It requires a different type of game-IQ, coordination, and awareness than other FPS games.
big brain game
Only other FPS I’ve had to think this much in was Overwatch (at least to climb out of plat 😂)
Ngl this game is simple compared to Apex
@@FatManJackTV I didn't say it was complex. I literally said "different".
Ah my b
my buddy often goes 0-X or maybe 1 or 2 kills. In almost any other shooter he'd be considered trash, but in this game he PTFOs HARD, and single handedly can win us games with his next level mind games and clutch steals. there's often a lot of games where we'll have negative KDA but win the entire tourny. I love that this game rewards objective based gaming
Exactly you can just win by being smarter its awesome
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PTFO a battlefields favorite saying is now swore golden rule in this game.
My favorite strategy is dropping two flashbangs on the cashout then crouching and stealing while the defending team is madly shooting above me at head height.
@@MiaChillfoxthat’s smart. I love letting a team open a cash box and swooping in with invisible cloak once it opens and taking the cash and running off to deposit in Bank It.
Finals isn’t complicated at all. People have lost their sense of objective based play because they perverted what COD and other games used to be about, OBJECTIVE. team wipes and lack of coordination are the only reason why a vet isn’t dominating and I see plenty of “vets” playing little builds thinking they’re going to be “movement gods” and get kills and end up being embarrassed
That's why I always get first place on the leaderboard when playing domination on COD... because there's a lack of people playing the objective.
Definitely. Every time I see a teammate try to solo a team, I know theyre just going to die. And sure enough, they do without even getting a kill themselves. They just think they can solo a team like in other shooters, but you can't...And that's why I love this game.
I love games where you can succeed without getting the most kills. It's what I love about the Assassins creed pvp. It's all about strategy. And in the finals, team work and strategy is more important than kills. I played a game recently where one team had like 15 kills each. They lost. Because despite the kills, they got killed a lot and failed to cap objectives.
People also seem to lack strategy for wins, too. Pink team has a vault already, and is capturing a second one to win. So the orange team and blue team should work together to take out the pink team, since the game won't end regardless of which of the two wins the vault. But instead, I so often see teams just shoot on sight. Like sure, orange, you wiped blue, but in the process you gave pink the win. Good thing you killed me while I wasn't near the objective.
Good damn point.
@@STARPHASEYou’re preaching brother i’m not a fragger (I can rack up numbers sure) but i’m a tactician first and foremost and I win gunfights by outthinking people. This game rewards teamwork and great strategy, this is not one of those games where your shooting skill is the only relevant factor.
Great comment.
@@STARPHASEyea that’s annoying
That vault save at 7:23 is incredible
yeah I was really scared that was going in. Luckily i was able to toss it far enough to stall
@@Appohstroke?
@@rei3032 yes
Bruh no way you did that
It was bounced of the cashout box that's why he grabbed after the kill
I love how the finals feels to play, its almost like an FPS breath of the wild in how you can use the environment to your advantage and think outside the box.
The biggest thing in this game is remembering that there’s other things you can do besides just using your weapon. To cause damage and disrupt the enemy team and doing so is sometimes just as valuable if not more valuable than causing damage
This so much. A friend of mine runs no *real* utility and wonders why he goes 1-10 against those that use their utility. I abuse every part of my kit, and I'm not good but regularly go positive *and* win.
I think the only time I struggle (I always solo q) is when other teams are coordinated enough to get a good defensive set up on the cashout and my team is fragging out but always dead or just bad/unhelpful
yeah in an objective game kills are so tricky to quantify how useful they are, if you get 10 kills but none of them helped your team then you didnt do well. you could go 3/10 but iof those 3 kills saved a cashout thats more useful. It's really tricky to teach people that and it will just take time!
@@Appohi think you both are forgetting that not everyone cares to play the objective and just wants kills esp when it comes to randoms. honestly you’d enjoy this game way more if you stopped caring about what your teammates are doing in non ranked gameplay and just play for fun and the pure chaos. you will never be able to control what others do so just focus on playing the best you can and you will win more often than you imagine. I have 1700 life time wins in Apex solo q only
the only time i struggle is against 3 heavies or 3 mediums each running turrets. why is this allowed
Yeah solo qing in this game is god awful... I do it for majority of my games and it's just so damn frustrating going into a bank out and 80% of the lobby is playing light or 30-40% of the time when i play either mode i end up with 2 lights on my team. Hell even if i play with a friend. That third slot being wasted on someone who doesn't stick with the team, goes off on their own and goes 2/10 ruins the match for us because it means every fight we go into we're down a person
@@Mysticfateee i definitely have more fun soloing casual than ranked. Way easier to carry even if your teammates are bad since your opponents aren’t as sweaty. You can get a lot of clever solo plays cleaning up fights between the other two teams or sneaking a cashout steal
There are so many more variables that come into play in this game. There’s no cracked movement (outside of the light quick dash), cover is destructible, there are multiple different damage causing throwables readily available, there is almost always multiple squads on objective, teams can shield, heal, and shoot back at you all at the same time, among many other factors. The fact of the matter is that there is so much going on in the game at all times that even seasoned FPS veterans are struggling to learn such complex combat mechanics because those mechanics aren’t required in most other games. The finals has a very unique combat system and is unlike 99.99% of all other FPS games out there.
Exactly its not just an fps, its an esport with a first person perspective but the knowledge from those games dont always apply
I learned how to slingshot myself across the map with the light grapple just yesterday
the red canister and proximity sensor trick?@@provaricus627
I would agree with you about most of this but I disagree that there isn’t cracked movement, just less macro movement tech spam like apex. There are so many different ways for medium and lights and even heavy’s if you know what to do and learn. Putting a jump pad at an angle, learning the proper curve for the grapple, along with jumping off a zip line right before it would knock you off giving a massive speed boost, bunny hopping with high velocity, the list goes on. The difference is that the movement in the finals has to be learned and you can’t just activate some niche glitch to cause your character to go flying (aside from bugs and unintended interactions) unlike apex. But I absolutely agree with you, this game requires an extra level of thought in everything you do.
This may seem like a weird observation but the philosophy of tf2 seems present in this game. How movement and positioning are just as Important as aim, the classes all having different strengths and weaknesses. And also the amount of customization and creativity can be put into load outs.
i think tf2 might be one of the closer games to the finals, it is a good comparison
A lot of embarks developers also worked on battlefield titles, including battlefield heroes. The finals looks the most like battlefield heroes imo.
Too bad aim assist is literal aimbot
not only tf2 (both of them), but elements of dota 2 as well. the invis grenade light has is almost a 1:1 port of the smoke grenade from dota 2. they are even visually simmilar.
@@Appoh at this point its actually an innovation of TF2
Coming from a background of lot well known FPS and huge variety (from CS 1.5 1.6, Quake, BF, and so on) for me The Finals is a huge fun to play. It's remind me the most of Team Fortress 2. Gadget, different health pool, tank , Healing gun, turret etc. and of course objective mode match that's so cool. But i perfectly understand than some of ppl struggle with this kind of game. You have to be creative and now with those recent game and technology (full destroying decor, use of objects) show a huge skill caps. It's easy to see the difference between good and average players.
yeah the skill gap is HUGE
Yep I asked another player over chat, so how you been liking team fortress 3 ? It really is reminiscent of tf2
It's been quite the experience for me since I usually only play games such as Ready or Not or Ground Branch. Aka the exact opposite of The Finals lol
as someone who plays tf2 a lil' bit is the finals similar to it? idk anything about it but after hearing how certain class matchups need to do different things to succed i thought i might be decent at it
I knew that I am not alone who thinks it is very similliar to TF2, but proper description should be TF2 meet Battlefield and they have a beautiful child.
Great points in the video. Subbed for your moment, absolutely crazy dude
This is probably the best video I’ve seen in awhile where what you’re saying and using it in a real time gaming clip fuse into a fire video
As somebody who grew up playing FPS early on (Half life 1+mods, SOCOM, into the Halos and COD's) and stopped enjoying them early on into adulthood, I'm having a blast in Finals! It focuses on fun and nothing else. Picked up heavy on day one and was immediately dropping 15+ kill wins solo queing into quick cash. I really do love this game and hope it only continues to expand on what they have because it's an absolute gem
I haven't played it yet personally it seems fun, but everyone i know that plays doesn't understand why it tracks losses if it's based around having fun, especially in the casual mode.
@@Xamxar My problem with the loss track is that everything but being first is a loss. There is no counter how many times you have been 2nd, 3rd or 4th. That's the stupid part.
@@D4ngrs Amen dude, I feel that.
"If you ain't first, you're last" - Ricky Bobby's dad
@@ProjectPushups 2nd place is the first loser
For real bro, I adore this video and your mindset, it is a wonderful example of how all gamers (especially FPS and competitive gamers) should think and the overall mindset that should server as a foundation for each player, it would completely change the gaming world and bring everyone's full potential out. Letting the genuinely best players rise to the top, not just those with best muscle memory or the ones that use easy loadouts to compensate for lack of skill (which would not work when used against players that actually use their brain when playing.)
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a launcher where other approved companies (kinda how steam has) can upload their games to the platform and get 90% of the sales for the game where 10% goes to us. All games and dlc will be screened so games without honor or dignity (including cash grabs like mw3) will not be allowed on the platform. Kinda like a sanctuary for gamers and devs. A place where the "suits" of any company wont exist but will be replaced by gamers that are passionate.
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@@threadhazard
It's not the same game as valorant . Apex or cod. Maybe if you get out of that mindset and take it for what it is. People would stop complaining. The game feels pretty damn great in console...I feel for you guys on PC with the cheaters ..but at the core the game is very adaptable.
100% agree, its a very unique title and the logic used in other games doesnt always apply. I am sure with enough time passed people will start to understand the game more and people will succeed but I'm truly so glad that embark made a unique game that is a new spin on the fps genre
@@Appoh it's fast paced team oriented and has those last second nail biter moments like a great competitive game should .
oh 100% its such an insane game i love it!@@Valkyriecorp
@@Appoh Really depends in the publishers do anything about the rampant cheating if this game will succeed and even compete with other big bois. So many FPS games die out because the company just lets cheaters/hackers run rampant. It was leaked 60-70% of the Global Top 500 are all in a Discord that has a hack/exploit that basically makes you an AI aimbot on keyboard. Just being in the Discord isn't solid evidence... but going to say most of them aren't just in it for curiousity.
love this. Used to igl in pubg, almost lost here, ttk feels like forever too. will try and use these tips, big thanks, loved the vid honestly
that aps turret on a object blew my mind... what a perfect nuke counter will be keeping it in a reserve slot from now on, i could see it becoming meta for medium early game
APS should be an absolute requirement if you're an Anchor-type medium player; But keep in mind this is only true for Tournament modes. For the "quick play" don't sweat it. It's basically either a kill fest in Bank It or a 1v2 team cashout defense simulator.
@@otak_agreed aps is a tourney level item
People are actually playing tourney? Oof
@@cmnidit4444why wouldn’t you? You get more xp and FRS for the exact same thing. Like on a per game basis. Getting knocked out in the first round of a tournament gives more rewards than winning a quick cash.
@@joshwalkowiczits prolly about fun too. Limited respawns in tournament lead to a more campy gameplay while Bank it and especially Quick cash matches are always chaotic as hell with everything around cashout centre falling into rubbles
Subbed for this video. You clearly have an understanding of this game that I've been waiting to hear. You see the layers that this game has to it and how much pure complexity exists within it.
People are currently attracted to the simpler strategies, only because they are simple and easy for someone with only so much time in the game. But with time, I'm sure that more overlooked strategies will come into their own.
You've reassured me in my commitment to always be experimenting, trying to learn the ins and outs of this game;
But I think I will, ironically, listen less to content creators. People like you aren't so quick to try to boil the game down, but others insist they have solved The Finals, and for those people I have my doubts.
I am going to try my best to keep learning this game, i have a like 6 page spreadsheet on all the info i have gathered on the game and i add to it all the time, change it all the time. keeping an open mind is like the biggest hurdle for some people i swear. everyone keeps claiming that certain tactics are either overpowered or underpowered, then i test everything against it and often find i can either counter something or make use of it, even tracking dart, a gadget everyone thought was the worst, is now being used by top players on occasion and seeing great success. I even have to rewrite my scripts for my videos all the time because my opinion changes day to day. I may even look back on this video thinking I was wrong, but thats the beauty of the game and I intend to embrace that and keep learning and never get stagnant in my mentality
Amen brother. This is the beauty of a new game. Maybe someday a meta will emerge, but that day is many days from now I think. @@Appoh
Damn, that gameplay footage was super fun to watch haha
Fantastic Explanation of how to play the finals.
Thinking outside the box is something I have always done in games and this lets me take it to the next level. Fragging out is not always the way in this game.
I have a lot of friends that are just stuck on COD and cant play any other game because they have a run and gun mentality and nothing more. Shroud said it best, COD brain.
But i keep telling them that it is a plus to have the slayer skills but now you just have to think a bit more critically due to the Environment, Gadgets, and diffrent classes.
It feels more like a sport than a military situation
truuu, it is a virtual game show after all
@@Appoh and i love that concept...the in-game commentary really helps to build that tension filled-feeling aswell
I'm only struggling with the rampant cheaters or people abusing reWASD. Being laser beamed from across the map and people never missing a single shot is a near impossible hurdle to overcome
this
real. I was hoping / thinking the video would go into this as the reason. FPS games need to bring back only ONE INPUT or have separate queues, with a casual mixed queue to play with friends.
nailed it.
99% of people aren’t using rewasd get good stop blaming everyone who smokes you as simply cheating. Blaming something else for yourself being bad is a very easy way to stay bad at anything in life
Agree with this if it keeps going it could be the games downfall
I'm glad you showed that last clip. Playing solo queue in tournament and ranked tournament a lot I so often see my team mates just be kill hungry when it's actually to our disadvantage to be hungry for kills. By doing so we let a team that's just as good or even better continue to be competition. A little tip for people that play quick cash, a similar strategy can be used if the winning team is about to win and you see someone from a different team going for a clutch steal to extend the game, let them steal it so that you have a chance to come back later. Killing them only leads to you immediately losing for preventing them stealing from the opposing winning team.
everything you mentioned is exactly why i love this game. i have pretty shit aim, but just adapting to situations. the game is relatively simple but all the different factors where i really have to make a quick decision is so much easier to me because most players aren’t use to that.
People play the finals like its a tdm and its not, i look at finals like im playing an alternate football game and my team wins alot because of it. Play the objective, block the enemy from getting at ur team mate with the cash. Protect the cashout.
exactly
so many fps players forget objectives exist lol
I need to find a team that will regularly play and use comms. I'm gold 1 but it's a painful struggle doing it solo. Getting to round 3 or finals to then lose all the experience over the next few matches. Mostly because teamates aren't sticking together. I'm having to choose a teamate to follow. I do everything possible to get them to meet up and stick together. They never listen.
this game is extremely comms and rteamwork driven, i suggest trying to discord to find people
@Appoh yea I have a few people who play but they don't have as much free time as I do, they have kids or work long hour so it can be difficult to get on at the same time. It goes a lot better when we together.
yeah i feel that man@@johncapewell7520
@Appoh yea I've uninstalled it. I was hyped for this game but they lost me as a player now. Need a ranked mode that only solos can join I've won about 2 games today and had the worst randoms I've ever come across. Dropped down to gold 3. No fun whatsoever.
@@johncapewell7520I’m gold 2 and be getting teammates playing ranked for the first time
that light gameplay was fucking NUTS dude holy shit good stuff. youre amazing at this game
great vid m8! good info. lol im used to valorant so ya u can imagine a guy like me had a MASSIVE adjustment period LOL :D
if you understand teamwork ur probably already better than half the playerbase haha
I really hope this game stays. It has a lot going for it. The amount of cheaters and the unwillingness of people to learn how to play the game worries me a fair bit bc I love this game a lot
yeah people are struggling to learn i swear
@@Appohit's made the Bronze / Silver rank climb SO dynamic and fun.
I'm gonna make a bet and say that it isn't(knowing the gaming industry) every time someone says they want something unique what usually happens is something unique gets released and nobody plays it and then everybody wonders why they're bored of gaming and it keeps happening, hope they enjoy the 50th cod that's a fraction of what it use to be as usual.
btw, it doesn't make me happy to say that at all but the fact is a lot of good games die or are on their last legs because no one bothers to play them despite "liking them" really grinds my gears as ill usually find out about the game right after it dies or just before and wonder what could have been(except for hyperscape, I will die on this hill that that one wasn't actually that good, even so despite my despise for it, it didn't deserve to go out the way it did especially since ubisoft had previously ate the cost for r6 to succeed and they couldn't even bother to try and get hyperscape out there more?)
I really hope I'm wrong this time cause I caught interest in the finals and I might try a session or two or make it my next obsession, we'll see.
It won't. Unless you have more mass appeal, a game like this won't last. And mass appeal is lost when you have a game that doesn't adhere to certain standards. I'm enjoying the finals, but even I'd say that I'll stop playing after a while.
i felt super at home from playing alot of battlefield 3 and 4 and the teamplay that came from those games
I havent played a lot of bf since wayyy back but the understanding of destruction is a very new concept for many people
@@Appoh Battlefields main crossover here is the aiming system being centered to your screen rather than where the reticle is on the weapon. BC2 had the best destruction but no game had it as good as this but a small few like red faction
6:17 that movement bro, so good 👍
This is absolutely beautiful, knowing the tactics of spray and pray, face-rolling idiotic*strategic* playing in cod and other games that do not take genuine skill nor intellect, knowing this is the issue for "pros" of fps games makes my heart warm, knowing that in the near future we might see some games that have realistic weight, traits, and other aspects of the experience fills me with joy. it is absolutely amazing, finally a step in the right direction for fps games.
Maybe even in our lifetime we will see a game that feels as smooth to move and control like that in cod without all the floaty unrealistic movement and so on, such as animation canceling and switching weapons taking less that 3 seconds (even with the "heaviest" and "slowest/longest" in cod switches as if you were on crack cocaine.)
This video is absolutely a wonderful example of how fps games should be played and designed. Pure phenomenal example. Wonderful video, thank you.
reaaaaaaly hoping they're not going to tweak with weapon stats and metas too much. sometimes leaving things alone is the best option, especially as players are just starting to really experiment and understand the mechanics. really feels like a game of chess right now, hope that stays! it's a do or die.
People soo used to having grips and red dots on guns. Just play learn as you go and have fun. Love the finals🔥🙏🏾
amen brother
Great video. Sidenote: You sound like Edward Norton
Dont know who that is had to google him. I dont hear it but i mean its hard to distinguish your own voice. Luckily he sounds good so ill take it as a compliment haha. Ty for the support!!
I enjoyed the video quite a bit. One suggestion for future videos would be to use footage related to the topic you’re exploring
I try to do that but dont always have footage of the topic so in some cases u will see the video matches in other cases it doesnt. Im a small time creator with a full time job and other hobbies, i make nothing doing this so its hard to find the time to record that much footage. I do the best i can with the time i have
Its just hard for ppl to break away from that k/d matters most mindset, and switch to working as a team and taking L's to save your teammates or save cashouts
Agreed. I found that usually the teams with the most elims have the least obj scores and usually never win. Unless it's a discord team and some experience which is super rare. I won more matches with 2 elims than teams with 15-23 elims.
its cos the finals has alot more variables, most modern fps's are, hold w, hold left click, lock to head, use ability occasionally if ur game requires it, the finals isn't just an fps, its a competition that just so happens to have a few guns in it. it requires adaptation and on the fly intuitive thinking as opposed to following the most efficient approach every single time doing the same thing, same character, same loadout, same strategy for hours on end
yeah it requires a lot more understanding of the game, aim and fps skills are still great to have but you need so much more to thrive
I disagree. This game is very very similar to Overwatch. For me it translates incredibly well. Top 10 in Overwatch just this last season. And I’m alr max rank in this.
@@sonnecarvertbf though the games he described don’t sound like ow. ow itself is kind of an anomaly the same way this game is, it requires much more thinking than your average fps game, so it makes sense that some skills are transferable.
This was just an absolute amazing video i been solo climbing the ladder as a light and it rough i find my MMR or rank i find my teamates just think kills and combat score is why you win or lose. i have to play 5-10x harder smater and more technical than my medium or heavy players that base the whole game off damage or kills
have not had this much fun playing a fps game in a long time. so much fun! Medium stacked teams with the insta rezz is so ridiculous lulz. after a few hours we had a good mesh chemistry wise and it really made this game that much more fun.
If you're playing unranked with randos, lights are a wildcard because they might not actually be any good at playing light (see: me playing light for practice). A below-average medium is still much more effective than a below-average light player. When I play ranked, if a light joins my team I'm gonna be like hell yeah, they're gonna kick ass.
If you see an opposing team with all lights, they're either gonna wipe the floor with everyone or fail hard.
iot reminds me of like genji in ow, or yasuo in league, or jett in valorant, or whatever game wanna compare to, its difficult but has potential
There’s also the fact 100s of the top players use scripts to cheat and get controller aim assist on keyboard and mouse. Top that off with scripts that reverse the recoil pattern of guns making them essentially lasers
cheats are a big issue i agree
Great synopsis. This game really clicks for me and i've been enjoying it and getting creative.
Respect. You understand The Finals and explained it to the people. Thx.
The only gripes I have is the rpg 1 tapping lights, it should definitely leave us at 1 hp, plus the Lewis is way to overtuned, to the point that it's kinda feeling like the best of all worlds for heavy, and I think the heavy should excel up close and struggle abit at range rather than just having the best gun in the game, so just nerf those two things slightly and heavy would be perfect I think.
Med is honestly perfect, I normally hate turrets in games but this one is counter able by getting behind it or you can blow up the floor under it to get it out of your way without even needing to look at it.
And light shouldnt have so much invis, I wonder if the devs would consider removing the special entirely and add a self heal that boosts speed instead, than all lights have invis just they gotta give up a gadget, or they gotta remove the gadget, having that much invis is abit much I think, and invis is just always such a pain point regardless of the game and i really dont wanna see this game struggle with that, it's just such a pointless thing to struggle with as devs, most people dont like invis and while I think the finals has done invis fairly well as it's only onna 150 hp target and to get the good version of invis you gotta give up movement but running invis special with the nade makes you unable to even be seen outside of your invis for an entire game bascially 😂
I think the rpg one tapping lights is more than fair when 80% of the lobby is spamming cloak and double barrel shotgun
@@setht_training that's why they should also touch invis as I said, invis is just always gonna be a problem tho so I honestly think having it as a gadget is good enough, I really hope they consider removing invis as a toggle button because yea even as a light I can agree it sucks facing an entire lobby of permanently invis players with 1 shots lol
@@setht_training but some people may wanna play light for the weps or certain playstyles that prob dont deserve an hp nerf so having a specialization that just makes you a tankier light with some self heal would make it more appealing to more players since if you remove invis than light just becomes the hardest class to play and light wont see much use compared to the others. Which will also happen if you nerf invis since invis either sucks or is op in most games I've seen it In.
The problem with lite class is the way people play. I find they either murder everything or just die over and over. It puts your team in a bad spot most of the time because your engaging in 2 on 3.
My problem when playing light is i always get wither caught between points by people who think its cod, or when i try to flank the third team shows up behind me of all places for some reason
I really enjoy the team based objective and how different classes work together, when you get a good squad its so much more enjoyable working together, that said I play a lot with randoms and its infuriating when they play it like COD and just run off, I had a message of another playing telling me to unisntall the game as I only had 6 kills and he had 18, but he failed to notice myself and the other player had objective points, less deaths and higher support points.
Most of the tournament wins I have had have come from either all Medium or 2 Heavys and a medium.
I just hope they bring more maps sooner rather than later, I can see people getting bored in a month or 2 if nothing new is added.
As a side note it would be nice to be able to use the game credits (VR`s) on something as once all the weapons, gadgetrs etc are uinlocked they become pointless, even its 60k to open up a specific weapon skin or something.
My friend and I have been goofing off and haven’t lost a ranked tournament yet from bronze through the start of platinum. Can’t wait for the competition to get a little stiffer.
You say light class is supposed to be the squishy but big dps class but that’s kinda hard to believe when the heavy has 2 one shot things. The nuke and the rpg.
Both do tons of damage, ill post vids explaining this stuff later
Gun-wise the Light is very strong, however I’d say MOVEMENT is the big thing that counters the squishiness more so than the guns. Light also has some good utility options outside of stun cheesing (glitch grenade, cloak bomb and small C4 are great)
People just need to learn to ply this game for what it is a team based objective based shooter i have so many teammates just running around the map trying to frag out and it just causes us to lose bc most the time the other teams are always together
tell me about it, every random i get does this. I just play with friends
Hell I have a friend who does that and we have to keep telling him to stop being John Rambo and get back to the team lol. He always keeps setting off mines and traps too and we have to deal with the fallout.. this is definitely not a game for a "hero" mindset
I have thousands of hours in call of duty games and at first I was struggling a little bit in the finals but then I thought back to my old school rush days in battlefield and now I win 1 out of every 3 tournaments I play. Teamwork is extremely heavy in this game and I really like it.
As a top 500 tank player in overwatch I think your correct on difficult transition from games, I’ve been trying to get better at finals it’s very hard I think decision making is so important in this game and knowing the time u have to steal instead of rushing it
game is dead easy if you have a team its only hard when u have npcs not playing as a team
Very interesting video. I think this is why I enjoy the finals so much. I’m not that good at FPS games in general - I don’t really have much experience in any of them. However, when I’m with my group of friends we seem to do relatively well most games. The last ranked tournament we played, the last match was against a MMM team all using the FCAR. It was very clear they were WAY better at FPS games than we were. Their aim and positioning was spot on. Despite this, we still ended up winning the tournament simply because we had better game IQ. We would lose fights but held the cash outs way better than they did. It makes the finals a game that any skill level can enjoy.
I had a pretty similar experience actually, 3 medium team final round they just chased for kills and when we executed to steal cashouts we won and ended up winning 20k to nothing because they got too greedy and didnt know how to play objective.
My issue with this game now is not even the classes or whatever. I learned to deal with everything and to control the recoil. The issue is the players. They think they're good, but they f'ing suck. All they do is rush straight to the epicenter of the hurricane and they get melted and wiped in seconds. So stupid. It's like.. dude, you have a rifle! Why don't you shoot with it from over here where it's safe? You don't need to go there in the middle of it all and get blasted by all sides. oof. Also, when I stopped getting mixed with their BS following them towards death, my KD went up considerably. Last match I played I did 15/1 with SCAR while my team kept suiciding non stop.
gotta find people from discord or something randoms can be hard to deal with
@@Appoh Yeah, since you said it to me the first time I found a discord from my country. I played with lots of people and I still haven't found the right folks. Gladly I've been playing Tarkov and Arena (it's the TDM version of Tarkov). I'd say it's easier for me to get good on that game since I know the top dogs instead of meeting new players on The Finals who might be somewhat good. lol
@@CeceliPS3 thats fair, the finals is super complex and people are just not good yet
Yea I've just had a light who was running and boosting into the cashpoint way ahead of us and he would just start trying to take the cashpoint with the enemy team surrounding him. Continually I watched his blue dot go into the building and immediatly turn into a skull.
I think the problem is that almost all the weapons have severe damage drop off. You don't win by backing off and shooting from a safe distance or by being accurate and controlling recoil. You win by having 3 people shooting at the same person. It doesn't matter how good you are at this game, nobody is good enough to survive 3 people shooting at them at the same time. That is what you encounter at higher ranks. 2-3 people shoulder to shoulder.
i started out playing the light because i assumed that was the role built around getting kills and taking fights over using utility, which is usually what i play in other games with my same teammates. we also assumed one of each class was the idea lineup. taking 50/50 gunfights and hitting all headshots but still getting dropped by heavies due to hp mismatch got extremely frustrating. switching to the MMH lineup lead to much more success, the guns and hp pool are just so much better on the medium in most situations when it comes to taking straight up fights or full on team fights. don't feel that much of a loss from losing the light utility, and gained a ton having an extra defib. i'm sure a ton of people are in this same position in their squads, so that might be the change needed to start doing better.
As a player coming from Overwatch 2 to The Finals, its insanely fun, (I main the sword) (In OW2 I main kiriko & lucio) I feel like yes; there's a learning curve because of mechanics but it has something for everyone in this game so you'll find your spot. Its fun and worth learning this game for sure
i definitely feel that a background in ow2 likely helps more than, for instance, a background in cod; it helps you focus on more than just mechanics and fragging, instead you are now thinking about positioning, teamplay, and objective.
Never heard of you only a minute and 30 seconds and everything you’re saying is fact. I’m pretty good at first person shooter games but they’re all different. You can’t bring your skills from one game to another. This game truly reward you if you use the sandbox environment well. As well as everything has a counter. Yeah, there’s broken things in this game but you could actually counter it. For example, a lot of people don’t like invisibility you can use thermal vision, sonar grenades, recon, senses, and you will have zero problems with these invisibility people.
im gonna make a series dedicated to countering all the common tactics people complain about soon because ya, the game has counters to everything (sorta)
Theres an INSANE amount of cheaters with that free software that gives mnk players aim assist, once the banwave comes, hopefully these players will try again. Its not their fault
They have been doing banwaves and hopefully they do something about anti cheat, i literally just lost a game to an aim botter so i feel your pain
the main thing i struggle with in the finals is dealing with team builds, when im solo queueing i cant really do much against a team with a pocketed heavy and planned gadget combos.
I love this game I hope it has a strong future
I really disliked the recon ability in this game. Especially playing as light, there is no way to evade a good recon user. But after playing it for a while, the ability really doesn’t last too long AND you can hear the person using it.
As a medium i dislike the cloacking ability. I think it is balanced because if you are carefull you can see the enemy, and also doesn't last too much, but it's still annoying to get killed by an invisibile enemy, it feels like cheating. Same goes for the recon ability i guess.
pros and cons to everything in this game, still strong af haha
Maybe a good balance to the two would be to make the stealth sound louder, and for the recon ability give the medium meme eyes and a louder use sound so it becomes a battle of information counter information, you learn faster who has what
@@zhero9292 I think lights rely too heavily on the cloak. I can still easily see them moving around and track them. Only issue is if a light actually fought their nature and stood still for 2 seconds. If completely invisible they can just wait and destroy you with the sawn off shotgun.
@@zhero9292 honestly i think the invis needs a rework of some sort. the fact that there is 0 delay between turning it off, shooting, then cloaking again is pretty dumb imo. and i only use light with cloak, so its not like im complaining about dying to it. they neet to rework the lights balance imo, its too focused around playing like a rat and just being obnoxious, which is very unfun for other players, and gets pretty old after a while if youre the one playing it. they also need to nerf the shotgun, its way too busted. being able to walk up to someone in a crowded fight, one shot them, then immedietly go invis is just dumb
Play the cashout and ur good. Too many people playing like cod. I’ve seen people Win with 3 kills the whole tournament just by being sneaky
Yeah honestly that cod mentality is the worst
Went one game with randoms on cashout and we won easy. At the end each one of us only had about 3-4 eliminations each. The other teams were so busy fighting each other that we where basically sitting bored by the cashout station listening to gunfire and explosions in the distance.
I mainly play light. To put it into perspective: I bought every piece of equipment for light and maybe own 1-2 gadgets on heavy/medium. They're solid classes. The biggest issue I've seen is exactly as you stated, too many light players don't know how to run from a fight. Run, heal up a bit, then circle back with your team or push if you can break the team up with your gadgets and get the odds more in your favor by taking them out individually. I myself have caught myself in too many situations where I'll get a player down to a sliver of health and then get tunnel vision and chase them only to run into their whole team and cost us a team wipe. Poking the bear and utilizing your gadgets is key!!!
My shooter pvp experiences goes back to Halo 2 & 3, and Cod 4 and this game feels so reminiscent of the feel of old shooters to me.
nah, reWASD and cheats are just too prevalent in this game, that's the reason why. Even pros would have hard time fighting players who turned into an aim god overnight thanks to aim assist, and the rampant downright hacks floating around the game uncontrolled. I mean, jesus, the cheaters even went to quick plays these days, it's insane.
Lets hope they fix the cheating problem sooner than later
I hope they hold off on more balancing until the game has had a chance to level out. Nukes were busted at the start but now that I know what I'm looking for I haven't been hit by one in the last 4 or 5 tourneys.
Yeah nukes can be countered
I’m a top ranked Titled Expert Overwatch player, Treyarch Zombies Easter Egg Primis Rulz title card holder, Max Leia BF2, and this game has me scratching my head. But I do look forward to learning it and once I get even average it’ll feel amazing, but for now, you don’t want me on your team.
I'm curious what people think of the light's glitch grenade. I've played matches where I've just not been able to get near the cashout because there's a team with two shield heavies on it. Wondered if people thought it was worth taking as a potential counter as I never see lights run it (tbf i never see lights in general)
Welcome to new age of multiplayer fps. More specifically, the age of apex and overwatch fps games. Kills and mechanical skill is like half the game. I rarely go above 15 kills but i win most of my games off of steals and camping objectives with gas.
objective play is the way to go
i love this new age. i personally think that, at a certain point, seeing who can click heads better gets boring. out strategizing the opponent is much more fun.
Because cheaters once again, everywheres
The cheater issue does need fixed i cant lie
@@Appoh it will be impossible to remove them all but, its almost like the easyanticheat not doing anything significant..m
RIGHT? when you have literal spin bots and rage hacking through shields and walls etc, how is that not being detected? its crazy@@93SupaFly
What about that new hack that mouse and key board players use making the game think they are using a controller. Exploiting aim assist that console players get. Also the anti recoil in that same hack where you can literally reverse the recoil of the gun to where there is none at all. Turns players guns in to heat seeking missiles basically.
Ah the aim assist tool.
For me kinda hard to dictate the aim assist cheat. But my gameplay so far is whenever a round start, i always keep an eye on the enemies classes and what skill they chose.
There a round where the pink all 3 heavies. I was standing on the roof with my recon sense turned on. I didn't fire at all whilst i watching my team engage the purple, i notice the 3 heavy pink came toward my roof from the street. Then next thing i know im dead. I got blasted by 3x C4 on flower pot. Lol. Fkin wallers man.
Its always that one dude or WHOLE TEAM that seem to know where you are and you know they dont have medium with recon sense or dart in their team AND JUST hunt you down for eternity wasting other people times
Also your movement is so buttery smooth wonder if I should convert to PC
i mean my teammate uses a controller and has great movement, but good pc will run better than console
I'm 28, I'm loving the finals because it brings me back to the old search and destroy days, but with football like strategy.
This game is going to die like hyperscape... Both games are great, but there's really nothing going to keep the players playing.
The marketing hype and sponsorships are keeping people playing and trying right now.
Nah, I don’t think you’ve played this game then lmaooo
Nah, this game will thrive because it's actually fun.
If you don't like it that's fine, have fun trying to get twitch followers on CoD.
@@thewhistler6537 i literally said both games are great. I like both games. But they're no different.
No need to get so offended, fanboy.
@@casperd2100 They are very different experiences. The Finals is dynamic whereas CoD is static.
No one is offended, but nobody needs to talk trash like "dead game" when it 'literally' just came out.
You certainly don't need to resort to name calling.
I get it though, you like both games but this one is going to die so that means you're already planning on going back to CoD. You've already made it clear The Finals in not your preferred FPS, that's alright though...I think the game will do just fine without your support.
Disagree, hyperscape was anoyher battle royale in a saturated market, the finals is unique and genuinely a fresh game. Theres a reason its so popular
My biggest issues are two things. Being confused about what buttons to hit for abilties. And being too slow hitting those buttons. On a daily basis, I play 5-6 different games depending on who's online. All of them have different button configs for different abilites. I'm now adding The Finals, where speed is a key factor when fighting enemies. Regardless of class, it takes me upwards of 3 seconds to use an ability. I have to think, "ok, abilities are this button, now I have to move the stick over to that ability, now I have to pick it". I don't have the muscle memory down yet like some of the other games.
Im confused? is it like a radial on console? on PC its Q for ult which is standard and 1 through 4 for gun + stuff, id have thought on console it would have been a more standard layout, maybe try having parity across all your games? as a standard layout you use for most games
Switch to Directional Input in settings, this will make it so you use the dpad to switch between gadgets. This makes a world of difference
Just reconfig your keybinds..
boomer
Thats probably a good thing. Good to have similar things play to different kind of players strengths
I mostly play solo que and no mic. I find it hard to know when to push in a situation. I also find myself falling if maps quite frequently which might just be because i havent gotten used to the map layouts yet but still there are a lot of different things that i need to learn but these are the main ones
I learned the hard way that lights play dirty
For me, coming from apex, my biggest issue was intermittent lag spikes and the default were way out of wack for me i had to adjust pretty much everything from binding to sensitivity to xhair and im still not satisfied.
As someone who’s grown up playing halo mostly, i’ve always found it really easy to adapt to other games, most games don’t have a similar kill time or a much lower one then halo, i think that’s made it easier for me to learn the objective of games, over trying to learn kill time, or weapons. Though ive played a lot of Fps games, CoD, titanfall, battlefield and destiny, along with their battle royal spin offs if they have it.
My friends and I are around the age of 40 give or take, do not consider ourselves competitive gamers and long have avoided high speed FPS games yet we are extremely competitive in the Finals in ways we aren't in other games. Maybe it's from literal decades of experience in the Battlefield franchise (the gadget meta is just something we're used to) but we regularly stomp on y'all young whippersnappers and I cannot fully understand how.
We fkin love this game, I hope it thrives and continues to grow.
i want to get into this game, but i’m so preoccupied with other games at the current moment. i definitely enjoy these types of games more though; games that aren’t about outskilling, but about outbraining your opponent. it leads to much deeper gameplay and ends up leading to deeper skill expression, because there so much more to the game than just “who can kill who faster”.
For the finals ive had plenty of games where we destroy 3 other trams yet they manage to beat us with negative KD. Yes killing is important but knowing how to properly attack and defend the objective is even more important
that heavy goo gun res at 1:11 was insane
Ty ty i love the goo gun it has endless tech
i just downloaded the finals. its super intuitive with controls etc but it does feel like itll take some getting used to with the gameplay and strat etc. seems like a good game so far though. i was a pretty solid and top 3 percent cod player but this is a completely different type of gameplay. i like it and i think its a bit more competitive in a positive way.
I come from mainly TF2 and MC background and it is wildly difficult to adjust to this type of combat. i also dont play nearly as much as i used to, but the movement mechanics are much more numerous and complex than tf2, the maps are nearly as moldable as in minecraft, only much faster with building and destroying, with huge chunks of the map being able to be altered in an instant way more than R6 or MC, and the gear/ utlity options wildly outnumber both, which makes for just an absurd learning curve. Besides all of that, the game is so integrally reliant on team play, coordination, objective focus, and changing entire game strats in an instant, I believe way more so than any other game on the market (R6, OW, TF, CS, really anything i can think of team/ objective based shooter oriented) any of these games you can win reliably with shoddy teamwork against a more coordinated team if you’re good enough at FPS type skills and arent totally ignorant of teamwork, but in the finals i find thats nearly impossible, a coordinated team will nearly always beat better fps players who dont work together smoothly
to add to this, as a college student with very limited time to game, it almost turns me off in the same way fortnite does with needing to spend all this time learning totally foreign mechanics and gameplay. thats not to say that the finals or build mode in fortnite is bad, i think theyre both incredibly innovative, but it breeds a highly competetive player base with not much casual play due to immense skill gaps within key mechanics. that being said, i absolutely love fortnite zerobuild, and even though I have way more experience with pubg and warzone, which are definitely way more refined pure shooting battle royale games, fortnite is what my roommates play so when i play with them, its really nice to be able to keep up and contribute without pouring time into climbing the learning curve of a completely foreign mechanic. maybe the finals could implement a sort of watered down, streamlined/generalized gameplay because the cashout objective is a really unique centerpiece to the game, and im excited to get more experience with it, i just feel i wont learn movement/sandbox/utility to the extent i need to in order to play the finals at the same level i played TF2/CSGO/OW/PUBG/MC/R6, ranging from high level comp play to just being able to competently play the game casually just cause im older and dont have every day after grade school to hop on a videogame
The most Struggel me and some friends of mine is the light class with the invisible ability and the shorty and sometimes they have the stun gun (what is a pretty strong combination I would say. How can we counter this without the thermo view?
Def try out recon
Cara eu me mantive distante de jogos online por muito tempo. Literalmente uns cinco anos mas sempre sonhei com um jogo com essa velocidade, liberdade e frenecidade. The Finals é um sonho antigo, lembro que quando mais novo eu e meus amigos eramos chegados a produção e game design e sonhavamos com esse exato conceito do The Finals então eu dei uma chance para esse jogo e estou chocado como tudo funciona. No começo é um pouco estranho, mas quando vc se acostuma sua mente começa a fazer taticas completamente fora da caixa, é incrivel! Eu só tive problemas até o momento em cair com times com players que estão acostumados a outros jogos FPS.
Vejo players se escondendo, querendo fazer kills com snipers só pelo HS, Players que certamente acreditam estar jogando qualquer outro titulo, qualquer outro jogo exceto o The Finals. É frustante. Mas quando encontro players que entendem ou ao menos são mais agressivos tive partidas de me tirar da cadeira e eu não sou fã de assistir esportes ou torcer para um time, mas The Finals me fez sentir "o sentimento" da torcida.
The main thing I've noticed within my teammates is they don't grasp how important the obj is. And how playing obj smart will get you more kills then hunting. They chase players around obj and run off too far or engage fights before they are even threats to the obj. And then they become all suprised when I wipe teams one by one just by playing around the obj. Its not about getting kills most of the time its about defense and delaying and zoning. And often you get moments where a team has no other choice then hold steal and pray and omg those are awesome for getting wipes lol
yeah pretty much, a lot of people also dont grasp that kills away from the objective are more often than not useless kills, unless u really need the tiny money bump from killing, it's just not worth it
As someone who was near pro in apex and played against many of the top streamers, this game funny enough makes me tilt way more. Teamplay is a MUST in this game. If you solo or duo and get a bad teammate you absolutely WILL lose a tournament. You have to focus fire opponents, catch them off guard, or use utility because winning a 1v1 in this game is atrocious due to the extremely long time to kill with almost every weapon except the hcar. You can't just hit a couple shots and swap weapons, and there's no secondary ready to go if you have to reload (unless you run heavy's rpg). Environmentals, map destruction, and area denial utility is incredibly strong, while conventional staples like frags or flashbangs are often high risk. Everything has a direct counter, so you almost have to run rock paper scissors in the back of your head while focusing on wiping enemy teams. Because of all that, the learning curve is high, with an even flatter plateau between the top players since even conventional skill like aim or movement tech won't save you from getting cheesed by an unexpected nuke. Also, if you're playing tournaments avoid light in general, but especially don't use snipers. Trust me, you're not him, and you make everyone else despise your uselessness, not to mention the crosshair inaccuracy.
apex is just a bad game to learn from, try playing quake
I’ve been playing this game soooo much since it dropped. it was a learning curve for sure and I’m still not great. But I went from sucking to having a positive KD the vast majority of games, on light too😂 so I’m happy with that
Yeah it takes time to learn but so satisfying to once u get the hang of it
Honestly I think the finals is very interesting it’s more of a team survival game than a shooter. Space and holding buildings is very strong also strong team play and team shotting is extremely strong movement and positioning is really important and space can be straight up destroyed. I find it quite engaging. Kills often don’t make the difference.
more of a thinking mans game mixed with a crackheads game
Honestly, when I saw this game for the first time the very first thing that came too mind was shows like squidgames. Its a survival horror movement shooter that just happens to be in a VR space. resource management and split second decision making is paramount to keeping your team alive and competing.
I love this game, I started out rough cuz fps games aren’t my forte nor have I played very many of them.
I enjoy every class now and the game is very much fun. I haven’t tried ranked tournaments yet BUT given a coordinated team I recon I would do well as this game is very much team based.
My biggest struggle is I play very supportive medium class. I really enjoy it. The big downside is my team plays together we usually dominate but at the same time if my teams not in sync with me then it’s just kinda weaker than the other classes
A role que would help since a light medium heavy does kinda feel like the best team comp but people be spamming heavies
And if you play Bankit.... Spamming lights. It may be somewhat opinionated but I am a filthy mid... I solely play to keep my team alive and set traps to keep myself alive while hiding and potshotting to assist my team without going for kills unless necessary or for a little raise on that little elim score right there... At least that would be the case if only both my light teammates weren't on opposite sides across the map from me like 80% of the time.
I played a lot of halo and i peaked diamond in halo infinite. The finals has a very similar gunplay mechanics so the transition was easy. As far as ranked queue goes, the official discord server helped me find teammates with comms and ive won every game with them so far
The Finals has all the features of a game like Overwatch that I enjoyed but which were gradually phased out in favour of straightforward and less strategic/tactical/objective gameplay. It's been so fun to outplay people in this game by being creative and resourceful. These players expect to win the game just by moving around fast and dumping a magazine into someone, but The Finals rewards you for playing the game in unorthodox (and equally if not more skillful) ways.
So many weapons and gadgets are underrated, such as the riot shield (extremely good against the medium heavy hitscan meta when you learn not to brace with the shield but always sprint), CL-40 (massively slept on), sledgehammer, goo grenade, tracking dart, vanish bomb, grappling hook, flashbang and more. Not to mention the BARRELS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.
I think even without a balance patch (though I expect one soon), we could see some pretty significant changes to the meta as people learn how to counter the current meta. Just like Overwatch has poke, dive and rush playstyles, The Finals will also have multiple viable playstyles, currently the only one the community talks about and plays is this poke meta. I suspect we will see a similar thing happen in The Finals, perhaps as a divey/rush comp with riot shield as the initiator and a flanking light with perhaps even a heavy focusing on destruction and splash damage. We could also have a light providing sniper overwatch with a medium-heavy on the objective playing their lives and helping the light get angles by opening up walls or baiting enemies to fight in the open.
The best composition I've ever played was also a LMH - invis xp54 light, medium riot shield healer and lewis gun shield heavy. We won every ranked tournament in a like 5 hour play session, unbeatable. If there had to be any meta I hope it becomes LMH.
And hot tip because people really need to learn about the riot shield, it hard counters everything in the current meta kit for heavy: shield blocks all RPG and C4/nuke damage (direct hit and splash damage), mesh and dome shield mean nothing to me, blocks lewis gun and heavy shotgun (let them dump their ammo into you and wack them during reloads or between 4 round bursts in the case of the shotgun). The trick, however, is to never brace the shield with alternate fire, since it still blocks stuff when it is on the left side of your body you can sprint in a counterclockwise circle around them while they shoot at you, or sprinting diagonally towards them also blocks everything.
The only thing that really has 0 counter play is getting hit with the stun gun while running melee, not being able to use abilities to bridge the gap and being reduced to a snail’s pace results in an instant death 100% of the time. I get that the stun gun is supposed to be really strong against melee and that other classes get more consistent insta kills (see heavy’s nuke) but it feels like one of the only ways you can die in the game that doesn’t feel like it could’ve been avoided. But it should probably not be changed, I’m just ranting.
I struggle with spray patterns, and how to fill the role my team needs as a solo player. I get the objective part, i'm not crazy about getting kills, i'm about the objective just suck at the killing and decision making part
there are ways to play around the lack of aiming skill, heavy with nuke n rpg, setting up defenses so like barricades, shields, or as a medium use heal and tracking dart, maybe sonar grenade, defib, aps turret etc etc just make it easier for your team to kill, assist them and play off them.
I don't know how anyone else feels but my friends and I struggled against light players with their invis and stun guns. Sound cues are not dependable, and when their silhouette are much harder to see compared to invis during beta. But boy oh boy, when I remembered recon sense and sonar grenade existed, our games are more enjoyable.
The c4 is certainly powerful, but saying the APS can deal with nukes is really situational, as it needs direct line of sight on the C4 to destroy it.
Along with that the c4s explosive radius is larger than that of the APS's range, you would have to play on the opposite side of it to work, being useless in the open, being best in confined spaces which are also where nukes work best, as well an APS is just in general very inflexible with how you can play with it
Countering nukes could be done through shooting the throwable, but they typically take more shots to detonate, since C4 is a smaller hitbox than mines (shooting a throwable with mines on it will detonate them no matter if it hit the mine) as well as fire barrels goo barrels or toxic barrels are much more tanky than other throwables
however a good heavy will just throw the nuke right at you when you are in view (or play in a manner to be undetected until right on you) and with their improved throw range/throw speed makes it more unforgiving
The best option for dealing with nukes is being able to snipe nukes with grenades, but it requires a good amount of game sense/information to pull off successfully, and really only works on lower skilled teams
TLDR: the skill/gadget requirements are too specific/unrealistic to fight Nukes effectively
You will lose one of or all of your teammate to one when its in play unless you chose to cripple your teams flexibility in a position based game
might take some practice but ill have a video about countering nukes eventually, dw i gotchu