Warframe | People Don't Understand Damage Attenuation | BUT WHY ?
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Damage attenuation is a good idea in theory but as this video shows it makes it so that everyone just tries to use mechanics to bypass it and the ones who don't are left with bullet sponges
Man sniper got hit hard by this…..it’s not even funny how utterly useless they are for the purpose they should be serving…L for them scopes.
this is true ... i'm a returning player, just back to the game 2 days ago, i tried the boss or whatever it is with the dmg attenuation (as the video said) ... i weirdly found out my fully modded with rivens did nothing to the boss ... so i leave the game again thinking i guess i'm outdated
its explains why when i was fighting my corrosive weak lich they took literal 15 damage from the Quellor I was using
the cold procs were making it not a threat but chugging away at the lich wasn't exactly exciting
It's all about the knowledge you have about how damage in war frame works. I see a lot of flat damage build and pure status. While 2.5X multiplier is low it is still viable for critical options even with high status or incarnon evolution
The harshest lesson of game design: no matter how hard you try to balance your game, people will only be concerned with cheating the systems.
I had never seen the word attenuation til warframe made it a mechanic. I’ll probably forget the meaning tomorrow, honestly
Tomorrow? I am forgetting it already.
You can deal a significant chunk of damage with a shotgun with many pellets, because the ramp up is calculated per single fire rate instance. Thats why Kuva Hek with its quadra-barrel mechanic used to one-shot archons because all those calculations were done per pellet separately and Hek does very high crit per pellet. But that also means the damage cap will be reached with single shot - any subsequent shots will be very weak.
Sadly this is no longer The Case... Atleast not For Archons...
It was true for a long time but DE nefed multishot dmg instances on archons, so people won't oneshot them with Kuva Hek/ Felarx.
(i don't know how it works, i heard it somewhere so i can be wrong!)
I'm thoroughly enjoying these "But Why?" videos. I've been getting more and more into Warframe after a many year hiatus.
So you enjoy these videos? But Why?
I feel for DE for trying to figure out how to implement actual boss fights, and it's been a rocky road so far
I think they're finally getting close with the addition of the Fragmented one, where the damage attenuation is chunky but not impenetrable, and it doesn't rely on uanageable amounts of adds and bullets. It finally feels like a boss fight, instead of either a long interactive cutscene, or an obnoxious bullet sponge. You can actually react to it, unlike profit taker, and you don't feel the need to cheese it, like with archons.
I think they should take it a step further and add opportunities to do big "week spot" damage, in short intervals, to make it feel like you're progressing a bit better.
I can imagine doing April fools joke that will start as:
A lot of say that Wisp is their favourite frame. But---
And the video ends.
Good explanation on a complicated topic, though I'd like to add that Condition Overload like effects, the combo multiplier on heavy attacks, and "increased damage taken" debuffs like Sonar also seem to bypass damage attenuation.
And personally I find it convenient to split this topic into three seperate mechanics, "damage reduction", some of which can be situationally adaptable (like Treasurers becoming impossible to kill when slowed by a powerful Gloom), "diminishing returns on damage", which is based on your weapon and usually has a DPS cap, and then the actual "damage attenuation", which is the game reactively slowing you down because you are killing the target too fast for it's liking.
Also some enemies just can't take critical damage from status effects for some reason (because DE wanted to nerf slash procs most likely), while direct damage can exceed their DPS cap just fine.
Xata whisper can be used against archon too since for whatever reason void dmg confuses the dmg attenuation resulting in it failing to block some of the dmg.
The following is purely anecdotal, but for me it seems that Xata’s Whisper + Felarx kills Archons faster than Roar + Felarx
After the shotgun update in the damage attenuation formula, (multishot in single instance hitscan damage), I tried a lot of different rapid fire guns on the archons, with the result that the Quellor for whatever reason performs increadably well against them with a galvanized crosshairs build. Both modes of fire chunk them heavyly, the full auto probably because of its low base damage and crit hitting the lower bracket of attenuation and the charge shot probably bypassing the firerate calculation and being an alt-fire maybe scooting by on the primary fires bracket, delivering its way higher damage.
I use roar pretty regularly and like to use the molt arcanes with them, great explanation on the topic!
Glad to see the videos going up in views and you having fun making videos again
I love these series of videos. Super informative. Couple thousand hours in and still learning things over time. 😅
Glad you did this video because I've been playing for years and had no idea that this even existed
You would be Surprised by how many Enemies have it... But not too Surprised since you should already be able to Tell something is Off with the way they Take Damage (Ambulas MoAs are a Good Example).
Great video as always. One ability that i wish you to tackle some day would be Xata’s Whisper, its a funky ability that I never understood it very well.
Yeah that's Never Gonna Happen since Nobody Knows How it Works... Atleast not in it's Entirety. 🤔
@@lookalike4805wiki does ayo
Whisper so low, hard to understand?
It works very similarly to Saryn's Toxic Lash, giving each instance of weapon damage you deal a second hit. The percentage buff you see on the stats screen is how much damage that second hit will do in toxin or void damage based on if you're using Xata's or Lash. It also deals a guaranteed status proc in that element.
Think of it like multishot. If you naturally have 12 multishot, activating either of those 2 abilities will give 24 multishot (activating both gives you 36).
The mag size thing explains why burston incarnon tends to do so well on archons too. A laser beam of bullets will get attenuated, sure, but 300 rounds in it wont matter and there's another 300 before you need to recharge (in 3 seconds) 😆
I really hope your but why series helps bring TH-cam to being your primary source of income again because you are a top tier warframe TH-camr along with the greats like trib, kengineer, leyzar the list goes on but anywhooo thanks for explaining something I never would’ve learned on my own once again LOL
The original Incarnons' +2000% damage buff doesn't work on Acolytes unfortunately. Source: Wiki
this is corrent. The edit is already in progress
Luckily you can change Evolutions in The Arsenal Now....
So now I have 2 Sets of Every Original Incarnon for No Reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bruh, your vids are awesome
I tried abit and the dmg increase and amount of fun I have now changing my builds and trying out are both hard to measure 😊
Thank you for making these vids, you explain very good 👍🏼❤
Whenever I see stuff about damage attenuation, it's always in terms of weapon stats and mods. Does it not apply to other damage sources, like warframe abilities? (edit: and then do exalted weapons count as abilities, or as weapons?)
I really like using the Knell Prime or Titania for Archons because they can bypass most of the damage attenuation. Their fire rates are fast which does lower their damage but it also allows you to bypass the 1/20 rule and consistent crits (using Avenger on Titania) bypasses a large chunk of their damage attenuation. Adding roar for even more bypassing damage makes archons really simple
You're not bypassing the Damage Attenuation... You're just Dealing Alot Of Damage (and the Attenuation was also Made Weaker Recently).
Maybe why is some arcanes very good? like energize or avenger, most ppl just slap them on because they've been told they're good, but since this is a teaching series, it might be useful to some people
I tried few of the weapons after 1shot builds nerf and eventually settled with Laetum (moderate crit and 2000dmg evolution to double dip, rad+cold dmg ofc, roar as subsume on Revenant) so it all seems correct
I use similar thing, but with Rhino with Smite subsumed on his 1. Smite Infusion boosts the damage and stacks with Roar that is stronger than non-subsumed version.
i will become chanel member ! i like your videos you do them for long time !
Does the fire rate check look at the weapon stats itself, or your current fire rate. As in could you reduce its effect by using external fire rate buffs like reinforced bond or wisp motes
I typically use my bursting incarnon with a riven that adds mm dmg and fire and mod for basically full crit with some radiation for that bonus dmg and it shreds them. but also thank you again for explaining something I didn't have much insight on
Are you the guy i sold burston ignitis a few days ago?
Is there a video about ability efficiency?
soft cap and hard cap?
How does it work on channeled abilities?
Efficiency is just a multiplier on the energy costs. 150% efficiency means 50% cheaper casting costs.
If there is a cap, it's 200% because then your abilities are all free, but I don't think it's possible to get that much efficiency.
It works the exact same way on channeled abilities: 150% means 50% cheaper initial casting and 50% cheaper drain.
The only caveat with channeled abilities is that drain is affected by both duration and efficiency.
I duration doesn't have as much of an impact as efficiency, however, meaning that fleeting expertise will still reduce drain.
@@electrospaghetti8388 Modded Efficiency is capped in game to 175%(showcased in the modding menu - extra efficiency does still get added not shown as you cannot reduce below 25% energy cost of abilities). Otherwise, with Fleeting and Streamline, you'd be able to get 190%
I would love to get damage modding explained; Im still at that time, where multishot dmg and some status did the deal; But nowerdays I just feel lost, even tho i have most of the mods needed for the build. I did a pretty long pause of the game and since all the changes to the different status types and so on i feel kinda lost. Aspecially at Steel Path i feel like I am doing 0 dmg; Meanwhile some rdm video you watch shows a similar weapon or even the same weapon, melting the enemys no problem. I tried to find builds, but i would love to understand it, so i can make one that fits my playstyle. I wanna play fun guns, as well as fun frames and not always rely on one or the other. If you would be so kind and explain it that then even I can understand it would be wonderful.
Awesome video. It really focuses on the terms on warframe i like, while also beeing short and sweet. Thank you for still doing the videos.
damage attenuation calculation in Warframe is weird. I use dual toxycist incarnon for lich/archon/acolytes and they melt super fast, however when I use high pellet count shotguns like the recommended kuva hek it always seems to take longer so I don't really get this.
For archons I run sevagoth with the augment, roar subsumed on the 4. For primary I use Boltor Prime incarnon with a cold corrosive setup, (primary frostbite & riven included), just void strike and melt the archon. They die in like 5 seconds tops with my setup.
the Archons damage attenuation now includes the incarnon bonus and rhino roar, which is why its so much harsher than the others (as of update 34, Dagath update)
To my Knowledge... This was not Mentioned in the Patch Notes.
The Exact Change was The Damage Attenuation now Factors In Multishot but it's Threshold was Lowered so that your Damage Numbers are No longer in the Double Digit Ranges even when at Max DPS.
Isnt Xata' whisper also considered a faction dmg like Roar?
Ive been using the Vulkar a lot for atenuation enemies. It has a bunch of extra damage on headshots (a lot of it if you mod for it) and im pretty sure the game doesnt consider that. Also running 2 headshot damage mods and Internal Bleeding reduces the damage the game thinks i do by a lot, because those mods dont add anything directly to my damage stats.
What do you mean when you say “original archon weapon”?
I have always been using the original Incarnon secondary weapon against Archons and I just found out why I always seem to be only person in the squad that can shred them like paper.
Last week I just blasted the archon with my dual toxocyst. Worked pretty ok, but gonna be trying knell next week.
I saw people recommend Xatu's Wisp ability for archon hunts, is it outdated? Does it behave similarly to rhinos roar?
no it does not
I've recently been using Quickening over Fury just to combat this, combo chance is just an added bonus and with Blood Rush and Weeping Wounds, yes it shreds especially with any slash damage weapon
the thing that bugs me the most about DA is that warframe, to me, is at its best when i'm theorycrafting for HOURS to completely trivialize an annoying/hard part of the game. I want to feel like a God as i facetank endgame damage and completely melt level cap with my mere presence, not feel like my carefully crafted builds suddenly don't work anymore because reasons
DA not only prevents that, but does it in the most lazy bullshit way possible. THAT'S what gets me mad: feeling and KNOWING i have the capability to atomize a mf with the press of a button but not being able to because "DE lol lmao XD".
Damage Attenuation is on par with overguard cc immunity for the stupidest fucking thing DE has ever added to Warframe and no i will never stop bitchin about either one.
I would really appreciate if you could make a the best defensive mod and why to explain the rolling guard supremacy over simply running vitality or adaptation
isnt xata better to use with incarnons like felarx/laetum/phenmor? or in general weapons with a lot of multishot benefits more from xata, making roar worse than xata in those situations ?
If you have Friends then you can just use Both... Also Multishot is now Factored into the Archon Damage Attenuation Specifically.... It still works on Kuva Liches/SOPs
Wait, what? I’ve always heard that devastating nutrition doesn’t work on those with damage attenuation? It certainly seems to not pro on acolytes. I tried using the Felarx and it barely tickled them
i run Phenmor with Xata's Whisper and Madurai school. i can almost call it "one-shot" kill on how fast the first phase ends. more or less 2 seconds. 2nd phase tho quite takes some time depending on the situation.
People aren't confused about damage attenuation. It was added as a last minute "fix" because people were going into Lich nemesis fights and instantly beating them.
Keep in mind that Lich enemies already had damage reduction for certain types of damage, thanks to their Cloned Flesh and Ferrite Armour types.
Thanks to damage attenuation, weapons that were doing hundreds of thousands of damage were useless if you weren't building specifically into faction damage or using the few weapons that ignore it.
I remember at the time you could use Necramechs in missions, and the Arquebex weapon could deal several millions of damage.
After the change, I was doing triple digits. Which is basically nothing to a Lvl 100+ Lich.
A LOT of people got upset over this change. Even more so the early players that were now stuck with a nemesis plaguing half of their star chart with Lvl 120+ enemies.
If you weren't savvy enough to learn which frame abilities and faction damage boosts bypass the attenuation's DPS cap, you'd be screwed.
At the time, I was running the Kuva Kohm, which got massively fucked over because the damage attenuation increases the longer you spool up the weapon.
I was also using Banshee, her sonar ability creates weakspots that increase your damage by multiple factors, after attenuation, even the combination of these two wasn't enough.
All of those forma, credits and endo invested into it were now wasted.
Not to mention that the scaling damage reduction from attenuation is multiplicative with armour values.
The video goes in depth about the specifics and the calculations pulled from the wiki, which I can appreciate, I just don't think it accounts for how players actually felt about the update.
Warframe math is a pain. Thanks for clarifying on this, these videos always help a lot.
the worst type of damage reduction in warframe to me is ones that even true damage can not ignore, where the whole point of true damage is to ignore DR
"So the calculation is this:"
*shows math
Me: "nope"
Didn't know any of this was a thing. I went into the video assuming it was going to be about the status adapting mechanic sentients have.
heavy attacks from the Quassus an Arum Spinosa bypass archon damage atenuation, use those
Here I was thinking I was so smart for putting Smite Infusion on my Kullervo to help my Felarx do more damage during the Archon fights, but I should have used Roar all along? I goofed it.
Is this why i mimic a build piece for piece mod for mod EVEN DOWN TO THE FORMA COUNT AND ARCHON SHARDS and still can't do 10 digits of damage a second LMAO
Can u make melee damage video crit and non crit weapons guide
Honestly as long as your understanding of it is "the harder you hit it, the more times you hit it, the more bullet spongey it becomes" you don't really need to understand how the game handles it.
Looking up the definition of attenuation would boost your understanding of what the mechanic does by eons and make you realize that it's everywhere in the game, you can even grant it to yourself with adaptation.
They changed the way damage attenuation works with i think the abyss of dagath update to where incarnon bonuses and crits do not bypass it. They also said something about other buffs being affected so it may have changed how effective roar is as well.
In recent times it still seems like an overall nerf. Even using my incarons, the archons still die A LOT faster then before
So that’s why I do zero damage against the acolytes unless I use a fast shooty
Good Video. But old. I wanted to know about Necramech in Sanctum.
I think damage attenuation is a symptom (if not the biggest) of the struggle of DE regarding difficulty scaling.
To make bosses hard to kill, they simply add more HP. But because damage is too easy to get in Warframe, they need to cap it otherwise bosses will get deleted.
I think the right boss/engame content design, and what is missing currently in Warframe, would be to make fights more complex. For example, to have the team destroy shields generators roughly at the same time, or to have two parallel progressions of teams in a level, etc...
I'm more confused. Give examples against Necramech for example
While I do agree that fire rate and status procs are somewhat useless against the archon, I would advise not ignoring it.
Galvanized aptitude exists, where if you kill an enemy, any status procs stacks you put in an enemy, that includes archons as well, does increase the weapon’s damage. So you would still want to have a primer weapon, just so you can put stacks and stacks of status procs to increase your damage.
As for fire rate, as long as you don’t held down the trigger, you won’t notice the damage attenuation taking effect. You do more damage peppering the archon then hold the trigger to the point where your finger goes crooked.
That’s what I’ve been noticing when I am paired with random people in a fireteam. People continuously fire at the archon without giving the archon a break, while I do the bulk amount of damage peppering them. I don’t even have rhino’s roar ability subsumed in any of my warframes and it still works.
So how come some incarnons are 4 tiers and some 5?
Zariman are 5
Duviri are 4
Idk why they just are I guess
@@noahedenborg4221 thank you
5:24 An electric phantasma is actually somewhat alright against acolytes, because electricity status does damage when it's inflicted, unlike other statuses. This means every proc of electricity will deal damage at least once. I am guessing similar status monsters built for electricity might do alright against acolytes.
I wish you would Rephrase this because it took me a quite Alot of Seconds to Understand what you were trying to Say. 😭
@@lookalike4805 idk if there even is a better way to phrase it, tbh. What I mean is, electricity deals damage the moment it's inflicted, while slash, heat, toxin and gas have a 1 second delay before dealing their first damage. That means for other statuses, only 4 of the procs will deal damage every second, while electricity will deal damage 4 times a second, plus every time a new status is applied.
I know... It just took me a minute to Decipher.
In Any case while that is a neat Trick... It's still less Effective than Smacking them with Something that Actually Works. 👀
For the record, I understood what you meant immediately ^^
I think at this point yeah damage is basically the only thing I have a hard time understanding at this point
i just use incarn toxycists for my archon hunts and i shred them with inaros + eclipse
Thanks, I guess Rhino is king here, I mean roar is. So can faction damage mods help too? the bane mods basically
They work on damage attenuation of Liches/Sisters or Wolf, but not archons or acolytes because their faction is not corrupted/infested/grineer/corpus.
Actually Xaku & Ivara might be Better than Rhino due to their Sneaky Multipliers that fewer people Know About.
@lookalike4805 Sorry, do you know is their multiplyers faction based like roar?
Nani ?
@@waterdog737 Xata's Whisper weird Void damage calculation and Ivara's headshot multiplier
the problem is that DE has just made frames and weapons more and more and more powerful, without really doing anything for weaker weapons or frames. Like yeah we in recent years we've gotten Galvanized mods.... but those just make already strong weapons even more strong. Yeah we've gotten weapon arcanes... but same story there. We've gottan helminth which just makes strong frames stronger, and ofc we have gotten archon shards which, say it with me, just make already strong frames even stronger once again. Yes the game's a power fantasy, but I do feel like it's getting out of control nowadays
incarnon genesis to make older weapons better
that being said they need to go fthrough most of the older frames and just make the augments part of the base kit
Me who just "oooOOO big damage" my way through the game. Never knew any of these terminologies😭
There's a system similar to this in the MMO I moved onto, PSO2:NGS, although it seems to be way simpler compared to whatever WF's got going on. Figured I'd explain to offer as a point of comparison, if it helps with understanding:
Suppose you're at NGS's endgame with a 9-star or 10-star weapon, the current highest ranks we have. If you fight enemies that match your level range and gear scale, there won't be any notable damage attenuation (if at all, but I wouldn't know). _However_ , if you fight enemies below your level range with the same high-end gear, you will do less damage to those enemies. The _difference_ between NGS and WF, though, is that if you want to go super sweaty with your kill efficiency, it would actually be better to have an upgraded lower-rank weapon than to just default to your higher rank weapon. You would still kill enemies quick with the high-rank weapon, but you would be quicker with a weapon that matches the enemy scaling it was intended for.
Attenuation in WF, based on what I know from this video alone, seems to only matter for enemies that match your gear scaling because of the massive amount of calculations going on. At the same time, though, those calculations become a headache when players try to find ways to bypass the system for those very enemies. It's interesting seeing how different games do this.
Ever since the archons were nerfed so many weapons shred them to pieces in a way it feels like they don't even have any damage attenuation. Just take any gun with any frame that has eclipse on it and you do good damage. I prefer boltor prime with incarnon, as it kills archons in 2 to 3 seconds. Though, it might be just that mirages eclipse is also ignored by damage attenuation, not just rhinos roar. It isn't a weapon damage buff that stacks with serration and other such mods.
On a side note I have no idea why but boltor also ignored the invulnerable body parts of necramechs, and I didnt need to shoot the shoulders and back plate to kill them the other day. Just center of mass or face worked fine.
Oh yeah iirc they changed enemy necramech stuff
@@noahedenborg4221 ohh I thought it was boltor being boltor.´I guess that means I can finally play mesa when doing Iso vaults.
1 recommendation for dealing with the acolytes is to legit use anything that has more power behind a single shot instead of an automatic weapon and also damage boosting abilities aren't 100% necessary because I for one melted an acolyte with Octavia's abilities alone with the aid of a panzer
as for archons use either Phenmor or Felarx with Roar and build the guns for corrosive and either heat or cold damage
Archons are Weak to Radiation Though ?
There's nothing Wrong with Having Corrosive for it's Status Effect but it's Actual Weakness is Radiation 👀
Oooh, so this is why my Necramech didn't work against the infested hemocyte during plague star
Exactly 😉
I didn't know that the 2000% damage evolution on the first generation incarnon weapons actually affected damage done to acolytes...
It doesnt that was a mistake and i have edited it out of the video !
i've never even heard of it
Rip my kuva hek, miss one shotting the boss
this is definitely one of my least favourite parts about warframe and causes alot of unnecessary frustration when figuring out how to kill apparently immortal enemies
funny thing is that the kenginnier did made a vid where he was able to one shot a archon
i think he was using ivara due to her prowl giveing extra crit damage on headshots and a kuva hek
That's an Old Video... It doesn't Work...
That being Said... You can watch Aznvasions Video to see the Up to date One Shot Set using the Latest Warfans. 🤪
Archon Hunt
Use Laetum
4min mission if done right
Incarnon dual toxycyst kills archon within few seconds
the 20x dmg perk from og incarnons is completely ignored by acolytes
so basically follow the riven rules? CD CC MS? and avoid shottys/snipers/bullet hoses lol
Do shield gating next please. :)
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Why can’t developers make it simple and not just DE but like all of them. You deal 100 damage, enemy reduces damage by 50%, you deal 50 damage to enemy.
Wow so simple and easy to follow. Why the heck do we need ALGEBRA to deal damage to enemies?
10K views in less than 24 hours, very nice.
Bad system with good intent that just ends up making things into Bethesda level bullet sponges and makes people not do archon hunts
Ive watched an absolute ton of vids trying to figure out my builds and recently I've decided to stop over thinking it. The math confuses me, and the videos, though well done, dont seem to work out for me for some reason. None of the numbers seem to work out.
Anyway, I've decided Gauss /fulmin go Brrrrrrt until Mewan smacks the ears off whatever is in front of him... sooo...
You're waaaay smarter at me than this lol
Never even seen that word till this vid
So that's why eclipse didn't work as good as I expected 🤔
Next, status resistance?
Oooooh.. that's Gonna be a Fun one. 🤩
Now explain to me how gargoyle works for event 🤣
Quickest way of dealing with an Acolyte: Kullervo
Literally you can one to two shot an acolyte by just using Kullervo's first ability with a decent weapon. I do this with a Galatine Prime easily, so imagine with a better melee weapon.
I kill 3 hour acolytes in seconds with Zephyr as it has critical inherent capabilities. One shot from Lex Incarnon can do it easily.
"Why don't people understand damage attenuation?"
Because it's arbitrary and doesn't make intuitive sense.
The system is definitely.. doing mostly what it's supposed to, but it needs a lot of fine tuning to remove outliers like snipers and to prevent it from being as punishing to people who don't understand how to build around it. It's one thing to have to tweak your build or to have some weapons perform a bit better than others, but it's another to have entire weapon classes and build styles be nonviable.
wanna good 4-6 min archon build ?
Step1: put nourish on any frame you like
Step2: take good high mag crit weapon (supra vandal, Telos boltor, burston prime, braton prime, gotva prime, or something else like kuva brakk or dual toxocyst)
Step3: mod it RADIATION AND COLD
Step4: goo brrrrrrrrrrrr
Step5: now you go and waste your lifetime by carrying low mastery randoms that are not even close ot being ready to do archons
Step6: Uninstall the Game, breath some air, touch some gras
Thank you for your attention! Have a Good Day!
What I get from this video is use rhinos roar lol
Friggin hate Damage Atenuation in Warframe. HATE IT. More crap funneling you into using specific weapons- dude why have a bazillion weapons and dozens of sick frames if you're only going to want us to use like 3 (Don't talk to me about rivens, you know damn well you're not keeping a STUG riv). I'm MR.29 I stopped buzzing through SP because of how the cracks in the "Endgame" were starting to show and frankly it was starting to get annoying to run anything that wasn't considered hard meta. That being said, I still love warframe, one of my favorite games on my PS5.
I hate damage attenuation so much...
I get the game design reasons behind it, but the concept is flawed.
It makes sense to balance more competitive games like that, but for a power fantasy game like Warframe, making stronger weapons weaker just for the sake of a slower fight is a terrible idea.
What I don't get is why it Took DE a whole year to get off their Asses to Fix it... And even then it's not Evan Fix properly. 🤦
I really do think this is the worst system in warframe i have seen in my entire time playing...i love mining, fishing, and playing railjack way more than dealing with archon bosses....would rather eidolon hunt as well...i hope this system gets booted in the next year or so, but im not holding my breath...
If your fire rate and crit stats are high and your weapon is built for hunter munitions Aaand has at least 1 other element besides viral and the full physical damage spread... .you can overload them with damage before the damage attenuation kicks in.
I'm pretty sure that's not how it Works. 🤔
If you Shoot Faster the Damage Attenuation just Kicks in Sooner....
The only way around this is to limit your Frame Rate (because the whole thing was Programmed by a Moron).
@@lookalike4805 well I don't do anything with frame rate but I have no problem killing them.....I did over 3 hrs on Lua survival (the special one with Lua thrax).....and had no problem bc I use guns that fit my recipe. I also use beam weapons where riven are giving me over 200% status then I use 2
galvanized mods and 3 elements.....1 is viral, corrosive, heat ......this kills them a tad slower but I still have no problem acing the bugs
It sounds like you're talking about Something Completely Different from The Video. 🤔
@@lookalike4805 I'm talking about Sentients.....they have damage attenuation. It adapts to 3 elements doing the most damage 1st......so your lesser damage types like impact still get though......say I'm doing IPS plus viral and electric. The damage attenuation will reduce my damage on viral slash and electric probably.....the rest gets through so they just die for me.
What's complicated about.....I can beat enemies with damage attenuation....then I explained what I do that seems to work
This might get me subs. But now frame silent modded Felnix data whisper. Get buffed by rhino and wisp. RIP anything you shoot.
And this is why I don't play warframe anymore. It has become so bloated that it's not possible to keep up with. Plus the horrible grind was never a good thing.
Ya na would rather not know all this xD
Yuh