My favorite character that wasn't a romance option is given some tragic backstory and doesn't get a happy ending, both are punishments. Heck, the "bad" ending is the more positive one.
Why do they make hades a jerk? Out of all the Greek gods he was the most honorable one... He acts more like Apollo playing games when they don't get their way... Where is Persephone to set him straight...
The Gods were cruel. Their cruelty is a common theme among many of them. Hades wasn't an evil God per se, but he was ruthless in his punishment. Take Sisyphus for e.g. who refused to head back into the underworld after cheating death. Hades dragged him back down and forced him to push a boulder up a cliff, only for it to fall back down, and have to push it up again over and over for eternity. I think they did a pretty good job depicting Hades.
@@TacTar it's pretty tame especially when you consider in mythology all the gruesome methods of punishments were Zeus or other gods decision. Hades is chill for a Greek god and is reasonable
Man, are all the gods absolute dickheads? Also, this choice with Brasidas doesn't seem like it really has a "good" ending. He either goes to Elysium literally carrying the weight of what he's done, or he's doomed to spend eternity in the Underworld. Although his "punishment" seems pretty nice. It's just kind of sad that he doesn't really get a happy ending, especially after he died the way he did in the main storyline. His first fight with the Eagle Bearer in the warehouse was one of my most favorite scenes in the game.
Tbh honest "especially after he died the way he did in the main storyline" is the exact thing why I think otherwise. He was Spartan code above reason, he knew nothing but war/charge. He got owned and was injured from his previous fight but still decided to SUICIDE by fighting Deimos. (Hes pretty much on the same boat as the woman who hang herself.) It was his hubris that killed him, it was Spartan code that killed him => he doesnt deserve Elysseum. Also in the Underworld hell do work that undoes the horrors he created because of Spartan code.
Dark Voice Yeah so all those cowards who wanted to rebel with Adonis and only do it because of our hard work weakening everything deserve Paradise? Only person I remember even remotely worth a grain of salt in Elysium was Leonidas. Besides him there were a bunch of cowards you couldn’t remotely call heroes. Yet the description reads “home of heroes” 😂
@@boogiedown7608 If I had a choice, I wouldnt weaken Persephone at all. Asked Persephone to send me to underworld and be done with it. Hekate lied when she said that Persephone never allowed anyone leave Elysseum because Phoibe left it to search for her parents. I actually think there is no reason to cause any uprising there. Even Adonis could leave if he wanted but was a coward once. Then he won the war and asked Persephone again and she allowed it again (based on my gameplay) so the "Noone can leave Elysseum" is total BS.
Dark Voice In my opinion the entire thing was stupid. The people in paradise are rebelling? What in the actual fuck. Then you find out Herakles and Perseus are in hades. Literally what in the fuck. Herakles legend says when his wife killed him and they burned his body it allowed him to go to Olympus but no he’s in Hades. Perseus writings talk about him slaying the gorgon, but he gave the head to Athena and she put it on her shield. This is the same Athena that transformed Medusa in the first place for getting raped in one of her temples(fucking ridiculous). But Perseus in hades for some kind of Hubris? Only thing I’ve thought was interesting is that Perseus has abilities like the eagle bearer and maybe the eagle bearer has the blood of Zeus too. Achilles didn’t have no powers from what I saw and I haven’t fought Agamemnon or herakles yet.
@@boogiedown7608 I think the heroes have the ability to go in between realms, at least Herakles because he's a god, but if that's not why they're there, i think its the fact they have "Fallen" and if they somehow died in Elysium or while traveling in between realms then they could have become Fallen.
This was a very well done questline, but sad too. I really like Brasidas since the beginning and it's unfortunate that he doesn't really get a "happy" ending. But if I had to choose I'd say staying in the Underworld is probably the best. However...while it doesn't surprise me what Hades did, I do want to say to that woman(The corpse) that war IS to blame for her loses. I know she says something like, "War didn't hold a blade to my husband" or something like that, but yes...it did. If there was no war with Athens then the Spartans would have no reason to be there. Her husband made a choice as soon as he picked up a sword and ran at Brasidas. To her. He was defending their home, but to Brasidas he was another enemy who wanted to kill him. Her husband really should have led her away from the village or they should have kept their heads down. Yes, they would have lost their home, but they could rebuild. Joining the fight sealed his fate. Besides. How many Spartan villages were attacked by Athens? How many loved ones died by Athenian steel? I know it's impossible for the writers to think of everyone's response to a situation like this, but it's times like these I wish I could literally step into a game and give my two cents.
I think you misunderstood. He attacked an innocent village that had nothing to do with the war. Brasidas said himself that he killed innocents, which is against the Spartan code. Her husband was right to fight back, because the Spartans were torching their home and killing their people. Even in times of war, everyone knows that some places are neutral. She said her husband wasn't a solider, and Brasidas knew that. It's actually a really painful contrast, because when we first met Brasidas he showed concern for the innocent people tied up in the barn, and he gets angry if you don't free them before it burns down. This is really brilliant writing. Even though we love Brasidas and consider him a friend, we can't justify his actions. People have been sent to hell for less, and Hades was absolutely right in denying him paradise. We only saw _one_ story, but he likely killed several people in that village, hence his nickname "The Butcher". And regardless of how you feel or what you'd want to add, it would still only come down to two choices: he stays or he goes. No matter what, you wouldn't be able to convince that woman and I think she expresses that perfectly. It's like she said, war didn't kill her husband, throw her down, or burn her village -- Brasidas did. The whole point of this quest was to make him take responsibility for his own actions. Personally I would've loved to send him to Elysium, but considering Hades' conditions and the fact that that poor woman is being punished for nothing more than ending her pain (pain wrought on by Brasidas) it didn't seem just or honourable.
@@kirikakirikakirika War is a tale old as time. I'm not denying Brasidas's action, but at the same time. The Spartans were there for a purpose. The Athenians were there and even if the people in the village are neutral themselves. It still shows the Spartans that they were aiding their enemies regardless if they want to or not. As for her husband. I still say he should have kept his head down. He didn't. He took up a sword and fought. It reminds me of that episode of A:TLA where Zuko gives a child a knife and he pulls it on some mercenaries, and they take him saying he's old enough to join the army if he has a weapon. It would be no different if someone drew a weapon on you. You wouldn't ask what they're reasoning is. You would see them as a threat. Which brings me back to my original statement. If there was no war. There would be no Spartan attack. Yes, I get the idea of the quest is to make Brasidas answer for what he did. But it doesn't change the fact that war IS ultimately the cause of this woman's pain. Brasidas may have been the one to strike her husband down and kill her, but war initiated it as it did for everyone else who was caught in the crossfires. And as for the choice. I mean. Looking at the endings. Yeah, the better one is staying in the Afterlife. But. I still think he should be in Elysium since as you stated. For the most part he protected innocents. I'm not saying he's completely innocent and no doubt he has blood on his hands, but so does every soldier in some way.
@@jckspacy But the problem is Brasidas attacked first. He admitted the village was innocent and he not only attacked regardless, but he burned the entire village down. They weren't soldiers and they had nothing to do with the war. As the wife said, they were _occupied_ by Athens. There's a good chance they weren't Athenian at all. That would be like you breaking into someone's home, killing the husband when he tries to fight back, then saying it's _his_ fault for not keeping his head down. War doesn't mean having to give up your humanity. The man was down, he couldn't fight back, his wife literally tried to stop it, but Brasidas threw her aside like she was nothing. As Brasidas said, they were, quite literally, innocent. _That's_ the problem. _That's_ why he was denied paradise.
@@jckspacy The woman said "When the battle was over, Spartans flooded the village, drunk on victory and blood. They torched our homes.". So Brasidas took part in the massacre of innocents (the people in the village are civilians because the battle was over) by murdering one of the men who tries to defend the village from this 'war crime'. Why murder? Well, the man was easily defeated and even after her wife tried to stop Brasidas he still continued to kill a surrendering or disabled enemy who was trying to stop or avenge the ongoing massacre. The woman is right. Sure, war is to blame indirectly, but that's just not taking accountability. The war is about two main states, and not against the village, which isn't even a threat anymore since the Spartans already occupies the region it's in, or at least the area of the region where the village is. The Spartans, including Brasidas, made a choice to do that to the people in the village out of their own free will - he probably already has the rank to stop it. Should it even surprise anyone knowing that their workforce are slaves? The states' peoples that they conquer become helots. What is honor for Spartans except for their own good.
Actually him staying in the underworld doesn't seem so bad. But the 3 important choices to get him in Elysium as far as I can gather are: 1) Tell him he was all about honor and not hubris 2) Don't blame him or the Spartan code 3) Tell him he deserves to be in Elysium
xLetalis Now that I’ve seen both results I think where he stays in Tartarus is actually the better result. When Hades sends him to Elysium it’s kinda like a curse, but when he stays, it’s like he embraces a new purpose. On my first try I tried to send him to Elysium but he refused to go, and he stayed, I thought I failed but looking back I’m glad I didn’t. Thanks for clearing this up for us :)
@@SilverShadow1617 So true, in fact Hades turned paradise into a cruel torture because of the stipulations he placed on Brasidas. But in the underworld, he gave Brasidas a purpose that suits him. It wasn't a torture like the one for Sisyphus, but it was instead it was a job that will allow him to find peace.
Can somebody please tell me who does belong in Elysium then? Because all I remember is some coward named Adonis being there. Hardly seemed like the home of heroes when all the actual heroes are apparently in Hades. I mean really, Perseus? Didn’t Athena accept the Gorgons head from him? Only Hero that seemed to belong in Hades was the one who killed the Chimera and tried to fly Pegasus to Olympus. He’s literally the only Greek hero I remember that remotely seems like he would end up in Hades because he specifically pissed Zeus off and Zeus himself killed the guy. And Hēraklês? Didn’t his death literally free him from his mortal body to become an actual god and go to mount Olympus in his legend? I haven’t finished the DLC but it sure seems like he is in Hades too. I can go with Achilles and Agamemnon but Perseus and Hēraklês?
Tbh I think the underworld ending where he reunites families separated by war is the best ending, he has a purpose and gets to continue with honour, with the elysium ending he'll be forever fearful of dropping the urn and if he did then he'll be in tartaros forever and he may also be believing he was dishonourable and doesn't deserve it etc
I don’t know about Brasidas but Kassandra has killed much more people and have destroyed much more families (something that was addressed on the first episode of the other DLC. Made me feel like a monster), I personally kill even the prisoners from locations just because I can, I do conquest battles because I’m bored and my usual looting method involves scouting the full length of Athens walls and killing every Athenian soldier which are mostly just sitting and doing their business. Whatever Brasidas has done... to me this is totally normal Kassandra is savage!
Brasidas chooses to go to Elysium: Hades sends him away before he and Kassandra can shake hands Brasidas chooses to stay in Hades: he and Kassandra are allowed to shake hands Talk about a sore loser
honestly the 2nd outcome seems better imo when he isn't convinced to just go to paradise he seems to make the choice of self punishment even if it seems like its given to him he sees you as a better friend for not coddling him and telling him "hey you fucked up"
Brasidas staying in the underworld seems like a better ending to me. He looked happier knowing that he has a chance to help people come together after tearing families apart by war. Elysium would be the prison in comparison.
Quin i mean what would you have done just stopped attacking and been like, oh there’s a women I should stop attacking. She got in the way it’s her fault
Sirius Black Same here. Though I don't know if it really helped him since he has to hold that urn forever and if he lets go of it he's sent to Tartaros.
When I played it, I managed to get Brasidas to go to Elysium. Honestly, I am very happy. In fact, Brasidas has always been a magnificent person, and as a warrior, he did his job. It is not his fault, but the war, the eternal conflict between Sparta and Athens. Think about it: Leonidas certainly did something similar, so why can he go to heaven and Brasidas not? And as for the scene where Hades doesn't get Kassandra and Brasidas to shake hands, I think he only did it because he knew he had lost the bet with Poseidon. In short, I really believe that Brasidas deserved the Elysian Fields.
I agree, despite what he did to that woman and her husband, he didn't know that she was pregnant at the time when he shoved her. Sure he deserves to go to the underworld for killing an innocent but, after meeting Kassandra or Alexios, he still honoured the Spartan code, right?
But imagine living in a crying of someone you killed "accidentally". A moment he free himself of the vase, he went straight to Tartaros. No, I think that is hell. To be in constant fear & the cry omg it'll drive you crazy in a place no matter how beautiful it is.
I hated how Hades was rude to Brasidas. Sure, he did a bad thing in the past (Havent we all?), but he fought with honor, he was a true friend in the storyline, and He died with honor on the battlefield. He shouldve been allowed to be in Elysium
I gotta hand it to the developers - the Isu version of the Greek gods are just as detestable and evil as the original mythical versions. And true to ancient Greek form, the "bad" ending of Brasidas's tragedy is actually preferable to the "good" one.
All this underworld stuff is a simulation created by alethia so none of this is really happening but alethia used the basis of the Greek underworld so that Kassandra could understand she probably pulled all the info about brasidas and everyone else she knew from kassandras mind
To her it probably is. What does the word “simulation” mean to an Ancient Greek? How else would her mind even be able to comprehend what she’s experiencing?
Honestly it sounds more like hell going to Elysium. He’ll literally have to hold his sins for all eternity. At least staying he gets a chance to reunite families. He will become a legend himself. Brasidas the House of Mender.
It's crazy how the ending of the side stories in Hades are generally more positive than the ones in Elysium. Phoibe, even if tearful, got to go to her parents in Elysium where an innocent, unburdened girl like her can be happy for eternity, meanwhile Brasidas, a hurt, broken man weighed down by his own sins, gets to spend eternity reuniting families and bearing witness to that joy over and over again. I'm in tears just thinking about it. But now I've got a question: are there multiple endings? Cause I'm not particularly happy with Layla's actions after Victoria pulled her out at the end of this.
Morrille Nagy, Yeah, but you have to remember this never happebed. Underworld and magic does not exist in AC lore. All this is just a simulation, a video game created by Alethia. So when Brasidas and Phoibe died, they simply died. There was nothing after that.
@@bobbyboom9 I think it's more than just a simple simulation. Her interactions with Phoebie, Leonidas, Brasidas, and her old enemies feels totally real. And lets not forget that the staff was built by Hermes, who himself was part of the "simulation." If this were just a simple imitation of the underworld, there would be no need for the Phoebie and Brasidas side quests because those are genuinely about helping those two and giving Kassandra closure. If it wasn't really real, then what would be the point? Why would Kassandra fight so hard to send Phoebie to Elysium if that wasn't the real her? Maybe Alethia calls it a simulation to Kassandra because she isn't dead. Adonis was also alive. Here's what I believe: Maybe even the afterlife was built by the Isu, particularly Alethia. She probably created the Egyptian one as well as the Greek one. You say that this stuff doesn't exist in the Assassin's creed lore. But then how do explain Bayek's journey through the afterlife in "Curse of the Pharaohs?" That wasn't a "simulation".
Allias Star, Underworld breaks the lore of the Assassin's Creed. Nothing is magic, everything has scientific explenation. Kassandra may not know that this is a simulation (as far as I remember Aletheia told that only to Layla), thus she thinks it's real. This simulation is a preparation for the Keeper, so these quests may have been created by Aletheia, so Kassandra can finally settle things with her past and move forward ready to live for another 2000 years. Besides Isu do not behave like these Isu-gods in the simulation. Kronos was not a Titan, he was just another Isu. So if this Underworld thing is more than just a simulation of the Underworld with some bits of Isu, than it totally destroys the already established lore and that is unacceptable.
Allias Star, Bayek's journey was an illuson created by an Apple. He admits that himself "I have walked the Fields of Reeds, I have felt the air on my skin, but I wasn't there, and I don't think I will. It was some trick with my mind".
The real good ending is the bad one. The Spartan honor was something that kept getting brought up during the quest line. It wouldn't be honorable for Brasidas to live in Elysium when he could be in Hades helping the innocent. A warrior with his spirit belongs in Hades so that he can help the innocent lives that the war destroyed. That in itself is the most honorable thing Barsidas can do in the afterlife.
Ok the ending is kinda bad either way, Choose Elysium and Brasidas walks with the weight of his past haunting him, choosing to stay and he has to spend eternity reuniting families separated by war (Although not that bad, but still denying him peace) Brasidas lived and died by a code of honor just as his father Tellis did. Sure he killed a man and unborn child but in war, you ask yourself the question "Are we doing the right thing?" to which your comrades remind you that "Of course, he is the enemy," but another question still remains, "His sense of duty was no less than yours, you wonder what his name is, where he came from, and if he was really evil at heart, what lies or threats led him on this long march from home, and did he not rather have stayed there... at peace?" So Brasidas deserves peace war is full of uncertainties many of which you can't see, like killing a man with a family back home... I feel that Brasidas should have gone to Elysium, fuck Hades and his bullshit. And to add to it Lilaira says that her husband and I quote, "He was protecting his people, his family." Brasidas was fighting for his people and his family so what'd you expect woman, your husband knew the risks and the consequences of taking up arms in a war.
honestly i think its better when Brasidas stays true to honor and stays in the underworld fixing his wrongs than going to Elysium with the biggest burden ever
Thank you for this guide. I was following other guides doing what they did but for some reason he never wanted to go to elysium even though he did for the other videos i watched. But following your guide it worked. I was tired of redoing this quest over and over.
I sent him to Elysium. He fought in a war, where people die, not just the soldiers. It wasn't his fault and he was a good man, he just protected himself. He stood by the people and doesn't deserve the pain of the Underworld. I played with Alexios and I loved his friendship with Brasidas. I stood by his side (well, mostly by accident, I forgot I've met him in Korinth) and he was glad he saw me before his last battle. I wish I had a friend like him. I spare Elpenor's life as well. I have no idea why, but he helped me and he's already dead, he won't come back to haunt me. And he never will, especially now that I let him go.I loved this game, every minute of it (I played over 200 hours).
My favorite part is that despite brasidas not remembering you at first, you actually get him to remember you as if nothing had happened, it’s probably just me though
Since Brasidas was a real person, I am surprised how much depth was given to his character without messing with what happened in real life (like him dying in the Amphipolis battle). I just love how they portrayed him and explored his friendship with Kassandra. On the other hand, it sucked that they couldn't be together because, again, he really existed. XD
Man, this quest has been such a wild ride for me. At first I wanted Brasidas to go to Elysium even despite him accidentally killing the child (don't judge me, this game was created with many opinions in mind), but I didn't choose honor (since his death was a bit awkward) and he decided to stay in the underworld, so I reloaded the checkpoint and had to replay almost the whole questline again. But then I saw that Brasidas had to hold onto the ashes (which would limit his movement as hell and probably drive him insane) and decided that the underworld is a better place for him, so I reloaded the checkpoint again and blamed the Spartan code. This is one of the missions where there is no happy ending and poor man has to go through eternal punishment either way.
Although yes it seems bad that he didn't go to Elysium in the bad option, i think it would've been worse if he went because he would spend eternity with the urn of a child he killed. That seems like a worse torment than not going to Elysium at all.
An eternity in Elysium doubting whether he should really be there, questioning what he did, or an eternity in the underworld helping other dead people as an atonement? I know which one I would have preferred. Hades was right about where Brasidas belonged, but he had to play a stupid game which backfired with the "correct" player choices.
It's a shame that Brasidas never got to go to Elysium despite Hades granting him permission to go. The devil is in the details, recall that Hades says, and I quote "The moment these ashes leave your HANDS is the moment you'll find yourself in Tartaros forever." Remember that the word HANDS is plural. He tosses Brasidas the urn full of ashes and then prompts him to say goodbye. That was the trick. Hades turns his back and Brasidas reaches out to shake the hand of Kassandra. At that moment, his hands are no longer holding the ashes, only a HAND is. Words and phrases are critical when dealing with devils or deities. Hades turns and sees this and proceeds to send him "Elysium" before Kassandra can shake his hand. This wasn't Hades being petty because of Kassandra's interference, this was Hades fulfilling the end of the verbal contract he warned against. What we saw was Brasidas being sent to Tartaros. Hades was already upset he'd been upstaged by a mortal uninvited to his realm, he wasn't going to suffer humiliation by allowing another realm see the evidence that he had been bested in a battle of wits. Brasidas never stood a chance.
I cant believe it! I did all the choices you did EXCEPT the first one: I went with the "your farther was wrong" line (cause I really thought that) instead of "you deserve elysium". At the end he chose to stay in the underworld. Ahhh heck. So I guess that's the only line that really matters here.
oh I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Though I can confirm that if you did everything right except for the "Hubris" choice, he'll choose to stay as well
What really annoyed me about the underworld is that Deimos isn't there. You find everybody else that died in the main storyline, but not him. Unless of course hes in Tartaros, considering the despicable things he did in life. It's just a shame there's no quest that involves him
I honestly don't think a Spartan would be so burdened by an urn with the ashes of the people he killed, these guys were basically broken men, literally at birth they were checked for any, any imperfection, if there was even a small chance that this baby wouldn't be the perfect warrior, they'd murder it, then at seven they were conscripted into the Agoge, hands down the most brutal training in the history of training, they'd strip a child of their innocence, of their mercy, anything that would make them hesitate to kill and tons, and I mean tons of Kids died during the Agoge, and that's exactly what it was designed for, to create the perfect, unquestioning soldier and while this resulted in the Spartans being hands down some of the best warriors in the ancient world it also resulted in Spartans being more like machines, and their loyalty to Sparta was unflinching and absolute, so I doubt he'd care too much, if anything I think they'd her as a pathetic thing, killing herself over a single dead child when he himself has witnessed the deaths of his closest friends when he was a child they've experienced the deaths of people who were his friends and she's acting like she's suffered the real loss, and also, this is war, where people die, both sides were often just as brutal as each other
You can see staying in hell is the better choice as his given an honorable task, goingbto paradise and not allowing to let go off the urn is a prison sentence, besides he butchered a town
and his talk is reuniting families separated by war, he will make people happy in death and what's not to love ? Really, the good ending is not the one we think !
@@ink3539 who to say he will find his honour this way. To be honest this doc sucked therevqere only a few missions and nothing affected the state off play
@@connorwiseman6277 to be honest, I havent got any DLC (yet ?) Because of time and issues with my ps4, I kinda wish they didn't have the dead characters reappear because we sort of had a closure, brutal, unfair but... yeah that's death. I kinda like this idea of greek afterlife though !
Thing with the DLC is that its poorly made, if your a first time and havnt played the full game, you meet certain ppl in hell that are dead ( doing dlc first ), yet arnt dead in the actual game, its poorly made, maybe 2 hrs of gameplay. The first DLC smashes this one
I mean this the second option where Brasidas has the task of reuniting families separate by war as an eternal job actually doesn’t sound that bad, and seems like more or a righteous job of atonement if you ask me. I still think that both of the beginning endings are okay.
If brassidass goes to Elysium, surely he could get someone to make him a contraption that the urn will always stay on him. Or maybe Persephone could do something
i did miss my boi brassidas and its nice to see him again but it sucks that he doesnt seem to have a "happy" ending which makes me feel sad all over again - with phoibe she got her "happy" ending because she was a child who ended falling victim, being at the wrong place at the wrong time. but with brassidas he was a soldier whos actions are never black nor white, hes done terrible things like all soldiers have, but yet hes also done good so in a way his endings make sense yes but man sucks he doesnt really get a happy ending :'c
Smh my head. Brasidas was the only npc I cared about, if he were to die or not. And then he wasn't romanceable, and he got a fucking spear through the head, of all things. And the tragedy isn't even his death, it's ubisofts attempt to make choice driven games
Failing is the best option for Brasidas, he gains his redemption and instead of tearing apart families he now brings them together, finding peace. If you win you literally damn him to hell
Ikr like if i was a american soldier and i saw a japanese soldier, and we were both in hell id just call it quits because at that point we would just be fighting to fight. I would like to imagine them getting along - like athenians and spartans joining adonis’ rebellion
In the game I made the choices to let Brasidaas to go to Elysium.. But to hang a bottle of your own ashes while moving around in Elysium? He would be criticized in public and ashamed in eternity...... Now I am regretting my decision..... Anyway, can I find him in Elysium after this mission?
Such a great story with super interesting concept about a man's fate.. The truth is - being righteous, living by the Spartan code, and that is how you enter the Elysium, and that's is why the Spartan code is all about. But however - nobody is righteous, and the man gets away with whatever ideology and forgets that he did wrong to his fellowman, and that is the another aspect of having that Godlike fire of love in our hearts that leads to the path of righteousness and true love. Brasidas accidentally failed, but still even though he gets in Elysium, - he still has the choice to return to Underworld, if he sees that he doesn't belong there. So Hades actually made a good judgment, since repentance is not possible anymore for the dead, but only for the living. What a game!
In several religions, if you commit suicide, you are damned to what ever version of hell it has, since by most accounts taking your own life is considered dishonorable. Read Dante's Inferno sometime, there is a whole circle of hell devoted to suicide.
Brasidas staying is the happy ending. In Elysium, he's plagued by doubt and fear, while in the Underworld, he has peace of mind and a noble purpose. Btw, I got the Underworld ending by choosing the same options as in this video, except one at the beginning (I chose "your father was wrong" and that seemed to seal it.) I don't know if it matters that I had a great relationship with him in the main game.
I chose to make him feel good about himself the whole way through, even choosing to push him to go to elysium and yet he still decided to stay in the underworld.
but brasidas going to elysium is actually the bad ending. Because he has to literally continue holding and live with his guilt in a paradise he doesn't deserve. and if he stays he can feel redemption and peace.
You know what's weird abouut this whole Atlantis DLC. I played it while a time where Brasidas is still alive in the main story.... but he still was dead in this DLC. Same counts for Testicles and Kleon btw. Well done Ubisoft...
@@username1660 You can blame them, The DLC was only playable after some time in the game, I see no problem with just block this quest to be playable until Brasidas is dead for example. Also I got no note in the quest that I should play the DLC after the main game.
watching this vid I'd really like to play this game as it seems intriguing and all, but then I remember about the weightless combat and the cartoonish animations and effects from origins. How cool it would have been to have a good strategic combat system where you can really feel the impact of each sword or spear hit while having this huge shield in your left arm (plus some tweaks to parkour and world design to make it more engaging and less repetitive). I might try this game in the next years if I really feel like it but I know it would only be for its universe in terms of buildings recreation and artistic direction, not for the gameplay I really tend to hate.
I got the Brasidas going to Elysium ending but imho, the Brasidas working in the Cradle is actually the morally right answer in hindsight. Sucks to carry the ashes of your accidental murder in heaven for all of eternity in pain of damnation.
Brasidas was in my playthrough more moral than my Alexios, I am a damn manace in this game and did multiple massmurders and stealing everything which is not riveted and nailed.
I love the music of the underworld! It’s so mythological and legendary. It’s more greek than every other music in the game which are more like a barbie movie music.
Can't remember what choices i picked but in the end, i told him to go and your man god swiped his hand and brasidas vanished. Whats that mean? Hes gone up or hes fkd?
How is one better than the other? Both are punishments, one where you spend eternity in paradise, never forgetting that you don’t belong, and the other is to live in punishment and atone. Does whether it’s the good ending depend on who wins the bet?
So am I correct to say that the entire Underworld is just as a simulation? In that case, my head canon is Brasidas and all of Kassandra's loved ones are at peace and happy..
i did "fight with honor", "blamed war", and "you belong to elysium" - all that should lead to him going up there, but somehow he decides to stay in underworld anyway.. weird
I chose Brasidas to stay in the Underwold Wanna know why. Because he is half bad half good. Hes half good because he followed that code I can see it myself when I was playing the game, he protected Sparta until the end, He honored the gods, He protected lives as well but He also ruined it for others just like what he did to that Womans husband. So I should say that he's quite balance and he needs to stay in the underworld where he would suffer for eternity but help people at the same time and you may never know that when he helped a lot of people there's a chance he might go to Elysium because of this.
It is important to mention that the burning of his village was right after a battle. So we can conclude that the people DID resist as a point. Secondly, we must not forget that they may have burned/pillaged this village to boost soldier morale (get riches, foodstock, etc). since as you know in history, soldiers don't fight for nothing. Why should he stay in hell for an action that many others have committed? It's only immoral if they would have not resisted at all
Okya, can someone please explain how exactly these Afterlife DLCs work exactly? I heard they're virtual simulations created by Aletheia, but I have no earthly idea why or how they work? Technically speaking, none of this is actually happening? Are these gods the actual Isu like Juno, or are they just constructs and not real Isu? Did Ubisoft forget that AC ain't supposed to have actual afterlives? I'm completely confused here. This is the Pharaohs DLC all over again...
@@xLetalis Seriously, if those are just Piece of Eden/Animus Simulations meant to train Kassandra, they're extremely elaborate and psychologically disturbing and harmful. Those are her dead friends there! In what way is creating illusions of her dead friends going to help her use the Staff? I have my own fan theory that the Pieces of Eden make copies of people's minds and store them inside (which is how Juno and Aletheia are still around, and how the Pharaohs appeared in the Origins DLC), which could technically create an afterlife-esque Matrix like the ones from the DLCs. But Brasidas and Phoibe never wielded a Piece of Eden. Or is the Spear of Leonidas supposed to have copied them just by their being close to Kassandra. Oh Cthulhu, my brain hurts... Would Ubisoft just fucking explain this scientifically, or are they just going with the Rick and Morty asspull of "Oh, Quantum Physics Makes Reality subjective, let's alter the timeline" that they obviously seem to be building up towards since AC Origins?
Someone on reddit posted a beautifully written explaination that the isu use the word simulation in the place of reality. So the 'simulations' are just other realms/pocket realities. Basically implying that the afterlife was created by the isu
@@wettailtimberwolf1996 Okay, so it's basically the same concept as the Tyranny of King Washington, with even more Rick and Morty flavor thrown in, as Ubisoft now implies that there are actual gods and afterlives in other alternate realities (which on par for this game, which can't decide if its Assassin's Creed, Witcher 3, Shadow of War, Black Flag or, as of now, God of War). Which is even more confusing in and by itself. Why do I get the feeling that Ubisoft is going for the Mortal Kombat 11 route of complete Time Reset? Only in Assassin's Creed's Case, it makes no sense and makes everything we've played completely moot (as if AC Origins revealing the great philosophical war between two conspiracies really started over Discount Conner Kenway and Aveline bitching over their dead son and killing the best monarchs of the ancient world after Alexander the Great wasn't enough...).
i dont understand how anyone can play this game as kasandra and not alexios, it’s just a gameplay option it doesn’t mean you’re meant to choose it, if he’s on the box he’s the cannon protagonist and the story doesn’t quite stack up when you swap the two
I've managed to send Brasidas to Elysium and get Poseidon a coin from Hades, but somehow I sense that is the wrong decision. Brasidas did do terrible things and should mend it in the Underworld.
I finished this DLC quest, before I actually at the main story where Brasidas got killed in war. That's why I'm getting really confused, when met him in underworld, because I didn't knew his story until later. 🤣
So I skipped the help Charon quests and went straight for Atlantis, and right before fighting Hades, his dogs were attacking some guy who looked like Brasides... wasnt sure if that was him and that’s what happens if I skip those quests or is that some random guy... I was a little worried
When Hades said that the moment Brasidas leaves the ashes he will go to Tartarus again,was it literal or metaphorical in the sense that he would forget his sin ? Or maybe both ? Any thoughts?
My favorite character that wasn't a romance option is given some tragic backstory and doesn't get a happy ending, both are punishments. Heck, the "bad" ending is the more positive one.
same here
Mr_Valdus I would’ve romanced him so quick.
Same, and they played with my emotions.. to let Kassandra "help" him gave me hope for a happy ending for him but no, all for nothing.
Mondshadow 7 what happened to him in the end? Did hades send him in elysium or kill him?
@@holyknightamax4833 elysium
Why do they make hades a jerk? Out of all the Greek gods he was the most honorable one... He acts more like Apollo playing games when they don't get their way...
Where is Persephone to set him straight...
Persephone is a bit of a jerk too ;]
I actually like Hades here lol, he's a lowkey troll but he does mean what he says...sort of
The Gods were cruel. Their cruelty is a common theme among many of them. Hades wasn't an evil God per se, but he was ruthless in his punishment. Take Sisyphus for e.g. who refused to head back into the underworld after cheating death. Hades dragged him back down and forced him to push a boulder up a cliff, only for it to fall back down, and have to push it up again over and over for eternity. I think they did a pretty good job depicting Hades.
@@TacTar it's pretty tame especially when you consider in mythology all the gruesome methods of punishments were Zeus or other gods decision. Hades is chill for a Greek god and is reasonable
Persephone is a jerk because no matter what you do you can't convinct her that her best friend Hekate is planning to overthrone her
Why tf does Hades look like the Thalmor from Skyrim?
It's a thalmor in disguise
Hades just might have shady ties with total dickheads from parallel universes.
Yoooo sucks brasidas dies would love him on the ship!!!
Emma Treacy yup u already know
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Man, are all the gods absolute dickheads? Also, this choice with Brasidas doesn't seem like it really has a "good" ending. He either goes to Elysium literally carrying the weight of what he's done, or he's doomed to spend eternity in the Underworld. Although his "punishment" seems pretty nice. It's just kind of sad that he doesn't really get a happy ending, especially after he died the way he did in the main storyline. His first fight with the Eagle Bearer in the warehouse was one of my most favorite scenes in the game.
Tbh honest "especially after he died the way he did in the main storyline" is the exact thing why I think otherwise. He was Spartan code above reason, he knew nothing but war/charge. He got owned and was injured from his previous fight but still decided to SUICIDE by fighting Deimos. (Hes pretty much on the same boat as the woman who hang herself.) It was his hubris that killed him, it was Spartan code that killed him => he doesnt deserve Elysseum.
Also in the Underworld hell do work that undoes the horrors he created because of Spartan code.
Dark Voice Yeah so all those cowards who wanted to rebel with Adonis and only do it because of our hard work weakening everything deserve Paradise? Only person I remember even remotely worth a grain of salt in Elysium was Leonidas. Besides him there were a bunch of cowards you couldn’t remotely call heroes. Yet the description reads “home of heroes” 😂
@@boogiedown7608 If I had a choice, I wouldnt weaken Persephone at all. Asked Persephone to send me to underworld and be done with it. Hekate lied when she said that Persephone never allowed anyone leave Elysseum because Phoibe left it to search for her parents. I actually think there is no reason to cause any uprising there. Even Adonis could leave if he wanted but was a coward once. Then he won the war and asked Persephone again and she allowed it again (based on my gameplay) so the "Noone can leave Elysseum" is total BS.
Dark Voice In my opinion the entire thing was stupid. The people in paradise are rebelling? What in the actual fuck. Then you find out Herakles and Perseus are in hades. Literally what in the fuck. Herakles legend says when his wife killed him and they burned his body it allowed him to go to Olympus but no he’s in Hades. Perseus writings talk about him slaying the gorgon, but he gave the head to Athena and she put it on her shield. This is the same Athena that transformed Medusa in the first place for getting raped in one of her temples(fucking ridiculous). But Perseus in hades for some kind of Hubris?
Only thing I’ve thought was interesting is that Perseus has abilities like the eagle bearer and maybe the eagle bearer has the blood of Zeus too. Achilles didn’t have no powers from what I saw and I haven’t fought Agamemnon or herakles yet.
@@boogiedown7608 I think the heroes have the ability to go in between realms, at least Herakles because he's a god, but if that's not why they're there, i think its the fact they have "Fallen" and if they somehow died in Elysium or while traveling in between realms then they could have become Fallen.
How to save Brasidas:
Don't finish the story
exactly!
He’s dies anyway killed or being old
Good idea.
you can't save a character that died in history
@@AgentSixNine69 yeah you can, if you don’t do any missions then the history won’t play out
Why does Hades look like a darker version of Loki with a Greek accent?Did the tesseract glitch?
people usually say he looks like Shinnok ;]
@@xLetalis oooooh he does.
@@xLetalis for me he looks like an altmer from the elder scrolls xD
He does look lil like Loki. His behavior seems in line with Loki’s as well given it almost seems like he views the dead as his playthings.
This was a very well done questline, but sad too. I really like Brasidas since the beginning and it's unfortunate that he doesn't really get a "happy" ending. But if I had to choose I'd say staying in the Underworld is probably the best. However...while it doesn't surprise me what Hades did, I do want to say to that woman(The corpse) that war IS to blame for her loses. I know she says something like, "War didn't hold a blade to my husband" or something like that, but yes...it did. If there was no war with Athens then the Spartans would have no reason to be there. Her husband made a choice as soon as he picked up a sword and ran at Brasidas. To her. He was defending their home, but to Brasidas he was another enemy who wanted to kill him. Her husband really should have led her away from the village or they should have kept their heads down. Yes, they would have lost their home, but they could rebuild. Joining the fight sealed his fate. Besides. How many Spartan villages were attacked by Athens? How many loved ones died by Athenian steel? I know it's impossible for the writers to think of everyone's response to a situation like this, but it's times like these I wish I could literally step into a game and give my two cents.
I think you misunderstood. He attacked an innocent village that had nothing to do with the war. Brasidas said himself that he killed innocents, which is against the Spartan code. Her husband was right to fight back, because the Spartans were torching their home and killing their people. Even in times of war, everyone knows that some places are neutral. She said her husband wasn't a solider, and Brasidas knew that. It's actually a really painful contrast, because when we first met Brasidas he showed concern for the innocent people tied up in the barn, and he gets angry if you don't free them before it burns down. This is really brilliant writing. Even though we love Brasidas and consider him a friend, we can't justify his actions. People have been sent to hell for less, and Hades was absolutely right in denying him paradise. We only saw _one_ story, but he likely killed several people in that village, hence his nickname "The Butcher". And regardless of how you feel or what you'd want to add, it would still only come down to two choices: he stays or he goes. No matter what, you wouldn't be able to convince that woman and I think she expresses that perfectly. It's like she said, war didn't kill her husband, throw her down, or burn her village -- Brasidas did. The whole point of this quest was to make him take responsibility for his own actions. Personally I would've loved to send him to Elysium, but considering Hades' conditions and the fact that that poor woman is being punished for nothing more than ending her pain (pain wrought on by Brasidas) it didn't seem just or honourable.
@@kirikakirikakirika War is a tale old as time. I'm not denying Brasidas's action, but at the same time. The Spartans were there for a purpose. The Athenians were there and even if the people in the village are neutral themselves. It still shows the Spartans that they were aiding their enemies regardless if they want to or not. As for her husband. I still say he should have kept his head down. He didn't. He took up a sword and fought. It reminds me of that episode of A:TLA where Zuko gives a child a knife and he pulls it on some mercenaries, and they take him saying he's old enough to join the army if he has a weapon. It would be no different if someone drew a weapon on you. You wouldn't ask what they're reasoning is. You would see them as a threat. Which brings me back to my original statement. If there was no war. There would be no Spartan attack. Yes, I get the idea of the quest is to make Brasidas answer for what he did. But it doesn't change the fact that war IS ultimately the cause of this woman's pain. Brasidas may have been the one to strike her husband down and kill her, but war initiated it as it did for everyone else who was caught in the crossfires. And as for the choice. I mean. Looking at the endings. Yeah, the better one is staying in the Afterlife. But. I still think he should be in Elysium since as you stated. For the most part he protected innocents. I'm not saying he's completely innocent and no doubt he has blood on his hands, but so does every soldier in some way.
@@jckspacy
But the problem is Brasidas attacked first. He admitted the village was innocent and he not only attacked regardless, but he burned the entire village down. They weren't soldiers and they had nothing to do with the war. As the wife said, they were _occupied_ by Athens. There's a good chance they weren't Athenian at all. That would be like you breaking into someone's home, killing the husband when he tries to fight back, then saying it's _his_ fault for not keeping his head down. War doesn't mean having to give up your humanity. The man was down, he couldn't fight back, his wife literally tried to stop it, but Brasidas threw her aside like she was nothing. As Brasidas said, they were, quite literally, innocent. _That's_ the problem. _That's_ why he was denied paradise.
@@jckspacy The woman said "When the battle was over, Spartans flooded the village, drunk on victory and blood. They torched our homes.". So Brasidas took part in the massacre of innocents (the people in the village are civilians because the battle was over) by murdering one of the men who tries to defend the village from this 'war crime'. Why murder? Well, the man was easily defeated and even after her wife tried to stop Brasidas he still continued to kill a surrendering or disabled enemy who was trying to stop or avenge the ongoing massacre.
The woman is right. Sure, war is to blame indirectly, but that's just not taking accountability. The war is about two main states, and not against the village, which isn't even a threat anymore since the Spartans already occupies the region it's in, or at least the area of the region where the village is. The Spartans, including Brasidas, made a choice to do that to the people in the village out of their own free will - he probably already has the rank to stop it.
Should it even surprise anyone knowing that their workforce are slaves? The states' peoples that they conquer become helots. What is honor for Spartans except for their own good.
The thing is historically brasidas was invited several times to invade villages to free them from athenian control.
4:15 thanks for this accurate description Brasidas. Too bad it befits literally EVERY OTHER SPARTAN SHIELD as well!
Oh yeah and it has the spartan symbol on it! Oh and it is also a shield
its not like basicly every shield a spartan has was given him by his father, who recieved it from his grandfather and so on. Brasidas is an idiot
When you get to choose a shield, there are two spartan shields but only one has scars. The other one is "clean". It's just a hint
@@Sapia_Papia There is no such a thing as a clean spartan shield, only p**ies have clean shields, spartans are no p**ies
@@phantom1a2 I know man.The first of the 3 shields is a pussy-shield. 😁 But I, as a Euboian, would totally go for the blue one.Attiki hools 👊
Actually him staying in the underworld doesn't seem so bad. But the 3 important choices to get him in Elysium as far as I can gather are:
1) Tell him he was all about honor and not hubris
2) Don't blame him or the Spartan code
3) Tell him he deserves to be in Elysium
xLetalis
Now that I’ve seen both results I think where he stays in Tartarus is actually the better result.
When Hades sends him to Elysium it’s kinda like a curse, but when he stays, it’s like he embraces a new purpose.
On my first try I tried to send him to Elysium but he refused to go, and he stayed, I thought I failed but looking back I’m glad I didn’t.
Thanks for clearing this up for us :)
my pleasure
@@SilverShadow1617
So true, in fact Hades turned paradise into a cruel torture because of the stipulations he placed on Brasidas.
But in the underworld, he gave Brasidas a purpose that suits him. It wasn't a torture like the one for Sisyphus, but it was instead it was a job that will allow him to find peace.
Can somebody please tell me who does belong in Elysium then? Because all I remember is some coward named Adonis being there. Hardly seemed like the home of heroes when all the actual heroes are apparently in Hades. I mean really, Perseus? Didn’t Athena accept the Gorgons head from him? Only Hero that seemed to belong in Hades was the one who killed the Chimera and tried to fly Pegasus to Olympus. He’s literally the only Greek hero I remember that remotely seems like he would end up in Hades because he specifically pissed Zeus off and Zeus himself killed the guy.
And Hēraklês? Didn’t his death literally free him from his mortal body to become an actual god and go to mount Olympus in his legend? I haven’t finished the DLC but it sure seems like he is in Hades too.
I can go with Achilles and Agamemnon but Perseus and Hēraklês?
@@SilverShadow1617 hahahah same here😂
Tbh I think the underworld ending where he reunites families separated by war is the best ending, he has a purpose and gets to continue with honour, with the elysium ending he'll be forever fearful of dropping the urn and if he did then he'll be in tartaros forever and he may also be believing he was dishonourable and doesn't deserve it etc
It's all good. I literally been in tartaros and fought the prisoners. So I'll just go back and break my boy brasidas out no problem.
Yes I dont actually like him so Iet him goes to heaven so he suffer forever
I don’t know about Brasidas but Kassandra has killed much more people and have destroyed much more families (something that was addressed on the first episode of the other DLC. Made me feel like a monster), I personally kill even the prisoners from locations just because I can, I do conquest battles because I’m bored and my usual looting method involves scouting the full length of Athens walls and killing every Athenian soldier which are mostly just sitting and doing their business.
Whatever Brasidas has done... to me this is totally normal
Kassandra is savage!
I used Alexios as a gentle character. Beast mode will cime along with Kassandra. Women are more fierce 😉
This comment is life. “Kassandra is savage.” 😂😂
I do conquest battles to alt f4 bounties
NO SHE HASN'T.... KASSANDRA HAS NEVER MURDERED ANYONE, EVERYONE SHE HAS KILLED WERE ATTACKING HER
@@Sapia_PapiaHISTORY HAS PROVEN THAT MEN ARE MORE FIERCE AND BIOLOGICALLY STRONGER
Brasidas chooses to go to Elysium: Hades sends him away before he and Kassandra can shake hands
Brasidas chooses to stay in Hades: he and Kassandra are allowed to shake hands
Talk about a sore loser
true :) That was probably my favorite scene with Hades
he got /tped to elysium when i was about to shake hand with him
honestly the 2nd outcome seems better imo
when he isn't convinced to just go to paradise he seems to make the choice of self punishment even if it seems like its given to him
he sees you as a better friend for not coddling him and telling him "hey you fucked up"
Honestly, greek gods were gigantic pricks. They really caught we'll this part of their personality
@@anatoleleconte723 They didn’t catch that zeus couldn’t keep it in his pants
Brasidas staying in the underworld seems like a better ending to me. He looked happier knowing that he has a chance to help people come together after tearing families apart by war. Elysium would be the prison in comparison.
Indeed. A stagnant prison of almost pure bliss, but with Absolute Order-crazy Persephone ruling it. Yeah...
I told Brasidas to stay in the underworld, his charge was fair and reuniting families separated by war sounds like a merciful task.
@Phillip Bucher That was the good ending
Quin so should I tell him to go or Elysium or stay in hades?
Quin i mean what would you have done just stopped attacking and been like, oh there’s a women I should stop attacking. She got in the way it’s her fault
@Quin just completed the quest. Fuck all the code bullshit lol I sent him to Elysium
Sirius Black Same here. Though I don't know if it really helped him since he has to hold that urn forever and if he lets go of it he's sent to Tartaros.
It was sad seeing Brasidas so depressed in the underworld 😥 he seemed like a really chipper and wise head when living.
He lost his light 🥲
I imagine being sent to hell can have that affect on you.
When I played it, I managed to get Brasidas to go to Elysium. Honestly, I am very happy. In fact, Brasidas has always been a magnificent person, and as a warrior, he did his job. It is not his fault, but the war, the eternal conflict between Sparta and Athens. Think about it: Leonidas certainly did something similar, so why can he go to heaven and Brasidas not? And as for the scene where Hades doesn't get Kassandra and Brasidas to shake hands, I think he only did it because he knew he had lost the bet with Poseidon. In short, I really believe that Brasidas deserved the Elysian Fields.
How the heck is that better? He’s condemned to carry that urn forever, or end up in Tartarus if he separates with it.
I agree, despite what he did to that woman and her husband, he didn't know that she was pregnant at the time when he shoved her. Sure he deserves to go to the underworld for killing an innocent but, after meeting Kassandra or Alexios, he still honoured the Spartan code, right?
@@renascence239 true but, that's price he has to pay for killing an innocent, even though he didn't know that woman was pregnant at the time.
But imagine living in a crying of someone you killed "accidentally". A moment he free himself of the vase, he went straight to Tartaros. No, I think that is hell. To be in constant fear & the cry omg it'll drive you crazy in a place no matter how beautiful it is.
might be because Leonidas has Isu blood
I hated how Hades was rude to Brasidas. Sure, he did a bad thing in the past (Havent we all?), but he fought with honor, he was a true friend in the storyline, and He died with honor on the battlefield. He shouldve been allowed to be in Elysium
I agree
I gotta hand it to the developers - the Isu version of the Greek gods are just as detestable and evil as the original mythical versions.
And true to ancient Greek form, the "bad" ending of Brasidas's tragedy is actually preferable to the "good" one.
The moment these ashes leave your hands is the moment you will find yourself in tartaros forever, sounds like a worst punishment then the bad ending.
All this underworld stuff is a simulation created by alethia so none of this is really happening but alethia used the basis of the Greek underworld so that Kassandra could understand she probably pulled all the info about brasidas and everyone else she knew from kassandras mind
Nicholas alvarado finally somebody noticed. But It is strange, that Kassandra acts like it is all real.
To her it probably is. What does the word “simulation” mean to an Ancient Greek? How else would her mind even be able to comprehend what she’s experiencing?
William Borges A dream that is real but not real?
@@williamborges212 Probably enough exposure to advanced Isu technology renders her mind to be similar to that of our current modern-era people.
@@williamborges212 to an observer, sufficiently advanced technology is no more different than straight up magic
Honestly it sounds more like hell going to Elysium. He’ll literally have to hold his sins for all eternity. At least staying he gets a chance to reunite families. He will become a legend himself.
Brasidas the House of Mender.
It's crazy how the ending of the side stories in Hades are generally more positive than the ones in Elysium. Phoibe, even if tearful, got to go to her parents in Elysium where an innocent, unburdened girl like her can be happy for eternity, meanwhile Brasidas, a hurt, broken man weighed down by his own sins, gets to spend eternity reuniting families and bearing witness to that joy over and over again. I'm in tears just thinking about it. But now I've got a question: are there multiple endings? Cause I'm not particularly happy with Layla's actions after Victoria pulled her out at the end of this.
Morrille Nagy, Yeah, but you have to remember this never happebed. Underworld and magic does not exist in AC lore. All this is just a simulation, a video game created by Alethia. So when Brasidas and Phoibe died, they simply died. There was nothing after that.
@@bobbyboom9 True, but I was just commenting on the story-telling.
@@bobbyboom9 I think it's more than just a simple simulation. Her interactions with Phoebie, Leonidas, Brasidas, and her old enemies feels totally real. And lets not forget that the staff was built by Hermes, who himself was part of the "simulation." If this were just a simple imitation of the underworld, there would be no need for the Phoebie and Brasidas side quests because those are genuinely about helping those two and giving Kassandra closure. If it wasn't really real, then what would be the point? Why would Kassandra fight so hard to send Phoebie to Elysium if that wasn't the real her? Maybe Alethia calls it a simulation to Kassandra because she isn't dead. Adonis was also alive. Here's what I believe: Maybe even the afterlife was built by the Isu, particularly Alethia. She probably created the Egyptian one as well as the Greek one. You say that this stuff doesn't exist in the Assassin's creed lore. But then how do explain Bayek's journey through the afterlife in "Curse of the Pharaohs?" That wasn't a "simulation".
Allias Star, Underworld breaks the lore of the Assassin's Creed. Nothing is magic, everything has scientific explenation. Kassandra may not know that this is a simulation (as far as I remember Aletheia told that only to Layla), thus she thinks it's real. This simulation is a preparation for the Keeper, so these quests may have been created by Aletheia, so Kassandra can finally settle things with her past and move forward ready to live for another 2000 years. Besides Isu do not behave like these Isu-gods in the simulation. Kronos was not a Titan, he was just another Isu. So if this Underworld thing is more than just a simulation of the Underworld with some bits of Isu, than it totally destroys the already established lore and that is unacceptable.
Allias Star, Bayek's journey was an illuson created by an Apple. He admits that himself "I have walked the Fields of Reeds, I have felt the air on my skin, but I wasn't there, and I don't think I will. It was some trick with my mind".
Hades is an ultimate troll lol xd
"Honor the gods, Honor sparta, blah ,blah, blah" 😂😂😂😂😂 I was doone.
The real good ending is the bad one. The Spartan honor was something that kept getting brought up during the quest line. It wouldn't be honorable for Brasidas to live in Elysium when he could be in Hades helping the innocent. A warrior with his spirit belongs in Hades so that he can help the innocent lives that the war destroyed. That in itself is the most honorable thing Barsidas can do in the afterlife.
The kings that started the war should be doing that job
He's just a warrior following orders
Ok the ending is kinda bad either way, Choose Elysium and Brasidas walks with the weight of his past haunting him, choosing to stay and he has to spend eternity reuniting families separated by war (Although not that bad, but still denying him peace) Brasidas lived and died by a code of honor just as his father Tellis did. Sure he killed a man and unborn child but in war, you ask yourself the question "Are we doing the right thing?" to which your comrades remind you that "Of course, he is the enemy," but another question still remains, "His sense of duty was no less than yours, you wonder what his name is, where he came from, and if he was really evil at heart, what lies or threats led him on this long march from home, and did he not rather have stayed there... at peace?" So Brasidas deserves peace war is full of uncertainties many of which you can't see, like killing a man with a family back home... I feel that Brasidas should have gone to Elysium, fuck Hades and his bullshit.
And to add to it Lilaira says that her husband and I quote, "He was protecting his people, his family."
Brasidas was fighting for his people and his family so what'd you expect woman, your husband knew the risks and the consequences of taking up arms in a war.
SpartanJ6, Yep in war there are no winners only sides that lose less.
honestly i think its better when Brasidas stays true to honor and stays in the underworld fixing his wrongs than going to Elysium with the biggest burden ever
i love how she just puts that huge ass staff on her back and it disappears
Thank you for this guide. I was following other guides doing what they did but for some reason he never wanted to go to elysium even though he did for the other videos i watched. But following your guide it worked. I was tired of redoing this quest over and over.
glad to hear
I sent him to Elysium. He fought in a war, where people die, not just the soldiers. It wasn't his fault and he was a good man, he just protected himself. He stood by the people and doesn't deserve the pain of the Underworld. I played with Alexios and I loved his friendship with Brasidas. I stood by his side (well, mostly by accident, I forgot I've met him in Korinth) and he was glad he saw me before his last battle. I wish I had a friend like him. I spare Elpenor's life as well. I have no idea why, but he helped me and he's already dead, he won't come back to haunt me. And he never will, especially now that I let him go.I loved this game, every minute of it (I played over 200 hours).
somehow the bad ending seems nicer
I know what you mean
That thumbnail, though. Looked like a promotion for a Game of Thrones "game". Get it? Lol
is that a good thing? :)
@@xLetalis maybe.
My favorite part is that despite brasidas not remembering you at first, you actually get him to remember you as if nothing had happened, it’s probably just me though
Since Brasidas was a real person, I am surprised how much depth was given to his character without messing with what happened in real life (like him dying in the Amphipolis battle). I just love how they portrayed him and explored his friendship with Kassandra. On the other hand, it sucked that they couldn't be together because, again, he really existed. XD
Man, this quest has been such a wild ride for me. At first I wanted Brasidas to go to Elysium even despite him accidentally killing the child (don't judge me, this game was created with many opinions in mind), but I didn't choose honor (since his death was a bit awkward) and he decided to stay in the underworld, so I reloaded the checkpoint and had to replay almost the whole questline again. But then I saw that Brasidas had to hold onto the ashes (which would limit his movement as hell and probably drive him insane) and decided that the underworld is a better place for him, so I reloaded the checkpoint again and blamed the Spartan code. This is one of the missions where there is no happy ending and poor man has to go through eternal punishment either way.
Although yes it seems bad that he didn't go to Elysium in the bad option, i think it would've been worse if he went because he would spend eternity with the urn of a child he killed. That seems like a worse torment than not going to Elysium at all.
An eternity in Elysium doubting whether he should really be there, questioning what he did, or an eternity in the underworld helping other dead people as an atonement? I know which one I would have preferred. Hades was right about where Brasidas belonged, but he had to play a stupid game which backfired with the "correct" player choices.
Hades loves riddles, and he loves to toy with mortals, I suppose the so-called "good ending" of thisquest is definitely part of Hades' joke !
It's a shame that Brasidas never got to go to Elysium despite Hades granting him permission to go. The devil is in the details, recall that Hades says, and I quote "The moment these ashes leave your HANDS is the moment you'll find yourself in Tartaros forever." Remember that the word HANDS is plural. He tosses Brasidas the urn full of ashes and then prompts him to say goodbye. That was the trick. Hades turns his back and Brasidas reaches out to shake the hand of Kassandra. At that moment, his hands are no longer holding the ashes, only a HAND is. Words and phrases are critical when dealing with devils or deities. Hades turns and sees this and proceeds to send him "Elysium" before Kassandra can shake his hand. This wasn't Hades being petty because of Kassandra's interference, this was Hades fulfilling the end of the verbal contract he warned against. What we saw was Brasidas being sent to Tartaros. Hades was already upset he'd been upstaged by a mortal uninvited to his realm, he wasn't going to suffer humiliation by allowing another realm see the evidence that he had been bested in a battle of wits. Brasidas never stood a chance.
I felt so sad... and mad... and then ... we’ll bad...
I cant believe it! I did all the choices you did EXCEPT the first one: I went with the "your farther was wrong" line (cause I really thought that) instead of "you deserve elysium". At the end he chose to stay in the underworld. Ahhh heck. So I guess that's the only line that really matters here.
oh I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Though I can confirm that if you did everything right except for the "Hubris" choice, he'll choose to stay as well
What really annoyed me about the underworld is that Deimos isn't there. You find everybody else that died in the main storyline, but not him. Unless of course hes in Tartaros, considering the despicable things he did in life. It's just a shame there's no quest that involves him
It’s bc not everyone kills Deimos in their play through
he was not killed in all playthrough. if you don't kill deimos he is still alive.
I honestly don't think a Spartan would be so burdened by an urn with the ashes of the people he killed, these guys were basically broken men, literally at birth they were checked for any, any imperfection, if there was even a small chance that this baby wouldn't be the perfect warrior, they'd murder it, then at seven they were conscripted into the Agoge, hands down the most brutal training in the history of training, they'd strip a child of their innocence, of their mercy, anything that would make them hesitate to kill and tons, and I mean tons of Kids died during the Agoge, and that's exactly what it was designed for, to create the perfect, unquestioning soldier and while this resulted in the Spartans being hands down some of the best warriors in the ancient world it also resulted in Spartans being more like machines, and their loyalty to Sparta was unflinching and absolute, so I doubt he'd care too much, if anything I think they'd her as a pathetic thing, killing herself over a single dead child when he himself has witnessed the deaths of his closest friends when he was a child they've experienced the deaths of people who were his friends and she's acting like she's suffered the real loss, and also, this is war, where people die, both sides were often just as brutal as each other
Sent both Phoebe & Brasidas to Elysium. They both deserved it.
You can see staying in hell is the better choice as his given an honorable task, goingbto paradise and not allowing to let go off the urn is a prison sentence, besides he butchered a town
a fair point
and his talk is reuniting families separated by war, he will make people happy in death and what's not to love ? Really, the good ending is not the one we think !
@@ink3539 who to say he will find his honour this way.
To be honest this doc sucked therevqere only a few missions and nothing affected the state off play
@@connorwiseman6277 to be honest, I havent got any DLC (yet ?) Because of time and issues with my ps4, I kinda wish they didn't have the dead characters reappear because we sort of had a closure, brutal, unfair but... yeah that's death. I kinda like this idea of greek afterlife though !
Thing with the DLC is that its poorly made, if your a first time and havnt played the full game, you meet certain ppl in hell that are dead ( doing dlc first ), yet arnt dead in the actual game, its poorly made, maybe 2 hrs of gameplay. The first DLC smashes this one
19:47 he probably was so proud of himself😂😂😂
yeah :D
He was one of my favorites when we first fight together in the warehouse
I mean this the second option where Brasidas has the task of reuniting families separate by war as an eternal job actually doesn’t sound that bad, and seems like more or a righteous job of atonement if you ask me. I still think that both of the beginning endings are okay.
I always wondered if you could somehow find Brasidas again, like as an NPC roaming around Elysium
The word priscilla has been used on your channel so often that youtube starts using it as a subtitle for greek names
hah, that's true, in fact... I'm working on a video about the Carnal Sins in the background!
If brassidass goes to Elysium, surely he could get someone to make him a contraption that the urn will always stay on him. Or maybe Persephone could do something
Josh Fallon it isn’t real. It is just test in simulation
Or he could pull a kratos and have the ash bonded to his skin
I really wanted to send him to Elysium. But I just couldn’t
i did miss my boi brassidas and its nice to see him again but it sucks that he doesnt seem to have a "happy" ending which makes me feel sad all over again - with phoibe she got her "happy" ending because she was a child who ended falling victim, being at the wrong place at the wrong time. but with brassidas he was a soldier whos actions are never black nor white, hes done terrible things like all soldiers have, but yet hes also done good so in a way his endings make sense yes but man sucks he doesnt really get a happy ending :'c
Smh my head. Brasidas was the only npc I cared about, if he were to die or not. And then he wasn't romanceable, and he got a fucking spear through the head, of all things. And the tragedy isn't even his death, it's ubisofts attempt to make choice driven games
Failing is the best option for Brasidas, he gains his redemption and instead of tearing apart families he now brings them together, finding peace. If you win you literally damn him to hell
Lmao this is how much Spartans and Athenians hate each other. They fight each other in the under world lmao
Ikr like if i was a american soldier and i saw a japanese soldier, and we were both in hell id just call it quits because at that point we would just be fighting to fight. I would like to imagine them getting along - like athenians and spartans joining adonis’ rebellion
THAT HOW GOD OF WAR WAS CREATED!
In the game I made the choices to let Brasidaas to go to Elysium.. But to hang a bottle of your own ashes while moving around in Elysium? He would be criticized in public and ashamed in eternity...... Now I am regretting my decision..... Anyway, can I find him in Elysium after this mission?
I don't think you can
Yey you did it
how about a round of gwent?
@@sharangcool ok
Im only interested in good cards tho
Such a great story with super interesting concept about a man's fate.. The truth is - being righteous, living by the Spartan code, and that is how you enter the Elysium, and that's is why the Spartan code is all about. But however - nobody is righteous, and the man gets away with whatever ideology and forgets that he did wrong to his fellowman, and that is the another aspect of having that Godlike fire of love in our hearts that leads to the path of righteousness and true love. Brasidas accidentally failed, but still even though he gets in Elysium, - he still has the choice to return to Underworld, if he sees that he doesn't belong there. So Hades actually made a good judgment, since repentance is not possible anymore for the dead, but only for the living. What a game!
The hanging woman goes to underworld even though she doesn't look evil. Is it because how she died?
Because she committed suicide, Hades hates that
Hadi Ferlan everyone who is hanging on a noose in the trees took their own lives which makes a lot of sense if you think about it
Hadi Ferlan 10:47 explains it as well
In several religions, if you commit suicide, you are damned to what ever version of hell it has, since by most accounts taking your own life is considered dishonorable. Read Dante's Inferno sometime, there is a whole circle of hell devoted to suicide.
great video man
Brasidas staying is the happy ending. In Elysium, he's plagued by doubt and fear, while in the Underworld, he has peace of mind and a noble purpose.
Btw, I got the Underworld ending by choosing the same options as in this video, except one at the beginning (I chose "your father was wrong" and that seemed to seal it.) I don't know if it matters that I had a great relationship with him in the main game.
I chose to make him feel good about himself the whole way through, even choosing to push him to go to elysium and yet he still decided to stay in the underworld.
that's the actual good ending elysium is hell for him cuz of the task he need to keep his hand on that jar or he goes to tartaros
but brasidas going to elysium is actually the bad ending. Because he has to literally continue holding and live with his guilt in a paradise he doesn't deserve. and if he stays he can feel redemption and peace.
Are you gonna do a video on the 6 min story converstion in swtor that was added with 5.10.3?
after I'm done with this :) I haven't even downloaded 5 10 3 yet!
I couldn’t let bradidas stay in the underworld, ge did one “huge” fault, but it is the war.
I don’t know actually.... but, I send him to Elysium
That second that ares didnt let me shake hands with Brassidas. >:(
Hades* Ares is not in this DLC
@@XF3693 ur right lol oopsie! I meant to say Hades haha
22:57 starts playing goldengirls theme
Hades= 18:49-18:53
Dracula From Hotel Transylvania= i do not say Blah Blah Blah.
You know what's weird abouut this whole Atlantis DLC.
I played it while a time where Brasidas is still alive in the main story.... but he still was dead in this DLC.
Same counts for Testicles and Kleon btw.
Well done Ubisoft...
They all died in the main story
Can't really blame Ubisoft when they outright tell you to finish the vanilla game before this DLC.
@@alvinsy1107 Three of them are still alive in my current playthrough ;)
@@username1660 You can blame them, The DLC was only playable after some time in the game, I see no problem with just block this quest to be playable until Brasidas is dead for example.
Also I got no note in the quest that I should play the DLC after the main game.
The message shows up in the main menu when you pick the Atlantis DLC option.
“Her love..... was her child.” 😱😢
The fact that brasidas is the only one in the underworld that still has his memories
watching this vid I'd really like to play this game as it seems intriguing and all, but then I remember about the weightless combat and the cartoonish animations and effects from origins.
How cool it would have been to have a good strategic combat system where you can really feel the impact of each sword or spear hit while having this huge shield in your left arm (plus some tweaks to parkour and world design to make it more engaging and less repetitive).
I might try this game in the next years if I really feel like it but I know it would only be for its universe in terms of buildings recreation and artistic direction, not for the gameplay I really tend to hate.
I got the Brasidas going to Elysium ending but imho, the Brasidas working in the Cradle is actually the morally right answer in hindsight. Sucks to carry the ashes of your accidental murder in heaven for all of eternity in pain of damnation.
If you don’t kill Deimos in the game, is this still a the same outcome? Was killing Deimos the canon choice?
There's no canon really, it's what you choose
Brasidas was in my playthrough more moral than my Alexios, I am a damn manace in this game and did multiple massmurders and stealing everything which is not riveted and nailed.
So helpful!!!
I love the music of the underworld! It’s so mythological and legendary. It’s more greek than every other music in the game which are more like a barbie movie music.
Can't remember what choices i picked but in the end, i told him to go and your man god swiped his hand and brasidas vanished. Whats that mean? Hes gone up or hes fkd?
he's in Elysium, you decide what that means ;]
@@xLetalis where in Elysium :(
How is one better than the other? Both are punishments, one where you spend eternity in paradise, never forgetting that you don’t belong, and the other is to live in punishment and atone. Does whether it’s the good ending depend on who wins the bet?
1:42 Just casually puts that gigantic staff into her pocket. Lolz
Isu tech amiright?
So am I correct to say that the entire Underworld is just as a simulation? In that case, my head canon is Brasidas and all of Kassandra's loved ones are at peace and happy..
The ending where Brasidas decides to stay and thanks Kassandra was far better than having to go to Elysium and carry the ashes for eternity.
i did "fight with honor", "blamed war", and "you belong to elysium" - all that should lead to him going up there, but somehow he decides to stay in underworld anyway.. weird
Your video was so helpful, I could not stand seeing Brasidas staying in hell! thank you for sharing your choices 😊
Glad to hear ;]
The ending where he spends eternity reuniting families instead of paradise seems more fitting and positive for him
Congratulations truly.
I chose Brasidas to stay in the Underwold
Wanna know why.
Because he is half bad half good. Hes half good because he followed that code I can see it myself when I was playing the game, he protected Sparta until the end, He honored the gods, He protected lives as well but He also ruined it for others just like what he did to that Womans husband. So I should say that he's quite balance and he needs to stay in the underworld where he would suffer for eternity but help people at the same time and you may never know that when he helped a lot of people there's a chance he might go to Elysium because of this.
It is important to mention that the burning of his village was right after a battle. So we can conclude that the people DID resist as a point. Secondly, we must not forget that they may have burned/pillaged this village to boost soldier morale (get riches, foodstock, etc). since as you know in history, soldiers don't fight for nothing. Why should he stay in hell for an action that many others have committed? It's only immoral if they would have not resisted at all
Okya, can someone please explain how exactly these Afterlife DLCs work exactly? I heard they're virtual simulations created by Aletheia, but I have no earthly idea why or how they work? Technically speaking, none of this is actually happening? Are these gods the actual Isu like Juno, or are they just constructs and not real Isu? Did Ubisoft forget that AC ain't supposed to have actual afterlives? I'm completely confused here. This is the Pharaohs DLC all over again...
I just don't question it ;]
@@xLetalis
Seriously, if those are just Piece of Eden/Animus Simulations meant to train Kassandra, they're extremely elaborate and psychologically disturbing and harmful. Those are her dead friends there! In what way is creating illusions of her dead friends going to help her use the Staff?
I have my own fan theory that the Pieces of Eden make copies of people's minds and store them inside (which is how Juno and Aletheia are still around, and how the Pharaohs appeared in the Origins DLC), which could technically create an afterlife-esque Matrix like the ones from the DLCs. But Brasidas and Phoibe never wielded a Piece of Eden. Or is the Spear of Leonidas supposed to have copied them just by their being close to Kassandra. Oh Cthulhu, my brain hurts...
Would Ubisoft just fucking explain this scientifically, or are they just going with the Rick and Morty asspull of "Oh, Quantum Physics Makes Reality subjective, let's alter the timeline" that they obviously seem to be building up towards since AC Origins?
Someone on reddit posted a beautifully written explaination that the isu use the word simulation in the place of reality. So the 'simulations' are just other realms/pocket realities. Basically implying that the afterlife was created by the isu
@@wettailtimberwolf1996
Okay, so it's basically the same concept as the Tyranny of King Washington, with even more Rick and Morty flavor thrown in, as Ubisoft now implies that there are actual gods and afterlives in other alternate realities (which on par for this game, which can't decide if its Assassin's Creed, Witcher 3, Shadow of War, Black Flag or, as of now, God of War).
Which is even more confusing in and by itself. Why do I get the feeling that Ubisoft is going for the Mortal Kombat 11 route of complete Time Reset? Only in Assassin's Creed's Case, it makes no sense and makes everything we've played completely moot (as if AC Origins revealing the great philosophical war between two conspiracies really started over Discount Conner Kenway and Aveline bitching over their dead son and killing the best monarchs of the ancient world after Alexander the Great wasn't enough...).
I wonder how close this is to the actual afterlife. Its interesting I'll tell u that.
Hi... i done:
- i tell him blame sparta code;
- i tell him deserves elisium;
But Brasida chosen Hades...
Why?
Mattia Recchia yeah
ur not supposed to blame the sparta code...
i dont understand how anyone can play this game as kasandra and not alexios, it’s just a gameplay option it doesn’t mean you’re meant to choose it, if he’s on the box he’s the cannon protagonist and the story doesn’t quite stack up when you swap the two
he seemed way more at peace with staying in the underworld
18:31 Just look at the smoothness of this microexpression
Wait the bad ending isn't a bad ending, it's better one.
I've managed to send Brasidas to Elysium and get Poseidon a coin from Hades, but somehow I sense that is the wrong decision. Brasidas did do terrible things and should mend it in the Underworld.
I chose "war is responsible" and "you belong in Elysium" and he still stayed in underwordl... wtf?
gosh I don't recall how it went anymore ;[
Lol same idk what I did wrong
I love this game. In my opinion one of the best RPGs since Witcher 3.
I finished this DLC quest, before I actually at the main story where Brasidas got killed in war. That's why I'm getting really confused, when met him in underworld, because I didn't knew his story until later. 🤣
So I skipped the help Charon quests and went straight for Atlantis, and right before fighting Hades, his dogs were attacking some guy who looked like Brasides... wasnt sure if that was him and that’s what happens if I skip those quests or is that some random guy... I was a little worried
When Hades said that the moment Brasidas leaves the ashes he will go to Tartarus again,was it literal or metaphorical in the sense that he would forget his sin ? Or maybe both ? Any thoughts?
Probably literal
literal i think.As the gods are always a douchebag