Ford Expedition STALLING!!!!!!!! Fixed!!... With a new torque converter. No more stalling!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- Ford Expedition Finished With a new torque converter. No more stalling!!! Sorry video gets blurry sometimes. TH-cam is messing with me again!
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I've been experiencing this very same thing with my 1998 5.4 2WD for a long while now. Exactly these symptoms. No check engine codes. Heavy shuddering under a load, going up hills in high gears etc. However, this video (along with a few other tips I got from fellow older style Expy owners) convinced me it's the Torque Converter..."The stalling for no reason at stops, or putting it in gear...but mostly every time I put it in reverse. Honestly, it is this video that made it clear. You explained my symptoms "EXACTLY!" It took me several (many) attempts to have different tranny repair shops diagnose it correctly. I stayed silent as they test drive it. Finally, an honest old school specialist took me on a very demanding test drive with a diagnosis device hooked up the whole time. The symptoms were very evident ...with no check engine lights or codes. He said even tho it acts like the symptoms of a misfire or coil pack or Injector going bad...."I've been doing this for along time...and I think your tranny is okay....It's your torgue converter." Everyone wanted to charge me for a complete rebuild and torque converter replacement. $3,500.00 +.
It is going in to have the torque converter replaced tomorrow along with a complete transmission service at his place. $900 out the door. So thank you for this video.
This was a very informative video. I appreciate the fact that you were so descriptive. I am having the same issues. With a Lincoln Mark VIII. I have changed out a few cylinoids and it shifts better, but still had the problem of staling.
Again thanks for all of your videos on this project.
Nice!!
Ford trans specialist here,,,just had to add that a converter itself Wil rarely be what's causing it to stay on,,,on the 4r70w trans it's usually a stuck tcc bypass valve and sleeve inside the valve body,,,also the valve has to be removed from the vb bore to see if the plunger is stuck inside the sleeve,,,a new valve can be purchased from sonnax,,,as Ford doesn't sell it separate from a whole vb..
Experiencing same trouble in 2000 F150 5.4L 4x4 - 4R70W - 163,000 - stalls when shifted into R nearly 100% of the time, when shifted into D perhaps 50% of the time with terrible surging eventually stalling. No problems starting, idling, in P or N. No noises/lights/codes. Truck was driving/shifting fine before problem started, except seemed I had to depress accelerator *sometimes* way to much to get it to downshift going uphill/loads. All I've done so far is a fluid/filter change (nothing but nice red fluid and fine sludge on the magnet came out) - no improvement. Removed and "tested" the TCC solenoid w/12V, seems to work. Crash courses on the TC and how it works, and the VB and what it does - all leave my head spinning. Is the TCC-bypass-valve-and-sleeve a route to explore? I'm guessing removal of the VB will be required?
@@ttmfrc you need to determine if the stall is caused by the trans or an engine issue,
first;;;;
jack up the rear end and put it into reverse with foot off the brake;;
does it stall or continue to run???
now put your foot on the brake,does it stall like a clutch was let out to quickly???
if the stall is caused by the transmision convertor clutch staying on,,it is usually a stuck plunger inside the bypass valve,,
you have to remove vaLVE BODY from the vehicle,,then take the plate off,,then remove the tcc bypass valve and sleeve from the bore its in to verify if the little valve is stuck inside the sleeve.
that is usually what it is,let me know how it goes
@@justingeraldi2304 jacked up the rear end. tried in R and D - continues to run with foot off the brake. When I apply the brake, it bogs down and stalls - yes, like perhaps the clutch were let out too fast.
Justin Geraldi - fixed! Just as you said. VERY glad didn’t have to pull the trans. Awesome
Amazing videos! Thank you for sharing with the world!
Thank you very much sir for your series of videos. You have she'd light to the same problem I have with my f150.
Word!~~ Have a great day!
@@FixingWithPassion
Just replaced the torque converter in my F150. It works great now. No more issues. Thank you so much for your videos.
hey guy they do make a seal pullers lol and you should use a block of wood to tap seals back in ! a hammer is a good way to bend it just had to put comment in when i saw this !
Sometimes ya gatta work with what ya got...;)
Great job, congratulations!
Thanks!
A big dog that's the best fuckin video I've ever seen in my life.. I get a nasty wine when I'm going uphill. Thank you and keep putting out more videos Man
Word!
The Ford seal still looked good.
Gonna do my converter swap this weekend. Thanks for the insite
CROOK ELLIS... Let us know how it goes!!
Crook Ellis I know it's been a while, but how did your converter swap go???
@@octaviousmillz2864 It went damn good. I use synthetic trans fluid. Shifts VERY SMOOTHLY
@@crookellis8849 I appreciate your help also I'm doing my swap this weekend. I'm also going to change the TCC and shift solenoids too.
@@octaviousmillz2864 Good luck👍
bet your glad that job is done and the things shifts good now and not stalling huhh ?? hehe good job
You know it! I'm gonna take a long nap now.
2000 F250 4x4 with 5.4L 146k. Dies in reverse, doesn't feel like its pulling, does it hot or cold. Tries to die out about 50% of the time, sometimes I can catch it and give it a little gas and it won't die until the next time I put it in reverse. Maybe torque converter? I wish it was something simpler, I've had surgeries that limit my right arms mobility and strength. I wouldn't be able to tackle a job like this anymore.
Yea sounds like it. Had the same issue. Best of heath to you~
@@FixingWithPassion Thanks Nathan, I'll have to see what I can figure out to get it replaced then. I appreciate you getting back to me. Take care.
@@FixingWithPassion Just wanted to update you. The issue turned out to be low transmission fluid. It was about 1 1/2 quarts low. I topped it off and drove it around with no issues , shifting was better, and after testing reverse about 10 or so times it never died. What a relief, although I should have checked it sooner. I bought it during the summer for a plow truck, I've hardly driven it, and have had other projects so haven't spent much time with it.
Not easy....good video.....
I can only imagine how much a shop charges to fix this issue 😬🤔 , i have a bad PDFE sensor on my 99 ford expedition .
Local wanted $1,800
Nathan Rohrbough i wish i was mechanically inclined like you to work on my 99 ford expedition haha , i can only do tune ups , i have a bad PDFE sensor in it right now .
That gray seal is a known faulty part! It must be changed they are for sure leaker's.
Yepeeeee....
I have an 2000 XLT and it to shuts off in drive. So the torque converter can be bad? I switched out the original engine and replaced the rear end. And still shuts off while in drive.
Just use a piece of pipe…if you don’t have a seal install tool….that seal doesn’t have much of a chance…
im having same issue . however i got a 4.0 , egine checks find after some vacum issuses
Ok.
I have a 2004 ford expedition Eddie Bauer and it cuts off when I put it in drive and this started yesterday but first my truck was slipping and different gears like when I first push gas at a light and sumtimes 50 and sumtimes 70 or over and sometimes it drive smooth then it jerks a little when the car is slowing down with out pressing Breaks but don't jerk went on pressing brakes what could this be
I have this Problem With my 97 Ford expedition 5.4 motor 4 wheel drive . Got in my truck after work And my motor was Lugging down like an air conditioner clutches was Seizing up Pulling my motor down Check it out it was not the air conditioner pump Started it againIt started pulling my motor down againI revved it up a little and heared a pop My motor started runing smooth but when I went to put it in gear I had nothing in 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel . My transmission was working fine before this no noises no slipping .Comments from other people suggest a transmission fluid pump went out need to know how Diagnose the problem or is there people out there that has had the same problem and what they found ?
Na...if your pump went out, you would not me moving! All bets it the Torque converter ;(
Was yours stalling out when it was in gear or decelerating to a stop? seems rare for a converter to lockup and stall the engine but I think mine is on a chevy
In gear and at a stop. Felt like someone did not push in the clutch and the engine would stall out.
Ya that is pretty much what mine is doing. Checked everything. Seems like a rare failure for a converter but they do fail that way. It also will lug the engine down in gear sometimes unless I blip the throttle while on the brake like 2 footing it. Then it unsticks. Before This I had a shudder and lockup worked when it wanted to
Also that factory front seal never ever leaks,,,they literally will last 2 million miles!!!!
But that aftermarket gray viton rubber seal won't make it 60,000 miles if your lucky
Yea seems to be close
Yea, you are right . The aftermarket rubber gray Viton transmission oil seal is not good as OEM Ford front transmission oil pump seal. I paid for genuine Ford oil pump seal part # FO - 57GT 7A248 AB for Ford A4LD A/T $56.28 .
Just curious, I happen to come across your video's. Looks like you've done transmission work before. For someone who's worked on different parts, but never a transmission. How many hours did you take and think a handy enough person would take to replace the torque converter.
Two people 1/2 day
@@FixingWithPassion this just started about a month ago. 1st heard a slight Winny sound. I always check all my fluids. Straight in the middle. Fluid was changing 4 months prior. I don't put a lot of miles on it. So I dropped the pan. It was never dropped before me. Cleaned out 22 years of very fine debris from the magnet. Replaced filters and fluid. Sounds went away. Drove it maybe 200 miles in three weeks. Dropped the pan, very little debre. Changed fluid again. Everything sounded good, no slippage until 2: days ago. Felt vibration at start up, and at beginning acceleration. Then smoothed out. Yesterday slight hesitation at first acceleration and 2-3 second between shifting into 2nd gear. Haven't drove it sense. But two years ago when I bought it from a coworker. He had maintenance paper work on transmission, sensors, brakes, reaxle fluid drained and replaced. Basically I felt well maintained. Until you mentioned it stalled on you after driving and came to a stop. This only happened once two weeks after I bought it. Nothing after. I did radiator fluid change,oil and transmission fluid change 3-5 months after I bought it, because I was going on a 1,000 mile trip. Drove great. Until just recently. Mine is a 2000 expedition 4.6l 2wd. I love the truck, but can't see paying for a rebuilt at 1700+2100$.
Sorry forgot, I used one bottle of Lucas transmission product in the first fluid change, not the second one, and complete Merc 5 fluid
I got the same problem on my truck right know 04 ranger 3.0 , stalls in reverse and all the other gears, so I changed The torque converter and it still stalls. when I first had this problem it will stall and I will turn off the truck and it will work again but but lately it hasn't worked
Does it Idle ok in N and Park?
TVWXMAN32 yes it does
Also when you come to a stop, does it feel like someone is trying to
pushing you through the stop sign and you really have to push hard on
the brake pedal to stop? That's what Mine felt like. I knew the
clutches in the torque converter were not releasing.
TVWXMAN32
not really when I am coming to a stop the the whole truck shakes and then it cuts off at a stop I did jacked up the back and ran throw the gearse and it will go but when I press the break it stall
Ok my next question is, where did you get the torque converter?
I should of watched this video beforehand. I just gouged the crap out of the pump aluminum removing the seal
ouch!~
I have a 98 Expedition xlt 4.6 l my reverse works fine it’s when u put it in drive at first it would feel like I was dragging something then it would be fine a week later no when you put it drive the motor revs uP loud but it won’t go into drive & when it does it’s crawling no leaks no lights on the dash so it’s gotta be the TCC ??
still works though no leaks. thanks @@FixingWithPassion
Sound like you were running lot
my car does the same thing but mainly after like 15min of driving it. when I'm driving it though I'll press the gas and the car Jerks as if I'm pushing the gas and letting go over and over. it'll stall when I stop after about 15 min of driving and it'll start up then I can put it in neutral, and reverse and I can reverse but as soon as I put it in drive it stalls immediately. do you think it's the same problem? I don't want the shop to screw me this is my first car and it started happening when I bought it. sending it in to the shop today and I don't want to spend more money than I have to.
O yea! Sad to say....sounds like the old torque converter. How many miles does it have. This is a Expedition right?
TVWXMAN32 no its a 97 oldsmobile achieva but I figured it'd be the same thing because of the symptoms.
TVWXMAN32 it'll be a lot cheaper changing it on my car than an expedition I believe.
Expedition TORQUE CONVERTER WAS ONLY $120.00. Pob the same price for the car. But tranny gotta come out ;(
Can you ever get vibration from a bad converter?
I never have...Its usually a drive train Issue etc.
No nono