2024 LD Nat 5 Tier List + How to build & Where to Use! WithTimestamps - Summoners War
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- The 2024 Light and Dark Nat 5 Tier List in overall usage including the builds and where/how to use them! Hope you enjoy :)
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction & explaining the tier list
2:20 - Chimera
4:30 - Ninja
5:35 - Valkyrja
7:25 - Dragon & Vampire
13:40 - Phoenix + Vampire build
17:25 - Archangel
20:35 - Oracle
24:05 - Occult girl
27:20 - Hell lady
31:10 - Dragon knight
35:45 - Monkey king
40:55 - Beast monk
42:15 - Sky dancer
45:35 - Pioneer
48:40 - Ifrit
52:10 - Polar queen
55:18 - Sea emperor
59:00 - Neostone agent
1:00:20 - Anubis & Horus
1:02:45 - Desert queen
1:04:30 - Fairy king
1:07:20 - Panda warrior
1:11:10 - Harp magician & Unicorn
1:18:55 - Paladin & Druid
1:23:25 - Lightning emperor & Cannon girl
1:32:25 - Demon & Beast rider
1:39:10 - Art master & Striker/Ryu
1:47:10 - Striker/M.Bison & Onmyjouji
1:50:30 - Onimusha & Mage
1:54:10 - Sky surfer & Totemist
1:57:15 - Weapon master & Shadowcaster
2:00:40 - Battle angel & macaron guard/hollyberry
2:03:50 - Pudding princess/pure vanilla & Puppeteer
2:06:10 - AC Units
2:11:35 - Indra & Dokkaebi lord
2:15:22 - Twin Angels & Final - เกม
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Thank you so much for this it’s so hard pulling ld 5 and kinda being lost on where to use it so thanks sooooo much
Great tier list as always. Very helpful!
A "missconception" i often hear about craka is that you want her to be 100% critrate. You don't! and heres why --> What is often forgotten about her loaded S2 is that it does'nt just strip it actually Steals buffs. so if you steal a 1 turn immunity or invis. or whatever and get a turn instantly you pretty much wasted that buff and are vulnerable again. have mine on about 50. You still cicle but you get to keep those precious buffs
hmmm fair point never thought of that!
Christ mines on 100% crit despair lol
then you do not know how to use her properly if you say that.....
Thanks a lot my friend
I have Tian Lang and got him very early. And I still would put him in 100 but not for the same reasons. He is really good in Pve for Labyrinth with his 44% Hp lead and can really help with some TAOH stages like the artamiel ones for exemple. You can have better options later for that content but he is definitely helping a lot if you get him in early game.
In PvP however, he isvery good but very situational, because he doesn't just help your team, he can also counter it and because of that, he requires to be very flexible with your other units.
For exemple, my only "good" arena speed leader is Tomoe, and using Tian Lang with her makes her an almost useless unit, so people with proper speed leads will still outspeed me.
Compared to the 2 others 100, he doesn't provides consistency either, as he have a 40% chance strip, he can and trust me he often will miss everything. But on the other side, from the opponent pov, who whould coin flip his offense based on tian lang missing his debuffs?? no one.
He requires a lot to be used as his full potential, but still one of the most interresting and fun to use unit in the game in my opinion.
Great video ^^
(and don't build him despair, his weakness is his strip chance, not he cc, if you picked him in rta or any other content it's because he is usefull so he is gonna cycle, so more chances to get violents proc and S2 and more strips, stunts)
with the right combo, most units can ranked higher ppl often forget that.... vs some comps dark vanila craka Dark Indra and amber are invincible, can add maxi or light panda to the mix :)
You did mention Ella for toa, but it's really crazy how good she is for toa hell. I use her on almost all my teams when I clear it - the amount of utility she brings is pretty much unmatched. Her ranking is pretty accurate though in my opinion. She's hard to use in RTA, often better in the draft than in the game.
However in 2v2 she is a litteral god. Having that many units you can reset and (almost certainly) give a turn is so massive. I can not think of a stronger unit in 2v2 than her
Can I ask more about how/where you use ella and who you'd use her with??? I've had her for like 9 months and she is my first and only LD5 but I haven't used her a single time because it's hard for me to wrap my head around how to use her since I want to use her like I do riley but she has only 1 heal and no cleanse.
watching this after pulling the light pudding princess recently and just being reaffirmed that she's garbage is always nice, her s3 even punishes you for using it on a living ally with 2 extra cooldown turns when its not even that good, id rather use a ganymede (i will give it some credit however, its immune to cooldown increase so it can be used against oliver)
Can you do a video about ld 3 and 4 star Tier list where u briefly talk about the useful units ? Would be really helpful
Curious where you think Liliana could work on siege offence, especially in G3. I can't see any situation where you wouldn't just take another unit such as Poseidon, CP, or even Zaiross.
Veromos is like your favorite condiment that you love to put in every food you eat. Out of my 6 LND nat 5 he's the most useful.
thanks seii for the video.
Ritsu can be nice in RTA against juno racuni comps since he steals their turns, also bruiser build better, since he now has the threat state. But I feel he needs too much of every stat, so a guaranteed land on s3 would make him balanced so that he doesn't need max acc
yea agree
Jaara is great for siege offense since he gets instant new turn if he kills on S2. Galleon Tiana Jaara is an amazing siege offense, it means 2 kills with no revive options.
agree!
This aged poorly 😭
Afternoon, just wondering where you would put N1X in this list. He seems to mainly be just RTA. Great content and thanks!
I dont have bolverk so I occasionally run pontos laima amber dark homunculus with either light string or jamire and they never touch in those toa hell stages with those absurd missions.
I think you didn’t talk about narshas usability in early dungeons she is great to use in place of Loren in dragons when you are transitioning away from the super safe teams
as a talisman owner i can confirm that he is probably one of the if not the best dd in the game. leo lucifer gemini talisman is probably just as strong as the eludia version since gemini wont trigger abellio passives or anything similar. if you dont have lucifer (which i assume most ppl dont) i used to run chiwu bernard/eshir luer/truffle/liesel talisman. i have some other techs vs tl defs and stuff but dont wanna leak every off. you can also just run tiana light espresso (Recent hoh) psama/deborah talisman
yea for that reason Talisman is for sure in my top 10 most wanted
What are your att and cd stats on talisman? I own him but dont really use him
@@jesee8866 +2400 atk +248 SPD 70 Cr 198 cd
great list, I do use zerath in my r5 team
Very nice Tier list ❤
Strange that I'm making basically the same comment here: you can use Artamiel and Fermion paired with Feng and Amelia :D
I don't know why but I won't be so upset if I would pull an Artamiel. Maybe because I don't play rta.
Leo Feng Alyah Artamiel is a solid arena offense.
Also got hanwul but he needs insane runes I tried him in Tiana ao with his brother CP but then he hits like 30-35k.. I got dova and gemini and leo so I could try that one
One build I saw someone used for Shun in RTA is Swift for speedy snipe. The logic is that shun got enough dmg to one shot squishies and usually they are not built with resistance too.
isn't sonia better ?
@@ttibaramser1608 sonia does snipe better, but easier to ban against compared to shun since most player already know what sonia is capable of. Shun on the other hand, is lesser known and lesser people would expect him on swift nuke build.
Nice list, I do think my hanwol does enough damage to use with tiana team. Problem is just galleon defbreak but thats most tiana teams sadly.
My only ld5 is the Light Indra. I use him in PVE content. Mostly Auto TOA and Lab.
As someone who uses manananan in c3 rta, yeah I wish I just had talisman or a buff to his passive
I use oberon in regular arena offense for the atk lead, usually pair him with shizuka nicki and federica to dunk on tanky ad teams. Things like karnal/vanessa/wind monkey+ abellio tiana manon riley etc tend to fold to it.
for sure not a bad team, but also somewhat slow
I have Isis and have been saying for a while that she needs a buff, but everyone always tells me that she's OP already. I pretty much only use her in ToA. She's been the key to my first ToAHard full-auto 1-99 team (Isis, Rica, Verad, Loren, Fran, which I've upgraded with Cadiz instead of Loren).
I'm not a big fan of the fact that Isis' S2 is a single target strip+sleep, but I understand that they can't really go and change it too much either without impacting the other Desert Queens (like Hathor). But the S3 would need to have a guaranteed Oblivion. I'd still like the Silence on there, but that could stay as a regular roll.
agree, her s2 feels not really fitting her kit
For toa hard i think there are faster options than isis.
Isis is used in AO, toa hell and rta force ban/counter-pick.
She's balanced, not that op/broken as people think, just in the right draft.
Also isis is not buff priority at the moment.
Yes, i am a isis owner and i have way worse units than isis (maya/vancliffe)
@@gdfusca6667 for ToAHard, did I say fast? I said it was a safe full auto. If I wanted fast, I wouldn't run a heal, although Isis with Nora/Rica and Amber is part of a faster team I run partially nowadays.
@@gdfusca6667 For info, I used to run the Isis, Verad, Rica, Loren/Cadiz, Fran team back when we didn't have x10 ToA runs and I didn't want to go and change/adapt my team. It was just a safe team that would work throughout 1-99, no matter what it was going against, in full auto.
Nowadays, I use a Kro/Raoq team to go through ToA1-100, then run it up until ToAH30 or so. Then I switch to something like Isis, Rica, Amber, Nora, 2ASath, which works well up until ToAH70 or so (rune quality problem mostly, except for boss levels where damage is lacking a bit, but it's still a relatively fast team for waves).
Then from ToAH70+, I run Isis, Verad, Rica, Cadiz, Fran, which is safe up to ToAH100, where I run a basic Fran, 2ASpectra, Verad, Cadiz, Loren just so I can do the ToA boss fight fairly fast and easily.
When I have the patience to go through ToAHell, I need to adapt to every level anyway, but Isis is a godsend there obviously. Still, she's a ToA Queen, and that's pretty much all she's of use to me, along with some Laby levels. Otherwise she never really worked for me in RTA (mostly because 2 turns of Oblivion+Silence isn't doing much when they can be resisted, and the other team still has access to violent runes to get out of it. Attack bar manipulation is often more effective.
I did have plans to make an AO team with Isis a couple years ago, but the meta never really worked in its favor. I wanted to do something like Isis, Tiana, Hellea (or Scarlett), Pungbaek.
while i kind of agree that she needs a buff of some sort,
i still use her in ao with tiana galleon akha (wind ifrit) against tanky defs,
which makes clearing alot of passive based defs really easy (unless the acc res check decides to give you a hard time)
Nice tierlist! I have Thebae and he's not the only one that can put branding aoe :c theres a few units like fire black tea bunny or the indras :/ ... RIP my ld5 :') if com2us adds better IA to him tu spam his 3rd skill at least he could be good in PvE
oh yea true, rip even more
Leo, Lucifer, Raoq is a fun offense as well.
Thanks for adding f2p units! I appreciate it. My only two other ld5s are isis and zeratu and they only get used for siege and toah, respectively.
Seiishizo last video: "I've never seen Wind Indra before in my life, i don't know what it does"
Seiishizo this video: "Debae is the only aoe branding unit in the game"
Lol checks out
very fair point X'D maybe aoe brand is just shit, since neither of them are good
Goat content by the 🐐
came back to the game a few weeks ago after many years, finally got my 1st ld5; the light pudding princess; not the giga op ld5 i was always dreaming of sadge
ouch :< lets hope for buff!
Talisman works with asima aswell :) Because i dont have tiana i have to use chiwu anyway so its not that bad that i cant use nephtys :D but i can speed clearing in rush hour :D
yea super strong combo as well!
Leona is my only ld :'( still waiting for a buff... Honestly even if she just became immune to def break, which seems in keeping with her theme, I'd be happy so she at least could be better in siege offence.
Where would the Witcher units place?
the big three on top as always
just got nicki at second acc, now need time to build farming rune team :V
what a long long grinding has been restart after 8 years...
Asima deserves the 95 as she's probably the most consistent def breaker in the game after nephtys. Using her in arena against Nyx, Molly and all that stuff. Having her on 47 acc (+21acc s3 in artefacts so 68) is definitely enough to never miss a defbreak. She's extremely versatile as to what way you want to use her. CD Slot 4 to clear Slime King waves, Laby Stages and Toa/h stages on her own in seconds. Or even spd atk atk/hp on add dmg artefacts to avoid triggering abellios in arena while providing some fluff dmg for your dmg dealer (in my case hanwul, which makes cleaving extremely fun). As a beginner she might even help out clearing dungeon waves faster and giving a setup for your veromos or spectra. I would even make a case for 100, but I got no clue how she would perform in g3 rta. In my eyes on the broad spectrum of everything in the game Asima is extremely easy to rune and her usability is probably top 3 in this list. Out of my 8 Ld5s she's the only one I'm making a case for.
All in all this list is pretty much bang on and extremely helpful. Gave me some inspirations for future teams and builds. Thanks for that and don't mind my article (the literal love letter) about asima😅
What are your others lds ?
No way. She is an 85. This is a rating for ALL content. She can't do any elemental rifts except fire. Can't do ANY abyss dungeons. Sucks in R5. She sucks in a lot of PvE content now.
Great content. Could you do an ld4 tier list aswell at some point?
well 90% is Hoh tier, so it gets a bit boring haha
@@SeiishizoYeah true.
Afternoon just wondering where you would put N1X on this list h seems to be for just RTA. Great content and thanks!
not sure yet, haven't seen him being used that much.
I think the fact Asima cannot do any abyss related content would actually bring her down to 85 for sure. She isn't even very good for elemental rifts, R5, etc. Honestly, she just isn't as versatile as a lot of people think.
Edit: I'm wrong about this, she can 100% do Abyss hard speed teams
hello sensei seii , just wanna ask about TL and jackson, are they good combo in rta? or does tl reduce jacksons atk bar passive to half ? thank you
not a great combo, but if Jackson hardcounters the enemy it's good to use both.
ty sensei
sensei is lucifer thebae good for arena offence? im thinking luci leo lushen thebae
I just got fermion. How would you build him and who would pair him with in siege offense? I didnt understand if you said a Leo or a Leah. and who is Leah?
leo fermion aliyah or fermion aliyah feng
very informative
too bad I only have 3 LD5 and 2 are farmable xD
thanks for the tier list anyway
I have hanwul and am like C1-C2 and he is not even close to being this good to deal enough dmg, i am like always just best off using kaki and his s3 multiplier is like the same as Jeogun, for some reason, i think he could take some buffs, he just feels kinda underwhelming, if you dont have G3 runes
Very nice list and thanks for your effort 👍👍 On the other hand i would say that light cookie bs is not even close to lydia or dark nora... That sht should be in Meme or garbage section..
agree she is even lower haha
Trinity gets used in my AO with Triana, galleon, and swift zairos. Psama works just as well if not better but hey this one is shiny
yea if i had one i'd do the same, its just worth to use the shiny units :D
Just spend 1k on scrols and got giana and sonia, worth or no?
i have Wedjat and kiki and SZL, i love playing kiki in RTA but i don't find a good team for her do you have any ideas pls ? (And she is in vio with hp%, atk% and speed but i think she doesn't have enough hp so i don't know if it's better if she more hp but less atk)
kiki is mainly a last pick if enemy have no immunity no cleanse
I have herteit and Craig was debating if I could build a siege def with both of them in, just wondering what a good third could be or am I just completely aiming too high 😂
i think you need some anti cleave to make it work, and only thing that comes to mind is triana then. Also in that team i'd put high dmg to craig, people might not expect that. yet a light golem will make your team fall probably
I use artemial as a seige def with feng lead and aailyah that's about it
I got Tian Lang from a wish, very rare though. I don't know how to use him, or rune him. I am a bit early, what you recommend me?
reset your account stay away from this life sucking game
i use my akroma in my ad with nyx, fire totem and kinki xD
Did I miss the light paladin placement?
Love using Laima with Odin and Bastet for siege off :D never lost until now
Daniel is also quite good in toa hell for a fast clear
fair point!
Hi, which LD5 is the best for begginer for PVE content for a LD only account ? Thx
tian lang is the best for beginner
definitely lucifer, or asima, the guy that said tian lang is smokin
What will happened if u used Mookwol skill3(threat state) plus Shizuka S3? Will each member of your team receive threat state? Who will the enemy attack first?
if all 4units have threat state you can choose which unit you want to hit. aka everything a threat, nothing a threat.
however it becomes interesting moment you start hitting something. after 2 single target hits that 1 unit wont have threat state anymore and you have to switch targets. so if you can't kill in 2 hits. you need to perform 6 (3x2) single target hits elsewhere before you can hit your initial target again.
@@Seiishizo oh I see, thanks. Have u tried Saint Seiya Awakening: KOTZ? It's like this but better skills, many synergies & more. Sacred duel mode is better cause all skills are awaken & max level. But u can only open this & PVP mode at level 20. U can find & read saints/gods skills at saint codex.
@@Seiishizo I want an english reviewer vids like this & I think u'll get more new viewers & invite viewers to download it. It's fun battle. I still don't understand others saints skill. It's so complex.
I just got the dark ninja and it was would crushing it wasn't first LD Nat 5!
Just pulled Sigrid (Dark Mercenary Queen) and I don't see her in this list :(
As a ten-year loyal player, having only one LD5* Zeratu makes me feel sad😢 How would you advise to buff it to make it more competitive in RTA?
Its really hard to rune. Lack of survivability, low spd base, not powerful enough… To achieve 100% cri, theres a lot to sacrifice 😟
making him guarantee crit if he has higher attack than the enemy or something
I said it last video but now its official. Occult GIrl family got 485/500 potential ranking points.
haha yea, oracles for sure got overthrown by OG's being best family in the game. even after a global s1 nerf
RIP after 10 years on and off this game my one and only ld5 Maya 😂😂😂😂😂 thanks com2us
What about light paladin?
I finally got 2 ld5 end of last year after 7 years of playing. both (Veronica, Yeonhong) are very good in rta and only in rta...... i never play rta 😞
7 years of playing or you’re in the game for 7 years not the same because if you are you certainly can be good in Rta.
7 years of daily playing. Every event. guild content. Arena. All except rta
@@mirkobaumbach8182 fair enough may next ld5 be an arena / guild content unit
About Isis.... I want the other S2 please
Which LD5 except for Asima / Lucifer ist the best for PVE Content?
zerath.
I wouldn't say Ragdoll is useless in pve. He's carrying me in PC abyss hard (team is not optimal ofc but xtals are burning so what's the point nowadays)
fair point haha
Owner of 2 LD 5 which is Shan and Sigrid
Maybe if com2us finally gives wolyung a unique third skill then she will be decent. Right now, her third skill is the worst in the sky dancer family.
What is a good rta draft for Juliane?
Vanessa comps
vanessa first pick yea + jullieane + counterpicks
i have wolyung, jager and jackson. Of course, i don't do rta.
Which monsters to pair with pontos on arena defense?
camillas amduat etc, kinda can work with anything. you can check the ultimate def guide video for ideas :)
imagine you guys have l&d bene and get choice between nephtys and nicky, who would you get ? and Why ?? Who's the funiest between these 2 godess for you
kinda depends on your playstyle, but i'd probably take neph because i play all content in the game and she's used for all content in the game
i did 41 reroll and got Belzebu, grogen, Giselle and benedict, which acc should I choose?
the one you like the units the most :P
My only ld5 is Craka,and i m ok with that🤝
link to the showcase for YH siege offense please?
twitter.com/megane_Summoner/status/1707234935424373143
@@Seiishizo Thank you.
55 lydia...lydia owner here and i would def say shes nt 55 and heres my take on her.. ever saw a nana jeogun lydia siege/wgb offense ? also i cleaved barion with lydia and kept the replay as a trophy.. if built right, she does wat she supposed to do, 1 tap with s2 ggwp
Thank you I will try this. Is she elsewhere secretly good?
@@crunkd well i got my first g1 arena finish using vanessa lydia antares +1 which i forgot but it must've been a fast stripper like triton or clara, or amduat could work.. Its really hard to have the right balance of stats for her, 2x nem will with high hp, atk and cdmg.. Lucky if u get around 80 cr too but her s2 is guarantee crit if no buffs hence y u NEED the stripper.. Other than that shes situationally op in rta if u anticipated the draft properly vs 1shot comps or cleavers with no strip.
The ratings of my 3 LD5's in this tier list are 65, 60, and 55. :(
Anyone know where to find the yeonhong lusha (light war bear) conrad team video?
twitter.com/megane_Summoner/status/1707234935424373143
thank you!!!@@Seiishizo
woonsa a guaranteed boost? with 118 speed? hell no. we use eshir with his 115. i am not giving a stripper with 118 spd atk bar boost like that.
Viva should be swift and probably not will if she is moving next after Leo. If not you probably already lost.
And I still got cut some how. I took a light barb Leo and viva (327 speed) into a seara raoq theo team and Leo attacked raoq, viva switched the leo's hp and atkbar, light barb attack raoq and then some how the Seara stole the turn from Leo and Leo is always one shot.
cool so my one LD5 is bottom 3 :D
Nice tier list, the links for reddit are wrong
let me double check
broo can u read meee, can any yutuber make tierlist for rta and guild content like siege?
seanB just did :P
Dark Monkey King Buff: Round 6 Incoming
Make the stun 100% 😈
haha don't think so tbh. i already fully gave up on this unit 3 buffs ago
Agree with artamiel. Game mascot but so weak and not useable, they should change the mascot to maxi haha
Glad to be the owner of one of the 3 55 😭
ouch
pov lydia is the first and only ld5 i have. likely wont be getting another as well
Its Manannan = man - annan, people always say one more "an" in there.
Trinity buff when?
So when i was playing i had 2 Lnd nat5s.... Both on the 60 tier fml 😢
I can tell there is a better unit as asima für beginner: Have her twice.
I wanna combine nephtys maximillian asima and eludia xd
don't think they are the best of combinations since vero+juno counter 3/4 of those units
where altair? D:
Lol, the only ld I have is the one you rightly said is trash.... pure vanilla cookie
The fall of ragdoll. i just got him lol
currently he's on the rise again. as most picked ld5 in pretty much any rta rank
@@Seiishizo Great to head that. Thank you
Lucifer is fucking sss+ tier list rta or pve
what if artamiel gets 'resist to inability effect' buff, will it be too OP?
probably yes. stun is his biggest weakness. if he were to get something like the xingzhe buff to get more atb on being hit while stunned then he would be a nice buff thats "fair" i think.