Sadly his dad fell down the rabbit hole and slowly became one of the blood sucking leeches. I bought techno merch and my email is connected to their website. I get at least one promotional email about another techno merch drop. I know it’s hard for techno’s family, and funds for their own stuff, but milking it out of oblivion for the past few years is absurd. Techno will always be my favorite creator of all time. I hope he’s at peace. Sorry for the rant 😅
@@iscrampad2194 Uhhhh some of the merch proceeds go to the Sarcoma Foundation, selling and releasing merchandise after death was Technoblade's idea, his family has given no indication that they need more funds and I'd imagine they are plenty well off due to the insane amount of income the TH-cam channel has and still continues to produce. Let me know if there's anything I'm missing, but calling the selling of merchandise for charity "blood sucking leeches" (again, when it was endorsed by Technoblade) seems pretty disingenuous, but lmk if I'm not seeing something.
It's funny because... Dream was mentioned in passing during some drama that didn't even involve him and he showed how he can redirect the drama to himself by using a slur, get heat for it, then cry about people calling him out for using a slur he promised he'd never use, then slink away. People who do stuff like that and think they're an angel baffle me.
I expected Dream to crash out cause of all the shit talking over stuff that happened years ago and Tommy making pedo jokes about Dream. And now Im seeing Tubbo saying Dream paid off the accusers. Dream should have crashed out in a better way. This is next level of stupidity.
Agreed, I dont condene using the r slur in any way but the UK group pretty much should have seen it coming considering they've been milking Dream even before the drama.
Also If I remember correctly with the mizfk thing wasn’t Tommy like 17, like even if Tommy was being socially awkward, He was a teen who was thrusted into internet fame. I would be pretty socially awkward Edit: I want to say that I don’t think Tommy was being an ass but if he was I imagine that probably contributed to it Also I believe Tommy has said in the past that he has struggled with social anxiety. Don’t quote me on that tho
I'll go neutral on this drama, on one hand, Dream should've have sparked the drama and just moved on in his life, on the other, Tommy also made insensitive jokes on dream back then, how he portrayed him in his youtubers in real life skit (too lazy to find the exact title) and as I have read through the comments, made edgy jokes about dream being a pedo Dream isn't on the right mindset really, especially after countless years of false accusations and bullying but that doesn't excuse him of making drama out of nothing whilst Tommy shouldn't have made fun of dream in a way that is offensive as not everyone can take his jokes lightly There's alot of miscommunications here and there and we shouldn't take sides or atleast blow this drama out of proportions
Dream has been shit talking Tommy and Jack manifold on Twitter too over the past couple years. Also he really and truly, dream exploited Tommy back when he was younger. He's talked about it recently its actually just. Eugh.
Tommy was also a kid back then, he has shown he has grown and learned over the years (I’m mean just watch his newest video addressing the drama). Dream has been an adult four years ago and today yet he still continues to act like this.
@@chloeeig he was also being greatly taken advantage of and, if you watched his video, being treated incredibly poorly by dream behind the scenes. he was 16 and dream was a fully grown adult. yes he wasn't 5, but acting like he is the aggressor in a situation where he was actively involved in a power inbalanced relationship with an adult as a teenager is just wild.
If I'm being completely honest (and I know I'll get some hate for saying this), at this moment in time it seems like whenever ANYTHING even remotely negative comes out about Dream, people are immediately gonna assume he is the main culprit. Also, while I'll also admit this is childish behavior, remember that KSI is still bitching about DanTDM.
i do agree with that, i’ve always thought that people unfairly judged him, but this feels so different to the rest of the things and feels like an over step for me
@@Brandonwashere3103 Well considering that it's an on/ off I wouldn't really say it's over but calmed down at least. Now the Nick eh 30 situation on the other hand...
No cause why did literally everything fall apart when techno passed 💀💀💀 Its really strange to think about how they were able to hold onto the mask that long b4 immediately showing their true self once techno went
Quite basically everyone is too grown to act the way they are, especially with their huge platforms. Its immature on everyone's account, also those saying "Techno kept things together" is annoying, let the man rest (coming from a big techno fan). Also if things were kept together than Tommy and Jack wouldn't be all on dream, nor feel the animosity they felt then and now. But also calling out Dream and slandering his name on public tweets and podcasts is a low blow, and don't expect to play victim when he claps back with a response. To summarize everything, let the egos and pettiness go.
@ did I say Tommy was the victim? I no way shape or form, did I mention Tommy being the victim. You assume “he” is Tommy, when he can be taken into account for everyone.
@@warriorsunn7344 I agree so much considering its genuinely getting annoying in my opinion that Tubbo's streaming this, Dream's making a new response and just the overall fact that this isnt being communicated privately because it really doesnt need to be public, if anything its fairly obvious that Tommy is milking this for profit.
On one hand Tommy shouldn't have made those jokes, some people aren't the best with those type of jokes, but on the other hand dreams should have just stayed out of that because it wasn't his drama and he was getting involved for no reason
i am not defending dream, but bro has had enough. The whole internet made fun of his face, calling him multiple horrible slurs, WE laughed. Dream had enough man. And it was our fault.
I used to be kinda neutral about dream but ever since he made that tweet about Tommy and his fam base I’m really starting to change my mind about that, and not positively. Tommy’s a nice guy in my opinion and his response to what Dream said was probably the most mature and best way he could have responded and gone about it. Why do people gotta pick fights with him just because he stated an opinion, like I just don’t get it. Tommy’s got enough things going on in his life regarding the internet and his personal life, give the guy a break fr. Leave him alone, like please (this is my opinion)
This is so funny cuz tommy literally has been mentioning dream since last year and making stuff up about him constantly. Even jack admits they are bullying dream. But of course the moment dream responds he becomes the problem 😒
@@coralcored Jack did NOT admit on bullying dream, stop taking things out of context. He said "...I mean I understand if we were bullying him but we weren't." there, that's what he said. Dream also called all DSMP fans and tommyinnit stans a slur, he's a known misogynistic, even Ludwig showed proof of it. There's a reason why 10+ creators dropped Dream.
@AlienTimeBoyz Jack and tubbo BOTH said they stir the pod and continuously makes jokes about him lol stop being so dvmb 💀 "There's a reason creators dropped him" is not the defense you think it is as if there isn't a rumor mill running in that friend group
@@coralcored They made jokes about him because that's how they cope??? Have you ever been with an abuse survivor??? Not only that, but you are literally defending someone who admitted he didn't do anything when adults (his friends) sent porn on the official discord server with minors present.
@AlienTimeBoyz did you not listen to tubbo when he said he doesn't blame dream for it cuz he wasn't present??? Man your bias is making you so blind to even comprehend this subject. Also dream is a victim of abuse. "They make jokes to cope" holy sht if those jokes are harmful and effecting others then its not a card you can play
To be honest, tommy seems like the most immature person here, thats trying to be mature. He talks bad about mizkif? Of course mizkif is gonna respond, who wouldnt. Xqc and dream joining is stupid but unlike xqc, i can understand dream doing what he did. From his perspective its only fair, people called him slurs and tommy lowkey throws shade at dream multiple times, while dream for a while hasnt said anything. And yet all i see is, “wow tommyinnit is so mature” like he technically started this 😭
Okay yes that is true, but Tommy took responsibility and dream just calls his viewers a slur. Tommy even said that the difference of Tommy and Dream is that Tommy takes responsibility. Also making fun of his mom after a divorce is never okay. This is why Technoblade shouldn't have died 😭
@@Iampixel56 yeah, to me both sides have reasons. All i know is that dream texted tommys mom because tommy either wouldnt listen or ignore dream. Which was still very weird on dreams part. And im pretty sure dream wouldnt know that tommys parents were going through a divorce since its a family matter. To be honest, i can see what you mean by tommy growing as a person, which is true, but he doesnt really let anything go, especially if its dream related. I just think we can all agree dream and tommy could’ve handled it wayyy better instead of both being immature
Wow, I couldn't believe, Dream, Tommy and xQc all at the same time fell of THIS badly to get into drama over such trivial things. Man some people never grow up.
How come everyone is empathetic towards Tommy's introverted demeanor (understandable) but can't understand that Dream grew up as an ill-respected kid, finally receiving success and enjoying it? But of course, everyone has to be slandering Dream because he was unfortunate enough to experience more false accusations than Tommy. If you're gonna talk, make sure you're not a bigoted hothead first.
girl maybe its because during the whole dsmp era Tommy was literally a kid while dream was a full grown adult. Dream does not deserve to be babied at his big age 😭😭
Well the major reason is because people just don't like Dream and nothing is able to change that as it's been persistent through his online career. And the other hand is that people think Dream let the fame get to his head while Tommy was able to step back and remain humble. It basically just is that people haven't liked Dream and have never changed because they haven't had any reason to, while Tommy at the start they didn't like cause he was an annoying kid, they watched grow up, change, and mature(if only a little) so they may have changed their opinions. Because Dream was faceless and had to take so much time away because of the allegations, Dream was never given a chance to show that he changed or that he changed in a good way and therefore never gave the masses a reason to change.
I don’t think the blame for him being a shitty person should be shifted to mental disorders when he himself is shitty to people with mental disorders tbh
@@bearzinluvzxd yea for sure. i didnt mean it seriously, i was just referring to how dream will tweet something only to delete it minutes/hours later, as if he has a split personality posting for him lol
Man its been ages since I've seen these two, almost forgot they existed. I feel like i wanna be neutral on this but I'm leaning more towards dreams side So when tommy makes jabs at dream for being a pdfile and makes insensitive jokes after before and after the time of his allegations everyone looks the other way because "its dream" But when dream makes a joke about tommy/fans he's burned at a stake? Does no one remember when Nicolas Cantu spouted the r slur at dream and everyone turned a blind eye "because its dream" tommy can shoot all these shots at dream and have no repercussions because he has a clean record, a clean slate. But because dream has a trail of controversy following him no matter where he goes he has to be on his best behavior online meaning he cant say whatever he wants back to the creators that took jabs at him? again, *because its dream.*
honestly these points are the most realistic i've seen- and im making a bet, dream is gonna have a the truth v2 where he explains everything that happened with the members behind the scenes
Considering that the British group has a history of literally mentioning Dream every chance they get for the slightest bit of clout its no surprise Dream is gonna crash out. Its the fact that Tommy has literally admitted to shitting on Dream for a reaction too, I dont like that Dream used the r slur but putting Tommy on a pedastal for being a pos as well is down right stupid considering that his fans are all about "hold your cc accountable" and then turn a blind eye to Tommy joking about literal rape and being childish at his grown age. Edit: Yes I am acknowledging the fact that Tommy is also a narcisstic pos for clarity deal with it💀
@@freniisammiiDefending Dream? The guy doesn’t defend him anywhere in this entire comment. He’s calling out Tommy’s sh*tty behavior. I mean, Tommy’s practically admitted that he’s been doing this against Dream just to get a reaction out of him. If you’re going to call out Dream for his sh*tty behavior, call out Tommy’s as well. Both are in the wrong.
As a diagnosed person with autism, being a person with autism does not give you the right to call people the r-slur, or using autism as an excuse for your actions. Thank you very much. :)0
He didn’t. He thought he could say it since he technically can reclaim the word. He has since apologized in his latest stream, which also shows Tommy’s sh*tty behavior behind the scenes. He didn’t excuse his behavior.
@@treehouseoffun1242 For one, he can't "technically reclaim it". Secondly he didn't even reclaim it, he used it in the same derogatory way. Plus I was a fan of him 4 yrs ago when he said "he would never use it again" so that apology clearly wasn't genuine...
As a gay person who reclaims the f slur, being "gay" isnt the "excuse" for me saying the word. Its the fundamental reason I say it. If I werent gay I wouldnt have a reason to say the word lmfao Does that mean other people outside of me might not like the word? sure. Does that mean I speak for all queer people? no. You shouldn't speak for all neurodivergent people either.
I’m going to be honest here. Tommy brings up dream every few months. Like dude let it go. As for dream is very weird but I will say he has been trying to change for the better. I do respect that like people are allowed to change and I will always respect that. I think the hate dream gets now a days is just unfair. Like being accused of the most horrible things is probably a hard thing for anyone. Like i actually feel bad for the man.
Tommy brings up dream often because dream stans keep blaming him (Tommy) for everything. He's just trying to show how much of a BAD person dream is. Meanwhile dream called both him and his whole fanbase the r slur while Tommy (this time) didn't even mention him 💀
Didnt tommy brought up dream because dream made an attempt to make a edgy joke to jab on tommy? But honestly if dream keeps on dissing tommy, best thing tommy should do is just ignore it.
Dream has not been trying to change for the better. He acts like the same man he was four years ago. Tommy is the one that has changed significantly in my opinion, I mean just look at his newest video addressing the drama.
Dream: problematic, went through numerous serious accusations & provided atleast enough proof that he was innocent GeorgeNotFound: went through serious accusations last year provided proof prior to denying the accusations even tho he’s done similar actions to Karl & SapNap SapNap: a bully, always looking for shit to start with someone BadBoyHalo: went through serious false accusations prior to Jikishi being permanently removed from the SMP QuackityHQ: idk WilburSoot: went through serious accusations from his ex who’s apparently overly kind & sweet which is her level of manipulation TommyInnit: fell into a level of fame & money at an age he shouldn’t have been when he got invited to the SMP by a grown man while Tommy was only a minor extremely weird Technoblade: RIP 🕊️ Karl Jacobs: allegations no one is talking about when he was being a weirdo with MrBeast & Kris back in the day on MrBeast’s discord server
@@ninny_alt yea it popped up in my mind yet everyone wants to sit there & say tommy is a joke to the SMP last time i checked dream invited him to join his SMP when he was a minor? he wasn’t even close to an adult yet everyone else in the server was an adult at the time the SMP was created
Idk why people are so mad at dream as if they weren’t for N Cantu constantly throwing slurs at him. Tommy and Jack talk so much about dream and he does once and now they’re all mad? Lmao I don’t understand
well for reference cantu was 1. drunk (legal drinking age in the us is 21 and he was 18 in the clip) 2. has a personality disorder and was literally going through a manic episode in that video 3 has adhd 4 is lgbtq. 5. dream held on to that video for over a YEAR just to use it as leverage against cantu. also; dream called tom’s fans (a group of people) the r slur. dreams also said he wasn’t going to use that word again (granted; a few years ago) and then in a reddit comment started weaponizing his neurodivergence. here’s another little fact for you; dream messaged tom’s mom just to complain about tom. i’d be rightfully pissed at a guy i met who was 20 when i was 16 who messaged my mom just to complain about me. and the reason everyone is dogging on dream because every time something like this happens he victimizes himself though he’s in the wrong and people eat it up every time.
its bizarre how Technoblade ended up being the only fully drama-less and normal, sane, person of this group [Dream, Tommy, Quackity, Techno, Jack, George, etc], everyone either had crazy allegations, crazy secrets or weird behavior.... its just sad, it makes me sad.... im sad 😔
nah that’s Dream he literally harassed Tommy’s mother as she was going through a divorce and also threw Wilbur (who was his friend) under the bus during the whole Wilbur allegations drama
@warriorrealm9864 Dream getting into controversy in the past doesn't excuse Tommy's behavior towards him and doesn't make what Dream is saying in his stream vod untrue. I looked at both sides and watched what I could and came to the informed conclusion that Tommy is obviously lying to make himself look like a victim to farm sympathy. If Dream really was entirely in the wrong in this discussion then I would hold him accountable for it and say the same shit. That he would be playing victim to farm sympathy. But that just isn't what's happening. Put your bias aside and stop viewing this discussion as a "Dream stan mindset vs Inniter mindset" thing because it's not and it shouldn't be. I don't even watch Dream anymore because while I believe he didn't do anything to deserve this treatment he is very reckless and immature with how he handles this type of stuff and it pisses me off.
@@warriorrealm9864 If youre gonna play the dream stan card atleast dont move the goalposts from "allegation" to "umm actually it doesn't matter if its true because dream gets in more drama". This is why I cant side with yall the irrational hate to these people who I couldnt care less about is so damn fallacious.
im not understanding why people are upset rn. he made valid points about the whole "r slur" thing. besides the fact that he said he wouldn't use it again of course
Yes, Tommy made mistakes, and him being a teen doesnt excuse the jokes he made, but he DID apologize in his video titled “Dream”. Dream is 100% in the wrong here.
He's 100% in the wrong for defending himself against the false allegations Tommy has been spreading about him for year's? Minus the tweet of course that shit was gross and is not the way to start this discussion at all. This isn't just about what Tommy has done in the past it's what he's doing in the present too. Even in the exact video you're mentioning he lied about Dream harassing his mom during her time of divorce. In Dreams vod he showed that he just was sharing his perspective about an ongoing discussion she was having with his community over how messed up Tommy's depiction of him was in the dream vs quackity skit he did. He was nothing but respectful towards her and Tommy's blowing out of proportion to victimize himself. He, Jack and his whole friend group have done nothing but spread false rhetoric about Dream for months. They're not the innocent party here. The only innocent party who's negatively affected by all this is the fans.
dream really forgot that the SMP ended and he doesn't have to act like a controlling manipulative asshole that has to always have power over everyone else 😭😭 there's no secret lair or pandora's vault Dream, you can calm it down now 😭😭
Tommy is the only loser here. You only really used your opinion, but that's ok, because this is a video based on opinion, but still Dream had sense in that second reddit post. Tommy overreacted to a joke that Dream didn't even create. Also, Tommy was just kind of being a jerk.
most arguments on twitter is the gravity falls baby fights gif. i feel as if twitter would be a way better place if people just ignored criticism against them. if someone criticizes another, the person who got criticized should just drop it and not respond, because if they do respond its gonna end up like how most arguments on twitter are, stupid.
Real, i don't understand people siding with dream on this because yes we know tommy and jack talk shit about him all the time yes it gets annoying, but dream did not have to double down and make it way worse than it is but thats a typical dream move im not shocked
@@ninny_altThey’re probably siding with him because, admittedly, his anger is warranted. He’s taken way too much bullsh*t from Tommy and his friends, it makes sense he’d eventually snap back. Now, I don’t think he should’ve said the slur. I get why he did say it, he explains so himself, but he still shouldn’t have said it so it’s understandable but not justifiable. From what we know of, Tommy and his friends have no reason to be, basically, cyber bullies. They drop hints of behind the scenes behavior but Dream has shown more of what’s going on beyond the scenes than anyone against him has.
In my opinion I am on Dream's side, the jokes that Tommyinnit made about Dream seem stupid to me, call someone a groomer? really? It's simply stupid, when the information was not even confirmed, the same with Quackity, deciding to distance themselves from Dream was a bit of a hasty action since in the end everything was denied and later they had more problems because of the qsmp and usmp, something quite silly, Tommy is literally immature, but I imagine it is because of his age and that is why he is like that, I hope that at some point he can understand that what he did is wrong, and obviously some parts of what he did Dream did were wrong, for example the Tweet (the image in response/meme) I don't defend that but I don't think it's all Dream's fault, I repeat, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying that they have to give it importance but in summary Tommy It's quite immature at times, people distanced themselves because of something stupid
Im not parasocial with these MC youtubers cause the OG's were better, but when did Tommy call him a groomer? I'm pre sure he just isolated himself and leaved it at that. Jack Manifold said he never liked Dream and Tommy agreed. That's pre much it. Dream made a situation that wasn't about him about himself. Sure I agree twitter is stupid but all Tommy said about Mizkif was in a jokingly matter and Emiru even agreed with Tommy's side when MIzkif asked her what happened. Tommy just seems like he makes light out of stuff and makes it satirical which made XQC and Dream look stupid imo.
@@shrapt3528 Hi, I don't know if I'm the right person to answer this, but I'll do it anyway. My first language is Spanish, so if there are any errors in the translation, let me know. As I understand it, Tommy made some jokes saying that Dream was a groomer. back in time when they were friends they got along super well and then tommy brought up something about knowing dream and that he is a weirdo for talking to someone younger is weird, like, why would he say something like that to the person who literally helped him grow a lot, it's very hypocritical of him, he laughed at things and said that what Jack said was true, and it also seems disrespectful to me since Dream did several things for Tommy for him to go and tell him that Dream is a weirdo for talking to a minor (referring to himself)
Quackity did nothing wrong to Dream imo. Dream was making a huge excessive public fuss about not hearing a response from Quackity and I would be weirded tf out too over that twtlonger good on him
@@ninny_alt I didn't say that Quackity did anything wrong, I'm just saying that it was a pretty immature act on his part, AND I REPEAT, it's my opinion
dude nah dream's crash out has been coming for a while. tommy mentions him nonstop and never stopped the pedo jokes despite it contributing to his family getting doxxed and swatted. tommy's entire friend group is an echo chamber
To me it seams like dream is blame shifting/ manipulating everyone for his own bendefits behind the scene and then for time to time we see the real dream trough twitter and this is one of thugs times
Welp, after his most recent stream, I don’t think that’s the case. The guy’s practically being dogpiled by his previous friends for, seemingly, no reason. He has quite the reason to be mad. Not to say the R-slur but definitely a reason to be mad.
Bro he's been made fun of for years, them saying shi bout him and calling him a groomer/pdf-file all this time, and when dream does one thing he gets shit on and dragged to mud it's all right and he's the bad guy? I know it's your opinion but dream addressed everything on stream today and you might wanna watch that to clear up some things forming in your mind.
another thing that’s disturbing is the SMP started to fall off right when Jikishi was invited & when he got removed from the SMP for grooming 41 fans that was the start of the collapse of the SMP
To be honest if it weren't for DSMP i wouldn't know Tommy Tubbo wilbur or any UK streamer i only know philza and at the early stage of DSMP where UK is not added yet it was fine. Pretty sure DSMP also made their followers very high. They already ended the DSMP in a good way and now they're bringing it up again because of a Drama. Damn
Yo jaylin honest first time watching opinion, ur nothing more nor better than the rest of the TH-camrs making content for their opinions on shit yall ain’t got clearance to speak on. We all should know and shit talk less abt one another. Ur just another meat rider who comes off as coping with offense instead of brutally honest. Keeping it the realest yo
people hate dream for no fking reason, they make up things and he needs to deel with it, like bro, just cause u dont like somebody doesnt mean to fuck up they're entire fking carrière. I love old dream, he was so innocent, but people drag him into shit and he needs to wipe it all up, which, at a surten moment gets annoying and then people hate him for absolutely no fking reason
The issue is, people don't hate him for no reason. He gave ALOT of people reasons how he behaved on twitter in the past. The continuous dramas also don't help. I think he has some points and people are unfair to him however he's damaged his own reputation alot himself🤷🏼 to say there is no reason to hate him is just a lie. Also contradicting your own statements on the use of slurs makes ALOT of people do a 180🙏
@@Jackolalive swearing at people is certainly not the solution. He did fuck up his reputation at some point, I just miss the old dream, the man behind the mask who was an god in manhunt 😞😞
out of blatant curiosity what do you mean by enabling them? 🥲 i feel like the minors didn’t do anything at the time so i’m confused, but i also wasn’t around for the start of the server
@@gelatoruntz4200 i agree, as much as the groomer jokes tommy made were fucked up on his behalf, it is very weird in retrospective how he let some random small streamers on knowing they were minors. i dont think he read much into it at the time but i wouldn't have
Think it might’ve been how he was dressed, usually people when they meet someone in such a power position you dress formally to show respect, while xQc was dressed like a high schooler.
To be honest tommy was at fault. Tommy randomly clowned on mizkif, he said it himself that mizkif did nothing wrong. But ofcourse dream is also wrong. He was never tommy's friend to begin with
This makes me so upset. Everyone went from untied and bestfriends, to middle school drama type deal that divides everyone. Just... Bring us back to 2021 😭
What’s annoying is the dream smp wouldn’t be popular without Tommy and other creators, if dream wasn’t on the smp it would be better ngl dream made it worse and added nothing
Not really. He’s explained why he though he could say the slur, apologized for it anyways, and exposed Tommy’s sh*tty behavior behind the scenes. He’s honestly gotten better than he was before.
Over 13,000 views, and the video's only been up for 14 hours. Somehow it's gotten more hits in less than a day than most of your videos have received in total for many months! I don't know how you did it, but keep it up! I get MAJOR second-hand happiness when things work out for you! 🥰
I’m glad I am not so invested with these people anymore… I don’t know if I find this situation mostly funny or sad. To me it’s funny because I used to watch them a lot and there’s always this lingering thought of “oh they’re just joking! They do not seriously mean it.” Which is funny in itself because I believed some jokes can also hold some truths- But it’s also saddening to see them arguing (at least for Dream and Tommy) I used to love their bantering(?) and I thought they were a funny brotherly duo. For the longest time I thought they were still friends even if other fans kept pointing out Tommy didn’t like Dream anymore- I just thought they were laughing at everyone picking apart their words and they were still friends ‘behind the scenes’ My perception of joking is a mess but maybe it’s just a coping mechanism now 😂 Anyways, I also found this funny because the next two videos I see after this is Tommy’s and Tubbo’s videos with Dream in their title… Oh well- I don’t follow many (if any tbh) cc anymore and up until now I forgot how stressful and saddening it is with these arguments. Why did my curiosity on Twitter win once again when I decided to check out what everyone was talking about nowadays? I wouldn’t be here reminiscing oops 🙊
I should say that I expected Dream to be a diet SkyDoesMinecraft but to be honest, his actions are his, and Adam’s are Adam’s. Both of them have proven themselves to be attention-seeking people with a habit of being creepy, predatory, and borderline abusive (actually abusive in Adam’s case).
is it just me or did mizkif lose his mind in anger and took out all his emotions on tommy just bcz he got embarassed about what tommy said about him xD. like ive been told to my face that i seem like a very rude person but i never let my ego get in the way of my reply, its actually pretty funny and i dont see how someone can have so much anger over it unless they are insecure(nothing wrong with being insecure but being a good person and insecure means u dont call the so called hater a thing back)
saying "he seemed rude" is different thank saying "hes the worst person I met I hated him the first time I saw him for no reason." like, thats not being insecure. Tommy literally insulted his entire character for no reason and admired that. like thats pretty hurtful when someone says you're the worst person ever and spreads that over the internet after you were literally just standing there
Great. Now do the same thing with Dream's recent respond to this matter. React and comment on it. If you want to give your opinion about something, be fair and listen to the other side as well.
Seriously, this is why i stopped watching dream smp after it ended. I was never a dream fan but after seeing the tweet he posted of him using the r slur. That is disgusting man. I am disabled and it pains me to see that the r slur has come back. Grow up and be respectful. On a different note, I think that the shambles that is the dream smp shows that you never truly know someone until they show their true colours.
Dream try to be a normal and mentally stable person challenge (impossible)
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Love how ppl are only singling out only dream
@KNA31_3Ong
just ignore tommy being horrible
What did Tommy do?
It seems techno really was better in every way…
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Fr, one of a kind 🕊️
Sadly his dad fell down the rabbit hole and slowly became one of the blood sucking leeches. I bought techno merch and my email is connected to their website. I get at least one promotional email about another techno merch drop. I know it’s hard for techno’s family, and funds for their own stuff, but milking it out of oblivion for the past few years is absurd.
Techno will always be my favorite creator of all time. I hope he’s at peace. Sorry for the rant 😅
@@iscrampad2194 damn that sucks
@@iscrampad2194 Uhhhh some of the merch proceeds go to the Sarcoma Foundation, selling and releasing merchandise after death was Technoblade's idea, his family has given no indication that they need more funds and I'd imagine they are plenty well off due to the insane amount of income the TH-cam channel has and still continues to produce. Let me know if there's anything I'm missing, but calling the selling of merchandise for charity "blood sucking leeches" (again, when it was endorsed by Technoblade) seems pretty disingenuous, but lmk if I'm not seeing something.
technoblade ❤ was the only reason i was watching dream smp
Fr I literally only watched him ❤
@heroplayz1235
I meant I only wanted dream smp when techno did a stream I never wanted anyone else's stream
technoblade and slimecicle(/quackity) were rlly the only ones I watched or cared about
fr
Didnt watch smp but rip tenchoblade
It's funny because... Dream was mentioned in passing during some drama that didn't even involve him and he showed how he can redirect the drama to himself by using a slur, get heat for it, then cry about people calling him out for using a slur he promised he'd never use, then slink away. People who do stuff like that and think they're an angel baffle me.
But you can’t say that because he’s also getting into something that he has no business getting in to
i mean he did say they were harassing him or something so idk
@@chloeeig he says that about every single person who has ever had any sort of criticism towards him. he is a perpetual victim
@ didn't say he's innocent either but clearly stuff happened that's making everyone a cry baby
@@chloeeigHe should just deleted his twitter at this point or paid team to manage his twitter. He fumbling too hard.
I expected Dream to crash out cause of all the shit talking over stuff that happened years ago and Tommy making pedo jokes about Dream. And now Im seeing Tubbo saying Dream paid off the accusers. Dream should have crashed out in a better way. This is next level of stupidity.
Agreed, I dont condene using the r slur in any way but the UK group pretty much should have seen it coming considering they've been milking Dream even before the drama.
tubbo saying dream paid off the accusers is actually insane behavior though
@ might as well say that Kwite paid off his accuser too then tf.
Bro wth is the r slur, am I slow😭😭
@@Everyonegobrrrestarted people (disabled people)
Also If I remember correctly with the mizfk thing wasn’t Tommy like 17, like even if Tommy was being socially awkward, He was a teen who was thrusted into internet fame. I would be pretty socially awkward
Edit:
I want to say that I don’t think Tommy was being an ass but if he was I imagine that probably contributed to it
Also I believe Tommy has said in the past that he has struggled with social anxiety.
Don’t quote me on that tho
Its a three-year difference
It was a segment about the worst person they met this year so he was 20. I’m pretty sure it was at twitch con
he did also say he was tired so he was probs grumpy and just couldn't be assed w anyone talkin to him
I'll go neutral on this drama, on one hand, Dream should've have sparked the drama and just moved on in his life, on the other, Tommy also made insensitive jokes on dream back then, how he portrayed him in his youtubers in real life skit (too lazy to find the exact title) and as I have read through the comments, made edgy jokes about dream being a pedo
Dream isn't on the right mindset really, especially after countless years of false accusations and bullying but that doesn't excuse him of making drama out of nothing whilst Tommy shouldn't have made fun of dream in a way that is offensive as not everyone can take his jokes lightly
There's alot of miscommunications here and there and we shouldn't take sides or atleast blow this drama out of proportions
Dream has been shit talking Tommy and Jack manifold on Twitter too over the past couple years. Also he really and truly, dream exploited Tommy back when he was younger. He's talked about it recently its actually just. Eugh.
Tommy was also a kid back then, he has shown he has grown and learned over the years (I’m mean just watch his newest video addressing the drama). Dream has been an adult four years ago and today yet he still continues to act like this.
its not even a back then thing last time tommy made a insensitive joke on dream was only a few months ago
@@lucid5017no matter age he still did it, he wasn't 5 so he has awareness
@@chloeeig he was also being greatly taken advantage of and, if you watched his video, being treated incredibly poorly by dream behind the scenes. he was 16 and dream was a fully grown adult. yes he wasn't 5, but acting like he is the aggressor in a situation where he was actively involved in a power inbalanced relationship with an adult as a teenager is just wild.
Xqc: 🤡
Dream: 🤡
Tommy: 🤡
Dream stans: 🤡
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Dsmp creators: 🤡
The Internet: 🤡
You: 🤡
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the only true conclusion 🗣
literally facts.
the fact that we're even here rn and feeding into this MiNeCrAfT cReAtOr drama bullshit screams pathetic.
If I'm being completely honest (and I know I'll get some hate for saying this), at this moment in time it seems like whenever ANYTHING even remotely negative comes out about Dream, people are immediately gonna assume he is the main culprit. Also, while I'll also admit this is childish behavior, remember that KSI is still bitching about DanTDM.
i do agree with that, i’ve always thought that people unfairly judged him, but this feels so different to the rest of the things and feels like an over step for me
I cant lie KSI has stopped that now so its kinda invalid to say that.
@@Brandonwashere3103 Well considering that it's an on/ off I wouldn't really say it's over but calmed down at least. Now the Nick eh 30 situation on the other hand...
Dream did nothing wrong people are just dramatic and cry babies
@bionicmiller9387 Mate he isn't innocent, but I'm not saying he's full on guilty.
tecnno was like the stabilizer
No cause why did literally everything fall apart when techno passed 💀💀💀
Its really strange to think about how they were able to hold onto the mask that long b4 immediately showing their true self once techno went
@EJ_XD that's exactly what stabilisers do lol, once you take them out everything goes to hell
Quite basically everyone is too grown to act the way they are, especially with their huge platforms. Its immature on everyone's account, also those saying "Techno kept things together" is annoying, let the man rest (coming from a big techno fan). Also if things were kept together than Tommy and Jack wouldn't be all on dream, nor feel the animosity they felt then and now. But also calling out Dream and slandering his name on public tweets and podcasts is a low blow, and don't expect to play victim when he claps back with a response. To summarize everything, let the egos and pettiness go.
How and where is Tommy "playing the victim" here? Bro's replies were pretty chill honestly (especially compared to Dream)
@ did I say Tommy was the victim? I no way shape or form, did I mention Tommy being the victim. You assume “he” is Tommy, when he can be taken into account for everyone.
completely agree w this comment
@@warriorsunn7344 I agree so much considering its genuinely getting annoying in my opinion that Tubbo's streaming this, Dream's making a new response and just the overall fact that this isnt being communicated privately because it really doesnt need to be public, if anything its fairly obvious that Tommy is milking this for profit.
@ agreed, especially with Tommy attacking a lot of content creators recently
On one hand Tommy shouldn't have made those jokes, some people aren't the best with those type of jokes, but on the other hand dreams should have just stayed out of that because it wasn't his drama and he was getting involved for no reason
dreams a big boy he can handle a joke, anyone the age of 30 and below should know the internet
@username.exenotfound2943 some people may be like 40 but they act like they're five, people have different mental ages
i am not defending dream, but bro has had enough. The whole internet made fun of his face, calling him multiple horrible slurs, WE laughed. Dream had enough man. And it was our fault.
It's not gonna end well...
That still doesn't justify how horrible he's acting now. If he really did have enough he would probably stay on low profile on the internet
@@px776 And Tommy? Did he do that?
@@px776 what's so horrible that dream has done?
I used to be kinda neutral about dream but ever since he made that tweet about Tommy and his fam base I’m really starting to change my mind about that, and not positively. Tommy’s a nice guy in my opinion and his response to what Dream said was probably the most mature and best way he could have responded and gone about it. Why do people gotta pick fights with him just because he stated an opinion, like I just don’t get it. Tommy’s got enough things going on in his life regarding the internet and his personal life, give the guy a break fr. Leave him alone, like please (this is my opinion)
This is so funny cuz tommy literally has been mentioning dream since last year and making stuff up about him constantly. Even jack admits they are bullying dream. But of course the moment dream responds he becomes the problem 😒
@@coralcored Jack did NOT admit on bullying dream, stop taking things out of context. He said "...I mean I understand if we were bullying him but we weren't." there, that's what he said. Dream also called all DSMP fans and tommyinnit stans a slur, he's a known misogynistic, even Ludwig showed proof of it. There's a reason why 10+ creators dropped Dream.
@AlienTimeBoyz Jack and tubbo BOTH said they stir the pod and continuously makes jokes about him lol stop being so dvmb 💀
"There's a reason creators dropped him" is not the defense you think it is as if there isn't a rumor mill running in that friend group
@@coralcored They made jokes about him because that's how they cope??? Have you ever been with an abuse survivor??? Not only that, but you are literally defending someone who admitted he didn't do anything when adults (his friends) sent porn on the official discord server with minors present.
@AlienTimeBoyz did you not listen to tubbo when he said he doesn't blame dream for it cuz he wasn't present??? Man your bias is making you so blind to even comprehend this subject.
Also dream is a victim of abuse. "They make jokes to cope" holy sht if those jokes are harmful and effecting others then its not a card you can play
To be honest, tommy seems like the most immature person here, thats trying to be mature. He talks bad about mizkif? Of course mizkif is gonna respond, who wouldnt. Xqc and dream joining is stupid but unlike xqc, i can understand dream doing what he did. From his perspective its only fair, people called him slurs and tommy lowkey throws shade at dream multiple times, while dream for a while hasnt said anything. And yet all i see is, “wow tommyinnit is so mature” like he technically started this 😭
EXACTLY!!!!
No so ur saying he should have stayed quiet that's bs@@Ender_Bird_
Okay yes that is true, but Tommy took responsibility and dream just calls his viewers a slur. Tommy even said that the difference of Tommy and Dream is that Tommy takes responsibility. Also making fun of his mom after a divorce is never okay. This is why Technoblade shouldn't have died 😭
@@Iampixel56 yeah, to me both sides have reasons. All i know is that dream texted tommys mom because tommy either wouldnt listen or ignore dream. Which was still very weird on dreams part. And im pretty sure dream wouldnt know that tommys parents were going through a divorce since its a family matter. To be honest, i can see what you mean by tommy growing as a person, which is true, but he doesnt really let anything go, especially if its dream related. I just think we can all agree dream and tommy could’ve handled it wayyy better instead of both being immature
@@vosco1699 definitely. but I still think Tommy was trying his best to be mature as he took action of his immatureness
Wow, I couldn't believe, Dream, Tommy and xQc all at the same time fell of THIS badly to get into drama over such trivial things. Man some people never grow up.
n mizkif as it really just started bc of Tommy’s jokily (as Jack stated) opinion about him
I hardly call that trivial
@@masochistz ye him too
@thatboredaroace dude it started over two socially awkward man childs not even being able to make small talk ☠️
@@OzzN_ it was a podcast where an honest opinion was stated, someone took offense to said statement and that's how it started.
The way they just mentioned Dream like he was the main reason of everything
How come everyone is empathetic towards Tommy's introverted demeanor (understandable) but can't understand that Dream grew up as an ill-respected kid, finally receiving success and enjoying it? But of course, everyone has to be slandering Dream because he was unfortunate enough to experience more false accusations than Tommy. If you're gonna talk, make sure you're not a bigoted hothead first.
dream had a reasonable crashout
girl maybe its because during the whole dsmp era Tommy was literally a kid while dream was a full grown adult. Dream does not deserve to be babied at his big age 😭😭
Well the major reason is because people just don't like Dream and nothing is able to change that as it's been persistent through his online career. And the other hand is that people think Dream let the fame get to his head while Tommy was able to step back and remain humble. It basically just is that people haven't liked Dream and have never changed because they haven't had any reason to, while Tommy at the start they didn't like cause he was an annoying kid, they watched grow up, change, and mature(if only a little) so they may have changed their opinions. Because Dream was faceless and had to take so much time away because of the allegations, Dream was never given a chance to show that he changed or that he changed in a good way and therefore never gave the masses a reason to change.
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Ill-respected kid? Wasn’t Dream an adult throughout the entire four years of the DSMP? 😭
dream MUST have a split personality disorder because wth is he doing....
I don’t think the blame for him being a shitty person should be shifted to mental disorders when he himself is shitty to people with mental disorders tbh
@@bearzinluvzxd yea for sure. i didnt mean it seriously, i was just referring to how dream will tweet something only to delete it minutes/hours later, as if he has a split personality posting for him lol
I think Dream is right except for the slur, Dream should talk about people using the slur against him instead of becoming like them.
Man its been ages since I've seen these two, almost forgot they existed.
I feel like i wanna be neutral on this but I'm leaning more towards dreams side
So when tommy makes jabs at dream for being a pdfile and makes insensitive jokes after before and after the time of his allegations everyone looks the other way because "its dream"
But when dream makes a joke about tommy/fans he's burned at a stake?
Does no one remember when Nicolas Cantu spouted the r slur at dream and everyone turned a blind eye "because its dream"
tommy can shoot all these shots at dream and have no repercussions because he has a clean record, a clean slate. But because dream has a trail of controversy following him no matter where he goes he has to be on his best behavior online meaning he cant say whatever he wants back to the creators that took jabs at him? again, *because its dream.*
Yep 👍
honestly these points are the most realistic i've seen- and im making a bet, dream is gonna have a the truth v2 where he explains everything that happened with the members behind the scenes
Considering that the British group has a history of literally mentioning Dream every chance they get for the slightest bit of clout its no surprise Dream is gonna crash out. Its the fact that Tommy has literally admitted to shitting on Dream for a reaction too, I dont like that Dream used the r slur but putting Tommy on a pedastal for being a pos as well is down right stupid considering that his fans are all about "hold your cc accountable" and then turn a blind eye to Tommy joking about literal rape and being childish at his grown age.
Edit: Yes I am acknowledging the fact that Tommy is also a narcisstic pos for clarity deal with it💀
average dream consumer
@@Jogn02 Can you read?💀 I literally stated that I didnt condone Dream's behaviour genius.
@@afellowfriend754 doesn't justify the mental gymnastics you're using to defend dream bruh 😭 just clean up after your done with it
@@freniisammiihuh they just said they dont support what he did .. thats yall prob yall think evb has to pick a side. grow up.
@@freniisammiiDefending Dream? The guy doesn’t defend him anywhere in this entire comment. He’s calling out Tommy’s sh*tty behavior. I mean, Tommy’s practically admitted that he’s been doing this against Dream just to get a reaction out of him. If you’re going to call out Dream for his sh*tty behavior, call out Tommy’s as well. Both are in the wrong.
how to avoid drama: avoid twitter
Step 1:Leave Twitter
Step 2:Leave internet
Step 3:Study well
Step 4:Sleep forever and never wake up
Video starts at 3:48 if you're already caught up on everything that happened in the past
As a diagnosed person with autism, being a person with autism does not give you the right to call people the r-slur, or using autism as an excuse for your actions. Thank you very much. :)0
He didn’t. He thought he could say it since he technically can reclaim the word. He has since apologized in his latest stream, which also shows Tommy’s sh*tty behavior behind the scenes. He didn’t excuse his behavior.
@@treehouseoffun1242 For one, he can't "technically reclaim it". Secondly he didn't even reclaim it, he used it in the same derogatory way. Plus I was a fan of him 4 yrs ago when he said "he would never use it again" so that apology clearly wasn't genuine...
As a gay person who reclaims the f slur, being "gay" isnt the "excuse" for me saying the word.
Its the fundamental reason I say it.
If I werent gay I wouldnt have a reason to say the word lmfao
Does that mean other people outside of me might not like the word? sure.
Does that mean I speak for all queer people? no.
You shouldn't speak for all neurodivergent people either.
I’m going to be honest here. Tommy brings up dream every few months. Like dude let it go. As for dream is very weird but I will say he has been trying to change for the better. I do respect that like people are allowed to change and I will always respect that. I think the hate dream gets now a days is just unfair. Like being accused of the most horrible things is probably a hard thing for anyone. Like i actually feel bad for the man.
Tommy brings up dream often because dream stans keep blaming him (Tommy) for everything. He's just trying to show how much of a BAD person dream is. Meanwhile dream called both him and his whole fanbase the r slur while Tommy (this time) didn't even mention him 💀
@@AlienTimeBoyzYea but Tommy’s fan does the same
Didnt tommy brought up dream because dream made an attempt to make a edgy joke to jab on tommy? But honestly if dream keeps on dissing tommy, best thing tommy should do is just ignore it.
Dream has not been trying to change for the better. He acts like the same man he was four years ago. Tommy is the one that has changed significantly in my opinion, I mean just look at his newest video addressing the drama.
@@AmJustMaiko yea but is basically the same type of stuff him and jack do I don’t think dreams completely innocent but Tommy and jack provoked him
2:02 Fam I'm bloomin bawling my eyes out 😭😭
fr😂
They should just sit down, apologise, and have a chat about why technoblade was the greatest Minecraft player alive 🗿🗿🗿
Dream: problematic, went through numerous serious accusations & provided atleast enough proof that he was innocent
GeorgeNotFound: went through serious accusations last year provided proof prior to denying the accusations even tho he’s done similar actions to Karl & SapNap
SapNap: a bully, always looking for shit to start with someone
BadBoyHalo: went through serious false accusations prior to Jikishi being permanently removed from the SMP
QuackityHQ: idk
WilburSoot: went through serious accusations from his ex who’s apparently overly kind & sweet which is her level of manipulation
TommyInnit: fell into a level of fame & money at an age he shouldn’t have been when he got invited to the SMP by a grown man while Tommy was only a minor extremely weird
Technoblade: RIP 🕊️
Karl Jacobs: allegations no one is talking about when he was being a weirdo with MrBeast & Kris back in the day on MrBeast’s discord server
Jschlatt: just chillin’
@ forgot about them thx
thank you for seeing tommy's side of this because looking back it is very weird
@@ninny_alt yea it popped up in my mind yet everyone wants to sit there & say tommy is a joke to the SMP last time i checked dream invited him to join his SMP when he was a minor? he wasn’t even close to an adult yet everyone else in the server was an adult at the time the SMP was created
Idk why people are so mad at dream as if they weren’t for N Cantu constantly throwing slurs at him. Tommy and Jack talk so much about dream and he does once and now they’re all mad? Lmao I don’t understand
fr bro
Like deadass everyone does shit, but as soon as dream says anything at all, he’s the worst person in the world? Pisses me off😭
@urluvdbb907 Frr WHY THEY HATE JUST DREAM, HES AN ANGEL
People just pick and choose
well for reference cantu was 1. drunk (legal drinking age in the us is 21 and he was 18 in the clip) 2. has a personality disorder and was literally going through a manic episode in that video 3 has adhd 4 is lgbtq. 5. dream held on to that video for over a YEAR just to use it as leverage against cantu.
also; dream called tom’s fans (a group of people) the r slur. dreams also said he wasn’t going to use that word again (granted; a few years ago) and then in a reddit comment started weaponizing his neurodivergence.
here’s another little fact for you; dream messaged tom’s mom just to complain about tom. i’d be rightfully pissed at a guy i met who was 20 when i was 16 who messaged my mom just to complain about me.
and the reason everyone is dogging on dream because every time something like this happens he victimizes himself though he’s in the wrong and people eat it up every time.
its bizarre how Technoblade ended up being the only fully drama-less and normal, sane, person of this group [Dream, Tommy, Quackity, Techno, Jack, George, etc], everyone either had crazy allegations, crazy secrets or weird behavior.... its just sad, it makes me sad.... im sad 😔
I think tommy just gets in random drama for the dumbest shit.
nah that’s Dream he literally harassed Tommy’s mother as she was going through a divorce and also threw Wilbur (who was his friend) under the bus during the whole Wilbur allegations drama
@@warriorrealm9864 You clearly didn't watch Dreams vod. He literally disproved that shit before Tommy made it up.
@ yep I was bound to be confronted by a Dream Stan which btw Dream has brought himself into more controversy than Tommy by a lot
@warriorrealm9864 Dream getting into controversy in the past doesn't excuse Tommy's behavior towards him and doesn't make what Dream is saying in his stream vod untrue. I looked at both sides and watched what I could and came to the informed conclusion that Tommy is obviously lying to make himself look like a victim to farm sympathy. If Dream really was entirely in the wrong in this discussion then I would hold him accountable for it and say the same shit. That he would be playing victim to farm sympathy. But that just isn't what's happening. Put your bias aside and stop viewing this discussion as a "Dream stan mindset vs Inniter mindset" thing because it's not and it shouldn't be. I don't even watch Dream anymore because while I believe he didn't do anything to deserve this treatment he is very reckless and immature with how he handles this type of stuff and it pisses me off.
@@warriorrealm9864 If youre gonna play the dream stan card atleast dont move the goalposts from "allegation" to "umm actually it doesn't matter if its true because dream gets in more drama".
This is why I cant side with yall the irrational hate to these people who I couldnt care less about is so damn fallacious.
This is honestly really sad. The DreamSMP used to be all the rage. To see what it’s become, including all the MrBeast hate, the truth hurts
Dream is so unbelievably internet illiterate
Yea but atleast he dosent mention Tommy every second unlike Tommy and his friends
@Lumantrix one of the biggest Minecraft TH-cam advertises himself😮
tubbo definitely didn’t watch dream’s debunking allegations video lmao
cuz hes like 4 years old
After living through the Team Crafted days of TH-cam is wasn’t even surprising to see this happen😭
im not understanding why people are upset rn. he made valid points about the whole "r slur" thing. besides the fact that he said he wouldn't use it again of course
the fact that this all circled back to the old tommy and dream beef is crazy
Yes, Tommy made mistakes, and him being a teen doesnt excuse the jokes he made, but he DID apologize in his video titled “Dream”. Dream is 100% in the wrong here.
He's 100% in the wrong for defending himself against the false allegations Tommy has been spreading about him for year's? Minus the tweet of course that shit was gross and is not the way to start this discussion at all. This isn't just about what Tommy has done in the past it's what he's doing in the present too. Even in the exact video you're mentioning he lied about Dream harassing his mom during her time of divorce. In Dreams vod he showed that he just was sharing his perspective about an ongoing discussion she was having with his community over how messed up Tommy's depiction of him was in the dream vs quackity skit he did. He was nothing but respectful towards her and Tommy's blowing out of proportion to victimize himself. He, Jack and his whole friend group have done nothing but spread false rhetoric about Dream for months. They're not the innocent party here. The only innocent party who's negatively affected by all this is the fans.
dream really forgot that the SMP ended and he doesn't have to act like a controlling manipulative asshole that has to always have power over everyone else 😭😭 there's no secret lair or pandora's vault Dream, you can calm it down now 😭😭
Dream is like the Taylor swift of TH-cam 💀
Why cant we all just be friendly people and learn to de-escalate things
i love how the vanosscrew is still standing strong after what 12 years and the dream SMP friends are turning against eachother after like 4 years
Besides like two people of course
(Cough Mini and Ohm cough)
Tommy is the only loser here. You only really used your opinion, but that's ok, because this is a video based on opinion, but still Dream had sense in that second reddit post. Tommy overreacted to a joke that Dream didn't even create. Also, Tommy was just kind of being a jerk.
most arguments on twitter is the gravity falls baby fights gif. i feel as if twitter would be a way better place if people just ignored criticism against them. if someone criticizes another, the person who got criticized should just drop it and not respond, because if they do respond its gonna end up like how most arguments on twitter are, stupid.
Real, i don't understand people siding with dream on this because yes we know tommy and jack talk shit about him all the time yes it gets annoying, but dream did not have to double down and make it way worse than it is but thats a typical dream move im not shocked
@@ninny_altThey’re probably siding with him because, admittedly, his anger is warranted. He’s taken way too much bullsh*t from Tommy and his friends, it makes sense he’d eventually snap back. Now, I don’t think he should’ve said the slur. I get why he did say it, he explains so himself, but he still shouldn’t have said it so it’s understandable but not justifiable. From what we know of, Tommy and his friends have no reason to be, basically, cyber bullies. They drop hints of behind the scenes behavior but Dream has shown more of what’s going on beyond the scenes than anyone against him has.
6:01 growing up? Tommy is taking the most sensible route and leaving these people behind. It’s dream who’s going down the toxic route
I swear, what is wrong with the internet nowdays? 🙏
I SPEED RAN BEING A MENTALLY STABLE PERSON! - next dream video
In my opinion I am on Dream's side, the jokes that Tommyinnit made about Dream seem stupid to me, call someone a groomer? really? It's simply stupid, when the information was not even confirmed, the same with Quackity, deciding to distance themselves from Dream was a bit of a hasty action since in the end everything was denied and later they had more problems because of the qsmp and usmp, something quite silly, Tommy is literally immature, but I imagine it is because of his age and that is why he is like that, I hope that at some point he can understand that what he did is wrong, and obviously some parts of what he did Dream did were wrong, for example the Tweet (the image in response/meme) I don't defend that but I don't think it's all Dream's fault, I repeat, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying that they have to give it importance but in summary Tommy It's quite immature at times, people distanced themselves because of something stupid
good video btw
Im not parasocial with these MC youtubers cause the OG's were better, but when did Tommy call him a groomer? I'm pre sure he just isolated himself and leaved it at that. Jack Manifold said he never liked Dream and Tommy agreed. That's pre much it. Dream made a situation that wasn't about him about himself. Sure I agree twitter is stupid but all Tommy said about Mizkif was in a jokingly matter and Emiru even agreed with Tommy's side when MIzkif asked her what happened. Tommy just seems like he makes light out of stuff and makes it satirical which made XQC and Dream look stupid imo.
@@shrapt3528 Hi, I don't know if I'm the right person to answer this, but I'll do it anyway. My first language is Spanish, so if there are any errors in the translation, let me know. As I understand it, Tommy made some jokes saying that Dream was a groomer. back in time when they were friends they got along super well and then tommy brought up something about knowing dream and that he is a weirdo for talking to someone younger is weird, like, why would he say something like that to the person who literally helped him grow a lot, it's very hypocritical of him, he laughed at things and said that what Jack said was true, and it also seems disrespectful to me since Dream did several things for Tommy for him to go and tell him that Dream is a weirdo for talking to a minor (referring to himself)
Quackity did nothing wrong to Dream imo. Dream was making a huge excessive public fuss about not hearing a response from Quackity and I would be weirded tf out too over that twtlonger good on him
@@ninny_alt I didn't say that Quackity did anything wrong, I'm just saying that it was a pretty immature act on his part, AND I REPEAT, it's my opinion
dude nah dream's crash out has been coming for a while. tommy mentions him nonstop and never stopped the pedo jokes despite it contributing to his family getting doxxed and swatted. tommy's entire friend group is an echo chamber
tommyinnit is also an bad person lol - got to look at both sides
Dream and Tommy have been going at it since 2020 there was almost always grief between them
To me it seams like dream is blame shifting/ manipulating everyone for his own bendefits behind the scene and then for time to time we see the real dream trough twitter and this is one of thugs times
Welp, after his most recent stream, I don’t think that’s the case. The guy’s practically being dogpiled by his previous friends for, seemingly, no reason. He has quite the reason to be mad. Not to say the R-slur but definitely a reason to be mad.
Bro he's been made fun of for years, them saying shi bout him and calling him a groomer/pdf-file all this time, and when dream does one thing he gets shit on and dragged to mud it's all right and he's the bad guy? I know it's your opinion but dream addressed everything on stream today and you might wanna watch that to clear up some things forming in your mind.
another thing that’s disturbing is the SMP started to fall off right when Jikishi was invited & when he got removed from the SMP for grooming 41 fans that was the start of the collapse of the SMP
Huge news for the unemployed 😭💔
Real
@@JalynCommentaryThe OG WessJet has returned
To be honest if it weren't for DSMP i wouldn't know Tommy Tubbo wilbur or any UK streamer i only know philza and at the early stage of DSMP where UK is not added yet it was fine. Pretty sure DSMP also made their followers very high.
They already ended the DSMP in a good way and now they're bringing it up again because of a Drama.
Damn
Yo jaylin honest first time watching opinion, ur nothing more nor better than the rest of the TH-camrs making content for their opinions on shit yall ain’t got clearance to speak on. We all should know and shit talk less abt one another. Ur just another meat rider who comes off as coping with offense instead of brutally honest. Keeping it the realest yo
people hate dream for no fking reason, they make up things and he needs to deel with it, like bro, just cause u dont like somebody doesnt mean to fuck up they're entire fking carrière. I love old dream, he was so innocent, but people drag him into shit and he needs to wipe it all up, which, at a surten moment gets annoying and then people hate him for absolutely no fking reason
The issue is, people don't hate him for no reason. He gave ALOT of people reasons how he behaved on twitter in the past. The continuous dramas also don't help. I think he has some points and people are unfair to him however he's damaged his own reputation alot himself🤷🏼
to say there is no reason to hate him is just a lie. Also contradicting your own statements on the use of slurs makes ALOT of people do a 180🙏
@@Jackolalive swearing at people is certainly not the solution. He did fuck up his reputation at some point, I just miss the old dream, the man behind the mask who was an god in manhunt 😞😞
pretty disturbing that dream enabled minors in his SMP tommyinnit was one of them at the time
that sure is a way to say it
out of blatant curiosity what do you mean by enabling them? 🥲 i feel like the minors didn’t do anything at the time so i’m confused, but i also wasn’t around for the start of the server
@ re-read what i said pls
@@muffin._.milk. he allowed minors in his group which is not appropriate imo considering everyone else was 18 or older at the time
@@gelatoruntz4200 i agree, as much as the groomer jokes tommy made were fucked up on his behalf, it is very weird in retrospective how he let some random small streamers on knowing they were minors. i dont think he read much into it at the time but i wouldn't have
8:20 tbh the irony of what u said is funny too
This video did not age well
Didn’t this guy quit TH-cam why is bro back again
2:11 massive?
Ya know what else is massive?
LOWWW TEMPER FAAADEEE
LOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
How is xQc weird for shaking a former presidents fan?
Kids dude,
It wasn't just that. XQC is a known red pill trump supporter. Like many of these guys on Kick. He's friends with Adin Ross.
Think it might’ve been how he was dressed, usually people when they meet someone in such a power position you dress formally to show respect, while xQc was dressed like a high schooler.
We should have left dream behind in 2021.
2021? Man it feels like yesterday
To be honest tommy was at fault. Tommy randomly clowned on mizkif, he said it himself that mizkif did nothing wrong. But ofcourse dream is also wrong. He was never tommy's friend to begin with
Dream fell off just like like jalyn
massive day for the unemployed
so it starts
This makes me so upset. Everyone went from untied and bestfriends, to middle school drama type deal that divides everyone. Just... Bring us back to 2021 😭
What’s annoying is the dream smp wouldn’t be popular without Tommy and other creators, if dream wasn’t on the smp it would be better ngl dream made it worse and added nothing
Techno was the glue of the dream smp
Technoblade and Tommy is the reason I watched DSMP😢
The dream smp was only good when technoblade was a part of it.
R.I.P techno, absolute legend😭
Dream went down a um dark path-
Not really. He’s explained why he though he could say the slur, apologized for it anyways, and exposed Tommy’s sh*tty behavior behind the scenes. He’s honestly gotten better than he was before.
Literally 99% of TH-cam controversies can be solved with media training. If dream was media trained, most of this drama would never have happened.
No way yall give a shit about this stuff grow up
“I was making absolute bank off this bs” props to you for being honest 😂😂
Your parkour attempts made me sad
Dont be a dream
5th grade grammer teacher:ERMM ACTUALLY☝️🤓
Honestly I feel like the “R” word has been overused and used so lightly that it feels like nobody cares or acknowledges it’s a slur
Over 13,000 views, and the video's only been up for 14 hours. Somehow it's gotten more hits in less than a day than most of your videos have received in total for many months! I don't know how you did it, but keep it up! I get MAJOR second-hand happiness when things work out for you! 🥰
of course what tommy said was an overreaction to xQc, anything that consisted of more than 3 syllables would have been.
Especially on Twitter. Can't bring words within 3 miles of Twitter.
Mizkif is crying that a random guy doesnt like him😂😂
As one person said. "It's such a quiet thing to fall, but far more terrible is to admit it. "
I’m glad I am not so invested with these people anymore… I don’t know if I find this situation mostly funny or sad. To me it’s funny because I used to watch them a lot and there’s always this lingering thought of “oh they’re just joking! They do not seriously mean it.”
Which is funny in itself because I believed some jokes can also hold some truths-
But it’s also saddening to see them arguing (at least for Dream and Tommy)
I used to love their bantering(?) and I thought they were a funny brotherly duo. For the longest time I thought they were still friends even if other fans kept pointing out Tommy didn’t like Dream anymore- I just thought they were laughing at everyone picking apart their words and they were still friends ‘behind the scenes’
My perception of joking is a mess but maybe it’s just a coping mechanism now 😂
Anyways, I also found this funny because the next two videos I see after this is Tommy’s and Tubbo’s videos with Dream in their title…
Oh well- I don’t follow many (if any tbh) cc anymore and up until now I forgot how stressful and saddening it is with these arguments.
Why did my curiosity on Twitter win once again when I decided to check out what everyone was talking about nowadays? I wouldn’t be here reminiscing oops 🙊
I should say that I expected Dream to be a diet SkyDoesMinecraft but to be honest, his actions are his, and Adam’s are Adam’s. Both of them have proven themselves to be attention-seeking people with a habit of being creepy, predatory, and borderline abusive (actually abusive in Adam’s case).
hated dream since the start
Same 🤝
Same 🙏🙏🙏
Is that a good thing...?
@@perttiprutkula461 yes, stop talking like it's 2021
is it just me or did mizkif lose his mind in anger and took out all his emotions on tommy just bcz he got embarassed about what tommy said about him xD. like ive been told to my face that i seem like a very rude person but i never let my ego get in the way of my reply, its actually pretty funny and i dont see how someone can have so much anger over it unless they are insecure(nothing wrong with being insecure but being a good person and insecure means u dont call the so called hater a thing back)
Wdm? Tommy said he hated Miz for no reason.
saying "he seemed rude" is different thank saying "hes the worst person I met I hated him the first time I saw him for no reason." like, thats not being insecure. Tommy literally insulted his entire character for no reason and admired that. like thats pretty hurtful when someone says you're the worst person ever and spreads that over the internet after you were literally just standing there
Great. Now do the same thing with Dream's recent respond to this matter. React and comment on it. If you want to give your opinion about something, be fair and listen to the other side as well.
The early bird gets the worm.
looking back on all the cool animatics is so sad to see how it went down 😭
we miss techno everyday
Bro why do people make drama of everything. Its hard to keep up
After all the bullshit dream went through i imagine he isnt exactly right in the head
The only good part of that Smp was Techno
anyother upload, lfg Jayln keep it up !!
Seriously, this is why i stopped watching dream smp after it ended. I was never a dream fan but after seeing the tweet he posted of him using the r slur. That is disgusting man. I am disabled and it pains me to see that the r slur has come back. Grow up and be respectful. On a different note, I think that the shambles that is the dream smp shows that you never truly know someone until they show their true colours.
no matter what the r word is a terrible use to attack people you've never met