It's so ironic that people will not hear Dream's side out because they hate dream, but the reason they hate Dream is because they did not hear him out on everything that ruined his reputation, which is, hilarious enough, why they hated Dream in the first place. Like are we being proper human beings? Should most of us even be allowed on the internet?
Yeah, the main issue is that Dream is BAD with making responses. He should have known that making an essay of a tweet isn't the right move. Sure, his essays DO explain situations and make things clear, but at the same time no one these days have the attention span to read all that.
Ppl under tmmy vid saying we should burn Dream at the stake, ppl under Dream vid "just work this out privately we don't wanna hear it". The double standards man
@denharsaken too bad caitlyn(the one who accused of george "g-wording" her) was proven a liar and shifting narratives that contradicts her prior ones. you can't cut ties with sexists when there isn't one to begin with.
@@EternalPending people still have the "ick" about dream because of that one speedrun he faked lol. i never had twitter and i didn't follow the dsmp but if i had to guess, the majority of the people that do not like dream right now are the ones that accepted all the allegations against him at face value first and then it still left a bad impression of him afterwards, even though dream has debunked the claims. it's like when charges are dropped against a supposed criminal in court but people still look at them in a different way.
Honestly i was mostly offended by the slur nonsense. Nothing else mattered to me other than that so im glad he apologized for that. As for the rest of this drama, i dont really want to care but i want the latest info to at least know it didnt end badly for the most part
bro what there was nonstop drama before and he was unproblematicand just kept quiet what are u talking about?? Can u also not bring him up in this drama like let him rest 💀
@@inxyo9393 simply saying that ever since he passed the group has kind of lost its magic and friendship even if it was crumbling before. If I wasn’t letting him rest I’d be saying he’s not dead I’m saying that I just wish he was here
A lot of people are biased towards Tommyinnit because they hate Dream. Right now I'm on Dreams side he did show receipts while Tommy didn't. This whole situation is stupid they should just apologize to each other.
@ he fights with random people on twitter, he is implosive , he doesn’t think things through, and he is quick to take things back. In other words bro has no back bone.
@@bubblesawesome3284 well he stands his ground pretty well Yeah he fights on twitter, he's kind of impulsive, makes stupid mistakes But wouldn't go as far saying that he doesn't have a backbone
@ dude having flaws isn’t a bad thing we all have flaws. Dream doesn’t have a back bone he deletes things and won’t stand his ground and will apologize for things that aren’t his fault. Like the whole catie thing he apologized like why would you apologize he didn’t do anything wrong
the double standards people have on these two are insane. on one hand you have people glazing tommy under his video (with no receipts btw) and then you have people under dream's video being indifferent to whatever dream was saying.
@@crunchyTOP24 he just brought up unrelated stuff Dream did in the past (which he apologized for/debunked), stroked his own ego saying how much he didn't care yet he was yapping about Dream and his fans for like 10 minutes. He got mad Dream "dragged him into drama" yet he just addressed a concern people had (with tact if I may say so myself). That was also unrelated and a while ago. Basically Lud behaved like one of those losers who go through someone's Twitter history scrounging for anything that could hurt that person
@Piprupwas Ludwig asked by any of the two to address the drama? I don’t understand why he said he was dragged into the drama, I don’t see his part available in Tommy and Dream dramas besides maybe Tubbo and that’s only because I always see him with Tommy
@Piprup May I add that Ludwig showed a complete lack of any solid morals when taking about the entire situation with his Dream DM’s? The man straight up refused to help Dream when he was being falsely accused (Ludwig KNEW [or should’ve known] these accusations were false because of Dream’s video), and his excuse was that the video would’ve been controversial, and Dream insulted his friend once? (Ludwig refuses to elaborate on this to Dream, mind you.) To me, it shows Ludwig has no integrity or backbone. He’ll do anything to get ahead, and doesn’t care for the truth or any “responsibility” that comes with his platform. He masks his clear lack of any morals behind vague moralisation and “it’s my channel, I can do what I want!”.
Tommy shouldve provided some context or evidense, overall dream has a better response and better context. Tommy is just telling things that have no proof. Tommy should make a second video to proof his allegations. And also tubbos live stream proved alot about what tommy and his friends did. So over all i think dream is taking the dub.
Yeah lol this is true, he has real evidence. If Tommy has evidence I’ll be more into believing him, but I’ve always watched both of them for years, and it’s annoying to see this kinda drama
But is there any trusting that evidence anymore? He uses clips of Tubbo saying that the others shouldn't be calling Dream a pedo when he isn't confirmed one, (Tubbo's words) but ignores multiple clips of Tubbo digging in on Dream for just not being the best person. In that stream, Dream used an example of Ludwig deciding not to make a video on his "The Truth" video because Dream called one of Ludwig's friends a whore. Which was the case, but when dream tried to explain himself to Ludwig with apparently over 5 pages of texts, it turned out Dream was talking about another girl he called a whore. (This has all been confirmed by Ludwig). Again in that stream, he gets mad at AverageHarry for "hating him for no reason" when what actually happened, is a 16 year old Harry pointed out Dream used clipart in $35merch, and when Dream's rabid fan base started sending death threats to Harry, he simply just liked the tweets and moved on. But also, some of the evidence he uses is null. He claims that he only sent one message to Tom's mother and that apparently means that isn't harrasment, despite forgetting that it entirely could've been seen as harrasment by Tom's mum, and that Tom's main gripe was that it was during his mum's divorce. Then he uses clips of Tom saying he's greatful for Dream as apparent evidence that Tom is lying about Dream holding it over his head, but that doesn't mean that he didn't. Tom can still have been greatful at the time, then go on to realise that maybe Dream did do so. Sure Dream HAS evidence, but it doesn't excuse half of the shit he's allegedly done.
My concern is that dream’s receipts are edited/cropped to fit what he was saying. Tommy’s editors have gone out on Reddit in response to dreams video saying that dreams statements about them being underpaid are false. They provided unedited screenshots of the conversations. Dream edited the evidence to fit his narrative in this instance. I would just be careful with picking a side only based on if they have provided evidence or not, because the evidence could be false. Edit: I watched Tubbo’s livestream vid talking about dream’s apology vid and he calls out a decent amount of evidence to be false. Tubbo shows receipts for multiple accusations in the video, as some of the proof that dream displayed were related to tubbo and had nothing to do with the accusations Dream was making. Either way, I think it is important to listen to all sides of the story to get the best understanding of the situation. I highly suggest for people to watch this vid, or if you do not have enough time to watch it through fully, to watch the last 10-15 min of it (he recaps a majority of what he had found in this segment).
Tommy perpetuated false allegations about Dream, the same creator who gave him a platform and advice starting out on youtube (Tommy admits this several times), then proceeds to slander Dream's name further by falsely accusing him of harassing his mom while she was going through a divorce (literally did not happen, it was one message). TommyInit literally belittles Dream's content because Tommy does stand up and comedy now which he believes is just attributed some higher value for some reason, (Dream literally is the more successful youtuber out of the two, there's no need for this) It's just crazy to me how TommyInit can portray himself as some savior of the internet and everyone praises it for him when it's built upon slandering the one creator who gave him a platform
@@tokyoyoongi5538 What they mean is run their mouth meaninglessly. Tommy was basically just saying u were mean to me 🥲. While dream actually brought reciepts and context.
@@cellular7881 Watch tubbos reaction stream to dream and you'll see that's all he does lol. All he did was change the subject, bring up stuff that had nothing to do with the actual reason everyone was upset and belittled tubbo the whole time. He runs his mouth meaninglessly too 😭
The difference between dream and Tommy, dream always provided evidence, even back in false allegation era, Tommy never provided evidence, he never had the false allegations
It's just sad how dream came back to being successful again until one of his friends just expose him without any evidence… Everyone just doesn’t even care about dream at this point even with evidence and all that ppl don’t care. They still think dream’s a pedo and all that…
To be perfectly honest. I was "Team Tommy" to begin with. But God I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore. I'm just staying away from it. This whole drama sucks ass.
i'll join u on that when all this came out i switched sides so fast now i'm on no-one's. i think we can just chalk this up to person 1 and person 2 are equally as bad and leave it at that
@insertcooldragonnameherepls The problem there is you're deciding that someone is bad without evidence. If you can't be bothered to follow it and look for the evidence yourself, the logical choice should be that person 1 and person 2 are both innocent, not both guilty. If you want to ascribe guilt, the respectable thing would be to actually be able to back it up first.
Honestly ive been trying to not dislike tommy, bc i'm not the type of person to really do that alot but i feel like its hard for me, never had this happen the moment i found someone normally it would takes a little bit for me to dislike them. i'm gonna not choose sides but i'm gonna go a little bit closer to dream for now.
It’s nice that Dream actually provides evidence of what he does and what happens. It’s a shame that all antis will do is twist them out of context to make them look worse, ignore them completely, or just wish death on him. I wish I was joking about that last part
you know that Dream only took parts of Tubbo's streams that made him look good for his video but didn't use parts that made him look bad like the actual good arguments. Dream only uses whats public while most of Tommy's and other creators issues with Dream is stuff that happens in private. Dream self inserted himself into that drama for no reason and tries to say Tommy is only doing this drama to promote his stuff but the same argument can be made for Dream cause he isn't as popular as he is anymore and his image is damaged despite him disproving allegations.
But taht evidence isnt really good. He uses clips of Tubbo saying that the others shouldn't be calling Dream a pedo when he isn't confirmed one, (Tubbo's words) but ignores multiple clips of Tubbo digging in on Dream for just not being the best person. In that stream, Dream used an example of Ludwig deciding not to make a video on his "The Truth" video because Dream called one of Ludwig's friends a whore. Which was the case, but when dream tried to explain himself to Ludwig with apparently over 5 pages of texts, it turned out Dream was talking about another girl he called a whore. (This has all been confirmed by Ludwig). Again in that stream, he gets mad at AverageHarry for "hating him for no reason" when what actually happened, is a 16 year old Harry pointed out Dream used clipart in $35merch, and when Dream's rabid fan base started sending death threats to Harry, he simply just liked the tweets and moved on. But also, some of the evidence he uses is null. He claims that he only sent one message to Tom's mother and that apparently means that isn't harrasment, despite forgetting that it entirely could've been seen as harrasment by Tom's mum, and that Tom's main gripe was that it was during his mum's divorce. Then he uses clips of Tom saying he's greatful for Dream as apparent evidence that Tom is lying about Dream holding it over his head, but that doesn't mean that he didn't. Tom can still have been greatful at the time, then go on to realise that maybe Dream did do so. Sure Dream HAS evidence, but it doesn't excuse half of the shit he's allegedly done.
@@moonchild9092 Yea I'm kinda happy Tommy distanced himself from Dream. Only issue is the false pedo stuff Tommy's group joke about, which definitely is wrong, but none of this was public so it doesn't influence his fans or nothing
even tho i saw tommy's vid about dream, im actually on dream's side after his video. He gave more proof than tommy did. and tommy just rambled, not giving any proof at all in his video.
I feel 200x better for myself when I see the stan getting angry with each other. The stan are either making me laugh or very dumbfounded when what they said are just too illogical to read
Why the f are people joking about pedophiles in the first place it’s probably a uncomfortable topic for many people and the fact that Tommy got offended from the r word is honestly hypocrisy it’s stupid
It's so funny that in 2020 era when dream wasn't careful with what he said and people got flamed everyone kept acting like he was a villian, but when Tommy and his mates keep flaming him whilst using actual misinformation it's cool. Like just Tommy even implying who dream and his crew support politicaly in minecraft whilst they have a following on Twitter is arguably worse than a couple of strays dream wasn't careful with, Tommy just does it with malice
He didn’t get easily triggered, he spent about a year being verbally abused and harrassed, attempted to ignore it, and finally snapped when he had enough. Emotional abuse doesn’t care that Dream is a content creator, he has feelings too.
Again between all this I’m still deciding to remain my choice neutral. Because I feel like dream has said what he needed to say and so has Tommy but still I feel like in both their responses they’re trying to shade in some way so I’m keep waiting until those are talked about
Good on you (this is smart not to let judgement get clouded by the rush of media) usually, things like this don’t really matter to us in our individual lives
this made me realize how much stupid children from the minecraft community are engaging with this drama, the way they instantly went onto tommy's side after he made that video. when i watched it (because it appeared on my home page) i immediately got weird vibes, from him just throwing accusations without context and proof and then his schilling at the end of the video, but people still immediately went onto his side for it and i was just like... wtf? like i'm not a dream stan or even a fan but i'm more willing to be on his side here than tommy...
Yeeeah same here... i really thought there was someting missing when I watched it for the first time ans then I realized that, he could've talked shit for the whole video (wich is probably not the case for some of the points but yk.. idk at this point XD )
I believe Tommyinit is absolutely lying I watch the video too I think he is lying about Dream Tommyinit needs too take responsibility for his actions for lying about Dream 😊 I'm on Dream side
The thing is that Dream actually has proof ab the things he is saying. Tommy is just throwing around acusations without any contezt or proof, which just shows he is slandering dream.
I’ve been a dream fan for a long time but after Tommy made that video and I saw that more people were against dream I just didn’t really care I was just on no one’s side but after dream posted his apology I’m kinda back on his side and I’m not afraid to admit that
I would say both tommySide and dream side have the fair share of guilt of ignoring friends as soon as fake or real allegation, stealing ideas And aswell taking credit All they have to do is to mind their own busniess and not butt in to each other drama Like this DreamSmp would not have became a thing without tommiyinit And Tommy would've never became youtuber without a platform like DreamSMP Both them needed each other, both them got clout, both the are at wrong,
I’m kind of fearing the worst of Tommy right now because I don’t know which is right which is wrong but the same time Tommy is kind of being a little bit immature and didn’t show any for evidence I don’t hate on him or anything like that. But I think the situation is pretty bad right now
I just binged the John Adams HBO show, so now I'm drawing parallels. Dream is kind of like John Adams, not really liked by anyone, but holding fast to his values, and Tommy is kind of like Thomas Jefferson, his friend who then went behind his back and slandered him. Yes, it's a massive stretch. Yeah, TH-camrs have little in common with 18th century American founding fathers But give me a break, I just binged the show, it's at the front of my mind. And there are at least a couple similarities, as pointless as pointing them out might be.
Bro when u say it like that it sounds bad. But like if ur mom told u to do something ur not gonna say no thats a horrible idea. Also tommys merch was actually shit and he got into an actual scandal for scamming his fans
This is exactly what I was talking about in the last comment I left. People are so quick to take sides when it comes to Dream controversy and slander his name before actual evidence is given out.
Honestly looking at the comment section for dream the only way I see things working out is if we get both Tommy and dream in a call where they can sort things out off camera or on camera (with evidence) because right now this is all just drama for the sake of drama
I agree with your points. However, the part where Dream accused editors for doing a free labor for Tommy was debunked by the editors themselves, showing the full screenshots and proving that they have been altered.
You probably should've waited to make this video because all of Dream's evidence is getting debunked on Twitter. And Ludwig has came out to say he called not one but two women "whores."
Ok, now that I have seen both sides- I have changed my mind. They are both idiots. I can not believe anyone is taking these two clowns seriously (mind you, I used to take Tommy seriously before dreams video, though I still hate dream regardless). If Tommy lied about that stuff with his mom- ew. And dream in general, plus if he’s lying about not saying that stuff- ew. I’m on no one’s side except for the girls who were called derogatory terms by dream, the people who were called the r slur by dream, and Ludwig for being dragged in for literally no reason except for ‘detective dream’ wanting him to talk about the situation in a video so people would be on his side. (Go watch Ludwig’s video y’all- these commentary channels are way too biased.
Ah, you’re being manipulated by Ludwig. Let me clear the air, in that case. Ludwig was SO vague to Dream about his accusation of him calling someone a derogatory term, that not even HE knows who Ludwig was talking about. To this day. Dream thought that he was talking about an accusation of him calling someone that word during the Gumball situation, hence the essay Dream made in response. Dream has also stated that he does call friends of his (that are okay with it) those words as a joke, both male and female, while also saying he would never call anyone derogatory terms outside of that. I’m paraphrasing, but you get my point. How is it bad if it’s a mutual joke that both parties are completely okay with? I feel like Ludwig was intentionally misframing the situation to everyone. The only thing his video proves is that he lacks a proper moral character, especially since he showed zero receipts. If he had shown specifics of the conversation, people wouldn’t be NEARLY as angry over this, because (if Dream is to be believed) Dream was just clearing up false accusations to him. But something tells me Ludwig knows this and wants to make Dream look as bad as possible.
people need to leave the green man alone 😭 pretty much his entire career is the internet, so of course it’s a big deal when THE INTERNET is making it seem like he’s some horrible person that feeds off children or some biz. i’ll admit he makes mistakes, but everybody does. the stuff that regular people say on the internet are ten times worse than what he says, but because he’s popular, he gets flamed for it. imo he’s a regular guy that happens to be popular. treat him like it. WITH RESPECT
I don’t foresee this drama dying down any time soon. I feel like people are gonna flip flop on whose side they’re on until no one likes them. That’s where I’m at rn.
I have no word to say other than saying Tommy are more likely in his emotional spur without thinking critically when this happen All I hear is teenager being fed by information and one sided bias by someone else. Does this mean he is malice for making that video? I don't think so.
It looks like Tommy and Dream are in a real pickle right next. Which means they’re in a tea situation. I hope that things will get better between them soon. Honestly I’m not sure whose side I should be on. I hope that things will get better between them pretty soon.
A lot of people are TH-cam viewers so obviously dream looks better but he’s pretending he never said anything about Tommy which is untrue he just deleted it, he’s pretending Tommy had involvement in the merch company which is not true he didn’t know and it wasn’t proven they did that he just added that clip for dramatic effect, the editors also came out about the fact that Tommy did not freelance his fans and the one who got paid 50$ did not edit a full video for them , he also cherry picked the hell out of tubbo’s SEVEN hour stream after refusing to come on and actually talk about it after saying he would upon seeing tubbo was not on his side. Also of course Tommy said nice things about him when he was younger because he looked up to dream, there’s tons of people I used to look up to and realize wow they’re actually a horrible person, and dream has repeatedly held his career over Tommy’s head he even made an entire graph he posted to Twitter about his success and everyone was confused on if he was joking, he would do stuff like this and delete it or hide behind “haha just joking!” Lastly he says he had a problem w the pedo jokes but also played into it with talking about how 16 is the age of consent , repeatedly making “the sex book” and masturbation jokes to Tommy and also sexualizing tubbo’s sister with vikk Holy yap fest
I love both Dream and Tommyinnit, and i grew up with them, and as my request, just for my childhood, please, please dont stop being friends.. even if you two dont like each other, i like you both as ytubers, and…
I'm on neither side It's just them having beef Let them be And this will only concern us if they decide to bring us in. Like when Dream called alot of people the Rword.
Hot take...what if neither of them are in the right and everyone should just do the trend where we should ignore everything they posted abt this drama-
When I heard about the drama, I had a feeling this was coming, as both Dream and Tommy have stopped talking since the DSMP ended. And now, it's true feelings of each other have shown true color. I love Tommyinnit, and I know what he's trying to do, but however I have known Dream always being but in this situation and now, as much as I like Tommy, Dream made a good video posting evidence and facts of his side and it’s seems to me that it's all making more sense than Tommy's video, because he was only explaining his wlview without the evidence that helps his claim. So, all I could say is, Dream is not perfect and I know who he is sometimes, but he at least posted evidence and if this is actually true, then Tommy has to apologize this man. This situation is super complicated to handle.
It honestly sounds to me like both of them are in the wrong and that they both have different views on what happened between them. Tommy should have given evidence, but I personally thought this was more of a message than a callout or exposing post. Doesn’t make it right, but that’s how I personally saw it. But honestly both of them had really good points
honestly, I'm not eager to trust anything Dream says, I mean he isn't exactly known for honesty. I mean look at his manhunts! He admitted he scripted them and edited in audio. He also faked speedruns. sorry dream, I'm out
Welcome to today's episode of TH-cam Drama. Last time it was Mrbeast vs DogPack404, and now starting off 2025 TommyInnet and Dream going at it. Guys TH-cam is better than this. You're better than this.
I respect the milking of the drama to pay rent.
Thanks 🙏
@@JalynCommentaryplss, give me some.
@@JalynCommentarybro passed the vibe check
I would too Ngl
@@JalynCommentarycan I do it too?
It's so ironic that people will not hear Dream's side out because they hate dream, but the reason they hate Dream is because they did not hear him out on everything that ruined his reputation, which is, hilarious enough, why they hated Dream in the first place. Like are we being proper human beings? Should most of us even be allowed on the internet?
Yh agreed I still very much like dream as a content creator seems like others struggle to do the same
The people on the internet are the ones being proper movie villains.
Yeah, the main issue is that Dream is BAD with making responses. He should have known that making an essay of a tweet isn't the right move. Sure, his essays DO explain situations and make things clear, but at the same time no one these days have the attention span to read all that.
Seeing this now after watching tubbo's video, makes me hate him even more
Ppl under tmmy vid saying we should burn Dream at the stake, ppl under Dream vid "just work this out privately we don't wanna hear it".
The double standards man
Exactly I was thinking the exact same thing in my head reading the comments under Dream's vids
Dream is the Jesus (a.s) of our day
lol and tommy literally stated he blocked dream on everything so how do they even expect dream to “sort it out in private” so stupid man
BRO LEGIT BRO OMG
God yell this exact comment in every one of their ears
Idk why tommy is calling dream's friends sexist, even tho he used to be friends with wilbur who was exposed to be assaulting on of her ex's
Cause even tho they are idiots they have BIG hearts...
Let’s be honest though, as soon as that came out Tommy cut ties.
Tommy cut all ties with wilbur after, did dream do thst to his friends?
@denharsaken too bad caitlyn(the one who accused of george "g-wording" her) was proven a liar and shifting narratives that contradicts her prior ones. you can't cut ties with sexists when there isn't one to begin with.
But he litteraly is not friend with him anymore... So what are you on about?
I don't like dream but he cooked
Hi Lettuce
Bro go watch his manhunts
Lol
I realised something, why don't we like dream again?
I actually forgot please tell me I think its because of them..?
@@EternalPending people still have the "ick" about dream because of that one speedrun he faked lol. i never had twitter and i didn't follow the dsmp but if i had to guess, the majority of the people that do not like dream right now are the ones that accepted all the allegations against him at face value first and then it still left a bad impression of him afterwards, even though dream has debunked the claims.
it's like when charges are dropped against a supposed criminal in court but people still look at them in a different way.
Ngl after the dream response im more on his side. I still dislike the dude but people are being way too biased towards Tommy.
why do you dislike him?
True
And literally the ONLY reason they bias Tommy is bcs he's against Dream
@@baecute0469 so true
Honestly i was mostly offended by the slur nonsense. Nothing else mattered to me other than that so im glad he apologized for that. As for the rest of this drama, i dont really want to care but i want the latest info to at least know it didnt end badly for the most part
This is one of those times where I wish techno was around to stop this nonsense as he was a big voice to everyone it hurts just thinking about it
bro what there was nonstop drama before and he was unproblematicand just kept quiet what are u talking about?? Can u also not bring him up in this drama like let him rest 💀
Dude stop bringing techno in this dumbass shit even when techno was around and they got into their quiffs he never responded
@@inxyo9393 simply saying that ever since he passed the group has kind of lost its magic and friendship even if it was crumbling before. If I wasn’t letting him rest I’d be saying he’s not dead I’m saying that I just wish he was here
@@lilpicnicattac9207 simply saying that ever since he left the group has kind of lost its magic and friendship even if it was crumbling before.
A lot of people are biased towards Tommyinnit because they hate Dream. Right now I'm on Dreams side he did show receipts while Tommy didn't. This whole situation is stupid they should just apologize to each other.
and Tommy lied he harrased his mother is crazy
his mother should not have reply those twitters first place its dumb move i bet tommy knew it
Dream has a lot of flaws but I’m on dreams side with this one. Like he has proof and Tommy…..all he has is “trust me bro”
Bro what are his flaws except the r slur thing
@@Lukdamanmainly because he just needs to stay off twitter. the guy does fine in everything else
@ he fights with random people on twitter, he is implosive , he doesn’t think things through, and he is quick to take things back. In other words bro has no back bone.
@@bubblesawesome3284 well he stands his ground pretty well
Yeah he fights on twitter, he's kind of impulsive, makes stupid mistakes
But wouldn't go as far saying that he doesn't have a backbone
@ dude having flaws isn’t a bad thing we all have flaws. Dream doesn’t have a back bone he deletes things and won’t stand his ground and will apologize for things that aren’t his fault. Like the whole catie thing he apologized like why would you apologize he didn’t do anything wrong
Nah man dream cooked Tommy
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the double standards people have on these two are insane. on one hand you have people glazing tommy under his video (with no receipts btw) and then you have people under dream's video being indifferent to whatever dream was saying.
The worst one is Ludwig. He disappointed me a lot. That's not how you treat a drama featuring 2 of your friends
@Piprup can you give me a rundown on what he said?
@@crunchyTOP24 he just brought up unrelated stuff Dream did in the past (which he apologized for/debunked), stroked his own ego saying how much he didn't care yet he was yapping about Dream and his fans for like 10 minutes. He got mad Dream "dragged him into drama" yet he just addressed a concern people had (with tact if I may say so myself). That was also unrelated and a while ago. Basically Lud behaved like one of those losers who go through someone's Twitter history scrounging for anything that could hurt that person
@Piprupwas Ludwig asked by any of the two to address the drama? I don’t understand why he said he was dragged into the drama, I don’t see his part available in Tommy and Dream dramas besides maybe Tubbo and that’s only because I always see him with Tommy
@Piprup
May I add that Ludwig showed a complete lack of any solid morals when taking about the entire situation with his Dream DM’s?
The man straight up refused to help Dream when he was being falsely accused (Ludwig KNEW [or should’ve known] these accusations were false because of Dream’s video), and his excuse was that the video would’ve been controversial, and Dream insulted his friend once? (Ludwig refuses to elaborate on this to Dream, mind you.)
To me, it shows Ludwig has no integrity or backbone. He’ll do anything to get ahead, and doesn’t care for the truth or any “responsibility” that comes with his platform. He masks his clear lack of any morals behind vague moralisation and “it’s my channel, I can do what I want!”.
Tommy shouldve provided some context or evidense, overall dream has a better response and better context. Tommy is just telling things that have no proof. Tommy should make a second video to proof his allegations. And also tubbos live stream proved alot about what tommy and his friends did. So over all i think dream is taking the dub.
Say whatever you want about Dream. Unlike Tommy he made sensible statements with receipts. I'm 100% with him on this
Yeah lol this is true, he has real evidence. If Tommy has evidence I’ll be more into believing him, but I’ve always watched both of them for years, and it’s annoying to see this kinda drama
But is there any trusting that evidence anymore?
He uses clips of Tubbo saying that the others shouldn't be calling Dream a pedo when he isn't confirmed one, (Tubbo's words) but ignores multiple clips of Tubbo digging in on Dream for just not being the best person.
In that stream, Dream used an example of Ludwig deciding not to make a video on his "The Truth" video because Dream called one of Ludwig's friends a whore. Which was the case, but when dream tried to explain himself to Ludwig with apparently over 5 pages of texts, it turned out Dream was talking about another girl he called a whore. (This has all been confirmed by Ludwig).
Again in that stream, he gets mad at AverageHarry for "hating him for no reason" when what actually happened, is a 16 year old Harry pointed out Dream used clipart in $35merch, and when Dream's rabid fan base started sending death threats to Harry, he simply just liked the tweets and moved on.
But also, some of the evidence he uses is null. He claims that he only sent one message to Tom's mother and that apparently means that isn't harrasment, despite forgetting that it entirely could've been seen as harrasment by Tom's mum, and that Tom's main gripe was that it was during his mum's divorce.
Then he uses clips of Tom saying he's greatful for Dream as apparent evidence that Tom is lying about Dream holding it over his head, but that doesn't mean that he didn't. Tom can still have been greatful at the time, then go on to realise that maybe Dream did do so.
Sure Dream HAS evidence, but it doesn't excuse half of the shit he's allegedly done.
How about we all ignore this garbage drama since its pointless
My concern is that dream’s receipts are edited/cropped to fit what he was saying. Tommy’s editors have gone out on Reddit in response to dreams video saying that dreams statements about them being underpaid are false. They provided unedited screenshots of the conversations. Dream edited the evidence to fit his narrative in this instance. I would just be careful with picking a side only based on if they have provided evidence or not, because the evidence could be false.
Edit: I watched Tubbo’s livestream vid talking about dream’s apology vid and he calls out a decent amount of evidence to be false. Tubbo shows receipts for multiple accusations in the video, as some of the proof that dream displayed were related to tubbo and had nothing to do with the accusations Dream was making.
Either way, I think it is important to listen to all sides of the story to get the best understanding of the situation.
I highly suggest for people to watch this vid, or if you do not have enough time to watch it through fully, to watch the last 10-15 min of it (he recaps a majority of what he had found in this segment).
lol except a ton of his evidence has been disproven like the sweat shop stuff
I respect that he admitted he was milking the drama
Tommy perpetuated false allegations about Dream, the same creator who gave him a platform and advice starting out on youtube (Tommy admits this several times), then proceeds to slander Dream's name further by falsely accusing him of harassing his mom while she was going through a divorce (literally did not happen, it was one message). TommyInit literally belittles Dream's content because Tommy does stand up and comedy now which he believes is just attributed some higher value for some reason, (Dream literally is the more successful youtuber out of the two, there's no need for this)
It's just crazy to me how TommyInit can portray himself as some savior of the internet and everyone praises it for him when it's built upon slandering the one creator who gave him a platform
Whether you like dream or not, he's definitely not running his mouth like Tommy did
All he does is run his mouth what.
@@tokyoyoongi5538 What they mean is run their mouth meaninglessly. Tommy was basically just saying u were mean to me 🥲. While dream actually brought reciepts and context.
@@cellular7881 Watch tubbos reaction stream to dream and you'll see that's all he does lol. All he did was change the subject, bring up stuff that had nothing to do with the actual reason everyone was upset and belittled tubbo the whole time. He runs his mouth meaninglessly too 😭
@@tokyoyoongi5538i mean tommy is just a clout chaser and ur giving him what we wants
The kid turned out to be wanna be logan paul at first XD
The difference between dream and Tommy, dream always provided evidence, even back in false allegation era, Tommy never provided evidence, he never had the false allegations
It's just sad how dream came back to being successful again until one of his friends just expose him without any evidence… Everyone just doesn’t even care about dream at this point even with evidence and all that ppl don’t care. They still think dream’s a pedo and all that…
He was successful again?
@ he did started getting millions of views again
Dbz profile pic lmfao
@ ? What's wrong with that
@ it’s an unrealistic hospital drama made for entertainment not propaganda
To be perfectly honest. I was "Team Tommy" to begin with. But God I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore. I'm just staying away from it. This whole drama sucks ass.
i'll join u on that when all this came out i switched sides so fast now i'm on no-one's. i think we can just chalk this up to person 1 and person 2 are equally as bad and leave it at that
yeah at this point just dipped and let the fire fade
@insertcooldragonnameherepls The problem there is you're deciding that someone is bad without evidence. If you can't be bothered to follow it and look for the evidence yourself, the logical choice should be that person 1 and person 2 are both innocent, not both guilty. If you want to ascribe guilt, the respectable thing would be to actually be able to back it up first.
“I was on tommys side but…hes kiinda losing, i just wont be on dreams side and walk away…”
@ oh mb i didn't know it worked like that thx for letting me know tho
Honestly ive been trying to not dislike tommy, bc i'm not the type of person to really do that alot but i feel like its hard for me, never had this happen the moment i found someone normally it would takes a little bit for me to dislike them.
i'm gonna not choose sides but i'm gonna go a little bit closer to dream for now.
Yeah until I see evidence from Tommy, I think I’ll stay a little closer to dream side too. He’s the one with actual evidence.
While not everything dream did was in the right or 100% morally correct, he is definitely not as bad as Tommy.
It’s nice that Dream actually provides evidence of what he does and what happens.
It’s a shame that all antis will do is twist them out of context to make them look worse, ignore them completely, or just wish death on him.
I wish I was joking about that last part
you know that Dream only took parts of Tubbo's streams that made him look good for his video but didn't use parts that made him look bad like the actual good arguments. Dream only uses whats public while most of Tommy's and other creators issues with Dream is stuff that happens in private. Dream self inserted himself into that drama for no reason and tries to say Tommy is only doing this drama to promote his stuff but the same argument can be made for Dream cause he isn't as popular as he is anymore and his image is damaged despite him disproving allegations.
Bro that's literally apart of the roleplay dream being a villain in the roleplay @@moonchild9092
But taht evidence isnt really good.
He uses clips of Tubbo saying that the others shouldn't be calling Dream a pedo when he isn't confirmed one, (Tubbo's words) but ignores multiple clips of Tubbo digging in on Dream for just not being the best person.
In that stream, Dream used an example of Ludwig deciding not to make a video on his "The Truth" video because Dream called one of Ludwig's friends a whore. Which was the case, but when dream tried to explain himself to Ludwig with apparently over 5 pages of texts, it turned out Dream was talking about another girl he called a whore. (This has all been confirmed by Ludwig).
Again in that stream, he gets mad at AverageHarry for "hating him for no reason" when what actually happened, is a 16 year old Harry pointed out Dream used clipart in $35merch, and when Dream's rabid fan base started sending death threats to Harry, he simply just liked the tweets and moved on.
But also, some of the evidence he uses is null. He claims that he only sent one message to Tom's mother and that apparently means that isn't harrasment, despite forgetting that it entirely could've been seen as harrasment by Tom's mum, and that Tom's main gripe was that it was during his mum's divorce.
Then he uses clips of Tom saying he's greatful for Dream as apparent evidence that Tom is lying about Dream holding it over his head, but that doesn't mean that he didn't. Tom can still have been greatful at the time, then go on to realise that maybe Dream did do so.
Sure Dream HAS evidence, but it doesn't excuse half of the shit he's allegedly done.
@@moonchild9092 Yea I'm kinda happy Tommy distanced himself from Dream. Only issue is the false pedo stuff Tommy's group joke about, which definitely is wrong, but none of this was public so it doesn't influence his fans or nothing
@joaks1969 its still better than nothing, honestly
even tho i saw tommy's vid about dream, im actually on dream's side after his video. He gave more proof than tommy did. and tommy just rambled, not giving any proof at all in his video.
Ngl dawg, this type of drama is just becoming another internet brainrot. Anyone else feel instantly 100x smarter than all these people?
I feel 200x better for myself when I see the stan getting angry with each other. The stan are either making me laugh or very dumbfounded when what they said are just too illogical to read
Why the f are people joking about pedophiles in the first place it’s probably a uncomfortable topic for many people and the fact that Tommy got offended from the r word is honestly hypocrisy it’s stupid
IKR
All of this is tbh
It's so funny that in 2020 era when dream wasn't careful with what he said and people got flamed everyone kept acting like he was a villian, but when Tommy and his mates keep flaming him whilst using actual misinformation it's cool. Like just Tommy even implying who dream and his crew support politicaly in minecraft whilst they have a following on Twitter is arguably worse than a couple of strays dream wasn't careful with, Tommy just does it with malice
No one really cares about what you say until it matters, or until your large enough of a target.
Never was on Tommy side😂
Dream definitely right but he just easily gets triggered, he should stop going on twitter… Tommy is just regarded and delusional.
He didn’t get easily triggered, he spent about a year being verbally abused and harrassed, attempted to ignore it, and finally snapped when he had enough. Emotional abuse doesn’t care that Dream is a content creator, he has feelings too.
Again between all this I’m still deciding to remain my choice neutral.
Because I feel like dream has said what he needed to say and so has Tommy but still I feel like in both their responses they’re trying to shade in some way so I’m keep waiting until those are talked about
Good on you (this is smart not to let judgement get clouded by the rush of media) usually, things like this don’t really matter to us in our individual lives
Gotta pay the rent you know. Gotta do what you gotta do.
It’s hard on these streets 🔥
this made me realize how much stupid children from the minecraft community are engaging with this drama, the way they instantly went onto tommy's side after he made that video. when i watched it (because it appeared on my home page) i immediately got weird vibes, from him just throwing accusations without context and proof and then his schilling at the end of the video, but people still immediately went onto his side for it and i was just like... wtf? like i'm not a dream stan or even a fan but i'm more willing to be on his side here than tommy...
Yeeeah same here... i really thought there was someting missing when I watched it for the first time ans then I realized that, he could've talked shit for the whole video (wich is probably not the case for some of the points but yk.. idk at this point XD )
The feud was so big it brought jalyn back
I think Dream's message to his mom isn't that bad He was just trying to deescalate the drama... Not really the harassing movie villain type shi
true that makes Tommy still 16 year child brain with 20year old body
I believe Tommyinit is absolutely lying I watch the video too I think he is lying about Dream Tommyinit needs too take responsibility for his actions for lying about Dream 😊 I'm on Dream side
The thing is that Dream actually has proof ab the things he is saying. Tommy is just throwing around acusations without any contezt or proof, which just shows he is slandering dream.
I’ve been a dream fan for a long time but after Tommy made that video and I saw that more people were against dream I just didn’t really care I was just on no one’s side but after dream posted his apology I’m kinda back on his side and I’m not afraid to admit that
I personally am leaning towards believe dream because 1. He gave proof, while Tommy did not. 2. Tommy and his friends spread lies. 3. He apologized.
Thanks! Didn’t wanna watch dreams video! But wanna know the drama💅
I would say both tommySide and dream side have the fair share of guilt of ignoring friends as soon as fake or real allegation, stealing ideas And aswell taking credit
All they have to do is to mind their own busniess and not butt in to each other drama
Like this
DreamSmp would not have became a thing without tommiyinit
And
Tommy would've never became youtuber without a platform like DreamSMP
Both them needed each other, both them got clout, both the are at wrong,
I’m kind of fearing the worst of Tommy right now because I don’t know which is right which is wrong but the same time Tommy is kind of being a little bit immature and didn’t show any for evidence I don’t hate on him or anything like that. But I think the situation is pretty bad right now
I just binged the John Adams HBO show, so now I'm drawing parallels. Dream is kind of like John Adams, not really liked by anyone, but holding fast to his values, and Tommy is kind of like Thomas Jefferson, his friend who then went behind his back and slandered him.
Yes, it's a massive stretch. Yeah, TH-camrs have little in common with 18th century American founding fathers But give me a break, I just binged the show, it's at the front of my mind. And there are at least a couple similarities, as pointless as pointing them out might be.
The part where he BLAMES HIM MOM for having bad merch is CRAZY
True 💀
Where dawg 🤦🏾♂️
Bro when u say it like that it sounds bad. But like if ur mom told u to do something ur not gonna say no thats a horrible idea. Also tommys merch was actually shit and he got into an actual scandal for scamming his fans
@@cellular7881 It’s giving dream stan
We are already aware of this situation!!!
Atleast bro I'm honest with it 0:22 😂
i dont like tommy ever since hes been making videos on techno's death im sorry but it just seems to me like he wants profit and fame out of it
"you were so sexist Dream" *proceeds to no elaborate on that and just throw it out as another bait for false allegations*
This is exactly what I was talking about in the last comment I left. People are so quick to take sides when it comes to Dream controversy and slander his name before actual evidence is given out.
I love how dream defended himself while lowjey insulting tommy😂😂
Im not on dreams side tbc, its just kinda funny, i lova drama
I respect Dream in this because I have watched him tor a while and Tommy is like that on screen some time s.💭
I can agree after dreams response I’m on dreams side
Honestly looking at the comment section for dream the only way I see things working out is if we get both Tommy and dream in a call where they can sort things out off camera or on camera (with evidence) because right now this is all just drama for the sake of drama
I will always be dream side not tommy
I agree with your points.
However, the part where Dream accused editors for doing a free labor for Tommy was debunked by the editors themselves, showing the full screenshots and proving that they have been altered.
The vast majority of fans of both of these creators are children. I'm willing to bet this entire drama is staged for more engagement.
Stuff like this happens all the time and it’s real drama nowadays. I highly doubt that this is any different.
Ehh don't really care about who is wrong, but Dream's video was suprisingly funny, gotta stay subscribed for another manhunt
The worst mistake they did was make it public (exception if it’s affecting people as in their fans outside of the drama)
In the start of Tommy’s vid he said he blocked dream, how is he supposed to contact someone who blocked him
You probably should've waited to make this video because all of Dream's evidence is getting debunked on Twitter. And Ludwig has came out to say he called not one but two women "whores."
cry a river
Ah yes, Twitter and Ludwig, the best sources that definitely don't have like half a braincell combined
Ok, now that I have seen both sides- I have changed my mind. They are both idiots. I can not believe anyone is taking these two clowns seriously (mind you, I used to take Tommy seriously before dreams video, though I still hate dream regardless). If Tommy lied about that stuff with his mom- ew. And dream in general, plus if he’s lying about not saying that stuff- ew. I’m on no one’s side except for the girls who were called derogatory terms by dream, the people who were called the r slur by dream, and Ludwig for being dragged in for literally no reason except for ‘detective dream’ wanting him to talk about the situation in a video so people would be on his side. (Go watch Ludwig’s video y’all- these commentary channels are way too biased.
Ah, you’re being manipulated by Ludwig. Let me clear the air, in that case.
Ludwig was SO vague to Dream about his accusation of him calling someone a derogatory term, that not even HE knows who Ludwig was talking about. To this day.
Dream thought that he was talking about an accusation of him calling someone that word during the Gumball situation, hence the essay Dream made in response.
Dream has also stated that he does call friends of his (that are okay with it) those words as a joke, both male and female, while also saying he would never call anyone derogatory terms outside of that. I’m paraphrasing, but you get my point. How is it bad if it’s a mutual joke that both parties are completely okay with?
I feel like Ludwig was intentionally misframing the situation to everyone. The only thing his video proves is that he lacks a proper moral character, especially since he showed zero receipts.
If he had shown specifics of the conversation, people wouldn’t be NEARLY as angry over this, because (if Dream is to be believed) Dream was just clearing up false accusations to him.
But something tells me Ludwig knows this and wants to make Dream look as bad as possible.
im on Dream side, Tommy got no fucking proofs, but it's sure a terrible feeling when your's fav ytber become like this
People are already debunking dreams proofs I'm pretty sure 😂
@@meriewanderer may change in the future btw:)
@@meriewanderer still where is he harrased his mother part ?
tommys mother is replying twitter is bad idea duh
I’m on my own side
Atleast, bro is saying the truth!! 0:34
people need to leave the green man alone 😭 pretty much his entire career is the internet, so of course it’s a big deal when THE INTERNET is making it seem like he’s some horrible person that feeds off children or some biz. i’ll admit he makes mistakes, but everybody does. the stuff that regular people say on the internet are ten times worse than what he says, but because he’s popular, he gets flamed for it. imo he’s a regular guy that happens to be popular. treat him like it. WITH RESPECT
I don’t foresee this drama dying down any time soon. I feel like people are gonna flip flop on whose side they’re on until no one likes them. That’s where I’m at rn.
I have no word to say other than saying Tommy are more likely in his emotional spur without thinking critically when this happen
All I hear is teenager being fed by information and one sided bias by someone else. Does this mean he is malice for making that video? I don't think so.
tbh 50/50
How are you so fast 💀
No life
Who me ???😮
Dream high key cooked him tho.
Guess Tommy isn't mature enough yet. The dude just turned 20, he needs a lot of learning to do.
It looks like Tommy and Dream are in a real pickle right next. Which means they’re in a tea situation. I hope that things will get better between them soon. Honestly I’m not sure whose side I should be on. I hope that things will get better between them pretty soon.
A lot of people are TH-cam viewers so obviously dream looks better but he’s pretending he never said anything about Tommy which is untrue he just deleted it, he’s pretending Tommy had involvement in the merch company which is not true he didn’t know and it wasn’t proven they did that he just added that clip for dramatic effect, the editors also came out about the fact that Tommy did not freelance his fans and the one who got paid 50$ did not edit a full video for them , he also cherry picked the hell out of tubbo’s SEVEN hour stream after refusing to come on and actually talk about it after saying he would upon seeing tubbo was not on his side. Also of course Tommy said nice things about him when he was younger because he looked up to dream, there’s tons of people I used to look up to and realize wow they’re actually a horrible person, and dream has repeatedly held his career over Tommy’s head he even made an entire graph he posted to Twitter about his success and everyone was confused on if he was joking, he would do stuff like this and delete it or hide behind “haha just joking!” Lastly he says he had a problem w the pedo jokes but also played into it with talking about how 16 is the age of consent , repeatedly making “the sex book” and masturbation jokes to Tommy and also sexualizing tubbo’s sister with vikk
Holy yap fest
He literally dodged all his awful doings like they didn't happen
I feel like this all been done for views. Shouldve been private
I love both Dream and Tommyinnit, and i grew up with them, and as my request, just for my childhood, please, please dont stop being friends.. even if you two dont like each other, i like you both as ytubers, and…
👇People who are on Dreams side
I'm on neither side
It's just them having beef
Let them be
And this will only concern us if they decide to bring us in. Like when Dream called alot of people the Rword.
Hot take...what if neither of them are in the right and everyone should just do the trend where we should ignore everything they posted abt this drama-
Bro I take it back-Im on a side. Not saying which one-but I'm definitely on a side 💀
When I heard about the drama, I had a feeling this was coming, as both Dream and Tommy have stopped talking since the DSMP ended. And now, it's true feelings of each other have shown true color. I love Tommyinnit, and I know what he's trying to do, but however I have known Dream always being but in this situation and now, as much as I like Tommy, Dream made a good video posting evidence and facts of his side and it’s seems to me that it's all making more sense than Tommy's video, because he was only explaining his wlview without the evidence that helps his claim. So, all I could say is, Dream is not perfect and I know who he is sometimes, but he at least posted evidence and if this is actually true, then Tommy has to apologize this man. This situation is super complicated to handle.
gotta pay them bills mate. respect, respect.
Alr 3 vids now gotta respect the grind
bro idc abt the dream smp drama stuff but these vids are intriguing as
It honestly sounds to me like both of them are in the wrong and that they both have different views on what happened between them. Tommy should have given evidence, but I personally thought this was more of a message than a callout or exposing post. Doesn’t make it right, but that’s how I personally saw it. But honestly both of them had really good points
Its been like an hour or two since the video dropped
honestly, I'm not eager to trust anything Dream says, I mean he isn't exactly known for honesty. I mean look at his manhunts! He admitted he scripted them and edited in audio. He also faked speedruns. sorry dream, I'm out
oh damn really? when did he admit he scripted them?
He's too good at lying and making fake proofs for me to trust him
One day I wanna see a genuine apology from someone tbh
How much you wanna bet Jalyn isn’t going to cover the fact the majority of dreams video was debunked by Tubbo and other people
YOU STILL EXIST? I HAVENT HEARD OF YOU SINCE 2022 😭🙏
heard of dream drama and instantly came back
When tubbo was watching Tommy's response when tommy says dream and his friends were sexist tubbo agreed I think
Just go watch a vid and get Ur own opinion
sure but sexist to someone specifically or making sexist joke with friends?
Crazy how they hate eachother now but dream has done shot messed up things
i dont know who to trust no more, but dreams more, uh like trustable
Can just TH-camrs not do this, like everybody can see just do it privately
But I really respect the milking of the drama I mean with this economy
TH-cam isn't for me honestly, I'm leaving this Fandom. Like I love drama but this is just insaneeee at this point
I couldn’t careless about these two beefing. I am not starting the first month reading and listening to dramas
Another w TH-cam slop banger 🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥 Watches the whole thing + Like
Idk if dream got permission to share private messages but it’s illegal to do it without consent from the other person.
im too fried for this
Welcome to today's episode of TH-cam Drama.
Last time it was Mrbeast vs DogPack404, and now starting off 2025 TommyInnet and Dream going at it.
Guys TH-cam is better than this. You're better than this.
Didnt want to start 2025 with 2020 ppl drama
Honestly great milking, mad respect lmao, but doesn't a vid get monetized when it passes 8 min
Everyone doing these videos being on Dream's side as if he didnt start this himself
I feel Tommy has evidence, but he doesn't want to throw everything out at once. It's a technique use in court quite often
Source: it came to me in a dream
Source: trust me bro
Gives half the time of the last video and quarter of the effort
My opinion is they mess up Tummy, making lie about Dream Dreams didn't do and Dream say a R word about Tummy fan. So, no one, right
When you have drama with dream you might be cooked this guy will find everything bad you did and throw it at you