He could also use a lawyer who doesn't go on TV and give one story after another that all contradict the prior story. The man finally sat his arse down. Bruce would definitely be better than his lawyer
My heart goes out to the poor woman who found her fiancé and his friends dead in the yard. She was just looking for a loved one and stumbled on a scene out of a horror movie. I can’t imagine the terror and pain, I hope her and the rest of their families see justice and get time to heal.
They did drugs, it's on them. I took those risk, if I had died it would have been my fault. And I don't buy the coke angle, they where doing fetty on purpose.
I personally do not believe that girl at all, and it is possible that one of the deceased could of very well purchased and brought their own substance to go over chill out at Jordans,
@@jamie.777 Yeah, they were stupid enough to do the drugs. But I still think the chemist deserves the harshest punishment he can get. He done fucked up...Sad that he threw his life, education and his important job right down the toilet. As did the 3 guys. The 3 men's families probably didn't know they used drugs, so my heart goes out them. The gf-I don't know if she knew her fiance used. But either way, it is heart breaking that she was the one that found him.
My son passed November 11,2015 from heroin laced with fent. He didn't have a chance to get the fully loaded syringe out of his arm. He was burned 65% of his body in a house fire and got his grandma out but she passed a week after the fire while my son was in a coma in 2008. He couldn't not deal with the mental and physical pain and he tried heroin to relieve the pain and it killed him. I have learned so much about this drug and help those around my community.
My condolences on your loss, that's awful. He was so brave trying to save his Grandma's life. My old school friend passed from heroin, it's a scary but such a common drug. 😔 May your good memories of your son outweigh the grief. He is at peace now. ❤🙏🏼 *edited to fix auto correct spelling
@@RollingRoadEFI That's what you pick up on in a message to a woman who lost her son... But you're wrong, a heroine is actually a woman who's admired for many things, from Greek mythology to just today's definition. You're thinking only in comic books, you're rude and you've messaged me twice on two different threads. Not interested, muted you so more attempts to engage won't be seen...
Getting off hard drugs is the best thing that I’ve done for my life. I will have ten years sober in a few months! This case is so sad, my heart. My heart breaks for the families and friends of the deceased. May they all Rest In Peace
Congratulations! 🤗. . The hardest habit I've had to quit is cigs. I can only TRY TO imagine how much harder it would be to kick hard drugs. Sheesh! So...yeah...good job! 🤗
@@Anabee3 good for you, that’s a hard habit to quit and definitely something to be proud of. Honestly getting off heroin and opioids was tough but not the hardest thing that I have done and I wish I would have known this beforehand because I may have gotten off drugs much sooner than I did. I was always so scared of the withdrawal and getting sick to be willing to try to quit, but once I actually asked for real help from professionals, and they were able to monitor my symptoms and keep an eye on my progress and make sure that I was safe, that I was able to deal with the sickness and withdrawals and make it through to the other side. Just wish my younger brother was able to get the same help as I did but unfortunately he passed away 6 years ago. Thank you for your kind words, I truly appreciate them.
@@shutthefrontdoor733 OH MY GOSH!! You have endured SO SO MUCH HARSHNESS (& that's just what I know of!) I have so many thoughts r.n. but I feel like I've alrdy pryed/intruded too much. If I can just say tho, that I instantly imagined you desperately on your knees "BUT THERE'S WAY!! I KNOW A WAY! I WOULD HAVE HELD MY BROTHERS HAND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!!" Manoman. God must surely have his hand on you.
@@Anabee3 pry away, for I am no longer ashamed of what I once was and talking to others and telling my story is actually therapeutic for me in a way because if I can help just one person, then it was all worth it. I have learned that life isn’t fair and dwelling on the past or things we cannot change is bad for your mind and not worth your time anymore. It has shaped you into who you are today, and if you don’t like the person you are now, the great thing is you can change! It’s never too late to try.
Congratulations! You’re a few months away from a DECADE of hard work and true self love. You’re experiencing life after darkness and an inspiration that many need right now. I don’t know you personally and yet I’m still damn proud of you, I hope you’re proud of all your dedication to yourself and loved ones.
My experience working on my undergraduate degree in chemistry, is that there were two kinds of people studying chemistry, those who wanted to make explosives and those who wanted to make drugs.
Of course. A totally reasonable use of that knowledge. Pharma is big money. Legal drugs. Explosives are useful for all kinds of things. From mining to weapons. Plus other things adjacent to those. Supplying the desired molecules in the purities necessary to use in food or manufacture of goods. Now Agriculture? 100% drugs. And using chemistry to extract, distill, and process the desired molecules.
When I was a Chem major, work-study student in the dept office, one of my peers....an 'A' student in Advanced Oganic Synthesis, was arrested for "synthesizing" & selling acid.
It’s always sad. A waste of potential. A loss for all of the families, that will haunt them forever. It always does. There’s always someone important missing from events. Nothing is ever the same. Very sad.
Fking fentanyl ruined it for everyone. I have absolutely no problem with recreational use. I’m not even as mad at the “chemist” as most people. Those men chose to partake in what is now a WILDLY reckless act. I can pass some judgment by understanding from their loved ones prospective. My closest friend at the time was found dead by his granny (he called her that)… I didn’t and still don’t know who to be mad at. I’ve overdosed a few good times, but I can’t imagine blaming the person I made the exchange with. It just seems like once the person is no longer with us to accept responsibility, we all move to the next in line and hammer them with no mercy. It’s an outlet for emotions. I made my decisions, and so did my best friend. However, this is the EXACT reason I have not ever wanted to sell/give drugs to anyone. In the eyes of the people/law, you did this to them, and the only people speaking for the dead are biased friends and family. I’ve lived multiple angles of this scenario.
It’s sad three people lost their lives but somewhere their family has to understand they were adults, and they made the conscious decision to consume those items so they have some of the responsibility as well.
Yep tons of people die everyday from it. Its getting even worse with tranq dope thats coming out now. xylazine is a nasty drug it causes vasoconstriction so bad that people are getting necrotic holes in their arms and shit. Not to mention the fent analoges running around that are like 30x more potent. Its a goood time to be out of that game. @@Steve-ev6vx
You live a very sheltered life with low education then. I’m 50, travelling life long surfer around the darkest remote corners of the worldTHEN I worked for an airline another 17yrs. I have travelled more than most celebrities. Been to el sal NICA INDO Europe AUS etc. this is damn game of a story. Free jordan Willis!! Raise self accountability and stop blaming other grown men for other grown men’s decisions! Doesn’t matter who did bought sold or what. You think the ‘chemist’ grew the poppy plants and cocoa leaves and ground his own paste? Give me a break. STOP RUINING GOOD MENS LIVES FOR LAME MENS CHOICES. If anyone’s life needs to be saved it’s the chemist working on AIDS vaccines!! HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE. Save the chemist, his life was worth more anyways!
It’s all too common, I’m afraid. What makes this story notable is the suspect was a professional biochemist who put his skills to use for nefarious purposes. It’s not far from the fictional saga of Walter White. It’s really not any more sordid than a “normal” tragic tale of drug overdose, but the suspect makes it interesting.
I had a pool party once and I passed out and woke up and the next day everyone was still knocked out in front of my house. If it had been in freezing temperatures and someone had given us Fentanyl it might have ended the same. It may sound crazy but today all it takes is one time to get unlucky for someone who’s not known to do drugs to die from them.
This is what I was wondering, maybe they continue to do more and more after he passed out? I also think they probably bought it on the street. Doesn't seem like a chemist would create a drug strong enough to kill on purpose
@@bend8353compared to what? that’s still not viable for life for extended time. that’s like saying the knife that stabbed someone ain’t shit compared to the sharper knife that stabbed someone else; both are deadly.
I remember in Merdaugh trial, it took FBI over a year to get into iPhone, where they found video recorded shortly before murders, which solved victim's own murder.
That was actually the next weekend. This happened Jan 7th where the high was mid 40’s and low was mid 30’s… the following weekend was the frigid storm. It didn’t snow until Jan 9th which was 2 days after they had sadly died.
January Sunday +1°−2° 8 January Monday 0°−3° 9 January Tuesday +1°−3° This is what I copied after I googled the weather in Kansas City on Jan 7. I thought I remembered the news report mentioning about how cold it was.
I was working in a house in the same neighborhood that this happened. It was sub-zero temps. I had to use a hot air gun to thaw my wet-saw every morning. People I know carry fentynl test kits because its so shady out here and they can't trust what they think they have.
@@LUmaNotteNot not be insensitive but apparently it took quite a bit of time to thaw them. I’m almost positive that there was snow was on the ground too.
Years ago, a friend of mine was intoxicated and got into a fight with her boyfriend and then went walking off into a snowstorm. She died from hypothermia. So, when I heard about this case, I did not really think anything was that strange with these 3 guys dying outside. Because people don't really get how dangerous being outside in cold weather can be if you are not dressed for it.
For sure, but these guys had full access to a safe and warm house plus their own cars sitting in the driveway. They weren't restrained or forced to be outside and it wasn't SO cold they couldn't save themselves by walking a few feet. It was pretty obvious drugs were involved.
Jeez, you've brought back memeories. I once did a "trek America" around the continental states anti clockwise from New York and we camped in Minnasota in October, flippin heck it was cold!!
Its interesting that he didn't hear any phone calls, texts, people pounding on his door, but miraculously he jumps up and answers the door for the police 🤔
@@Steve-ev6vx yes but I think someone else was there trying to make contact very shortly before police so I think the comment is saying it's a bit odd how in such a short window of time things changed
He took the same drugs they did. He just happened to pass out, outside. It saved him. The 5th friend who took off at midnight, I'd suspect 1 of 2 scenarios. 1. He doesn't do drugs, so they didn't bust out the coca until after he left. Which explains why they didn't OD earlier in the night. Or, 2. He's the drug dealer.
Bruce still rocking the beard! I know dudes dont usually complement another mans beard. But brother you are wearing that thing very well! Also this is one strange case I'm intrigued how all this went down.
From day one the police has declared *no foul play and no criminal investigation is being conducted* LONG before they received any autopsy or TOX screen. They left the victim’s vehicles jacket, keys, wallet and cellphones at Jordan’s house after they collected the bodies so the police didn’t have any of the victims personal possessions to further their investigation. There was an empty pill bottle in the backpack and yet the cops didn’t collect that either!! I don’t think they planned on a full investigation until it became a viral story! Jordan moved out and eliminated any crime scene and he’s been checked into a rehab for a couple weeks now.
KCPD chief has a history of saying that they have no reason to suspect foul play at this time. Doesn’t mean that they don’t, it just means that’s the narrative they’re giving the TV crews. He could very well change his tune later if, as he says, “more information has come to light.”😂
The police said it wasn't being treated as a homicide. That wasn't journalists saying it on their own. That was before the toxicology came back, but they haven't said anything new since then.
Clothes are very important. Most people don’t understand this. My son found a job partially because he wore a shirt and tie to a temporary gig. Worked for them 10 years.
The relative giving the interview is impressive. His surface appearance could cause one to think he'd be a guy shouting "bro" a lot, driving drunk in a big truck, and saying, "fucking (this), and fucking (that)". Instead he is to the point but in a rational way, and despite being very clearly upset about his relative's death, he isn't demanding instant results, but rather grasps and articulates how important it is that the police take the time they need to do everything properly. Also: I like the frames of Bruce's specs.
That relative is a pathological liar, and highly likly to have been awake at lease 24 hours. You can tell by the vague details, mannerisms, jerky motions, scattered speech, etc.
Cannot even fathom the true shocking horror for the girlfriend who came searching for him on a freezing, bitterly cold day, turning the corner of the house and seeing her boyfriend and two others sitting in lawnchairs, in their underwear, frozen dead. Truly macabre. No wonder she was running away to her car, screaming. She thought it was chips, beer, nacos & subs football fan game-not junkies.
I know, this commentor is retahhded and conflating and mixing up 5 different details. None of the guys outside were in their underwear. They had their full jackets on and all. Only the guy jordan that loved answered the door to the cops in his underwear 2 days later when they did a check up looking for the missing guys. And finally how does a fiancé not know the soon to be hisband is a partier? . You get to marriage stage and still don’t know your partner does drugs? Highly doubt that but it’s typical the average bumbling idiot of the masses are dumb and lazy thinkers. Jordan Willis did not grow the coca leaves to make coke or grind the paste, he didn’t buy and mix precise chemicals to make fentanyl. That interview with cousin saying chemist was just an exaggeration of his job making it sound like he actually makes up these cocktails of narcos. Stop people, use your brains a second, there is a chain of custody of deals and sales down the line or middle men and dealers . It’s damn lazy hero syndrome of cops blaming the first person back in line in the chain of sales and close the case and call themselves hero’s. It’s pretty lazy and irresponsible of this or any cops that don’t do further research back about who’s cross contaminating the 2 different drugs. LASY HEROS WUICK TO CLOSE THE CASE. Grow up people, and SAVE JORDAN WILLIS!! The guy is a aids vaccine researcher!! For christs sake!! Get him rehab and no jail no probation nothing and get him back in a lab during disease and virus’s!!! He’s the most educated and smart and worthy and worthwhile human of anyone in the story! SAVE JORDAN - FREE JORDAN!
No, that's a torts concept, not a criminal law concept. It may (or may not) be a defense if he's sued, but it's not a defense with respect to the criminal charges. If something is illegal, that a victim permitted it isn't a defense.
That might have a small impact at sentencing, but it’s irrelevant to the law with which he’ll likely be charged. Even if they froze to death rather than dying from overdose, he’ll still be on the hook if he supplied them with illegal narcotics.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I do agree but that doesn’t mean it’s a LAZY LAW. Gives cops and detectives a very quick fast route to hero status. I call them lazy heros. The law doesn’t think down the line of chain of custody of the deals and sales. They stop at the first next person and call it a day and wrap it up. That damn irresponsible and lazy and selfish to quickly grab the hero status. Jordan Willis did not grow the cocoa leaves and grind the paste to make coke and didn’t mix or buy precursor chemicals to mae fentanyl and then poorly cross contaminated them. That was done many of hands down the line of chain of custody of the drug sales. Such lame pathetic weak lazy hero status grabbing barely GED educated cops. Makes me soo angry hearing these lame cops try to claim they solves something when they didn’t even do anything, truly. They didn’t come close to finding who’s got the ‘raw’ and who’s truly cross contaminated
I live in KC. You say it’s a more mild climate, and it is, but that weekend was exceptionally cold. They absolutely could have frozen. I’m talking below 0.
Your sartorial offering is very classy Bruce! I was waiting for you to get to this case and here it is! Thank you and thank you Michael Rivers, Content Genius!
I absolutely disagree that this is murder. As a heroin addict myself I would hate for my plug to get wrapped up on some bs charge because my dumbass wanted to go big or go home (heaven). I chose to play with my nose, I annoy tf outa my plug tryna cop some times how the hell is it HIS fault is I OD? Even if its cut with fent and he/I didn't know and I OD, it's still my decision to put ts in my body.
Agreed. And that’s coming from someone who lost a brother to an OD and I’ve come damn close myself enough times. “Read the directions before you show up to the party.”
Yeh I agree to but at the same time fent is killing. A lot of people and they’re hoping it will deter dealers from selling the stuff even though it isn’t - like at all
I’d love to see you do an update on the Idaho 4 murders. You’ve got the prosecutors and defense agreed to tear down the house, before a trial date has even been set. The defense wants to stretch out the trial date to at least the summer of 2025. The prosecution is willing to not use the main evidence, touch dna on the knife sheath. Something just seems fishy about the whole case, from both sides. But I’d love to hear your opinion on the whole situation!
In my drug addict opinion, I believe they got blow from the street, meant to do such blow and drink beer while watching the game. Pretty standard. Except as we all know, the fentanyl problem is ridiculous at the moment and dealers are putting it in EVERY drug. Not just heroin. So they OD’d on accident. Just my professional drug addict opinion. I don’t think him being a “scientist” has anything to do with it
Can you help me understand your comment better? I'm naive when it comes to drugs. Are the dealers "putting it in everything" knowing that those who buy it will die, or are they trying to make the "high" better? If no one can trust the fentanyl market, why are dealers messing with it at all? Thanks for any input!
Kansas Citian here 🙋♀️. The 3 men had three times the lethal level of fentanyl as well as THC and cocaine in their systems according to the toxicology reports.
The fact that they had three different drugs in their system is what’s odd to me. I doubt that anyone would decide to take three different drugs at once. It does seem like it was mixed up.
They likely had some fent and coke mixed in drink. Say beers. Then they were smoking pot laced with fent. they got off the street. It literally acted like an anesthetic drug and put them to sleep like you would go into a coma like state for surgery. you cannot move. you aren't aware you're cold. can't shiver. can't go inside. they got hypothermia from cool temps and possibly even cardiac issues and died. They wanted to chill out, and overdosed.
Likely fent and c0ke was used possibly mixed with drinking beer. They may have smoked fent laced p0t off the street. It was too much. 0D like...the combo acts like anesthetic and like coma. Like surgery. When you can't move or shiver or feel anything. They basically went into an 0D induced coma, they weren't able to shiver or realize they were cold and needed to get inside where it was warm and unalived. It may have even caused a cardiac issue or their lungs filled with fluid unable to breathe. It will all come out...
@@moongoddess8568I have over 7 different drugs in my system right now, benzos, opioids, amphetamine, pregabalin, thc, ketamine.. sooo.. not that uncommon, unfortunately
@@moongoddess8568 wrong. Recovering addict here and I had those three substances in my system just about everyday when I was using, and all three where on purpose. Most addicts are using fetty and meth. You have to take the uppers to be able to stay awake and enjoy the fetty..
Hi Bruce!! Boisegirl here!!! I just love your Grandma...and I love your beard!!!!!! I lived in Bloomington off Penn Ave and wish I could have met you when I lived there. My cousin is Pete Bercich, he played for the Vikings and coached a while too. I miss Minny...watching your show keeps me grounded...come to Boise sometime!!!
Really?! I grew up in Plattsburg and eventually lived on Quality Hill while I did college and clinicals in North KC for a few years. Nothing surprises me from people in KC or the surrounding areas. Nothing.
I understand why people go to rehab after a DUI or another tragedy and I also understand why you, Bruce, would advise them to go straight to rehab. In North Carolina. If you get a DUI you go straight to jail unless you go to rehab for seven days. It’s just a way people who are in trouble with the law to appear like they are serious about getting sober. But you know an addict will use again as soon as they get out of rehab if they are not 100% there for the right reason. I worked in psychiatry for most of my career and have seen some crazy stuff! Who knows, maybe one of my patients ended up as one of your clients! lol I think the fentanyl crisis is so out of control, and nobody cares when a homeless man dies when he is sleeping under a bridge, but these three young men will hopefully make people more aware that it can happen to them . God bless you Bruce. And by the way, I have one son and his name is Michael. ❤ I named him after the angel and he is amazing. I love Michael’s. ❤😅
Many people care when a homeless guy dies under a bridge. There are many programs to help the homeless. In this case we're talking about three young contributing members of society. Completely different story, no comparison.
Even the weekend warriors who would get a couple grams of coke once in a blue moon are dying. Fent is in everything. Don’t risk it and if you insist on risking it please please please test your stuff and have narcan on hand. Better you just avoid it altogether for sure though
I’m referred to as “chemist” in my friend group as well. I decided to pursue my PhD in chemistry, but like to throw down a few with my buds, doesn’t mean I’m a drug dealer. People can be chemists without making illegal drugs. He wasn’t even an organic chemist, probably biochemistry, meaning he is not some expert in synthesis.
I live in Kansas City, Mo and yes our temps are not usually that extreme. But at the time this happened we were getting hit by that artic blast. So the windshield was somewhere between -20 and -30 that day
If someone took the same drugs, it's possible to nearly die.. you're almost in anesthesia like state. Those outside couldn't shiver or move. The one inside, imho, just got lucky.
@@poorthing I know, right! Same over here, today. Even trimmed bushes in front yard...but hang on. Weather guys predicting cold returning beginning Monday, possibly "Arctic temps for The Great Lakes area in mid to late Feb!" Geesh, don't put away that snowshovel, yet!
I live in Kansas City and if I remember correctly, on/about January 9 it was definitely "freeze to death" weather here. A good chunk of January we were seeing high temperatures of -10 to -17 (which I think was our lowest high) and those were middle of the day temperatures with the sun shining. Nights were in the -20s, I think as low as in the -30s some nights. Our wind chills are also brutal and generally however cold it gets, you're gonna feel a good 10 or more degrees colder than that from them. Of course Minnesota is generally colder, but imo it's a bit of a misconception that Kansas winter could be called mild.
Also, funny story, I used to live in Montana and I remember my first year there everyone made a big deal to me about experiencing my First Montana Winter. The thing was, I lived in Missoula and it's basically a valley with mountains all around. There was very little wind and the air was dry. Even though the ambient temperature was on average lower in Missoula, it felt milder than Kansas City winters because in KC we have significant wind chills, and the moisture in the air can really slap you in the face. I imagine Minnesota has wind chills and moisture in the air too.
Taking illicit drugs is problematic because you don’t know what’s in it. I have severe chronic pain that impairs my ability to function. I see a board-certified doctor in pain management (which is basically someone trained in anesthesiology with a specialty in chronic and acute pain). I have been in on a Fentanyl patch for a number of years, which is a transdermal patch with a 72-hour delivery. I have been on the same dose, have never misused my medicine, and do not feel “high” at all; the medicine makes it possible for me to move and live life. The sad reality is that the people who are dying from fentanyl overdoses are not people who actually have a prescription from a trained doctor (and not for a pill mill or dealer). People who are obtaining drugs illegally have no idea what drugs they are actually taking - they have no idea what it is laced with (there are fillers used that are cheaper in cost that bulk up the volume). The vast majority of deaths linked to a fentanyl overdose are not people who obtained the drug legally for pain management, rather it is those using illicit means to obtain drugs for the purpose of getting high. Oftentimes, people will ingest drugs not knowing that drug they took was laced with fentanyl and other chemicals; sometimes people will take a pill they are offered at a party due to peer pressure or curiosity, even though they are not an avid drug user. Also, the effective and recommended dose of fentanyl is very very small. Equivalent doses of another narcotic is much larger which is what makes fentanyl laced drugs so dangerous, because people may be taking a potentially fatal dose in one pill (basically it’s like taking several milligrams of a drug that is dosed in micrograms!). This place is so sad and really disturbing. It’s not simply that these three men had overdoses, but the fact that “the chemist “was in his house for two days while three men lay frozen to death outside of his home. One of the victims was seated upright in , a chair on the patio. The other two men were found in the yard. I’ve seen pictures of the rental house and how visible the backyard is from the interior windows. Unless this “chemist “was high for 48 hours straight and who neglected to take his dogs out to relieve themselves, it is hard to imagine that he didn’t realize that his friends were dead outside. He, indeed is the one who supplied the drugs you should be prosecuted for second-degree murder.. I cannot imagine how heartbreaking it would be for the fiancé of one of the men to find her fiancé and his two best friends deceased in the backyard of someone’s house. By all accounts, the chemist was just laying around in his Cheetos-stained boxers!
I also have chronic pain, I’ve had over 50 surgeries. But I also was an addict before I got in to my horrific accident. So it’s ironic, bc in my case doctors RXing opioids wasn’t how I got hooked originally, (though that’s how my mother passed, she got in to a bad car accident when Oxy was new and they gave it out like candy, I was too young to know at the time and I wish someone told me as I don’t believe I would’ve tire something that killed my mother) most ppl did get hooked on opioids from getting an RX for something, or knowing someone with an RX & trying it, etc…then they started treating legit pain patients like criminals bc of the pill mills etc. The war on drugs is a joke, I wish we were taught anything useful about drugs as a kid in school. We’d have DARE and get ranted to about how bad weed was and it was a gateway drug etc. knowing plenty of successful people who smoked occasionally. I wish they told us that just bc it’s from a dr doesn’t mean it’s not extremely addictive. I had horrible anxiety, and I stole a hydro from my dad when I was like 14-15. It melted all of my anxiety away and I felt at peace for the first time in years. I had zero idea what I was getting myself in to. It was easy to find someone that sold them, and I legitimately thought it was fine bc they came from a dr lol. That eventually led me to harder and harder opis, though never IV. I was like 8mo clean when I got in such a bad accident I had to get airlifted to the nearest hospital for emergency surgeries. Obviously they had me on high doses of everything under the sun, and now I wouldn’t be able to function without opioids. Luckily I am on RX methadone which is a great painkiller and is perfect for me. It doesn’t last 24h for me, so I take a dose every 12h (as I’m RXd) but I remember when I switched from getting RXd by my surgeon to a pain clinic. It was horrible, I was treated like a junkie and often got snarky comments from drs or pharmacists as well. The war on drugs has caused some awful things, including the supply and demand for F to basically take over. Really sad.
It's why I applaud pragmatic approaches such as those in The Netherlands, where you can have your stuff tested anonymously/without repercussions. Government doesn't want you taking drugs, but people dying is even worse. During events, when a bad batch is signalled, they also put up warning signs that some of the stuff might be lethal and urge you to have it tested at conveniently placed spots on the event grounds. It shows understanding that you're often better off guiding people to safe use, than banning it and then looking away. I also understand it may look defeatist, but like I said: sometimes it's only a binary choice between people using safely and people using unsafely.
Trying to stave off a cold before I take the math part of my california teaching test Saturday. Thank you for a video to keep my mind off it for 5 minutes!
Oooo, yarrow tea? I've never heard of that. Would you mind elaborating about the tea ,please? I've only used honey, lemon, and vinegar for colds, but im always down for trying new things.@jennifersilves4195
The "Chemist" needs to call Bruce Rivers. He can use e-esign to be retained. And I'm pretty sure Bruce Rivers has reciprocity in that State.
He could also use a lawyer who doesn't go on TV and give one story after another that all contradict the prior story. The man finally sat his arse down. Bruce would definitely be better than his lawyer
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And he can wear Step One boxer briefs through his trial to keep his undercarriage free of chafing and his huevos cradled.
Also having a weird Mum DOES build character 😂🤟🏻
he couldn't afford him
My heart goes out to the poor woman who found her fiancé and his friends dead in the yard. She was just looking for a loved one and stumbled on a scene out of a horror movie. I can’t imagine the terror and pain, I hope her and the rest of their families see justice and get time to heal.
She will never unsee it😢
They did drugs, it's on them. I took those risk, if I had died it would have been my fault. And I don't buy the coke angle, they where doing fetty on purpose.
😂😂. Ppl get high, these 3 adult dopes bought the drugs and took them!! They died , there own fault.. stop with 😂the victim pathetic script
I personally do not believe that girl at all, and it is possible that one of the deceased could of very well purchased and brought their own substance to go over chill out at Jordans,
@@jamie.777 Yeah, they were stupid enough to do the drugs. But I still think the chemist deserves the harshest punishment he can get. He done fucked up...Sad that he threw his life, education and his important job right down the toilet. As did the 3 guys.
The 3 men's families probably didn't know they used drugs, so my heart goes out them. The gf-I don't know if she knew her fiance used. But either way, it is heart breaking that she was the one that found him.
My son passed November 11,2015 from heroin laced with fent. He didn't have a chance to get the fully loaded syringe out of his arm. He was burned 65% of his body in a house fire and got his grandma out but she passed a week after the fire while my son was in a coma in 2008. He couldn't not deal with the mental and physical pain and he tried heroin to relieve the pain and it killed him. I have learned so much about this drug and help those around my community.
May his soul rest in peace.
My condolences on your loss, that's awful. He was so brave trying to save his Grandma's life. My old school friend passed from heroin, it's a scary but such a common drug. 😔
May your good memories of your son outweigh the grief. He is at peace now. ❤🙏🏼 *edited to fix auto correct spelling
@@NicolaMaxwell Dumbdumb, heroine is a female hero.
@@RollingRoadEFI That's what you pick up on in a message to a woman who lost her son... But you're wrong, a heroine is actually a woman who's admired for many things, from Greek mythology to just today's definition. You're thinking only in comic books, you're rude and you've messaged me twice on two different threads. Not interested, muted you so more attempts to engage won't be seen...
@@NicolaMaxwell Did you really just Google it? Lol. Notice, synonym: Hero.
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha
Getting off hard drugs is the best thing that I’ve done for my life. I will have ten years sober in a few months! This case is so sad, my heart. My heart breaks for the families and friends of the deceased. May they all Rest In Peace
Congratulations! 🤗. . The hardest habit I've had to quit is cigs. I can only TRY TO imagine how much harder it would be to kick hard drugs. Sheesh! So...yeah...good job! 🤗
@@Anabee3 good for you, that’s a hard habit to quit and definitely something to be proud of. Honestly getting off heroin and opioids was tough but not the hardest thing that I have done and I wish I would have known this beforehand because I may have gotten off drugs much sooner than I did. I was always so scared of the withdrawal and getting sick to be willing to try to quit, but once I actually asked for real help from professionals, and they were able to monitor my symptoms and keep an eye on my progress and make sure that I was safe, that I was able to deal with the sickness and withdrawals and make it through to the other side. Just wish my younger brother was able to get the same help as I did but unfortunately he passed away 6 years ago. Thank you for your kind words, I truly appreciate them.
@@shutthefrontdoor733 OH MY GOSH!! You have endured SO SO MUCH HARSHNESS (& that's just what I know of!) I have so many thoughts r.n. but I feel like I've alrdy pryed/intruded too much. If I can just say tho, that I instantly imagined you desperately on your knees "BUT THERE'S WAY!! I KNOW A WAY! I WOULD HAVE HELD MY BROTHERS HAND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!!" Manoman. God must surely have his hand on you.
@@Anabee3 pry away, for I am no longer ashamed of what I once was and talking to others and telling my story is actually therapeutic for me in a way because if I can help just one person, then it was all worth it. I have learned that life isn’t fair and dwelling on the past or things we cannot change is bad for your mind and not worth your time anymore. It has shaped you into who you are today, and if you don’t like the person you are now, the great thing is you can change! It’s never too late to try.
Congratulations! You’re a few months away from a DECADE of hard work and true self love. You’re experiencing life after darkness and an inspiration that many need right now. I don’t know you personally and yet I’m still damn proud of you, I hope you’re proud of all your dedication to yourself and loved ones.
Having a CJ degree and being a fan of true crime I appreciate this channel. It's educational and funny without any sensational garbage.
Yes, well said. Especially about the "sensational garbage" 👍
Only sensational thing is uncle Bruce’s cuff links
@@intothemindshaft😂😂😂
The sensational bond between him and his son, also his wild grandmother 👵
I have 2 criminal justice degrees and teach speech classes.
“I’ve got my grandma in my basement, as you know,” I love the Bruce Rivers lore
Grandma Rivers always getting into something 😂😂
IKR, she's a firecracker! Lol
I want a compilation of all the e-sign grandma stories. She's a badass MF who knows not to self snitch.
She should write a book. She's got lots of great stories.
Never know what Grandma Rivers is up to. No wonder she's in the basement. No nursing home could handle her.
yeah but her grandson got a loose mouth @@BrickNewton
LMAOO Bruce Granny is always catching strays in that basement 😂😂😂😂😂
"Why don't you just grab a glass of wine and sit the fuck down?"😆🤣
Ya maybe not that either if you are an alcoholic &/or violent drunk-which so many are.
@@JasonSmith-pe5pyand maybe not that if your a violent sober
A great BR quote. 👏😂
All three had names with "on" as last syllable.
💯%those men were too old for such wrecklessness. Sad!
The weather in Kansas City on Jan 9th was -4 with a wind chill of -27
Why the hell would they be sitting outside in the first place?
@@thebluehotel426 trying to go home, but not having much luck even getting the car started
Perhaps the 'chemist' was knocked out too but survived because he wasn't exposed to the elements?
That's a good point. The others probably went outside for a smoke. And never came back in...
Exactly.
@@heidevanness2788 i had something slipped into my drink once and didn't wake up for 3 days. How i survived i've no clue yet am thankful.
100%
Bingo
"why dont you just have a glass of wine and go sit tf down" 😂😭
My experience working on my undergraduate degree in chemistry, is that there were two kinds of people studying chemistry, those who wanted to make explosives and those who wanted to make drugs.
Of course. A totally reasonable use of that knowledge. Pharma is big money. Legal drugs. Explosives are useful for all kinds of things. From mining to weapons. Plus other things adjacent to those. Supplying the desired molecules in the purities necessary to use in food or manufacture of goods.
Now Agriculture? 100% drugs. And using chemistry to extract, distill, and process the desired molecules.
Totally respect ur comment..because we all know it's true..
When I was a Chem major, work-study student in the dept office, one of my peers....an 'A' student in Advanced Oganic Synthesis, was arrested for "synthesizing" & selling acid.
😂😂😂 💣💥🧨💉💊😳
So which one are you
It's sad that someone who is doing such important, life-saving work, does something so utterly despicable.
I really feel sorry for the family of these men. What a stupid way to die at such young ages.
It’s always sad. A waste of potential. A loss for all of the families, that will haunt them forever. It always does. There’s always someone important missing from events. Nothing is ever the same. Very sad.
Fking fentanyl ruined it for everyone. I have absolutely no problem with recreational use. I’m not even as mad at the “chemist” as most people. Those men chose to partake in what is now a WILDLY reckless act. I can pass some judgment by understanding from their loved ones prospective. My closest friend at the time was found dead by his granny (he called her that)… I didn’t and still don’t know who to be mad at. I’ve overdosed a few good times, but I can’t imagine blaming the person I made the exchange with. It just seems like once the person is no longer with us to accept responsibility, we all move to the next in line and hammer them with no mercy. It’s an outlet for emotions. I made my decisions, and so did my best friend. However, this is the EXACT reason I have not ever wanted to sell/give drugs to anyone. In the eyes of the people/law, you did this to them, and the only people speaking for the dead are biased friends and family. I’ve lived multiple angles of this scenario.
Addiction is no discriminator to age, race, creed, background, education, or anything else. It will take anyone down to the depths of hell.
Dont do drugs mmmmkay
@@alchapwnexactly don’t do the drugs. It’s like they want to make them out to be so innocent in this. They chose as adults to do illegal drugs
It’s sad three people lost their lives but somewhere their family has to understand they were adults, and they made the conscious decision to consume those items so they have some of the responsibility as well.
That would be a defense in a civil case, but not a criminal case.
If I ever get in trouble with the law, I want you on my side!
Good thought but like Bruce says, if he defends you he charges a shit load of money.
@@66lwmorgan Very true. 🤔
“Have a glass of wine and sit the fuck down” 😂
This story was simply bizarre. I can't even.
Not really. Typical fetty story, this one just made the news. Most aren't even investigated.
Yep tons of people die everyday from it. Its getting even worse with tranq dope thats coming out now. xylazine is a nasty drug it causes vasoconstriction so bad that people are getting necrotic holes in their arms and shit. Not to mention the fent analoges running around that are like 30x more potent. Its a goood time to be out of that game. @@Steve-ev6vx
You live a very sheltered life with low education then. I’m 50, travelling life long surfer around the darkest remote corners of the worldTHEN I worked for an airline another 17yrs. I have travelled more than most celebrities. Been to el sal NICA INDO Europe AUS etc. this is damn game of a story. Free jordan Willis!! Raise self accountability and stop blaming other grown men for other grown men’s decisions! Doesn’t matter who did bought sold or what. You think the ‘chemist’ grew the poppy plants and cocoa leaves and ground his own paste? Give me a break. STOP RUINING GOOD MENS LIVES FOR LAME MENS CHOICES. If anyone’s life needs to be saved it’s the chemist working on AIDS vaccines!! HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE. Save the chemist, his life was worth more anyways!
It’s all too common, I’m afraid. What makes this story notable is the suspect was a professional biochemist who put his skills to use for nefarious purposes. It’s not far from the fictional saga of Walter White. It’s really not any more sordid than a “normal” tragic tale of drug overdose, but the suspect makes it interesting.
Not really it's just jordan lying giving bullshit story to the cops
That guy doing the news interview had a buzz goin
Sure looked that way!
I had a pool party once and I passed out and woke up and the next day everyone was still knocked out in front of my house. If it had been in freezing temperatures and someone had given us Fentanyl it might have ended the same. It may sound crazy but today all it takes is one time to get unlucky for someone who’s not known to do drugs to die from them.
This is what I was wondering, maybe they continue to do more and more after he passed out? I also think they probably bought it on the street. Doesn't seem like a chemist would create a drug strong enough to kill on purpose
@@CC12398 I really don’t think it was on purpose. I sure hope not.
@moongoddess8568 no matter what, it certainly no doubt was not on purpose, but I'm not convinced he actually made it..
@@CC12398 Everyone makes mistakes. It just so happens if your creating drugs in a homemade lab your mistakes might kill people.
I mean this guy sounds like a weirdo but it doesn’t take a PHD egomaniac fake pharmacist to get tricked into taking something that can kill you.
We had subzero weather during those days.
And Blizzard conditions our winters get so bad anymore -25 wind-chill will mess someone up
Still aint shit compared
@@bend8353compared to what? that’s still not viable for life for extended time. that’s like saying the knife that stabbed someone ain’t shit compared to the sharper knife that stabbed someone else; both are deadly.
@@bend8353the argument could be made that being unusual, the weather was even more deadly.
I thought I heard the weather was very cold. Wasn't there even some snow on the ground?
I remember in Merdaugh trial, it took FBI over a year to get into iPhone, where they found video recorded shortly before murders, which solved victim's own murder.
“Don’t disappoint your family with your death… fucking not cool!” 😂
I work in KC and the week this happened the day time temp was in the - Teens and -20s F
That was actually the next weekend. This happened Jan 7th where the high was mid 40’s and low was mid 30’s… the following weekend was the frigid storm. It didn’t snow until Jan 9th which was 2 days after they had sadly died.
Wrong week. You’re thinking of 7 days later.
January
Sunday
+1°−2°
8 January
Monday
0°−3°
9 January
Tuesday
+1°−3°
This is what I copied after I googled the weather in Kansas City on Jan 7. I thought I remembered the news report mentioning about how cold it was.
I was working in a house in the same neighborhood that this happened. It was sub-zero temps. I had to use a hot air gun to thaw my wet-saw every morning.
People I know carry fentynl test kits because its so shady out here and they can't trust what they think they have.
@@LUmaNotteNot not be insensitive but apparently it took quite a bit of time to thaw them. I’m almost positive that there was snow was on the ground too.
This is the best channel on TH-cam. I guarantee that if you look at the stats, most people watch these videos all the way through
I am so glad Bruce the Boss is covering this case.
Why? He just literally runs with the safest most generic mainstream narrative possible.
@@BigMacOrange What is the "narrative" here...?
@@BigMacOrange let me guess, you think he's afraid of 'cancel culture'?
The boss 😆
@@BigMacOrange if you feel that way why do you show up to comment? seems like you could use your time better than that.
I hope you keep updating us and covering this case Bruce. It’s so tragic and heartbreaking but also very cautionary.
Grandma gets thrown under the bus a lot. 😂
IKR? Even Bruce calls her "sketchy". 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂🤣❤️
He stole that line. Tom Nash stock channel had the uncle story for years. There’s other lawyer channels did it years ago. Bruce is colying
But yet is still driving it somehow 🤣
@@hoopslaa5235it works doesn’t it?
Years ago, a friend of mine was intoxicated and got into a fight with her boyfriend and then went walking off into a snowstorm. She died from hypothermia. So, when I heard about this case, I did not really think anything was that strange with these 3 guys dying outside. Because people don't really get how dangerous being outside in cold weather can be if you are not dressed for it.
For sure, but these guys had full access to a safe and warm house plus their own cars sitting in the driveway. They weren't restrained or forced to be outside and it wasn't SO cold they couldn't save themselves by walking a few feet. It was pretty obvious drugs were involved.
They didn’t die from freezing. It was drugs laced with fentanyl!!!!!
You need to do a follow up on the Crumbly verdict. Also, so glad you covered this one!
I 2nd that
Jennifer Crumbley has a sentencing date of April 9, 2024 at 9am.
James Crumbley goes on trial the beginning of March 2024.
That law-enforcement did not treat this home as a crime scene and gather evidence is abhorrent
Evidence fhat theres wwaayy more to this story
Thank you Michael & Bruce for covering this case. Please stay on it & keep us informed. Looking forward to the next video.
Jeez, you've brought back memeories. I once did a "trek America" around the continental states anti clockwise from New York and we camped in Minnasota in October, flippin heck it was cold!!
Had a group of Irish girls with us....they'd brought their bikinis....no word of a lie....they were a wee bit shocked.
I’m so glad you finally covering this!!!!
Was waiting for it
Its interesting that he didn't hear any phone calls, texts, people pounding on his door, but miraculously he jumps up and answers the door for the police 🤔
He was knocked out on fetty
Funny how that works, eh?
@@Steve-ev6vx yes but I think someone else was there trying to make contact very shortly before police so I think the comment is saying it's a bit odd how in such a short window of time things changed
He took the same drugs they did. He just happened to pass out, outside. It saved him.
The 5th friend who took off at midnight, I'd suspect 1 of 2 scenarios.
1. He doesn't do drugs, so they didn't bust out the coca until after he left. Which explains why they didn't OD earlier in the night.
Or, 2. He's the drug dealer.
I love how Bruce just cuts through the bullshit that the media barfs out.
Thanks Michael for finding the great content!
Michael 😂is nothing, his idea 💡 is 2 week old news . Michael failed the bar exam, relegated to Bruce's towel boy 😂😂
@@jamie.777 you seem upset online over nothing at all. you okay? need help?
@@JustMe-fo4ev 🤫Shhh... Don't feed the troll. Probabably just upset he's in his mom's basement (just like grandma Rivers).
That weekend Kansas City wind chill was -5°
Bruce still rocking the beard! I know dudes dont usually complement another mans beard. But brother you are wearing that thing very well! Also this is one strange case I'm intrigued how all this went down.
Dudes usually do compliment other dudes beards
I agree about his beard. Bruce looks very handsome and elegant with his beard.
It’s funny because my boyfriend constantly has other men complimenting his mustache every time we go out 😂
The brother handled those questions professional, respectful, and most importantly, did not lead the witness (public). The provider is responsible.
The brother sounded like he was deflecting. I bet he was the original dealer.
@@Steve-ev6vx weak troll is weak
From day one the police has declared *no foul play and no criminal investigation is being conducted* LONG before they received any autopsy or TOX screen. They left the victim’s vehicles jacket, keys, wallet and cellphones at Jordan’s house after they collected the bodies so the police didn’t have any of the victims personal possessions to further their investigation. There was an empty pill bottle in the backpack and yet the cops didn’t collect that either!! I don’t think they planned on a full investigation until it became a viral story! Jordan moved out and eliminated any crime scene and he’s been checked into a rehab for a couple weeks now.
KCPD chief has a history of saying that they have no reason to suspect foul play at this time. Doesn’t mean that they don’t, it just means that’s the narrative they’re giving the TV crews. He could very well change his tune later if, as he says, “more information has come to light.”😂
That was just misdirection...psy-ops
Love how refreshingly down to earth Bruce is. ❤
That is his Irishness
The police said it wasn't being treated as a homicide. That wasn't journalists saying it on their own. That was before the toxicology came back, but they haven't said anything new since then.
Very true
Accidental overdose.
It's not a homicide. These are happening everyday and this is only getting media attention for some dumb reasons.
Bad doser of Fentanyl? Not into metric system?
5:38 so they need to start investigating these scientist lol and people keep wondering where all these drugs are coming from cause they’re making them
Bruce Rivers and his sketchy Grandmother are awesome 👏 lmao 🤣
Bruce is looking pretty damn flashy in his Gordon Gekko power shirt!👍
Clothes are very important. Most people don’t understand this. My son found a job partially because he wore a shirt and tie to a temporary gig. Worked for them 10 years.
If you don’t think Kansas City has cold winters.. lol.
The relative giving the interview is impressive.
His surface appearance could cause one to think he'd be a guy shouting "bro" a lot,
driving drunk in a big truck, and saying, "fucking (this), and fucking (that)".
Instead he is to the point but in a rational way, and despite being very clearly upset about his relative's death, he isn't demanding instant results, but rather grasps and articulates how important it is that the police take the time they need to do everything properly.
Also: I like the frames of Bruce's specs.
What that relative ISN’T telling you is that it has been reported that his cousin holds a current pharmaceutical license. 😮
@@alohaannie5076Dang.
Also David was arrested in Colorado in 2011 for Schedule 2 Drugs Which is Opioids.
That relative is a pathological liar, and highly likly to have been awake at lease 24 hours. You can tell by the vague details, mannerisms, jerky motions, scattered speech, etc.
your bar is very low. he should have been reporting his relative for taking drugs from an alleged chemist and not shou5ing "bro".
Cannot even fathom the true shocking horror for the girlfriend who came searching for him on a freezing, bitterly cold day, turning the corner of the house and seeing her boyfriend and two others sitting in lawnchairs, in their underwear, frozen dead. Truly macabre. No wonder she was running away to her car, screaming. She thought it was chips, beer, nacos & subs football fan game-not junkies.
Stop calling people who use drugs "junkies." So gross.
They were in their underwear😊?
@@caseyw.6550sounds like you might be a junkie.
I know, this commentor is retahhded and conflating and mixing up 5 different details. None of the guys outside were in their underwear. They had their full jackets on and all. Only the guy jordan that loved answered the door to the cops in his underwear 2 days later when they did a check up looking for the missing guys. And finally how does a fiancé not know the soon to be hisband is a partier? . You get to marriage stage and still don’t know your partner does drugs? Highly doubt that but it’s typical the average bumbling idiot of the masses are dumb and lazy thinkers. Jordan Willis did not grow the coca leaves to make coke or grind the paste, he didn’t buy and mix precise chemicals to make fentanyl. That interview with cousin saying chemist was just an exaggeration of his job making it sound like he actually makes up these cocktails of narcos. Stop people, use your brains a second, there is a chain of custody of deals and sales down the line or middle men and dealers . It’s damn lazy hero syndrome of cops blaming the first person back in line in the chain of sales and close the case and call themselves hero’s. It’s pretty lazy and irresponsible of this or any cops that don’t do further research back about who’s cross contaminating the 2 different drugs. LASY HEROS WUICK TO CLOSE THE CASE. Grow up people, and SAVE JORDAN WILLIS!! The guy is a aids vaccine researcher!! For christs sake!! Get him rehab and no jail no probation nothing and get him back in a lab during disease and virus’s!!! He’s the most educated and smart and worthy and worthwhile human of anyone in the story! SAVE JORDAN - FREE JORDAN!
@caseyw.6550 Are offended by 'ice cream junkie"? The word is descriptive of an addict.
Ahhh! I've been waiting patiently for the update video of the mom who was just found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.😅
Me too 😅
I kinda wish people would hold these guys at least a little bit accountable. They’re adults, husbands, dads, and they CHOSE to do drugs.
You have to take into account contributory negligence. He didn't force it down their throats.
No, that's a torts concept, not a criminal law concept. It may (or may not) be a defense if he's sued, but it's not a defense with respect to the criminal charges. If something is illegal, that a victim permitted it isn't a defense.
I agree but quality control is responsibility of supplier
Exactly. So glad other people like you can see that.
That might have a small impact at sentencing, but it’s irrelevant to the law with which he’ll likely be charged. Even if they froze to death rather than dying from overdose, he’ll still be on the hook if he supplied them with illegal narcotics.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I do agree but that doesn’t mean it’s a LAZY LAW. Gives cops and detectives a very quick fast route to hero status. I call them lazy heros. The law doesn’t think down the line of chain of custody of the deals and sales. They stop at the first next person and call it a day and wrap it up. That damn irresponsible and lazy and selfish to quickly grab the hero status. Jordan Willis did not grow the cocoa leaves and grind the paste to make coke and didn’t mix or buy precursor chemicals to mae fentanyl and then poorly cross contaminated them. That was done many of hands down the line of chain of custody of the drug sales. Such lame pathetic weak lazy hero status grabbing barely GED educated cops. Makes me soo angry hearing these lame cops try to claim they solves something when they didn’t even do anything, truly. They didn’t come close to finding who’s got the ‘raw’ and who’s truly cross contaminated
I live in KC. You say it’s a more mild climate, and it is, but that weekend was exceptionally cold. They absolutely could have frozen. I’m talking below 0.
BRUCE I wanted to go to sleep man i wrote my lady an hour ago that i will :( now i gotta sit here for twenty additional minutes to watch it :)
🙋🏻♀️
KC had a historic arctic blast that week. they played the Dolphins a few days later and the windchills got down to -40
Whoa😮
As a dolphins fan... it was brutal
I can concur..I leave close to KC and I couldn't believe how cold it was and that people were even outside doing anything!@@Gradymeister
Another great broadcast from Bruce and content genius Michael. Thanks!
Love the grandma stories. I look forward to hearing them!! 😅😂🤣🤗💜💝🙌🏽🫶🏾
Mr. Willis is no Johnny Depp sir! Lol
I think he was thinking of Charlie Sheen LOL
I was thinking The Dude from The Big Lebowski ... except he would've opened the door with a glass of white Russian
Murdaugh made that same play prior to arrest: treatment center.
Just stalling the inevitable.
Great job. Bruce and Michael, Content Genius ❤
Your sartorial offering is very classy Bruce! I was waiting for you to get to this case and here it is! Thank you and thank you Michael Rivers, Content Genius!
I absolutely disagree that this is murder. As a heroin addict myself I would hate for my plug to get wrapped up on some bs charge because my dumbass wanted to go big or go home (heaven). I chose to play with my nose, I annoy tf outa my plug tryna cop some times how the hell is it HIS fault is I OD? Even if its cut with fent and he/I didn't know and I OD, it's still my decision to put ts in my body.
Agreed. And that’s coming from someone who lost a brother to an OD and I’ve come damn close myself enough times. “Read the directions before you show up to the party.”
Yeh I agree to but at the same time fent is killing. A lot of people and they’re hoping it will deter dealers from selling the stuff even though it isn’t - like at all
Bruce is the best! A realitst with common sense who just speaks truths. I truly admire him and his son is a lucky guy.
Been wanting your input. Thank you
I’d love to see you do an update on the Idaho 4 murders. You’ve got the prosecutors and defense agreed to tear down the house, before a trial date has even been set. The defense wants to stretch out the trial date to at least the summer of 2025. The prosecution is willing to not use the main evidence, touch dna on the knife sheath. Something just seems fishy about the whole case, from both sides. But I’d love to hear your opinion on the whole situation!
In my drug addict opinion, I believe they got blow from the street, meant to do such blow and drink beer while watching the game. Pretty standard. Except as we all know, the fentanyl problem is ridiculous at the moment and dealers are putting it in EVERY drug. Not just heroin. So they OD’d on accident. Just my professional drug addict opinion. I don’t think him being a “scientist” has anything to do with it
Can you help me understand your comment better? I'm naive when it comes to drugs. Are the dealers "putting it in everything" knowing that those who buy it will die, or are they trying to make the "high" better? If no one can trust the fentanyl market, why are dealers messing with it at all? Thanks for any input!
That might be the chemist's defense
@@mchammer1836but why let 3 dead guys sit in your backyard for days instead of calling the cops
@@Poatan.chama. Because the Chemist didn't know they were there? Possibly because he was so caught up in his drug addiction.
I wonder if they smoke a laced blunt outside. Maybe the cops found it, and that's why it's "100%" not a homicide investigation.
That cousin.
If you know that a guy makes drugs - why are you not reporting him?! 😮
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Snitch? 😂 That guy's looks and sounds like an addict too.
Kansas Citian here 🙋♀️. The 3 men had three times the lethal level of fentanyl as well as THC and cocaine in their systems according to the toxicology reports.
The fact that they had three different drugs in their system is what’s odd to me. I doubt that anyone would decide to take three different drugs at once. It does seem like it was mixed up.
They likely had some fent and coke mixed in drink. Say beers. Then they were smoking pot laced with fent. they got off the street. It literally acted like an anesthetic drug and put them to sleep like you would go into a coma like state for surgery. you cannot move. you aren't aware you're cold. can't shiver. can't go inside. they got hypothermia from cool temps and possibly even cardiac issues and died. They wanted to chill out, and overdosed.
Likely fent and c0ke was used possibly mixed with drinking beer. They may have smoked fent laced p0t off the street. It was too much. 0D like...the combo acts like anesthetic and like coma. Like surgery. When you can't move or shiver or feel anything. They basically went into an 0D induced coma, they weren't able to shiver or realize they were cold and needed to get inside where it was warm and unalived. It may have even caused a cardiac issue or their lungs filled with fluid unable to breathe. It will all come out...
@@moongoddess8568I have over 7 different drugs in my system right now, benzos, opioids, amphetamine, pregabalin, thc, ketamine.. sooo.. not that uncommon, unfortunately
@@moongoddess8568 wrong. Recovering addict here and I had those three substances in my system just about everyday when I was using, and all three where on purpose. Most addicts are using fetty and meth. You have to take the uppers to be able to stay awake and enjoy the fetty..
Hi Bruce!! Boisegirl here!!! I just love your Grandma...and I love your beard!!!!!! I lived in Bloomington off Penn Ave and wish I could have met you when I lived there. My cousin is Pete Bercich, he played for the Vikings and coached a while too. I miss Minny...watching your show keeps me grounded...come to Boise sometime!!!
as a KC native and a chiefs fan this is wild!
Really?! I grew up in Plattsburg and eventually lived on Quality Hill while I did college and clinicals in North KC for a few years. Nothing surprises me from people in KC or the surrounding areas. Nothing.
I understand why people go to rehab after a DUI or another tragedy and I also understand why you, Bruce, would advise them to go straight to rehab. In North Carolina. If you get a DUI you go straight to jail unless you go to rehab for seven days. It’s just a way people who are in trouble with the law to appear like they are serious about getting sober. But you know an addict will use again as soon as they get out of rehab if they are not 100% there for the right reason. I worked in psychiatry for most of my career and have seen some crazy stuff! Who knows, maybe one of my patients ended up as one of your clients! lol
I think the fentanyl crisis is so out of control, and nobody cares when a homeless man dies when he is sleeping under a bridge, but these three young men will hopefully make people more aware that it can happen to them . God bless you Bruce. And by the way, I have one son and his name is Michael. ❤
I named him after the angel and he is amazing. I love Michael’s. ❤😅
Many people care when a homeless guy dies under a bridge. There are many programs to help the homeless. In this case we're talking about three young contributing members of society. Completely different story, no comparison.
I'm so glad that style of glasses is back!
Thank you for covering this case!!!! I’m from Missouri and this case has been concerning since its conception!
Even the weekend warriors who would get a couple grams of coke once in a blue moon are dying. Fent is in everything. Don’t risk it and if you insist on risking it please please please test your stuff and have narcan on hand. Better you just avoid it altogether for sure though
It feels like warfare. Terrible. Seriously, just say no.
Everyone I know that died was doing it on purpose
In KC on those days we had record breaking below zero temperatures with wind chills in the negative 20’s-30’s.
Thanks for reviewing this case, Bruce.
I’m referred to as “chemist” in my friend group as well. I decided to pursue my PhD in chemistry, but like to throw down a few with my buds, doesn’t mean I’m a drug dealer. People can be chemists without making illegal drugs. He wasn’t even an organic chemist, probably biochemistry, meaning he is not some expert in synthesis.
Gotta love grandma 😂
I'm just here to check up on grandma.
What would we do if Grandma was suddenly no longer mentioned? Sus
Gramma is the boss. 💪🏻
Does he really have a grandma alive ? His grandma or his sons ?
I live in Kansas City, Mo and yes our temps are not usually that extreme. But at the time this happened we were getting hit by that artic blast. So the windshield was somewhere between -20 and -30 that day
Whoa😢
😂😅 Windshield
Just say NO!!!
Well it's 2024, Americans are victims and pusssies. We can't ever be held accountable for putting drugs in our own bodies
"have a drink of wine and sit the fuck down"🎉 i love it, i think I'll use that one😂
What was so horrifying about this case was that these poor schlubs were dead in the yard, and what? The chemist didn't know? Was he on a bender? WTAF?
I CAN SEE IF HE WAS USING How IT CAN HAPPEN, DID ENOUGH PILLS YRS AGO ,YOUR ASS CAN BE OUT THE LOOP FOR 2 DAYS EASY , BATHROOM BED
Bruce turned out to be such a great guy despite his wild Grandma's crazy antics. Way to break the cycle Bruce!
Glad you are on this one! So sad!
So good to see you tonight..stay handsome. And thanks for your analysis on this confusing situation..❤
Your style of speaking appeals to me. I fully understand the material. I appreciate your messages at the end about being careful with the unknown.
Sad that 3 lives were lost, RIP.
'innocent'
Explain
@@kswn they willingly took the drugs knowing the possible outcomes. Are we as adults not to be responsible for our own actions?
ANYTHING with fetanol in it is definitely LIFE THREATENING..NOT TO BE MESSED WITH PEOPLE!@@erickillian3349
Better be cool with Grandma,she won't cook no more home made pies!😂😂
Hey Bruce I heard that he claimed he was asleep for two days #really love the content Bruce my brother is a lawyer as well
If someone took the same drugs, it's possible to nearly die.. you're almost in anesthesia like state. Those outside couldn't shiver or move. The one inside, imho, just got lucky.
Yeah I believe it could happen. Sleeping for an entire day, plus the night before and the morning after. Sure. When you’re loaded.
I just slept almost 50 hours because of drugs. Only up for peeing a few times. Soo…
That’s exactly what I’m doing, got a glass of red & sitting in my favourite spot & listening to Bruce 🍷
we love the videos keep up the great work!
I’ve been waiting for coverage of this story. Bruce never fails.
Yeah, that entire week in KC & much of the country was experiencing Arctic -teens temps, here in NW Indiana too.
Absolutely correct! Subzero temps in Northern Indiana that weekend!
@@cassandrawright-mq5kp and today we had 60° ! craziest winter yet
I shoveled snow 2-3 days all winter-
I never know what to expect
@@poorthing I know, right! Same over here, today. Even trimmed bushes in front yard...but hang on. Weather guys predicting cold returning beginning Monday, possibly "Arctic temps for The Great Lakes area in mid to late Feb!" Geesh, don't put away that snowshovel, yet!
@@cassandrawright-mq5kp stay safe!
I'm in Porter County, close to beautiful Lake Michigan
@@poorthing you too! St. Joe, here. Either way, we're both in 'White Out' conditions!
Watching from England UK; absolutely love your content. This case is intriguing.
Kansas City is cold af lol
I live in Kansas City and if I remember correctly, on/about January 9 it was definitely "freeze to death" weather here. A good chunk of January we were seeing high temperatures of -10 to -17 (which I think was our lowest high) and those were middle of the day temperatures with the sun shining. Nights were in the -20s, I think as low as in the -30s some nights. Our wind chills are also brutal and generally however cold it gets, you're gonna feel a good 10 or more degrees colder than that from them.
Of course Minnesota is generally colder, but imo it's a bit of a misconception that Kansas winter could be called mild.
Also, funny story, I used to live in Montana and I remember my first year there everyone made a big deal to me about experiencing my First Montana Winter. The thing was, I lived in Missoula and it's basically a valley with mountains all around. There was very little wind and the air was dry. Even though the ambient temperature was on average lower in Missoula, it felt milder than Kansas City winters because in KC we have significant wind chills, and the moisture in the air can really slap you in the face.
I imagine Minnesota has wind chills and moisture in the air too.
Lovin Grannie Rivers more every episode. ❤
Taking illicit drugs is problematic because you don’t know what’s in it. I have severe chronic pain that impairs my ability to function. I see a board-certified doctor in pain management (which is basically someone trained in anesthesiology with a specialty in chronic and acute pain). I have been in on a Fentanyl patch for a number of years, which is a transdermal patch with a 72-hour delivery. I have been on the same dose, have never misused my medicine, and do not feel “high” at all; the medicine makes it possible for me to move and live life. The sad reality is that the people who are dying from fentanyl overdoses are not people who actually have a prescription from a trained doctor (and not for a pill mill or dealer). People who are obtaining drugs illegally have no idea what drugs they are actually taking - they have no idea what it is laced with (there are fillers used that are cheaper in cost that bulk up the volume). The vast majority of deaths linked to a fentanyl overdose are not people who obtained the drug legally for pain management, rather it is those using illicit means to obtain drugs for the purpose of getting high. Oftentimes, people will ingest drugs not knowing that drug they took was laced with fentanyl and other chemicals; sometimes people will take a pill they are offered at a party due to peer pressure or curiosity, even though they are not an avid drug user. Also, the effective and recommended dose of fentanyl is very very small. Equivalent doses of another narcotic is much larger which is what makes fentanyl laced drugs so dangerous, because people may be taking a potentially fatal dose in one pill (basically it’s like taking several milligrams of a drug that is dosed in micrograms!).
This place is so sad and really disturbing. It’s not simply that these three men had overdoses, but the fact that “the chemist “was in his house for two days while three men lay frozen to death outside of his home. One of the victims was seated upright in , a chair on the patio. The other two men were found in the yard. I’ve seen pictures of the rental house and how visible the backyard is from the interior windows. Unless this “chemist “was high for 48 hours straight and who neglected to take his dogs out to relieve themselves, it is hard to imagine that he didn’t realize that his friends were dead outside. He, indeed is the one who supplied the drugs you should be prosecuted for second-degree murder.. I cannot imagine how heartbreaking it would be for the fiancé of one of the men to find her fiancé and his two best friends deceased in the backyard of someone’s house. By all accounts, the chemist was just laying around in his Cheetos-stained boxers!
I also have chronic pain, I’ve had over 50 surgeries. But I also was an addict before I got in to my horrific accident. So it’s ironic, bc in my case doctors RXing opioids wasn’t how I got hooked originally, (though that’s how my mother passed, she got in to a bad car accident when Oxy was new and they gave it out like candy, I was too young to know at the time and I wish someone told me as I don’t believe I would’ve tire something that killed my mother) most ppl did get hooked on opioids from getting an RX for something, or knowing someone with an RX & trying it, etc…then they started treating legit pain patients like criminals bc of the pill mills etc.
The war on drugs is a joke, I wish we were taught anything useful about drugs as a kid in school. We’d have DARE and get ranted to about how bad weed was and it was a gateway drug etc. knowing plenty of successful people who smoked occasionally. I wish they told us that just bc it’s from a dr doesn’t mean it’s not extremely addictive. I had horrible anxiety, and I stole a hydro from my dad when I was like 14-15. It melted all of my anxiety away and I felt at peace for the first time in years. I had zero idea what I was getting myself in to.
It was easy to find someone that sold them, and I legitimately thought it was fine bc they came from a dr lol. That eventually led me to harder and harder opis, though never IV. I was like 8mo clean when I got in such a bad accident I had to get airlifted to the nearest hospital for emergency surgeries. Obviously they had me on high doses of everything under the sun, and now I wouldn’t be able to function without opioids. Luckily I am on RX methadone which is a great painkiller and is perfect for me. It doesn’t last 24h for me, so I take a dose every 12h (as I’m RXd) but I remember when I switched from getting RXd by my surgeon to a pain clinic. It was horrible, I was treated like a junkie and often got snarky comments from drs or pharmacists as well.
The war on drugs has caused some awful things, including the supply and demand for F to basically take over. Really sad.
It's why I applaud pragmatic approaches such as those in The Netherlands, where you can have your stuff tested anonymously/without repercussions. Government doesn't want you taking drugs, but people dying is even worse.
During events, when a bad batch is signalled, they also put up warning signs that some of the stuff might be lethal and urge you to have it tested at conveniently placed spots on the event grounds.
It shows understanding that you're often better off guiding people to safe use, than banning it and then looking away. I also understand it may look defeatist, but like I said: sometimes it's only a binary choice between people using safely and people using unsafely.
Supposedly, the dogs weren't there that weekend.
Trying to stave off a cold before I take the math part of my california teaching test Saturday. Thank you for a video to keep my mind off it for 5 minutes!
It might be a little late, but a yarrow tea typically can sweat that thing out in a day or so.
Good luck on your test, and I hope you feel better soon! Stay hydrated & get plenty of sleep. 👍
Good luck! You got this.💪🏼
Oooo, yarrow tea? I've never heard of that. Would you mind elaborating about the tea ,please? I've only used honey, lemon, and vinegar for colds, but im always down for trying new things.@jennifersilves4195
Is it graded or pass fail? Because if it’s the latter don’t worry too much.
Bruce, the week after this, it was -7 at 7pm in KC. Love you brother, but it does get really cold there. Keep up the great work
I love hearing your input.