Can Christians Get Married in God’s Eyes Without Government Registration?
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- Alan Shlemon of Stand to Reason responds to the question: "What makes a marriage official according to God?"
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The government has absolutely NO right to interject itself into a religious ritual
Yeah, especially when they say 2 men and 2 women can get married.
@@DavidNicholson101 For real bro, they're clowns. They coudln't give two ishts bout God.
And religious interjections have no right to be thrown into government laws.
Amen
@@Dallasneedsmoreblegh I'd much rather let GOD's words to be made into laws than the words of politicians who'd sell their parents for a big mac.
I think the government needs to stay out of marriage completely. Because government over steps their boundaries.
There is a need for the legal set up… when there are children and assets/property shared. Unfortunately, people break up or pass away and it is important to have legal protections for such things. And companies can more easily offer extra benefits like health ins to legal spouses … although that is changing… I just got hired on at a co and they are now extending benefits to declared domestic partners on some level. But in the end, I don’t think it’s a sin to make vows before God without those legalities. The important factor is to commit before God. And having the immediate combined families acknowledge the marriage so that the spouses become part of each others families. Unfortunately, some families may do this, but then screw the UN legally married ‘spouse’ out of property or disallow access to ??? Just because there is no legal right… I’ve seen that happen.
Marriage under the government is something I have decided to not do, if I ever marry. The legalities and the control they can then have over the couple and their children is quite frankly scary. And now with the government in my country the way it is, I have No desire to give them any foot hold in my marriage. Marriage was created by Yah and so therefore He is the only One who can truly create a binding covenant. I still think it is super important to have a ceremony and vows/Ketubah and witnesses so it is all done Biblically and honourably..
Praise YAH! 😁
@Christ’s Disciple I’m not going to obey a government that has turned against its people, so your argument is false and misleading. I can hand pick anything out of bible and use it against you. But when I see evil ways, I don’t have to condone it.
Totally agree‼
How can it be done biblically if your going against the culture and law of your country Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Hi, where do you live?? I live in America
This is hogwash, there's absolutely no benefits or privileges with legal marriage. Get married under God not the government. Do not get a license!
The only thing I've seen in getting a marriage license through the government is to divide families. Take all that the man has give it to the woman and put him on child support. Oh did I say take his house and car? Yeah I see why men aren't getting married. If they do I wouldn't want a marriage license either. I'm a woman. I hate this government system.
@@MsSexc40 you're right. How many men have committed suicide because of child support. And the men are thrown in prison and child support builds up because of prison. That's why I don't date American women anymore. To big of a risk. I was homeless because of child support. Lost everything.
Why not??
@@sl4983 the better question is why not why not.
Adam didn't need any permission to marry accept God's. No Man in The Bible did. Not Abraham. Not Isaac or Jacob. Not Moses. Not Peter. None.
They needed only Gods (in Adam's Case) and the Father of the brides (in every other Mans case if her Father was alive)
I do not need a pastor or a judge or a church or a states permission to marry any woman. I need only her Fathers permission to marry her if her Father is still alive.
Getting a marriage "license" aka marriage contract has absolutely zero protection or privileges FOR MEN worth signing over his human/parental/finacial rights.
And there are zero protections or privileges of marriage licenses Man cannot legally gain through other legal means that do not subject him to the human rights/parental rights/finacial rights that is the Family Court System if his wife should ever disobey Gods word and choose divorce and state sanctioned child kidnapping. She will not get 50 to 80% of your wealth plus lifelong alimony in thay situation unless you sign a marriage license.
So what the video maker really means is he want us to sign our human/parental/finacial/property rights away to a woman and to the state to prop up and support feminism and tyranny with no biblical obligation whatsoever to do so.
@@SherrickDuncan thanks
Getting married in gods eyes is all the validation I need. I don’t need the government involved in my marriage.
My son is 11, I've already begun informing him not to get married under law it's completely stacked against him in every way imaginable. if he wants to get married, bless him under the eyes of GOD not the government.
How can he get married though under the eyes of god but not government? Genuine question , my bf wants to do this but doesn’t know exactly how. And Iv seen that if an officiant married you without a marriage license then they could get a misdemeanor so I’m genuinely wanting to know how it would be done
@@nicolemartin1911 not where i live .
Yep! F#%k the Satanic g*"t
@@nicolemartin1911 you need to know the right one so to speak.... a good priest/pastor whatever will know you are one of the smart ones and help you out
@@weitzfc1 certain states have different laws
He says he recommends Christians to get married not only in the eyes of God but also through government registration "so long as the government has not gone completely awry and is horrifically evil", but that's exactly what the US federal government is!! Where is the consistency?
No,the state actually punishes marriage!! A lot of people don't get the marriage license because they will loose benefits!!
Amen so true
In genesis Yahweh said that the man is the authority over the woman. signing a document that places a government ruling over the control of property and children is an apostasy against his word. When you sign that document you knowingly remove the authority of the Father's law over the direction of your family. the judge becomes your family's god. Paul said we are not supposed to go to the government to judge issues amongst believers. We will judge angels one day and should be able to judge our problems in this life by his word and not go before the law of the unjust. To say the father has given an unjust court is heretical in itself.
@@hillbillysceptic1982 That was truly amazing my friend!!!!
They gain MUCH more benefits being married but OKAY
@@chrisleland5709In the past I would say you are correct, talk to a man who has been divorce raped!!
Don’t put the government in your relationship nor courts. Everything is about money. Absolutely everything
Yes government gives benefits for married couples alright like giving them both paycheck cuts if they're both on social security and married. Taking money from them that they literally can't live without, or here's another benefit that the government gives, sticking a man with child support or lengthy custody battles or giving the woman alimony for the rest of her life if she wants it, tell me more about the wonderful benefits the government gives to people who are registered in their eyes.
Well sais
Please tell me what privileges and benefits come out of being married by law. My fiancé and I already own everything half and half the title to our home has both of our names the title to our properties have both of our names the title to our vehicles have both of our names what more could you want?
Why are you focusing on divorce and planning for your divorce if the Bible doesn’t agree with divorce. Seems like you’re scared of divorce so you don’t want to worry about the legal issues. Not a good way to plan your marriage
@@josecast8667, if your state believes in common law marriage, then you are legally married if you share those things.
@@ellenhutton1757 unless you file taxes separately and claim everything as an investment between two business partners.
How do I prevent myself from being seen as married from the government's eyes ? I don't want her to be able to bully me, with threatening to take 50% of our finances, take the children, and move on like I'm trash. Legal marriage is dead, because it incentivizes divorce. People choosing to divorce should have a penalty, where they only receive 25%, and the faithful to marriage partner keeps 75%. Something along those lines, to disincentivize divorce.
But the Bible says not to get divorced so why are you dodging the legal aspect just because you’re scared of divorce?
@@chrisleland5709 Women are not following the Bible like they should. My mom threatens my dad monthly with divorce and this has been ongoing for 43 years. Couple this with the divorce rate out there, and how women initiate 70-90% of all divorces, and you could understand why I don't want to legally tie myself like that. I could be spiritually faithful to her for my whole life, but it's up to her to do the same. ✝️
@@chrisleland5709 The Bible never says not to get divorced, it just says God hates it and would prefer it to be on the grounds of someone being unfaithful, the Bible says what God has joined together let no man separate but this doesn't mean man can't separate it.
@@mrunknown6842LMAO, It is a violation of the seventh commandment, “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14).
“It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of porneia (sexual immorality), makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 5:31-32).
Plus you’re not obeying the laws of the land, plus if god didn’t want you to be legally married he would of included it in the Bible. Do you think god wanted Christians to be above the laws and not have to obey? Does that give off a godly, Christian example to others to follow, that if you’re Christian you’re above the laws? How would us breaking the laws of the land lead others to Christ, besides the ones that just want to ignore the laws because they’re Christians and you tell them it’s okay to lead a life of sin. Many states require marriage licenses, if god wanted us to be above the law he would not have told us to follow the laws of the land and be compliant
God never wanted governments. He allowed Jsrael to reject him and have a government with a warning that it wasn't a good idea. The good and perfect will of the Father should be our pursuit, and the government interferes.
I'm a widow and 60. If I were to get married in the eyes of the government, I would lose all of my late husbands benefits. SS and pension. I can't afford to lose that.
How is this true? Many spouses share SS and pension
@@chrisleland5709, his pension was set up to where if I remarry, I lose it. After 60 if you remarry, you can keep your late husbands SS
@@chrisleland5709 you don't know anything about SSI to you, let me explain it to you, 2 people living on SSI who can't work and need all the money to take care of themselves and their family, they get married by the government, and both get their checks slashed costing them money they can't live without, unless you know how SSI benifits work then stop talking to people about them.
Uhhhhhh, you're gonna have to show where God "gave us government..." I think humans created government, and I would argue there's a lot of sin involved in the reason for that.
Look no further then the Lord telling Israel we didn’t need a king.
Lucifer created the government
@CAJ Action God hates anarchy
@CAJ Action the government in this day and age is more evil and corrupt then the criminals breaking it's law. Everyone accept for the law itself obeys the law... Js.
@CAJ Action I understand. God wants us to obey law regardless. It has nothing to do with the government itself. Just law. And order. And on this earth. In this day. A government is put in place to create the law and police enforce it. Alot of laws are wrong for many reasons and I grew up in poverty where I was only 14 and couldn't even get a job or know how to get a job I was homeless my parents drank did drugs punched each other out I ran aeay at 14 and I had to comitt crime just to eat and put clothes on my back in Canada you cant get a job without a sin number. You must be age 16 to get a sin number. A 14-year-old doesn't even know how to get a job or where to go. Especially when your homeless and hungry. And lost and angry for being abandoned. I had to break the law or I would have died in the streets with no help. The group homes were abusive and youth shelters I would get beat up and robbed for my shoes. Made me a savage but now as an adult after it took 15 years + of correction and healing trauma. I can find ways to survive without breaking the law. But. At 14 ovi with breaking the law came jail. At 15 I was stealing cars robbing drug dealers at gunpoint had a 6-year probation order at q5 didn't get off until I was 21. It takes a life time of growing to heal and learn how to be a working man once you've been programmed like that it's almost impossible the system rejects you all your good for is labour no one will hire you rent to you etc your locked put society hates you and projects stigma towards you making you not want to be apart of society even further. The system it's self is built in the foundation of greed deception and corruption but presents itself as a helping hand. Which is farthest from it's true form and intent.
I am a senior contemplating marriage to a senior woman. We are both good standing Catholics with prior families, incomes, homes, etc. I know the Bible says to obey the laws of the government when it comes to marriage, but I stuggle with a government who promotes gay marriage and abortion among other things against my religious beliefs. How can I sign a marriage certificate knowing these things? I am favoring a committment ceremony in God's eyes for those and other legal reasons.
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The Bible was written by man to correspond to the government
I don't know about the bible saying to obey the laws of government. Slavery use to be legal in the eyes of the government. The people Moses saved were held legally in the laws of that Egyptian government. When Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality, that lifestyle was legal in the eyes of the government. Laws are often created by greedy selfish shady unrighteous humans that are mistaken. I only obey universal law, not man made.
She will clean you out and end up with a younger man while you pay for it and the court can even order you to get and pay for a life insurance policy So when you die she still gets paid
To involve the government right now with how everything is would be insane in my opinion. I have known couples that have done it legally and have lost everything and have become more poorer then they ever were before.
It’s not for protection. The government requires a marriage license for the money.
It's the way he devil has snuck in to destroy families and attack children. Just be a fan. Life's too short to be po'd
As a Christian, I disagree with you. Do not get a government sanctioned marriage. A marriage is between you, your wife, under God, not under government. You want the benefits of government only because it translates into $$$. That’s how they buy you. The wife will have authority over you using the power of government who gives her that authority. Gods authority in your marriage would be more easily challenged during marital trouble. Let not forget we are sinners still. Married sinners.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
@@chrisleland5709 no
@@GodsProphet23 yes, are you saying to disobey the Bible?
@@chrisleland5709 The same Government you’re quoting is the same one that legalized same sex marriage which goes directly against God
@@chrisleland5709 Obey evil governments? Have you actually ever lived in a country with an evil government? USSR? Cuba? Venezuela? North Korea, etc? Should you obey a govt that uses your forced tax revenues to perform abortions and wage war across the globe for the financial benefit of politicians? How evil do they have to become before you say "no"?
Most governments aren't godly these days
no i dont want the government involved...not with these laws
"Timeline 1:20 Government standards you get all the benefits and protections and privileges with state sanctioned matrimony" NOT SO FAST, you also give the state the right to divorce you for a NO CAUSE DIVORCE, which in the eyes of God are not permissible, except for fornication, sex outside the marriage bed known as adultery. Timeline 2:00 the government is a God given institution, but only to the point where it recognizes God's Word to begin with. So a "no fault divorce" is basically adultery in God's eyes, thus once your married in the eyes of God, no state can undo it.
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One can have biblical grounds for divorce and still need to get a no fault divorce rather than a fault divorce. You do realize that the latter often costs 10 times the amount as the former, meaning many tens of thousands of dollars instead of only a few thousand. This is because the grounds have to be proven with witnesses and testimony, which adds greatly to the time and cost. Many people, including the innocent party in a case of adultery, would not be able to afford a fault divorce, even if they had the proof.
Did this pastor just say God gave us government?
That's like saying God gave us w
C o c a i n e and m e t h.
Although I believe that God created the world, not everything of this world was created by God because not everything in this world is approved by God.
People created government. In fact if you go read the Old testament God even told the Israelites to never have a king.
Government is most definitely Kingship
@Christ’s Disciple
Ok. Imma need you to have that same law abiding energy when to m e n come to your church and as you to marry them
@Christ’s Disciple what I mean is that the law of the land is the law of the land.
So if the government creates a new law where all churches must have gender neutral restrooms, your church better not do anything to fight that because it's the law of the land.
Remember, the Bible didn't say anything about gender-neutral restrooms; so you can't say that gender-neutral restrooms are a sin against god.
So if they time comes (and it's closer than you think) for your w i f e and f e m a l e loved ones to share restrooms with t r a n s w o m e n , you and the entire Christian community better not have one objection towards that because it's the law of the land
@Christ’s Disciple what do you mean? what do you mean? they are saying to you that if the government ask you to marry 2 people with the same biological parts between their legs are you gonna do that too just because big gov says it's the law and you have to? We don't live under a gov that is of God anymore but is of satan so we are not inclined to obey everything they say anymore either.
@Christ’s Disciple basically they and everyone on here sees you as a satanic government boot licker who is twisting scripture just to further big gov's agenda because you are brainwashed into believing that you are doing God's work when actually you are just doing the opposite.
@Christ’s Disciple Man wrote that in. Isn't it obvious...smh
Never sign a government contract for marriage. A marriage is between God, a man, and a woman.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Agreed, but most people have no idea how you came to that conclusion and will disregard what you said. So, you are preaching to the choir.
The best practice supported by scripture is to find a spouse that loves the Lord and you both serve Him, Vow to Him and follow His Laws. If not believers or when one becomes one, there forward by definition be a Christ follower, not a follower of whatever is popular within your local jurisdiction at the time. Followers of Christ must follow Him and His Laws no matter where they are and to serve and honor Him regardless of what comes. We bow to no one else, other then Christ our Father.
Problem is... She can leave whenever she wants and takes half your stuff
Marriage licensing by the government was born from racism and breaks the man God woman bond making God a non relevant in the union which is compounded by the whole church and state dynamic. The so called protections are not for the family even though it is presented that way, but actually it protects the governments stake in said marriage and what is produced from said union.
Marriage licenses are just one form of legal, government recognition of marriages. Before marriage licenses, there were church records with witness signatures that government recognized as legal marriage. Other countries and cultures had other ways of governing authorities legitimizing marriages.
God doesn’t need government to legitimize marriage, but civilizations do in order to incentivize people to abide by their marital duties. God gives governments, including pagan governments, the authority to perform legitimate government functions, such as promoting marriage. He doesn’t give them authority to promote anything sinful, such as same-sex marriage, but heterosexual marriage is not that. We need more and stronger government support for marriage, not less.
Nowadays in my eyes (because of current facts) neither a judge nor a pastor holds any authority to declare over me something so personal and intimate between me, God and the man he chose for me. Most of them are corrupted and faulty before God, how can they declare something in his name.
Being absolutely perfect is not the point. But you may want to consider if pride or a rebellious heart is the problem?
@Christ’s Disciple you are taking things out of Biblical context and also if the government says that Christians have to fund abortion or other immoral practices does that mean we should??? plus there is a thing called civil disobedience, ever heard of the story of Ester? if she had just obeyed the law of the land when it was unbiblical for her to do so at the time, then do you not know that the Jews back then would have ended up impaled on a pole? she being a woman did 2 things against the king's laws, she burst into his place without scheduling a meeting first and spoke to him without permission which her being a woman had God not been with her the king would have put Ester to death so no we don't have to follow or respect everything the government says only the laws that are logical and sound, moral and those that we see are for the benefit of all man kind anything against God we are to question, call out, judge and correct. Don't get the scripted twisted unless you do the work of the devil and are a wolf in sheep's clothing th-cam.com/video/eeeDOvaEjhw/w-d-xo.html
@Christ’s Disciple also one more thing if you are gonna call yourself Christ's Disciple then should you not know of Biblical context and how to use it? you clearly don't, go back and study the word before preaching out of context to other people and one more thing you can not be a Disciple only a follower of Christ, to call yourself a Disciple you are literally calling yourself an apostle which is unbiblical because that position was only given to those Jesus selected back then and you are not one of them who God choose directly so thanks for playing but no you nor anyone is a disciple of God we are merely followers and doers of his word and will.
EVERYONE is corrupt and faulty before God! NO ONE is perfect!
The pastor is officiating a public witness of vows you make to God and declaring what you just did, so that ignoramuses like me will know what just happened. The pastor doesn't create anything new except earning a paycheck and posing for pictures.
Went well for me, then lost me at government protection & privileges. 🤔
As a man, I’d much rather skip out on the “protections and privileges” in favor of not being financially destroyed if a divorce were to happen, which I pray NEVER happens to me whenever I get married.
The Bible is against divorce, if you’re getting married this way to protect yourself, it seems like your just focusing on what you want. Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
I disliked because of the government comment.
Do you dislike the Bible too because of the government comments? Sounds like a rebellious heart.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
The social benefits of marriage he’s referring to ended with no-fault divorce: the court’s do not protect marriage, and they do not enforce court orders after a divorce. So there are no protections. The government isn’t in the business of nurturing families: it’s in the business of creating single member households. Fewer and fewer people care, so there’s little social benefit. The only other benefit is the write off, but you can get write offs from running a business.
Also, this is not the government God gave us. Paul says don’t bring your grievances to pagan courts. US courts are modeled on those same Roman courts. And the only reason for a marriage license is in case you need to bring a grievance to a court. So it’s a closed case: God says marriage should be Sacramento, the state disagrees, therefore, state marriage is wrong.
He argues that licenses can be refused if the state is engaging in some evil. State sanctioned marriage is gay in all 50 states. Buying a marriage license supports gay marriage in the exact same way buying a fishing license supports trout fishing.
Marriage is so complicated.....wish everyone who chooses to do this all the best! Remember, marriage in its simplest form starts with agreement between the people involved in it.
Incorrect, the children of israel rejected samuel i.e. God and wanted a manmade government. A government was giving because of our rejection of God's authority in our lives.
God gave us authority structure (government) in the family, church, and civilly. Corruption and abuse of the structure is not the fault of the structure or creator.
He lost me when he said govt is God given. Really? Every govt?
Depends on what you mean by "God-given." Alan likely means that the institution and role of government is something given by God. There's also God's permissive will to consider, meaning God allows certain things to happen and certain governments to rise up. Plus, everything that happens is a part of God's plan, even corrupt governments. That doesn't mean he approves of them, but he will use them to bring about his plan.
This is biblical. Paul erites about the institution of government being established by God
Exactly
Yes, Romans 13:1-7 KJV.
God will give a people the government they deserve. As a wicked nation that is sold out to satan and sin calling good evil and evil good, we as a nation have just the government we deserve and it's gonna get worse.
Exactly
When this video was made the government wasn't so corrupt. Now, the man gets railroad when it doesn't work out. HE HAS NO RIGHTS!!
You can be legally married to someone and still not abide in love. You can still cheat on them. Abuse them, be with them only for money etc. That’s not abiding in God or in love. but by using the logic “the government must condone it for it to be in Gods eyes” is not valid. God is the basis for everything. He is the standard for what is good and what is evil.
Roman’s 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The whole basic of marriage is love. God is love is love is God. Marriage is love which=God. If you abide in God you automatically abide in love which is marriage. John 15:10 supports this “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
Governments represent the beast system officially as of 2020. So yes, I am very thoughtful about how I choose to interact with this evil we are stuck dealing with now.
But WHY do we have to get married?? Society expects that we do. Yet Jesus never married, I never read about Mrs. God, and the bible gives us Psalms 21:19.
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This is my problem with a lot of modern-day pastors. This pastor or speaker just a lie about saying that God gave us government.
God simply stated in the Bible to the Israelites that they did not and should not have a king.
@Christ’s Disciple the laws of the land has approved g a y s to get married.
Do you think that is of the Lord?
See what I did there?
Whether you like it or not, marriage is a government institution. Marriage has nothing to do with religion and if you don't believe me go look at your marriage license or the marriage licenses of people you know. Do you see a cross on it? Do you see Jesus on it? Do you see the seal of the state?
@Christ’s Disciple also, if it's true what you're saying why is there a such thing of separation of church and state? If we are to abide by the laws of the government, why is there a separation between church and state? The church should be doing every single thing the government tells them to. So if the government tells them to build trance restrooms, they should do that because we are to abide by governmental law.
If the government tells the church they have to marry any and everyone who wants to get married regardless if they're straight or not, then the church should do that because the government told them
So which should Christians listen to more: the church or the state?
@Christ’s Disciple So I guess that means respecting the government's rule of them legalizing abortion too right and respecting their rule that they are allowing 2 people with the same biological parts to get married too right? stop twisting scripture to get people to conform to your own ideas ok? we are to obey God's law over man's and show me one place in the Bible where anyone needed a marriage license to be married, Marriage is something that God created not man kind taxes and other laws are man made constructs are man's idea not God's and a marriage license is an unbiblical construct created by man meaning that we don't really have to follow it because it's not really necessary and God does not support the idea, he only ask that we obey the laws of the land like paying taxes and so forth but marriage is not man's place to approve of that is God's of which the only requirements are one man, one woman for life, and remember this next time you want to quote scripture to people, Jesus said it himself , render to Cesar what is to Cesar and to God the things that are of God meaning something that belongs to God is God's to deal with and something that is of the government's is there's to deal with not God's so they have no place getting involved in God's affairs.
God placed the rulers of government in their position of authority. In that case we should obey the law because it is what God has ordained.
@@jacobjohnson7299
So we should obey and honor same s-- marriages? Do you realize how corrupt Govn is?
Ever heard of separation between church and state?
In all of history, what government hasn’t been corrupt and has the best interest in the people it serves?
But, at the same time, it should be our choice to get the marriage license required by the government.
I love the information in this video, it confirms the feelings I have had about this issue for years now. I have been married before legally, for 34 years. We have been divorced for 7 years. I'm now much older with benefits I do not want ripped from me if I get legally remarried, HOWEVER, I can't find a pastor to this day that will do a religious non-legal ceremony for me and my man to save my life! They keep using Ohio law that they could lose their license if they do a Non-legal ceremony for us. Even after I have called the state authorities and confirmed that they could indeed to a religious non-legal ceremony with NO issues, I am still being bucked by protestant pastor's. I guess they would rather see us continue to live our life as we have without the blessing of God than to help us do the right thing, it's been truly frustrating and disheartening!
@rockmrobin7 I am in the same situation. I would lobe to married in the eyes of God, but no pastor wants to do it.
Why won’t a pastor do it if law-enforcement blatantly says it’s legal? Have you guys come to any conclusion to this? I am just now looking into this because marriage licenses slam benefits sometimes so to speak.
@@Dustinthewind03 I think it’s just a way for them to decline to do it because they think the “right” way to do it is the state legal way. And ur right, my military benefits mostly health insurance would be taken from me if I legally marry!
@@paulawhitehead7321 I’m at the point I’m going to find a spiritual mentor to to it on my back yard. We have a certificate I had a friend make for me which we will sign as a momentum. I’m over trying to get it done in church
@@Dustinthewind03$$$$..."501c3 churches are subject to limitations based on the law. If they act outside of those limitations, they can lose their nonprofit status. If they make money outside of their purposes, they can be subject to Unrelated Business Income Tax (UBIT)"
He lost me when he said God given us the government 😂🤦🏾♂️
God gave us authority structure and systems of accountability. God did not give us corruption, tyrants, and oppressors. Those who abuse God's authority structure should be held accountable, but everybody knows that doesn't happen enough because people are abused by government officials on a daily basis. Government within the home starts with the father and the choice of the family to submit to his leadership whether he's a bad leader or not. It kind of cuts both ways which is why we have to become the best we can to effect a positive change starting in our homes. I'm preaching to myself here because I stink at it.
Me too
The catholic church began conducting marriages in the 1600s. It was a family matter before that, agreement between 2 families. No signing, maybe a party although some bible verses dont include a party. Read leviticus 18 for sexually immoral acts and and Deut 28-29 for laws regarding betrothed and unbetrothed women. Find in Genesis what the union of man and woman was meant to be (companionship). Is the bible the word of God or not? Or is it church tradition which changes and shifts over time
@Christ’s Disciple I am not disobaying the law of the land in any way. You are talking about 2 different things. If being in a monogamous heterosexual relationship were against the law of the land you may be right. But as you see now the law of the land includes gay marriage so....? Are we to accept and condone gay marriage? Are we to condone teaching sexual education about LGBTQ to children? Calling trans women men and vice versa? Because that is currently the law of the land. There will come a day when marriage licences and weddings will look different than they do now - we use rings which are strictly pagan and women no longer necessarily bring dowry to a marriage. Things have changed and will change - I gather that marriage is the monogamous union between man and woman (biblically men could have more than one wife though)... as agreed upon by both sets of parents of the bride and groom
@Christ’s Disciple wow very good brother or sister in Jesus Christ.This passage came to my mind.
Daniel 3:10-18
King James Version
10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
11 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Sure there is one thing you’re not considering, what about those of us who are disabled who if we get married could stand to lose a majority of our benefits. Put yourself in my shoes I have the love of my life and I want to marry her someday. And if I get a marriage license, I, or she, or we both could lose half to 75% of our income or one of us could lose all of it Do you think that is a good institution if it can cause that problem
I am in the same situation. But we are planning to marry next year. Perhaps only in the church but eventually legally as well. It's a stressful thing.
I am a Christian man. If i ever get married ( which is not something I think about ) I would not want to involve the Government. I see to many men get screwed by divorce and they end up paying alimony and/or child support. Too much stress. I would rather not deal with all that. Even if God expects us to get the government involved. Men have way to much to lose. May as well consider it a death wish.
If you’re starting your marriage preparing for divorce you need to take a deep look at your relationship and it’s probably not the right one
What are the pros and cons for women getting married under the government vs just under God’s eyes? I feel that as a woman, if my husband decided to divorce me I would have nothing to live on if we got married and had a ceremony under God but no legal certificate. If I decided to work part time or not at all and he decided to divorce me… that would be pretty tough. So to me it’s kind of dangerous getting married under God only. It seems men are worried women will take their money if divorced under the law and women are worried about not having any money if the man divorced without the law officiating the marriage.
@@audraburke1526 If you had a source of money before the marriage then you’ll just go back to that source. If you do not have a source of money prior to getting married then you not need to be getting married.
@@audraburke1526 Plus you literally just admitted that it’s “dangerous” to get married under only God because the woman won’t be able to take half of the mans things. What kind of sick thinking is this that you have?
@@mattsvoid I didn’t say that as a woman I would be taking anyone’s money. I said if I divorced a man and I had no money because I decided to work as a full time housewife, I would not have enough money to live on at that point. Your responses are not practical. Not everyone can save up enough money before marriage to cushion themselves with if divorced. Plus, I believe that in marriage, everything is shared and having separate bank accounts may be a sign of not trusting your partner (not always but it can be a sign). So if I pool my money with my husbands, it’s because I have put trust in the covenant we made, BUT I can’t predict the future and if something happens where we become divorced, who knows how much of my money I would get back and so forth. Would I get any back? I’m not sure honestly. That’s what I’m asking. What are the pros and cons of getting married under the government or not. If you aren’t going to seriously answer my question (as I’m actually trying to learn here for my future) then please move on
What happened to following the law of the land? In Moses time, there were divorce papers. God is a God of order.
Its a contract that doesn't work out in the man's favor. The monetary incentives aren't worth it.
Please I know a man that had to quit his job to watch the kids because the wife made more. She cheated but now HE is getting alimony. You guys have a very distorted view
@@chrisleland5709”I know one anecdotal exception so the rule doesn’t apply”
Privilege means you are then obligated, they never give anything without taking 3times as much back,anything the government would give you you are naturally entitled to anyway. The government is deceiving you.
Only God can institute a marriage, not the government
I'll have a wedding in the church but there's no damn way I'm signing any paperwork
God didn't give us government 😟, man gave us government. Bottom line being married in the eyes of God is more important than what ever benifits the government can give
Please read the Bible before you spread false ideas.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
@@chrisleland5709 Roman’s 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The whole basic of marriage is love. God is love is love is God. Marriage is love which=God. If you abide in God you automatically abide in love which is marriage. John 15:10 supports this “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
I'm married 10years now in Gods eyes. Now my wife wants to get a marriage license so I said no. She's afraid if I die my assets will freeze because we not recognized
She’s correct, probate is a major pain.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
ok summit when they tell you to deny Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and get the mark of the beast ! Can't pick and choose. govern in Latin means rule and ment means mind ! Rule the mind . ... This world corrupted . .
Leave everything to her in a will.
@@chrisleland5709 Romans 13, 1-5
If leaders are wanting you to do evil and not of Our Father, then disobey and follow Our Father, the leaders should not terrorize our good works.
Then why christianity can not be taught in a government school ,if government is so godly .
the authority structure is godly.... the abuse of the structure is sin and ungodly... big difference.
@@sonnyh9774wat!? U crazy that gospel suppose be preached everywhere that’s the problem now we lacking but u can teach demonic things in school
Participate and get protection and privileges? Who are kidding? A real man of God needs none of this. If you said that at my house, you would be escorted out. What a woman thing to say? Please write a list of my privileges so I can tack them on mens locker room. Oh and I’m waiting.
You get 3 square meals if you don't pay up... there.... post that you ungrateful rebel, you😂 And if you don't educate and vaccinate properly, then they will do that for you.... as they see fit.... mic drop
When it says give to Cesar what is Cesar, and we are also told marriage is a god given institution. since marriage isn’t Cesar’s that’s not something required. Also side question, let’s say you signed a contract to the government prohibiting you from marriage but then later on you want to get married but you can’t do it “legally” in the eyes of the government. Is that wrong?
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My husband is on ssd he has medicare as well. If we were legally by the government he would not be able to receive his medicine and full benefits. It's unfortunate .
It's a bribe. The devil's in the details... literally.
When the Pharisee's came to Yeshua with questions about paying taxes, HE said, "Give to GOD what belongs to GOD n to man what belongs to man" same ideal applies. The word says to honor the laws of the land lest those laws are contrary to what GOD has ordained- in saying all that, i believe on this matter, it depends on where you live in the world, your culture heritage n tradition, the ruling government of your land and traditional n religious practices. In the states u need license so i suppose in GODs mind in being obedient to HIS qord n honoring the law here that is not contrary to GOD'S word, we must get licenses. Somewhere in the world though there are remote locations of people who simple have ceremonies and then that couple is recognized by their famlies n communities as husband and wife under GOD....they would laugh at the thought of needing official documents for the institution of marriage and GOD still honors their commitments. So, i believe, its all subjective.
Yea that divorce rate is too high to be getting married in the eyes of the government
The documents we used to forgo a marriage license wasf untrue but we were married because of these untrue documents. My lawyer says this is a valid reason for our marriage to be voided. But in the eyes of God are we married if we had dishonest documents?
Serious question, if someone were to marry by government registry only, does that include cows committed to God? I have not done the process so I don’t know what’s involved, but for a true marriage does it have to include a pastor or priest, and not just paperwork?
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What i find interesting is that there are no biblical examples of Jesus or his disciples marrying anyone. Jesus attended a wedding as a guest. A pastor once told me that it was a mistake for churches to start marrying people. Biblical marriage is an agreement between the families. But some will say we need to legalize it too because the bible talks about respecting the law of the land where you live.
Yes but the law of the land have to also line up with the word of God
@@marjoriebourgouin2782 Good observation. There are no laws requiring it... only laws making it necessary to receive "benefits". And the courts have ruled that "marriage" is a contract between the STATE and two entities (God is completely excluded). This is not even Biblical marriage, so it's better to obey God than conform to peer pressure in contracts that poke their fingers in the eye of God.
The response is: Christ is the author of marriage...government only acknowledges it and at this point is more than happy to attack those who serve Christ. No suprise, they hate our Father and the nations conspire, and the Lord laughs for His is the Kingdom for now and forever. Nations rise and fall, but the Lord and His Kingdom is forever. So the question is whom do you serve? Whose kingdom are you in? Which Father do you serve?
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Correction.... the government doesn't acknowledge it in the slightest but in appearance only. Case law says "marriage" is a contract between three parties: the STATE plus two entities (God is completely excluded). So, the STATE has created a new "marriage" and taken the place of God in the relationship.
@chrisleland5709 so when a government and legislation conflicts with the Lord's law whose law are you going to follow?
@sonnyh9774 the Lord laughs at what the state says when it thinks it can do anything apart from whom the state itself depends on and that will cease to exist like all other states that have come and gone.
@@spencerroyal4109 Yes, I agree, but most pastors align themselves with the STATE on this issue because of a misinterpretation and misapplication of Romans 13. So, many within the church suffer because of this apparent compromise. Marriage is cheapened; God is dishonored; and families are damaged through "divorce".
Never do a legal marriage. It confuses things.
The government divorce WILL end the marriage.
I dont need government for marriage protection!
You just make agreement in writing ✍
How do you do this? Is this with a lawyer? A church?
Government has nothing to do with 2 people wanting g to be married in God's eyes.
Marriage is an agreement between 2 people- so an agreement is written up for duration of "togetherness" like a business arrangement "Joint Venture Agreement" to transact some sort of business that requires living together- create the LLC with both of you in the business.
Also you can get any Religious person to marry you in God's eyes- as that was important to us when we did this arrangement.
When you want a divorce you simply file a dissolution of the business and distribute value of business holdings based on shares owned.
If I came into marriage/business venture with more holdings - I leave with more holdings as I held more shares in stock of business.
If you have kids during the running of your business- so what - since when does anyone have to file with state to have a baby- you make it all in writing ✍️
Plat and tweak this idea to your hearts content
I've used this to be with a particular partner for short time spans or to "Try out" a partner...
@@jenny-DD One could think of it as a contract which has been recognized and certified by God. Idk if i agree with everything you said. But a chunk of it.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
@@chrisleland5709 Not I sorry
You are all being deceived Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Amen I was thinking of that same scripture
You can be legally married to someone and still not abide in love. You can still cheat on them. Abuse them, be with them only for money etc. That’s not abiding in God or in love. but by using the logic “the government must condone it for it to be in Gods eyes” is not valid. God is the basis for everything. He is the standard for what is good and what is evil.
Roman’s 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The whole basic of marriage is love. God is love is love is God. Marriage is love which=God. If you abide in God you automatically abide in love which is marriage. John 15:10 supports this “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
@@AisASMRy’all crazy but I’ll let god be the judge, you do you.
@@chrisleland5709 now you insult me because you have no basis behind your statement. I’m just stating the facts brother. If your saying the only way marriage is real is if it’s done before the government then you need to show me where in the Bible it says that and not quote one verse to support your personal belief. By your exact logic that your hanging on to; that means when the mark of the beast comes and the same government tells you to get it. You get it. Exactly. You wouldn’t not less you will go to hell but I thought your suppose to do what the government says no matter what according to your logic right?
As a Christian I ask, what "protections and benefits"?
You're "recommending" fellow brothers and Christians I might add to allow themselves to enter an old institution, that has been revised time and time over again to no longer uphold what the bible states that marriage should be and signing them up to be financially ruined? Let's not even debate on how most, and I mean most, women are not a good bet for marriage, even when we bring science into it...
Sure, God forgives our past, but we are products of this physical realm which must abide by the rules of physics and science as he ordained the structure of reality to be and exist. So if a badly programmed/undisciplined lady has been born again, does she truly deserve the ring? Is that a good enough risk when the science and statistics prove otherwise?
You are thinking and asking good questions. I'll address the last.
She is a new creature in Christ.... learning and growing. She may need to heal past traumas. Hosea is our example of Christ ... our example. Hosea loved Gomer when she was a royal 304... having the babies of other men. Hosea was faithful to her until death which is a picture of God's faithfulness to us. God will love us in spite of our past, so God will give us the power to love someone else in spite of theirs.
It's still your choice and I don't blame one bit for being cautious. My wife had childhood trauma and struggled with trusting me, and she took the kids and left me. I will choose to be like Christ and like Hosea even if that means I have to stay single.
Follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. If He tells you to marry her, then you will know. If the Holy Spirit doesn't want you to marry her, then He will show you that as well. She is still a daughter of the King and the King wants Godly men to take care of His daughters... even the hurt ones.
I really like this look on the subject. Thank you.
One thing you got to understand is that marriage is a covenant and we have two types of covenant.
COVENANT= To enter into a formal agreement; to stipulate; to bind ones self by contract.
Two types of covenant
1.God to man covenant- written in our hearts
2 - Man to man covenant - it should be signed. don't you know the law says until death, don't you see the contract there even though it be a covenant it is fulfilled by signing a contract
Gal_3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Don't you see the binding there.
Neh_9:38 And because of all this we make a sure covenant, and write it; and our princes, Levites, and priests, seal unto it.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
.Lets not use the internet to get subscribers at the same time misleading souls. You will be held accountable for every lie you have ever told. Marriage is both covenant and contract GET ME!!!!!!
The pastor at church I’m thinking about joining just told me that the spiritual marriage that my husband and I had before our legal marriage was not a real marriage. I know what God did for us but it was still so disheartening
The state states that marriage is between two people. That's not a marriage. God states that marriage between a man and a women. Big difference
Are we not called to submit to government as christians?
Yes,no If government goes against Bible based principles it's a no. Ceaser things to Ceaser didn't mean to pay taxes. It means who you going to be a slave to? GOD or Ceaser
If it's immoral, no. I won't submit regardless. I answer to God, not man or 70 year old Satanic politicans or Brandon Joe former VP. Government will be attempting to take our guns, and that's when the GOD given right to self-defense kicks in. Should I listen to government or GOD in this sense?
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
@Chris Leland God didn't approve gay marriages which is a sin according to scriptures seems the government is not Godly
Read keep residing up to verse 4 and on it is referring to Gods ministers
If you have to ask yourself if something is right or not, there’s usually a conviction set in place for a reason,
Get married the right way and don’t have to ask twice if you are.
The Bible says to be subject to governing authorities, so I don’t know why you would avoid making your matrimony official and public
Well if you want to quote the Bible at least quote the whole chapter. And who are you to say “get married the right way” when up until 1639 there was no government intervention with marriage?
Roman’s 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The whole basic of marriage is love. God is love is love is God. Marriage is love which=God. If you abide in God you automatically abide in love which is marriage. John 15:10 supports this “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
You can be legally married to someone and still not abide in love. You can still cheat on them. Abuse them etc. be with them for money. That’s not abiding in God or in love. but by using your logic it is because the government conducted it?
@@AisASMR when you ask me who am I? I am absolutely nobody, and would continue to be nobody with out Gods intervention.
As far as your comment, I am not the one you have to justify yourself to.
All my comment said was if you love someone put a ring on it, anything else is trying to devise clever ways to sidestep the commitment of marriage while reaping the benefits
Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars and give the God what is Gods. In no way is your marriage created by Ceasar.
How can a spouse be added to medical insurance without a marriage license??
Romans 13, 1-5
If leaders are wanting you to do evil and not of Our Father, then disobey and follow Our Father, the leaders should not terrorize our good works.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
The section of the Church where I was volunteering at refused to let me serve for lack of a marriage certificate. Has anyone else dealt with this?
@Christ’s Disciple Yes, I will happily submit to the government to have my marriage "in the eyes of God". Ok lol. Sex and verbal commitment is marriage quite literally, not papers and "witnesses" and pastors, blah blah. If God never changes, and Adam and Eve was the first marriage, why should modern Christians change the way we do it? God doesn't change things around to fit man, we change ourselves to honor God. Simply put.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Didn't the said U.S. government just get exposed for being middlemen in child trafficking. 🤨
If you tolerate that, something's truly wrong with your testicles.
I probably got bigger ones than you, and I am a female! 🤣🤣🤣
Also it's odd how brute violence, and domination has gotten supreme leaders in charge of entire nations. 🤔 Don't see any peaceful and loving country and good supreme leader led nation. Do you? 🧐 But I see Russia, NK, China, Venezuela, etc...
No, but most pastors and leaders don't really have a clue about STATE marriage and how it's not marriage at all. Case law says marriage is a contract between the STATE and two entities (excluding God completely). This isn't Biblical marriage. Biblical marriage is between one man, one woman and God (excluding the STATE). So, the STATE has taken an idolatrous position and church leaders don't even realize they encourage this idolatrous contract. The license is only about a hundred years old in the US and was designed to control interracial marriage. Now the church can't see the difference between the two. We have to be patient and gentle as we educate our brothers. Pride is kryptonite for men and church leaders struggle just as much.
@@chrisleland5709 There is no law to submit to about marriage. It's just peer pressure.
Thank you!!! thank you!!! thank you!!! i have been married 3 times . 1 abusive, 1 a drug addict but now is sold out for christ! thank you lord!! and one i was forced by my christian mom at 19 and my two aunts that were pastors because i got pregnant and they said my son would be a bastard smh so im sorry i no longer want to be legally married but i do want to be spirtually married and i will take my vow like the other three times smh before God seriously. but iam being judged by some of my friends so thank you
All women are righteous! You might be the one who is wrong, 3 times!!
What are the benefits of getting married using the state?
Never involved the government in anything in your life if you value what you have.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Our government is satanic and corrupt so miss me with that no marriage license for me😅
Adam didn't need any permission to marry accept God's. No Man in The Bible did. Not Abraham. Not Isaac or Jacob. Not Moses. Not Peter. None.
They needed only Gods (in Adam's Case) and the Father of the brides (in every other Mans case if her Father was alive)
I do not need a pastor or a judge or a church or a states permission to marry any woman. I need only her Fathers permission to marry her IF her Father is still alive.
Getting a marriage "license" aka marriage contract has absolutely zero protection or privileges FOR MEN worth signing over his human/parental/finacial rights.
And there are zero protections or privileges of marriage licenses that a Man cannot legally gain through other legal means that do not subject him to the human rights/parental rights/finacial rights that is the Family Court System if his wife should ever disobey Gods word and choose divorce and state sanctioned child kidnapping.
She will not get 50 to 80% of your wealth plus lifelong alimony in thay situation unless you sign a marriage license.
So what you really mean is you want us to sign out human/parental/finacial/property rights away to a woman and to the state to prop up and support feminism and tyranny with no biblical obligation whatsoever to do so.
False.
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Jesus hates religion
God gave us puberty and before that is the freedom to get married.
Mark 10:6-9
At the beginning of creation God made them male and female:
For this cause shall man leave his father and mother, and cleave unto his wife.
And they twain shall be one flesh: so that they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Therefore, what God hath coupled together, let not man separate
I don't want the government involved in my marriage. No thanks.
Oh c'mon.... they can change the laws any time they want and if you don't pay support, you get 3 square meals a day
I still need an answer to HOW can I get married under my creator and father ONLY and be recognized as married. I'm getting married ASAP and can't find a good answer to this
You can be legally married to someone and still not abide in love. You can still cheat on them. Abuse them, be with them only for money etc. That’s not abiding in God or in love. but by using the logic “the government must condone it for it to be in Gods eyes” is not valid. God is the basis for everything. He is the standard for what is good and what is evil.
Roman’s 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The whole basic of marriage is love. God is love is love is God. Marriage is love which=God. If you abide in God you automatically abide in love which is marriage. John 15:10 supports this “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
@@AisASMR although I do appreciate and even completely concur with your response to me question. It in no way answered my question.
But rather, BECAUSE I agree completely and utterly with what you said, I can't in good consciousness have this very worldly, even at times evil Gov and it's contract be the presider and officiator of my union. It can only, and will only be between Yah, me and her! At any/ all cost. My question was though, in order for our Ecclesiastes marriage to be viewed as a "marriage" by the state, companies, insurance medical decisions, property so on. What steps should I take to ensure this, without succeeding or replenishing power to the gov. Over my marriage or any fruit it bears?
I know people all over are doing this successfully. But I'm not getting any real answers on how to do this.
So for now I've decided to write up a contract between her and I, detailing all the important aspects we can imagine. And be able to amend later on together. Then file it with the county clerks office (or somewhere to record it). Then start a trust for all of our property. Get a power of attorney to handle ALL personal and financial and medical decisions to my wife and vice versa, and have our ceremony. Sign our family Bible together. And now we're married. (Or so we hope its enough to have us equal as one in all aspects of law property and decisions.
So again. ANYONE with ANY advice on how they did this themselves, please let us know!! It's the only thing holding us up right now! Thank you!!!
I would say you both would make your vows to each other. Then pray and both make a vow to God to keep your vows to each other.
God expects and requires us to keep our vows.
No different than someone reading these vows then you saying yes
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Vow’s don’t make us honor them. We have to choose to honor and keep our vows
@@adamwhitfield5571I found a godly minister who agrees with this position.
We did a normal wedding. No license. We have rings . We are married in God's eyes and all our friends and family. Some know it's off the books . Some don't. If she leaves that would hurt but that worthless certificate does nothing to prevent that. That certificate was used by my ex to shut the mouths of her godly parents who told her she had no right to divorce me. She said that what she was doing was legal( it was), and they didn't know what to say. Alot of good that license did after nineteen years of marriage.
But my present wife has insurance through work. I'm self employed and need insurance. I can't be on hers. No way around it.
That's a price.
However I can never be served with divorce papers. Priceless.
If I leave her my Christian friends and family will strongly rebuke me. And I won't be able to claim I have a right just because the courts will grant me a divorce.
To me its what God the Father says, not what the government says.
Sometimes when the government is involved, in certain circumstances, it’s not much of a benefit. Children’s insurances and grants and stuff it can actually hurt it. Mine wants to wait because of these things but we struggle with purity and I told her I am more than happy to make it right before God if we can do it that way without getting the government involved. I’m OK with spending the rest of my life with her without a shadow of a doubt.
it is the church, the body of Christ that must determine matters of dispute and not government or legal institutions outside of it - for "shall we not judge angels?"
Of course, leadership overall has failed dismally in this regard to be obedient on this very serious matter.
where can I buy a marriage certificate so I don't have to go through the state?
Too many of yall focused on divorce and such... if the other person is the right one for you, you wont have those worries.
whatever... Uriah didn't have to worry about divorce either.... David had him killed, so he could take his wife. I said I would never.... and I fought it tooth and nail, and she still got her papers. And no help from the church.
My old pastor would not do a ceremony without a license
That's why he is old.... To him it is tradition .... He would loose his pention ..... And probably get booted
he's an ignoramus just like I was a few years ago concerning this issue. They aren't taught properly in seminary.
If God has blessed the marriage. Why go to the state for Tax breaks and benefits(money/ more)? Isn't Gods system enough? Is the "next step" your own hearts bidding, or was it part of Gods system?
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God gave us the government?
Oh dear - how can someone be so naïve?
this video didn't aged well...
I was told if you aren't legally married you'll go to hell. I was told this years ago. I want to make sure that we are right with God and it seems that we are.
There is no Biblical basis for that. Someone was joking with you or they are deceived.
Yes and should.
Last time someone I know just got marriage blessings. He just ditched the girl once he thought they didn’t get along
The government is the 3rd party..
God doesn't even need someones belief. My ex husband didn't believe.
I had god in mind, he didn't.
We had aura pictures the next day and his was black.
Mine was mostly magenta with a little purple and white.
The Bible says forgiveness makes your sins red to white so the white in my aura i think was to do with that.
Light > aura.
always thought marriage is between you, your partner, and god...........
Where does it say that to be considered by God married, a pastor has to perform a ceremony or you need a ceremony at all?
It doesn't, but that's shaky reasoning. You are arriving at the right conclusion by the wrong path. You just lucked up by arriving at the correct place. There are lots of things the Bible doesn't say, but the Bible doesn't have to explicitly say something for it to be true or relevant. The Bible never mentions "Trinity" or "Bible", nor does it condemn beastiality in the New Testament under the New Covenant. We have to reason through some issues and apply the Bible correctly.
i don't agree that the government is a GOD given institution. More like benefits to follow their laws.
You do t believe the Bible?
Romans 13 1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Verse 4 mentions that rulers are the ministers of God, so it’s clearly referring to spiritual rule under God.
What are the benefits you receive that you already receive when your single ?
you get 3 square meals if you don't pay child support ;)
I want to get married like this without registered.but no one accepting me, withoit getting married first in city hall(by the court) plz any advice
What are your thoughts on this now? A larger percentage of marriages end in divorce and many women have initiated it causing men to suffer financially or lose custody of their children. Rulings are more in favor of the women even if the man is better equipped to care for the children and the wife isn't always in the right for divorcing the husband.
I think a lot of women who divorce for the wrong reasons or don't hold marriage as final have made it harder for the women who want to be dedicated to get married both biblically and in the eyes of the government. It now seems that men aren't as afraid of marriage as they are of divorce.
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