Documentary about the IRA and women in Belfast (1995)
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- Original title: Whatever you say, say nothing
"I don't like living here, but I can't run away just because of the killing. I hope nobody in my family is going to get killed". (Shauna)
On the 14th of July 1994, a woman was found dead close to the Northern Irish border. 34-year-old Caroline of Belfast had been executed by the IRA for being a spy.
6 months earlier, filmmaker Brenda Parkerson had met with Caroline's daughter Shauna. Caroline said in an interview that she could not remember living in a time of peace; she has been a young child when the "troubles" in Belfast started. During the 25 years during which the war lasted, she got married and raised three children; and only a few weeks before the ceasefire started she was killed. Since the ceasefire, the situation in Northern Ireland has not changed much: the fear to talk is as big as ever before.
Brenda Parkerson investigates the sociological conditions that allowed such a crime to happen.
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A film by Brenda Parkerson
Script, directing: Brenda Parkerson
Camera: Sophie Maintigneux, Peter Miller
Editing: Brenda Parkerson
Sound: Simon Wood
#womenempowerment #history #documentary #ira #ireland #northireland
What a fantastic documentary. What we Irish had to put up with. Ending was superb and so poetic.
Who are 'we Irish'?....Southern Irish or Northern Irish?...two VERY different countries.
VinniethePanda makes no difference, Ireland is 1 island, and if you were born on it either north or south then your Irish, simple as that, it's the way the world sees it, but it's only your discretion whether your British or Irish, me, I'm an Irishman and proud of it,!
@@TheScouseassassin two very different countries dont allow both sides to have either passport, both sides to play for each others national teams in sport and normally have a border, a different language and are identified by different names often containing part of the name of their countries, ie Scotland - Scots England - English, now lets look at Republic Of IRELAND and Northern IRELAND, IRISH or Northern IRISH, strange eh.
And I hold dual Irish and English nationality...proves nothing.
@SlavSurprise No it's absolutely not! I grew up in Ireland, I do know what I'm talking about.
Britain’s unsavoury past. Should never have been in Ireland. As a medic I worked with a large group of Irish people in the suburbs of London. They gave me anecdotal accounts of life under British rule in Eire before independence, appalling and shameful chapters of British history. But the fact that brutality and suppression in Northern Ireland continued into the late 20th century is unforgivable and unbelievable. Britain wades into international situations berating other nations for their abuse of human rights, yet their own history of abuse of human rights is still fresh in the memories of those unfortunate to have been a living part of it.
Josh Doherty there would only have been civil war because there was an occupation/invasion by our country, England. We should never have been there. If we hadn’t been there there would be no need for any civil war.
@Lewis Taylor yeah and the British should have let go of power when they nearly committed genocide against us. The Brits did nothing to help Ireland
Couldn't agree more
Why were they in London then? Don't whinge about another country and then choose to live there.
@@rita2774 running water, electricity, medicine, education. Honestly the list is endless
I left school in 1985 I wanted to go into the army my mum said over her dead body. She said there is no way I have brought you up to go to Ireland to be shot. As I got older I understood what she meant with so many soldiers not coming home ( having watched the BBC all my life And only believing what we were told) I visited and worked there between 1998-2006 working from Belfast to Newry stayed in many places and being warned not to do this or that because I looked like ex army, and my English accent would put me in danger. I can honestly say I met nothing but lovely honest people. I spent weeks living in hotels in Derry,
Belfast,(Park Ave hotel) visiting the Shankhill and the falls Rd ( with a few stories to tell obviously) also stayed in Newry( Mourne country hotel many times,) visited Nutts corner Sunday Market. Coleraine, Ballymena, (being there in marching season was something that will stay with forever)
I am from Manchester with an obvious English accent but in all my visits i never felt scared. Northern Irish people are the salt of the earth. In my experience they just want to make sure you are well fed and watered. Would love to go back sometime.
as a a german who is interested what happended in Northern Ireland,
i wish you all best for your life! 👍
Try in the South with your English accent mate
@@GermanHighwayduringtheworldoil go back to the very beginning or you’ll get wrong information,,The Irish invited the Brits to help them and they secured the North ,,1690 King Billy crossed the River Boyle and rest is history!,,
@@GermanHighwayduringtheworldoil learn proper history
Ira are bastards
Couldn't help but near cry when the little girl ( Shawna) skating semi oblivious down the street pondering flag representations and how she worries about the killings ..I hope her world is safe and secure wherever she may live now. God bless the Irish and all loving people.❤💚
Was she not murdered by the Ira ?
I was a young girl our family of 6;small children having to escape from a gunman shooting from st . Matthew chapel in east Belfast being taken from our beds in middle of night because men getting shot bullets ricochet down street petrol bomb s flung the chapel knew this was going on because the hitman was shooting from the chapel for 4 days we as young kids had to hide for days as from akilling. Monster I was 11 and younger brothers thank god good ppl looked after us
@@jacquelinemoore1663 was there that night !! I was 16 /17 at the time !! Terrible night, terrifying times .
She has a court battle out now against Special Branch and the state regarding the murder of her mother, Caroline Moreland. The young girl is a chef now.
This is profound as a child growing up here seeing this make sense why I still carry the pain from the troubles.
Because growing up as a catholic you had it grafted into you.
only old folk do, they are soon to be a forgotten generation as the new, younger and more intelligent generation politics enter Northern Ireland. We're done with news from the 70s every god damn bloody day. It's a broken record, nobody effin cares.
@@TH-camSupportTeams The Hubris of your ignorance is profound. Only old folk do? Old folk were young too you know, that's how they have memories lol. They are soon to be a forgotten generation... Nice, empathy for old folk too? The new younger and more intelligent generation enter politics. WTF?? How many year's since the Good Friday Agreement was signed? Their aint no " new intelligent" politicians, unless you class Jolene Bunting and Jamie Bryson as knew and intelligent, which is an almighty stretch to put it diplomatically, so I hate to spoil your party but the biggest political parties are Sinn Fein and the DUP = (Polarisation + Oldest Parties). Also which news channels are you watching that they are showing NI in the 70's every day... Thames TV 😂 I bet you were not even born when The Good Friday Agreement was signed🤣. Away back to your Pokemon, ya have me in stiches here!!!
@@paulmcwilliams7022 nicely put mate 😅
That sound of the helicopters, all day everyday its all we heard, i grew up in the 80s and 90s
nikto45 Belfast is the suicide capital of the uk mate, a lot of families are torn apart and a lot of people suffer from mental illness and addiction here. Not a really nice place to live lately, hearing about so many old friends who are killing themselves and dying.
I’ve heard the Dr.s prescribed so much anxiety meds for ptsd and such there’s still a huge problem with pill addiction there. But the dr.s in the US did the same thing here. Until recently they’ve cut back on over prescribing over here.
@@1Hannigan1 it used to be mad up in belfast fuck my mate got charged with a double murder and got 25 years
@nikto45 they're all Batshit crazy anyway
Yea same it was like boyz in the hood
I used to share a flat with 2 catholic lads from Belfast and they were 2 of the funniest nicest lads ever. I’m English and we got on great.
@The Preacher totally agree i take people how i find them and treat them how i like to be treat.
Its not if u are White Black catholic protestant, or What ever. Its how u treat human, its how nice u are
You're human and they're human who keep things humane. You see them as humans and they see you the same. In those situations, there are no issues. And that's how it should be.
Cool 👍
well if they were living in England with you of course they wouldn't be bitter. Pity they aren't all like that
As a Scottish proddy this is very tough viewing, but important. I'm trying to educate myself away from what BBC and ITV showed on TV pretty much every day of my formative years. The harsh life peaceful Catholics put up with is what we should have seen
Brits are taught with blinkers on. They know nothing of Irish history - only their own accomplishments and f@&k the rest. People often wonder why the Irish are fighting for our country to be reunited. I advise reading Irish history from 1888-1966
@@powderedtoastman3093 I think it's more subtle than being 'taught'. For me it's in the partisan media and having been brought up Proddy.
But regarding education or reading we studied the industrial revolution (referencing changing rural life and Highland Clearances), WW1 (referencing the Easter Rising and Suffragettes), Russian Revolution in high school, history. Nothing with particular blinkers on, but basically there was hardly time to cover any other global historical events.
I didn't know about 500 years of Scottish resistance and I'm Scottish.
I just looked up what a proddy is. If it's still considered a slur, I apologize for repeating it. I'm from the USA, and I'm watching this now because I believe it is our immediate future. It all makes me so sad.
Good on you for having an open mind and a willingness to learn. Those are rare and commendable traits indeed. Respect, friend.
@@NinjaGrrrl7734 'Proddy' isn't a slur - no worries
As an Englishman, I have to say the history between my country and Ireland is very sad. I love the Irish people, the music and the culture and look forward to visiting their country. Although there is peace now, it is a shame the troubles happened in the first place. I hope I never see history repeating itself in my lifetime.
if your going to visit avoid the rough places
@@exthetic6755 why we welcome you paddys in England we get along fine my birds nan is from Dublin lovely lady my mates dad Is also from there top notch ppl
scooby doo lad I meant avoid the rough places in Ireland
@@exthetic6755 is there a hatred of english ppl who have nothing to do with the government or army I cannot stand the government there all tossers mate
scooby doo naw not really a hatred in the Republic of Ireland more in the north , yea the government are fuckin shit
"God was the only one who could stop it but God wasn't there to stop it" ........fucking hell such prophetic words from a child so young
And the irony that the split is down religious lines .
Religion is so poisonous.
"And you dare to call me a terrorist,
while you look down your gun,
when I think of all the deeds that you have done" Best quote from the song Joe McDonnell
O' my name is Joe McDonnell From Belfast town I came
That city I will never see again
For in that town of Belfast I spent many happy days
I love that town in oh so many ways.
For it's there I spent my childhood and found for me a wife
And set out to make for her a life.
But all my young ambitions met with bitterness and hate
I soon found myself inside a prison gate.
CHORUS
And so you call me a terrorist
While you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done,
You have plundered many nations
Divided many lands
You have terrorized their people
You ruled with an iron hand.
And you brought this reign of terror to my land.
Though those many months internment in the and the Maze
I thought about my land thoughout those days
Why my country was divided
Why I was now in jail
Imprisoned without cause or without trial.
And although I love my country
I am not a bitter man
I have seen cruelty and injustice first hand.
Then one fateful morning I shook bold freedom's hand
For right or wrong I tried to free my land. CHORUS
then one cold October's morning trapped in the Lion's Den
I found myself imprisoned once again
I was committed to the H blocks for fourteen years or more
on the blanket the conditions there were poor
than a hunger strike we did commence for the dignity of man
but it seems to me that no one gave us a damn
and now I am a saddened man I've watched my comrades die
but no one seemed to care or wonder why
May God shine on you Bobby Sands for the courage you have shown
May your glory and your fame be widely known.
And Francis Hughs and Ray McCreesh you died unselfishly
And Patsy O'Hara and next in line is me
And all who lie behind me may your courage be the same
And I pray to God my life is not in vain.
Oh but sad and bitter was the year of 1981
For everything I lost and nothing won.
Does it go on for the next 2 hours?
Bobby Bill
Shut it you inbred scotch planter
Gaia Fox 👌👌 serious song
An incredible, moving and beautiful song.
Lost a pal to a car bomb in the 80s. Lovely soft-hearted Geordie lad. Only joined up because his dad was a hard-ass. Pity. It was his Turn to check a car. In a war he nerer understood. Never saw his family smile again. I'm sure there was plenty of that all round. Bloody waste. What a world they might have made.
This woman is disgusting telling lies. soldiers were killed along with a lot more good people. IRA are disgusting
Knew a few soft hearted Geordies who served, fantastic lads but You'll get no empathy from Irish Republicans on that one mate, they'll say they're sorry and literally stab you in the back, killing children for a piece of land eh. As an Ulsterman I am truly sorry to hear that, my Gramps served in the forces and he too was in favour of a free world but today it looks like the commies have it in the bag.
@@sandrarock.5007 Agreed!
@@sandrarock.5007 you are a liar! Used to cost disgusting you getting paid to do this I just do this for the RUC? Brits? If it wasn't for the Irish Republican Army , from 1916 on.. there'd be no free Ireland. And I do see the United Ireland or not in the future it's inevitable for us to come back together. Maybe all our brothers that left we went to America can come back don't even live in God for a couple years. I love my Irish Roman Catholic people! God bless
@Ichnid Mcgonagle here’s a thing, when you leave comments try to have a point to them 🤣 looper 🤣😂
Poor young child listening to that and having to live through it. I hope if you are watching you and your siblings have found some peace.
The amount of PTSD on both sides would be of the scales ⚖ its sad for all people involved. Be safe all
I grew up through it in the 90s it was crazy alot my age are hooked on prescription drugs because of it mainly diazepam and lyrica
@@irishgreen4634 this is true !!
@@irishgreen4634 feel sorry for you all on that. From an English paratrooper, 70s/ 80s and 90s
I grew up in Belfast and I’m convinced I’ve got mild PTSD. I’m so easily startled and loud banging noises really upset me even as an adult!
More trauma on the catholic side as any slight on the protestants had the whole society weeping and clapping them
Example 15 yr old catholic shot dead 1969 bombay street his mum said "how can that man just take his life"
An orange rioter shot dead east belfast 1970 his wife said "il never forgive those catholics for murdering my innocent husband"
Shows ya
Much love for the people of N Ireland, such beautiful, strong people. ❤️
@@ronan8834 nice one! Totally agree. But dont take offence lad, at some comments from folk who dont understand. They are well meaning but dont understand lingo
I dread to think the abuse that young girl received within her own community after her mother was executed for being an informer.
My father was infiltrator for mi5 in 70s. He also infiltrated the ira in early 70s. My dad spoke gaelic everything. They wouldn't catch him. My father passed away some years ago and that line of work he did long before he had children, or was married.
My dad had ptsd and was severely traumatised. In his last years I tried talking to him about his past. He told me everytime he was infiltrating he hated the people and organisation he was infiltrating. Except the ira. When my dad was done on his assignment he told his bosses how he really felt and that it was a disastrous situation in which the uk did nothing but wrong (he saw the bodies on bloody sunday and what british military did). Of course they didn't care but my dad said from that moment he would try to get out of the mi5 for two reasons: 1: he would end up dead sooner than later and 2: he no longer believed he was doing anything right.
My dad managed to eventually get out, became art historian and teacher and loved the irish ever since. He was by no means catholic.
I wish I had asked my father a lot more, but he was a difficult person to talk to about his past and I didn't expect him to die when he did. Since then however I also hold warm feelings for the irish cause after I read into it. I hope you will get a unified ireland independent and without religious problems and no more intervention from the Brits (English)
gee thats one heck of a story ya got there...but no one should believe it unless you provide a name or more details. otherwise it sounds like nice bit of propaganda. cause anyone who worked in intel saw up close the brutality and ruthlessness of paramilitaries and indeed their own agencies, playing chess with peoples lives
@@MindbodyMedic I have no reason to give a name since I don't mind anyone not believing me. That wasn't my intention and my father was obviously not doing this on his own name. Despite that I'm from the Netherlands and so was my father. In my country there wasn't much attention for this, let alone the details. Just something my father told me when he was nearing his death (in hindsight) I wish it wasn't true, because it wasn't easy living with my father and how he was trained and traumatised.
@@drunkensailor112 with those details I'll be able to find out in any case as that sounds like a unique case. if true I get the need for caution. it would make an interesting story due to the Netherlands William of Orange having a fluent gaelic speaker etc. the PTSD and hangover of troubles has meant more have died via suicide since 1998 peace agreemen than died during the entire conflict
Irish that fought for the U.S Army during the US Mexico war, turned around and joined the Mexicans because they saw them as in the right, The U.S hung them all,
There is a division of the Mexican army now called the San Patricio's dedicated to those men
@@djpaulcfunkeddub3951 could you point me in the direction of any info on this, trying to educate myself, truly a reassuring story in some ways to know people will follow their heart even when it will put them I Jeopardy.
What a superb documentary. It flowed yet you kept it "tight" - in a good way. In the 1st third you state "I'm making this documsntary and don't know if I should." (Or words to that effect.) You did it because you followed what "the little voice inside you" directed you to do. Remember: "It" will NEVER lead you astray. Wishing you continued success.
May those involved, Irish rebels, British military and civilians rest in peace over the countless of attacks . Both sides lived in fear but also anger. And let’s hope a more peaceful future comes for Ireland, and the UK.
When the partition is dissolved, you still won't get your hope fullfilled. There's still segregated housing, peace walls in Belfast and Portadown. And the Protestants are very nervous about Brexit, hence the peace wall fighting in West Belfast a few months back. Daft post.
@@flowerofscotland8839 Protestants are nervous about brexit so they riot at the peace walls ?
@@rastaman5354 That's what is was claimed to be about, by the Protestant rioters and residents, via the news. I think that covers why.
@@ProfileP246 I love the way you leave out the UDA, UFF, UVF and the RHC. No children killed by them eh? I'm thinking of those three wee laddies in Antrim. Burnt to death by a petrol bomb thrown at the house.
@@ProfileP246 If you say so. But what a revolting notion to have. You sound English - pompous. And no acknowledgement of the four protestant terror groups? Wonder why? LOL. I don't think you know what they stand for. No a clue. True Brit when it comes to the north east of Ireland.
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children"
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Kenny Ross I have no idea what you're trying to tell me
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An Irish women supported the Indian independence movement we Indians strongly support irish nationals against the colonial british empire . Freedom to Northern Ireland and Scotland
Echoes of Linda Hamilton's narration in T2
Thank you. Blessings ever from Belfast. From a child of The Troubles.
Where is this film on IMDB? I don't find it there with the title "Whatever you say, say nothing" as per the description here on TH-cam. Also who composed the music?
My x girlfriend and mother of my son moved to England from Belfast in the 80s. I heard stories from her and from her parents. It must of been a really hard time and place to live. A lot of children sore things that nobody should have to see. I’ve seen and read some shocking things. Hopefully things never get that bad again. Thanks for the documentary.
Even in the United Stares between families, my father & his family were from Northern Ireland, my Mother & family were from Cork. My Mother’s family despised my Father. Just because he was from County Armagh. This was in the 60s & 70s.
@Connor O'Sullivan My Grandfather was IRA, I can’t change that he was good to us, my Father was good to us the past is the past
@Connor O'Sullivan you talk like we're not living on the same island, people like you are the problem
So what did you hear ?
The tragic conclusion to this video is Carolines murder by her own. May she RIP....
The children are growing up in peace 💓
I was a prod, during these times, we were no better off, kitchen house with an outside toilet, no electricity, kids going to school in their barefeet. we were forced out of our home three times. There was social injustice on both sides. poverty was the norm.
Wise up. Huns weren't out marching for basic civil liberties were they? You grew up poor, not oppressed. Silly bastard.
Not as bad as the catholics
@@glitchshed11 Every bit as bad, no difference I can assure you.
@@ononewheellad k bolenko
God bless you
I was born in 1991 so thankfully I missed most of the violence. But I remember growing up in the mid-late 90s that the past threat was always looming over people’s heads. And when I was a out playing in the streets I was always told to be aware of my surroundings at all times. But because I didn’t experience any direct contact with the Troubles, I’ve always felt a confusing mix between disassociation and a deep rooted fear of it happening again. Guess many local people of my generation feel the same way.
Supposedly there is a video on a attack or bombing back in 1994 .. my son is a year older than you .. America had 9/11.. and the Ok bombing.. bombing threats and action is horrible no matter where you are
I was born in 68 in the Royal Victoria we came to England because of the troubles. But always remember family coming to visit us. I've read so much about Irish history. Definitely not as black and white as some would think
@@pemj7360
Yeah it’s definitely a grey area. Atrocities committed by both sides, and innocent people like yourself either had to suffer or move country to escape it. Hope you and your family are safe and well bud. It’s much better now if you want to come and visit. There’s still a few hooligans about but what country doesn’t have that? But both Catholics and Protestants can mingle freely, thankfully I have a very mixed friendship group and we are very close knit :)
@@MaskoftheWraith oddly enough was meant of gone over last year . We was going to tour the whole of Ireland I still have family in the North but the cvid put pay . Hopefully soon . Stay safe bud
Thank you for recording the struggle for which so many suffered.❤
Interesting documentary, I worked there late 80's to the mid 90's.......hope peace remains for the sake of everyone.
Republicans are still bombing and murdering. Latest was an innocent female journalist in Londonderry. Absolute scum.
@Rowan O'Mullane The only abuse going on at the minute is republicans murdering each other over drugs. Try and keep up to date you muppet.
No peace it's still the same only without the bombings but beatings n shootings still as real today
@@gazzanorth4373 tell that to the family of terminally ill Glen Quinn who was beaten to death in his own home in January 2020 by Protestant paramilitaries
@@gazzanorth4373 Derry say it right lad.
Nordie women have an ingredient that is nearly impossible to describe. It seems they are genetically programmed to be beautiful, loving but also as hard as a coffin nail. When a Nordie woman cries, she does it in the rain so that nobody can tell which drops are her tears.
I was 16 when shit in Balkan started
Can relate to Irish people and their struggles
When you have a senses of injustice nothing can stop you
Aye lad your so right.
The difference is that injustice in Ireland lasted for centuries and the lower level of military hardware in NI.
Yes, that was awful as well throughout the 1990s.
How are you today?
Where do you live now?
Best wishes
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 Gaddafi changed the game in the 80s
What year was this filmed?
Once seen never forgotten, RIP Sean Heuston 1919. Funny how those who look at you through their gun scopes, call us terrorists.
Paras 🇬🇧👍No Surrender
All very sad, all of it :(
how are the press & the BBC still in business after all the lies they told with the govt
You need to look into who actually runs the papers and tv stations. For real.
There lies your answer
it just shows that the injustice everyone and mostly irish people had togo trough
You haven't got a clue
Seems you're overlooking the fact the documentary is about a woman who was murdered by The IRA.
I guess that they were 'forced' into that decision then?
@@AM-ty3zp shut your hole
@Razor Mouth☘️ in comparison i'm sure when the IRA captured a British soldier they will shoot him on the spot you're the twat.
Back in 2000 when I was young prime of my life I traveled to Ireland with my dad and my uncle their dad my grampa was born in northern Ireland in lurgan excuse my spelling we landed in Shannon strait flight from Detroit mi and I remember the customs agent said to my father and uncle welcome home and I always thought how cool that was that he said that we had a blast met many pritty girls and wonderful people there is no shortage of musical talent everywhere you stop along the way everyone was so nice and enjoyed every bit of it now we rented a car and dam near drove the entire country half in the bag at that now when we arrived to lurgan northern Ireland we drove straight into a complete riot I'm talking military troops vehicles and men beating drums behind the army British army while other men with masks on were throwing everything you can think of at them later my aunt Sheila who was my grandfather's sister who still lived there told us what was going on and why what happened happened long story short I couldn't believe the difference from south to north Ireland and I understand why my grand father left to America however once it was night time we went down to local pub in lurgan where all that trouble was happening earlier in the day and it was all good the catholic people played their beautiful music and we went ahead and partyied on might have helped that we were Catholic as well and aunt Sheila took us all to church earlier in the day anyway it was a blast the people were awesome the music was awesome I love the little pubs not the big tourist bars the small village ones that is where the truly beautiful people and voices are God bless the Irish and prayers for my relatives stretching back thru the ages I can't emagine what extreme beauty they enjoyed and what extreme cruelty and suffering they endured but the trip changed me forever and I learned alot
Thanks for posting this ,,A great documentry and chilling to the bone.Thank God for Peace.
A very one sided documentary more like a work of fiction
I hope the little girl survived the troubles
Yes she did. Mother Caroline Moorland was killed towards the end of the Troubles.
I am English with some Scottish in me not Irish but I do feel for all the people caught up in the troubles. I try to keep away from politics and all the Catholics and protestants. I am a Catholic but it's not about this. Peace is the key Irish or English Scottish or Welsh.... human's is what we all are.
Rye Multi Storey British started the conflict in the 1600s.
Robert Kelly yes that's true and to be honest I think they should give northern Ireland back to Ireland but seems too much water under the bridge now. I dont agree with what the British have done and the way they have treated Ireland is disgrace. Terrible that people lost there lives caught up in the troubles really
I am English born and raised I have Irish roots don't get involved in politics
We should certainly give Northern Ireland back to Ireland
The British Army should never have gone into Northern Ireland they are trained to kill not police the streets Margaret Thatcher's fault heartless horrible woman
"If grandpa was here, he'd get it to stop." - the naieve innocence of children
The Resistance if God was here.
Said God...but yes also naive
@@llamov it's the lord's conditions that matters not yours or mine.
The Resistance lol wtf were you watching?
God, it’s a hard accent unless you’re irish
Troubles, what a nice word for pure terror from both sides .
In Ireland WWII was called "the emergency".
From both sides?? They evaded our country and terrorised our people, why would we not fight back???
@@nadineorourke8626 that is understandable, but isn´t is terrorism of the same level just to cut somebody in pieces only because he is of another religious believe ? ( butcher boys in Derry )
@@a.kievstar0256 the religious IRA Catholics vs. UVF Protestants was only at the beginning of the troubles, then it shifted more to a political campaign, with socialist IRA vs. governmental army...
@@a.kievstar0256 Are you talking about the Shankill Butchers in Belfast or something else? They were UVF members if that's what you're referring to.
What is name of song at 10:10?
Fascinating, thank you.❤❤
Ronnie pickering wouldve smashed um.
covid lockdown hahahaha yes ,
The hero we don’t deserve 💪🏻
Trialbystone17 say his name three time looking into a mirror... and he shall appear
Trialbystone17 That means he likes you, he usually only communicates in grunts and gestures.
No surrender.... the pope's a bender. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧KAT
Every documentary about Nothern Ireland'shistory ... Like a jigsaw puzzle and never all the pieces are in the box to be layed out to see the whole picture ... And it always makes me very sad.
Blame the brits they created the monster
@@paulgalligan1916 some one is always to blame but a whole race of people is not to blame ..its always a small group of individuals that cause problems and unfortunately its always the innocents that pay the price. All sides have sickos and monsters are monsters to begin with and just use excuses for being one.
@@paulgalligan1916 go away u prick
@@markyinbelfastxx9088 ask me bollix 😂🇮🇪
@@paulgalligan1916 lol fair one
It was upon a lammas night
When corn rigs are bonnie
Beneath the moon's unclouded light
I held awhile to annie
The time went by with careless heed
'Till 'tween the late and early
With small persuasion she agreed
To see me through the barley
Corn rigs and barley rigs and
Corn rigs are bonnie
I'll not forget that happy night
Among the rigs with annie
The sky was blue, the wind was still
The moon was shining clearly
I set her down with right goodwill
Among the rigs o' barley
I kent her heart was my own
I loved her most sincerely
I kissed her o'er and e'er again
Among the rigs of barley
I remember the troubles growing up. Horrible things happen and I took a beating by a soldier when I was 12 and he knocked out my front teeth and broke my arm. I never forgot and I won't ever forgive. They need to leave bottom line.
Solidarity from a American comrade for the liberation of Ireland from the crown.
Whats the name of this documentary
Brits: yOU hAvE nO rEaSOn To dISliKe uS
You don't have reason to hate the Brits. You have many valid reasons to hate thier government, however.
That beautiful curly redhead is the Caroline who was murdered. I’ve watched this a couple of times and I didn’t connect it until I saw another documentary about her death.
Omg 🤧
This opening clip with no voice over and a banging punk tune, and you'd probably have one of the best opening sequences since train spotting
That sounds good, possibly Suspect Device or Alternative Ulster by SLF or maybe even Big A Little A by Crass.
an argument on both sides that will not go away.
Seems the sectarian state since its creation has created all this
My dad lived through this and once a gun was being shot close to him and he just ducked and survived
Shows how lucky we are
@woody Vallallellalunga so pretty much any armys?
@woody Vallallellalunga ok
Your dad was an informant.
I grew up in Belfast seen so much I could write a book , how I servived I don’t know , it’s a beautiful city now but omg we went through stuff other children never seen , but in years to come they will realise we all suffer from a illness something like post traumatic stress disorder.
paul Flynn mr clean ni I lived in Belfast but unlike you I had great parents that looked after their children..so I don’t understand what planet you were living on as a child maybe you should have a talk with your parents if you know them and ask why you hard to endure such a horrible experience as a child living in a slum cause that is really what you lived in from the experience you are telling us
John winter unfortunately my parents are dead but they where lovely people and I had a great child hood too as my people where country people unfortunately they couldn’t answer my questions , seems to me you must have been in some sort of bubble or maybe you wore them things horses wore blinkers , see what you want to see ....like so many people ..
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@@binflynn1 subscribed paul.👍Erin
Olav Langli I think it’s part of the problem ,Palestine has a similar problem too ..🙈
Does someone have a link to the original video from the thumbnail picture? Where they're moving tactically in an alley
II EPSILON II ‘tactically’ uh no.
Llf
10:10
Someone knows the song's name?
The tune is from the song Kevin Barry
@@josephahiggins5920
God bless you, my friend
Not going to lie first time I went out with the royal irerish I shit myself ,mixed bag of emotions hundreds of people throwing pipe bombs all sorts at each other and it just made me sad the hate that both sides have for each other it truly was an eye opener and a great 3 years the people were lovely.
Ian paisley put the fuel to the fire he hated us irish
He was an evil man
I for one am not believe ing the love for peace that he so much spoke about
He was born in Ireland he was irish
Bit of a silly comment seeing the man was Irish , I’m no fan of extremists nor a fan of oppression, why can’t we all live together as one ?
@Michael Halligan not literally but technically
How the fuck can someone call themselves Irish but then plead allegiance too Britain this i can never understand its backwards thinking.
Those rollerscates dont roll
Trouble is though who does the little girl blame for her mother’s death? In this scenario I think 20 years in jail or death was not on the table and the mum took the free route for her daughter but she never expected to be killed? Learning the ins and outs is very sad.
Really interesting hearing from the people themselves who lived through the troubles.
My best friend's Mom was a war bride from Ireland to the US (O'Sullivan) and she had lots of stories of the Protestant abuse and hatred. It's so ingrained in the US too that I met a woman who's father had always told her to wear "orange" on St Pats Day. Now the world faces larger threats and these documentaries will always remind us of where we've been...and why!
I'm American a mutt essentially, but half my family immigrated from either the Highlands to Canada than the US, or from Ireland to Scotland for a short period to America. I'm also catholic, and grew up going to the predominately Irish Catholic Church of our city (the Catholic faith is decreasing and splitting it up by the Irish, German, and Italian churches isn't as prominent anymore, and recently the prominently Italian churches closed it's doors. many have closed their doors due to the faith dying out but that's the way it used to be).
Anyways my point their is evident disdain for Catholics in the USA, but for whatever reason on St. Patty's Day they all decide it's ok for one day, and they celebrate the shit out of it. Mostly cause it's a good excuse to get drunk.That's my experience here in the states as an American. Of course it's a big country so views differ all over. They harp on all the sex scandals in Catholic church, but turn a blind eye to the sex abuse, human trafficking, and just overall despicable actions in Hollywood, Protestant denominations, and in the political world.
Theirs an attack on Christianity all together nowadays, but has always seemed to be very heavily targeted at Catholic church.
@@danielmelvin4525 I couldn’t agree more. A lot of people say the bad things about Christianity but only seem to mention catholics. I say mention the wrong things all denominations of Christianity or none
@@maevegrace5845 I will and do. Religion has been a detriment to peace as long as it has existed. It has caused more suffering and death than any disease or natural disaster, or any war. It should be a private matter and religion should NEVER become law. Ethics exist apart from religion.
Abuse and hatred from both sides.
@@danielmelvin4525 Anythng and everything has been approrpriated by big business in order to turn it into a profit-making opportunity.
Also, we are supposed to have a climate change problem or are running out of oil so why is so much plastic created and then thrown away just in order to make decorations and the like for celebrations of everything.
Money - it always comes back to money.
My lady's of Ireland 🇮🇪 who gives life. You do. You can give it, and take it.
May the road rise to meet you.♡
Grew up in Beechmout, loved playing round the new mick. That's exactly how I remember it down there. Looks run down now but didn't at the time. Sure we knew no better. But even though the troubles were going on it was still safer to walk the streets at night.
I grew up in New Barnsley 😁
So this is the reason why my Grandpa left Northern Ireland and moved to Australia in the 1950's. I never fully understand the troubles over there.
Special Ed yaay you never will fully understand because this is an extremely biased documentary 😂
Teddy Gers it was pretty much the same story on both sides sadly.
@@teddygers8734 rich coming from a hun
Girls in 2020: “Join my OnlyFans.”
Women in the 70’s IRA: “Join our cause!”
No joke that doco was depressing and also intriguing. Much respect for putting this together and showing us how life was in Northern Ireland during those troubled times. 😔
its still like that nowadays, just not quit as bad.
You got new groups now like RAAD, CIRA, NIRA, RIRA...
Given the recent riots in NI, we could very well see OnlyFans be used to fund the Troubles II: Brexit Boogaloo
@@DaL33T5 LOL
nice sexism there lmao
@@rita2774 ?
wut
Does that start in Springfield avenue?
Looks around there or maybe around beechmount
Do them wheels actually go round ??
This is the result of sin and evil on earth. It's easy for me to just type and say whatever here, but I do believe God will prevail over evil.
Well he's clearly taking his time.
God Didn’t prevail Anyways did he?
10:09 that song....who is singing it. Beautiful voice
Forgive me but I was watching the little girl on roller skates in the beginning and all I could think was 'please don't wipe out...'
only wanted to see the bit with the bikes racing love it
Between the music interludes and the going back & forth in time so frequently, I found this impossible to continue watching past 8:34 minutes. Too bad for me I guess, because it looks interesting; it appears it will be informative. I like the fact that it is from a few women's experience, perspectives and percepti8ons.
Thanks for posting this. A remarkable piece, an independent film with good access to the territory. You might not like it but...Unfortunately, in the comments below most people who claim to have watched this are devoted to the sectarian divide, such abuse and hatred. One person recommended secular schools, which would do us all a power of good whichever part of the world you're in, god has nothing to do with it. How to talk to each other in a civil manner on TH-cam or Facebook..The History of Religions at O-Level Plus Chinese, Russian, Arabic etc.You would think that out of all the festering boils of historic injustice, Israel v Palestine, Albnania v Turkey, Turkey v Greece etc., this one would have been sorted out by now. The DUP getting handouts from May's government beyond belief ''There is no money tree''..The Uk Labour Party won't stand in the north, Sinn Fein won't take their seats at Westminster, Brexit approaching, I doubt the British Army has a taste for coming back, they've been downsized, still looking for cannon fodder amongst the proles though, techies and so on to go to do their bit and get treated like shit when they come home traumatised. South of The Border, the Taoiseach seems to be one of the few people talking any sense.
Thanks the video. Very informative.
Soon as flute music starts, I turn the volume down. Still in Belfast you don't want to be too loud with certain music in certain areas.
May I ask why?
@@joeplumley3238 Something ingrained I think. If say, Republican music from this was playing and the wrong person walked by, there's still a chance I could be harassed, hounded out of the area or worse.
It's not likely, but there are some things you just don't do in some areas..
@@UnexpectedAmy I understand. That's real terrible 😔. I can not imagine having pride for ones country and another country comes in and says that you are wrong and a terrorist. My family is from Ireland and England. My grandparents got along well wish the UK and Ireland would also.
I also know it's a religious things also. It's complicated to say the least I'm sure.
@@UnexpectedAmy you ever thought of moving to Ireland proper?
"The Americans kicked your arses, and I hope the Irish do one day too!"
- Some guy, somewhere
Who? When? Why?
Troubles and all, we had a blast growing up.
Aww her poor little girl lost her mum. I know it cuts both sides, but it's so sad all the troubles in ireland
Memories of helicopters in Derry back in the 80s...I still cannot bear that noise.
caroline was not an informer in any way so why murder her disgusting ira behavour
But scappaticci had to keep his cover. RIP
god... damn. That... that was... wow... That fucking sucked. The documentary didn't suck. The ending just. FUCK!!! That was fucking terrible. I was not expecting that. That shit was real... really fucking terrible. I have seen i don't know how many documentaries on the troubles but not one has put such a 'human face' on it as this. This shit... I was totally not expecting that. Holy FUCK this is one of the most terrible gut wrenching things I've seen or even heard about in my entire life. Hard to believe this isn't more well known or didn't win assloads of awards... aside from the fact that it's just so fucking terrible that no one wants to think twice about it. This... just... damn dude...
*How come we don't have religious problems in the USA. All religions are practiced in the USA and are protected by the USA Constitution. If I am not mistaken, the Irish Proclamation of 1916 states that the Irish Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty for all the Irish people.*
@Josh Doherty fenian dreamer
They just wanted trouble a few onboth sides and dragged everyone else into their squabnles
@@sauceymistersausages spot on. They use religion as an excuse to fight. Innocent people pay the price . Countless lives can be lost because of a few individuals in positions of power.
The British Crown had a preference for the Protestant religion and years before in Ireland removed Catholics from their homes, giving their homes to those of the Protestant religion. Tell me being kicked out of your house wouldn't make you a little touchy and resentful? Problems like the "Troubles" seem to me, partly to be a human phenomena of picking favourites and poor use of power. When a parent prefers another child, or a political force prefers another people, resentment builds. The doc gives plain facts. 92% of the police were Protestant even though 40% of the people are Catholic. Bring in equality and people's tempers improve. Life improves. This is true inside the home as well. And I know it's hard to practice but I believe it.
@@ivorbiggen2251
Exactly. Plan and simple.
so glad its a better place since i was last there
Michael Simpson the troubles have calmed way down but the slum housing etc is still as bad as ever.
@@judekelly8298 no it is not
Have you walked down Universal street so many abandoned houses
God bless you all.
Thank you for this real documentary with real footage and real photography. I'm so tired of all those amateur cartoon documentaries popping up in the suggested videos, garbage that looks like it was drawn by 8 year olds. Like what even is the point of that shit? Real imagery is by far the best way to grasp historical events.
My old man was a Belfast man, apparently lived in the divas flats, may have spelt that wrong 😳. We were told as kid's that the brits found guns under his mother's floorboards, so he had to leg it to Dublin, changed his name and joined the Irish army 🙄. I don't know much about his life only he spent years in England and died there many years ago. I do know the hard men of the time, in Crumlin, Dublin showed him respect, ah such is life . 🇮🇪 .
I wonder
I am almost certain it is spelt Divis but doesn't matter because your story is what counts not how words are spelt.
Divis flats on the falls road mate
We are fine.always have been always will be.
I agree, if there is one race that will survive until the sun burns out, I firmly believe it will be the Irish . They know how to laugh in the face of danger and sorrow and sometimes poverty. I truly believe that a United Ireland is closer now, than in a long time. And I believe this wonderful people we call Irish , will pass up a chance for revenge on their tormentors ( largely) for other things they treasure: Love, Joy , Harmony , Hope and Peace!
@A Loyal Proddie don't think she's irish
It’s hard to keep something respectful when you didn’t get respect
Bastards grief shall come to our heartless foe. ..tal32
@jimmy stewart Your right Jimmy. PATRIOTS THEY WERE.
@@starofdavid9919
Cowards they were. In a war you come out and face your enemies.
As a Welshman, and a proud Brit. All i can say is we should not have been in Ireland.
What a true word
That opening so cleaver beautiful
That was opened with a lie
I live on that street
Anyone know where I can find this IRA documentary from I think 1998 that I’m worried has been taken off of TH-cam. It had interviews with ex IRA members, including hunger strikers as well as ex British soldiers
It had an interview with a British soldier after an IRA attack on a bus full of British soldiers?
Voices from the grave. Search that
@@peterfox2070 it’s not this one unfortunately but thanks for the suggestion!
what a brave string woman...
She was a tout put peoples life at risk for money she earned way happened to her
Strange isn't it. If the Spanish Armada of August 1588 had succeeded in defeating the English ships, then the English throne would have reverted to Catholicism (as much of Lutheran Germany would do subsequently), there would have been no Ulster plantations, and none of this would have happened.
Tom Hulme the enemy of my enemy is my friend 🇮🇪
So were a big portion of the British establishment. Look up the Anglo-German Fellowship.
Charlie Bridges well it did now what's your point?.
you are neither a historian or verses in Northern Ireland ,keep reading your books.i served & lived there for 5 &1/2 years you know nothing of of the Troubles!!! ok.
Clark Kent there is no proof of God, that's why it's called FAITH ... To believe in the unseen
simply wonderful footage, reminder of a trauma so recent in the Irish national memory
The IRA tortured and murdered countless people in their own community. Absolute scum
@Rowan O'Mullane You ll actually find the stats show that the IRA killed more. Who the hell are the udf? lol Clueless twat
@@gazzanorth4373
Not to mention planting bombs on dead bodies calling police / Army blowing the lot up. And you have the nerve to call them heros. I know both sides suffered with atrocities but my God to do something like that totally evil.
@@gazzanorth4373 You are right, i never realised until i looked into it further. Shocking.
Except it’s not Ireland