Tuxedo Junction / TJ's? That's some esoteric knowledge if you're not from Eastbourne. Is Marina a Roedean girl? She hits the nail right on the head regarding the scope of old school clubbing, in its many forms, and it's demise.
My God what an episode! Rob Beckett pops in from next door like a miracle, and that's not even the main draw of the ep. Marina's drug lecture and bookshelfgate
"I'm sorry, why would you organise books so they cannot be easily retrieved?" *SLOW push in on VERY uncomfortable Richard* Genius editing!!! made me laugh so much
I have to say this is the first time I have really seen Richard and Marina having a real difference of opinion! I really enjoyed the slightly more adversarial chat!!! ❤
This is honestly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. I just cannot believe the passion that people have when it comes to organising their books
Marina rocks this podcast every week, but her thoughts around the predicted end of clubs in this week's episode are another level. The passion. The honesty. The hands 🙌 !! Keep it up, Marina. Legendary!
Lol. Came here to say the opposite. Clubs are not going out of business because of "booths"😂. It's because people mostly went to clubs to drink alcohol and hook up with people. Younger people don't drink anywhere near as much as previous generations and they use apps for their hookups. Bars all over Europe are dying too. It's part of a wider trend. She's clueless.
@@HawthornSpindle I have no difficulty believing clubs have got worse but they've always been shit. We used to put up with the overpriced drinks and shit music because that's just what we all did and there was no tinder. Some convinced themselves they actually liked it and some just went along with it but clubs closing down really isn't much of a loss.
👏 wow well said Marina, spot on regarding clubs/Ibiza/club-culture/drugs etc. “No soul” pretty much sums it up. Nice to hear someone talking with passion and honesty about the subject for once!
Wow! That was a heated episode. I laughed the whole way through my pile of ironing- post war shirts first, then trousers, followed by T shirts and Tea towels. Pre war stuff is so tatty, I’ve given up ironing it!😉
I live in a tiny cottage. My books are organised alphabetically by genre, and then alphabetically by author. There are shelves above doors, in the loo, lining entire walls to the (low) ceilings, under window casings, on window sills, in the recess on the staircase. I dream of having a library because I am running into four thousand volumes and I cannot weed. I recognise I am a book hoarder at this stage. Organising by colour or height gives me anxiety. The worst I have seen is turning books around so the spines can't be seen.
I feel this entirely. I'm only at about 2500 odd though, a room or 2 for a library exclusively is the dream. i just stack mine up the walls. by genre n authour. Theres always more books to read :)
How Richard didn't pardon the pun when he said "there's celebrations in the lawyers office" when talking about naming chocolate bars, I will never know!
We've shared our lives together for 3 decades - joint accounts, joint ownership, joint everything, lives fully inter-twinned. Merge the book collections? Are you fudging crazy!! and Winkers in Chalfont St Peter.
Great episode -loving Bookshelf Gate! I think whatever profession or industry you are in, whenever you see it portrayed on screen in a drama it really grinds your gears! As a retired teacher I can be completely ejected from the on-screen world when teachers are shown arriving at school at the same time as the students, leavig their jobs with minimal or no notice on a whim (at some points in the school year you have to give 3 months notice if you want to quit) or - and this is the Big One - walking around clutching a hot drink in an unlidded cup!!!!!
I’ll throw my two pence in: I have around 350 books and they’re organised by size because the shelves are different sizes. Apart from that, there’s no organisation at all because I like ‘surprises’ as I look along my shelves! I have my read and unread books separate though and series (like Thursday Murder Club) are obviously together.
As a student in Bath in the early-mid 80s a popular venue was 'The Island Club', but as it was subterranean repurposed public conveniences; it was generally known as 'The Bog Island Club'. As for bookshelves: a large one double stacked with Sci-Fi, the others a hybrid between Richard and Marina's 'systems', some size driven, some themed, like travel or general fiction.
Jesus, Marina just said about clubbing exactly what I have been saying. I was a DJ through the 90's, people either drank or chose ecstasy and speed, rarely you would get a bit of coke doing the rounds but you would spot the dickheads doing it a mile off and they were thrown out (unless they were management or other DJs) . I now see those dickheads are in the majority not only ruining nightlife but so many other aspects of everyday life. How has the obligatory white powder become so popular?
I saw that clip of Umberto Eco's library of many thousands of books, and I noticed that a lot of them had their spine facing inwards, so you couldn't see what they are. Now, that's a system.
In Bournemouth, the nightclub Zig Zag opened in 1984 and closed in 1991 when both itself and the adjacent Clouds nightclub - Zoo & Cage opened - complete with large cages that you could climb into for a dance. Since 2014, it’s been the home of Cameo Bournemouth.
I have just listened to this on audio podcasts, and let me say this could be a whole new genre for the rest is team. The Rest is Lifestyle where celebrity spouses/partners reveal the truth about their significant famous other’s quirks and habits. I have tears rolling down my face. Keep this going please!!!!
My favourite regional 80's nightclub was called Scandals - Richard wouldn't even have been able to stand up in there! It lived up to its name. And well said Marina, excellent explanation of why nightclubs are dying.
In 1980's Bradford, Yorkshire, there was Time & Place, Dukes and Silks and Cavernes. Time & Place had 3 rooms and 3 DJ's playing different styles of music. Cavernes was next to a Greek restaurant and was decorated like a Mediterranean cave. I spent a lot of fun nights with friends and colleagues in all 3. Also I was a police officer so I spent quite a bit of time dealing with drunks there too. Happy days! Now my son is a bouncer in Leeds. There are mostly late night and all night bars, not many of them seem to be like the disco's of the past. One he works at is a Turkish restaurant bar which is open until 3am. There still seems to be a fairly thriving night scene in Leeds but it is a University town.
In Bournemouth we had Zoo and Cage, Berlins and the Opera House. For the Alternative crowd we had the Villa and Club X. Great nights out in the late nineties!
The way Richard talks about size at 22:10 and then his giant hand appears in the foreground. I had to rewatch cause I thought the editor was having a laugh.
Marina is so spot on about club culture, I ran a event in a small pub where we converted it to a night club for one night every 3 months and we were killed off because of the pandemic we tried to run events after but the crowds changed and more people held off to go to bigger events rather than support their local artists.
A couple of great 90's night club names from Ireland, there was one on the outskirts of suburban Dublin called Steers, which ironically is a castrated male. Another was Tomangoes which made no sense other than it rhymed with the line 'where the gang still goes' in their radio ad.
In Pontypridd we had the Georgian In the 60s which became Gingers in the 70s. We also had Fawlty Towers and the Beech Tree. Just up the road in Porth was Charmonds. Nowadays it’s Eclipse, Ice and Platform 11.
My grandfather was a typesetter and later in his career, a compositor; beginning on hot metal presses, but moving on to phototypesetting and the digital towards the end of his career, and he would sometimes bemoan the quality of mocked up newspapers in film and TV. In general, the more he enjoyed everything else, the more forgiving he would be to those details.
Richard really annoyed me in this episode. Marina's glorious nightclub rant would have been great if only he wasn't continually interrupting and talking over her. By his own admission he's "not a nightclub guy" with nothing to say on the subject, but by God he was going to say it anyway.
Your book shelf organisation will depend on how many books you own. I probably own under 200 books and I have no organisational system at all. I have 3 cupboards/shelves that I keep my books on. 1 of them is in my home office/man cave and has books I might want to read when in there (either learning or media/gaming related.) The other 2 are both in the living room and have all the other books on them. The books go wherever they look nice, I am still going to spend under 20 seconds looking for one. I imagine from the quantity of Marina's categories that she has a lot more books than that, and that maybe such a system would make more sense in that situation.
Nice to hear Club UK get a mention, props to Marina for name dropping that one. Funnily enough it's a Pure Gym now so essentially still sweaty people in tight clothes necking water and dancing around to repetitive beats, just not until 6 in the morning.
Two night clubs I remember from the 80s in Southampton were Peggy Sue's and Barbarellas. Usually on student nights when it was £1 a pint. In Sydney, we clubbed at the Sapphire Lounge in King's Cross when we weren't at the Rex.
1:27 Richard's lawyers, By and Large 16:05 Richard's means of filing books, "by and large" = put those of the same size together 21:49 another shoutout for his means of filing books
Does anyone remember the Dome at Tufnell park, Camden palace before it was Koko, electric ballroom, electrowerks and fabric in the early 00’s? We had some times 🥲
It must be ingrained. I remember a McLaren designer describing the shape of their car as a “Coke bottle” before saying “of course other soft drinks are available”.
Re: arranging by book size. If you remember the size of the book, it’s remarkably efficient. You don’t need to see what letter you’re at for title, author’s name or date. Is it big/small/medium? Instantly you’ve eliminated 2/3rds of your collection.
Marina's night club monologues were perfect
Perfection
I thought she was going to break into the first verse of Ebenezzer Good...epic!
Tuxedo Junction / TJ's? That's some esoteric knowledge if you're not from Eastbourne.
Is Marina a Roedean girl?
She hits the nail right on the head regarding the scope of old school clubbing, in its many forms, and it's demise.
She made so much sense
Perfect would be if they could edit out Richard's speed-bump interruptions!
My God what an episode! Rob Beckett pops in from next door like a miracle, and that's not even the main draw of the ep. Marina's drug lecture and bookshelfgate
Marina ain't wrong regarding clubs. My respect on her knowledge base is ever increasing. Preach!
"I'm sorry, why would you organise books so they cannot be easily retrieved?"
*SLOW push in on VERY uncomfortable Richard*
Genius editing!!! made me laugh so much
I have to say this is the first time I have really seen Richard and Marina having a real difference of opinion! I really enjoyed the slightly more adversarial chat!!! ❤
This is honestly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. I just cannot believe the passion that people have when it comes to organising their books
Marina rocks this podcast every week, but her thoughts around the predicted end of clubs in this week's episode are another level. The passion. The honesty. The hands 🙌 !! Keep it up, Marina. Legendary!
It was perfect
I had a little accident in my pants.
My neighbours think I've lost it, I am CACKLING at the bookshelf discussion.
Loss of nightclubs...online dating. When we used to go out meeting someone on the dancefloor was part of the adventure.
Marina, absolutely bang on about clubs. Nailed it. This woman speaks the cultural truth.
Lol. Came here to say the opposite. Clubs are not going out of business because of "booths"😂. It's because people mostly went to clubs to drink alcohol and hook up with people. Younger people don't drink anywhere near as much as previous generations and they use apps for their hookups. Bars all over Europe are dying too. It's part of a wider trend. She's clueless.
@@peelben Both could be true.
@@HawthornSpindle I have no difficulty believing clubs have got worse but they've always been shit. We used to put up with the overpriced drinks and shit music because that's just what we all did and there was no tinder. Some convinced themselves they actually liked it and some just went along with it but clubs closing down really isn't much of a loss.
I loved going to a club called Pier Pressure in Aberystwyth. It was, of course, a student club that was on a pier.
That is quite beautiful. Thankyou.
Its right on so many levels, unlike the chinese man that fell down the stairs.
He was Wong on so many levels.
Whoever named that club is my kind of person 😅👏
👏 wow well said Marina, spot on regarding clubs/Ibiza/club-culture/drugs etc. “No soul” pretty much sums it up.
Nice to hear someone talking with passion and honesty about the subject for once!
"the war did change quite a lot of stuff" this is the peak journalism I expect. Love it.
Marina’s modern sermon on drugs and clubs - books and bookshelves. Someone to lead us and use us! Gets my vote.
Loved the final sign-off when Marina said, 'Let it go...see you next Tuesday'! I assume that was intentional? 🤣🤣🤣
They always say that. 😂
Wow! That was a heated episode. I laughed the whole way through my pile of ironing- post war shirts first, then trousers, followed by T shirts and Tea towels. Pre war stuff is so tatty, I’ve given up ironing it!😉
I live in a tiny cottage. My books are organised alphabetically by genre, and then alphabetically by author. There are shelves above doors, in the loo, lining entire walls to the (low) ceilings, under window casings, on window sills, in the recess on the staircase. I dream of having a library because I am running into four thousand volumes and I cannot weed. I recognise I am a book hoarder at this stage. Organising by colour or height gives me anxiety. The worst I have seen is turning books around so the spines can't be seen.
I feel this entirely. I'm only at about 2500 odd though, a room or 2 for a library exclusively is the dream. i just stack mine up the walls. by genre n authour. Theres always more books to read :)
Pre Slade, Post Slade - as good system as any.😂
Definitely
I'm now waiting for the viewers/ listeners to send in photos of their bookshelves.
How Richard didn't pardon the pun when he said "there's celebrations in the lawyers office" when talking about naming chocolate bars, I will never know!
funniest ever. love the horses mouth and bookshelves
There was a Tuxedo Junction in Newcastle in the late 80s with telephones. Derby = Pink Coconut around 1990
Bookcase organisation: Agree with the system Marina and Captain Gaslight employ. The vibes system is pretty good too.
Amazing episode, well done. Loved the nightclub monologue.
I could listen to you 2 arguing about book shelves for far longer than can be normal!!!
We've shared our lives together for 3 decades - joint accounts, joint ownership, joint everything, lives fully inter-twinned. Merge the book collections? Are you fudging crazy!! and Winkers in Chalfont St Peter.
The most heartfelt "see you next Tuesday" from Marina there! 😂
My wife organizes book by colour.
I look for them by topic / where I left them.
There is talk of bringing in the Dewey Decimal System
I have six very different kinds of shelves and the books that fit go on those shelves, that’s the only way.
He will go CRAZY when he discovers the Dewey Decimal Classification
the bookcase discussion is giving me life... best this year
I love you, Marina! Your passionate views/rants on night clubs and that whole scene are spot on. I'm so pleased that I have found this podcast.
A rare silence. Gold.
Great episode -loving Bookshelf Gate!
I think whatever profession or industry you are in, whenever you see it portrayed on screen in a drama it really grinds your gears!
As a retired teacher I can be completely ejected from the on-screen world when teachers are shown arriving at school at the same time as the students, leavig their jobs with minimal or no notice on a whim (at some points in the school year you have to give 3 months notice if you want to quit) or - and this is the Big One - walking around clutching a hot drink in an unlidded cup!!!!!
"Pre-the War" surely refers the War of the Roses, n'est-ce pas?
Camberley in Surrey had one called Joe Bananas back in the 90’s.
Top rant Marina! On fire 🔥
I’ll throw my two pence in: I have around 350 books and they’re organised by size because the shelves are different sizes. Apart from that, there’s no organisation at all because I like ‘surprises’ as I look along my shelves! I have my read and unread books separate though and series (like Thursday Murder Club) are obviously together.
As a student in Bath in the early-mid 80s a popular venue was 'The Island Club', but as it was subterranean repurposed public conveniences; it was generally known as 'The Bog Island Club'. As for bookshelves: a large one double stacked with Sci-Fi, the others a hybrid between Richard and Marina's 'systems', some size driven, some themed, like travel or general fiction.
Jesus, Marina just said about clubbing exactly what I have been saying. I was a DJ through the 90's, people either drank or chose ecstasy and speed, rarely you would get a bit of coke doing the rounds but you would spot the dickheads doing it a mile off and they were thrown out (unless they were management or other DJs) . I now see those dickheads are in the majority not only ruining nightlife but so many other aspects of everyday life. How has the obligatory white powder become so popular?
clubs used to be a cheap night out in the 90s..couple of white doves and a bottle of water
Marina's got me fired up!!! I haven't been clubbing for 20 years, but i'm well up for a large one...
I could listen to Marina drone on about the dance music scene of the 90’s for ages, let’s hear more of it. Unleash the Kraken
I saw that clip of Umberto Eco's library of many thousands of books, and I noticed that a lot of them had their spine facing inwards, so you couldn't see what they are. Now, that's a system.
I feel the need to reorganise my poetry books into pre first world war, post second world war and 1914-1945.
The Aapulco in Halifax is a legendary club with over fifty years of history (mainly dodgy including the famous Phantom Shitter)
I remember when they auctioned off the Acca carpet bit by bit: can’t believe anyone bought it.
Charles Dickens used to go around cemeteries to look for character names and he had a lot of great names.
Does this mean that books by the same author might be in different bookshelves? That sounds nuts to me.
In Bournemouth, the nightclub Zig Zag opened in 1984 and closed in 1991 when both itself and the adjacent Clouds nightclub - Zoo & Cage opened - complete with large cages that you could climb into for a dance. Since 2014, it’s been the home of Cameo Bournemouth.
By using the local library I have solved the scourge of books, never read again, clogging up the house
80s/90s club in Burnley called Mean Cat Daddies!! They did the 10p pints 1 night a week!
Crumbs, this really is moving on to another level. Joy. (Ps I got a lotta books and only I could ever understand the way they're organised).
I have just listened to this on audio podcasts, and let me say this could be a whole new genre for the rest is team. The Rest is Lifestyle where celebrity spouses/partners reveal the truth about their significant famous other’s quirks and habits. I have tears rolling down my face. Keep this going please!!!!
Provincial 80s nightclub name: Reflections
(in Dovercourt, Essex)
70’s 80’s night clubs. BRILL!
My ‘nightclub’ in the 70s in Blackpool was the multi floored Mecca - with the tradition of Northern Soul
My favourite regional 80's nightclub was called Scandals - Richard wouldn't even have been able to stand up in there! It lived up to its name.
And well said Marina, excellent explanation of why nightclubs are dying.
My favorite clubs in the 90s in Tampa, FL were Yucatan Liquor Stand, London Victory Club and Masquerades
The best one was when bake off was calling Pimms summer cup.
What a brilliant episode!
It's all kicking off!! 😂
The slow zoom in was a slaughter.
In 1980's Bradford, Yorkshire, there was Time & Place, Dukes and Silks and Cavernes. Time & Place had 3 rooms and 3 DJ's playing different styles of music. Cavernes was next to a Greek restaurant and was decorated like a Mediterranean cave. I spent a lot of fun nights with friends and colleagues in all 3. Also I was a police officer so I spent quite a bit of time dealing with drunks there too. Happy days! Now my son is a bouncer in Leeds. There are mostly late night and all night bars, not many of them seem to be like the disco's of the past. One he works at is a Turkish restaurant bar which is open until 3am. There still seems to be a fairly thriving night scene in Leeds but it is a University town.
In Bournemouth we had Zoo and Cage, Berlins and the Opera House. For the Alternative crowd we had the Villa and Club X. Great nights out in the late nineties!
The way Richard talks about size at 22:10 and then his giant hand appears in the foreground. I had to rewatch cause I thought the editor was having a laugh.
"Bottle Service" should be the name of the new TRiE paid tier.
I find it insane that in Marina's house The Hobbit is not next to The Lord of the RIngs. Insane. Mad. Crazy.
Marina is so spot on about club culture, I ran a event in a small pub where we converted it to a night club for one night every 3 months and we were killed off because of the pandemic we tried to run events after but the crowds changed and more people held off to go to bigger events rather than support their local artists.
So, what happens to books published during the war?
The most popular nightclub in Kettering was Reflections, I think. We use to call it Fleckies.
We all called it Rejections!
I'm 25 minutes in, and just had the 6th!!! Advert break! Is this TH-cam or the Podcaster? It's absolutely ridiculous
What about books written during the war, Marina? Where is Put out More Flags, for example? (the Fountainhead can go in the wastepaper basket)
Did anyone see Tony Blair on the news last night? his bookcase was horrific, small piles of roughly 3 books in each section
A couple of great 90's night club names from Ireland, there was one on the outskirts of suburban Dublin called Steers, which ironically is a castrated male. Another was Tomangoes which made no sense other than it rhymed with the line 'where the gang still goes' in their radio ad.
I like to take a shot every time Richard says ‘by and large’ - am only a little bit tipsy.
BEST EPISODE EVER
Tramps, Sin & Velvet Lounge in Worcester 😂
I aged out of a certain type of nightcub a long time ago, I had no idea about the bottle thing. It sounds like Frankie & Benny's.
can anyone advise where marina's jumper is from?!
Newspapers in Wallace and Grommet films are good
In Pontypridd we had the Georgian In the 60s which became Gingers in the 70s. We also had Fawlty Towers and the Beech Tree. Just up the road in Porth was Charmonds. Nowadays it’s Eclipse, Ice and Platform 11.
I generally do it by authors which I swing between depending on how I feel after what I have last read. Once read, I donate to a local charity.
My grandfather was a typesetter and later in his career, a compositor; beginning on hot metal presses, but moving on to phototypesetting and the digital towards the end of his career, and he would sometimes bemoan the quality of mocked up newspapers in film and TV. In general, the more he enjoyed everything else, the more forgiving he would be to those details.
I used to do my nightclubbing in Kettering, Richard. ‘Bertie’s’ under the Royal Hotel mainly. More 80’s than 90’s. 😊
I honestly can’t keep up with all the book recommendations 😮 I mean, keep them coming but my little piece of plastic is taking a beating 😅😂
Nightclubs in Essex in the 80s - The Pink Toothbrush (fab live music as well as indie music scene), TOTS (Talk of the South), Dukes
Top 3 80’s small town nightclub names.
Start at number 7
Richard really annoyed me in this episode. Marina's glorious nightclub rant would have been great if only he wasn't continually interrupting and talking over her. By his own admission he's "not a nightclub guy" with nothing to say on the subject, but by God he was going to say it anyway.
Surely with all that chocolate, you’d have a selection box, not a variety pack!😎
Your book shelf organisation will depend on how many books you own. I probably own under 200 books and I have no organisational system at all. I have 3 cupboards/shelves that I keep my books on. 1 of them is in my home office/man cave and has books I might want to read when in there (either learning or media/gaming related.) The other 2 are both in the living room and have all the other books on them. The books go wherever they look nice, I am still going to spend under 20 seconds looking for one.
I imagine from the quantity of Marina's categories that she has a lot more books than that, and that maybe such a system would make more sense in that situation.
Forget about the book shelves. What about the drifter chocolate bar that Richard listed? Don't think they have been on sale for about 20 years 😂
What about the fiction books that were released during the war?
In Dover it was 'Images' nightclub and Nu Age (locally known as 'No Age'). It was very easy to get in at age 15 in the 90's....ah the sticky floors!
Nice to hear Club UK get a mention, props to Marina for name dropping that one. Funnily enough it's a Pure Gym now so essentially still sweaty people in tight clothes necking water and dancing around to repetitive beats, just not until 6 in the morning.
Amadeus and ikon/jumpin jaks (can’t remember which one was where in lockmeadow) are both bowling alleys now
i don't own a book shelf, life's too short.
Two night clubs I remember from the 80s in Southampton were Peggy Sue's and Barbarellas. Usually on student nights when it was £1 a pint. In Sydney, we clubbed at the Sapphire Lounge in King's Cross when we weren't at the Rex.
1:27 Richard's lawyers, By and Large
16:05 Richard's means of filing books, "by and large" = put those of the same size together
21:49 another shoutout for his means of filing books
Does anyone remember the Dome at Tufnell park, Camden palace before it was Koko, electric ballroom, electrowerks and fabric in the early 00’s? We had some times 🥲
It must be ingrained. I remember a McLaren designer describing the shape of their car as a “Coke bottle” before saying “of course other soft drinks are available”.
Re: arranging by book size.
If you remember the size of the book, it’s remarkably efficient. You don’t need to see what letter you’re at for title, author’s name or date.
Is it big/small/medium? Instantly you’ve eliminated 2/3rds of your collection.