I think Anakin's lack of statecraft skills will kill his empire much sooner than you realize. He won't really be able to consolidate power and organize a proper Jedi hunt and that will allow them to gather much easier than you imagine. Think about it from the perspective of the Outer Rim: The Republic, who neglected you, just declared themselves an empire after the jedi tried to murder their leader. Then the Jedi murdered their leader and this unheard of "Vader" guy is trying to take charge. The Jedi (who also neglected you) are now gathering in your territory to "save the galaxy" or some such. You probably aren't rolling out the red carpet, but you also probably aren't willing to commit resources to deal with them either. Sure, you'll sell them out to the Empire or bounty hunters if you stumble across their hideout but you aren't organizing mass searches. That being said, the Jedi are on a timer. Vader would not be invincible right away but that's because a suit for his purposes wasn't really a thing that existed. Building a life support system into power armor fitted for a human is probably pretty easy, just expensive. But armor actually interferes with the force powers of it's users. The first iteration, where he dramatically yells "no", is likely to be very improvised. Less Yoda + Grievous and more Ezra + a baby rancor. Which, to be fair, is still terrifying even without Anakin's skills. But Yoda should still be more than a match. They are on a very short timetable though. Vader would be pouring a lot of resources into improving his disabilities and improving his suit. I think GrievousYoda is a five year timetable when he still can't do much dark side enchantments but he can take his time to craft a really nice suit with the latest technology and best materials. By the time of the OT Vader might be kicking Vulkan's ass.
the only way the empire would still rise and not fall apart would be if anakin wins on mustafar, say Yoda death distracts obi-wan at a critical movement letting Anakin win without a lava bath, sidious had planed for the possibility of his death so those plans go into place ,and Vader styled to the public as the last loyal Jedi the hero without fear, is accepted, there may be grumbling did the Jedi succeed after all, but his sheer popularity get most to accept him, meanwhile he ruthless crushes and objectors behind the scenes and the corrupt senators support him hoping to enrich themselves, padme would still die but Luke and leia would be in vaders hands as his apprentices and heirs, it be interesting to see how things would deviate without the skywalkers to turn the tide against the dark side,
The vastness of palps control and machinations cant be understated. I think the Political side of the empire falls faster due to this...but with Vader not being sabotaged by palps I think vader crushes all and rules the galaxy with a Iron fist so tight no light remains. Vader rules forever through palps sith holocrom and turns luke AND leia to the dsrkside. Vader wins all. Forever.
Darth vaders suit without limitations looked so bad ass. It’s crazy that his suit limited him and think how strong he could have been if palpetine didn’t hold him back
One thing i dislike about this theory. Mas Amedda wouldnt know who the fuck Vader is. He would only know Anakin. He would also likely not know where Vader went off to given IT WAS A SECRET MISSSION. The only ones who knew who Vader was Palpatine and the 501st who directly served under him. Without Palpatine Vader is dead, and without political allies even if he survived. With Order 66 the mere fact he has a lightsaber paints him as a Jedi despite his actions in regards to the public eye. Even if he crawled away from Mustafar which is a BIG IFF he would be hunted down like the rest of the Jedi cause 99.99% of the galaxy doesn't know what the fuck a Sith even is. Palpatine wouldn't LEAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR HIS SUCCESSION! This is the guy who canonly ordered the Empire to be destroyed in the vent of his death. You think for one moment he bloody cared what happened after he died and wanted to hand all his power over to someone he JUST turned to become his apprentice days ago? Palpatine surrounded himself with selfish cowardly people who cared for their own interests. Amedda and the rest would jokey for their own power in the vacuum. Either a new Emperor/Strong Chancellor would arise from this mess or the Delegation of 1000 would have an opportunity to roll back some of Palpatine's centralization of power.
I feel like if obi wan didint have to hide Luke he could have helped Yoda and other remaining Jedi and possibly defeated Vader but without him Vader wins
Okay, but Anakin would simply die since palpatine isn't there to save him. On top of it, Vader would get obliterated by Yoda. He would need years more to be able to even stand a chance. Without Palpatine, I doubt Vader would lead the empire. He is not palpatine and is simply unable to manipulate the entire galaxy. Finally, I severely doubt propaganda against jedi would succeed.
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I think Anakin's lack of statecraft skills will kill his empire much sooner than you realize. He won't really be able to consolidate power and organize a proper Jedi hunt and that will allow them to gather much easier than you imagine. Think about it from the perspective of the Outer Rim: The Republic, who neglected you, just declared themselves an empire after the jedi tried to murder their leader. Then the Jedi murdered their leader and this unheard of "Vader" guy is trying to take charge. The Jedi (who also neglected you) are now gathering in your territory to "save the galaxy" or some such. You probably aren't rolling out the red carpet, but you also probably aren't willing to commit resources to deal with them either. Sure, you'll sell them out to the Empire or bounty hunters if you stumble across their hideout but you aren't organizing mass searches. That being said, the Jedi are on a timer. Vader would not be invincible right away but that's because a suit for his purposes wasn't really a thing that existed. Building a life support system into power armor fitted for a human is probably pretty easy, just expensive. But armor actually interferes with the force powers of it's users. The first iteration, where he dramatically yells "no", is likely to be very improvised. Less Yoda + Grievous and more Ezra + a baby rancor. Which, to be fair, is still terrifying even without Anakin's skills. But Yoda should still be more than a match. They are on a very short timetable though. Vader would be pouring a lot of resources into improving his disabilities and improving his suit. I think GrievousYoda is a five year timetable when he still can't do much dark side enchantments but he can take his time to craft a really nice suit with the latest technology and best materials. By the time of the OT Vader might be kicking Vulkan's ass.
the only way the empire would still rise and not fall apart would be if anakin wins on mustafar, say Yoda death distracts obi-wan at a critical movement letting Anakin win without a lava bath, sidious had planed for the possibility of his death so those plans go into place ,and Vader styled to the public as the last loyal Jedi the hero without fear, is accepted, there may be grumbling did the Jedi succeed after all, but his sheer popularity get most to accept him, meanwhile he ruthless crushes and objectors behind the scenes and the corrupt senators support him hoping to enrich themselves, padme would still die but Luke and leia would be in vaders hands as his apprentices and heirs, it be interesting to see how things would deviate without the skywalkers to turn the tide against the dark side,
Palpatine saved Vader so where is he ?
The vastness of palps control and machinations cant be understated. I think the Political side of the empire falls faster due to this...but with Vader not being sabotaged by palps I think vader crushes all and rules the galaxy with a Iron fist so tight no light remains. Vader rules forever through palps sith holocrom and turns luke AND leia to the dsrkside. Vader wins all. Forever.
Highkey this would be bad ass
Darth vaders suit without limitations looked so bad ass. It’s crazy that his suit limited him and think how strong he could have been if palpetine didn’t hold him back
Real talk 💪🏻
So cool!
so Vader just dies from his injuries on Mustafar
One thing i dislike about this theory. Mas Amedda wouldnt know who the fuck Vader is. He would only know Anakin. He would also likely not know where Vader went off to given IT WAS A SECRET MISSSION. The only ones who knew who Vader was Palpatine and the 501st who directly served under him. Without Palpatine Vader is dead, and without political allies even if he survived. With Order 66 the mere fact he has a lightsaber paints him as a Jedi despite his actions in regards to the public eye. Even if he crawled away from Mustafar which is a BIG IFF he would be hunted down like the rest of the Jedi cause 99.99% of the galaxy doesn't know what the fuck a Sith even is.
Palpatine wouldn't LEAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR HIS SUCCESSION! This is the guy who canonly ordered the Empire to be destroyed in the vent of his death. You think for one moment he bloody cared what happened after he died and wanted to hand all his power over to someone he JUST turned to become his apprentice days ago? Palpatine surrounded himself with selfish cowardly people who cared for their own interests. Amedda and the rest would jokey for their own power in the vacuum. Either a new Emperor/Strong Chancellor would arise from this mess or the Delegation of 1000 would have an opportunity to roll back some of Palpatine's centralization of power.
Damn lowkey true I had a plot hole in the story 😓 ima just act like palpatine reached out to mas after death using the force to tell him 😂
I liked how you ended and left it for interpretation but I don’t think Yoda or any of the remaining Jedi would be able to defeat Vader
I feel like if obi wan didint have to hide Luke he could have helped Yoda and other remaining Jedi and possibly defeated Vader but without him Vader wins
Vader would be dead. Without Palpatine he would be on mustafar burnt limbless etc etc
Okay, but Anakin would simply die since palpatine isn't there to save him. On top of it, Vader would get obliterated by Yoda. He would need years more to be able to even stand a chance.
Without Palpatine, I doubt Vader would lead the empire. He is not palpatine and is simply unable to manipulate the entire galaxy.
Finally, I severely doubt propaganda against jedi would succeed.
Picture this:
Nope. Vader dies painfully. Yoda and Obi Wan begin to rebuild the order.