Tony & Chelsea Northrup I think none of the advantages that mirrorless systems have over dslrs arent implemented in dslrs except size benefit but benefits that dslrs have will never be covered by mirroless systems because of lack of hardware. A hybrid viewfinder (ovf+evf) can only possible on dslrs.My point is that dslrs are still a mirrorless cameras in liveview mode but a mirrorless camera cant be a dslr like in any mode.
I just like my DSLR because it feels nice, buttons and dials all over the place. I don't think size of the camera really effects the photos. It's more of an ergonomic thing. If I needed a bunch of lenses, I would go mirrorless
Whenever I'm working on a project on my computer (graphic/web design, illustration, etc), one of my favorite things to listen to has become these videos by the both of you. Even if I can't see the video/visual while I work, I just love to listen to the talking because helpful, intelligent things are being said and I still appreciate it so much. You guys are one of my favorite workflow soundtracks and one of my favorite TH-cam channels-thanks so much for the hard work and generosity.
mtnman1984 totally agree, and a new version doesn't make the old crap. And people for some reason fail to understand that it's ok to like different things, or value different. so it's best "for you".
I use mirrorless for street-photography , landscape and mainly with primes till about 60mm. I use Dslr's for sports and for anything where I think it will suit me better at that point.
Honest question. How many of those lenses do you actually use? You have a lot of lenses that overlap a lot and at least I wouldn't see myself using even close to all of them. Cool pictures btw
Honestly : apart from the Canon's ( which came in a sale along with an A1 ) I used them all , but some indeed rarely . I recently sold a Nikkor 50mm F1.4G because I only had used it once on a trip, and a Vivitar 70-150mm F3.8 which came with an OM-1. A month ago I tried the Nikkor 85mm on the Fuji for a concert and it worked , though not easy to manual focus. I mostly shoot with aperture- priority for trying to get rid of the background and choose depending on the lightcircumstances the lens that can do what I need for the shot.
08:15 When Jack London had his portrait made by the noted San Francisco photographer Arnold Genthe, London began the encounter with effusive praise for the photographic art of his friend and fellow bohemian, Genthe. "you must have a wonderful camera...It must be the best camera in the world...You must show me your camera." Genthe then used his standard studio camera to make what has since become a classic picture of Jack London. When the sitting was finished, Genthe could not contain himself: "I have read your books, Jack, and I think they are important works of art. You must have a wonderful typewriter."
You are loved....thanks for all the down to earth presentations....! An old DSLR guy waiting for the Nikon Mirrorless to drop in price at least a little..
Having been a professional photographer for 35 years I have watched many many changes with the systems. I have dumped ALL my Nikon gear a couple of years ago. Now I am all Fuji. Two XT2's, 2 XE 2with about 8 lenses. I shoot 2 football bowl games, nascar as well as theatre and dance. I have not lost any quality but gained in the quality of my work. The big plus is I am having much more fun as a photographer now.
I love you guys, you guys are like yin yang, Tony has the technical and science aspect of photography with the magical talent to break it down and makes people understand how things work and Chelsea comes along and turns everything 180° to a practical commonsense and she is funny, very funny.
Data point:... I would probably go mirrorless if I were starting today. However... I started shooting with a Yashika TL Electro-X (google it...) back about 1970. Sold that and got a used Nikon F and was blown away. It didn't have the electronic internal exposure meter, but it was SOLID and it had all the controls exactly where I expected them to be. Sold that and got an Ftn. Same thing with the quality and features. I still have that camera and have even repaired the viewfinder meter... (Try that with a modern camera!) Went through some other Nikon film cameras (FM with motor drive, N90... F5...) Then I decided I needed a digital - went nuts and bought a Canon EOS. Tried to love it. Really did. But the controls were "all wrong" (for me - you get the idea) and the blasted thing failed me at least 3 times including one hot (!) summer day in western Nebraska shooting a parade and the CPU in the camera locked up. The only way to return function to the camera was to pull the battery. Needless to say I lost all of the pictures on the memory card. (DANG! and other more robust expletives...) Sold the Canon, bought a D7000 right after they came out. I must have 50K exposures on that body taken from the bottom of a 27K foot mine to 14K mountain tops. It just works. Although I notice it's a little laggy in some situations these days. But my expectations have changed... For a trip to Europe I bought a D800E. (Just before the D810 came out...) Love it. It works. It's a little heavy, but what the heck. The pictures are big and sharp and I can crop if required. The controls are right where I want them! Going to Europe again next month, bought a D810 (because I have enough exposures on the 800E that I'm starting to wonder about when it is going to need service). It's more responsive , faster processing, Once again, it works for what I need it to do. (Ok they moved some of the buttons, but I like this layout too.) I'll be bringing the D800E as a backup, and maybe even the D7000. Are they perfect? No. Close enough, and work the way I want them to? Yup! Recently an associate called me over to help set up his little mirrorless camera for a group shot. Couldn't do it. Yup, darn controls all worked, but I would have needed to study "the book" to make it work. Made me appreciate what I had even more. However, the little mirrorless eventually made a really nice picture. Point is, a camera is a tool. If it fits your hand, the controls work the way you expect them to and it takes the kinds of pictures you want to take with the quality you want, it's perfect. If it fails any of those criteria, keep looking. Canon, Sony and all the rest sell fine cameras. But USE them. If they work for your style and preferences, great! If not keep looking till you find one that's right for you. And that's why I don't think DSLRs are going to go away any time soon. :-) Have a great day! plus.google.com/u/0/+GailenMapes
Best comment so far, I had to scroll through hell before finding this. Im also starting in the photography world, also a Nikon fan, every function is worth your money. Researched it through and through. As for mirrorless cameras, In my opinion they dont capture the real essence of photography, that is manually tuning your machine (camera) to capture that perfect shot in your own creative way.
Great video, I am an Olympus mirrorless shooter and am blown away with the image stabilization. I think this has the potential to change the tripod sector of the marketplace. Surprised you didn't spend more time on this feature.
As an enthusiast I recently switched to an M5 from a Rebel. Use the kit 18-150, plus the 50 1.8 and 10-18 via adapter (a $50 one from Amazon that still does autofocus/aperture) and love it. Even compared to my Rebel its smaller, lighter and more fun to use, and as such I almost never leave the house without it. I know it's not a pro weather sealed shoot the Super Bowl body, but I love it. Oh and one thing I don't think they mentioned but having an evf also lets me put an electronic level up to my eye which has been great for landscape photography.
Thank you both -- I am a new viewer and am enjoying your honesty about the various products, the technical knowledge you share, and the fact that you two complement each other very well during these videos.
Great podcast. I'd fully embrace mirrorless if Nikon would make a mirrorless camera that could be in the same ballpark as the Sony A9. That'd keep me from having to reset my kit completely. Ain't nobody got time for that.
I guess DSLRs might get the same fate like vinyl records: They were faded for a quite long time since the CD appeared, but nowadays you can buy them in stores just like 20-30 years ago. For me personally... Though I *really* appreciate the advantages that mirrorless cameras have, I didn't find one that suits me really well. I'd be really happy if Sony (or any other producer) would come up with a modern successor of the Alpha A68 and A58 - They were DSLRs with a non-moving, semi-translucent mirror. It's a very interesting concept, but unfortunately, these two cameras are quite dated nowadays.
Udo der Unförmige not everyone likes a small tiny camera that’s hard to hold & lens selection sucks. Adapter crops too much & ppl have too much invested in DSLR & lense to just switch it all the way up
That's my problem with them: mirrorless cameras are usually so small, that I don't feel comfortable when I hold one. The only one which feels quite okay is the Sony Alpha 6000 series, because they have at least something like a grip on the side - though it's still too small for me to feel good. I tried some DSLRs and the feeling there is *much* better for me. Sure, I don't get the other benefits from mirrorless, but I guess I can deal with it.
Ease of use - if your style of photography means menus don't bother you then great - if you need larger usable switches & dials then a heavier DSLR makes things easier to reach - especially with gloves on - Use both Fuji & Canon - enjoy both in different situations and purposes, no conflict just whatever makes you forget the camera and concentrate on composition and if necessary speed. Enjoyed the video.
I'll just add that one of the best lenses I've ever used is the G-Master Sony 90mm 2.8 macro. Beautiful, sharp, and great colors w/o fringing or diffraction. Gorgeous.
I want to share how grateful I am for this video. I have been an Nikon D600 shooter and I am heavily invested in glass. My photographer requests have included videos now and I have been doing so much research in the last 6 months because the videos I have made with my Nikon look good but the autofocus system is bothering me a lot. I am looking to buy a second camera to be used as both my back up for photography and primary for videography. My budget for this project is very tight because of a lot of personal changes in my life. I have been looking and seeing the benefits and strides that the mirrorless systems have made. Thank you for being an openminded and truly objective in your views of equipment. No camera meets all of our expectations so I think it is time for my pros and cons lists.
I like ur show u guys make all other photographers on youtube like rookies! I get a lot from u once I bought my 80 D and I make car vlogs! thanks Tony and Chelsea!
How right you are, so many people need a photographer to look professional rather than doing professionally. I always have to mod attach a lot of accessories to my Sony to make them look bulkier, even much bigger than DSLR and people stopped complaining about their sizes. That's my solution.
It has been a while since you published this video. What are your thoughts now? I love night sky photography (stars/milkyway) I have a canon 5d4 and a sony 6000. With the DSLR your able to look thru the view finder and frame you shot. With the mirrorless this does not work well. Thoughts?
Yeah Idk if I would walk around in LA with a big SLR set up. LA also wants permits for pretty much anything longer than a 10minute video on the beach if it looks like it's a production. I guess in a city covered with cameras for a variety of uses people expect certain things. One thing I noticed was when I was doing event photography with a friend, we were given passes, now everyone recognized my friend but I was sort of the new guy, I only got asked to show my pass once because my friend was using my 85mm 1.8 a lot and I was using his 70-200.
We're going to be shooting completely mirrorless after this week. We'll have 3 gh4's, a gx85, all for video...and an a7 & a7rii for our photography gigs. We don't miss dslrs.
Hi your forgetting video - I'm a hybrid Nikon shooter (D750). I'm getting asked to shoot more and more video these days. I'm trying to decide what to buy for run and gun video, the A6500 or the GH5 are the two front runners. I'll stick with the D750 for photography as it does everything I need well. PS has Chelsea had a drink.or two - love it XX :-)
Chelsea and Tony, do you think there would be a "quick route" into mirrorless for Canikon through simply using their existing mounts? They have the lenses, and to be honest body size isn't really a consideration for the professional market (A7ii + 70-200mm is pretty much the same size as a DSLR with the same lens). The bodies could still be made smaller while keeping the same flange focal distance (so imagine a body that's the same kind of size as a Sony FF body but with a bigger sticky-out bit on the front). Comparing Sony camera+lens, you can see the lenses are often longer than the Canikon counterparts, seemingly to get the same distance from the sensor, so the actual sizes would end up very similar. I've often wondered why they've not done this, as the technology is surely there.
Great video. Thinking of upgrading my DSLR and I was unsure where we are with mirrorless. Plus reluctant to ditch all my lenses for a new system so this was a helpful post.
Had my L2 on spine break. Wanted to get back into photography so I decided on Panasonic G85. Mainly for ease of grip and lightweight of the mft system. The weight was the main concern. Tried my friends Canon D80 and Nikon D5300 and decided on the the Panasonic. Glad I did
Agree about the future of DSLR. The big change will happen when Canon and Nikon invest in the mirrorless system. But at present they have too much invested in DSLR. However, they are fast being left behind by Sony in particular.
I think one of the worst responses I had from people who don''t know much about photography is "wow! your photos are so beautiful. It is because of your big 'fancy' camera". They don't take into account that good photos require more skills than the camera itself. :) As a Fuji shooter, I'm very happy with what Sony A9 delivered. They have so many great features (personally I love the no blackout) that other manufacturers can cope with. I'm so excited with the future of mirrorless cameras.
Great summary. I'm using a fuji xt2 for professional work now and love it! My only wish is that it would have off camera flashes to do HSS and TTL with.
Great podcast. I agree that the pros are predominantly in the DSLR world but I have seen the movement start. I've met pro travel, and recently concert photographers that have moved to mirrorless. Some have gone to Sony but many have went to M43, because you aren't stuck into a sense system. It's nice to be able to choose the best lenses and not be stuck with a particular manufactures body. Being a Nikon guy myself I know there were many times I felt I had to wait too long to get an important improvement that Canon already had, the only thing holding me was my glass. Look right now you have the Lumix GH5 and the Olympus OMD E1 MII, to remarkable flagship M43 cameras, you could actually switch between bodies and still use the same great glass. I think for this reason you will see faster innovation in the M43 in the coming future. Then as travel via airlines becomes a bigger and bigger problem, I find it a joy to travel with the M43 as opposed to my DSLR. Right now for me its also with very little to no penalty. Then to add some whip cream on top I can take a Pen F or Lumix GX out with friends use the same great glass and be totally unobtrusive and still get great casual and street photos. I think it will be interesting as to how basically Nikon and Canon respond. Canon has already made improvements on their mirrorless system.
Good point Chelsea about " nice picture you must have a great camera". A bit like you make dinner for guests and they go "em...really nice food, you must have a great oven".
The lack of real manual focus (focus by wire) on some of the newer lenses takes time to get used to... I have just added non-smart adapters so I can use my old nikon glass on my sony so I can manual focus on some shots... (Videography)
Us Landscape Photographers can use Mirrorless or DSLR, depending on what we are trying to capture. My Olympus M1 Mk II has a 40-150 which does a pretty good job. As Chelsea said, it would be hard to sell all my Canon DSLR gear to get that one mirrorless camera than can do it all. I've been using Canon for a couple of years and love using it. The Olympus M1 is a good mirrorless system, although, the menu needs work because I have to Google how to change something if I need to. Keep up the good job with the videos because I am learning quite a lot.
Thank you for your video! I am not a pro but an enthusiast photographer. I have shot film with SLRs Nikons, Minoltas, and Konicas. Nowadays, I have been shooting mostly PENTAX DSLRs. However, I travel a lot for long periods of time. Recently, althought I keep one PENTAX DSLR, I mostly travel with a Ricoh GRii and a LEICA C-LUX (with a great viewfinder and zoom 24-360) which covers most situations, for me. Do not need to change lenses and get excellent quality with the glass. And regarding battery life, I always keep 2 batteries. By the way, with the LEICA, I can shoot over 300 pics and movies on one battery; the EVF is great (i am nearsighted). My Ricoh GRii I love for street photography in B&W, BUT, I can get very good photos in color and macro. And I have to stress, the zoom in the LEICA and the quality of the glass is impressive. Thank you again!
I have to say i have been watching your channel for about 2yrs now and I'm just now getting around to subscribing. It is very difficult in photography now days with all the options and competition being so high in the mirrorless and DLSR market to chose a camera system. a comment was made by Chelsea: subject , glass and then chose your camera body. Looking thru your Canon vs Nikon and DXOmark and reviews of Mirrorlesses,I came to the rationale that glass is king. I own the A6000 but I have a love hate relationship becuase my photo interests are so broad and vary based on my learning curve of flash vs natural light and landscapes vs astro with light painting and of course the day to day life photos. my Photos are good but not WOW and I have come to the thought that the SEL18200 is good all around lense for general photos and video but for Landscapes or any photos of detail I struggle to be able to zoom 1:1 for editing and be satisfied with the level of sharpness. you will always be at the mercy of your lens. I'm an old BW 35mm shoot from Junior High days 25years removed and find myself wanting more detail in my Photos. Considering other options other than the A6000. not saying its a bad camera. Just not inspired at the moment and its disappointing
Electronic view finder is godly, live view in mirrorless is paradise, mirrorless is relatively compact( i love my d750 but its heavy especially for portraits.)
Jpk Channel I think the biggest problem with whole dslr vs mirrorless debate is that most of us consider those advantages and disadvantages which arent technical limitations of either system for example lack of lenses( depends totally on ecosystem not a technical limitaions). Dslrs are mirrorless cameras in liveview mode and dslrs will have evf in few years from now. Canon 80d has one of the best on sensor autofocus system ( at least for videos). So technically Dslrs are mirrorless cameras too but all mirrorless cameras arent dslrs just like every square is quadrilateral but every quadrilateral is not a square.
For me and my work, I am interested in a set of A9's for my runway work. The higher fps, ethernet, are great items. Lens choice is my concern. As for DSLR's I dont shoot with them anymore, well the general ones, I use digital medium format systems, and I really want to do hands on testing with the Fuji to replace my 645Z for on location work, but the Phase is still my go to studio camera. -- Also, a side note, when somone asks me what camera, I say find the lens first. For me, hasselblad wont work for me, because the lens I need for beauty work, they just dont make. That would be a good video if you two want to do one, "Start with the Subject, then the Lens"
dslrs do need some power for you to look through the viewfinder. if you take out the battery, suddenly the viewfinder gets dim and blurry, and trying to manually focus doesnt really do anything.
If anyone would dare say that y'all are fanboy/girl they would have to choke on the words. While in the past, I thought that you were perhaps biased against Sony, I now respect you guys as a really honest unbiased voice.
I think the shifting of the technology from SLR to Mirrorless is inevitable same as the previous shifting from films to digital. The only solution for companies like Nikon and Canon is simply to use DSLRs cameras' body with mirrorless technology in it to benefit from their wide range of lenses.
17:10 "Technology is giving me things I didn't know I wanted." TRUTH!!! On a different note, I don't find much (if any) difference between the AF of my Olympus E-M1 mkii and my Canon 5D mkiv. I use PRO lenses for the Olympus and L for the Canon.
I always love your videos, they are very informative , about so much of photography, and helps with making choices on buying products for ones camera. so thank you , and please continue helping us , the public, thanks;
Mrs Northrup, that was a perfect idea on how to deal with negative comments. I think I will use that from now on whenever I travel to the comment section of TH-cam. Instead of having the lingering thought that I am witnessing the ultimate downfall of humanity, I will simply respond with "You are loved." Oh, and both of your observations on cameras were also well thought out and thorough. :-)
15:25 sorry, but DSLR's actually do have lag.. On my K1 that would be ~0,0000018 sec - since the light has to travel further inside the camera ;) (distance between mirror-prisma, prisma-viewfinder minus the distance between mirror and sensor)
Your calculation is WAY off. Light travels about a foot per nanosecond in a vacuum. Let's assume the mirror and prism add about 3 inches to the light path (it's likely less) then we're looking at a quarter nanosecond, or something like 0.00000000025 s.
thats what the ~ stands for ;) idk its a youtube comment, yeah, probably wrong, but hey i just thought round about in my head. probably you're right, but i use the metric system, and simply dont care enough to convert it;) sry;)
Isallintor 30 cm per nanosecond. The K1 would have to be absolutely humongous to add 30 cm to the path of the light. 4 orders of magnitude, who cares, it's a TH-cam comment :-)
Good show! I have Nikon gear, and have wondered about mirrorless. There are two professional photographers that I'm personally aware of who have gone to Fuji mirrorless systems, and love them! This show has given me a lot of information to think about concerning making a switch... or not. For me, it's always been, "the grass is greener across the fence." Well, not so much now; I'll be keeping my Nikon gear.
I've been there and back twice. I shoot almost exclusively nature/wildlife, and the reason I'm with DSLRs is the lenses, there's no question DSLRs, and specifically Canon and Nikon, are the top gear for what I do; I tried the other, and no thanks. Olympus 300mm f4 - $3300; Nikon's latest 300mm f4 VR - $2000; my Canon 300mm f4L IS - $900, used, mint. No contest.
Good video guys I shoot both, Sony Fullframe (a7rii and a7ii) for portraits, landscape and general use, Nikon (D4, D3S, D800, D500) for sports and wildlife. A9 look good, but will take a few years for a) prices to drop down far enough to be able to own both b) prove themselves in the field under hard use c) long fast glass from sony (or good AF with adapted glass) Even then, the lack of dual fast slots and the ergonomics are a put off. its great to see mirorrless stuff providing options and pushing the technology envelope for all manufacturers.
Mirrorless cameras getting bigger again makes sense. People often have big hands and need to be able to hold them properly. Also, bigger cameras mean more mass. More mass is less easy to accelerate, so the camera is more stable and reduces the danger of camera shake. And of course you need bigger batteries for proper battery life. Small cameras have their place, but comfortable, stable cameras with good battery life need to have a certain size, at the very least to accommodate for bigger hands.
When I moved over to full frame I actually took the time to list all the gear I required and then listed the Canon, Nikon and Sony options, and while each brand had it's strength and weaknesses, the Sony route would have been more than twice the cost. That got me thinking, that mature technology is often substantielly cheaper than going for the cutting edge. In many ways the Sony A9 seems like the camera I would have wanted, but at the same time, when I factor in the cost, and what else that money can give, like some great glass, travels etc, it makes more sense for me to buy the "old" technology.
Two years down the line, looking at bad delay on the Nikon Z6 EVF when shooting wildlife/sports proofs what Tony said right at the end is still relevant - wildlife and sports photographers will still shoot with DSLR's for some time to come. The bad real life shutter speed of the Z6, EOS R is also relevant. Nikon D500 still my pick.
One of my main goals in life is to become a wildlife photographer. I'm also an IT professional so i'm not scared of new tech. i subbed to this channel due to the awesome A9's features. It's going be my first none phone camera i'll buy. TY for this comparison. Yes i will shoot wildlife with mirrorless
Doesn’t it make more sense for Nikon just remove the mirror and keep the flange distance the same - thereby allowing existing lenses to be used? After all there are a lot of ppl who just like large DSLR sized bodies...they’re a market that Sony doesn’t want that Nikon could own. So I’m thinking a mirrorless D850 would be a Sony stopper. This way they could take the wind out of Sony’s sails by offering FF mirrorless with a massive lens line up. For the folks who want smaller FF mirrorless bodies e.g. for street, etc, makes sense to build that up slowly, but first stop the attrition by taking the wind out of Sony’s sails. It would give them breathing space. I’ve seen interviews with Nikon’s President or CEO, where he says that Nikon doesn’t likes Sony’s bodies (he didn’t say why, but I think it’s about size). Whaddyathink?
If Nikon brought out a mirrorless camera with an F mount then I might be interested , but for now I am absolutely loving shooting with my D500. Nobody talks about it but I find the shutter noise significantly less than on my D4s. I actually love the sound of its shutter.
I'm a professional photographer and for over a year I struggled between keeping my Fujifilm X-T1 or moving forward with my D750. Finally I had to let the Fujifilm go, they are awesome, great performance but there are four things that made me stay with the DSLR system 1) the lenses(many many more options ) 2) price of the lenses and changing to a new system is a crazy decision for now 3) autofocus in low light, the Fuji is not bad at all but is not there, not even the X-T2 can touch a good DSLR. And 4) No HSS which for me as a portrait and wedding photographer is a big deal. It is a joy to shoot mirrorless maybe one day I'll go back to them but not yet.
Im a Canon shooter for professional HIRED work like my Real Estate, Auto photography, and Architecture. ( 1DX, 5Dmkiii, 7dmkii ). However for hobby stuff that I STILL want to sell prints for, my FUJIFILM XT1 and X-PRO1 are always with me. I did think at one time, "IM JUST GOING MIRRORLESS!!!", BUT it makes sense for me and my work to keep BOTH.
In a similar vein, people absolutely judge video cameras by a similar metric. The bigger they are, the more professional, and accessories are part of the camera. And of course, every camera is a stills camera unless it has a mattebox. Sometimes even than. No, I can't use my 15 pound video camera setup, complete with follow focus, mattebox, monitor, and external battery to take your picture. No I'm not being difficult. No, it doesn't have a photo button. Yes I'm aware your phone can do photos and videos. Yes, I am a professional. I'm not bitter at all. :|
There was once VINYL RECORDS, 8-track, then cassettes, then compact disc, then mp3 (ipods). The evolution continues with cameras... micro 4/3's is the mp3 of photography. Those who choose to ride a horse&buggy, so be it! But they'll be left in the dust of technology in this digital world!
I get the best of both worlds - 2 systems. Love my Nikons and my Oly's. Finally ordered 2 OMD-EM1 MkII's. Other OMD-EM1's are for sale. They both work great but one has a ton of shutter actuations, so don't expect a good price for it. Regardless, I use both for client shoots all the time....and no, I don't worry about the M4/3 sensor most of the time. I do think mirror-less is the future, or at least something like it. I expect some serious new tech will challenge all of this.
Great as always, thumbs up as always. I'm getting the gh5 for video mainly, and a big selling point is the fact I will be able to use my super sharp fast prime AIS Nikkors from 33 and 38 years ago, with the Metabones speed booster. The Metabones will render my Nikkors to practical f/stops of f/1 to f/1.4. With the gh5's improved non crop (at 4k) sensor now shooting with excellent results at iso 1600 to 3200, the low light issue is now moot for me absolutely, especially since I never intend on shooting scenes by my smartphone's flashlight app....or star light. Okay, if I ever get a prime assignment to shoot the northern lights, aurora borealis, then I'll consider something like the A7.
Just a thought. We've been talking about the rise of mirrorless tech. I envision a time when digital zoom technology may evolve to such a degree that there will no longer be a need for big bulky lenses to obtain long or even wide angle focal lengths (maybe 50 years down the line?) What do you think?
Well. If you had like a 1000megapixel sensor, you could crop (digital zoom) quite alot. Who know how small the pixels on the sensors can be made in the future (obviously they need to do that while keeping the added noise low). But i can see that
Chelsea I am one of those chill people who will let my camera choose the AF point for me. I will say that I use face detect on my mirrorless cameras and normally that works just fine for almost everything
I was at a friend's wedding, with my camera and big lens, and his mother actually commented on the lens, a 70-200 F2.8. Most have said big camera, especially when I have a flash on it.
I lost all my equipment in a fire recently. Since I'm starting over from scratch, I thought long and hard about moving to a mirrorless camera from my Nikon. My conclusion was that the mirrorless systems are not quite there yet, unless you're willing to spend a lot more than I want to right now. Your video seemed to confirm my position (wish I had seen it earlier). In another 5-10 years, I'll be thinking my new DSLR equipment is getting long in the tooth and I'll be ready to make the switch. Maybe.
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup I think none of the advantages that mirrorless systems have over dslrs arent implemented in dslrs except size benefit but benefits that dslrs have will never be covered by mirroless systems because of lack of hardware. A hybrid viewfinder (ovf+evf) can only possible on dslrs.My point is that dslrs are still a mirrorless cameras in liveview mode but a mirrorless camera cant be a dslr like in any mode.
no CC? where writing CC ?
ovf + evf isn't possible on mirrorless? Better tell Fuji, becuase their hybrid viewfinder in cameras such as the X-Pro2 is obviously a lie!
Fuji does have hybrid viewfinder, but that is rangefinder style OVF not TTL OVF like on DSLR
simianinc That viewfinder doesnt look through lens. So technically mirrorless cant have traditional ovf.
Probably two of the most soothing voices on TH-cam.. lol.
Love the videos guys, keep up the great work.
I just like my DSLR because it feels nice, buttons and dials all over the place. I don't think size of the camera really effects the photos. It's more of an ergonomic thing.
If I needed a bunch of lenses, I would go mirrorless
Whenever I'm working on a project on my computer (graphic/web design, illustration, etc), one of my favorite things to listen to has become these videos by the both of you. Even if I can't see the video/visual while I work, I just love to listen to the talking because helpful, intelligent things are being said and I still appreciate it so much. You guys are one of my favorite workflow soundtracks and one of my favorite TH-cam channels-thanks so much for the hard work and generosity.
What people need to remember is that the best camera doesn't make the rest absolutely useless.
mtnman1984 totally agree, and a new version doesn't make the old crap. And people for some reason fail to understand that it's ok to like different things, or value different. so it's best "for you".
This is a TH-cam comment section... I hope you're joking.
Yes, there is. The one you have with you. The one that's at home is useless :-)
I have learned that the best camera is the one you have on you.
mtnman1984 different cameras/lenses for different looks
I use mirrorless for street-photography , landscape and mainly with primes till about 60mm. I use Dslr's for sports and for anything where I think it will suit me better at that point.
what cameras? just curious :P
Fuji X-pro1 , Fujinon 14mm F2.8 , Fujinon 23mm F2 . Nikon D300-D700 , Samyang 14mm F2.8 , Nikkor 24mm F2 Ais, Nikkor 85mm 1.8 D , Tokina 100mm macro F2.8 , Nikkor 135mm F2 DC , Tamron 300mm SP F2.8 , Tokina 12-24mm F4 , Nikkor 35-105mm F3.5-4.5 , Nikkor 28-200mm D F3.5-5.6 , Nikkor 70-300mm VR F 4.5-5.6 , Zuiko 50mm F1.4 , Zuiko 70-150mm F4 , Vivitar 24mm F2.8, Canon 50mm F1.8, Canon 28mm F2.8 and an Olympus XZ-1.
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wow, nice !
Honest question. How many of those lenses do you actually use? You have a lot of lenses that overlap a lot and at least I wouldn't see myself using even close to all of them. Cool pictures btw
Honestly : apart from the Canon's ( which came in a sale along with an A1 ) I used them all , but some indeed rarely . I recently sold a Nikkor 50mm F1.4G because I only had used it once on a trip, and a Vivitar 70-150mm F3.8 which came with an OM-1.
A month ago I tried the Nikkor 85mm on the Fuji for a concert and it worked , though not easy to manual focus.
I mostly shoot with aperture- priority for trying to get rid of the background and choose depending on the lightcircumstances the lens that can do what I need for the shot.
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When Jack London had his portrait made by the noted San Francisco photographer Arnold Genthe, London began the encounter with effusive praise for the photographic art of his friend and fellow bohemian, Genthe. "you must have a wonderful camera...It must be the best camera in the world...You must show me your camera." Genthe then used his standard studio camera to make what
has since become a classic picture of Jack London. When the sitting was finished, Genthe could not contain himself: "I have read your books, Jack, and I think they are important works of art. You must have a wonderful typewriter."
You are loved....thanks for all the down to earth presentations....! An old DSLR guy waiting for the Nikon Mirrorless to drop in price at least a little..
It's gotta be time for an updated one of these? There are few more nails in the DSLR coffin now!
Having been a professional photographer for 35 years I have watched many many changes with the systems. I have dumped ALL my Nikon gear a couple of years ago. Now I am all Fuji. Two XT2's, 2 XE 2with about 8 lenses. I shoot 2 football bowl games, nascar as well as theatre and dance. I have not lost any quality but gained in the quality of my work. The big plus is I am having much more fun as a photographer now.
thought that was a great comment
I've also been shooting for 30+ years, not sure which way to jump. In what way did your photography improve?
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Precisely! A blanket statement does not explain that comment!
@@richardbierman9856 I do hope @ChrisRobbins replies as I'm genuinely interested in his comment.
I love leaving these to talk while i go through my photos.
As usual a very informative podcast. And at last somebody finally spreading a message of love....thanks Chelsea.
I love you guys, you guys are like yin yang, Tony has the technical and science aspect of photography with the magical talent to break it down and makes people understand how things work and Chelsea comes along and turns everything 180° to a practical commonsense and she is funny, very funny.
chelsea's voice is so sweet
she's beautiful for sure =D
Can we stay focused, please? :-)
@@stevenvanhulle7242 You are loved.
Data point:... I would probably go mirrorless if I were starting today. However... I started shooting with a Yashika TL Electro-X (google it...) back about 1970. Sold that and got a used Nikon F and was blown away. It didn't have the electronic internal exposure meter, but it was SOLID and it had all the controls exactly where I expected them to be. Sold that and got an Ftn. Same thing with the quality and features. I still have that camera and have even repaired the viewfinder meter... (Try that with a modern camera!) Went through some other Nikon film cameras (FM with motor drive, N90... F5...)
Then I decided I needed a digital - went nuts and bought a Canon EOS. Tried to love it. Really did. But the controls were "all wrong" (for me - you get the idea) and the blasted thing failed me at least 3 times including one hot (!) summer day in western Nebraska shooting a parade and the CPU in the camera locked up. The only way to return function to the camera was to pull the battery. Needless to say I lost all of the pictures on the memory card. (DANG! and other more robust expletives...)
Sold the Canon, bought a D7000 right after they came out. I must have 50K exposures on that body taken from the bottom of a 27K foot mine to 14K mountain tops. It just works. Although I notice it's a little laggy in some situations these days. But my expectations have changed...
For a trip to Europe I bought a D800E. (Just before the D810 came out...) Love it. It works. It's a little heavy, but what the heck. The pictures are big and sharp and I can crop if required. The controls are right where I want them!
Going to Europe again next month, bought a D810 (because I have enough exposures on the 800E that I'm starting to wonder about when it is going to need service). It's more responsive , faster processing, Once again, it works for what I need it to do. (Ok they moved some of the buttons, but I like this layout too.)
I'll be bringing the D800E as a backup, and maybe even the D7000. Are they perfect? No. Close enough, and work the way I want them to? Yup!
Recently an associate called me over to help set up his little mirrorless camera for a group shot. Couldn't do it. Yup, darn controls all worked, but I would have needed to study "the book" to make it work. Made me appreciate what I had even more. However, the little mirrorless eventually made a really nice picture.
Point is, a camera is a tool. If it fits your hand, the controls work the way you expect them to and it takes the kinds of pictures you want to take with the quality you want, it's perfect. If it fails any of those criteria, keep looking.
Canon, Sony and all the rest sell fine cameras. But USE them. If they work for your style and preferences, great! If not keep looking till you find one that's right for you.
And that's why I don't think DSLRs are going to go away any time soon. :-)
Have a great day!
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Best comment so far, I had to scroll through hell before finding this. Im also starting in the photography world, also a Nikon fan, every function is worth your money. Researched it through and through. As for mirrorless cameras, In my opinion they dont capture the real essence of photography, that is manually tuning your machine (camera) to capture that perfect shot in your own creative way.
Great video, I am an Olympus mirrorless shooter and am blown away with the image stabilization. I think this has the potential to change the tripod sector of the marketplace.
Surprised you didn't spend more time on this feature.
As an enthusiast I recently switched to an M5 from a Rebel. Use the kit 18-150, plus the 50 1.8 and 10-18 via adapter (a $50 one from Amazon that still does autofocus/aperture) and love it. Even compared to my Rebel its smaller, lighter and more fun to use, and as such I almost never leave the house without it. I know it's not a pro weather sealed shoot the Super Bowl body, but I love it. Oh and one thing I don't think they mentioned but having an evf also lets me put an electronic level up to my eye which has been great for landscape photography.
Thank you both -- I am a new viewer and am enjoying your honesty about the various products, the technical knowledge you share, and the fact that you two complement each other very well during these videos.
Great podcast. I'd fully embrace mirrorless if Nikon would make a mirrorless camera that could be in the same ballpark as the Sony A9. That'd keep me from having to reset my kit completely. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Check out the Panasonic GH5, it will blow your mind on the amazing things this mirrorless camera can do!
Great discussion. Mirrorless is the future, but I still find myself clinging to the DSLR, especially for their build quality and lens selection.
LEXPIX yea especially the heavier lenses feel better on DSLR
LEXPIX & sometimes you don’t want that brand new super bright sharp picture that the mirrorless gets you. & lens selection is meh
I guess DSLRs might get the same fate like vinyl records: They were faded for a quite long time since the CD appeared, but nowadays you can buy them in stores just like 20-30 years ago.
For me personally... Though I *really* appreciate the advantages that mirrorless cameras have, I didn't find one that suits me really well. I'd be really happy if Sony (or any other producer) would come up with a modern successor of the Alpha A68 and A58 - They were DSLRs with a non-moving, semi-translucent mirror. It's a very interesting concept, but unfortunately, these two cameras are quite dated nowadays.
Udo der Unförmige not everyone likes a small tiny camera that’s hard to hold & lens selection sucks. Adapter crops too much & ppl have too much invested in DSLR & lense to just switch it all the way up
That's my problem with them: mirrorless cameras are usually so small, that I don't feel comfortable when I hold one. The only one which feels quite okay is the Sony Alpha 6000 series, because they have at least something like a grip on the side - though it's still too small for me to feel good. I tried some DSLRs and the feeling there is *much* better for me. Sure, I don't get the other benefits from mirrorless, but I guess I can deal with it.
The camera is not what makes you a professional photographer or videographer, you make you a professional!!!
you are loved too
"She's a quarter Italian and it ended up all in her hands" lol!
Thanks Tony and Chelsea. Was just ready to upgrade to a 5D mark iv from my 6D. Now I’ve got more to think about. Keep up the great work guys.
Ease of use - if your style of photography means menus don't bother you then great - if you need larger usable switches & dials then a heavier DSLR makes things easier to reach - especially with gloves on - Use both Fuji & Canon - enjoy both in different situations and purposes, no conflict just whatever makes you forget the camera and concentrate on composition and if necessary speed. Enjoyed the video.
Chelsea "technology gives me something i never knew i wanted" exactly!
Chelsea's voice is so soothing. Love her sneaky snarky commentary too. :)
I'll just add that one of the best lenses I've ever used is the G-Master Sony 90mm 2.8 macro. Beautiful, sharp, and great colors w/o fringing or diffraction. Gorgeous.
I want to share how grateful I am for this video. I have been an Nikon D600 shooter and I am heavily invested in glass. My photographer requests have included videos now and I have been doing so much research in the last 6 months because the videos I have made with my Nikon look good but the autofocus system is bothering me a lot. I am looking to buy a second camera to be used as both my back up for photography and primary for videography. My budget for this project is very tight because of a lot of personal changes in my life. I have been looking and seeing the benefits and strides that the mirrorless systems have made. Thank you for being an openminded and truly objective in your views of equipment. No camera meets all of our expectations so I think it is time for my pros and cons lists.
Thanks Chelsea and Tony for the great overview.
I like ur show u guys make all other photographers on youtube like rookies! I get a lot from u once I bought my 80 D and I make car vlogs! thanks Tony and Chelsea!
I used to think you two were weird but now I love you guys. Keep it up! 😘
Anyone else don't care whether you use a mirror less camera or dslr? Just take photos!! Have fun!!
tainoakc you've got yourself a reply
How right you are, so many people need a photographer to look professional rather than doing professionally. I always have to mod attach a lot of accessories to my Sony to make them look bulkier, even much bigger than DSLR and people stopped complaining about their sizes.
That's my solution.
It has been a while since you published this video. What are your thoughts now? I love night sky photography (stars/milkyway) I have a canon 5d4 and a sony 6000. With the DSLR your able to look thru the view finder and frame you shot. With the mirrorless this does not work well. Thoughts?
Are you guys paparazzi!?!? We got that question while walking around downtown L.A. with a 70-200
Yeah Idk if I would walk around in LA with a big SLR set up. LA also wants permits for pretty much anything longer than a 10minute video on the beach if it looks like it's a production. I guess in a city covered with cameras for a variety of uses people expect certain things. One thing I noticed was when I was doing event photography with a friend, we were given passes, now everyone recognized my friend but I was sort of the new guy, I only got asked to show my pass once because my friend was using my 85mm 1.8 a lot and I was using his 70-200.
wow Chelsea, how nice of you, that comment "you are loved" instead of getting angy... Like it..
We're going to be shooting completely mirrorless after this week. We'll have 3 gh4's, a gx85, all for video...and an a7 & a7rii for our photography gigs. We don't miss dslrs.
Hi your forgetting video - I'm a hybrid Nikon shooter (D750). I'm getting asked to shoot more and more video these days. I'm trying to decide what to buy for run and gun video, the A6500 or the GH5 are the two front runners. I'll stick with the D750 for photography as it does everything I need well. PS has Chelsea had a drink.or two - love it XX :-)
mark shirley new Nikon D7500 has 4k video..you can save money, you don't need new lenses
I'm sticking with my Canon D-30 bought it new and it still work great.. So there !
Chelsea and Tony, do you think there would be a "quick route" into mirrorless for Canikon through simply using their existing mounts? They have the lenses, and to be honest body size isn't really a consideration for the professional market (A7ii + 70-200mm is pretty much the same size as a DSLR with the same lens). The bodies could still be made smaller while keeping the same flange focal distance (so imagine a body that's the same kind of size as a Sony FF body but with a bigger sticky-out bit on the front). Comparing Sony camera+lens, you can see the lenses are often longer than the Canikon counterparts, seemingly to get the same distance from the sensor, so the actual sizes would end up very similar.
I've often wondered why they've not done this, as the technology is surely there.
Great video. Thinking of upgrading my DSLR and I was unsure where we are with mirrorless. Plus reluctant to ditch all my lenses for a new system so this was a helpful post.
Had my L2 on spine break. Wanted to get back into photography so I decided on Panasonic G85. Mainly for ease of grip and lightweight of the mft system. The weight was the main concern. Tried my friends Canon D80 and Nikon D5300 and decided on the the Panasonic. Glad I did
Interesting discussion! You answered many of the unanswered questions I have had. Thank-You!!!
Agree about the future of DSLR. The big change will happen when Canon and Nikon invest in the mirrorless system. But at present they have too much invested in DSLR. However, they are fast being left behind by Sony in particular.
The only reason why you don't look professional is not cause of your gear, it is cause you look together so sweet.
I think one of the worst responses I had from people who don''t know much about photography is "wow! your photos are so beautiful. It is because of your big 'fancy' camera". They don't take into account that good photos require more skills than the camera itself. :)
As a Fuji shooter, I'm very happy with what Sony A9 delivered. They have so many great features (personally I love the no blackout) that other manufacturers can cope with. I'm so excited with the future of mirrorless cameras.
Great summary. I'm using a fuji xt2 for professional work now and love it! My only wish is that it would have off camera flashes to do HSS and TTL with.
Great podcast. I agree that the pros are predominantly in the DSLR world but I have seen the movement start. I've met pro travel, and recently concert photographers that have moved to mirrorless. Some have gone to Sony but many have went to M43, because you aren't stuck into a sense system. It's nice to be able to choose the best lenses and not be stuck with a particular manufactures body. Being a Nikon guy myself I know there were many times I felt I had to wait too long to get an important improvement that Canon already had, the only thing holding me was my glass.
Look right now you have the Lumix GH5 and the Olympus OMD E1 MII, to remarkable flagship M43 cameras, you could actually switch between bodies and still use the same great glass. I think for this reason you will see faster innovation in the M43 in the coming future.
Then as travel via airlines becomes a bigger and bigger problem, I find it a joy to travel with the M43 as opposed to my DSLR. Right now for me its also with very little to no penalty.
Then to add some whip cream on top I can take a Pen F or Lumix GX out with friends use the same great glass and be totally unobtrusive and still get great casual and street photos.
I think it will be interesting as to how basically Nikon and Canon respond. Canon has already made improvements on their mirrorless system.
I enjoy the casual conversation and friendly opinions/advice.
Good point Chelsea about " nice picture you must have a great camera". A bit like you make dinner for guests and they go "em...really nice food, you must have a great oven".
The lack of real manual focus (focus by wire) on some of the newer lenses takes time to get used to... I have just added non-smart adapters so I can use my old nikon glass on my sony so I can manual focus on some shots... (Videography)
360MIX I really like my Sony a6000 but I absolutely HATE the focus by wire. So inconsistent in how much the focus changes as I turn the focus ring.
Us Landscape Photographers can use Mirrorless or DSLR, depending on what we are trying to capture. My Olympus M1 Mk II has a 40-150 which does a pretty good job. As Chelsea said, it would be hard to sell all my Canon DSLR gear to get that one mirrorless camera than can do it all. I've been using Canon for a couple of years and love using it. The Olympus M1 is a good mirrorless system, although, the menu needs work because I have to Google how to change something if I need to. Keep up the good job with the videos because I am learning quite a lot.
Thank you for your video! I am not a pro but an enthusiast photographer. I have shot film with SLRs Nikons, Minoltas, and Konicas. Nowadays, I have been shooting mostly PENTAX DSLRs. However, I travel a lot for long periods of time. Recently, althought I keep one PENTAX DSLR, I mostly travel with a Ricoh GRii and a LEICA C-LUX (with a great viewfinder and zoom 24-360) which covers most situations, for me. Do not need to change lenses and get excellent quality with the glass. And regarding battery life, I always keep 2 batteries. By the way, with the LEICA, I can shoot over 300 pics and movies on one battery; the EVF is great (i am nearsighted). My Ricoh GRii I love for street photography in B&W, BUT, I can get very good photos in color and macro. And I have to stress, the zoom in the LEICA and the quality of the glass is impressive. Thank you again!
I have to say i have been watching your channel for about 2yrs now and I'm just now getting around to subscribing. It is very difficult in photography now days with all the options and competition being so high in the mirrorless and DLSR market to chose a camera system. a comment was made by Chelsea: subject , glass and then chose your camera body. Looking thru your Canon vs Nikon and DXOmark and reviews of Mirrorlesses,I came to the rationale that glass is king. I own the A6000 but I have a love hate relationship becuase my photo interests are so broad and vary based on my learning curve of flash vs natural light and landscapes vs astro with light painting and of course the day to day life photos. my Photos are good but not WOW and I have come to the thought that the SEL18200 is good all around lense for general photos and video but for Landscapes or any photos of detail I struggle to be able to zoom 1:1 for editing and be satisfied with the level of sharpness. you will always be at the mercy of your lens. I'm an old BW 35mm shoot from Junior High days 25years removed and find myself wanting more detail in my Photos. Considering other options other than the A6000. not saying its a bad camera. Just not inspired at the moment and its disappointing
Here comes a topic i LOVE! Pausing and grabbing a coffee first, and maybe some popcorn!!
Electronic view finder is godly, live view in mirrorless is paradise, mirrorless is relatively compact( i love my d750 but its heavy especially for portraits.)
Jpk Channel I think the biggest problem with whole dslr vs mirrorless debate is that most of us consider those advantages and disadvantages which arent technical limitations of either system for example lack of lenses( depends totally on ecosystem not a technical limitaions). Dslrs are mirrorless cameras in liveview mode and dslrs will have evf in few years from now. Canon 80d has one of the best on sensor autofocus system ( at least for videos). So technically Dslrs are mirrorless cameras too but all mirrorless cameras arent dslrs just like every square is quadrilateral but every quadrilateral is not a square.
If D750 is too heavy for you, spend some money on a gym membership
333payaso on the contrary i lift sir/ madam.
For me and my work, I am interested in a set of A9's for my runway work. The higher fps, ethernet, are great items. Lens choice is my concern. As for DSLR's I dont shoot with them anymore, well the general ones, I use digital medium format systems, and I really want to do hands on testing with the Fuji to replace my 645Z for on location work, but the Phase is still my go to studio camera. -- Also, a side note, when somone asks me what camera, I say find the lens first. For me, hasselblad wont work for me, because the lens I need for beauty work, they just dont make. That would be a good video if you two want to do one, "Start with the Subject, then the Lens"
dslrs do need some power for you to look through the viewfinder. if you take out the battery, suddenly the viewfinder gets dim and blurry, and trying to manually focus doesnt really do anything.
If anyone would dare say that y'all are fanboy/girl they would have to choke on the words. While in the past, I thought that you were perhaps biased against Sony, I now respect you guys as a really honest unbiased voice.
I am just learning about photography and you two are great help. thankyou
I think the shifting of the technology from SLR to Mirrorless is inevitable same as the previous shifting from films to digital. The only solution for companies like Nikon and Canon is simply to use DSLRs cameras' body with mirrorless technology in it to benefit from their wide range of lenses.
Canon and Nikon need to make a separate FF mirrorless line to stay relevant. Otherwise they'll continue to slowly lose a large part of the market.
I agree with you comments generally. Change is tuff, and not always necessary for some. I had a hard time just adding the D to SLR.
17:10 "Technology is giving me things I didn't know I wanted." TRUTH!!!
On a different note, I don't find much (if any) difference between the AF of my Olympus E-M1 mkii and my Canon 5D mkiv. I use PRO lenses for the Olympus and L for the Canon.
I always love your videos, they are very informative , about so much of photography, and helps with making choices on buying products for ones camera. so thank you , and please continue helping us , the public, thanks;
I have done a portrait shoot with 5d mark iv and with the iTR face tracking. Id say it did well. Maybe 95% hit rate. I used the 70-200 mk ii 2.8
Awesome guys, just awesome. Decision made = mirrorless. You are loved! :P
Mrs Northrup, that was a perfect idea on how to deal with negative comments. I think I will use that from now on whenever I travel to the comment section of TH-cam. Instead of having the lingering thought that I am witnessing the ultimate downfall of humanity, I will simply respond with "You are loved."
Oh, and both of your observations on cameras were also well thought out and thorough. :-)
I worked out while listening to this. it's great for all occasions.
15:25 sorry, but DSLR's actually do have lag..
On my K1 that would be ~0,0000018 sec - since the light has to travel further inside the camera ;)
(distance between mirror-prisma, prisma-viewfinder minus the distance between mirror and sensor)
Your calculation is WAY off. Light travels about a foot per nanosecond in a vacuum. Let's assume the mirror and prism add about 3 inches to the light path (it's likely less) then we're looking at a quarter nanosecond, or something like 0.00000000025 s.
thats what the ~ stands for ;) idk its a youtube comment, yeah, probably wrong, but hey i just thought round about in my head. probably you're right, but i use the metric system, and simply dont care enough to convert it;)
sry;)
Isallintor 30 cm per nanosecond. The K1 would have to be absolutely humongous to add 30 cm to the path of the light. 4 orders of magnitude, who cares, it's a TH-cam comment :-)
lol, i hope to god you are just trolling!
Good show! I have Nikon gear, and have wondered about mirrorless. There are two professional photographers that I'm personally aware of who have gone to Fuji mirrorless systems, and love them! This show has given me a lot of information to think about concerning making a switch... or not.
For me, it's always been, "the grass is greener across the fence." Well, not so much now; I'll be keeping my Nikon gear.
An $8,000 lens! No one is going to question if your a professional if you walk around with that thing in your back pocket. LOL
Great talk guys!
I've been there and back twice. I shoot almost exclusively nature/wildlife, and the reason I'm with DSLRs is the lenses, there's no question DSLRs, and specifically Canon and Nikon, are the top gear for what I do; I tried the other, and no thanks. Olympus 300mm f4 - $3300; Nikon's latest 300mm f4 VR - $2000; my Canon 300mm f4L IS - $900, used, mint. No contest.
Good video guys
I shoot both, Sony Fullframe (a7rii and a7ii) for portraits, landscape and general use, Nikon (D4, D3S, D800, D500) for sports and wildlife.
A9 look good, but will take a few years for
a) prices to drop down far enough to be able to own both
b) prove themselves in the field under hard use
c) long fast glass from sony (or good AF with adapted glass)
Even then, the lack of dual fast slots and the ergonomics are a put off.
its great to see mirorrless stuff providing options and pushing the technology envelope for all manufacturers.
Mirrorless cameras getting bigger again makes sense. People often have big hands and need to be able to hold them properly. Also, bigger cameras mean more mass. More mass is less easy to accelerate, so the camera is more stable and reduces the danger of camera shake. And of course you need bigger batteries for proper battery life. Small cameras have their place, but comfortable, stable cameras with good battery life need to have a certain size, at the very least to accommodate for bigger hands.
So true! And too many photography magazines "focus" only on the technology...and ignore the art.
I like EVF's for the live exposure and focus peaking, but either one is fine.
Best for manual focus lenses too.
When I moved over to full frame I actually took the time to list all the gear I required and then listed the Canon, Nikon and Sony options, and while each brand had it's strength and weaknesses, the Sony route would have been more than twice the cost.
That got me thinking, that mature technology is often substantielly cheaper than going for the cutting edge. In many ways the Sony A9 seems like the camera I would have wanted, but at the same time, when I factor in the cost, and what else that money can give, like some great glass, travels etc, it makes more sense for me to buy the "old" technology.
Two years down the line, looking at bad delay on the Nikon Z6 EVF when shooting wildlife/sports proofs what Tony said right at the end is still relevant - wildlife and sports photographers will still shoot with DSLR's for some time to come. The bad real life shutter speed of the Z6, EOS R is also relevant. Nikon D500 still my pick.
One of my main goals in life is to become a wildlife photographer. I'm also an IT professional so i'm not scared of new tech. i subbed to this channel due to the awesome A9's features. It's going be my first none phone camera i'll buy. TY for this comparison. Yes i will shoot wildlife with mirrorless
Doesn’t it make more sense for Nikon just remove the mirror and keep the flange distance the same - thereby allowing existing lenses to be used? After all there are a lot of ppl who just like large DSLR sized bodies...they’re a market that Sony doesn’t want that Nikon could own. So I’m thinking a mirrorless D850 would be a Sony stopper.
This way they could take the wind out of Sony’s sails by offering FF mirrorless with a massive lens line up. For the folks who want smaller FF mirrorless bodies e.g. for street, etc, makes sense to build that up slowly, but first stop the attrition by taking the wind out of Sony’s sails. It would give them breathing space.
I’ve seen interviews with Nikon’s President or CEO, where he says that Nikon doesn’t likes Sony’s bodies (he didn’t say why, but I think it’s about size).
Whaddyathink?
I love your show! It's a best companion to when I edit my videos and have to wait for them to render!
If Nikon brought out a mirrorless camera with an F mount then I might be interested , but for now I am absolutely loving shooting with my D500. Nobody talks about it but I find the shutter noise significantly less than on my D4s. I actually love the sound of its shutter.
Tony, you have the best silver hair. Seriously! I wish I wasn't losing mine.
I'm a professional photographer and for over a year I struggled between keeping my Fujifilm X-T1 or moving forward with my D750. Finally I had to let the Fujifilm go, they are awesome, great performance but there are four things that made me stay with the DSLR system 1) the lenses(many many more options ) 2) price of the lenses and changing to a new system is a crazy decision for now 3) autofocus in low light, the Fuji is not bad at all but is not there, not even the X-T2 can touch a good DSLR. And 4) No HSS which for me as a portrait and wedding photographer is a big deal. It is a joy to shoot mirrorless maybe one day I'll go back to them but not yet.
Im a Canon shooter for professional HIRED work like my Real Estate, Auto photography, and Architecture. ( 1DX, 5Dmkiii, 7dmkii ). However for hobby stuff that I STILL want to sell prints for, my FUJIFILM XT1 and X-PRO1 are always with me. I did think at one time, "IM JUST GOING MIRRORLESS!!!", BUT it makes sense for me and my work to keep BOTH.
Arm The Creative wait till you move to the X-T2!
In a similar vein, people absolutely judge video cameras by a similar metric. The bigger they are, the more professional, and accessories are part of the camera. And of course, every camera is a stills camera unless it has a mattebox.
Sometimes even than. No, I can't use my 15 pound video camera setup, complete with follow focus, mattebox, monitor, and external battery to take your picture. No I'm not being difficult. No, it doesn't have a photo button. Yes I'm aware your phone can do photos and videos. Yes, I am a professional.
I'm not bitter at all. :|
The lighting/video in your kitchen looks 1000x better than this studio setup. Love the show!
good work guys really enjoyed the mixture of thoughts,, the camera industry progress in amazing
There was once VINYL RECORDS, 8-track, then cassettes, then compact disc, then mp3 (ipods). The evolution continues with cameras... micro 4/3's is the mp3 of photography. Those who choose to ride a horse&buggy, so be it! But they'll be left in the dust of technology in this digital world!
I could listen to Chelsea all day, such a soothing voice
I love the idea of Silent Sutter. Maybe with haptic feedback?
I get the best of both worlds - 2 systems. Love my Nikons and my Oly's. Finally ordered 2 OMD-EM1 MkII's. Other OMD-EM1's are for sale. They both work great but one has a ton of shutter actuations, so don't expect a good price for it. Regardless, I use both for client shoots all the time....and no, I don't worry about the M4/3 sensor most of the time.
I do think mirror-less is the future, or at least something like it. I expect some serious new tech will challenge all of this.
Great as always, thumbs up as always. I'm getting the gh5 for video mainly, and a big selling point is the fact I will be able to use my super sharp fast prime AIS Nikkors from 33 and 38 years ago, with the Metabones speed booster. The Metabones will render my Nikkors to practical f/stops of f/1 to f/1.4. With the gh5's improved non crop (at 4k) sensor now shooting with excellent results at iso 1600 to 3200, the low light issue is now moot for me absolutely, especially since I never intend on shooting scenes by my smartphone's flashlight app....or star light. Okay, if I ever get a prime assignment to shoot the northern lights, aurora borealis, then I'll consider something like the A7.
Just a thought. We've been talking about the rise of mirrorless tech. I envision a time when digital zoom technology may evolve to such a degree that there will no longer be a need for big bulky lenses to obtain long or even wide angle focal lengths (maybe 50 years down the line?) What do you think?
Savvas Markou NO. Digital zoom isn't really zooming, it's just cropping.
Well. If you had like a 1000megapixel sensor, you could crop (digital zoom) quite alot. Who know how small the pixels on the sensors can be made in the future (obviously they need to do that while keeping the added noise low).
But i can see that
I never say never where technology is concerned .
Chelsea I am one of those chill people who will let my camera choose the AF point for me. I will say that I use face detect on my mirrorless cameras and normally that works just fine for almost everything
But at the moment is not possible to get a decent mirrorles for the price of a Nikon 3400 or Canon t6.
Chelsea how much have you had to drink 😂 Tony is like come on stay on track girl..
She did seemed to be a little tilted. Good for her!
I was at a friend's wedding, with my camera and big lens, and his mother actually commented on the lens, a 70-200 F2.8. Most have said big camera, especially when I have a flash on it.
I lost all my equipment in a fire recently. Since I'm starting over from scratch, I thought long and hard about moving to a mirrorless camera from my Nikon. My conclusion was that the mirrorless systems are not quite there yet, unless you're willing to spend a lot more than I want to right now. Your video seemed to confirm my position (wish I had seen it earlier). In another 5-10 years, I'll be thinking my new DSLR equipment is getting long in the tooth and I'll be ready to make the switch. Maybe.
Hi Tony and Chelsea, can you sometime discuss the difference between mirrorless and compact cameras, please?