2020, 617bhp BMW M5 Competition review; better than the 600bhp Jaguar Project 8?
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- The 2020 BMW M5 Competition has 617bhp and a top speed of 190mph but is it a true M5? Here I pitch it against the 600bhp, 200mph Jaguar Project 8 on some of my favourite roads. Which would you chose?This video was created with the support of:
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Other TH-cam reviewers “ this car is amazing”
Harry on BMW. “None of this feels right. The steering is pants and R&D calibration of the brakes is awful”.
Keep the honesty coming Harry. Your style is very rare indeed.
Because some reviewers are too scared of saying something critical that may get them blocked from future reviews.
I think Sam from seen through glass is pretty honest
He's not going to be nice about a car that goes up against the Jaguar when he draws a salary from JLR, is he? Jaguar couldn't even fathom out how to make the Project 8 in RHD LOL
Utterly agree Harry - the car feels so big, unwieldy and lifeless - no wondered I was offered £25k off one - jelly mould dreary too🧐
@@chadderton what are you talking about? He basically said the Jaguar ipace was a nice vehicle but the charging network is so rubbish that you couldn't ever buy one. That's hardly endorsing jaguars product strategy.
Only thing faster than the acceleration will be the depreciation! 😉
The depreciation is my favourite feature of modern bmws
Let's be honest. If you can't afford to have a 10 year old BMW or Jaguar sit in your garage undriven, do you even deserve one? 😂
@@TheBasher-_- Peugeot 206 left the chat.
Why the cars depreciate that much in UK tho?I'm not british.why British people buy a brand new car while a very low mileage car is unbelievably cheap?(ive checked price with envy)
Pmsl but sadly correct!
unfortunatly that sums up the problem of almost every new performce car out there... There is no doubt that those cars are cracy fast and engeneered to perfection, but the points that so many car manufactors unfortunatly forget to give them, is driving pleasure, caracter and feeling of those machines.
So it's not just me who thinks this..
A lot of people think like that.. unfortunatly that doesn't change anything because it seems like a higher horsepower number and quicker 0-60 than the competitors is much more important than driving pleasure and a fun car. Ofcorse the new M5 is the better car on paper, but i'd rather take an e39 or e34.
Harry's garage nope I agree. I can’t help but see a BMW, no matter the performance and spec, as a sales rep car. Albeit an M5 is a sales rep who’s done rather well. They lack soul. The car that is. I can’t speak for all sales reps.
Stefan Stoppacher it’s interesting as we approach leaving the EU the behaviour of the EU car manufacturers and in particular the German ones - some of the dealers are already quietly suggesting supply will be a huge problems aswell as large price hikes so get your order in now. Frankly they’re also deeply deeply concerned about the brits turning their backs on EU manufactured cars unto the manufacturers drop their pricing to at least pre brexit levels and sort out deliveries
we live in the carwow generation, its all about numbers
I recently had Alpina for three days, the ride and handling were fantastic, compared to the M5 (not competition) I owned for six months, if you get the chance please do Alpina review I was so impressed
Allot of my friends in germany had bmws, i thought the ride was especially bad. Felt crashy. In germany the raods are flat and smooth and it felt tough there (although very capable) but im not sure how they would be here with all the bumps
Yes please.
I'm a former M5 owner (had two from new) but switched to Alpina over 10 years ago and never looked back.
Aren’t they underpowered compared to the m models ?
@@Stuttgart1887 Slightly less Focus on Race/Power, and more Focus on a Luxury Driving Experience !
But a Alpina is not underpowered !
They fiddle with the Engine also.
Moral of the story - get yourself an E39 M5!
I just sold mine today. :(
@@saobx3956 That's very sad!
Moral of the story...do the lottery
Thats is your brain taking over from your heart.
Good thing you wrote that so I didn't have to :D . I've driven a new M5, non comp tho for a few hours, sctatched the surface of the thing anyway and yes, it was very fast, very capable but also a blunt instument, no feel, no drama and I can't be the only one that thinks that a £100000+ car should have leather everywhere, as in the whole doorcards, b-pillars, lower dash etc like an old e38 750 has, the F90 felt cheap inside compared to my own E39 M5 that I drove to the test. The new car had a little noisier cabin aswell. But the drive train...oh my god. The S62 is a glorious thing but the new engine/Gb combo was just bloody fantastic if somewhat muted. I left the test drive not wanting one, not that I can afford one either but you get the idea.
"Poor old Countach in the background with his walking stick, Remembering when he was the King!"
Still the king not sure how many kids bedroom walls will have the Project 8 these days the Countach was on any 70's kid who loved cars wall mine was plastered with it and the BB512.
@@zpunter4373 It still is for me, but i was referring to the performance of modern cars. "Remember! In its day the countach was just about the fastest car to ever hit the public roads and 180mph was reserved for the super rich. today you can find these speeds in some hot hatches. (It's crazy)
Still more attractive than all these young bucks.
@@zpunter4373 Too true - I had a lovely Countach on my wall - maybe a few too many wings for most. But I did also have a poster of the Vector W8 as well, so that says a lot about me.
@@ratspike8017 Vector W8 does say a lot I wonder how many of us even remember that failed attempt at US building a Supercar but it was a gorgeous car for the time including the aircraft type interior the mad gear shift,
my first impresion seeing one of these driving on the street in real life was 'woah, thats longer than i expected' they could have slapped a 7 series badge on and no one would suspect anything
I have heard others refer to the F series M5's as "The fastest 7 Series ever built" ... (I have an E60 5 series, the newer 3's are bigger...so the bloat is company wide, not just one or two)
The Project 8 reminds me of how special the V10 engined M5 was, but a sort of mad boutique way.
Agree!
That E60 M5 with the V10 was a very special car....if the rod bearings didn't fail and grenade your engine or if the vanos system didn't fail etc. The E60 was sold as a special M5, tow truck not included.😄
Project 8 all day long. I never thought I'd say that about a purple Jag with gold wheels, but there you go. It just looks and sounds the billy bollocks to me. I'm off to watch that vid of the Project 8 on the autobahn now.
TheKiteless So am I !
agreed!
Completely different cars! Harry shouldn't be comparing these 2 cars!! He himself said project 8 is the size of a M3... it's a sedan trying to be a race car with racing seats etc. M5 is a luxury executive sports sedan... it's not trying to be a project 8... I'd say a the stripped out M4 GTS is a much better comparison... both with racing wings and trying to be a race car
They are awesome. I think many people misunderstand what they are, they just think they're a fast xe, which really does it a disservice.
the difference between a real driver's car (and a real driver) and an Autobahn-storming corporate express where you're probably not wanting to think too much about the driving aspect (and if you did you'd quickly get irritated by the steering feel, or lack thereof. Big Audis are the same.)
In that garage, who would go to the Bimmer first? No-one.
Don't care how much ,"mo' powah, baby"
Hats off to james pumphrey!!!
Mopowa babeh😎
every time I watch one of your videos I want to go out and buy the car, until you read out the price and options
haven't found another youtube reviewer good enough to make me forget i'm broke for a couple minutes :D
thanks for another great vid
The colour of the project 8 is amazing
It looks a bit like BMW techno violett
Antonio Farina It's is a Jag
BF20 GLF Gena wrong, it’s a Jaaaaaag
It’s based on one of his 1970s Kawasaki
I painted my 85 Trans Am GTA that very color when i was in college, purple with gold rims and ground effects. Not a scratch on these performance wise, but it was all the fun a 20 year old could ask for to me then.
Harry's like a kid in the Project 8. Nuff said!
He was involved making it
It's such a better car is why.
@@buggerlugz6753 You obviously know nothing about either. The Jag is a dog compared to the F90.
A new Harry’s video! Time to drop everything and watch!!!! Thanks!!!
This is brilliantly done and a joy to watch. Kudos to you Harry. I don't understand the SUV craze when we can drive around in stylish and powerful sedans like these.
For the BMW, you can also control it from the phone just like the Land Rover. Also, the voice commands can be turned off permanently so it won't chime in.
Good to know..
The point was the key is too big!
Guccifer 808 The point is that key is an option. You can stick with the standard key and do what the optional key does from your phone.
@@joetacchino4470 Actually the car comes with 3 keys, 2 normal ones and the display key. You can leave the display key at home if you don't need the information. Soon (I think starting august for the 5 series) you won't need any key, as you'll be able to open and drive the car just with your phone.
@@ssmaria so now a hacker can steal your car, by hacking your phone? Wow
I love the spontaneous reaction to the fussyness and the voice of the car.
Love your vids, just fun to watch and hear you describe these cars from your perspective. Thanks!
Harry has such a great way of presenting the cars . Long videos seem short . This again is brilliant. If you have 100k plus to splash about.
Oh wow, never thought I would see Harry review a car I actually own! Love and respect from Korea.
Edit: Yes the fan is noisy even after you turn it off. And the brake is indeed grabby so I am often unintentionally lurching in slow traffic. My worst complaint is the brake squeal which comes and goes. And now that you mention the numb steering, I find myself agreeing totally.
Thank you Harry for your quality content during this hard times. Greetings from Argentina
Great video, keep them coming!
Great vids Harry keep em coming!!!
Excellent, dinner time viewing for tonight in a bit, perfect timing :)
I always thought the wing on the Jag looked a little out of step with the rest of the car. Seeing it sans wing just confirms it for me - it looks utterly fantastic now!
Agreed. 1986 mph vs 200mph. Screw the wing on if heading to the track (or the Autobahn).
I'd skip the big jaguar stencil detail as well. It's not overdone, mind you; I'd just prefer the max mere sport-sedan look ...... on what is pretty much a race car.
Harry I miss your car reviews in Evo Magazine but thank God you have these video reviews. Cheers 🍻 for another great video.
That was a damning review of the new M5, and felt like Harry was being polite.
The wheels on the M5 are gorgeous.
smh
Hands down the best car review's online. Hugely experienced, no ego, no copycat TH-camr BS
Incredible review. Harry is a true master of his craft...
Another excellent video Harry. No crap music, no " in your face" presenting style, just a sensible approach coupled with lovely countryside/ great roads. By the way, is The Bull at Burford still in existance? ( used to go to Insurer claasic car meetings there in the 1980's.
Hello, Harry. The key is a ‘display key’. The car will also come with a conventional BMW plipper and a ‘blade’ key.
BMW also offers an app called ‘Connected Drive’.
Hope that helps!
Just give me a fucking key
So: If you want an M5, get the Alpina. They even have it as an estate.
100%
Touring
The B5 is an incredible car, a more comfortable GT 4 door (or touring), but it isn't a fast or focused as the M5 Competition.
Alpina are a completely different setup cant compare alpina to a track focussed car like P8. Alpina is setup very soft. Very nice car though
@@DaleSteel why on earth would you buy a 5 series as a dedicated track car? For anyone spending the majority of their time on public roads, the Alpina's suspension makes much more sense. I can understand a very small subset of BMW owners wanting a no compromise track suspension, but the Alpina should be the degault choice for those wanting a "performance saloon" with the M competition cars being more akin to limited edition track toys.
Harry was wise in comparing the project 8 to the new M5 competition, neither are "traditional" performance road cars
thanks Harry i enjoyed the video from the Bahamas keep the good work comimg
Project 8 for me all day long and for Harry by the look on his face. Great video, thank you.
I kept chuckling during this review.. Brilliant!! Harry is a Genius, just what I needed. :-)
These are nice but we all know the E39 was the last true M5...
E60?
My E39 M5 has all the power you need.
400bhp, rear wheel drive ,manual gearbox and a decent chassis..
These super cars will never be driven more than 30% of their claimed potential.
100% right
Hell yes
@@ihateyanks321 I would agree with E60. No manual option in Europe and the E60's pretty crappy build quality aside, the E60 M5 was fantastic. The F10 was the first duff M5 - ugly sound, too much power, not enough traction and it's the size of a school.
The E39 was perfect though.
Great review as usuall Harry, well done. Ps just LOVE your project 8
DAY STOPS!! New Harry's Garage video!
The M5 has always been a high performance executive saloon whereas the Project 8 seems more like a track car.
Yeh spot on mate he should be comparing the project at to an m4 gts or cs not an m5. The m5 is probably a closer competitor to an xjr
I was thinking about a cheap four door run around like a Mondeo but you may have changed my mind...
Goaty you should watch old top gear episodes instead, you can feel like you have throwaway money
Goaty Orion 1.6i Ghia? Made me feel like a king when I was 17......30years ago. The only problem was,everyone else thought I was a complete knob head👍
Hmmm...for the same money as the M5 I can get a decent 4 door like a Quadrifoglio, an Evoque for the GF and have enough left over for a few charlie fuelled weekends!
What about a Montego... they run and run but their bodywork lets them down. Still, you can always sort that out with some chicken wire and filler...
Is Cadillac CT5-v Blackwing avail in UK? 650 bhp, awd, will run with these and has styling that is at least as nice.
Bless you Harry. You stir up my farfetched dreams of one day having a garage full of desirable cars just like yourself. This of course will never come true but it's still a thrill to see you living the dream for me. 😍👍
Another great video Harry.
Thanks.
F10: nice. Project 8: nice! There's nothing like a Project 8. It's a bespoke car. With an F10 5-er, an Alpina or a 911, you'd always be wondering if you'd bought the wrong one. With a Project 8, for a collector's car, it's unique - it's useable, involving and very fast! Great and entertaining Review as always Harry. Many thanks.
Coming soon, the look on Harry's face when has the Espada back with it's 8K rpm pistons.
The project 8 is one of the most fantastic cars visually and I am sure it's an absolute riot to drive. Certainly up top on my 'dream garage' list. Great video as always
Love your videos harry keep them up
Even big H can’t make a BM sound interesting.. dozed off before he got out of Burford..
It's all the faffing about the settings I was nearly in a coma. I'd love it to be big and scary all the time 😀
Styling is a bit numb and boring. 70s and 80s BMW will always be classy.
Oh and project 8 I'd pick easy
I scrolled to the Jag comparison, that woke me up 🙂
@@iangillett2488 boy it sure did 😀 it could be a tonne heavier I'd still pick it. It has charecter and I can't believe I said that being a classic car guy.
Oh and also listen to his driving impressions and words compaired to BMW Love, wild, enjoying.
This thread put me in coma.
The newer BMW's just leave me cold. I couldn't care less how good they are.
Front = Bugs Bunny eating a pair of ass cheeks!
Cheers Harry very interesting video keep up the good work 👍🚗
u make the best reviews period
Project 8 every day of the week over the M5, the 8 is proper petrol head weapon
The two cars aren't really directly comparable. As Harry Himself pointed out, Project 8 is the size of the 3-series, and therefore, smaller, lighter and more agile than the M5. Added to which, Project 8 was designed to be more track oriented than the M5. Anyhow, he sure moaned a fair bit about the car, which has (rightly or wrongly) received a lot of praise elsewhere!
I thought that too. Also can you still actually buy a P8?
Great content yet again Harry; lapped up the written reviews at Evo and really enjoy these video reviews. I’m in my thirties and I live my motoring dreams vicariously through knowledgeable and insightful reviews like these - I can’t stand content by rich kids without a clue. Kudos for dropping £168k on a Jag too.... wow!
Thanks for kind words. Only dropped £162k on P8, not £168k, so not so bad..
;-)
Wonderful comparison video. I can definitely see where your heart lies.
Imagine the bills this thing will start throwing up a few years down the line.
If it is anything like my F10 then no issues after 4+ years and 44k Mile.
Issues shouldn’t show up at 44k miles. It’s 100k, 150k... etc
Well,if y dont have the money,just stick with a Opel or something.. :)
That's why so many people rent their cars from the finance company these days. Also why so many nobbers are driving cars they couldn't have dreamed of once.
70k miles is the magic number for BMWs. When it hits 70k, get rid.
Harry, can you please ask your connections at BMW exactly what was wrong with two round gauges that move clockwise?
Very interesting review.
I had the M5 Comp as my current favourite BMW without having driven one based on reviews of many.
This has turned my world upside down :)
Thanks Harry
Drive one and tell me it doesn't make you smile !
Great videos Harry - keep them coming! Currently down from Scotland for a few days and drove to meet up with friends in Charlbury. Daughter: “this is the best roller-coaster road ever”. Me: “Funny you should say that...”
I would like to add that you can now use your phone to unlock the car or you can use the 2nd smaller key.
Good to know and what I would do as an owner. That monster key was a right pain to pocket!
Harry's garage would be a pain in the arse for a back pocket.
I’ll take the project 8 all day long ,that purple 😍,nice one Harry 😉👍
simple, informative and just plain proper analysis
You get into one of these feeling jaded, and you get out of it feeling "Stunned!"
The massive "intelligent" key has to be the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a car for quite some time...
Imagine walking around with that in your pocket. People would think you had a hard on.
You get two keys one electronic brick and the other a normal smaller one same as on my i8 Roadster - the bigger one I never use as it's frankly a bit embarrassing !
The F90 M5 looks pretty dry next to that project 8. The E39 and E60 V10 were the hardest looking M5's.
Besides E60 sounded like a supercar rather than sports sedan/muscle car.
Great Vid Harry and thanks. Out of the 2 I know where my money would go and that's the Project 8 by a large margin, looks like an epic car!!
As a base M5 owner I know what you mean but I love the ‘Sleeper’ thing, the day to day practicality and the fact I paid much less than half of the Project 8...oh and the steering wheel is on the correct side. The Project 8 is a piece of exotic art, never sell it!
Finally someone who comes down on the HORRIBLE new BMW instrument designs. Its twrrible! I want the round dials ans red needles as the M3 E36!
my m5 same as this but a 2019 model they have the nicer round virtual dials and i saved a lot of money
@@leekindell9937 Yes pre facelift that is so nice and classic!
They really do suck!
So there is such a thing as overengineering after all.
@Viktor Sligo yep!
*yeah the originals built by BMW Motorsport in the Motorsport Garching factory are the best iinfact the ultimate driving machine*
Harry love your jaguar very much. the Color is perfect and the weels are gorgeous . Love it
I’m a BMW owner and a fan, but I got to admit that Project 8 is quite special.
I’m glad that you got rid of the obnoxious rear spoiler. Now looks so pure.
I've had/have both Jaguars and BMW's, my impression when driving them is that you sit on a BMW and you sit in a Jaguar. Great review and comparison.
I love Harry’s Garage videos but he has got to iron the collars of his shirts! Haha. Keep up the great reviews.
You didn't need to explain Harry .. Your face said it all as to which one you like the most .. great vid as usual ..
Currently running an E46 manual coupe and 2014, 3 series touring, I so wanted to hear the M5 was a bonkers jigger with traditional BMW great feel at the wheel. Having owned previous sedan and touring 5 series had the expectations way high. I felt the E39 had a superb chassis. Thankyou as always Harry for the balanced review. Your idea of the X5 and perhaps something like an E46 M3 is looking like the smart alternative. Now let us know what you think of your new V 12.
All these setup options and tweekery would give me a headache. No thanks.
You set it up once, store it in M1 and M2, and that’s it. Not that headache inducing, really...
@@BMW_G81_M3 except I couldn't even be arsed to set it up the once. they should just set it from the factory and give you the option of M1/M2.
boomtard
@@TheDoosh79 They should know what car they want to be selling. They have very good test drivers, they can set up the car properly! There's also a problem with speccing the car. It's like "we won't bother, just print all the possible combinations" and let the customer loose his mind chosing the colour of the stitching on the front left and rear right seat bolster separately. Madness!
The Project 8 - the BMW may have more power but it will never be as exclusive as the Jag.
Have to agree. BMWs just don’t seem special. No matter the power, the tech etc there’s something lacking. It’s the difference between a premium and a prestigious brand.
All the Beemas look very samey. The Jag looks different both inside and outside. At least the Audi's RS gets a wide body... This is a bit too stealthy for something that has a competione badge.
Amazing review!!!
Thank you Harry for another great video. Would love to see your take on some Alpina to see how it compares to M division products.
Technology overload
Hyper overload 😂. The key is a damn tablet.
Most people's definition of modern luxury, unfortunately.
I think the Project 8 is one hell of a sound investment, not sure i could say the same for the BMW!
Great comparison. I’d love to see you do the same thing for every car in your garage. That would be fun for everyone.
Another great review by Harry, I've followed him since EVO started, a genuine lovely guy.
The M5 should be the drivers car but Jag have shown with Project 8 to be the real drivers car.
The M5 is really a regular 5 with a powerful engine No thought has gone into building a drivers car, just a Motorway bully.
Love the fact Project 8 does the same time as the GT3 RS and then can be used as a daily. Very underrated!!
Harry looks healthier now than he did in the early videos.
I wonder if he tweaked his diet or something.
Watch for a "Harry's Body" channel...
Haircut?
The eyes. Look at the eyes 👀
He looked a bit scarecrowish in those early vids.
@@MrTimeless101 *extracts fresh blood from every new subscriber*
Needs a shave though..Looks like a bit of a dosser at present..lol
M5 depreciation is breathtaking great as it is
In fairness the older Jags do too. I was lucky to get my hand on a (at the time) 3 years old XF-RS. These were limited build and I still got it for less than a new Audi A4. Totally converted me to a Jag addict 😅.
No one in their right mind would pay list for an M5, so bad, but not quite as bad as it seems. But still at a year old and around £60k it makes much more sense.
It’s now almost 2022 and used 2019 M5 competitions are still almost 100k 😐
Owning a E30 and E34 (both not M cars) where the steering is immaculate and responsive, I would hate driving the newer BMW's. Jag all the way here, such a nice car! My dream car still being the E34 M5 Touring...
Very nice review Harry, keep these coming.
just watched the farm and now i am onto this..... Happy Harvest H...
Yawn! It's just so boring looking. That car is lacking emotion or passion. The Project 8 is entirely more special.
Some people will prefer the 'sleeper' looks.
The Project 8 looks too much for me personally, more does not mean better.
Nik Gnashers
There’s a difference between boring, lacking passion and a sleeper.
@@maskito4256 E39s, E60s, hell even Accord Euro Rs we have here look civilised and it is like 4000 times more impressive looking. And looks good 20 years after they were made too...
@@RS-nq8xk I agree.
The E39 M5 is one of the best cars ever made, in many 'experts' opinion, and many car fans too.
Cars which try too hard, don't age well.
That’s because you don’t really understand what this car is
I feel, if you want a fast BMW 5 series with a V8, get the M550i. 67k vs 90+k.
Yes, or go Alpina if you can afford it
Really liked the 2 car comparison 👍🏻
Such a stunning colour combination on the project 8
Is there anyone else who thinks Harry bears a similarity to the late great Alistair Sim......?
Great videos though. Thank you.
@Anustaster The 1600s if memory serves.
he does an excellent John Shuttleworth impression too.
@@RufusT9 OOFF! I think you're quite misguided Ken.
Not especially
Definitely!
Def would go with the m5 ... haven’t been happy with Jaguar lately
Harry started smiling when he got in the Jag. That says it all.
How many people actually spend their own money to get in an M5....love the laid back relaxed Harry in the P8 ...keep it up.
Anybody else wince at the amount of VAT in that price breakdown?
Not really its not that much in the netherlands its more than double a mustang gt has a starting price of 120.000€+ for reference
It's a wealth tax. Better than America where the roads are falling apart and working-class people are sleeping in their cars between shifts.
VAT is 20%... were you expecting it to be less just because the price? What's worse is the road tax will be inflated for like 5 years because the car is over £50k (or whatever the figures are)... that's a deliberate wealthy tax.
I much prefer my E34 M5 over my F10 M5, the latter is seriously quicker but lacks the feel. Seems BMW have moved further away from a real driving experience with the F90
I'm afraid so. F10 M5 will still be a classic M5 for me, though, as that engine is a stunner. (and yes, I know it has reliability issues..)
How long have you had it and what miles have you put on? How are you finding the quality and reliability?
Hydorah which M5, E34 or F10?
@@Kevinpayneuk Sorry, F10 I didn't realise you had a whole stable full of them
Deffo the right watch to wear in a BMW. Great content 👍 thanks for sharing.
Hi Harry, love you videos. Please do another channel on Harry's Watches!!!!