Thanks for watching! For those asking about Ascent Rate warnings & Safety stops, I put a few screenshots of what the Oceanic+ app does (which does do that) in this written post here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/09/dive-tidbits-from-underwater-chamber-testing-the-apple-watch-ultra.html
If you have an intel mac you can run parallels desktop to run any version of windows all the way down to Win 98SE so you can use your mac with your device.
You clearly had a lot of fun making this video, it was great to watch. I would love to see more high quality dive computer reviews with focus on connectivity/logning and so on
I've been a Samsung guy for a long time (but was all in with Apple from 2011 through 2018). I have to admit, when Apple decides on creating a quality product - which is very often - they do a fantastic job. I am very impressed by this demonstration. Thank you, DC Rainmaker!
"When Apple decides on creating a quality product" Do you mean Designing? I thought Foxconn was the manufacturer who will undoubtedly hawk the designs to 3rd parties sooner than later. Garmin IMO will either have to Shat or get off of the Pot. If Samsung or Google feel like this market is lucrative enough, look for a Garmin takeover on the Horizon.
Great review, as a diver I was surprised that decreasing the pressure so fast did not triggered any alarm, any dive computer will indicate if you are ascending too fast to prevent decompression sicknesses . The idea of trying it out in Vinkeveen is interesting but not so for filming as it can get pretty dark there after few meters. As regards the 40 meters limit, it is more than acceptable for the great majority of divers if you consider than an open water diver is allowed to dive up to 18 meters. It in an interesting gadget but I would not ditch my dive computer for an Apple Watch, not even as a back up, at least for now. Still, thanks so much for the review.
This is a good callout. I think that a feature like this can easily be implemented with a software update. I think Apple is pretty good about releasing critical features often.
Indeed, that's coming in the Oceanic+ App. A bit more detail here (I put some screenshots): www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/09/dive-tidbits-from-underwater-chamber-testing-the-apple-watch-ultra.html
Haha the water tank, really great review and again proves you are the man when it comes to these tests. Apple I think could have done a bit more with their native dive app but the Ultra in general is a good start. Support more BLE sensor types and its much improved. Price points I think are a tad high across the board but only not using our wallets will affect that
@@Dcrainmaker BTW. Apple Sales support has gone the way of a bad Kmart. Use to have brilliant charming COMPETENT people. Just spent 2 freaking hours on the phone with 6 people who were clueless. The final senior customer rep. service agreed with me that they are screwed up too. IN-F-ing-CREDIBLE... :( Now I am worried about my apple stock :(
Appreciate you doing a review. Oceanic is doing a subscription app so you have to pay yearly which will turn a lot of people off. It's is impressive that they have made it this waterproof though. I was a cave diver and Trimix diver and currently the Shearwater is the best dive computer out there which is about the same cost as the watch and a couple of yrs of subscriptions
I guess we have to wait for that Oceanic App because this depth sensor is basically useless for actual scuba diving. We are planning to take this on a real dive and see how useful it is.
Yup indeed! For now, the Depth app is basically just a simple depth gauge like those often attached to a reg. But the Oceanic app is the end-goal. Hopefully we'll see other apps as well, ideally ones that don't cost $79/year.
@@cookie_monster3200 yep it costs. A lot. For a „dive computer“ in a higher tier it is just embarrassing not to have full air integration and pay for dive profiles that are a basic feature in every 30€ device.
I have no words!.... this is next level of testing, way more that we can ask to a reviewer. (Btw, I bought a Forerunner 205 bc of you back in 2009, when you only had a written blog, (even I swam with it under the swim cap following your instructions) long time fan)
You should definitely do the same test on the Garmin G1... and also let it pass the NDL time so we can see if its small screen is effective during deco stops!
A way to make your "pressure testing setup" last much longer, would be to actually pop that tablet open, get this old battery out, and attach some extension wires to the battery terminals (getting them out of the case). This way you could run the juice from a lab bench power supply to the expected amp/volts needs. This way at least from the POV of the tablet dying of battery - shouldn't be a problem any more.
@@Dcrainmaker I wonder if that’s a bug and should be reported to Apple because that seems extremely important for safety. If you come up too quickly, you don’t give an extra nitrogen a chance to get out of your tissue and you can easily get the bends. This definitely seems like a huge safety concern!
@@Dcrainmaker You need to spend a certain time below a certain depth to need a deco stop going up (has to do with how fast your blood and other liquids get saturated in dissolved N2 (mostly)). There are diving charts for that too. In practice divers take enough time to go down that they will always need a stop (or slow ascent) as soon as they go below a few meters. I assume the watch would give you those warnings if you had spent enough time down there. Besides that it's a fantastic video and great setup, you beat every other reviewer with this ! Thanks for you vids!
Thanks for all the hard work. Not sure how many other reviewers are running for 14 hours and using crazy home depth gauges. I picked up a ultra on Friday (because I’m a sucker for Apple stuff and wanted longer battery). Look forward to using it diving, but will definitely have a backup computer first couple times.
its just a depth gauge - - it means this apple watch would be back up to a computer, but pretty useless unless you run it next to a dive slate with a deco dive plan on it.
This was such a blast. I relived junior high science class. I don’t even dive, but now of course that watch is very intriguing. All this experiment lacks is a tiny deep dive vessel wIth a James Cameron figure at the helm (and a Rolex Sea Dweller strapped to the outside). Kudos to some team at Apple for prevailing on the powers that be to include this functionality in the watch.
Of course. I'm referring to the people doing the actual development and pitching ideas to the higher-ups. I imagine there were other functionalities considered that did not make the cut for this first edition.
Thank you! I’m an avid diver and want to know what to expect. One thing that jumped out is I didn’t see a deco warning. I would expect the watch to flash warning about ascending too fast and hold for a 15 min safety stop.
This was great. One of the reasons I justified the expense of the Ultra is the dive computer aspect. So it's good to see the basic functionality of it working. Since any app would be using the data the watch provides, it's good to know this thing works before investing in the app (when available).
That was part of my rationale too. And if you add in the fact that I also do a lot of backpacking climing and skiing this was just obviously a device I had to have.
@@Airsoft0skater this watch should be durable enough to survive in these environments ad well as do most everything sports related with the right app for it.
@@dahveed284 well for the price it better be lol. I mean in all seriousness if you think about just the amount of technology that went into the creation of this thing it's pretty remarkable that it exists for the price it does.
@@Airsoft0skater The reality is the aluminum watch (series 8) in 45 mm with GPS/cellular is $529. The gold stainless is $799. So you're getting the larger battery, extra button, enhanced durability, and depth gauge for free.
As it stands currently this watch can't be considered a dive computer, just a fancy depth gauge. Any dive computer would have been screaming at you for ascending so quickly. Will be interesting to see what they do with the app.
Virtulize the tablets hard drive, and then use either hyper v or virtual box and then pass through the USB port into the vm. It may be a bit more involved but may be the best way to keep this project going.
Entertaining and fun. Great to see the depth animation, too. The concern I have is the aging of the seals, and Apple not stating a price, or even availability, for changing them past two-three years. My 20 year old Polar watch WR5 ATM was fine after a change of the seals, but the first sign something was wrong was a slight fogging. Amazingly they provided seals 17 years past purchase. No longer available. The Ultra is so impressive, a full smart watch with 100m WR and functioning microphones and speakers. First time I've ever wanted an Apple product.
Great experiment! The simulation seem to be descending/ascending really fast. And I didn’t see any warning re: ascent/descent rate, deco info, nor safety stop. Did I miss it? If these are missing on the native app, then this is pretty much unusable even for recreational diving.
I am just guessing, but if they gave you ANY descend or ascend warnings they would be considered a dive watch and they don’t want you relying on this app for that. If you are diving with this app only (not Oceanic+) you should have a separate dive computer.
@@toadlguy I agree. I also saw the Oceanic+ demos for Ultra. I was just hoping the native app would be sufficient so as not to get a subscription-based app just to dive. Looks like the Depth app suits just fine for freediving.
@@AbetAlmanza I’m sure they will absorb the oceanic+ app features over time. Same as they do will all native apps. They wait for the popular features to be made by others and then slowly add to native. That being said, never buy anything on the promise that something could happen.
0:25 What are you talking about? The netherlands river ends are a hotspot for divers. They're full of diverse life. squids, huge jellyfish, lobsters & more. This test doesn't say much as it doesn't show the harsh effects of sea salt, bumping things while diving etc. Having your watch have scratches or smell, while at work isn't ideal. (dive computers smell, washed or not) No idea about the third party app but this one is completly useless as it doesn't show life critical stuff like ascending speed or time till decompression stop is required etc. + the app colors are not at all adequate for diving, in anything but tropical clear waters.
Great video! At the official Ultra release presentation there was a warning message to slow down when emerging too fast (to prevent that thing of creating carbon bubbles on the blood or something and saving you from certain death). I missed that message here, maybe some future software update?
Great video and very nice test of a product I'm quite interested buying. As a (currently inactive) dive instructor the behaviour of the watch below 40M worries me, it's unlike any other dive instrument I've ever used and thus may cause confusion or panic should a diver not anticipate it. I understand there are disclaimers and warnings not to exceed this depth however if a recreational diver finds them-self below 40M they may be in a duress situation with layers of problems building, such as narcosis, cold, low air, etc and for the instrument they may be relying on to stop providing depth information could make the situation worse. It doesn’t matter that they should have another depth gauge with them, if panic has started to set in, together with some narcosis, it's quite possible they won't think to look for it.
Completely agree. That detail was annoying along with a lack of decompression warning. It makes it completely unreliable and even dangerous in my opinion and for those reasons I’ll stick with a quality professional diving watch.
1:32 Take a look at the manual of pretty much any current non-dive watch with a 50m or 100m rating and you will see that the manual states that they are not to be used for scuba diving. Manuals for non-diver Seiko watches rated to 100m (some even to 200m) state that the watches can be used for swimming and diving without tanks (skin diving), but not for scuba diving. Completely different story for divers watches which are dive rated for those same depths.
The reason non ISO certified divers will discourage diving is more to do with liability and it not meeting an appropriate standard of testing. A 50-100m watch will easily survive recreational diving, but because it isnt tested as throughly there is a greater chance of failure and doesnt meet the practical requirements.
Thanks for reviewing the depth features. And look forward to the dive specific app. At leat having a dive profile, safety stop feature and ascension rate and surface time timer would be nice for a dive ‘’computer”. Now it is a nice registration tool similar to a analog depth meter. By the way, try diving in Zeeland (grevelingenmeer) or near Amsterdam the underwater dive park at Zandeiland 4 in Vinkeveen.
Thanks! Another person commented as well about Vinkeveen - which is super close by cargo bike for me. Might give that a poke. Nemo 33 is fine, but it's a long drive/day (2.5hrs each way + realistically 4hrs onsite).
@@Dcrainmaker There is a diveshop called Airdiving where you can rent stuff in case you don't want to bring a heavy bottle in your cargo bike. In case you want to use a dive "ipad" (Mares Icon HD) to compare with under water send me a pm.
Amazing technical work and thank you. Yes, I agree with USNOZZY, is there any chance you could do the test to 100m? Freedivers go well below 40 meters and it would be interesting to see if the watch will even log those depths (regardless of whether the Oceanic app only does SCUBA). Would be good to see what is technically possible and what the max depth is that gets logged in the health app.
It's not JUST about pressure, it's about movement as well. I (stupidly) took my new iPhone and wanted to take some video of spawning salmon. However, back then, phones were "water resistant" and running water, GREATLY increases the risk of water ingress. Same thing with diving. The movement of your hands through the water increases risk. That's why although a watch it rates for 100m, it's not DESIGNED to be taken to 100m. It's the same EPA fuel economy ratings. They're rated for OPTIMAL conditions.
This would be a pretty fun series i think, but I also understand your point about it being a bit boring when nothing happens. I think you need a bigger pressure chamber!
I’ve recently discovered your channel because of the Apple Watch ultra, and you’ve become my favourite TH-camr, the content you produce is awesome and just really good. Keep up the great work ❤
Very cool review, thank you! Regarding compatibility of the old Windows app and the fragility of the tablet: have you tried using a Virtual Machine (e.g. with VMware Player) on your laptop? You could then run the appropriate Windows version inside the VM and pass the USB device through to the virtual machine. That might be a solution and you can do easier snapshots and backups of that dive software VM. Cheers!
So, it's possible to start a dive and accidentally forget to start the right app first? 10-18m is one thing, but 25m+ you really start depending on your computer for NDC time. Dive computers have a whole lot of fail safes, and indicators on surfacing safely with safety stops. I'm all for more people getting into diving, but the idea of accidentally not starting an app, in the hands of someone that didn't want to spend money on a dive computer, in a dangerous environment (water is very unforgiving) does worry me somewhat.
The app automatically starts as soon as you go underwater. However, because I couldn’t touch the buttons easily once u put it in, the display wouldn’t have shown ok for you to see. On a persons wrist that’s not an issue.
If by “right app” you mean oceanic instead of apple’s depth app, then I’d assume you can use action button to start it. Currently you can set action button to start apple’s depth app
I have had dove computers not go into dove mode or be in the wrong gas but mostly because of operator error. They usually let you know. I have had a Several dove computers. Usually wear two and a watch as failure can and do happen. I do mostly deco dives and while I can do ratio calculations with just the watch prefer not to do so. Back in the early days there was so much variety of deco models one computer would clear and if you didn't want to bend the computer that had not cleared you tied a jump line to it and left it down while you took your gear off and put stuff away and reeled your computer back up.😅
@@Dcrainmaker Cheers. That makes a feel a tad better. I was about to make a mental note of taking three giant steps backwards whenever buddied up with a tourist diver sporting a shiny apple watch.
Actually really interesting. Certs have surely changed from when I was diving in the 1070s, when I had my Omega. And by the way, that multi thousand dollar watch back then (imagine the equivalent price today!) while stated to be either 300 or 1,000 meters, I forget which, also wasn’t warranted against water ingress. If it happened, Omega was the sole determinant party as to whether it was a factory defect or not. If they decided it wasn’t, you were out of luck.
I thought it was very interesting, don’t sell yourself short, I have a background in R&D as a Glass Thermochemistry Technician, so I like these kinds of videos.
As a diver im excited to see a possible update or 2nd gen that adds an O2 gauge that could wirelessly connect to the tank. That would be an amazing dive watch/comp
im not a diver but have heard about decompression sickness, i think it would be cool if through the app if it senses you surfacing too fast that it could warn you about decompression sickness or something.
i hate apple as a company but love diving, you make a product that you can use to dive, you have my attention. pretty decent price actually if you think of it as a dive computer, my Garmin MK2s is $1300 CAD
As you are compressing that tank using air, I would place a spaced cage around it, in the unlikely event it fails it will contain any flying parts. A hydraulic compression system would be much safer for use on a desk. Pneumatic compression vessels are normally used behind blast shields, for obvious safety reasons. This is exactly why they pump up lorry tyres in cages.
So long as the water level is around what it was in this video, the amount of air going in is small though. Even at the stated 50m the 6x expansion of the air would be less than 1/2 of the tank
Thanks for watching! For those asking about Ascent Rate warnings & Safety stops, I put a few screenshots of what the Oceanic+ app does (which does do that) in this written post here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/09/dive-tidbits-from-underwater-chamber-testing-the-apple-watch-ultra.html
Both fun and entertaining. Thanks
If you have an intel mac you can run parallels desktop to run any version of windows all the way down to Win 98SE so you can use your mac with your device.
You clearly had a lot of fun making this video, it was great to watch. I would love to see more high quality dive computer reviews with focus on connectivity/logning and so on
Dude you could make a backup on something like AOMEI and dump that image onto another computer so you don't have to keep wasting time with the tablet.
Is this the app that requires a subscription?
I've been a Samsung guy for a long time (but was all in with Apple from 2011 through 2018). I have to admit, when Apple decides on creating a quality product - which is very often - they do a fantastic job. I am very impressed by this demonstration. Thank you, DC Rainmaker!
Thanks Juan - appreciate it!
"When Apple decides on creating a quality product" Do you mean Designing? I thought Foxconn was the manufacturer who will undoubtedly hawk the designs to 3rd parties sooner than later.
Garmin IMO will either have to Shat or get off of the Pot. If Samsung or Google feel like this market is lucrative enough, look for a Garmin takeover on the Horizon.
I want the watch badly, but I'm full in for Android.
Stay safe mrwhostheboss did a video on a on going issue with Samsungs check it out to be safe!
Samsung is bs, saw the battery problems again?
Great review, as a diver I was surprised that decreasing the pressure so fast did not triggered any alarm, any dive computer will indicate if you are ascending too fast to prevent decompression sicknesses . The idea of trying it out in Vinkeveen is interesting but not so for filming as it can get pretty dark there after few meters. As regards the 40 meters limit, it is more than acceptable for the great majority of divers if you consider than an open water diver is allowed to dive up to 18 meters. It in an interesting gadget but I would not ditch my dive computer for an Apple Watch, not even as a back up, at least for now. Still, thanks so much for the review.
Yeah, the native app doesn't have alarms, but the Oceanic+ app does. Still interested in trying out the Vinkeveen though! Cheers!
@@Dcrainmaker 😎
Great point about the decompression sickness.
This is a good callout. I think that a feature like this can easily be implemented with a software update. I think Apple is pretty good about releasing critical features often.
@@Dcrainmaker The Oceanic+ app is still not available and paid :D
You are doing gods work DC.
Thanks Troy, really appreciate it!!!
@@Dcrainmaker thanks for doing the test we all wanted to see. Would be interesting to do cold temp testing down the line.
They should add the safety stop (deco) warning, descend and ascend speed warning. Regardless, it's a nice add-on.
Coming with the diving app later this year I think.
Indeed, that's coming in the Oceanic+ App. A bit more detail here (I put some screenshots): www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/09/dive-tidbits-from-underwater-chamber-testing-the-apple-watch-ultra.html
Only With App, and you have to Pay for thats Monthly
Videos like yours make TH-cam great. This was freaking awesome, thank you for quenching our curiosity.
Thanks!!!
So far, you have done one of the most amazing reviews, it is mind blowing. Thank you for a job well done and a spectacular show.
Thanks!!!
Whats mind blowing about all of this?!
Haha the water tank, really great review and again proves you are the man when it comes to these tests. Apple I think could have done a bit more with their native dive app but the Ultra in general is a good start. Support more BLE sensor types and its much improved. Price points I think are a tad high across the board but only not using our wallets will affect that
As a diver I GREATLY APPRECIATE your amazing perennial efforts ! ❤
Thanks LJ!!!
@@Dcrainmaker BTW. Apple Sales support has gone the way of a bad Kmart. Use to have brilliant charming COMPETENT people. Just spent 2 freaking hours on the phone with 6 people who were clueless. The final senior customer rep. service agreed with me that they are screwed up too. IN-F-ing-CREDIBLE... :( Now I am worried about my apple stock :(
@@boejiden Great points !
Check out for Mr Keyboard on TH-cam, he actually dive 45m deep with this watch!
buy a garmin if you actually want something that could be used as a tool while diving
Appreciate you doing a review. Oceanic is doing a subscription app so you have to pay yearly which will turn a lot of people off. It's is impressive that they have made it this waterproof though. I was a cave diver and Trimix diver and currently the Shearwater is the best dive computer out there which is about the same cost as the watch and a couple of yrs of subscriptions
I guess we have to wait for that Oceanic App because this depth sensor is basically useless for actual scuba diving. We are planning to take this on a real dive and see how useful it is.
Yup indeed! For now, the Depth app is basically just a simple depth gauge like those often attached to a reg. But the Oceanic app is the end-goal. Hopefully we'll see other apps as well, ideally ones that don't cost $79/year.
Oceanic is not free? Wtf, they even promoted it during the keynote
@@cookie_monster3200 yep it costs. A lot.
For a „dive computer“ in a higher tier it is just embarrassing not to have full air integration and pay for dive profiles that are a basic feature in every 30€ device.
I have no words!.... this is next level of testing, way more that we can ask to a reviewer.
(Btw, I bought a Forerunner 205 bc of you back in 2009, when you only had a written blog, (even I swam with it under the swim cap following your instructions) long time fan)
Hahaha...thanks for sticking around all these years!
You should definitely do the same test on the Garmin G1... and also let it pass the NDL time so we can see if its small screen is effective during deco stops!
I tested myself by passing deco in 30m, it works
NDL
Thanks!
Hi Uriel! You're awesome - thank you very much!
One of the very few reviewers who go above and beyond to give a full picture of the device they're reviewing. Ray is an inspiration.
Thanks!!! Appreciate it!
Whoa! This vid popped off! Congrats Ray! 🤛🏻
Thanks man!
A way to make your "pressure testing setup" last much longer, would be to actually pop that tablet open, get this old battery out, and attach some extension wires to the battery terminals (getting them out of the case). This way you could run the juice from a lab bench power supply to the expected amp/volts needs. This way at least from the POV of the tablet dying of battery - shouldn't be a problem any more.
I missed the safety stop and warning and also ascend speed warning. Did I miss it in the video?
The apple app just does depth. The oceanic app that does all that comes out later this year.
Yup, correct, no warnings shown that I saw in any of my tests.
@@Dcrainmaker I wonder if that’s a bug and should be reported to Apple because that seems extremely important for safety. If you come up too quickly, you don’t give an extra nitrogen a chance to get out of your tissue and you can easily get the bends. This definitely seems like a huge safety concern!
Probably Apple want leave it for a paid app. The Apple dive app really need this safety function. It’s a basic in any dive.
@@Dcrainmaker You need to spend a certain time below a certain depth to need a deco stop going up (has to do with how fast your blood and other liquids get saturated in dissolved N2 (mostly)). There are diving charts for that too. In practice divers take enough time to go down that they will always need a stop (or slow ascent) as soon as they go below a few meters. I assume the watch would give you those warnings if you had spent enough time down there. Besides that it's a fantastic video and great setup, you beat every other reviewer with this ! Thanks for you vids!
Thanks for all the hard work. Not sure how many other reviewers are running for 14 hours and using crazy home depth gauges. I picked up a ultra on Friday (because I’m a sucker for Apple stuff and wanted longer battery). Look forward to using it diving, but will definitely have a backup computer first couple times.
Thanks Jeff!
its just a depth gauge - - it means this apple watch would be back up to a computer, but pretty useless unless you run it next to a dive slate with a deco dive plan on it.
@@nickbrooker1411 I’m guessing he means when that ocean app is released as apple’s native app isn’t all that useful for divers so far
This is why I love this channel!
This was awesome. Totally awesome you had this whole set up made that long ago! Lord - I bet it cost so much. Great work
Thanks man! Indeed, far too much! Gotta make it up with these videos! 🤣🤣
This needs 1 Million Views SOON !! 🎉🎉
This was such a blast. I relived junior high science class. I don’t even dive, but now of course that watch is very intriguing. All this experiment lacks is a tiny deep dive vessel wIth a James Cameron figure at the helm (and a Rolex Sea Dweller strapped to the outside). Kudos to some team at Apple for prevailing on the powers that be to include this functionality in the watch.
You do realize that “power that be” IS Apple?!
Of course. I'm referring to the people doing the actual development and pitching ideas to the higher-ups. I imagine there were other functionalities considered that did not make the cut for this first edition.
Thank you! I’m an avid diver and want to know what to expect. One thing that jumped out is I didn’t see a deco warning.
I would expect the watch to flash warning about ascending too fast and hold for a 15 min safety stop.
This was great. One of the reasons I justified the expense of the Ultra is the dive computer aspect. So it's good to see the basic functionality of it working. Since any app would be using the data the watch provides, it's good to know this thing works before investing in the app (when available).
That was part of my rationale too. And if you add in the fact that I also do a lot of backpacking climing and skiing this was just obviously a device I had to have.
@@Airsoft0skater this watch should be durable enough to survive in these environments ad well as do most everything sports related with the right app for it.
@@dahveed284 well for the price it better be lol. I mean in all seriousness if you think about just the amount of technology that went into the creation of this thing it's pretty remarkable that it exists for the price it does.
@@Airsoft0skater The reality is the aluminum watch (series 8) in 45 mm with GPS/cellular is $529. The gold stainless is $799. So you're getting the larger battery, extra button, enhanced durability, and depth gauge for free.
If an actual person was wearing this watch demonstrating it
Bends: Hold Up
😂😂
I love how the AppleWatch probably would smash that tablet in a performance test if it ran a full blown OS
6 days 1 million views. Worth the investment for your equipment for sure
Hahaha...finally!
As it stands currently this watch can't be considered a dive computer, just a fancy depth gauge. Any dive computer would have been screaming at you for ascending so quickly. Will be interesting to see what they do with the app.
The app costs more than dive computers with air integration.
this review stands out among the rest, craaazy good.
This community is so spoiled by guys like you, Des, chase the summit etc. I don’t dive and still watched 😂
Hahahaha….thanks! They’re both great guys!
Virtulize the tablets hard drive, and then use either hyper v or virtual box and then pass through the USB port into the vm. It may be a bit more involved but may be the best way to keep this project going.
Entertaining and fun. Great to see the depth animation, too. The concern I have is the aging of the seals, and Apple not stating a price, or even availability, for changing them past two-three years. My 20 year old Polar watch WR5 ATM was fine after a change of the seals, but the first sign something was wrong was a slight fogging. Amazingly they provided seals 17 years past purchase. No longer available. The Ultra is so impressive, a full smart watch with 100m WR and functioning microphones and speakers. First time I've ever wanted an Apple product.
THis is the first video i have seen on ur channel and i alrdy love it. Really in depth and entertaining
It’s amazing you have a dive chamber to properly test the watch for us. While I probably don’t need and won’t get the Ultra, I love the review !
Nice test and great to see how it works at depth
The algorithm took me here. I don’t dive or have a plan to purchase the watch but it was fun to watch! 😊
Great experiment! The simulation seem to be descending/ascending really fast. And I didn’t see any warning re: ascent/descent rate, deco info, nor safety stop. Did I miss it? If these are missing on the native app, then this is pretty much unusable even for recreational diving.
You need the oceanic+ app which comes out later this year for the proper diving features. They have a demo in their TH-cam channel
I am just guessing, but if they gave you ANY descend or ascend warnings they would be considered a dive watch and they don’t want you relying on this app for that. If you are diving with this app only (not Oceanic+) you should have a separate dive computer.
@@toadlguy I agree. I also saw the Oceanic+ demos for Ultra. I was just hoping the native app would be sufficient so as not to get a subscription-based app just to dive. Looks like the Depth app suits just fine for freediving.
@@AbetAlmanza I’m sure they will absorb the oceanic+ app features over time. Same as they do will all native apps. They wait for the popular features to be made by others and then slowly add to native. That being said, never buy anything on the promise that something could happen.
Wow. Should be first video to cross >1M views. Congrats!
I really appreciate the creativity and the length you go to in order to test things. Thank you.
0:25 What are you talking about? The netherlands river ends are a hotspot for divers. They're full of diverse life. squids, huge jellyfish, lobsters & more.
This test doesn't say much as it doesn't show the harsh effects of sea salt, bumping things while diving etc. Having your watch have scratches or smell, while at work isn't ideal. (dive computers smell, washed or not)
No idea about the third party app but this one is completly useless as it doesn't show life critical stuff like ascending speed or time till decompression stop is required etc.
+ the app colors are not at all adequate for diving, in anything but tropical clear waters.
Great video and wonderful to see how the dive computer works. Does the watch recommend decompression stops or is it simply a depth gauge?
😂 he said “looks sketchy”
Always appreciate the hard work/reviews👍🏾
Great video! At the official Ultra release presentation there was a warning message to slow down when emerging too fast (to prevent that thing of creating carbon bubbles on the blood or something and saving you from certain death). I missed that message here, maybe some future software update?
That’s part of the Oceanic+ app, but not the native app.
Apple’s chasing a very niche market with this.
Great video and very nice test of a product I'm quite interested buying. As a (currently inactive) dive instructor the behaviour of the watch below 40M worries me, it's unlike any other dive instrument I've ever used and thus may cause confusion or panic should a diver not anticipate it. I understand there are disclaimers and warnings not to exceed this depth however if a recreational diver finds them-self below 40M they may be in a duress situation with layers of problems building, such as narcosis, cold, low air, etc and for the instrument they may be relying on to stop providing depth information could make the situation worse. It doesn’t matter that they should have another depth gauge with them, if panic has started to set in, together with some narcosis, it's quite possible they won't think to look for it.
Completely agree. That detail was annoying along with a lack of decompression warning. It makes it completely unreliable and even dangerous in my opinion and for those reasons I’ll stick with a quality professional diving watch.
Dude that was awesome. Apple needs to pay you
1:32 Take a look at the manual of pretty much any current non-dive watch with a 50m or 100m rating and you will see that the manual states that they are not to be used for scuba diving. Manuals for non-diver Seiko watches rated to 100m (some even to 200m) state that the watches can be used for swimming and diving without tanks (skin diving), but not for scuba diving.
Completely different story for divers watches which are dive rated for those same depths.
The reason non ISO certified divers will discourage diving is more to do with liability and it not meeting an appropriate standard of testing. A 50-100m watch will easily survive recreational diving, but because it isnt tested as throughly there is a greater chance of failure and doesnt meet the practical requirements.
It's crazy how many meters this watch can resist, technology is awesome
Thanks for reviewing the depth features. And look forward to the dive specific app. At leat having a dive profile, safety stop feature and ascension rate and surface time timer would be nice for a dive ‘’computer”. Now it is a nice registration tool similar to a analog depth meter. By the way, try diving in Zeeland (grevelingenmeer) or near Amsterdam the underwater dive park at Zandeiland 4 in Vinkeveen.
Thanks! Another person commented as well about Vinkeveen - which is super close by cargo bike for me. Might give that a poke. Nemo 33 is fine, but it's a long drive/day (2.5hrs each way + realistically 4hrs onsite).
@@Dcrainmaker There is a diveshop called Airdiving where you can rent stuff in case you don't want to bring a heavy bottle in your cargo bike. In case you want to use a dive "ipad" (Mares Icon HD) to compare with under water send me a pm.
Ray you should have 2 mil subscribers
Thanks - manybe one day!
Would be nice to see a test all the way to its capabilities at 100m or 328ft as apple claims it can do..
Amazing technical work and thank you. Yes, I agree with USNOZZY, is there any chance you could do the test to 100m? Freedivers go well below 40 meters and it would be interesting to see if the watch will even log those depths (regardless of whether the Oceanic app only does SCUBA). Would be good to see what is technically possible and what the max depth is that gets logged in the health app.
It's not JUST about pressure, it's about movement as well. I (stupidly) took my new iPhone and wanted to take some video of spawning salmon. However, back then, phones were "water resistant" and running water, GREATLY increases the risk of water ingress. Same thing with diving. The movement of your hands through the water increases risk. That's why although a watch it rates for 100m, it's not DESIGNED to be taken to 100m. It's the same EPA fuel economy ratings. They're rated for OPTIMAL conditions.
This would be a pretty fun series i think, but I also understand your point about it being a bit boring when nothing happens. I think you need a bigger pressure chamber!
I’ve recently discovered your channel because of the Apple Watch ultra, and you’ve become my favourite TH-camr, the content you produce is awesome and just really good. Keep up the great work ❤
Very cool review, thank you!
Regarding compatibility of the old Windows app and the fragility of the tablet: have you tried using a Virtual Machine (e.g. with VMware Player) on your laptop? You could then run the appropriate Windows version inside the VM and pass the USB device through to the virtual machine. That might be a solution and you can do easier snapshots and backups of that dive software VM. Cheers!
That was my exact thought as well. I'd P2V that sucker right away.
Seeing that watch being decompressed that fast gave me the bends!
So, it's possible to start a dive and accidentally forget to start the right app first? 10-18m is one thing, but 25m+ you really start depending on your computer for NDC time. Dive computers have a whole lot of fail safes, and indicators on surfacing safely with safety stops.
I'm all for more people getting into diving, but the idea of accidentally not starting an app, in the hands of someone that didn't want to spend money on a dive computer, in a dangerous environment (water is very unforgiving) does worry me somewhat.
The app automatically starts as soon as you go underwater. However, because I couldn’t touch the buttons easily once u put it in, the display wouldn’t have shown ok for you to see. On a persons wrist that’s not an issue.
If by “right app” you mean oceanic instead of apple’s depth app, then I’d assume you can use action button to start it. Currently you can set action button to start apple’s depth app
I have had dove computers not go into dove mode or be in the wrong gas but mostly because of operator error. They usually let you know. I have had a Several dove computers. Usually wear two and a watch as failure can and do happen. I do mostly deco dives and while I can do ratio calculations with just the watch prefer not to do so. Back in the early days there was so much variety of deco models one computer would clear and if you didn't want to bend the computer that had not cleared you tied a jump line to it and left it down while you took your gear off and put stuff away and reeled your computer back up.😅
@@Dcrainmaker Cheers. That makes a feel a tad better. I was about to make a mental note of taking three giant steps backwards whenever buddied up with a tourist diver sporting a shiny apple watch.
This is really relevant for MOST people
no one gonna dive that deep
2 hours isn’t a far drive at least that is my daily commute
Actually really interesting. Certs have surely changed from when I was diving in the 1070s, when I had my Omega. And by the way, that multi thousand dollar watch back then (imagine the equivalent price today!) while stated to be either 300 or 1,000 meters, I forget which, also wasn’t warranted against water ingress. If it happened, Omega was the sole determinant party as to whether it was a factory defect or not. If they decided it wasn’t, you were out of luck.
I was born in 1069. Can confirm
my man was diving in the 11th century
Who in the hell is diving at 1000 meters? Lol.
@@Skrenja there are diving watches rated for 3,000 meters too, maybe even more. People buy these things for prestige, not usefulness.
I’m geeking out watching this.
Big thumbs up 👍 so much more entertaining and informative than the 1000+ other Apple watch reviews repeating over and over again the same stuff
Yellow screen beyond 130 ft matches yellow band so beautifully.
This is the test that I’ve been waiting for!
I love how you are testing the newest hardware with the oldes hardware thats ridicoulus
super interesting video even though I dont dive at all
I thought it was very interesting, don’t sell yourself short, I have a background in R&D as a Glass Thermochemistry Technician, so I like these kinds of videos.
Thanks!!! Appreciate it!
As a diver im excited to see a possible update or 2nd gen that adds an O2 gauge that could wirelessly connect to the tank. That would be an amazing dive watch/comp
You’ve done cool videos over the years - but this tops it! this was so fun to watch. thank you for putting this all together. Really enjoyed it
Súper awesome test looks like a discovery channel episode ! 👌🏼I love that feature in the Apple Watch ultra !
I can’t wait for this video but with their advanced app which releases soon
Somebody get this guy an IPad. Lol thanks for the video!
im not a diver but have heard about decompression sickness, i think it would be cool if through the app if it senses you surfacing too fast that it could warn you about decompression sickness or something.
First time i stumble upon your channel.
You sound like doug demuro
Love the “crazy ass control box”🤣
Plenty of diving to be done here in the Netherlands! ;)
A surprising amount of Dutch divers, actually.
Interesting video!
Great in depth review and test 🙌
This is reviewing what i waiting for better than others just talk a lot and don’t have experiment
You're the best. Period!! thanks for all your videos!
HOLY SHIT, I watched this video thinking it's by some diving TH-camr. I only noticed the name at the end -- what a legend!
i hate apple as a company but love diving, you make a product that you can use to dive, you have my attention. pretty decent price actually if you think of it as a dive computer, my Garmin MK2s is $1300 CAD
That’s watch is extremely accurate !
Never knew you live in Amsterdam, stumbled on you video and remember following your blog in the early day's.
As you are compressing that tank using air, I would place a spaced cage around it, in the unlikely event it fails it will contain any flying parts. A hydraulic compression system would be much safer for use on a desk. Pneumatic compression vessels are normally used behind blast shields, for obvious safety reasons.
This is exactly why they pump up lorry tyres in cages.
So long as the water level is around what it was in this video, the amount of air going in is small though. Even at the stated 50m the 6x expansion of the air would be less than 1/2 of the tank
Great video. You should do this test for all dive watches. Congrats
Thank you for sharing, good information to know before making any purchase 😬👍
what an amazing depth review goodness one of a kind !!!
You're just insane, man.
Genius, but insane.
Don't go to the dark side 👌🏼
Wow, what a cool setup! Thanks for the great video!
This was gold, ty! Ultra display so pretty.
Nice review!
Don’t worry about the tablet. Just reach out, I have multiple ways to fix that (and I’m from The Netherlands too).
Thanks Frank!!!
When a video starts with “Okay, I know this looks a little sketchy” 😂
You’ve made me want this watch because it looks very cool with that yellow band, and that dive app is great.
Thx for the story at the end, it explains the Motomaster compressor! :)
Happy I came across your videos! Thanks brother. 😊
This video is fantastic! Going above and beyond!
Very nice test for the Ultra, thanks!
I finally subscribed. You are amazing.
Thanks - welcome!!!
Dude your efforts are amazing 👌🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾