Since so many say the 40 S&W has too much recoil know that I read a story about a professional shooter who used a simple exercise to strengthen his fingers, hand, wrist and forearm so that he now controls just about any handgun's recoil with ease. He merely used a big baseball bat. He held it at arms length, pointed it at the ground, then using only his wrist, he lifted it straight up going slightly past his shoulder level, then slowly pointed it back at the ground. Repeat 10 times and do it 10 times a day. Anyone adult can do this and make even a little progress so that recoil from the 40S&W is no longer a reason why not to use it. I have tried it myself and even at age 73 I found it does indeed help in shooting a handgun. Once the recoil problem is no longer a problem then the effectiveness shown by you is a valid reason to use the 40 S&W. Good show! Keep them coming.
Gen 5s are thicker slide and 2 ounces heavier made for a Brazilian PD contract I heard. I haven't got chance to Fire one yet but 2 ounces can make a big difference to most shooters
I/we did also. 165 & 180gr Hydra shock's. I thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread until the HST's came out. Dept transitioned to 9mm about two yrs before I retired. I bought back my G22 that was traded in. I love that gun and ammo combination even though I'm no G-lock fan boy.
I'm a 40 Smith fan too. Do reluctantly carry a Sig 365 in warm weather, but always go back to the Glock 23 in 40 Smith in cool weather. Just don't have the confidence in 9mm that I have in 40.
@loctitecody7830 Any stories of OIS you can share? Did it seem like 2-3 shots of .40 to upper thoracic usually dropped them vs 9mm taking more and more likely to Re-animate after falling down or kneeling (BP returns)?
@@DanTheWolfman 2 of 3 .40 incidents were 1 shot drops to the lungs. Both suspects were only shot once, dropped instantly and lived. The third incident was mlitple shots quickly then immediate drop and death.
I carry 155 grain underwood xtp. 1300 fps, 582 ft lbs energy in a full size M&P. Changed the crap trigger to an Apex and I found my EDC for life! Killed my biggest buck at 13 yards with that round. It destroyed the heart and lodged in the opposite shoulder. I also carry the 200 grain hard cast from underwood for bear/woods. They load em hot and I trust them.
That doesn't matter. I am all about stopping a threat regardless of what an autopsy shows. And indeed there is a HUGE difference in different cartridges' ability to stop a threat.
The Starfire bullet was designed by Tom Burczynski, the fellow who created the Hydra-Shok. Both designs work on hydraulic principles; the post in the Hydra-Shok forces fluids against the inside of the hollow cavity and initiate expansion, and the Starfire uses a fluted hollow cavity which causes the fluids to act like a series of wedges, opening up the bullet.
@@Rubeless I think doctors would agree that more damage is worse, and for any given bullet design the hotter the round the worse the damage will be. This is especially important when you miss a vital spot by 1/4 of an inch. The likelihood of affecting the heart, lung, or spine even if you miss slightly is more likely with the more powerful round. I think the empirical data around the superiority of the 357 magnum when it comes to one shot stops supports this. The ballistics of hot 10mm and 357 Sig today are similar or superior to the "duty" 357 magnums that were being used by police back in the day. The 40S&W and 357 Sig were born because of the ineffectiveness of 9mm and 38 Special during the Miami Dade Shootout. After the shootout, the FBI tried to move to 10mm, but the recoil was too much, which led to the development of the 40S&W. Just based on stories, the 40S&W has a good reputation for being effective, but I suspect the recoil was still too much for a lot of people. 40S&W is noticeably snappier than 9mm. Until recently, the Secret Service and Air Marshals used 357 Sigs, although they have since gone to 9mm. However, I believe the primary reason for the move back to 9mm is mostly because of cost. I think the whole newer more effective bullet design is BS, which is why smart cops grab rifles if they think they are going to be shot at.
I have one of the first 2.0 40s on market. I have run a few thousand rounds of factory, reman, handloads of 40, 357 Sig(barrel) & a 9mm conversion barrel. The only malfunction has been a failure to feed with a 9mm(Stormlake conversion barrel) and I wasn't shooting. Actually a gentleman with RA was. We shoot up here in Northwoods Lake Michigan & Lake Superior area of UP & Northern WI year round. I have had my guns out & on range in single digits a decent amount. My 1.0 40c had a couple failures to feed & was a bit sluggish a few times when I first bought it in fall 2014. It was around 10 degrees when I put the first box through it when I experienced these issues. I haven't had any issues since. My teen & young adult daughters have shot this 1.0 quite a bit also with no issues. M&P 40s have proven very reliable for me. Federal for the win in this demo but brother that Cor-bon is hot. Thank you Dan for donating ammo.
The .40 is great caliber, powerfull and very controllable. I love glock 19 but the Glock 23 gen.5 is very, very controllable the recoil. Thanks for video!
I think a hot 165 at 1150 plus is the best and then 180 at 1000 , but the forty can deliver ferocious energy in the lighter bullets and many different weights would also be a good choice, the 40 is superior to the old stale 9mm and those are just the facts.
@@bobjones-bt9bh Yeah I have shot them all, the Nosler Sporting is really a soft lead cup core designed for hunting to expand at range a little and drive deep, the other Underwood loaded XTP is the same , but both at around 1300 would be devastating for defence too, 1300 is the magic number according to Bill Wilson who has shot more game and knows more about projectiles and their real world effects than anyone.
Yes, always has been ballistically great. But the public perception of it is not great. They will either take information from 30 years ago with some older gen 2 or gen 1 Glocks cracking frames and claim it's no good, or they will claim that it's 10mm Short and Weak so it's worthless. Then you got the guys who claim modern 9mm is (arm swing) just as good. There may be small elements of truth but none of those ideas are true overall, and currently. The fact is the .40 S&W was one of the best man stoppers of the 20th century and still is, if people who carry could just see that and stop listening to trolls...it could be great again in the public eye.
.40 S&W continues to be the solution for the 9mm limitations, and it doesn't require any special up-pressure or millions of dollars in metal/copper/polymer R&D. It's sort of like trying to build a 4-cylinder engine to extract every last mile out of a drop of petrol with turbos, electric motors, superchargers, tons of computer programs..... or you could just scrap all of that and use a simple V8.
Yes. Many people go on and on about 10mm, but that's the next size pistol frame, and then you have to also lower the 10mm power to a .40 S&W level to be practical for self defense. Well the .40 S&W already possesses those modifications lol
In Brasil the police used .40sw 155 grain gold magtech hollowpoints, on taurus pt100 5 inch pistols, with amazing results.. MANY criminals killed with 1 or 2 torso shots, now they are changing for 9mm with beretta apx full size 4,25 barrel with 9mm +p bonded 124 grain magtech... now most of the criminals are needing 3-5 shots tô get the same results..
Yeah, that's exactly what I have seen in footage as a blanket caliber statement. I saw 1-2 shots with .40 stopping bad guys, then 9mm taking anywhere from 5 to 15 shots.
@@GunSamthanks, Sam. I've said this before. I alternate carrying the .40 and .357 magnum. The magnum I carried while in Law enforcement. Thanks for showcasing these calibers, even though it causes 9mm acolytes heads to explode.
Interesting but understandable, need to see some tests on that 124....the 115 guardian gold did really well in Lucky Gunner I believe going from memory
I was talking with a couple of 5-0 associates about this recently. Raleigh PD went back to 45ACP. NCSHP is still using 357Sig. Pretty much every other department around has switched to 9. "New technology/vastly superior/blah blah blah." I don't remember which gunwriter years ago said, "I don't care what caliber you carry in your pistol; it just needs to start with a '4'".
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The only real issue with the 40 S&W IMO is the recoil and it impacts shot placement which is the most critical aspect in a shooting. The 9mm surpasses the 40 in popularity for 2 reasons, it recoils less making it easier to hit with. (a critical consideration) and it's less expensive that 40 in both practice and carry ammo. I personally like the 40 but carry the 9mm for the reasons already listed. I shoot it better and it's less expensive so I practice more.
I am one of those that see 40 as a marketing phenomenon. I have never found a good explanation of how much energy it takes to expand a bullet 1.5 diameter. Locally in Cincinnati it took (1) magazine to stop a target by a LEO. Caliber does not matter. They shot until empty when they carried 40 caliber. Now they carry 9mm and shoot far less than a magazine.
You need a "Castle Wolfenstien" template to put on the lower part of your video for the FPS shooting. I'm not sure about that Corbon, but I liked how the Federal performed. I wonder if the Remington tumbled to produce that tear. I'm not sure dieseling would do that.
@@GunSam That can happen. It's worse when a word you are about to use drops out of your brain in mid sentence. LOL. Check your mail. I got some 105gr FN bullets that may tumble. Or not. Only one way to find out! Load data is hard to come by. I need to see if I can find Lyman's manual. Except for 158 LSWC, my data is all for jacketed bullets. At least Allianz and Speer agree on the 158s.
I'd love to see a video comparing 9mm, .40S&W, .45acp hardcast. You could get to use all 3 blocks and I'm betting most people would be surprised at how well all those calibers penetrate. I've seen all 3 tested individually but I've never seen anyone do a back to back comparison.
As usual; thank you for your analysis. I really like that .40 ammo, but it's really hard for me to fall in love with semiauto. I think that for the moment I will continue with my 357 python ... beware! I'm not old... lol🤣
The Underwood plus p plus Extreme Defender will get you nearly 500 ft lbs from a 9 and incredible hard barrier penetration , it is the king of boutique 9mm and if I carried a gun like say my HK P7 that would be the fuel.
If you have any kicking around, give the 180gr Golden Saber a try. People go off on it for jacket separation, but if it gets 12 inches before then who cares?
Yeah, Dan the Wolfman sent a couple of them. The brass jacket is quite tough, I recall always getting jacket separation with everything Golden Saber in the past, even when they impact dirt. There is the new Golden Saber Bonded in .40 S&W that would solve that problem.
@@GunSam I have had good luck with the regular 180. The bonded don't seem to open as consistently for me. Maybe you will have better luck with longer barrels. (might be an interesting test) I really have no issue with some jacket separation as long as it holds together for the first 10-12 inches.
This is awesome! It's making me want a 5" 40. I have a 4" 40, and 155 gr Underwood XTPs push 550 foot pounds out of it. But this is a pretty sweet test! I gotta get my hands on some of those Cor Bons...
I have no idea. After he went off on Mr. Guns and gear calling him out for stolen valor, when Mr. Guns and Gear was legit military, I unsubbed the Yankee Marshall. I watch him from time to time as some of his videos are okay, but I don't really like him.
I have heard it a lot lol. But if a large man with a 30 OZ pistol can't shoot it without limp wristing it, that doesn't add to their argument about reliability lol
Very late to the party, I killed a black tail buck with a .40 S&W around 7 yards with 180 grain gold dot hit lungs ran about 50 yards and died because my rifle was too far out of reach, 40 is a very capable round. I personally believe the .40 is amazing in full size duty pistols but suck in small pistols like the shield. 9mm appears to be lacking in duty firearms but do excellent in small conceal carry handguns. 380 has a 1 or 2 rounds required on average to stop an attacker and so does 40 but 9mm has a 2-3 and I believe that is because 9mm is being used as duty at further ranges than should be used.
Probably Gold Dot and HST both in 165 gr. This more or less is like the stopping power of .357 Magnum, always expansion and pretty good penetration. If I was woods walking and also in the city, the 180 gr would be a better compromise.
Why 180 in the city? And what about barrier penetration like through a windshield or car door Ect , part of the reason I like 40 is it’s ability to still have great Penetration through barriers where 9mm seems to fall very short? Also carrying a Glock 23 but do sometimes a 27 and also a 22
I've NEVER seen a Starfire expand in ANY caliber, in ANYmedium.. Nice design, but I think the velocity is to low, jacket too stiff, lead too hard, or a combination of all three. Or the jacket may need skives.
When was 40 S&W not a great cartridge? I mean, it's not a 10mm but 38 Special is not a .357 Mag either but that doesn't mean it's not a great cartridge. Can't we all just get along? lol lol lol Rodney King's legacy... POS
Since so many say the 40 S&W has too much recoil know that I read a story about a professional shooter who used a simple exercise to strengthen his fingers, hand, wrist and forearm so that he now controls just about any handgun's recoil with ease. He merely used a big baseball bat. He held it at arms length, pointed it at the ground, then using only his wrist, he lifted it straight up going slightly past his shoulder level, then slowly pointed it back at the ground. Repeat 10 times and do it 10 times a day. Anyone adult can do this and make even a little progress so that recoil from the 40S&W is no longer a reason why not to use it. I have tried it myself and even at age 73 I found it does indeed help in shooting a handgun. Once the recoil problem is no longer a problem then the effectiveness shown by you is a valid reason to use the 40 S&W. Good show! Keep them coming.
I was never big on 40 until i purchased the Gen5 Glock 22 , it definitely handles the recoil well ....
Gen 5s are thicker slide and 2 ounces heavier made for a Brazilian PD contract I heard. I haven't got chance to Fire one yet but 2 ounces can make a big difference to most shooters
thanks
🤔😊 I like the 40.
Same here.
Before we switched to 9 for political and $ reasons I carried the .40 for 13yrs on duty, mostly in 180 grains. It was definitely better than 9mm
I/we did also. 165 & 180gr Hydra shock's. I thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread until the HST's came out. Dept transitioned to 9mm about two yrs before I retired. I bought back my G22 that was traded in. I love that gun and ammo combination even though I'm no G-lock fan boy.
I'm a 40 Smith fan too. Do reluctantly carry a Sig 365 in warm weather, but always go back to the Glock 23 in 40 Smith in cool weather. Just don't have the confidence in 9mm that I have in 40.
@loctitecody7830 Any stories of OIS you can share? Did it seem like 2-3 shots of .40 to upper thoracic usually dropped them vs 9mm taking more and more likely to Re-animate after falling down or kneeling (BP returns)?
@@DanTheWolfman 2 of 3 .40 incidents were 1 shot drops to the lungs. Both suspects were only shot once, dropped instantly and lived. The third incident was mlitple shots quickly then immediate drop and death.
Thanks Dan!
I carry 155 grain underwood xtp. 1300 fps, 582 ft lbs energy in a full size M&P. Changed the crap trigger to an Apex and I found my EDC for life! Killed my biggest buck at 13 yards with that round. It destroyed the heart and lodged in the opposite shoulder. I also carry the 200 grain hard cast from underwood for bear/woods. They load em hot and I trust them.
Great video… the .40 will be great in my option…
My first pistol was a Sig p229 in .40 S&W, the slide rack on this baby is like butter by now.
Caliber debates are always fun. In an ER or autopsy the results of various calibers are indistinguishable.
That doesn't matter. I am all about stopping a threat regardless of what an autopsy shows. And indeed there is a HUGE difference in different cartridges' ability to stop a threat.
Great info.
Excellent test. Just simply the best video on 40 ammo. Thanks 🇺🇸👍
Thank you Sam for stressing the importance of ammo selection as it relates to performance issues.
Excellent proclamation Lord Weatherly. We 40 brethren demand only the best for our FNX 40's!
The Starfire bullet was designed by Tom Burczynski, the fellow who created the Hydra-Shok. Both designs work on hydraulic principles; the post in the Hydra-Shok forces fluids against the inside of the hollow cavity and initiate expansion, and the Starfire uses a fluted hollow cavity which causes the fluids to act like a series of wedges, opening up the bullet.
A man in the know! Thanks for sharing.
I carry 357 Sig for my everyday carry, but after that I would select 40SW. I think it is superior to 45ACP and 9mm.
Just got a 357 Sig conversion kit for my Sig P320. Coincidentally I ordered a police trade in Glock 23 gen 4 this week.
@@patbrown463I did the same for my p229.. best of both worlds
@@Rubeless I think doctors would agree that more damage is worse, and for any given bullet design the hotter the round the worse the damage will be. This is especially important when you miss a vital spot by 1/4 of an inch. The likelihood of affecting the heart, lung, or spine even if you miss slightly is more likely with the more powerful round. I think the empirical data around the superiority of the 357 magnum when it comes to one shot stops supports this. The ballistics of hot 10mm and 357 Sig today are similar or superior to the "duty" 357 magnums that were being used by police back in the day. The 40S&W and 357 Sig were born because of the ineffectiveness of 9mm and 38 Special during the Miami Dade Shootout. After the shootout, the FBI tried to move to 10mm, but the recoil was too much, which led to the development of the 40S&W. Just based on stories, the 40S&W has a good reputation for being effective, but I suspect the recoil was still too much for a lot of people. 40S&W is noticeably snappier than 9mm. Until recently, the Secret Service and Air Marshals used 357 Sigs, although they have since gone to 9mm. However, I believe the primary reason for the move back to 9mm is mostly because of cost. I think the whole newer more effective bullet design is BS, which is why smart cops grab rifles if they think they are going to be shot at.
I have one of the first 2.0 40s on market. I have run a few thousand rounds of factory, reman, handloads of 40, 357 Sig(barrel) & a 9mm conversion barrel. The only malfunction has been a failure to feed with a 9mm(Stormlake conversion barrel) and I wasn't shooting. Actually a gentleman with RA was. We shoot up here in Northwoods Lake Michigan & Lake Superior area of UP & Northern WI year round. I have had my guns out & on range in single digits a decent amount. My 1.0 40c had a couple failures to feed & was a bit sluggish a few times when I first bought it in fall 2014. It was around 10 degrees when I put the first box through it when I experienced these issues. I haven't had any issues since. My teen & young adult daughters have shot this 1.0 quite a bit also with no issues. M&P 40s have proven very reliable for me. Federal for the win in this demo but brother that Cor-bon is hot. Thank you Dan for donating ammo.
The .40 is great caliber, powerfull and very controllable. I love glock 19 but the Glock 23 gen.5 is very, very controllable the recoil. Thanks for video!
Thanks to Dan the Wolfman And Sam for this collaboration of testing and shooting. Very nice to see this match up. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
Thanks for watching!
You're welcome glad you're enjoying these
Would’ve sent you some underwood extreme defenders if I’d known! 😊
I think a hot 165 at 1150 plus is the best and then 180 at 1000 , but the forty can deliver ferocious energy in the lighter bullets and many different weights would also be a good choice, the 40 is superior to the old stale 9mm and those are just the facts.
@@bobjones-bt9bh Yeah I have shot them all, the Nosler Sporting is really a soft lead cup core designed for hunting to expand at range a little and drive deep, the other Underwood loaded XTP is the same , but both at around 1300 would be devastating for defence too, 1300 is the magic number according to Bill Wilson who has shot more game and knows more about projectiles and their real world effects than anyone.
I thought .40 was already great!
Yes, always has been ballistically great. But the public perception of it is not great. They will either take information from 30 years ago with some older gen 2 or gen 1 Glocks cracking frames and claim it's no good, or they will claim that it's 10mm Short and Weak so it's worthless. Then you got the guys who claim modern 9mm is (arm swing) just as good. There may be small elements of truth but none of those ideas are true overall, and currently. The fact is the .40 S&W was one of the best man stoppers of the 20th century and still is, if people who carry could just see that and stop listening to trolls...it could be great again in the public eye.
@@GunSamdon't forget the FBIs option seems to carry too much weight on perception as well because they say something it's a standard.
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I have a solid stock of 165 and 180 grain LE Tactical HSTs. So, all set on defensive ammo. 👍
165 gr seems to be the equivalent to a 125 gr .357 Mag. Good balanced energy dump, adequate penetration.
If loaded properly it'll be above 500. Plus a larger cross section.
.40 S&W continues to be the solution for the 9mm limitations, and it doesn't require any special up-pressure or millions of dollars in metal/copper/polymer R&D.
It's sort of like trying to build a 4-cylinder engine to extract every last mile out of a drop of petrol with turbos, electric motors, superchargers, tons of computer programs..... or you could just scrap all of that and use a simple V8.
Yes. Many people go on and on about 10mm, but that's the next size pistol frame, and then you have to also lower the 10mm power to a .40 S&W level to be practical for self defense. Well the .40 S&W already possesses those modifications lol
Nice shootin Tex
GS. Another good video and nice comparison of ammos. Thanks for sharing and take care.
The .40 has always been great to me... 👍🏼🇺🇲
2 of my favorite calibers is 40S&W and 357sig
In Brasil the police used .40sw 155 grain gold magtech hollowpoints, on taurus pt100 5 inch pistols, with amazing results.. MANY criminals killed with 1 or 2 torso shots, now they are changing for 9mm with beretta apx full size 4,25 barrel with 9mm +p bonded 124 grain magtech... now most of the criminals are needing 3-5 shots tô get the same results..
Yeah, that's exactly what I have seen in footage as a blanket caliber statement. I saw 1-2 shots with .40 stopping bad guys, then 9mm taking anywhere from 5 to 15 shots.
@@GunSamthanks, Sam. I've said this before. I alternate carrying the .40 and .357 magnum. The magnum I carried while in Law enforcement. Thanks for showcasing these calibers, even though it causes 9mm acolytes heads to explode.
Interesting but understandable, need to see some tests on that 124....the 115 guardian gold did really well in Lucky Gunner I believe going from memory
@@GunSamI'm curious about how 45 performs in the real world.
I was talking with a couple of 5-0 associates about this recently. Raleigh PD went back to 45ACP. NCSHP is still using 357Sig. Pretty much every other department around has switched to 9.
"New technology/vastly superior/blah blah blah."
I don't remember which gunwriter years ago said, "I don't care what caliber you carry in your pistol; it just needs to start with a '4'".
Thanks for doing that comparison. I think there’s a lot of us that would like to see 40 caliber in the mix.
★ Allways interesting. Looks like the federal, overall, does it.
Thank you!
I live how hot Corbon 40 s&w ammo is loaded but my observation has been that they sont design theur orojectiles properly to work with that velocity.
Sweet love .40 cal the Ranger t serier 165gr are wicked.
For 40 I think the 155 - 165 is the way to go for carry
I should have said 150 ..... I think 180/175 is best in a 10mm @@DinoNucci
Those are some serious wound tracks
The 40. 180 or 165 grain for me.
Thanks Sam and Dan.
You're welcome
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Didn't see bullet well before u shot cor bon was that old speer profile thanks be safe Peace
Yay for 40s&w !!!!!!!
I am hoping the 40 S&W makes a comeback. It is to great of a round to let go of.
The only real issue with the 40 S&W IMO is the recoil and it impacts shot placement which is the most critical aspect in a shooting. The 9mm surpasses the 40 in popularity for 2 reasons, it recoils less making it easier to hit with. (a critical consideration) and it's less expensive that 40 in both practice and carry ammo. I personally like the 40 but carry the 9mm for the reasons already listed. I shoot it better and it's less expensive so I practice more.
I am one of those that see 40 as a marketing phenomenon.
I have never found a good explanation of how much energy it takes to expand a bullet 1.5 diameter.
Locally in Cincinnati it took (1) magazine to stop a target by a LEO. Caliber does not matter. They shot until empty when they carried 40 caliber. Now they carry 9mm and shoot far less than a magazine.
Hmm, wow...wow great data , so all the cops mag dumped in 40 but not now with a nine, great data and thanks for sharing.
You need a "Castle Wolfenstien" template to put on the lower part of your video for the FPS shooting.
I'm not sure about that Corbon, but I liked how the Federal performed. I wonder if the Remington tumbled to produce that tear. I'm not sure dieseling would do that.
Yeah, when I said dieseling, it was a mix-up of words as I knew that wasn't the right word at the moment but I couldn't think of it.
@@GunSam That can happen. It's worse when a word you are about to use drops out of your brain in mid sentence. LOL.
Check your mail. I got some 105gr FN bullets that may tumble. Or not. Only one way to find out! Load data is hard to come by. I need to see if I can find Lyman's manual. Except for 158 LSWC, my data is all for jacketed bullets. At least Allianz and Speer agree on the 158s.
Biggest flash with Corbon
Nice to see the 40 comparison and actually a little surprised on the Starfire, they never seem to perform very well
@3:20 The shape of a 9mm round on av should feed better than the av 40 , better shape & less distance to the chamber .
I keep waiting for a CZ P-06 to magically land in my lap, but until then I will never know the joys of a 40 S&W.
It's interesting that you released this video because I have been considering going back to 40 S&W. It is superior to both 9mm and 45 acp.
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I still have some Corbon ammo for my two Khars. Its a rude little bastard in a polymer framed sub compact.
I'd love to see a video comparing 9mm, .40S&W, .45acp hardcast. You could get to use all 3 blocks and I'm betting most people would be surprised at how well all those calibers penetrate. I've seen all 3 tested individually but I've never seen anyone do a back to back comparison.
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As usual; thank you for your analysis. I really like that .40 ammo, but it's really hard for me to fall in love with semiauto. I think that for the moment I will continue with my 357 python ... beware! I'm not old... lol🤣
I say let everyone think that designer 9mm is just as powerful or better than a 40.😂
The Underwood plus p plus Extreme Defender will get you nearly 500 ft lbs from a 9 and incredible hard barrier penetration , it is the king of boutique 9mm and if I carried a gun like say my HK P7 that would be the fuel.
If you have any kicking around, give the 180gr Golden Saber a try. People go off on it for jacket separation, but if it gets 12 inches before then who cares?
Yeah, Dan the Wolfman sent a couple of them. The brass jacket is quite tough, I recall always getting jacket separation with everything Golden Saber in the past, even when they impact dirt. There is the new Golden Saber Bonded in .40 S&W that would solve that problem.
They make a bonded golden Saber. 165 and 180.
The 165 is superior
@@GunSam I have had good luck with the regular 180. The bonded don't seem to open as consistently for me. Maybe you will have better luck with longer barrels. (might be an interesting test) I really have no issue with some jacket separation as long as it holds together for the first 10-12 inches.
Cor-Bon .40 S&W = nearly everybody else's 10mm lol.
This is awesome! It's making me want a 5" 40. I have a 4" 40, and 155 gr Underwood XTPs push 550 foot pounds out of it. But this is a pretty sweet test! I gotta get my hands on some of those Cor Bons...
Thanks!
Wait is this a certain Yankee Marshall's campaign?
I have no idea. After he went off on Mr. Guns and gear calling him out for stolen valor, when Mr. Guns and Gear was legit military, I unsubbed the Yankee Marshall. I watch him from time to time as some of his videos are okay, but I don't really like him.
@@GunSamSame with me, I haven't watched him since that happened.
@@GunSam Nobody likes him much but he is ok in a goofy way and man does he have a huge collection of some fantastic pistols...
"Limp Wristing the Gun!" is such a B.S. excuse for a gun jamming.
I have heard it a lot lol. But if a large man with a 30 OZ pistol can't shoot it without limp wristing it, that doesn't add to their argument about reliability lol
Very late to the party, I killed a black tail buck with a .40 S&W around 7 yards with 180 grain gold dot hit lungs ran about 50 yards and died because my rifle was too far out of reach, 40 is a very capable round.
I personally believe the .40 is amazing in full size duty pistols but suck in small pistols like the shield. 9mm appears to be lacking in duty firearms but do excellent in small conceal carry handguns. 380 has a 1 or 2 rounds required on average to stop an attacker and so does 40 but 9mm has a 2-3 and I believe that is because 9mm is being used as duty at further ranges than should be used.
The PMC Starfire ammo gave me ftf in a couple different .40s i owned. They're 155gr, as i still have a few brand new boxes
What top loads would u recommend for the 40
Probably Gold Dot and HST both in 165 gr. This more or less is like the stopping power of .357 Magnum, always expansion and pretty good penetration. If I was woods walking and also in the city, the 180 gr would be a better compromise.
Why 180 in the city? And what about barrier penetration like through a windshield or car door Ect , part of the reason I like 40 is it’s ability to still have great Penetration through barriers where 9mm seems to fall very short? Also carrying a Glock 23 but do sometimes a 27 and also a 22
I have the barrel to switch my Glock 32c from 357Sig to .40 Cal. I don't feel undergunned with either one!
I’m actually interested in the pmc star fire stuff .. I bought some from a old feller a few weeks ago .. I got 250 round for 50 bucks
40 has much better street results with 155 and 165 grain
I've NEVER seen a Starfire expand in ANY caliber, in ANYmedium.. Nice design, but I think the velocity is to low, jacket too stiff, lead too hard, or a combination of all three. Or the jacket may need skives.
When was 40 S&W not a great cartridge? I mean, it's not a 10mm but 38 Special is not a .357 Mag either but that doesn't mean it's not a great cartridge. Can't we all just get along? lol lol lol Rodney King's legacy... POS
Like America 40 was never not great.
Although America is slipping bad right now. Real bad.