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You guys forgot one. Spraying with muriatic acid. Keep it wetted with it for about 30 minutes. Rinse with water. Wherever there's rust, it'll be gone. Only downside it won't work on paint... But rust...😚🤌
what if you used the paint eater to take a big chunk of the paint and then use the laser to do a deeper cleaner? or use laser first and Peater after? Try mix tools to see if you can get a better job.
,,,DUH !!!!!,,, you said you don't want to use a sandblasster because of all the paint chips and whatever being in the air and in the Bay ..... yet EVERY option you tried does axactly the same !!!!!,,, why didn't you try some of those chemical liquids that transform rust into metal ,,, I live in France and we use a product called Rustol , there are several other products that stop rust and protect the metal and there are NO dust, sandblastered material , no grinders or sanders or lazers etc , you just use a paint brush to apply and when it's dry you can paint over it ,,, without polluting the air or the bay with anything !!!
I have a 3000w laser at my workshop which I initially bought for a large resto job on some antique machinery but since owning it, it has paid for itself at least twice over with customers coming in just for small cleaning jobs instead of waiting for sand blasters to do it. I also use it for cutting instead of using the plasma cutter as the material loss is about half and cut is super clean, also use it for welding aluminium and stainless. A very versatile machine if you can warrant the initial cost and maintenance!
I'm just impressed by the fact that this technology went from being too expensive and not worth it to pricey but will pay off well in the long run in the matter of 5 years since it first showed up on the market.
@@minhducnguyen9276 It's wild how quick they've dropped in price, a company next to my place of work bought one from Alibaba for less than $10k and it works super well. Those machines cost $50k+ just a few years ago. They're not much more expensive either when you get them with the equipment needed for metal cutting and welding. Biggest downside really is the danger, IR lasers are not visible to the human eye but will still blind you.
I laughed, I cried, I pondered the advantages (and also the advantages) of various rust removal methods--really the full spectrum of human emotions there. Great video!
@@Pocketfarmer1 I've done my share of that, and, many years of using chainsaws. Modern ones have AV built into them, on older ones - it was non existent. In the UK, Hand Arm Vibration Syndrome, is also known as White Finger.
@@donduckensen441…no it’s an occupational disease due to a specific job that causes the disease, aka vibrations. It’s avoidable by working with machines better equipped to absorb the vibrations or alternative methods. Not everyone who works will acquire it. So your comment was ….🙄
@@donduckensen441that’s an old dumb mentality. People in real first world countries don’t think like that anymore. There is no point in hurting yourself if the job can be done just as fast or faster without potentially causing long lasting injury. 😂
@@thelighthousecenters Due to Environmental issues dry blasting is becoming outlawed here in Australia, now wetblasting or hydro blasting are the normally used solution neither of which were tested!
Yeah Jordan is the real deal! Also I’ve only been running a sandblast shop for my whole life. Aren’t I dirty enough for you? lol One time a welder showed up at my shop and his shirt buttons were straight so I sent him home 😂
@@thelighthousecenters Yeah you can't have clean and well dressed nice smelling welders around the shop, that would be completely silly. You need to be able to smell at least a mix of coffee, oil and grease, burned metal, some sweat and a couple of farts. Otherwise they are no good at all. 🤣😂
@@insAneTunA I am also a welder and everybody told me to just dress a little better as my clothes were full of holes and always dirty. Now I am still a welder, but use the laser machine. Now I can weld in my church clothes.
It's common knowledge in the trades that welders miss button the shirt like that to add protection to their upper leg area on the dominant right-hand side.
Whoever is editing these is very funny, and you’re also very funny 🤣 I never in my life imagined that lighthouse restoration videos would be hilarious. And also interesting from the restoration perspective. What’s not to love 🤌🏼
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needle scalers are required to use a whip hose as the vibration can damage the quick release they also require lubricated air that may contaminate the work area so if you are painting after using a scaler there is a good chance you will need something to remove oil
Don't use a quick release at all... Crows foot connections and whip checks work the best... The vibrations kill the quick release in no time... And don't underestimate the damage a broken hose with 150 psi air going through it can do... I've seen a guy getting KO'ed by the end of a 1" air hose and end fitting whipping around and hitting him across the face🤕 It sure looked painful🫣
@@sambitpanigrahy8991 we will try to do more of that. We are trying to balance fun with information and the outtakes are pretty good. I’m not a professional TH-camr so I do make some funny mistakes. Not everyone watches to the end. Thanks for the feedback!
I think its slightly over the top. Also with that kid holding the lighthouse microphone I keep cringing. Maybe I am out of touch with that newest generation GenZ.
There is something called a deck scaler. It is made for cleaning rusty ship decks. It is like a floor buffer sized paint eater that uses small chain links instead of pads etc. another option is UHP water jet which is also used for large surface maritime rust removal.
There are also deck scalers that use rows of star shaped "washers" mounted on rods that are mounted on a cylinder. End result is like a needle gun but cleaner ( and noisier). Used them in the NAVY. They come in various sizes.
@@thelighthousecenters Maybe an Aurand Electric Hand-Held Scaler should work, since its not as heavy. or an AMSM-50 from allmarine that is even lighter.
@@peterlosangelos4108 The "smoke" is literally just smoke. There is no material in it. The laser burns it to the point there is quite literally nothing left. I've anything was to remain, it wouldn't be big enough to even make an impact. I've seen videos where those things have cooked asbestos, HIV virus, and even killed water bears!! It's all bout the intensity of the light.
@@peterlosangelos4108 Funny that its a topic when BP is ALLOWED to dump 200 million gallons of oil in the ocean. If you have enough money they look the other way.
@@peterlosangelos4108 I've never worked with this kind of thing so I'm guessing but the laser can't do any environmental damage and the dust can probably only be dangerous if you remove something dangerous but it's probably more of a danger to the end user than the environment
I have only one major concern with the laser. If the paint that was used on the lighthouse was a lead based paint then it seems to me that you do not want to breath in or come in contact with those vapors under any circumstances. Not even the slightest bit. So wearing a suitable mask and some protective overalls and gloves during the operation is strongly advised. Lead is very nasty and very dangerous stuff when it vaporizes or when it is dissolved into a solution. It seems to me that you do not want to let the vapors come in contact with your skin or get inside your lungs. And a wrong gust of wind could easily put you in the middle of a cloud from lead vapor. I would strongly advise you to do some research about this so that you know for sure how to stay safe and if it is a hazard or even an issue at all, and what to do if there are any dangers to it. 👍
I think that would be a concern regardless of what they went with for paint removal. But less of fumes and more of particles with the other options. Wearing masks is probably the smart idea either way with potential of lead based paint.
Very good point. They really should test the paint for lead just to be certain. (if they havent already) Lead testers are dirt cheap so no use taking risks.
@@Crazyguy_123MC Most metals are completely harmless as long as they are a solid. People need to understand that the danger comes with the vaporizing or when metals are dissolved into a solution. Lead doesn't leave the body, it accumulates and it can cause a whole range of physical problems, even at a later age. Including that it lowers the IQ from people, but that is not even the worst problem.
@@Crazyguy_123MC TH-cam does not allow me to mention some of the dangers from vaporized or dissolved lead. It is much more dangerous then most people realize. Solid metals are mostly safe. But some metals become extremely dangerous when vaporized or dissolved. Even a single tiny drop of such a liquid with certain dissolved metals can be very dangerous and cause long lasting very serious health issues when it comes into contact with your skin, and there is no cure for it. So in that regard sandblasting is much safer. Of course sandblasting has its own dangers, but those dangers are much less as what I mentioned up above.
There's also the high pressure washer like they just used on Battleship New Jersey, i think its around 30,000 psi and it takes all the paint and rust off with just water.
I've done weeks of work with the twisted wire 'cup brush' wheels and they really work great. A wash down afterwards, then good quality primer gives amazing results - even years later. It looks to me, like the barge had several layers of 2-pack paint, which I suspect is hugely tougher than what is on the lighthouse currently I'd suggest you run a test on the lighthouse with a cup-brush wheel. The laser unit, will be:- fussy; delicate; affected by salt air; difficult to lift; will it even fit through the door (or need to sit outside?); needs a serious power supply - it's too many downsides in my book. I've worked with high-powered lasers in the past and you spent half the time just keeping the internal alignment correct, so it would give full output..
Except for the fact that all the other methods will leave tons of paint debris floating in the water, meaning you'd need to contain and decontaminate the entire area...which would be so overwhelmingly cost prohibitive that they'd never be able to do it. If contamination wasn't a problem they'd be using the sand blaster, no question. Furthermore, those cup brushes still won't be getting into the deep pitting like a laser or sand blaster would, you'd still have to use something else for it. Were you not paying attention to the video at all?
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper If the over-riding requiremnet is 'no debris put in the environment', then there is only one method (the laser) that will do that. If so, why run a comparison of many methods, if you can only use one anyway? I have plenty of experience in marine, LASERs, and metal restoration, and can foresee issues with that combination, that you, without my experience, probably can't see.
@@RangieNZ Gosh if you can see all of these problems ahead of me, then you should've been able to see the video like I did. That would've explained the entire purpose of the comparison, but it appears that you just wanted to run straight to the comments and talk about how awesome you are for doing manual labor.
@@RogerSmith-h3i The results shown from the cup brush, were actually perfect for the results needed. As stated above, the paint on the barge, is very different to the paint on the light house. Also as stated, a wash down after the cup brush and apply good quality primer will give perfect results. I have literally done this task before and the results are still perfect many years later - you don't have to get down to shiny metal everywhere for paint to stick.
There is a tool called a Tercoo disk, that attaches to a handdrill or to an angle grinder. It is a rubber disk with several tungsten tips, it is pretty efficient and leaves a good finish half way between sandblast and needle scaler. The concept is pretty similar to the "paint eater" except that it works great because the tips are tungsten. The company also has a device to attach 8 disks for big surfaces with a nozzle for a vaccum cleaner to avoid contaminating the area. Probably less fun than the lazer but a way cheaper alternative.
You used a cheap Harbor Freight quality POS needle scaler. A better quality heavy duty Ingersol Rand (still only $100 or so) or similar unit would give you a better representation of capability. The navy uses the heck out of these, we use one for the pre clean on heavily corroded items before finishing in the sandblast cabinet, saves tons of time and media.
That would be awesome if we could bring the lighthouse in to a shipyard to get it done! Unfortunately it’s permanently installed 3.5 miles from shore and that makes a lot of things that people do in shipyards extremely difficult to do out there.
The nice thing about the laser clean is that most of them can also weld. So you could repair some of the metal on the lighthouse or improve the lift to get big machinery up there.
Awesome to see you guys restoring the old lighthouse. I always think its kind of ironic/funny to hear about the environmental concerns -> the water would erode it all away to nothing over time anyway... into the water, sand getting into the Bay and beaches... can't have sand going there... , and so on... seems silly.
I have done more than a little sandblasting myself. It is very effective, but also very nasty, hot and hard work. I have also tired wire wheels, sanding, and grinding. From what I have seen and read about the laser machines I would say that is the best method to use as well. I would love to try using a laser paint remover some time.
He edited the eff outta this bad Larry! And every time someone mentions editing we buy him a Starbucks so he’s gonna be hopped up on caffeine while editing the next one 😁
Well that was very interesting. The laser IS the best choice for the job. Everything else is just too slow and meant for small jobs (except Sandblasting). Fun video, thanks. Good luck guys.
In all fairness to the "paint eater", it's made for automotive work. What you call "paint" in your business is thicker and tougher than the entire body work of a road vehicle. Probably even a construction machine.
While I would agree that the laser equipment is ideal for a job of this scale and worksite environment, I'd recommend taking a few braided wire wheel grinders out there as a redundant backup. Moreover, I'd recommend researching 19th-19th century cleaning methods as well as operations and maintenance (O&M) for lighthouses. I also wouldn't limit your search of this subject to the U.S.; Rather, I recommend extending your search to all European and Nordic countries.
Well, it DOES contaminate... the air, not the water, but is it so much better? The correct way would be, to have a catch canvas around the perimeter and sand blast it. You would catch most of the dirt. Sure, only doable with a large boat. But burning paint without filtering the fumes, is not ideal.
I think for such a large job I would consider making some kind of super simple track/cnc thing so that the laser or whatever could run automatic and then be moved along.
Considered any kind of chemical cleaning agents? Keeping waste contained would be a challenge, no doubt, but given the amount of surface you're working on I would look into it. I don't know what's available or anything, but maybe you already looked into it?
Interesting comparison. If the laser can actually SURVIVE treating that much heavily scaled surface area,, that will serve as a stellar endorsement for the product
Different advantages and different advantages of this Bad Larry, indeed! Very cool. Does the lighthouse have a sacrificial anode or will there be any way to prevent/inhibit once this mammoth task is completed?
Hahah you made my day with this comment! We will look into the effectiveness of a sacrificial anode for the caisson application. Yes, the task is indeed mammoth 🐘 Thanks!
but only with dedicated cleaning laser, not a 3in1 2000w laser like this used here. i have a similar laser, it heats metal quickly, wood surface is left burned even on small 300w power settting. but you can weld or cut with it also.
Looks like some combination would be best, maybe a bunch of people with grinders with those braided wire brushes and someone to follow-up with the laser to get the paint and crap out of the pores. Excited to see how y'all end up doing this under such extreme circumstances!
Thank you! It took us a while to edit this one and Thomas had to take some time off to go on tour with a band he works with. We have a lot more content coming!
the first thing you need to know is that the needle gun is just a pneumatic version of a chipping hammer. its for taking away old paint, not for surface prep for painting.
😂😂😂it’s so funny hearing “we cannot have all the dust and paint chips all over the bay” and then the image cuts to his yard with a forest behind, and he’s chipping and dusting and grinding all over the place, like if it was different from doing it at the bay.😂😂😂
There are multiple reasons why they can't do that in the bay. #1- No permission. #2- Marine life could be hurt or inconvenienced. #3- The particulate and other debris can't be collected from the bottom of the day. #4- Inconvenience. It's a youtube video. Work efficiency would be lost with having to film. #5- Time-consuming. Again, it's a youtube video.
lol I thought the exact same thing haha. It was even more ironic considering the bit about environment where the climate girl popped up (forgot her name and I'm too lazy to look it up)
@Newmeishu They have sunk entire ships and oil rigs to make artifical reefs, the paint and metal from cleaning such a small object just doesn't seem as big of a concern in comparison
@MrTarfu they actually clean the ships and barges before they sink them. One light house might not be a problem, however imagine if everyone didn't follow environmental protection protocol. I know China and India don't care about taking care of the environment
There is a channel on YT "battleship new jersey" they just did a full repaint of the hull and they used something else to strip the paint - have you considered that? You also say that you don't want anything to end up in the bay. Laser without that vacuum and filtering produces a lot of very fine particles and it burns paint - not great. Sandblasting - sand or walnut shells are pretty much neutral to the environment? Rust should not be a problem. Do you have any guidance from the local authorities about what you can and can not do on this project?
I think they used high pressure water, but really high pressure. It still has the issue of the paint ending up in the bay, but could still work really well.
My vote is on the laser. It is the only method that does not add to the pollution. The rust and paint has to come of, and will (partly) get in the environment. But the laser will not add sand/nylon/steel to that
Looking at that whole beautiful old lighthouse and that 4 inch spread on that laser I just feel for you guys. Its like my old ass looking at the stairs I need to replace the balusters on in such a smaller scale and still think its gonna take years LOL. Good luck guys and keep up the great work.
Appears you are biased against sand blasting, favoring newfangled laser. Regardless of method employed, dust collection imperative. I propose the fabrication of a modular, transparent, plastic covered aluminum frame containment enclosure. The enclosure is hung and positioned over the side of the caisson and resting against the caisson supported with rollers to facilitate horizontal repositioning. Enclosure is supported by water filled ballast container of sufficient size and weight to support enclosure, operator and related equipment. The ballast container is positioned on walkway and supported by 4 weight rated swiveling casters allowing horizontal repositioning along top of caisson walkway as surface preparation progresses. Interior of enclosure is equipped with a platform accommodating a seated operator and configured to allow for operator vertical platform repositioning independent of enclosure as surface preparation progresses. Attached to enclosure is flexible dust collection ducting routed and connected to support vessel dust collection apparatus. Sand blasting (The superior method) equipment is located on support vessel. Containment enclosure is equipped with safety flotation devices. For example, readily available, inexpensive, large, closed-cell foam filled plastic drums. Suggest making mock up with cardboard, wood and hot melt glue gun. You are welcome.
The laser is cool, but the debris does not disappear. It goes up in smoke, which contains the elements of the paint (maybe lead)and rust. The smoke then settles onto the bay unless it is sucked up and filtered. There is no perfect solution. Good luck and best wishes for success in the restoration efforts.
Good point. Because the laser does not use air pressure the vapors are easy to contain with plastic containment and a vacuum at the blasting point. We should have mentioned that we will be doing that at the lighthouse and showing it in future videos. That’s one of the major advantages of a laser and why sandblasting is too hard. Thanks for the comment and support!
I'd say the paint eater is meant for a different job. It's meant for thin sheet metal with thin coatings and minimal rust, while doing its best to leave the metal alone since there's not much to begin with. A bead blaster would sure strip the paint off, but would also warp the sheet metal in the process. That is an awesome comparison of methods though, it'd be cool to see each of the cleaning methods repainted to demonstrate how valuable proper paint prep is for long lasting coatings.
Good day! The needle scaler may actually still be useful, although this thing is really very slow. On the caisson of the lighthouse, I saw not only protruding, but also deepened cracks and seams, and these are the easiest to clean with needle scaler if sandblasting was rejected by you from the very beginning.
Another great video! Stinks you couldn’t make it down to the lighthouse with the sand blaster. Lazer is definitely a good alternative. I enjoy the bloopers at the end. “Different advantages” to “different advantages”. “I know how to film” “let’s clean this bad Larry” 😂
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You guys forgot one. Spraying with muriatic acid. Keep it wetted with it for about 30 minutes. Rinse with water. Wherever there's rust, it'll be gone. Only downside it won't work on paint... But rust...😚🤌
The little Greta Thornbird thing made me laugh way harder than it should have
@@charlescampisijr.8065she shouldn’t be up there!
what if you used the paint eater to take a big chunk of the paint and then use the laser to do a deeper cleaner? or use laser first and Peater after? Try mix tools to see if you can get a better job.
,,,DUH !!!!!,,, you said you don't want to use a sandblasster because of all the paint chips and whatever being in the air and in the Bay ..... yet EVERY option you tried does axactly the same !!!!!,,, why didn't you try some of those chemical liquids that transform rust into metal ,,, I live in France and we use a product called Rustol , there are several other products that stop rust and protect the metal and there are NO dust, sandblastered material , no grinders or sanders or lazers etc , you just use a paint brush to apply and when it's dry you can paint over it ,,, without polluting the air or the bay with anything !!!
I have a 3000w laser at my workshop which I initially bought for a large resto job on some antique machinery but since owning it, it has paid for itself at least twice over with customers coming in just for small cleaning jobs instead of waiting for sand blasters to do it. I also use it for cutting instead of using the plasma cutter as the material loss is about half and cut is super clean, also use it for welding aluminium and stainless. A very versatile machine if you can warrant the initial cost and maintenance!
I'm just impressed by the fact that this technology went from being too expensive and not worth it to pricey but will pay off well in the long run in the matter of 5 years since it first showed up on the market.
@@minhducnguyen9276 It's wild how quick they've dropped in price, a company next to my place of work bought one from Alibaba for less than $10k and it works super well. Those machines cost $50k+ just a few years ago. They're not much more expensive either when you get them with the equipment needed for metal cutting and welding.
Biggest downside really is the danger, IR lasers are not visible to the human eye but will still blind you.
For the 3Kw do you need 3 phase power? I’m considering investing in one but I only have single phase 220v so I think I’ll be limited to a 2KW
@@EOTG_AKMove to Europe and have 3phase almost everywhere. 😅😅
What brand is it and if someone knows which brand is the best and also which Chinese brand is the best?
I laughed, I cried, I pondered the advantages (and also the advantages) of various rust removal methods--really the full spectrum of human emotions there. Great video!
See, you get it. Most people just ponder the advantages, but you pondered the advantages and the advantages!
I'd say avoid anything that gives a risk of Hand Arm Vibration Syndrome.
On a lighter note these lighthouses are soooo cool 😎
Yeah… that’s definitely not in our budget! 😁
Thanks. Never heard of it before . Got it from 25yrs of busting rust on tugboats ,but didn’t know it was a syndrome.
@@Pocketfarmer1 I've done my share of that, and, many years of using chainsaws. Modern ones have AV built into them, on older ones - it was non existent. In the UK, Hand Arm Vibration Syndrome, is also known as White Finger.
@@donduckensen441…no it’s an occupational disease due to a specific job that causes the disease, aka vibrations. It’s avoidable by working with machines better equipped to absorb the vibrations or alternative methods. Not everyone who works will acquire it. So your comment was ….🙄
@@donduckensen441that’s an old dumb mentality. People in real first world countries don’t think like that anymore. There is no point in hurting yourself if the job can be done just as fast or faster without potentially causing long lasting injury. 😂
I love your passion and could smell the rust dust on my couch and haven’t done this type of work for 20 years.
Thanks. Yeah you never forget those smells!
Neil Young RUST NEVER SLEEPS is his favorite CD.
@@thelighthousecenters Due to Environmental issues dry blasting is becoming outlawed here in Australia, now wetblasting or hydro blasting are the normally used solution neither of which were tested!
That's a real welder you've got there, dirty jean, dirty gloves and shirt button crooked. He can be on my job site any day. 👍😊 Well done!
Yeah Jordan is the real deal! Also I’ve only been running a sandblast shop for my whole life. Aren’t I dirty enough for you? lol One time a welder showed up at my shop and his shirt buttons were straight so I sent him home 😂
@@thelighthousecenters Yeah you can't have clean and well dressed nice smelling welders around the shop, that would be completely silly. You need to be able to smell at least a mix of coffee, oil and grease, burned metal, some sweat and a couple of farts. Otherwise they are no good at all. 🤣😂
@@insAneTunA I am also a welder and everybody told me to just dress a little better as my clothes were full of holes and always dirty. Now I am still a welder, but use the laser machine. Now I can weld in my church clothes.
It's common knowledge in the trades that welders miss button the shirt like that to add protection to their upper leg area on the dominant right-hand side.
@@rodmills4071 don’t spoil comedy gold with valid explanations. 😂
Whoever is editing these is very funny, and you’re also very funny 🤣 I never in my life imagined that lighthouse restoration videos would be hilarious. And also interesting from the restoration perspective. What’s not to love 🤌🏼
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needle scalers are required to use a whip hose as the vibration can damage the quick release they also require lubricated air that may contaminate the work area so if you are painting after using a scaler there is a good chance you will need something to remove oil
Your always required by the paint specs to used a degreaser prior to coating
Don't use a quick release at all... Crows foot connections and whip checks work the best...
The vibrations kill the quick release in no time... And don't underestimate the damage a broken hose with 150 psi air going through it can do... I've seen a guy getting KO'ed by the end of a 1" air hose and end fitting whipping around and hitting him across the face🤕 It sure looked painful🫣
Really like the fact that the outtakes were part of that video not like a separate segment.
@@sambitpanigrahy8991 we will try to do more of that. We are trying to balance fun with information and the outtakes are pretty good. I’m not a professional TH-camr so I do make some funny mistakes. Not everyone watches to the end. Thanks for the feedback!
Really sorts the different advantages from the different advantages for this bad boy.
@@thelighthousecenters The ending really had me laughing that was very fun. I also say bad boy btw
Really like the editing, not over the top but certainly not boring. Hopefully more videos more often in the future
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I think its slightly over the top.
Also with that kid holding the lighthouse microphone I keep cringing. Maybe I am out of touch with that newest generation GenZ.
You can tell whoever was recording on the boat at the end is who edits the videos lol
@@DMDAUTOLLC yep 😂
@@Jerbod2 I hear ya. Zoomer memes hurt my GenX brain 😂 Thanks for watching!
To quote Jaws, "You're going to need a bigger boat."
Mandella effect changed that quote but this is not the channel for that topic.
That was police chief Martin Brody you're quoting.
There is something called a deck scaler. It is made for cleaning rusty ship decks. It is like a floor buffer sized paint eater that uses small chain links instead of pads etc. another option is UHP water jet which is also used for large surface maritime rust removal.
We don’t have a source of non-salt water and the containment would be really hard. But I will look into the deck scaler!
There are also deck scalers that use rows of star shaped "washers" mounted on rods that are mounted on a cylinder. End result is like a needle gun but cleaner ( and noisier). Used them in the NAVY. They come in various sizes.
@@gl309495 lol i can imagine the racket, like a tousand tins full of nickels being rolled down a hill.
@@wobblyboost 'Tousand Tundering Typhoons!
@@thelighthousecenters Maybe an Aurand Electric Hand-Held Scaler should work, since its not as heavy. or an AMSM-50 from allmarine that is even lighter.
I'm glad you're going with the laser, it feels like you're doing a 100 percent complete, and proper job with the way it strips down to a grey surface.
Please discuss environmental impact of the smoke coming off using the laser, I dont know. Smoke particles will in the end come down in the water.
@@peterlosangelos4108 The "smoke" is literally just smoke. There is no material in it. The laser burns it to the point there is quite literally nothing left. I've anything was to remain, it wouldn't be big enough to even make an impact. I've seen videos where those things have cooked asbestos, HIV virus, and even killed water bears!! It's all bout the intensity of the light.
@peterlosangelos4108 No more dangerous than all the stuff picked up in the form of dust from the ground and comes back down in the rain
@@peterlosangelos4108 Funny that its a topic when BP is ALLOWED to dump 200 million gallons of oil in the ocean. If you have enough money they look the other way.
@@peterlosangelos4108 I've never worked with this kind of thing so I'm guessing but the laser can't do any environmental damage and the dust can probably only be dangerous if you remove something dangerous but it's probably more of a danger to the end user than the environment
I have only one major concern with the laser. If the paint that was used on the lighthouse was a lead based paint then it seems to me that you do not want to breath in or come in contact with those vapors under any circumstances. Not even the slightest bit. So wearing a suitable mask and some protective overalls and gloves during the operation is strongly advised. Lead is very nasty and very dangerous stuff when it vaporizes or when it is dissolved into a solution. It seems to me that you do not want to let the vapors come in contact with your skin or get inside your lungs. And a wrong gust of wind could easily put you in the middle of a cloud from lead vapor. I would strongly advise you to do some research about this so that you know for sure how to stay safe and if it is a hazard or even an issue at all, and what to do if there are any dangers to it. 👍
I think that would be a concern regardless of what they went with for paint removal. But less of fumes and more of particles with the other options. Wearing masks is probably the smart idea either way with potential of lead based paint.
Very good point. They really should test the paint for lead just to be certain. (if they havent already)
Lead testers are dirt cheap so no use taking risks.
@@Crazyguy_123MC Most metals are completely harmless as long as they are a solid. People need to understand that the danger comes with the vaporizing or when metals are dissolved into a solution. Lead doesn't leave the body, it accumulates and it can cause a whole range of physical problems, even at a later age. Including that it lowers the IQ from people, but that is not even the worst problem.
@@Crazyguy_123MC TH-cam does not allow me to mention some of the dangers from vaporized or dissolved lead. It is much more dangerous then most people realize. Solid metals are mostly safe. But some metals become extremely dangerous when vaporized or dissolved. Even a single tiny drop of such a liquid with certain dissolved metals can be very dangerous and cause long lasting very serious health issues when it comes into contact with your skin, and there is no cure for it. So in that regard sandblasting is much safer. Of course sandblasting has its own dangers, but those dangers are much less as what I mentioned up above.
Clean Laser already did this. There was less airborne lead with the laser than there was with the needle scaler.
I love the different advantages and different advantages of every tool shown here
There's also the high pressure washer like they just used on Battleship New Jersey, i think its around 30,000 psi and it takes all the paint and rust off with just water.
I've done weeks of work with the twisted wire 'cup brush' wheels and they really work great. A wash down afterwards, then good quality primer gives amazing results - even years later. It looks to me, like the barge had several layers of 2-pack paint, which I suspect is hugely tougher than what is on the lighthouse currently I'd suggest you run a test on the lighthouse with a cup-brush wheel. The laser unit, will be:- fussy; delicate; affected by salt air; difficult to lift; will it even fit through the door (or need to sit outside?); needs a serious power supply - it's too many downsides in my book. I've worked with high-powered lasers in the past and you spent half the time just keeping the internal alignment correct, so it would give full output..
Except for the fact that all the other methods will leave tons of paint debris floating in the water, meaning you'd need to contain and decontaminate the entire area...which would be so overwhelmingly cost prohibitive that they'd never be able to do it. If contamination wasn't a problem they'd be using the sand blaster, no question. Furthermore, those cup brushes still won't be getting into the deep pitting like a laser or sand blaster would, you'd still have to use something else for it. Were you not paying attention to the video at all?
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper If the over-riding requiremnet is 'no debris put in the environment', then there is only one method (the laser) that will do that. If so, why run a comparison of many methods, if you can only use one anyway? I have plenty of experience in marine, LASERs, and metal restoration, and can foresee issues with that combination, that you, without my experience, probably can't see.
@@RangieNZ Gosh if you can see all of these problems ahead of me, then you should've been able to see the video like I did. That would've explained the entire purpose of the comparison, but it appears that you just wanted to run straight to the comments and talk about how awesome you are for doing manual labor.
The welder-guy at the end used a cup-brush wheel. we all saw the results.
@@RogerSmith-h3i The results shown from the cup brush, were actually perfect for the results needed. As stated above, the paint on the barge, is very different to the paint on the light house. Also as stated, a wash down after the cup brush and apply good quality primer will give perfect results. I have literally done this task before and the results are still perfect many years later - you don't have to get down to shiny metal everywhere for paint to stick.
Best Outtakes i've seen in a while xD
Now clean that bad boy xD
Seriously who talks like that? 😂
Advantages. We got em.
@@thelighthousecenters Pimp My Ride and every subsequent YT car channel since, and I think they should all be sued for violating cringe laws.
Love the vid!! Highly educational and hilarious blooper reel despite how different the advantages are.
Woohoo, new vid!
Light ,houses, metal cleaning and Buckeye's is this mans passions.
I would be happy to have this on my tombstone when I die 😂
There is a tool called a Tercoo disk, that attaches to a handdrill or to an angle grinder. It is a rubber disk with several tungsten tips, it is pretty efficient and leaves a good finish half way between sandblast and needle scaler. The concept is pretty similar to the "paint eater" except that it works great because the tips are tungsten.
The company also has a device to attach 8 disks for big surfaces with a nozzle for a vaccum cleaner to avoid contaminating the area. Probably less fun than the lazer but a way cheaper alternative.
love your guys content, very cool of you guys to restore parts of history but it’s even cooler when you document it for others to see.
5:30 The cameraman definitely understood the assignment here. Keep rolling, don't laugh, don't help, just watch the comedy unfold. Well done 😃
Haha Thomas is a true professional 😁
This light house is in sea or it is on the ground?
I could watch these videos all day long. This is so interesting!
You used a cheap Harbor Freight quality POS needle scaler. A better quality heavy duty Ingersol Rand (still only $100 or so) or similar unit would give you a better representation of capability. The navy uses the heck out of these, we use one for the pre clean on heavily corroded items before finishing in the sandblast cabinet, saves tons of time and media.
I found this channel today and had to sub, i can't stop watching
Thanks!
Shipyards sometimes use high pressure water for cleaning and prepping hulls for cleaning, should be a good alternative.
That would be awesome if we could bring the lighthouse in to a shipyard to get it done! Unfortunately it’s permanently installed 3.5 miles from shore and that makes a lot of things that people do in shipyards extremely difficult to do out there.
@@thelighthousecenters Oof! 😏
What if: bring portable high pressure water to lighthouse??
the editing of this video is amazing! love it
Thanks! But because you complimented the editing I have to buy Thomas a Starbucks 😠
The nice thing about the laser clean is that most of them can also weld. So you could repair some of the metal on the lighthouse or improve the lift to get big machinery up there.
Awesome to see you guys restoring the old lighthouse. I always think its kind of ironic/funny to hear about the environmental concerns -> the water would erode it all away to nothing over time anyway... into the water, sand getting into the Bay and beaches... can't have sand going there... , and so on... seems silly.
This video gives a very good technical overview about the several techniques for this usecase. Thank you!
ooooo that needle gun brings nightmares back from my Navy days.
😀 Thank you for your service!
I have done more than a little sandblasting myself. It is very effective, but also very nasty, hot and hard work. I have also tired wire wheels, sanding, and grinding. From what I have seen and read about the laser machines I would say that is the best method to use as well. I would love to try using a laser paint remover some time.
Really digging the animations!
Thanks for mentioning the editing. Thomas just earned another Starbucks! And if he shares it with me I will get wired again 😂
I LOVE your project. Incredible, and such an interesting, fun and engaging video. I love this.
Thank you friend!
That was interesting.
Sand blasting is awesome.
Cheers pal
Thank you friend. Cheers!🍻
Please continue your documentary. Is fascinating.
First time on your channel, congrats to the editor, he made this bad boy into a pretty awesome and fun episode XD
He edited the eff outta this bad Larry! And every time someone mentions editing we buy him a Starbucks so he’s gonna be hopped up on caffeine while editing the next one 😁
Well that was very interesting. The laser IS the best choice for the job. Everything else is just too slow and meant for small jobs (except Sandblasting). Fun video, thanks. Good luck guys.
I agree. Thanks Mike!
In all fairness to the "paint eater", it's made for automotive work. What you call "paint" in your business is thicker and tougher than the entire body work of a road vehicle. Probably even a construction machine.
It usually a colored epoxy that goes on marine stuff
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Thank you supporting our mission! 🙏
been waiting forever for this please hurry im tired of waiting
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I love seeing people on TH-cam wearing PPE. Also really amazing work! Looking forward to watching the backlog!
While I would agree that the laser equipment is ideal for a job of this scale and worksite environment, I'd recommend taking a few braided wire wheel grinders out there as a redundant backup. Moreover, I'd recommend researching 19th-19th century cleaning methods as well as operations and maintenance (O&M) for lighthouses. I also wouldn't limit your search of this subject to the U.S.; Rather, I recommend extending your search to all European and Nordic countries.
This was insanely entertaining!! 🤔😄
We watching from Morocco. Good luck.
Wow that’s a new one! Thank you! ❤️
The longer i live, the more a isolated place, like a lighthouse in the middle of a bay, sounds like a perfect home. What a huge project though!
Can’t wait to see that bad boy all cleaned up.
Then it will be a good boy!
i've just watched your video how to remove rust-paint very entertaining and a brilliant process keep going can't wait to see the next episode 10/10.
Laser and sandblaster are the two best for sure. Laser is slower but doesn’t contaminate.
Well, it DOES contaminate... the air, not the water, but is it so much better?
The correct way would be, to have a catch canvas around the perimeter and sand blast it. You would catch most of the dirt. Sure, only doable with a large boat.
But burning paint without filtering the fumes, is not ideal.
@@danielw.556I concur.
@@danielw.556So best is to allow the lighthouse to keep rusting and shed the paint in flakes…
Finally, someone who's not afraid of lasers! It seems to me that people around boats and water don't like laser for rust removal and are afraid of it.
Loved this video 😂
Nicely done!
Thank you friend!
SO MANY great words in the title of this video...
I think for such a large job I would consider making some kind of super simple track/cnc thing so that the laser or whatever could run automatic and then be moved along.
Yes! We are working on that since there are a lot of flat surfaces. Also we will contain paint and fumes with a collector. We forgot to mention that.
@@thelighthousecenters Oh good, lots of commentors were worried about the incredibly toxic nature of the fumes. 👍
Awesome demonstration guys, cant wait to learn more...👌
Keep following TLC to learn how to restore lighthouses and impress your friends with outdated cool slang terminology! 👌
Still killing it with the editing Thomas! The grindr icon for the grinder 💀
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Super interesting! Also, I love how the editing keeps getting better and better on these videos :)
Goodluck with that Bad boy!👍😄
And so It begins 😫 Thanks Thomas! 😂
I always thought it would be. Cool to live in a light house!!
Considered any kind of chemical cleaning agents? Keeping waste contained would be a challenge, no doubt, but given the amount of surface you're working on I would look into it. I don't know what's available or anything, but maybe you already looked into it?
Interesting comparison. If the laser can actually SURVIVE treating that much heavily scaled surface area,, that will serve as a stellar endorsement for the product
Different advantages and different advantages of this Bad Larry, indeed!
Very cool. Does the lighthouse have a sacrificial anode or will there be any way to prevent/inhibit once this mammoth task is completed?
Hahah you made my day with this comment! We will look into the effectiveness of a sacrificial anode for the caisson application. Yes, the task is indeed mammoth 🐘 Thanks!
you guys got a good editor. makes the videos so easy to watch
What about something like Dry Ice blasting?
Dry ice blasting is for cleaning not rust removal. Also needs a very large air compressor
Really am enjoying this. Neat to learn about this and enjoy the editing as well..
One of the advantages of the laser that you may not have thought to mention is that with a bit of adjustment you can remove paint from wood!
but only with dedicated cleaning laser, not a 3in1 2000w laser like this used here. i have a similar laser, it heats metal quickly, wood surface is left burned even on small 300w power settting. but you can weld or cut with it also.
@@vetrieska11 That's really good to know!
You need a pulse laser for that. This CW laser will smoke wood fast.
Looks like some combination would be best, maybe a bunch of people with grinders with those braided wire brushes and someone to follow-up with the laser to get the paint and crap out of the pores. Excited to see how y'all end up doing this under such extreme circumstances!
Welcome back
Thank you! It took us a while to edit this one and Thomas had to take some time off to go on tour with a band he works with. We have a lot more content coming!
I’m hooked! We need more.
the first thing you need to know is that the needle gun is just a pneumatic version of a chipping hammer. its for taking away old paint, not for surface prep for painting.
I did it one summer when young. Chipped ship bilges. Loud, filthy Yeti satisfying,
@@Givulinovich Yetis visit the sea? I thought they were contained to the Nepalese mountains.
Part of my job is sandblasting im always curious of how the laser would fare vs sandblasting so this video is right up my alley 😂
😂😂😂it’s so funny hearing “we cannot have all the dust and paint chips all over the bay” and then the image cuts to his yard with a forest behind, and he’s chipping and dusting and grinding all over the place, like if it was different from doing it at the bay.😂😂😂
There are multiple reasons why they can't do that in the bay.
#1- No permission.
#2- Marine life could be hurt or inconvenienced.
#3- The particulate and other debris can't be collected from the bottom of the day.
#4- Inconvenience. It's a youtube video. Work efficiency would be lost with having to film.
#5- Time-consuming. Again, it's a youtube video.
@@spankyjeffro5320 clearly you don’t understand irony👍🏻😂😂
lol I thought the exact same thing haha. It was even more ironic considering the bit about environment where the climate girl popped up (forgot her name and I'm too lazy to look it up)
After seeing each one, Laser would be the best one..... can't wait to see what it does...
Yes, getting sand into the ocean would be an egregious environmental disaster! Just imagine the outcry if it washed up on the beach!
The sand itself is not the problem. The paint and metal residues are.
@@Newmeishuwhat happened to all that paint that used to be on the lighthouse before? 😅
@Newmeishu They have sunk entire ships and oil rigs to make artifical reefs, the paint and metal from cleaning such a small object just doesn't seem as big of a concern in comparison
@MrTarfu they actually clean the ships and barges before they sink them. One light house might not be a problem, however imagine if everyone didn't follow environmental protection protocol. I know China and India don't care about taking care of the environment
LMAO
Really clever ad campaign for your sandblasting business!
There is a channel on YT "battleship new jersey" they just did a full repaint of the hull and they used something else to strip the paint - have you considered that?
You also say that you don't want anything to end up in the bay.
Laser without that vacuum and filtering produces a lot of very fine particles and it burns paint - not great.
Sandblasting - sand or walnut shells are pretty much neutral to the environment?
Rust should not be a problem.
Do you have any guidance from the local authorities about what you can and can not do on this project?
I think they used high pressure water, but really high pressure. It still has the issue of the paint ending up in the bay, but could still work really well.
For the cost of the barge, full scaffolding and air-tight ventilated tenting, they could just build a couple more light houses.
This could have been an advertisement for Blastco. This is a man who knows his business.
My vote is on the laser. It is the only method that does not add to the pollution.
The rust and paint has to come of, and will (partly) get in the environment. But the laser will not add sand/nylon/steel to that
Yes let's keep sand out of the bay.
The Lazer cleaner is one of those things that look fun until your at it for 3 billion hours. I do appreciate what you guys do holding onto our history
The creepy Greta was a jump scare. lol
I know right? She REALLY shouldn’t be up there
@@thelighthousecenters I'm just glad I wasn't eating while I was watching that.
How DARE you!? 😆
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Osfo - a 40% phosphoric acid solution applied by brush works well. You need serious PPE and good ventilation. Try an amount on your barge !
I think it would quickly get washed of at high tide or possibly pollute the nearby ocean?
Looking at that whole beautiful old lighthouse and that 4 inch spread on that laser I just feel for you guys. Its like my old ass looking at the stairs I need to replace the balusters on in such a smaller scale and still think its gonna take years LOL. Good luck guys and keep up the great work.
Appears you are biased against sand blasting, favoring newfangled laser. Regardless of method employed, dust collection imperative.
I propose the fabrication of a modular, transparent, plastic covered aluminum frame containment enclosure. The enclosure is hung and positioned over the side of the caisson and resting against the caisson supported with rollers to facilitate horizontal repositioning.
Enclosure is supported by water filled ballast container of sufficient size and weight to support enclosure, operator and related equipment. The ballast container is positioned on walkway and supported by 4 weight rated swiveling casters allowing horizontal repositioning along top of caisson walkway as surface preparation progresses.
Interior of enclosure is equipped with a platform accommodating a seated operator and configured to allow for operator vertical platform repositioning independent of enclosure as surface preparation progresses.
Attached to enclosure is flexible dust collection ducting routed and connected to support vessel dust collection apparatus. Sand blasting (The superior method) equipment is located on support vessel. Containment enclosure is equipped with safety flotation devices. For example, readily available, inexpensive, large, closed-cell foam filled plastic drums.
Suggest making mock up with cardboard, wood and hot melt glue gun.
You are welcome.
Man when that video comes out it's gonna be soooo good.
The laser is cool, but the debris does not disappear. It goes up in smoke, which contains the elements of the paint (maybe lead)and rust. The smoke then settles onto the bay unless it is sucked up and filtered. There is no perfect solution. Good luck and best wishes for success in the restoration efforts.
Good point. Because the laser does not use air pressure the vapors are easy to contain with plastic containment and a vacuum at the blasting point. We should have mentioned that we will be doing that at the lighthouse and showing it in future videos. That’s one of the major advantages of a laser and why sandblasting is too hard. Thanks for the comment and support!
I'd say the paint eater is meant for a different job. It's meant for thin sheet metal with thin coatings and minimal rust, while doing its best to leave the metal alone since there's not much to begin with. A bead blaster would sure strip the paint off, but would also warp the sheet metal in the process. That is an awesome comparison of methods though, it'd be cool to see each of the cleaning methods repainted to demonstrate how valuable proper paint prep is for long lasting coatings.
this is way funnier than it needs to be and very well produced
Thank you 😀 ❤️
Best vid yet! Can't wait to see the laser in action
Good day! The needle scaler may actually still be useful, although this thing is really very slow. On the caisson of the lighthouse, I saw not only protruding, but also deepened cracks and seams, and these are the easiest to clean with needle scaler if sandblasting was rejected by you from the very beginning.
Hi from Virginia. Thanks for doing good things for the Chesapeake! The laser was cool too of course.
Fun video. The Editor deserves a cold one great job
You mentioned editing… Another Starbucks for Thomas!
Another great video! Stinks you couldn’t make it down to the lighthouse with the sand blaster. Lazer is definitely a good alternative. I enjoy the bloopers at the end. “Different advantages” to “different advantages”. “I know how to film” “let’s clean this bad Larry” 😂
The lasers containment of waste made me chuckle, sure if vaporizing it and having it blown off by the wind is containment, sure.
Loved the detail @3:45 :)
Have you tried wet blasting? You could use the sea water and sand so it’s eco friendly.
Excited to see the laser being used!!
Glad to see you are going to get that bad boy cleaned!
Not as widely available, but there are commercial hull paint stripping robots made to remove paint above and below water.