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The racking sound is enough unless the person in your house smokes bath salt and the sound triggers them, but the 00 buck shot should work, however there's been people on pcp and bath salts that been shot like 60 times before dying
My agency had trouble with surface rest on our disused 870 express police shotguns. We found that by putting a very thin coating of frog live on the exposed metal surfaces prevented the rust issues. The frog lube sometimes required another coat about 6 months later.
You have to disassemble the light mount when you clean the gun. I have the magpul tactical express and have an m-lok light mount on the forend. Upgrades: Streamlight tlr-1, wilson combat extended spring, steel follower, mesa tactical six shot side saddle, wilson combat safety switch, upgraded dog carrier spring, magpul ms-4 gen 2 sling, magazine cap with qd mount, qd mount in stock. I run #4 buck. Less over penetration but still very effective.
First off, that beast is a beauty! I have a Mossberg 590 A1 myself and I have it set up for home defense as well. A couple of things though, You are right about the light being the first thing you need, however I think something more streamlined like the Inforce mounted to the slide might prove a bit less cumbersome. Also, I would forget the idea of a red dot. It is just something to go wrong waiting to go wrong; either you have to turn it on, or the battery is dead or something. I just kept the ghost rings on my M-berg. And if that gun is for home defense, it has no business in the safe. No bad guy is going to wait for you to open your safe, and while I'm at it, I don't know how good an idea it is to keep the chamber empty. I always keep my gun READY to go. True the sound of racking one in the chamber is a very intimidating sound, but I am afraid it just might let the bad guy know what direction to shoot in. like I said, that gun is a beauty and is far too sexy to be locked up in a safe somewhere.
You make some very valid points. Maybe I could cuddle up with it at night lol. But in all seriousness I should have it more readily available. Maybe a hidden compartment in my furniture
The TR25 will work, I have one I purchased for 25$ at a pawn shop 20 years ago, I have ran on everything from an airsoft gun to a 12 gauge. It is presently on an airsoft gun and it spent about 5 years on a ar pistol that I fired 1000's of rounds through. I have owned about 6 or 7 of these and they work great. If you leave them on you should change the battery every 3 months, if you only turn them on when you need it they will last about 3000 hours. I stopped using them about 2 years ago because I wanted the shake awake mode that comes on when you pick it up, otherwise they're exceptional sights. I will also note that that $25 sight has taken some abuse, dropped sight first on concrete from 4' off bench, gun lying on bed,6 year old jumped on bed, rifle did a triple gainer in the air and landed right on the sight on oak floor. As far as your rust problem, If you are serious about functionality, I shoot in rain, mist snow etc. I coat all my long guns with a coat of flat black rustoleum paint, then color them whatever pattern I choose. I have rifles that are holding up over 10 years with a few scratches in the patterns. I never have to wipe down the exterior of these firearms and get a lot of praise on the camo jobs as well. Tape off sights etc. trigger and ejection port to prevent entry into the system. Wipe the firearm down with a degreaser I have cerakoted firearms and they have scratches in the finish also after 5 or 6 years so the effect is the same and a lot cheaper. If you shy away from paint, as a Police firearms dealer I wiped my weapons down with wd40 on the exterior and never had rust issues when customers handled firearms and they were not wiped down afterward.
I have a hogue youth stock on my 870 tactical with a seven round side saddle. Two slugs/five 000 buck. The stock shortens it up for home defense but still usable all around. Surefire scout mounted on the pump fore end.
With my Remington 870 I absolutely love it I use it for deer hunting and duck hunting and it’s my home defense kept it loaded with the stock spring with a metal follower the spring got a little stiff and lost its I guess springiness one tip keep one less shell in the gun to keep that from happening
I’m thinking something like this will be my first gun. Primary objective would be home defense but I also want to be able to maximize its slug shooting ability without compromising too much on its close range capabilities. I’d think a 1-6 LPVO would be ideal if it can withstand the thump of the 12 gauge. Magnification to make shooting slugs further out easier while maintaining the 1x setting for quick target acquisition up close
Cool Rig. A Bushnell Red dot will hold up to the recoil. I have a TRS-32 on mine and it has held zero and held up to having slugs and buckshot ran through it. I did get a lower mount for it though.
704 tactical beat the shit out of this optic and it held zero, and a few people have it slapped on a 12 gauge and its holding zero for them, so im thinking thisis what im gonna grab. www.amazon.com/dp/B07BQ2K3ZS/ref=twister_B078ZSBHKJ?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
I actually just recorded the sound of your shotgun cycling on my phone and I'm just gonna play that if somebody breaks into my house. Thanks for saving me a couple hundo!
I hope this is a joke. Criminals arent very smart and if you do that, you can get yourself killed. Get a gun and just so you know itll never be the same sound if ypu really racked a shotgun
Dude, that is what I want my 870 magnum too look like, red dot sights, tan butt stock and hand grip with the extra ammo and flash lights but I want too add a magazine extention with a sling that holds shells threwout
I've been away from the scene for a while, but just FYI I've read some negative things about CLP. I just cleaned up my dad's old 60s Marlin 99 covered in mildew and light rust - ended up using steel wool and gun oil, worked amazing.
Anyone counting on a hardened criminal or meth freak being scared off by the sound of a shotgun racking is kidding themselves. Quit playing games and be ready for lethal action rather then giving away literally every tactical advantage that you have hoping you can "scare off" someone bent on doing you harm. A person coming into you home knowing there are presently occupants if there for you, your wife, and/or your children, not for your stuff. If you feel like making a scary sound is enough, that's your prerogative, but your family deserves better protection than that.
I can agree that it won't scare off a hardened criminal or tweaker, but the sound can also be used in case there isn;' a home invader and your wife/kids in the other room can be like YO IT'S ME. As you said theyre coming into a home with occupants they are there for you. The problem with having one in the chamber is if you cat knocks your shotgun off its axis the pin can fire a lethal rd into the back of your wifes head. Here's my two cents: Don't have you & the gun be the only line of defense. Your family deserves better protection than that. Have you ever watched home alone? Deter, Fortify, Alarm, Trap, Shotgun.
sheepdog88 I can't wait to get my 870, I would never be able to afford the magpul version or anything, but my local gun shop has a pretty good deal on them. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the gun?
You might mention briefly brass up or down in the side saddle and why, also mention how to remove pins for the mounting of the side saddle and using brass punches so as not to mar the finish. Good video.
6:18 - Studies conclude that the racking sound makes no difference to intruders. One DOJ study indicated assailants are more afraid of a big dog than the racking of a shotgun. The premise is that the home owner doesn't have the guts to pull the trigger in the heat of a situation. Your best home defense loading posture is to load one in the chamber, then open the bolt enough to make the shell visible, with the safety selector on "fire". If you have to engage, then you only have to push the slide forward (about) a half inch to fire. Just a training note, if you take a combat course, they'll tell you to load your side saddle with the shot shells "brass up", and the slugs "brass down". You'll be able to better determine your shells for a selective reload. I keep a Mossy 590A1 by the bed. It's a 7 shot mag, but I put an OPSol adapter in the bottom port and load it with 13+1 Aguila Mini Shells. I figure I shouldn't have to reload. *Nice scattergun.* Well put together.
On my side saddle I have birdshot double OO buck shot and one slug all the bird shot faces up meaning the brass is down the double OO buck faces the opposite way and the slug is to the far back and in the opposite fashion I keep it loaded like this that way I know exactly what rounds are which in a low light or dark situation I would be able to feel what it is that I would be reloading into my weapon. I bet that this guy has never really treated with this weapon system nor has he ran any drills in his home or scenarios. if you don't trade and you don't practice you'll never be good at anything especially in a defensive high pressure situation.
If they're upside down, vibration could knock them loose. Not likely but I would get used to top loading like this. There's videos on here how to quickly reload this way, just takes practice! As for some up and some down, I personally think it's best to have them all the same direction so you don't have to think.
Are you sure that's the Mfr Part: 25077, that you have linked in the description? Because that model isn't tactical and doesn't come with the rail or the ghost rings. On the other had, the Mfr Part: 81198 does have those features, for example. Just trying to understand which is which. Thanks!
Counting on the sound of racking a pump shotgun to scare bad guys away isn’t a great idea. If someone’s intent on doing you harm and has entered your house and you are using a pump shotgun to defend you and yours, the only noise should be you disengaging the safety. At the same time, I think people should do whatever they want and feel comfortable with. Have fun with that 12ga. I have a real love for older 870’s. I’d have 20 of them if I could.
If rackin a round is so scary, just make a recording and hit the play button when an intruder comes in. Or maybe you could put it on a loop and play it 24/7 outside the house. Lol
sheepdog88 just got the exact same Magpul set-up for my 870 Tactical it's in transit now wanted a SpeedFeed butstock for my shotgun but Amazon doesn't sell them anymore which is unfortunate
Thank you for the information. You’ve changed my thought process, I was thinking furniture first, but logic says illuminate. But did you tell us, where we could get the sling?
I have my 870 hanging from the front sling loop right over my bed. I keep the tube full and one in the chamber, but the slide half racked. Should the hook it's hanging from fail, or the shotgun fall for whatever reason the downward inertia would likely eject the round rather than chamber it. When I grab it to go (by the pump) it chambers the round when I remove it from the hook. Also I'd take that gun to hell if I had to go there, would want my AR-15 close too, but the 870 had never let me down once.
Mike I recommend leaving the tube with only like 4 or 5 shells loaded to keep the spring in good condition over long periods of time. It’s easy to top it off with only a few shells when you need it. Edit: assuming your shotgun is a six plus one
@@dinodna3746you can replace the tube spring with one from Wolff if that's an issue. I have a Mossberg and they are notorious for having weak tube springs. A Wolff spring solved that problem. I keep the tube fully loaded with an empty chamber aka Cruiser ready. No issues.
I have limited budget for a shotgun so I went for an Akkar shotgun with a bird head grip. I wanted to change the grip to a Magpul buttstock, only to find out the price is the same as the shotgun itself. Very expensive.
the racking of the round to scare the bad guys can be good . or bad.. if there are 3 or 4 bad guys that let's them know where to shoot AT THAT RACKING NOISE . but i do see a good thing in racking the gun as it allows for the idiot to make a decision to leave or stay and fight... so in the legal sense thats good.. also most shotguns are not drop safe so if it's chambered a shotgun can discharge a round if dropped. so theres alot of different reasons NOT to keep a round chambered. in the Police dept it's called CRUISER READY when ur loaded but not chambered.
Shotgun In your safe in case someone breaks into your house. I guess you don’t want anyone to take your shotgun. Scenario: You’re sleeping. You wake up to a loud noise and hear someone in your home. You leap from your bed and run as fast as you can to your safe. Adrenaline at a level 10 you try to push in the combination as quick as you can. The key pad misses a number and denies access. Again you type the code fast and again the keypad misses a number. A third time you type the number slower and it works, as you open the safe door you are stuck by a fast moving tiny object in the back and pass on to another realm. Thank God you had a gun safely stored in the gun safe.
Agreed... most of these people that do these so-called reviews on TH-cam are just regurgitating stuff they've already heard from people like nutnfancy and scootch and all the others.. it's a bit of a joke. I'd like to see these guys under pressure and watch the mechanics of their so-called home defense weapons go right out the window.
It's not scary when you are prepared to die in a fire fight, not sure how many people want to go against a shotgun in close quarters. More so if you are unfamiliar with the home setup or environment.
Well then you don't seem to understand the psychology of most home intruders. If they're carrying a weapon, 9 out of 10 times they're a burglar looking to steal and use that weapon to control their victims but as soon as they realize their victim has a gun, they're running out the house pissing themselves because now they've lost that advantage of control. Bottom line is, most criminals aren't looking to kill anyone but someone defending their home will have no qualms gunning down an intruder who has a weapon and the criminal knows this.
Are the New Production, 870, tactical worth it? OR would I be better off modifying my First 870 express(produced 1995-1997)?? Cost would likely be about the same but would I get better reliability using my mid 90’s receiver as a base to “Roll my Own” ??
Yeah I agree that was a stupid train of thought I had back when I made this video. Now I keep an ar15 for home defense and my shotgun doesnt leave the safe much
Only thing I'd change would be to change the dark earth to black. I don't know if this is a big deal but if I had a home invasion, the perp may be able to spot your stock in the dark. Don't know if this is true but me personally, I need all the help I can get with my luck.
You shouldn’t load the magazine full. The springs are not that strong and could take set, being unable to load the last one or two from the magazine. Load two in the mag and keep what’s on your side saddle. You need more than 8 rds? You are going to need more than a shotgun. Reliability for your primary tool is paramount!
VG overall, but I joined you stat upon hearing your "finish what I've got vs buy more new/ quantity " self-admonishment. I share a knowledge of and desire to follow similar path, yet I've not succeeded for several years; I definitely suffer from chronic & degenerative too much "stuff".syndrome.
He doesn't have a tac-14 that's just a regular 870 Tactical with a 20in barrel he has in this video. But if you wanted to put a buttstock on your tac-14 then yes you have to register it as an SBS first and pay the $200 tax stamp.
I'm not a fan of the breacher chokes. The theory behind them is to make it easier to hold the barrel against the end of a door before shooting a round through the lock and busting into the room. They have special ammo designed just for blowing through door locks. Regular slugs or buckshot don't properly break the lock. So unless you plan to breach locked doors with a team of people and have the special breaching ammo, it's just a gimmick. Adds weight and length to the end of your gun without actually doing anything useful. Not to mention it just looks stupid.
sheepdog88 That's true. General Mattis himself once said guns that look cool gain an additional 100 yards of effective range and better armor penetration over their mechanically-equivalent non-cool-looking counterparts. Clearly I need to get a pinup girl ceracoated onto all my rifles.
how is the functionality of the gun? people say they have a 1000 rounds and no issues. then there's people that say they get at about 30 rounds and always get a jam
I bought mine plain Jane used. I have put about 500 shells through it since I have owned it with only 1 issue that was my fault. I short stroked it when using the action. besides that it has been flawless.
I have had an 870 for 19 years the only problems I have had where a broken extractor, I have never had a failure to fire. I duck hunt with it and don’t clean it at all until the end of the season and it works great.
U Should've Went With The STREAM LIGHT TR-RACKER Foregrip 1000 Lumen Light/Pump Combo, Then Put A 6 Shot Velcro Shot Card On The Side, Also Look Into The TACTALOAD FLASH-5 Stock, It Hold's 5 Extra Shell's In The Butt Stock (Slugs Maybe ?)...
the surface rust issue sucks and Remington has a bad reputation for lowering their quality control.. the rust is a bad bad thing. they need to offer all 870 owners a free upgrade on the finish.
@@redd251 initially you criticize how long it would take him to get his shotgun ready for home defense, then later state if you had kids you'd keep a trigger lock on or keep your gun in a safe. how much longer is that gonna take to get to? hopefully that cranked-up felon is kind enough to give someone time enough to retrieve their weapon.
It you have to breach a door and shoot the lock you jam the teeth into the door and thr venting prevents your muzzle from exploding. But in all honestly its just looks cool!
1. It’s a very nice rig. 2. The intruder gave you no notice, don’t give him any by racking the action. If they make it into the inner perimeter, THEY ARE FU%#*&G DEAD!!! PERIOD!!!! 3. Having said that, 3 maybe 4 rounds should be plenty. 4. Are you defending the inside of your house, or making a tactical assault on a Mexican Meth Lab with 50 bandidos inside?
Beautiful setup but racking a round after someone has entered your home is just stupid. You lose surprise and concealment. Also using a 00buck for home defense is just pointless. It will over penetrate and can cause other issues. Using a 4 buck is a much better home defense round.
OO buck shot is not what you would be using for home defense. Birdshot is more than adequate to get the job done. In my side saddle I have birdshot double OO buck shot and one slug all the bird shot faces up meaning the brass is down the double OO buck faces the opposite way and the slug is to the far back and in the opposite fashion I keep it loaded like this that way I know exactly what rounds are which in a low light or dark situation I would be able to feel what it is that I would be reloading into my weapon. I bet that this guy has never really treated with this weapon system nor has he ran any drills in his home or scenarios. if you don't train and you don't practice you'll never be good at anything especially in a defensive high pressure situation.
You didn’t need to tell me it sits in your safe and you never practice with it. That was quite evident by the way you fumbled with the light during your tactical show & tell.
I agree, that sound is super intimidating but you’re also giving away your position to a possibly armed intruder. Also you now have one less round than you could if you kept one chambered. Great gun though.
The last thing you want is a multi function flashlight on a defensive gun. You need to be able to turn on and off and then move. Not turn on flip through 30 bullshit clicks to turn it off. That's how you get killed. And racking a shotgun only scares away your mom. A real criminal would just take that as indication to take their own gun out and now they know where you are. Stupid advise.
I don't want anyone to hear my slide, I don't even want them to hear my safety click. I don't want them to hear anything except the devil calling them home.
I have to disagree with the empty chamber for home defence for two reasons. First off, you're shorting yourself one round. Second, the sound of the action will probably scare most intruders off. Unfortunately, it may also tell them what direction to start shooting. If someone is in my house without permission, I'm shooting them. I'm not racking a slide, telling them to get out or trying to detain them. I'm just going to assume the worst and start shooting.
First off, if you rack a round to warn someone, at that point, you just gave a possible indication for the intruder to hide and give him a better opportunity to disarm you, a total Mr. Murphy move, you better keep a round chambered, and outa battery with slide at least a couple inches outa battery to show readiness without compromising yourself
Shotguns are not drop safe. If you knock it over with a round in the chamber it could go off. If you want to keep a round chambered in a firearm get something that is drop safe.
@@sniperforce34 I own plenty plenty of them, but people like you are the ones that are always shooting themselves in the foot. Literally. When you knock them over trying to get them out of your closet. You'd be better off sticking with a Glock since you're so clumsy. At least they have drop safeties built in
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY 1st off, I've had loaded firearms since I was a teen and was taught and trained by some of the most experienced people/Instructors, so if your to scared to have a loaded weapon, that shows 100$ incompetence in having a loaded weapon, your words of action speaks it clearly, so as I said, you better just lock up your firearms, or just go to a scheduled buy back program and get rid of them, I mean I wouldn't want you to shoot urself because your afraid to have a loaded weapon around ur place or on ur hip, if you had children that'd be a different story, but then I'd hate to see you have offspring, maybe they'd be sharp as tacks, cause they say arts skip a generation
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The racking sound is enough unless the person in your house smokes bath salt and the sound triggers them, but the 00 buck shot should work, however there's been people on pcp and bath salts that been shot like 60 times before dying
People zooted out on drugs do not care about the slide sound. Some just have to feel the music.
My agency had trouble with surface rest on our disused 870 express police shotguns. We found that by putting a very thin coating of frog live on the exposed metal surfaces prevented the rust issues. The frog lube sometimes required another coat about 6 months later.
You have to disassemble the light mount when you clean the gun. I have the magpul tactical express and have an m-lok light mount on the forend. Upgrades: Streamlight tlr-1, wilson combat extended spring, steel follower, mesa tactical six shot side saddle, wilson combat safety switch, upgraded dog carrier spring, magpul ms-4 gen 2 sling, magazine cap with qd mount, qd mount in stock. I run #4 buck. Less over penetration but still very effective.
First off, that beast is a beauty! I have a Mossberg 590 A1 myself and I have it set up for home defense as well. A couple of things though, You are right about the light being the first thing you need, however I think something more streamlined like the Inforce mounted to the slide might prove a bit less cumbersome. Also, I would forget the idea of a red dot. It is just something to go wrong waiting to go wrong; either you have to turn it on, or the battery is dead or something. I just kept the ghost rings on my M-berg. And if that gun is for home defense, it has no business in the safe. No bad guy is going to wait for you to open your safe, and while I'm at it, I don't know how good an idea it is to keep the chamber empty. I always keep my gun READY to go. True the sound of racking one in the chamber is a very intimidating sound, but I am afraid it just might let the bad guy know what direction to shoot in. like I said, that gun is a beauty and is far too sexy to be locked up in a safe somewhere.
You make some very valid points. Maybe I could cuddle up with it at night lol. But in all seriousness I should have it more readily available. Maybe a hidden compartment in my furniture
The TR25 will work, I have one I purchased for 25$ at a pawn shop 20 years ago, I have ran on everything from an airsoft gun to a 12 gauge. It is presently on an airsoft gun and it spent about 5 years on a ar pistol that I fired 1000's of rounds through. I have owned about 6 or 7 of these and they work great. If you leave them on you should change the battery every 3 months, if you only turn them on when you need it they will last about 3000 hours. I stopped using them about 2 years ago because I wanted the shake awake mode that comes on when you pick it up, otherwise they're exceptional sights. I will also note that that $25 sight has taken some abuse, dropped sight first on concrete from 4' off bench, gun lying on bed,6 year old jumped on bed, rifle did a triple gainer in the air and landed right on the sight on oak floor. As far as your rust problem, If you are serious about functionality, I shoot in rain, mist snow etc. I coat all my long guns with a coat of flat black rustoleum paint, then color them whatever pattern I choose. I have rifles that are holding up over 10 years with a few scratches in the patterns. I never have to wipe down the exterior of these firearms and get a lot of praise on the camo jobs as well. Tape off sights etc. trigger and ejection port to prevent entry into the system. Wipe the firearm down with a degreaser I have cerakoted firearms and they have scratches in the finish also after 5 or 6 years so the effect is the same and a lot cheaper. If you shy away from paint, as a Police firearms dealer I wiped my weapons down with wd40 on the exterior and never had rust issues when customers handled firearms and they were not wiped down afterward.
Dont ever rely on racking the slide. Thats a great way to get yourself deeper in trouble
I have a hogue youth stock on my 870 tactical with a seven round side saddle. Two slugs/five 000 buck. The stock shortens it up for home defense but still usable all around. Surefire scout mounted on the pump fore end.
Wow bro what a beautiful set up! I want this as my first pump shotgun!!
Great setup and excellent video, years later. Thanxx
That FDE furniture really looks great! Thanks for posting this video because that is a super nice set up you have, and I intend on copying most of it.
With my Remington 870 I absolutely love it I use it for deer hunting and duck hunting and it’s my home defense kept it loaded with the stock spring with a metal follower the spring got a little stiff and lost its I guess springiness one tip keep one less shell in the gun to keep that from happening
Keep it loaded does not wear out the spring. It's the constant loading and unloading that wears them out
Excellent mods...you have good taste. My favorite was the flashlight mount. Which cost more than my flashlight but i want it
I have the same one. 100% worth it!
I’m thinking something like this will be my first gun. Primary objective would be home defense but I also want to be able to maximize its slug shooting ability without compromising too much on its close range capabilities. I’d think a 1-6 LPVO would be ideal if it can withstand the thump of the 12 gauge. Magnification to make shooting slugs further out easier while maintaining the 1x setting for quick target acquisition up close
Cool Rig. A Bushnell Red dot will hold up to the recoil. I have a TRS-32 on mine and it has held zero and held up to having slugs and buckshot ran through it. I did get a lower mount for it though.
704 tactical beat the shit out of this optic and it held zero, and a few people have it slapped on a 12 gauge and its holding zero for them, so im thinking thisis what im gonna grab.
www.amazon.com/dp/B07BQ2K3ZS/ref=twister_B078ZSBHKJ?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
Nice setup and Intro, Im in the process of upgrading my 870 with a pistol grip stock and more.
As the Magpul single point sling attachment and the Magpul sling. I love mine.
I actually just recorded the sound of your shotgun cycling on my phone and I'm just gonna play that if somebody breaks into my house. Thanks for saving me a couple hundo!
Lol
Logic Bob more like 500/hundo..
I hope this is a joke. Criminals arent very smart and if you do that, you can get yourself killed. Get a gun and just so you know itll never be the same sound if ypu really racked a shotgun
Logic Bob kind of defies your name... Thats a horrible idea lol.
How long does it take to get out of your safe once you hear the glass breaking?
First mod, get a 870 Police by doing so you’ll go up two levels in quality. Actually, get a pre-2005 police model.
Old wingmasters are good too
@@dccajc1 unless it isn’t a 3” model. A bit limiting especially during an ammo shortage.
With all do respect, fuck racking a round for them to hear it. I don't want them knowing I'm up and aware someone is in my house.
"SHCK SHCK!" hey bad guys i am over here! shoot this way! :)
Kinda tru but why would u keep a loaded shotgun with a shell in the pipe? If it drops it might go off cuz there is no drop safety
Christmas Gummyworm yep dont ever use the flashlight and do not rack a round in the chamber use the darkness and surprize to give you the advantage.
SPARTAN300 you need to see who it is before u pull that trigger. So no. U need a flashlight. It could just be a family member coming in late.
Dude, that is what I want my 870 magnum too look like, red dot sights, tan butt stock and hand grip with the extra ammo and flash lights but I want too add a magazine extention with a sling that holds shells threwout
I've been away from the scene for a while, but just FYI I've read some negative things about CLP. I just cleaned up my dad's old 60s Marlin 99 covered in mildew and light rust - ended up using steel wool and gun oil, worked amazing.
Been using it on all my guns for years and have no issues
Anyone counting on a hardened criminal or meth freak being scared off by the sound of a shotgun racking is kidding themselves. Quit playing games and be ready for lethal action rather then giving away literally every tactical advantage that you have hoping you can "scare off" someone bent on doing you harm.
A person coming into you home knowing there are presently occupants if there for you, your wife, and/or your children, not for your stuff. If you feel like making a scary sound is enough, that's your prerogative, but your family deserves better protection than that.
I can agree that it won't scare off a hardened criminal or tweaker, but the sound can also be used in case there isn;' a home invader and your wife/kids in the other room can be like YO IT'S ME. As you said theyre coming into a home with occupants they are there for you. The problem with having one in the chamber is if you cat knocks your shotgun off its axis the pin can fire a lethal rd into the back of your wifes head.
Here's my two cents: Don't have you & the gun be the only line of defense. Your family deserves better protection than that. Have you ever watched home alone? Deter, Fortify, Alarm, Trap, Shotgun.
Jesus...what a beauty.
thank you!
sheepdog88 I can't wait to get my 870, I would never be able to afford the magpul version or anything, but my local gun shop has a pretty good deal on them. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the gun?
I paid 400 used for the gun but it wasn't the Magpul cerokote model. I added all of the furniture and accessories myself
sheepdog88 ok awesome, that's around the price my local shop is selling it for. You did an amazing job on this 870, thanks for your help!
As far as surface rust goes, always wipe your guns with oil after touching them, and you’re never have a problem.
You might mention briefly brass up or down in the side saddle and why, also mention how to remove pins for the mounting of the side saddle and using brass punches so as not to mar the finish. Good video.
6:18 - Studies conclude that the racking sound makes no difference to intruders. One DOJ study indicated assailants are more afraid of a big dog than the racking of a shotgun. The premise is that the home owner doesn't have the guts to pull the trigger in the heat of a situation. Your best home defense loading posture is to load one in the chamber, then open the bolt enough to make the shell visible, with the safety selector on "fire". If you have to engage, then you only have to push the slide forward (about) a half inch to fire.
Just a training note, if you take a combat course, they'll tell you to load your side saddle with the shot shells "brass up", and the slugs "brass down". You'll be able to better determine your shells for a selective reload.
I keep a Mossy 590A1 by the bed. It's a 7 shot mag, but I put an OPSol adapter in the bottom port and load it with 13+1 Aguila Mini Shells. I figure I shouldn't have to reload. *Nice scattergun.* Well put together.
you need to put the shells on the side saddle in the other way, upside down.
On my side saddle I have birdshot double OO buck shot and one slug all the bird shot faces up meaning the brass is down the double OO buck faces the opposite way and the slug is to the far back and in the opposite fashion I keep it loaded like this that way I know exactly what rounds are which in a low light or dark situation I would be able to feel what it is that I would be reloading into my weapon. I bet that this guy has never really treated with this weapon system nor has he ran any drills in his home or scenarios. if you don't trade and you don't practice you'll never be good at anything especially in a defensive high pressure situation.
Check this one out: th-cam.com/video/imY0FT4ZtBc/w-d-xo.html
It all depends if you tac reload over the top or from underneath. Bird shot should never be used as a self defense load.
If they're upside down, vibration could knock them loose. Not likely but I would get used to top loading like this. There's videos on here how to quickly reload this way, just takes practice! As for some up and some down, I personally think it's best to have them all the same direction so you don't have to think.
That is probably hands down the best stock ever, I bought one at gander mountain when they were liquidating for $70.
you lucky SoB haha you got a hell of a deal on it. but i agree, you can shoots slugs with that stock all day.
I can’t stand magpul stocks or forends. They feel some damn cheap and flimsy for the money they charge
Are you sure that's the Mfr Part: 25077, that you have linked in the description? Because that model isn't tactical and doesn't come with the rail or the ghost rings. On the other had, the Mfr Part: 81198 does have those features, for example. Just trying to understand which is which. Thanks!
Counting on the sound of racking a pump shotgun to scare bad guys away isn’t a great idea. If someone’s intent on doing you harm and has entered your house and you are using a pump shotgun to defend you and yours, the only noise should be you disengaging the safety. At the same time, I think people should do whatever they want and feel comfortable with. Have fun with that 12ga. I have a real love for older 870’s. I’d have 20 of them if I could.
If rackin a round is so scary, just make a recording and hit the play button when an intruder comes in. Or maybe you could put it on a loop and play it 24/7 outside the house. Lol
walter Rushby how about the door bell.
That sound can be had as a sms-sound
Your shotgun's the boss!
It my favorite gun that I never shoot lol
Highly recommend a light that mounts on the pump forehand grip. Easy to turn the light on and off when reloading or moving.
Nice setup. Waiting on some parts for mine. Not quite the same but similar type of upgrades. I subbed up.
thank you!
Super informative Great video !!! Thank you
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sheepdog88 just got the exact same Magpul set-up for my 870 Tactical it's in transit now wanted a SpeedFeed butstock for my shotgun but Amazon doesn't sell them anymore which is unfortunate
Thank you for the information. You’ve changed my thought process, I was thinking furniture first, but logic says illuminate. But did you tell us, where we could get the sling?
Sweet 870 !!!
Best place for the light. 👍 No added weight to the slide. I hate that.
Reloads are upside down. Brass end goes next to loading port.
Love this weapon!
Very well presented and articulated!!!
Thank you!
I have my 870 hanging from the front sling loop right over my bed. I keep the tube full and one in the chamber, but the slide half racked. Should the hook it's hanging from fail, or the shotgun fall for whatever reason the downward inertia would likely eject the round rather than chamber it. When I grab it to go (by the pump) it chambers the round when I remove it from the hook. Also I'd take that gun to hell if I had to go there, would want my AR-15 close too, but the 870 had never let me down once.
Mike I recommend leaving the tube with only like 4 or 5 shells loaded to keep the spring in good condition over long periods of time. It’s easy to top it off with only a few shells when you need it. Edit: assuming your shotgun is a six plus one
@@dinodna3746 springs get worn out by constant compression and return. They will not wear out by just being compressed.
@@dinodna3746you can replace the tube spring with one from Wolff if that's an issue. I have a Mossberg and they are notorious for having weak tube springs. A Wolff spring solved that problem. I keep the tube fully loaded with an empty chamber aka Cruiser ready. No issues.
Did you find that you had to shorten the new Spring for the Tube Extension to get 7 in the Tube? The Spring is Crazy Long.
Never depend on the sound of a rack
“It’s pretty tactical right now, so”
Right? Had myself a bit of a chuckle.
Nice video. Think about getting yourself a non-mim extractor.
ill check it out
Sprinkles Ref good advice.
I have limited budget for a shotgun so I went for an Akkar shotgun with a bird head grip. I wanted to change the grip to a Magpul buttstock, only to find out the price is the same as the shotgun itself. Very expensive.
the racking of the round to scare the bad guys can be good . or bad.. if there are 3 or 4 bad guys that let's them know where to shoot AT THAT RACKING NOISE . but i do see a good thing in racking the gun as it allows for the idiot to make a decision to leave or stay and fight... so in the legal sense thats good.. also most shotguns are not drop safe so if it's chambered a shotgun can discharge a round if dropped. so theres alot of different reasons NOT to keep a round chambered. in the Police dept it's called CRUISER READY when ur loaded but not chambered.
you should only rack the slide after the first shot, if they want more than you give them more more
Shotgun In your safe in case someone breaks into your house. I guess you don’t want anyone to take your shotgun.
Scenario: You’re sleeping. You wake up to a loud noise and hear someone in your home. You leap from your bed and run as fast as you can to your safe. Adrenaline at a level 10 you try to push in the combination as quick as you can. The key pad misses a number and denies access. Again you type the code fast and again the keypad misses a number. A third time you type the number slower and it works, as you open the safe door you are stuck by a fast moving tiny object in the back and pass on to another realm.
Thank God you had a gun safely stored in the gun safe.
The sound of racking the 12G is not intimidating if your intruder has a weapon! Why does everyone say this? It is so dumb!
Agreed... most of these people that do these so-called reviews on TH-cam are just regurgitating stuff they've already heard from people like nutnfancy and scootch and all the others.. it's a bit of a joke. I'd like to see these guys under pressure and watch the mechanics of their so-called home defense weapons go right out the window.
It's not scary when you are prepared to die in a fire fight, not sure how many people want to go against a shotgun in close quarters. More so if you are unfamiliar with the home setup or environment.
Exactly why i have one in the chamber and 6 in the tube just point and shoot none of that rack garbage to alert your position anyway.
I keep mine in cruiser ready mode, which means an empty chamber, -1 in the mag. Racking may not scare them but the shell flying at them will.
Well then you don't seem to understand the psychology of most home intruders. If they're carrying a weapon, 9 out of 10 times they're a burglar looking to steal and use that weapon to control their victims but as soon as they realize their victim has a gun, they're running out the house pissing themselves because now they've lost that advantage of control. Bottom line is, most criminals aren't looking to kill anyone but someone defending their home will have no qualms gunning down an intruder who has a weapon and the criminal knows this.
“The gun racking will scare you away” why do people always say that. That’s the direction I am emptying my mag, if I’m the bad guy.
Are the New Production, 870, tactical worth it? OR would I be better off modifying my First 870 express(produced 1995-1997)?? Cost would likely be about the same but would I get better reliability using my mid 90’s receiver as a base to “Roll my Own” ??
I can get a Magpul edition 870 from cheaper than dirt for around 460 I believe
In my area the Magpul Edition 870 cost over 750 💰
Was interested until the rack and scare method
Yeah I agree that was a stupid train of thought I had back when I made this video. Now I keep an ar15 for home defense and my shotgun doesnt leave the safe much
I have an 870 tactical with a cheap factory finish too. Thinking about Durocoating it, have you considered that too?
Did you ever get that finish you wanted or a red dot?
Only thing I'd change would be to change the dark earth to black. I don't know if this is a big deal but if I had a home invasion, the perp may be able to spot your stock in the dark. Don't know if this is true but me personally, I need all the help I can get with my luck.
They’d probably spot of flashlight shining in their face before they spot the FDE stock
You shouldn’t load the magazine full. The springs are not that strong and could take set, being unable to load the last one or two from the magazine. Load two in the mag and keep what’s on your side saddle. You need more than 8 rds? You are going to need more than a shotgun. Reliability for your primary tool is paramount!
VG overall, but I joined you stat upon hearing your "finish what I've got vs buy more new/ quantity " self-admonishment.
I share a knowledge of and desire to follow similar path, yet I've not succeeded for several years; I definitely suffer from chronic & degenerative too much "stuff".syndrome.
looks like im about to do that again. could be getting a barrett 50 cal real soon lol
What Is The Light (Lumen) Output
Of That Light ???
Can’t you paint it with some camouflage paint?
get a bandolier to carry extra ammo you can carry it across your shoulder or around the waist if you are lucky to do so.
Anybody know where I need to look for mods that will fit a 20 gauge 870 clone?
Note: Plastic mag follow. replace it. I had one crack and the gun would cycle and I had disassemble it to unload it. I didn't think it is a problem.
keeping the gun in a safe for home defense seems like a bad idea.
I have changed my home defense strategy since this video. Its very close to my bed hidden.
After racking the shotgun, let them come!
I've never cared for the Magpul shotgun accessories. To me they feel weird and look hideous.
Great setup but your spare shells are the wrong side up..
I believe that stock turns your legal tac14 into a short barrel shotgun . Did you have to register it as an SBS? I'm curious.
He doesn't have a tac-14 that's just a regular 870 Tactical with a 20in barrel he has in this video. But if you wanted to put a buttstock on your tac-14 then yes you have to register it as an SBS first and pay the $200 tax stamp.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY suggested to* you don’t have to.
As u rack a new shell in, won't ur thumb hit the flashlight if it's a bit farther up
no it doesnt, that would only happen if i kept my thumb sticking out while shooting.
Ok cool
I'm not a fan of the breacher chokes. The theory behind them is to make it easier to hold the barrel against the end of a door before shooting a round through the lock and busting into the room. They have special ammo designed just for blowing through door locks. Regular slugs or buckshot don't properly break the lock. So unless you plan to breach locked doors with a team of people and have the special breaching ammo, it's just a gimmick. Adds weight and length to the end of your gun without actually doing anything useful. Not to mention it just looks stupid.
I think it looks cool and everyone knows that looking cool is the most important thing
sheepdog88
That's true. General Mattis himself once said guns that look cool gain an additional 100 yards of effective range and better armor penetration over their mechanically-equivalent non-cool-looking counterparts.
Clearly I need to get a pinup girl ceracoated onto all my rifles.
Thats a awesome idea. I think you have a great business opportunity with that idea. I would send you some of my guns to get that done.
Does any know what kind of case he has under his shotgun?
how is the functionality of the gun? people say they have a 1000 rounds and no issues. then there's people that say they get at about 30 rounds and always get a jam
I bought mine plain Jane used. I have put about 500 shells through it since I have owned it with only 1 issue that was my fault. I short stroked it when using the action. besides that it has been flawless.
I have had an 870 for 19 years the only problems I have had where a broken extractor, I have never had a failure to fire. I duck hunt with it and don’t clean it at all until the end of the season and it works great.
U Should've Went With The STREAM LIGHT TR-RACKER Foregrip 1000 Lumen Light/Pump Combo, Then Put A 6 Shot Velcro Shot Card On The Side, Also Look Into The TACTALOAD FLASH-5 Stock, It Hold's 5 Extra Shell's In The Butt Stock (Slugs Maybe ?)...
the surface rust issue sucks and Remington has a bad reputation for lowering their quality control.. the rust is a bad bad thing. they need to offer all 870 owners a free upgrade on the finish.
Bryan Calhoun I've had mine for twenty years and never an issue, dropped in lake, left in truck, etc. wonder when they went downhill
Mike Mitchell I heard they were bought by a new company
(Sorry for late reply brother)
A fella could slap some duracoat on it and it'll last quite a while.
Bryan Calhoun I have one of those, it actually has a nice brown/purple patina to it
Bryan Calhoun
Shooters Choice “Rust prevent”
Great stuff. I’ve been using it for years.
I just want to know where u bought the stock and the guard
You can buy directly from Magpul
rounds not sounds scare ppl away
Sounds can be very scary
You are correct...in horror movies it is really scary but in real life if your racking it you better be ready to use it that's all i'm saying.
you people need to stop telling people the sound of a pump is enough THAT IS FALSE
With movies and video games everyone knows the sound. Ppl breaking into your house you might just here that sound.
At 6:16 I knew I had wasted my time.
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Baltazar Trejo the old "sound of racking the shotgun" bull shit
He says in the video that he keeps the Rounds in the tube but chamber empty.......
The magazine tube is loaded but not one in the chamber
@@redd251 initially you criticize how long it would take him to get his shotgun ready for home defense, then later state if you had kids you'd keep a trigger lock on or keep your gun in a safe. how much longer is that gonna take to get to? hopefully that cranked-up felon is kind enough to give someone time enough to retrieve their weapon.
what's point of breach choke?
It you have to breach a door and shoot the lock you jam the teeth into the door and thr venting prevents your muzzle from exploding. But in all honestly its just looks cool!
Use That Sling as a Belt around the Waist.....you'll barely notice it.
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1. It’s a very nice rig.
2. The intruder gave you no notice, don’t give him any by racking the action. If they make it into the inner perimeter, THEY ARE FU%#*&G DEAD!!! PERIOD!!!!
3. Having said that, 3 maybe 4 rounds should be plenty.
4. Are you defending the inside of your house, or making a tactical assault on a Mexican Meth Lab with 50 bandidos inside?
Beautiful setup but racking a round after someone has entered your home is just stupid. You lose surprise and concealment. Also using a 00buck for home defense is just pointless. It will over penetrate and can cause other issues. Using a 4 buck is a much better home defense round.
thats the first time ive ever heard of 00 buck over penetrating...
That gun has not been fired much at all. Finish would be worn off on the boltt and slides if it had. But as long as it makes noise. lol
Is this the Tactitard model?
maybe.......
Anguinus Vir u
Lol, I feel attacked.
OO buck shot is not what you would be using for home defense. Birdshot is more than adequate to get the job done.
In my side saddle I have birdshot double OO buck shot and one slug all the bird shot faces up meaning the brass is down the double OO buck faces the opposite way and the slug is to the far back and in the opposite fashion I keep it loaded like this that way I know exactly what rounds are which in a low light or dark situation I would be able to feel what it is that I would be reloading into my weapon. I bet that this guy has never really treated with this weapon system nor has he ran any drills in his home or scenarios. if you don't train and you don't practice you'll never be good at anything especially in a defensive high pressure situation.
You didn’t need to tell me it sits in your safe and you never practice with it. That was quite evident by the way you fumbled with the light during your tactical show & tell.
Nutjobs don't run away when they hear the pump. If they are in your home, it is time for action in the U.S.
I agree, that sound is super intimidating but you’re also giving away your position to a possibly armed intruder. Also you now have one less round than you could if you kept one chambered. Great gun though.
if im chambering a round, im intending to use it, always being quiet haha
The last thing you want is a multi function flashlight on a defensive gun. You need to be able to turn on and off and then move. Not turn on flip through 30 bullshit clicks to turn it off. That's how you get killed. And racking a shotgun only scares away your mom. A real criminal would just take that as indication to take their own gun out and now they know where you are. Stupid advise.
Cerecoat is no better than good ole Rustoleum,in fact taking your time and painting it right Rustoleum is much better..
I don't want anyone to hear my slide, I don't even want them to hear my safety click. I don't want them to hear anything except the devil calling them home.
i have a motion detector at my front door that makes a shotgun rackin sound.....so i dont worry about intruders. 😆🤣😂
you're absolutely right, its not an ordinary 870, its a butt ugly 870.
I have to disagree with the empty chamber for home defence for two reasons. First off, you're shorting yourself one round. Second, the sound of the action will probably scare most intruders off. Unfortunately, it may also tell them what direction to start shooting. If someone is in my house without permission, I'm shooting them. I'm not racking a slide, telling them to get out or trying to detain them. I'm just going to assume the worst and start shooting.
First off, if you rack a round to warn someone, at that point, you just gave a possible indication for the intruder to hide and give him a better opportunity to disarm you, a total Mr. Murphy move, you better keep a round chambered, and outa battery with slide at least a couple inches outa battery to show readiness without compromising yourself
Shotguns are not drop safe. If you knock it over with a round in the chamber it could go off. If you want to keep a round chambered in a firearm get something that is drop safe.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY then its obvious that you shouldn't own one then
@@sniperforce34 I own plenty plenty of them, but people like you are the ones that are always shooting themselves in the foot. Literally. When you knock them over trying to get them out of your closet. You'd be better off sticking with a Glock since you're so clumsy. At least they have drop safeties built in
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY 1st off, I've had loaded firearms since I was a teen and was taught and trained by some of the most experienced people/Instructors, so if your to scared to have a loaded weapon, that shows 100$ incompetence in having a loaded weapon, your words of action speaks it clearly, so as I said, you better just lock up your firearms, or just go to a scheduled buy back program and get rid of them, I mean I wouldn't want you to shoot urself because your afraid to have a loaded weapon around ur place or on ur hip, if you had children that'd be a different story, but then I'd hate to see you have offspring, maybe they'd be sharp as tacks, cause they say arts skip a generation