Fixing Sticker Star | Paper Mario and the Sticker Comet
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Just a proof of concept of what Sticker Star could have been like if it was good.
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0:00 - Intro
3:09 - Story
5:42 - Chapter 1
7:20 - Chapter 2
9:33 - Chapter 3
11:34 - Chapter 4
13:37 - Chapter 5
17:04 - Kersti
21:28 - Birdo
23:33 - Kamek, Bowser Jr, and Kammy
31:10 - Peach
32:54 - Luigi
37:14 - Other Characters
42:56 - Chapter 6
47:46 - Non-linear Structure (Feat: Horayn)
56:39 - Decalburg
1:03:48 - Partner Moves
1:10:54 - Special Moves
1:16:02 - Stickers/Status Effects
1:17:47 - Bosses
1:22:41 - Outro
#PaperMario #StickerStar #TTYD #PaperMarioTTYD #ThousandYearDoor #SuperPaperMario - เกม
I'm really sorry for the extra long wait on this one, as I had mentioned in other places and at the end of this video, a lot of various things came together to make this video a much more complicated project than expected, and it resulted in it being delayed multiple times. I hope the finished product was worth that wait, and now that it's done I can rest a bit easier. I know a lot of you have been looking forward to the Color Splash review, and I promise it's the next video, I'm already a fair way into writing the script for it, and plan on getting it done as soon as I can. My goal is for it to be done sometime in June, but even if that can't be made, it will not be a long wait. I'll try my best to not have as big a gap between major videos as this one again.
Can't wait for the Color Splash and Origami King remakes in the future on your channel lmfao
@@multifandomfangirl9664 oh I got a good name for the Color Splash Remake Idea Paper Mario The Rainbow Stars and the Colorless Island which is appropriate given the nature of the macguffins and the main inciting factor for the games conflict is Bowser draining the Color from the Island the game takes place in.
@@multifandomfangirl9664 I'd be curious how'd you slavage Color Splash.
Origami King should be simple since there's only a handful of big changes needed to clean up that entry.
Heck, the Refolded mod is already doing it.
Worth the wait, thanks for your work
Not trying to rush you but any update on this? Is an August date realistic?
"environmentally-friendly poison gas" is the exact type of joke that would be perfectly at home in both paper mario and portal
Basically its green poison gas instead of purple poison gas
Imagine if Goomoto dropped his sunglasses and you could equip them on anyone to look cool, or TRY to equip them on Kersti for additional dialogue.
One thing interesting is that in the original boss fight with the king goomba after defeating the final phase all his allies ditch him realizing that the crown’s power literally went to his head. Which indirectly supports your theme of selfishness in your rewrite.
these ideas felt so real to me that i wish the next paper mario game brings some of them into fruition
also, fun fact: sticker star's original story was heavily implied to be about several kings becoming corrupted by an object, so the bosses you came up with almost line up with that part of the beta
Really that's actually kind of a cool coincidence
@@docbaker3333 Indeed
That's so sad... if only that sticker star got to see the light of day
Great pitch. Another name for the remake can be _"The Sticker Over Toadsmouth"_ and have the characters getting transfomed into stickers, which makes them seem like abominations to the normal paper folk.
I mean they kinda did that in origami king
Hahhahaa thats funny!
Eldritch horrora
The lab over Snakemouth
@@rangersussman5183yeah.
42:55 what if Great Gonzalez Jr painted himself a messy collage of all his possible colors from thousand your door. Much like how some warriors paint themselves before battle.
Idea: In Enigmansion, Boos would be like in Luigi's Mansion. What I mean is that they will have names that are puns on Boo, will be separate enemies, and depending on which is it, they will have different stats. In place of Stack Boo, there will be a discount Boolossus, though Big Boo will stay Big Boo since he wouldn't split like Boolossus.
Another idea: after you beat all the chapters, you can find Luigi in areas of the chapters either thanking Mario for the help there and figuring out how he could avoid the situation like "maybe escaping the goombas when they were attacking would have been better idea than trying to fight them...", or finding a way to make the news seem like purposeful embarrassment like "There where too many goombas at once!" if you DON'T save him.
Now I kinda want to see how a Color Splash in the style of TTYD would work, I’ve seen both vids and love them to death, especially Kammy’s quest for eggs, and I think you could make a a game with amazing dialogue like Color splash with the poor execution in battle and over all story, and make it truly magical
I had a cool idea where in the ice world Kersti would wonder why its snowing in spring. And talking to the NPC's they would say its because the groundhog didn't show up. Which would lead you to fighting the Monty mole boss showed in the beta footage. And after the Monty mole would explain that he isn't why its snowing and that it's coming from the mountain leading into the Baron Blizovsky fight.
I'd really love to see someone make a mod/fangame out of this. It's really good and looks like an actually good paper mario game.
i like how Luigi realizes he can save the world by himself, but keeps getting into trouble because of something that is his mistake but it isn't something that would deny him being strong and great
I love how Goomoto wears sunglasses on his eye that covers the real eyes. Kinda reminds me of myself since I love wearing my glasses on my headwear, like masks or some special glasses.
This is fricking genius, I WISH this is what we got in Sticker Star. But alas...
honesty the chapter 4 boss is honesty the best of the others, don't change it but tweak it little to fit the story
I want to live in the universe where this game and Paper Mario & The Dark Prognosticus exist so, so badly. I applaud you and Horayn for the amount of time you spent coming up with these Frankly (heh) brilliant ideas. It honestly makes the ironically named Intelligent Systems look even more incompetent since you guys managed to come up with a better concept for Sticker Star than they did.
imagine this being turned into Fangame/mod, that would be pretty cool.
the shadow queen and the final royal sticker would make a killer duo
This was really well done! I like how you further established the maddening powers of the royal stickers wishing abilities; making them the antithesis of the Star Sprits.
I especially appreciate giving Kersti an character arc.
As for the battle system, I feel you guys are borrowing a bit too much fro TTYD. Maybe it can be mix of that and PM64.
Amazing changes to 99.9% bad game. However, I think it would be cool if instead of Mario becoming shiny and powered up at the end of the game, Mario instead wears Kertsi like a Royal Sticker, except, of course, Mario becomes filled with Empathy and selflessness.
That would be so cool
Very nice! If only this was the mindset of the actual devs. This is more like what a Paper Mario game is supposed to be. Only thing I'd personally add is bringing back more of the ideas from the prototype versions, like the King Monty Mole boss and the Mander species. I had my own concept for a "classic version" of Sticker Star called Royal Radiance, but it wasn't really developed much past "has E3 2010 art style, has classic PM elements, has scrapped characters from SS" because I don't have the patience to put together a whole fleshed out concept like this.
We didn't want to stray too far from what Sticker Star did, so there wasn't much room for the beta stuff. Though thinking about it now, the card area might work as part of Snifit or Whifit. The King Monty Mole could potentially be an optional boss for a trouble though.
@@TheRedGuy yeah yeah i like it
This is something that I wish Sticker Star was. You guys did an fantastic job on it. How about showing us what Color Splash could've been next.
Sorry I won't be doing one for Color Splash, I just want to finish up the reviews and move on to something else, so I don't want to add more videos to it.
@@TheRedGuy Aw. That sucks. But I understand. Just do what you have to do.
Man, if Nintendo actually remade Sticker Star and made it similar to this, I would gladly buy it, I may not hate Sticker Star as much as most people do, but this new version would’ve been so much better than what we actually got, excellent job!!
imagine Shy Guys reaction to opening the Don't-ask being that one jumps down and says "What did we told you? We spied on you, just in case. People's curiosity can never ensure safety of private stuff!" Bowser being like "One shy guy against all of us?" And that shy guy just says "Not one" and all types of shy guys, including Anti Guys and even General Guy as cameo, fall on you and because you have no chance against this, you game over. or something like that.
I like the sticker album idea making a puzzle out of the badge mechanic.
I should sort of share my idea I had with Color Splash... if you do read this comment, (The Red Guy)
For the idea I had for color splash, I feel like taking the idea of Bowser's possession of the Black Paint and that the Black Paint itself was evil, and was actually an Evil Black Paint Star works far better than what we got.
All boss fights would be similar but each koopaling would be still guarding their respective Big (I called them Grand Paint Stars) Paint Stars, but they are more or less possessed by the Big Paint Stars that have been corrupted by the Black Paint. Defeating each Koopaling would help them regain control of their bodies and they'd say a few lines of dialogue related to Bowser not being himself, with Roy saying that he tried to fight Bowser but was fully corrupted by the Black Paint as well. The final area would actually be inside the Paint Fountain where you'd fight the Grand Black Paint Star itself. Initially, I had also added a White Paint Star for Roy to hold, but Huey being a secret Big/Grand Paint Star would work well as a sacrifice. Mario, Huey, and the Koopalings would enter the Black Paint Portal to the Grand Black Paint Stars home world. You'd get multiple sections of which you'd fight Black Koopalings, which are identical to the other various Koopalings, only for The Big Paint Star of that color that the Koopaling Guarded to Power it up, and allow it to basically fight multiple fake copies of themselves as the others escape. Going in order of when you fight each Koopaling. You'd end up Battling Black Bowser just the same as before, but instead of Huey's sacrifice going the same way, The Other Koopalings would return with the respective Big Paint Stars and help you out for the second phase of the fight. This being the freeing Bowser phase. The Big Black Paint Star would have a design similar to the other Big Paint Stars only with red eyes. Once the Big Black Paint Star is defeated, it begins an escape section where Mario and the others have to escape. And they do just in time. The Black Paint Portal disappears and Bowser feels sad that he didn't get to do what he wanted to do and is sorry for all the trouble he caused. Mario pauses for a moment before Using his paint Hammer on Bowser's Shell and painting it rainbow Colors. The ending ends far more happy for Bowser, since he honestly didn't intend for what happened.
i've always wanted to see what a Good Sticker Star would be like
An easy way of coding relevant Dialoge would be to use an if then else statement with a flag to indicate the character growth of Kersti. Ie “if kersti development happened, then say this, else, say that.
Great video! I'll keep adding to this post as more things come up:
24:42 I love the little *thump* that sounds when you talk about the Aviators. Such a little detail but you sure are passionate about it.
Fantastic video. One thing you didn't quite mention is if you'd keep the sticker rarity concept the base game has if at all, and I keep thinking about there's potential for it in this reimaigining, but I'm not fully sure how to go about it, but the idea is to give players the capacity to mod their stickers with certain options to further customize their loadouts.
Since you're transforming the BP into the grid-like system, I have this idea that some stickers could be compressed to cost less SP to equip, or on the other hand, made bigger to have greater effects, or maybe, upgrade their polish and make them keep the same SP cost but have increased effects but may cost higher FP. Heck, you could keep a bit of the original Sticker Star's spirit by making stickers widespread and have to fuse them together to improve them. And then you need to get clever in how you order up your stickers so you don't just slap everything and forget about it. The bottomline is to expand upon the stickers as well, as it would further increase replay value. It may make the game a bit grindier compared to TTYD, but it expands into its idea of stackable badges. And this could be retrofitted into the Polish Shop to give it further use.
Another wacky idea is to rework the system a bit more thoroughly and still taking a page out of the original (if only from a visual flavor standpoint). Instead of having an arbitrary amount of SP, you can make a system where Mario (and maybe his partners?) equip "pages" of stickers at a time. Want a loadout focused on going all in on your jump? Switch to a page full of Jumpman and whatever Stomp stickers. Want a generalist loadout? Switch to a page that combines Power and Defend Pluses with Flower Savers and Happy Hearts/Flowers to the side. Heck, this system and the previous one could even work together, as the player needs to decide either to upgrade the existing pages or go for new ones.
There's a lot of potential with the stickers instead of just relegating them to consumables or just the replacement for badges tbh. Of course, this would require a lot of rebalancing and testing, but I think both ideas work nicely with the concept of a more open ended RPG adventure.
I love the idea that the Royal Stickers act as influences towards unsuspecting characters. This would make Bowser a perfect target, who desired power. It would also make the main Royal Sticker a greater scope villain like Majora's Mask. It would give everyone redemption arcs, who gave into their desires.
Here's an idea for Emperor Piranhazuma.
You enter the final level of World 5, and... Nothing. The Royal Sticker is right there. You go and grab it but then a Piranha Plant snatches it and the Sticker turns it into the Boss you'll have to defeat to get it back. Kersti can even comment about how this Royal Sticker is a freebee, but then gets annoyed when the Piranha Plant eats it whole before it powers up.
That would be in line with most Nintendo games, where an item that ends the level gets stolen and then a surprise Boss Battle happens out of nowhere. It would be cool to see. Especially in a game like Sticker Star that desperately needed innovation.
It sucks seeing this, I see it all now, like the first paper mario I played as a kid was sticker star and I thought it was incredible mostly.... even as a kid though I remember thinking sometimes "hmm.... this is really bad... or wow kersti sucks"
Would Bowser openly be like "Hey, it's my quest" or would he hide his identity until he can't stand Mario taking the quest at first?
He wouldn't be hiding, he wasn't expecting Mario would take his quest and only finds out when Mario approaches him about it.
@@TheRedGuy So he wouldn't even hide the fact that even the great King Bowser needs someone's help?
I don’t even hate sticker star but all of the ideas in this video are way better than what was actually in the game😂. I think it’s such a missed opportunity that this is the first paper Mario game Bowser Junior is in but he never even interacts with Bowser once (not that they would’ve had much of an interaction because Bowser doesn’t talk for some reason)
I haven’t really watched any videos on sticker star so for the longest time I thought “Sticker Star” described Mario, calling him a “Sticker Master” or “Sticker Superstar,” and I didn’t actually know the Sticker Star was a thing in-game (well to some extent)
Unfortunately a certain Zelda release distracted me from this video's launch yesterday, that said I am very proud of the work that has gone into this and am beyond glad that it has finally released!
Great to see it in a final form after all of this time, oh and happy mothers day I suppose lmao.
I love the idea of yoshi kid returning as an optional boss.
I think Kersti should've been worn by Mario in the end which would weaken her by alot which makes it so she simply gos away
no joke, if a modding tool for sticker star ever comes. PLEASE let someone make this a reality!
If only Kammy were in Deltarune.
Her Quantum Deviled eggs would be a hit
Damnit now I really wish there was a nonlinear paper Mario game. (I know sticker Star was already like that but I want one that’s done better than sticker star) Experimenting with different routes that would unlock different partners at different times to unlock different parts of the game which could potentially give you different badges earlier or later depending on how you do things has so much potential. The only thing I would prefer is if the strength or power of enemies would scale with you as you progress because if you go out of your way to do chapter 5 first and make the game super hard at the beginning wouldn’t the enemies in chapter one be really easy?
I also love the idea of sticking on badge stickers like the sticker sorting already in the game
Technically, Sticker Star isn’t even strictly nonlinear. You need to finish most of World 1 to get to World 3, and then probably half of World 3 to battle the Cheep Cheep blocking access to the other worlds.
@@iantaakalla8180 Maybe the worlds could be in batches. Like you have access to the first 3 worlds and can approach them in any order, and they all have roughly the same difficulty. Then after you clear those you gain access to the next 3 worlds that have significantly jacked up difficulty compared to the first 3, but also have roughly the same difficulty as each other, and so on.
The weird adventures version of whatever Sonic Frontiers did. It can work as sort of a nod to the cliché of the ever increasing power the last owner of the Royal Crown would have. Like the crowns collectively know you are a threat and ramp up the difficulty of bosses and sticker enemies.
That would be very cool.
With that new concept for the royal stickers, I feel like one of the bosses would be a traitorous far-flung traveler from another dimension. Not sure why I'm feeling that way. 🤔
This is such a cool video, I love all of the ideas! I am one of the few who actually loved Sticker Star. It was one of my first 3DS games, although I do wish it got the treatment of the others. I absolutely loved the bright flashy scenes in every world (especially the winter one), but at times the game did feel a bit tedious and simple which could be discouraging- I hated the mini battles and no characters particularly stick out as a main friend or foe in the game. If it had been more like you proposed I think it would have been even more fun to play.
I'm in the same boat as you. A big peeve of mine is when people think the idea to a remake of a game is to undo or overcorrect elements, they deem worthy of gotten rid of. Rather than preserving the original's image, while tweaking the less fortunate aspects. The same applies to when developers do it too. I also agree that I don't think remakes should completely undo the original games, as the mindset people fall into is "this game sucks now" basically treating it as a pair of used socks. I'd rather keep the identity of the game, rather than overcorrect every aspect I hate for the sake of it. I also rather enjoyed the concept you guys came up with, love Horayn's ideas! I feel an underdiscussed topic in regard to this series is their take on various lands you visit.
What I appreciate about TTYD, SPM and TOK's world designs are their deviations away from typical adventure game biomes like Snow land, desert land, spooky forest etc, while it's a strangely criticized aspect now (I don't understand, feels tact on) I think it adds to the world building of the games that passively added to the various aspects of the worlds. Not to say these aspects are bad, but I enjoy when games take chances to ramp up their world with takes on biomes (like Twilight Town being an answer to a generic spooky forest area with its nice use of gothic color palettes and NPCs that look like old, torn up puppets) or the jungle area adding more of a pirate theme, it transitions well past its introduction of typical grassy plains, and even then it just plays a part to building a more interesting world. And for all my problems with SPMS, I loved the geometric design for its worlds, giving them all a distinct feel. And TOK's giving off a sense of adventure. I like you guys take on the worlds of this game to give them more of a feel beyond generic adventure game biomes that are segmented pieces of areas.
I love the idea of Goombella actually showing up in Sticker Star, since I think it would have been cool if later games, not bound to the stupid character restriction rule would bring back previous companions as minor or major NPCs in some way. Like traveling by sea, and while in trouble you are encountered by Cortez and Bobbery on a long voyage who just happen to be going where you're at. Your take on Kersti reminds me of Midna, where she starts out not caring about Link and using him as a means to an end but develops and appreciates him. Love the use of Kammy and how Bowser's appearance progresses.
Agree, game companies should only remake games that have flaws and problems.
For example, SEGA remastered Yakuza 1 & 2 on PS4 and the remake fixes problems with the first game like the combat, script and change the really bad English dub to the Japanese dub that the newer Yakuza Games.
Color Splash also has really good world design and theming that people honestly don't talk about enough
I’d personally give Sticker Star 2 more chapters, expand the ocean and a ghost themed area. Sticker Star is quite short compared to the other games, ignoring World 3.
So, Pokesses wanted to be revived which made the dead pokey body undead I guess, Mizzter Blizzard wanted to not die, and Piranha plant wanted to grow, but what is the selfish desire of Goomba and Gooper Blooper that Royal Sticker managed to use them?
The goomba would be to rule the land and goober blooper to rule the sea
@@toppy3059 I don't think Gooper Blooper would want to rule the sea, though the Goomba MIGHT want to rule.
@@JezElectro13what if gooper blooper was already in the factory before the sticker landed on him and when he got it he wanted to get revenge on the shy guys
@@toppy3059 That would work very well, yeah.
Only 1 thing I'd want for sticker star that would make it a million times better. Give it the standard jump and hammer attacks and have the stickers as special attacks. The rest of the game can stay the same. Just give me that and I'll be happy with it.
HYPE!!!! You have no idea how many times I have replayed your sticker star review to fall asleep to lol. Instant click. Great vid and I ain't even watched it yet!
Might I ask how do you view origami king as a game?
I think that would be interesting to see how you would change origami king because alot of it is arguably already good, the legion of stationary is just to good to replace imo, maybe some more original origami enemies and new character designs for some characters would be lovely,and better combat of course. So Id love to see how you would change a game like that,which unlike sticker star has a actual plot and y’know characters.Although origami king does actually use the genericness to its advantage with characters like bobby who while a normal bob-omb and king ollys motivation literally being toads are so similar it’s aggravating.
Edit:This video also could probably be much shorter and condensed considering the changes would be more simple I just think it would be fun to hear what ideas you’d have for that game.
I haven't played Origami King yet, I'll get to it after the Color Splash review is done, but I have no plans on making this kind of video about it.
@@TheRedGuy I hope you enjoy TOK its not going to be as good as TTYD or 64 but it has a great story and combat that isn’t fantastic but is definitely a improvement from the sticker/card combat of the last two. I think you honestly could come out of it more positively especially considering now we are getting a remake of ttyd meaning that this game was the step towards the franchise returning to its former glory (hopefully)
Dude this deserves more views. Actually so sick!
Solargress jumpscare
holy shit this is awesome! i was a dumb stupid idiot child so i thought sticker star was good and so i have a ton of undeserved nostalgia for it so this actually fixing it and making it good to make that deserved would be awesome :]
You weren't an idiot for liking a game.
I am loving your versions of Paper Mario the Dark Prognostics and Sticker Comet!! The post game section is so good! It's such a shame these ideas will just be ideas
I like how kamek isn’t removed and replaced with Kammy, the most under appreciated mario character gets his redemption. Seriously please tell me I’m not the only kamek fan.
I'll be real here: I feel like the decision to make the battle system just TTYD again while relegating stickers to "Badges but with extra steps" is kind of...cheap? I don't know. Sticker Star was absolutely awful, but I don't think the idea of consumable-based combat has to be bad. That game just made it SO bad while making baffling decisions that now everyone thinks it's just inherently terrible. I think it would be an interesting idea to try and remake the battle system while keeping both consumable stickers AND partners/leveling intact.
The whole pitch of these videos was just what would these games be like if they played like TTYD, so we didn't want to make a different battle system. We probably could have thought of ways to expand more on TTYD's battle system here, but for this video we were more focused on fixing the story and the non linear structure. We came up with more ideas of expanding TTYD's battle system in the Dark Prognosticus video with the swap able lead characters.
Maybe it can be done well, but I have a hard time envisioning a completely consumable based battle system working in turn based combat, at least in Paper Mario styled combat. Maybe you could make something like it work, but I don't think it'd be a good fit for Paper Mario. The idea of consumable attacks doesn't gel well with action commands which is what Paper Mario's battle system was built around. And if we're adding partners into this then you'd have to deal with multiple inventories across all characters, and that really doesn't sound fun. You'd have to keep track of what stickers each character had, and it would be less of "what character is best for this situation?" and more "do any of my characters currently have something useful?" This would take away a lot of strategy, enemies and bosses couldn't be designed around certain characters or attacks because it's not guaranteed you'll have them, which leads to the same issue of trial and error Sticker Star had. If its the kind of thing where you always have a default attack that doesn't use a resource, then it is just FP with extra steps and unnecessary inventory management. FP already fills the need for resource management without any of the issues Sticker Star had.
I think I have a proposal for this.
Before anything, I consider that this solution might sound good but It can lack of execution, as It wasn't proved.
Well, my idea is that Mario Will keep his basic comands; Hammer, Jump, Item , Defend.
But when you choosed an command, a bar Will display showing you the stickers you wanna apply to that attack as an effect;
Put a jump attack a Fire sticker and you have a Fire jump. Put a Hammer attack an spring sticker and you have spring Hammer. I think It might be interesting that sticker doesn't do nothing by their own , but instead compliments the attacks you do, and doesn't contradict any previous rule.
This can be a far better use of the roulete, as this Will act more as an accesibility option or used as an strategy if you wanna add more sticker effects.
Things Will get outright removed, and so the "shiny" and the "Big" stuff(or you can make It bigger because its objectily a better option)
And maybe the stickers you have in Battle can act as a deck(meaning that stickers are not one time only consumable anymore, more like in what is used in Shovel Knight King of Cards), so you may have , so you may recharge It with a refill box, meaning that shops Will have a diferent porpuse. Instead of purchasing a consumable, you will buy a sticker you may add to your deck and have more options.
Maybe one kind of sticker (like fire ones could have a limit of how many can you buy)
If they don't want to give us exp, we Will have to accentuate the use of money, in a way that mainly by battling you Will get It, and that upgrades(like upgrading your deck or health boost) can be bought by spending It.
As a reminder, I consider SS consumable system as a bad idea, and the worse It is the harder is to work around, so don't be afraid to correct me if something doesn't convince you!
@@TheRedGuy Yeah, that's fair -- I really liked all the partners and extra story flare you guys added. I'm just not sold on the battle system being a near-perfect retread. Like, that's the whole reason they ended up in this mess at all since they were apparently so worried about redundancy.
It might be easy to feel like FP makes the concept of sticker management pointless, but again, I feel like that's only because of terrible implementation. Don't get me wrong, I _do_ like the classic style better, as MP as a general concept is tried and true. But simply cleaning up stickers and streamlining them along the way would probably still get us a nifty (and more importantly, _functional)_ little system that could still take advantage of action commands.
For example, let players more easily sort their stickers manually by letting them see all of their pages at once. Allow them to star their favorite stickers (hehe) for easy selection. If partners were added, there could be ways to obtain their moves as stickers in Mario's inventory (I'll go over that briefly in a bit) -- they don't all have to have their own exclusive menus. The game could also have stickers increase in durability depending on their tier: the bigger ones especially would last for several turns at a time and deal lots of damage, but take up more space.
Still, though, the problem remains: why use stickers if they'll just eventually disappear? Well, how about giving that disappearance an incentive of its own? For example, let's say this hypothetical Sticker Star has a new stat called SP (Sticker Points). Akin to Star Points in the old games, you get them primarily from winning battles; however, you also get them when a sticker "breaks." The more valuable the sticker, the more SP you get. After this, you can use your stored SP to either combine stickers into higher, more durable tiers (sort of like merge-number games lol) or spend it in bulk during battle for exclusive stickers, such as partner moves and royal stickers. As you progress and battle through the game, you'll naturally have more and more SP, which means you'll have more consistent access to stronger stickers -- it's not leveling, but it's a fluid form of progression. As for coins? Well, perhaps shops could offer stuff like HP-up hearts and badges, which are unobtainable with SP.
I admit it's still not like the old formula, and there are probably flaws I haven't thought of with this fix since I essentially thought of this on a whim. I'd definitely prefer a new game that used the other system instead. But the point is, considering what we actually got, there had to be a better way for them to execute it in a way that didn't simply draw a tangent from TTYD. I mean, @JoseViktor4099 suggested stickers as a supplementary system, and I think that would work perfectly fine as well.
Those are interesting ideas from both of you, though it's always hard to gauge how good a concept would be in practice. Again I'll admit we could have expanded on the battle system more here, and if both Dark Prognosticus and Sticker Comet were what we actually got there would be a risk of stagnation. Though I think the changes we came up for Dark Prognosticus would be enough to avoid that, but Sticker Comet would need more. But I don't think completely overhauling the battle system is the only solution, Mario and Luigi kept a pretty similar battle system across all it's games (from what I know of them, only actually played Partners in Time so correct me if I'm wrong) and I've never heard anyone complain about them being stagnant or redundant.
@@TheRedGuy Of course, you are on point of that you should see what does It work and utilize It.
Thats why M&L games never got a complain gameplay wise, because they knew that might be a better idea adding to the formula than "change for the sake of change".
SS Battle system was a very curious case, because It has RPG elements, but surprisingly only the worst ones. Its have that simplicity of only using your strongest attacks and grinding in a lot of cases, while It lacks the customization , the incentive and the strategy a proper RPG has.
My take was to do what the to build upon the stablished only getting the concept of stickers, but I have to admit that @Charnutboy take sounds promising.
I always liked the idea of being able to do the worlds out of order, with the consequence being that later worlds are slightly less intense, and leaving early worlds for later makes them get worse. As time passes (measured in chapters completed), maybe more and more undead get possessed in the desert the longer you wait. the goombas in grassland refurbish their fortress more and get closer to doing real damage to the peaceful town. conversely, going to the jungle early means the volcano isn't in as severe a state, or the snow world isn't quite so frozen over.
It does bug me that this messes with Kersti's character development though, and its no simple thing to get it to happen anywhere but the poison forest. It'd be nice to have a little arc she could go through per chapter, to develop her in at least small ways, but I'm stumped on how that would work, plus it would be really complicated to implement
Stellar ideas! These already make this game a much more enjoyable time!
I feel like instead of another intermission, Luigi's scenes are considered their own mini mode similar to the new side stories in the M&L RPG remakes. After one is unlocked, the player can access them any time from the menu.
Two intermissions feels like it could drag the pace between chapters.
Let’s just hope that these side stories aren’t as bad as the ones in Superstar Saga DX and Bowser’s Inside Story DX. I haven’t played those games, but I know those modes are horrendous.
@TheDMan2003 They can't hold themselves as standalone games, but Bowser's Minions and Bowser Jr.'s Quest were enjoyable. A little grindy and not as interactive, but neat idle battlers.
I wanted to say this for a while, but I love how Pokesses looks like he's Mummy Pokey from New Super Mario Bros. DS
Amazing as always! Thank you very much for your hard work again with this one. I appreciate how long these videos must take to make, and how they're made with a lot of skill and passion. You're very underrated and a skilled channel, and I applaud you on this. Well done :)
See, little changes like this - huge, huge difference. Well done
This was amazing red and i'm gald this video is finally done and the wait has Been worth it
This video did do one thing for me.
It reaffirmed how much I like Sticker Star. Not really much about the game I would want to change.
Those ideas would make sticker star way better than what we got. I wish they would STICK with the ideas like those you came up with.
Idea: Chet Rippo of this game would be a special Magikoopa, with unique design and all.
Frankly, I'm floored! This would be such a fantastic game! Someone needs to get on this YESTERDAY!
I wish they add Luigi so he can help his brother as well.
I loved watching this video, and the one for SPM right after. It gave me ideas for a similar video reworking another black sheep game in a different series, in fact!
It's probably too much for a project like this, but I think it'd be great to have Bowser jr get a black eye and a cracked shell from his conversation from Bowser. Thought it may be too much for a Nintendo game.
But it'd also be a good catalyst for the two magickoopas to believe Mario and co
I love all these ideas amazing video as usual.
Alright I've been waiting for this for what feels like decades and Oh boy does it pay off excellently the concepts the partners the Royal Sticker concepts it's all really great Also an aside one I actually came up with Ideas for special moves for the Dark prognosticus in the reply column on my comment for that video look at it and tell me what you think. and finally this may not be implemented but In the unlikely but possible event you complete the pit before beating the game when Kersti looks at the murals all of her memories as the Queen will come back and if you fight the final phase of the Bowser fight following this she'll actually chastise the King who still has his memories and will actually talk back and is not keen on his "Soft" wife interfering with his plans for domination again at this point the bosses name becomes his real name King Adhesticus III and when Kersti sacrifices herself The King mocks her act of heroism in a very mean way saying something along the line of "Bah a fitting end she always doted on weaklings instead of me as any spouse should it's only fighting she would perish in service of inferior people like you plumber. Oh looking sad little red plebian, because you lost your wittle fwiend? WELL DON'T BE SADNESS IS AN EMOTION ONLY ANTS SHOULD FEEL you'll join her soon enough and with you gone the princess this castle This kingdom, THIS WORLD IT WILL BE MINE ALL MINE AND MINE ALONE TO RULE MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!" This angers Mario so much it actually gives him permanent +2 attack boost through out the fight granted he will still be tough but I think it would be somewhat quicker plus I think it would be a nifty addition to incentivize clearing the pit early on Repeat playthroughs.
So happy to see new content from you!!!
THIS is the game I wish I grew up with.
I hope someone makes this into a mod someday
Paper Mario Sticker Star: Re-folded
this is very fun! you have a knack for the paper mario style and it's cool seeing such a maligned game getting built upon
I’m excited to see what you think of Color splash! It’s probably one of my favourites! I’m also interested to see if you could do this kind of video for Color Splash, as I think you could bring a lot of ideas to the table. The only one I wouldn’t want is origami king because that game is already a work of art.
7:55 Char Cole..... HA I get it..... That's probably the best pun I've seen in this video yet.
not that game we wanted but the game we needed
The dude made sticker star great.
Holy shit if someone actually successfully made this into a rom it would be amazing.
This is better than the original Sticker Star
Return of the King
Imagine if the NPC that gives you the Do The Pit quest is a guy who you meet several times and he always has the craziest theory on what Royal Stickers are and after you meet him in every location, he gives a quest to get to the bottom of the pit to gather some solid lore material for his next, Ultimate Royal Sticker Theory, and he would be sort of a tribute to MatPat.
We will miss you, MatPat.
Thanks for not changing Mr. Blizzard's story much. Best part of this shitshow of a game i swear.
I never would've thought that there'd be enough materials in Sticker Star to actually make it into a good game if it got expanded on--though I can't say I'm surprised. It was a pretty bare-bones game, and that definitely shows. It felt much more like a mediocre fan-made game that people would've given a tad more praise had it been that instead only with everyone pointing out that it also felt unfinished (which I would actually myself say that it was) than an officially licensed Nintendo title, which it actually was and unbelievably so.
I liked the ideas you guys came up with to fix it. Basically what it heavily lacked was story, characters, and gameplay elements, and you guys hit the nail on the head in all those departments--even bringing back some old ones that really needed to come back! I think that, with what you guys added in, this game would've been good and actually have been a game that deserves to exist and be played, unlike the lackluster garbage we did end up with. Personally, I probably would've wanted to see a complete overhaul, maybe with a handful of the good elements, but yeah, that would've defeated the purpose of what you guys were going for.
If there's anything I would want to add, I think this game, especially with everything you guys added in, could benefit from having a couple additional chapters, to help make it extend to the length of its predecessors. As it stands I can see it getting away without those, especially considering that the original Paper Mario had two chapters that were filler chapters that either needed some work to make them more interesting or could've been removed all together and not change much about the game, just simply making it shorter (those being chapters four and six). But, then again, this game could've suffered from the same problem as that, having too much extra content (unless, of course, it's written really, really well to justify it being there). I also definitely would've redesigned the backgrounds, since I don't care about them in this game too much (looks a little too crafty for my taste; I like the original Paper Mario's design a lot better, or even TTYD's would've been okay). And, as I mentioned on my comment in the Sticker Star video, I would very much replace a handful of the tracks in this game, and improve some other ones. There is a handful in this game I thought was good, but I've never been a fan of this soundtrack. It is so overrated. I don't know why people think it's good, but it's not imo. I'm rambling at this point, though.
After hearing your guys' changes, I'm discovering one problem this game's presenting that I never would've thought I would ever say about this or any video game period. You guys wanted to add to the story, which I think is great, and that is definitely something that this game really, really needed. But then you also wanted to bring the battle system back to TTYD. And I agree. TTYD's battle system was definitely the best. And I would do practically anything to put it into Sticker Star (or, in your guys' case, Sticker Comet). But after hearing the battle system coming back into The Dark Prognosticus, as well as this game, with virtually no changes, I'm ironically starting to see the problem that Miyamoto probably saw when he was playing the original draft of what became Sticker Star. It's starting to get a little repetitive. I mean, don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that games should completely change to keep things fresh (the direction that Paper Mario already underwent is a painful example of that). And I'm not saying you guys haven't offered any changes in this game, or The Dark Prognosticus, for that matter, to keep things from being too samey, either. But what I am getting to notice is that, if there's not enough of something to innovate the gameplay experience just enough to keep things from getting stale, it almost defeats the whole purpose of having a new game at all. Now, I mean, like I said, I don't think that's really a problem that's cropped up with you guys. You definitely did do something to bring some new changes to the gameplay from game to game. TTYD, while having a handful of flaws that give it some flack, was a shining example of what a Paper Mario game should be. You guys' version of Super, called The Dark Prognosticus, innovates by playing around with flipping in a more conceivable fashion, as well as letting Mario himself be switchable with other mains, which I thought was genius. And Sticker Comet does something that the other Paper Mario games do not, which is allowing for a more diverse chapter order that you can play through without glitches AND while being fun and innovative (at least, I think it's a good idea, but, if I may, probably could use a little more work to really sell the idea that that's how it's meant to be played so it doesn't feel like you're only invited to but should still play the normal way, like how Breath of the Wild does it, for instance. Maybe a cross between the two styles would be fun). And I'm not saying that the problem I observed necessarily showed in your ideas, either. But I am baffled that none of us actually noticed it before, either.
I don't know if anyone here is reading this comment, but I hope you are, because what I'm about to write here, I believe, is something that every gamer, and probably every game developer, should know. A good game series doesn't repeat itself or completely overhaul just to be innovative. A good game series, or any series in general, recognizes its core elements and identity and sticks with them--but changes certain other aspects so that it feels like something new, while still being a part of the old. I think the problem Miyamoto noticed was this: the game draft that he played on, while we don't know much about, probably was too much like The Thousand-Year Door, because, while it wasn't necessarily a direct copy of the same game, it did share too many things in common with that game to where it didn't innovate enough. Miyamoto told those guys to innovate a little more, but he failed to recognize what elements needed fixing, and everybody started making a whole series that left most of its core elements behind, changed its identity (still the same one, but with a different persona), and became something it was not. I've seen other videos about other franchises that have undergone similar problems, some as bad as this but for different reasons, others worse or not quite as bad, but all with the same outcome. And now I've been playing The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, and--spoiler alert, if you really want to experience it for yourself first--it, so far, has felt like a perfect experience going in from Breath of the Wild, being a game that recognized its core elements and identity, while still changing enough to feel like something different. It did it all perfectly. Ironically, I was disappointed at first with TTYD because it changed too many things from the original that I didn't want it to. But now, I have a much better appreciation for it--especially after what happened with Sticker Star. And all the things I've seen and experienced have finally made me discover all this and start to recognize it for the first time ever.
This is all important to me, because, not only am I a gamer, I'm also an animator, and lately I've dabbled a little in video game design. And now, I'm starting to recognize elements that I want to incorporate in the things I create. Now, hopefully, I can do things in the right ways and for the right reasons, and, for those who take the time to read this, hopefully I've done the same thing for you, too!
(Also, in case anyone's wondering, as much as I would love to recreate Super Paper Mario and Sticker Star into the games that The Red Guy suggested they become, that's never been the task I've set out to do. I don't mean to disappoint or anything; it's just, with what I've seen, anytime someone tries to create a rom-hack, a recreation, or even a completely original game with any of Nintendo's IP in it, let alone Mario, without their express permission, it never ends well. It either gets a cease and desist before it gets finished or gets taken down. So, personally, I don't think it's worth investing into. While I don't encourage anyone else to try this because of what could happen, I would also be supportive of them in their efforts to create these. I am definitely, however, willing to create games like Paper Mario, though, since that's one of my biggest inspirations.)
So, yeah, another long comment, again like on the original Sticker Star video, but I hope I brought forward some good points and thoughts that I had in watching this video, as well as in general, regarding aspects surrounding this game. I could practically talk about this series forever!
Yeah if the series kept going with the same gameplay style it could have gotten stale if they didn't change it up enough, but I don't think it had reached staleness with TTYD. A sequel to TTYD in the same style I think would have been fine especially if it expanded the concept to a similar level that TTYD did to 64. Perhaps beta Sticker Star offered no expansion to TTYD's concepts, in which Miyamoto would have a point, but had it properly expanded on TTYD I don't think it would have been a problem. I feel the additions we suggested in the Dark Prognosticus would be enough, though Sticker Comet might suffer in a world where both existed given what we've suggested. We focused more on the story than gameplay for this one. The non linear structure could help, though might not be enough for those who would just play in the default order and not care enough to change up the order. If either game were to become a reality there would need to be a lot to be considered that hasn't been discussed in these videos. Thanks for the well thought out comment!
Well then let me ask you a simple question?
Why are 8 Mario Karts acceptable? What about 8 2D Marios? What about 8 Mainline Pokemon games? Them using new and unique partners alone, which we saw, is a pass as we've seen.
BotW and TotK are good exploration games, but generally speaking terrible Zelda games. A lot of people have brought up the lack of anything past bare-bone puzzles and temples. A combat system which discourages participating in it. A building system where most parts are literally worthless or detrimental to use. These games have created a rift between the Exploration vs Puzzle/Combat fans of the series that is very likely to cause some very major issues.
I've given this some more thought over time and as of now have been rewatching Red's series again before he releases his Origami King review, and I will say this: I don't think that this is a bad idea at all. In fact, as I stated earlier in my comment, this is a game I would much rather play over Sticker Star any day, and there are some aspects he mentions in here I forgot about that I definitely think outdo what TTYD does (the Luigi role and Pit of 100 Trials twist being a couple of my favorites!). Basically what I was getting at was something that kinda came to me as I was listening and hadn't thought about before, but seemed to make sense at the time. Also, I'd been watching lots of other videos giving more insight into the history of this game and its predecessors and got a bit of a bias out of it, but watching this shortly after rewatching the Sticker Star review did put things into light a little more. I never said I had a problem with this. In fact, I love it! It was just an insight I had.
@Buglin_Burger7878 As for your reply, it does spark up some more thinking, and I appreciate that. I find this topic so interesting because there's a lot objectively wrong with Sticker Star, and yet, some people still find things to enjoy about the game. Personally, I've never really understood it, but, while I heavily disagree with those people based on my own experience with the game, I at least respect them for liking it, because video games are art, and the kind of art you enjoy is subjective. I've always been more of a story-first kind of guy when it comes to video games (though I definitely do believe the gameplay is important, don't get me wrong), so that's a big reason why I have problems with this game. Red said he's got a more gameplay-based approach, but even he appreciates the story in games, so, again, it shows how different some people can be and how the same we also can be. But, I digress.
My point is, some games do benefit more when you at least come up with some way to innovate so it isn't too water-downed of an experience because it's too much of the same thing. Granted, some games I've played handle this pretty well. I was impressed with how Ori and the Will of the Wisps followed up Ori and the Blind Forest feeling like the same experience while not being boring in comparison, which doesn't happen often in games. Maybe some might argue with me on that, and that's fine, but that was my experience with those games. They are both in the same series and feel the same, but they both still work well from that. So, this isn't a problem by that measure. Granted, they are just a duology, which probably does help, since they at least don't overstay their welcome. So, yeah, depending on the context, innovation isn't necessary.
As for the example of Mario Kart: it does still innovate in its own ways. While sure, the gameplay is the same, most of the games do things differently. Mario Kart 64 changed the appearances of the characters and made the courses look much more interesting than the flat loops of Super Mario Kart, and the gameplay is more fun. Double Dash brings in the concept of two characters per kart, which they do a lot with, and this idea was only used in that game. DS brings in the Mission Mode--again only used in that game. Wii experimented with motion control steering, which, while it is brought back in 8, it was still an innovative idea then. And, of course, 8 brings in DLC courses and characters. My point is: imagine the whole series remaining exactly the same game with nothing to make them stand out. The only changes are the character roster and courses, and that's it. Sure, that's mostly what Mario Kart is anyway, but, without something interesting to counterbalance it, it would get stale after a while.
2D Mario gets that problem in the second half of its series. Sure, Super Mario Bros. 2 was an outlier (being based on an entirely different game for those outside Japan), and 3 expands on what the first one did. World was kinda the same as 3, but it had its differences in the map screen presentation as well as its art style and the introduction of Yoshi. New Super Mario Bros. for the DS came along and it was an excellent game that brought back the 2D games. NSMBW was another excellent entry for bringing back the Koopalings and introducing the infamous 4-player coop. But then look what happened after that. 2 had a gimmick that made it too easy. Fun in its own way, but starting to get a little stale. And now people are complaining about NSMBU for being too much of the same. If you look at the New Super Mario Bros. titles over time, they start getting stale as it goes on.
Sadly, I haven't played much Pokemon, but I am a recently-made Zelda fan, and BotW was my first one. I've played quite a lot of the series since, including TotK (obviously), OoT, MM, LttP, LA, OoS, OoA, MC, and SS. And I will say, while I'm not a contender for this, I understand where people are coming from for not seeing BotW and TotK as good Zelda games since they change a lot. I've seen videos talking about that, and I've heard that there is a controversy over it all. But at least they're still good games in their own right, even if they alter what the series did in the first place.
The problem we Paper Mario fans have with Sticker Star is, not only is it an insult to those of us who like the old series, it's not even a good game to begin with. Again, some people find things to like about it, which is fine. But the Red Guy points out that that game is flawed in just about every way imaginable, with or without bias, and as a result that game is not a fun game to play. Again, video games are art, art is subjective. But even certain ways that art is made have objectivity. An art piece may not be perfect, but at least its representation and what the artist is trying to present through it has purpose and something for people to get out of it. And all the other games we've discussed have that as well. But Sticker Star? I don't see much purpose to that game other than to extend the series with something that is completely mediocre, especially compared to the rest of the series.
Sorry about this long reply, but I hope you took the time to read it. And thanks for the question! It gave me a lot to think about and reflect upon.
I will pay someone to make this a game
A bunch of people are unloading their own concepts here, so I feel that it wouldn't hurt to include my own: (It's pretty long; expand at one's own risk)
To make Goombarshal's Rank 1 Skill more thematic to his design, it instead has the player perform consecutive button presses to rile him up, gaining an aura with faint spikes on his head; and being respectively renamed "Sharp Mind".
Chrysl falls into the web alongside Mario and gets fully encased by the Scuttlebug; where he breaks out after transforming into a Flutter.
When Emperor Piranhazuma is defeated, Mario and Co. fall into its mouth right before the volcano erupts; shielding them from the lava. They escape from an uprooted and incapacitated Piranhazuma somewhere else in the jungle. The jungle wasn't affected too badly when the volcano erupted in Paper Mario 64, so why not here as well?
Instead of turning into Egg Bombs during the Kammy trouble, Eggs previously in Mario's inventory turn into Century Eggs, which she remarks that Bowser hates very much. This prevents eggs from being compromised during the quest while still remaining invalid for completion.
The punishment of opening the "Don't Ask" is Mario suffocating from the resulting contents' vapours. The Shy Guys/Snifits remark that they didn't want it opened, not because they'd get sued for the safety hazard; (you were indeed warned not to inspect it) but because the resulting paperwork to reject liability is a major hassle.
Shogunate Goomoto still fuses with a bunch of other Goombas into one sheet of paper, but instead that paper is bent into the figure of a samurai.
Love it, i might actually make some of these partners into paper figures (not to use in videos if you dont want oviously)
As someone who likes sticker star I will agree it is a bit bland at times. This video is a really good reinterpretation of how it could've been.
Now do color splash
Someone find me a genie’s lamp. I’ll wish for this concept to replace Sticker Star.
Amusingly this idea is rather similar to an original TTYD-style concept I found on dA some time ago.
SS, CS, and OK would all have probably been good with actual fun combat.
I would like it if the boss has two phases the first phase would be like against the regular empowered boss, but if you defeat him in the first phase. The crown will completely corrupt him, and the soul of the monarch will take a hold in the Crown to become a ghostly version of the original monarch and if you defeat the boss and collect the Royals sticker, you can click on it to learn the history of that monarch of how he died. And as two fun twists the Crown that possesses pokesses is actually his crown and instead of his soul it was his evil and the more he gets corrupted the more he got his evil back until when he transforms in his second phase he actually becomes alive again. And the second one could be that the golden crown could be from a ancestor from Bowser line. we can have a little joke with like the crown saying “Finally, I’m free from that stupid dope’s head! to think how far my line has gone from me the king of all evil to an absolute idiot who’s obsessed with making a princess marry him instead of taking over a kingdom! even when I was latched on to that dope his mind was an absolute nightmare! Treating his minions with kindness being nice to his son who failed countless times, and trying the same old tactic but revamped over and over again just to try and kidnap the princess instead of oh I don’t know killing the stupid plumber so he won’t be in the way! Not to mention, his mind was so fixated on that princess she was literally everywhere with fantasies of him and her together I had to try and warp all those fantasies just to corrupt his brain log enough so I can completely control him just get knocked off by that stupid plumber but this one thing that was not dope and that being his hatred. for. YOU! Allowed me to take control of my internal poison now when I’m done destroying you and his precious princess, I am going to obliterate that nut job out of existence so I may continue my rule!”(I’m assuming the Crown is the crown Bowser has. I’m on chapter 2 of the video.)
Sorry for the lot of edits. I just have a bunch of ideas so I just added it onto my previous comment.
I cant believe i was late to this congratulations on the video
Can't wait for Paper Mario and the Sticky Wicket.
Since there is no Cricket Mario game..
8:02, so, a Dryer Bro?
I won’t deny that Paper Mario and the Sticker Comet is probably something I’d play if it ever came out (assuming no C&D’s from Nintendo). However, I can’t help but think-and I know I’m not the only one here to think this-that Miyamoto might’ve had a point when he said the game feels a little too similar to Thousand Year Door. I can’t fairly judge since I’ve never played Thousand Year Door, but I can draw a few too many similarities to what I know about that game to say that Sticker Comet is fully original in its own way. There’s only so many times a series can do the same thing over and over again before it eventually gets a bit stale. And with this video and the video on Dark Prognosticus, if these two games were what we got… well, it’d definitely be better if we got these, but it’d probably be a little… repetitive, maybe?
I don’t know, maybe there are less similarities than I saw in the video. I’m not saying the proposal if Sticker Comet is bad; ANYTHING is better than Sticker Star. And maybe this thought is coming from the fact that personally speaking, I actually enjoyed Super Paper Mario as a game; not as much as 64, I will admit, but I still found it fun. It felt kinda like a quick step off the main route. Something to shake things up a bit in the series before returning to what we know best. Like I said, I don’t hate the ideas on display here, and it’s clear to me you’ve put a lot of thought into this; as a writer myself, I can respect your desire (and success) to create a better story than Sticker Star’s.
That is fair, someone else brought up a similar point and I do agree that had both of these been what was actually released it could have gotten stale. I think Dark Prognosticus would have been safe especially with the swappable lead characters, but Sticker Comet is treading on thin ice. However this is something that is hard to judge on concept alone, because it doesn't take into account how everything is actually designed beyond a conceptual level. A lot of series on paper sound like each game would be pretty similar to each other, but when you play them they don't feel stale. Now I've only played one Mario and Luigi game, but from talking to friends and from what I've heard about them, people don't find them stale even though they stayed consistent with each other. If Mario and Luigi can do it, I think Paper Mario can do it.
@@TheRedGuy Rather then having to say most of what you said the best counter point is this.
Why is Mario Kart, 2D Mario, and Pokemon acceptable but not 4 Paper Marios?
Miyamoto used repetition as an excuse to force an agenda, not because it was an issue.
And his excuse was taken as a point in spite of everything else saying he is wrong.
@@Buglin_Burger7878I see what you mean, but let’s not forget: 2D Mario and Pokémon do have some sort of repetition problem. With 2D Mario, it’s obvious, since they did the same thing four times in a row. With Pokémon, the core of the battle system has not changed at all since Gen I. There’s been modifications and additions (three new Types have been added since Gen I for example), but at the core, it’s still the same game. There are no shortage of people-myself included-who want something fresh for those game series. With 2D Mario, it was Mario Wonder. With Pokémon, while we do have spin-offs like Mystery Dungeon, Gen X really needs to shake things up.
But also, to add on to your point, this is the 4th game in this series. The traditional battle style of the first two games was completely abandoned by the third game, while 2D Mario and Pokémon lasted much longer than a mere two games with the same formula. I get it, you gotta find a way to keep things fresh, but you gotta keep the original spirit. This? Yeah, it pretty much shattered that spirit like a vase, and it’s rare I say that…
I'd love to see this concept explored for Color Splash
Please make a video on reimagining Mario and Luigi Paper jam. It had so much potential, but it was wasted. I know that if Paper Jam was made at the peak of Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi, it would have been an amazing game.