Monks and Monasticism in the Anglican Tradition
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- The bones of the monastic hours can certainly be found in Cranmer's daily offices, but what influence did monasticism have on the development of Anglican theology? From St. Aidan's Lindisfarne community to Henry VIII's dissolution of the monasteries, asceticism played a significant role in the historical, political, and religious development of the theology of the Church in England. The Prayerbook assumes certain ascetic principles and abandons or ignores others. In this paper, I'd like to explore how early English monasticism reappears in the ethos of the prayer book and how medieval ascetic ideals and devotions are purged from the public and religious life of the church.
My short introduction - Reformed Monasticism: The Influence of English Asceticism on Prayer Book Spirituality Link on Amazon: www.amazon.com...
For Further Reading:
English Spirituality: An Outline of Ascetical Theology according to the English Pastoral Tradition by Martin Thornton
Link: amzn.to/3syVs6a
Story of Monasticism: Retrieving an Ancient Tradition for Contemporary Spirituality by Greg Peters
Link: amzn.to/3p4lsnS
A History of the Church in England by J. R. H. Moorman
Link: amzn.to/38WZg9y
The Tudor Constitution: Documents and Commentary
Link: amzn.to/39K8o0x
Great teaching. Makes traditional Anglicanism and BCP very appealing. Well done.
I am Augsburg Catholic but I sincerely enjoy listening to your videos lately. I can clean and walk and shower to this
Lmfao as another evangelical Catholic here I do the exact same thing 😂
I'd say Anglicanism and Lutheranism share a great deal of commonality in retaining much of the pre-Reformation Church
Fr. Macias,
Thank you again for a fantastic video. I love this analysis.
So now I ask: How can a person pray in this way today? Is it praying The Daily Office, Hours? The Book of Common Prayer? I'm an evangelical, so much of what I've been taught is that the best way to pray is only spontaneous to the exclusion of written prayer. Research links available or books? Thank you!
If you're interested in getting started with the Daily Office - I did a video tutorial here: th-cam.com/video/9RXa92juJO0/w-d-xo.html
This is so good👍🏽 Thank you, and God bless
I didnt know that Anglican also have monasticism like the catholic and orthodox. Good to learn.
Yep! (The Lutherans have a few orders too, I don't know that any other denominations do.)
@@sistermadrigalmorning233 are their nunneries too?
After the Reformation only collegiate church and cathedral canons were left as monastics though married in the Anglican church
If I, as an Atheist, were to walk into the Anglican church near my house and express an interest, or even that I feel a calling, in monasticism and taking a two year vow of silence and celibacy to devote myself to oil painting massive replicas of the old masters, and I am completely serious and have the talent and resolve to pull it off, will I be chastised or laughed out of there?
How Can one then become a monk in the anglican church
Typically you contact the Order and you'll discern for a period of time. Then you'll spend time as a Novice if your call is genuine before you take solemn vows after some time.
In The Episcopal Church we also have a version of Third Orders that operate much like traditional monks except members aren't bound by celibacy and can own their own home
Are there any monasteries in Anglican Church in USA?
TEC has quite a bit: SSJE, which is a religious order founded post-reformation; a few Benedictine monasteries (ex. St. Gregory's Abbey, Holy Cross Monastery); franciscans, etc.
Many!
Quite a few. The SSJE have a monastery in Cambridge MA. There's a Benedictine monastery in Michigan and the Order Of The Holy Cross in NY. There's also dispersed orders like the Companions of Our Lady of Walsingham, The Companions of St. Luke OSB, Third Order Franciscans, etc. These latter groups are called vowed communities but are more like non celibate Third Orders. There's also The Solitarites of DeKoven which are a hermit order. These groups are affiliated with The Episcopal Church. The ACNA when they split took a Benedictine monastery in North Carolina called Christ Mission ACNA
I am a messianic Jew/messianic Israelite. I recently learned that there are messianic Catholics. Are there messianic Anglicans?
No.
Actually started within Anglicanism but now wholly separate. I am Messianic Anglican though but unafilliated to a Messianic denomination. I still keep the beliefs
While I appreciate what Thomas Cranmer did in preserving monastic tradition through the prayer book, this did not save the church of England from falling into heresy, or ordaining, women, etc. I think that monastic groups should have a larger role in the Anglican church.
IMO, the ideal monastic is a the father who leads his family in daily scripture reading.
I am applying to become a Benedictine oblate
Although Episcopalian monasteries can seem extremely cult-like in that their churchmanship veers into ultra-papalism as opposed to being merely Anglo-Catholic they are inspected by so called Episcopal visitors or sympathetically Anglo-Catholic bishops who also affect the crypto-papist style of wearing vestments which would be considered in bad taste by the vast majority of protestant Episcopal broad church to evangelical members of that denomination.
Then also their vocations selection processes do not exactly inspire confidence and reek of the sort of abuses one would find in the more esoteric Roman Catholic foundations such as described in the recent book CLOISTERED by Catherine Coldstream which describes the grotesqueries prevalent in the female branch of the Carmelites in which nuns could be let go for the most frivolous, subjective and even whimsical reasons. Yet how does this differ from the entire Church of England, originally intended to be the national church of the English people but which has gradually deteriorated into a bourgeois cult whose chief contact with the people today is their control of some 30% of the elementary schools in England and throughout the United Kingdom.
So to be fair these few eccentrics who love to ape the mannerisms of Victorian Catholicism to an extent that they are routinely ridiculed by modern Roman Catholics persevere in their idiosyncrasies largely in isolation from the mainstream of their own denomination. To put this into perspective it needs to be appreciated that their dropout rate hovers somewhere around 90% so plainly most recruits to this curious lifestyle ultimately vote with their feet. But then Catholic monasteries typically do no better. The Eastern Orthodox foundations seem to do better especially at growing new English speaking monasteries such as the Russian Orthodox Skete for English speaking monks in West Virginia which got up to more than 25 monks in just a few years after its foundation.
Another way of looking at these few places is to consider that a substantial percentage of the inmates might actually have become homeless were they denied this refuge considering how apparently incompetent some or even many of them appear to be since one gets the distinct impression that the majority of the “monks” have somehow overlooked ever achieving typical milestones in personal development such as getting a driver’s license, completing their university educations, or even landing any sort of regular job not to mention never having dated women in the majority of cases.
So this begs the question are they truly voluntary celibates or have they historically been more like the forerunners of the current INCEL phenomenon? Of course once they have inevitably all been shuttered permanently it won’t really matter very much. Expect this last development to come to pass within the next generation as a near certainty. For that matter the Anglican Church itself is not predicted to survive past mid century.
Don't forget Elijah and his school of the prophets.
Why don’t you just become orthodox?
Would be extremely cool to have English Rite Orthodoxy
We are a Western Church that loves our Augustinian heritage.
@@FrSteveMacias you can do that while being Orthodox….
@@matthewhamstein3811 Just pray for Fr. Steve and his congregation. There is no need to ask such an obvious question. Fr. Steve seems like a very learned man of God, I’m sure he’s looks into both Eastern Orthodox Churches as well as their western rites. I’m not saying your question is invalid but I’m questioning the fashion in which you are asking.
I love that Steve particularly values the traditions of the Church in its earliest days, but also values the truths that the church has learned throughout all history. Too many Protestants ignore the ancient ways, but Steve incorporates it while also value of the truths of the Reformation and afterward.. he truly lives out that the Holy Spirit is working and has been active throughout the entire history of the church up to today.
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“Saint Thomas Cranmer” 😆
Oops. 🙃
@@FrSteveMacias not an oops. He is the patron saint of a parish I attended
Lol unbelievable
@@FrSteveMacias but seriously Father, this was an excellent video. Thanks for taking the time.
@@gallionade - appreciate it. It was based on a paper I recently submitted for a grad school project.
Good video, but I really disagree.
In what way?
@@FrSteveMacias I mean for Monasticism, I was in belief from reading Cranmer that he did not "Believe in it" and wanted to strip it down to it's basic ( Liturgy of the hours for example and the role of monks and nuns?) Correct me if i am off. Thanks!
@@dwightschrute900 - It is an interesting issue. Cranmer was Archbishop during the dissolution, but it should be known that he wasn't anti-monasticism. He wrote a brave letter to Cromwell (who was in charge of dissolution) in 1535, attempting to halt the persecution of the Carthusians.
Cranmer advised Cromwell to persuade them to submit rather than punish them. Cranmer, in fact, offered his services: “And if it would please the king’s highness to send them unto me, I suppose I could do very much with them in this behalf.”
@@FrSteveMacias Do you have any sources i could look up and read about? thanks for the response
I first read about Cranmer's relationship to the Monastery in a Christianity Today Article by Paul Ayris (Issue 48: Thomas Cranmer & the English Reformation, 1995)
The quote to Cromwell is from his "CXLIII to Crumwell" and his collected works are online on Google books: www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Thomas_Cranmer/tYzZAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=And+if+it+would+please+the+king%E2%80%99s+highness+to+send+them+unto+me,+I+suppose+I+could+do+very+much+with+them+in+this+behalf.%E2%80%9D&pg=PA303&printsec=frontcover
There's no such thing as Anglican monasticism! Deluded
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@@FrSteveMacias I thought getting rid of the monasteries in England was a bad idea.
u r overly repetitive
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