Why Anglo-Catholicism?
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Anglican Catholic Church (G3) here. What some see as “incoherence”, I see, as you state, the ability to draw from the best of the Church Catholic. The great hope in Continuing Anglicanism is remaining true to the faith delivered once for all to the Saints while allowing for a great many background to enrich it from the best of Christianity.
I hope Anglo Catholicism picks up steam. Like the rest of the Protestant churches, Anglicanism is under tremendous pressure to abandon tradition and embrace the world. I hope more will follow the path of the Oxford Movement, and rejuvenate traditional Christianity in England. God bless.
I've considered Anglo-Catholic church, but it doesn't make sense that your guys accept the Catholic Canon (which I agree with, as I am currently Catholic) but deny Purgatory.
@@TruLuan Some do, some don’t, or hold more of an Eastern Orthodox view, or even a more indefinite view (somewhat like C.S. Lewis). It really does vary in definition, but the idea is floating around out there.
It’s addressed briefly by Haverland in Anglican Catholic Faith and practice, and by Munn in his main book on Anglo-Catholicism. May God give all of us light to see clearly where we can-I hate the separation, and praying that one day reunion may be effected.
I was confirmed in the ACC 3 years ago. It is a blessed communion. But it is certainly in schism with the church catholic. In the past month, after years of consideration, prayer, and fasting, I moved my family to the local Ordinariate parish in the Catholic Church. We are being received into full communion next month. We feel like we are finally coming home! Not arguing against ACC, they led me to Christ and His Church!
@@neolawyer7110 I understand. God’s blessings on you all!
This was truly a beautiful explanation of Anglo-Catholicism. I myself am new to it and just started attending with a parish of the Anglican Province of Christ the King. This video might prove very helpful to explain what Anglo-Catholicism is.
My son and I started attending an Anglo-Catholic church just before Christmas. We've fit in well and my son's asked the priest if he can be confirmed so now waiting for the bishop to find a spot for later in the year.
This was a very good video. Very insightful. I am glad I could see your outlook on these things.
this explains perfectly why I was drawn to Anglo-Catholicism; I love being able to explore a larger variety of aspects to Christianity as there's no prejudice. It makes me feel closer to God because I get to read, experience and believe more than I would if I were limited to just one denomination
Very good approach and... actually uncommon for Anglo Catholics to make. Thank you of that wisdom!
Thanks for this. I was due to be confirmed in the RCC but didn’t go ahead for reasons you’ve stated. I’m due to start attending an Anglo Catholic Church, here in the UK, and look forward to applying this into my life. Keep the faith brother
Bless you, my friend!
Man is created to praise, reverence, and serve God our Lord, and by this means to save his soul.
And the other things on the face of the earth are created for man and that they may help him in prosecuting the end for which he is created.
From this it follows that man is to use them as much as they help him on to his end, and ought to rid himself of them so far as they hinder him as to it.
For this it is necessary to make ourselves indifferent to all created things in all that is allowed to the choice of our free will and is not prohibited to it; so that, on our part, we want not health rather than sickness, riches rather than poverty,honor rather than dishonor, long rather than short life, and so in all the rest; desiring and choosing only what is most conducive for us to the end for which we are created
The Catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC), quoting Vatican II, says the following: “God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.” (1730) God doesn’t force us to seek and love him; it is something that he has left us free to do..
The word pray is Old English which means "to ask". If you can ask your boss for a raise, and talk to your guardian angels....how much more beneficial it would be to ask the saints in heaven and Mary and Jesus for their prayers and intercession.
Jesus came to heal the wound of original sin - death.
You can be either Anglican or Catholic, but not both and not half `n half.
"I would that you were hot or cold, but because you are lukewarm I will vomit you out of my mouth"
(Apocalypse)
@@alhilford2345
That’s not what Christ is talking about 🙄
WHT would you not want to be in FULL communion with Christ's Church? You were almost there and instead of going to a Catholic apologist, you decided to sell.yourself short by remaining in schism. We'll always be here for you.
Thank-you. This is the direction I am moving.
Very well said and on point !! Thank you for sharing your invaluable view
Great video. I fall into the Anglo Catholic wing within TEC(former Roman Catholic). I definitely have seen the defensive ways of arguing of what they are not from Rome, Orthodoxy and some confessional Protestants.
I like the more or less openess of the Anglo Catholics of taking what's good from the Catholic world, the Reformed world and to a degree the Orthodox world. Coming from a Roman Catholic background, its helped me settle in to the Anglican tradition.
You might be interested in our new group, the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal in restoring TEC.
@@wesmorgan7729 Redeemed Zoomer? I was involved previously but went my own way. Thanks but no thanks
I am an Anglo-Catholic in my 70s. The A-C Church is my real home. All that I have heard here accords with my feelings precisely. I live in an isolated place, have no car, and walk with some difficulty. The current state of the C.of E. distresses me greatly, and the more so since our church has been taken over by low church Anglicans. I feel lost and alienated. But what to do? As my life moves towards its close, I am bereft of the comforts and consolations that once I took for granted. I'm in an uncomfortable place.
@brucehamilton5609 Sorry to burst your bubble but Low Churchmen are the actual minority in the Church of England and Anglicanism in general.
The majority are Broad or Central Churchmen with Anglo-Catholics or High Churchmen coming in second place.
@@johnpolitis7929 Most in my part of Kent are lower than a snake's belly. Living 3 years in London recently, I had to travel quite a distance to find an Anglo-Catholic church. I wouldn't know where to go for data. Where did you get yours? From my experience, I'd say low to broad church are the rule...
@@brucehamilton5609 From reading Anglican Church history books. Since the Oxford Movement, the Low Church is now a minority.
Most Anglican churches in colonial America used to resemble Presbyterian ones, but since 1833, they in post-colonial America are now the minority and most Episcopalian parishes resemble Lutheran or Catholic ones.
Most churches do not celebrate using the North End of the Table or have the pulpit or preaching as the main focal point of worship.
Since the Oxford Movement in England, there are more parishes that are Anglo-Catholic(High Church) or Central Church(Broad Church) than Evangelical(Low Church) Anglican.
The only place where Low Churchmanship is predominant today is Church of Ireland in Ireland or Northern Ireland or like Sydney Australia that is Evangelical stronghold that forbids the chasuble even for Anglo-Catholics under it.
I identify as Anglo-Orthodox myself. I believe in a few Orthodox theological concepts, but disagree with their hardline stances on a lot of social issues.
Great video. This is the first time I watch your videos and I'm interested to know what kind of Anglo-catholic would you describe yourself with? From your video I know for sure you are not a Anglo-Papalist but not too sure about the rest. Prayer Book Catholic? Tractarian? Laudian? Mere Ritualist? Or simply Broad Church?
Prayer Book Catholic would probably be closest.
After 4 years of searching into the orthodox and Catholic Churches from a Presbyterian background, I’m so thankful to have found the Anglican Church. I thought they were all apostate and woke. I am ever grateful for those holding the line for orthodoxy.
Well to take the first potentially controversial issue, the Filioque was introduced to England at the Council of Hatfield under the presidency of St Theodore in 680. Where do you stand on this?
This was helpful, thank you! I’ve landed in the Anglican tradition, myself being theologically Anglo-Orthodox I suppose, having been influenced by the Eastern theological tradition. However, while I’m drawn to a rich sacramental and mystical theology, I’m ecumenical and can’t accept the exclusive claims of RC, EO or even some Protestant traditions
We are very close, then. I would also consider myself closer to the East in many respects.
Hello recently found your video. I am curious if you would have a video that provides some definition for: "What is an Anglo Catholic?"
Is that to mean perhaps that you are part if the Anglican church? Or Roman Catholic church?
As an Anglo-catholic, how do you reconcile certain parts of the 1662 BCP with certain doctrines common in Anglo catholic churches e.g. physical presence or spiritual presence of Christ in the Eucharist? Are you bound to the doctrines within the 1662 BCP or is there flexibility? Asking as an Anglican who is interested in Anglo catholic thought.
Historically, that book was written during the English civil War period and well before the Oxford movement.
There have been many attempts to update the "official English BCP" to look similar to the 2019 ACNAs but since there are so many factions and the political correctness factor.
Newer BCPs have a broader allowance for different theological views
Many Anglican churches have evolved from the 1662. For example, the US has the 1928, Canada's 1962, Ireland's 1926, Scotland's 1929 and South Africa's 1954 and they've evolved in a more Anglo-Catholic direction. And many Anglo-Catholics use the Missal as well which is licit given they're based on the BCP as well
@@redknightsr69The o.riginal 1549 BCP was written under the influence of Zwingli by Thomas Cranmer . See Gregory Dix "The Shape of the Liturgy".
Nobody believes in a "physical" presence, only a substantial presence of Christ in the elements of bread and wine.
@@Acek-ok9dp good point
Finally. I've found someone else where my mind, faith, and conscience dwells. God bless you.
Glad to have you here! Blessings!
This Via Media is how we can follow the example of St Paul who thought it expedient that he become all things to all people, that he might win all the more to Christ🙏🏻
The first thing to think about is an often overlooked fact. All of the Reformers were baptised by Roman Catholic priests and confirmed by Roman Catholic bishops. The Protestant Churches in England (Anglican) were built and consecrated by Roman Catholics. On day one of being Reformed every single member of the Church was baptised and confirmed as a Roman Catholic.
Another thing to think about is few read Calvin's Institutes. If you do you find very many quotations from Church Fathers. This the Reformation at its best is a thought experiment within Catholicism that Catholicism wasn't able to contain.
Obviously over time there are still points of contention but if we look today they are much less severe and less indicative of the need for rupture.
Sorry I just found your video from 7- months ago! Very good explanation! I agree!
Thank you for this video. I am to be confirmed next month after being raised SBC and being away from the church. I knew coming back, I could not choose sides across invisible lines.
Great video, I go to a Church of England church that would be considered high church. I consider myself and Anglo Catholic.
💯 agree with what you have said. Just subscribed and looking forward to watching more of your vids 👍
You will see a perfect example of this in Corpus Christi by E.L. Mascall, who was a priest and theologian of the Church of England. I highly recommend the book.
I also recommend Anglican Dogmatics by Francis J Hall, who was a priest in The Episcopal Church in the early 20th century. Both are the height of Anglican (Anglo-Catholic) theologians.
I own and love both of those books! The best!
As someone still trying to decide whether Anglo-Catholicism or Roman Catholicism is more suitable for me (I grew up charismatic/Pentecostal), I'll definitely check out these books! Thanks @Jeremy Goodwin and @Jonah M. Saller!
@@joshcooldudeyeah I'd also suggest reading "The Petrine Claims" by Richard Frederick Littledale and "A Different Faith" by Edward Bouverie Pusey. Both are some of the best works against Rome from an Anglo-Catholic perspective.
I agree that many Protestants define themselves by what they are not. Protestant doctrinal statements specifically define themselves in opposition to other traditions. But Catholicism seems to not define itself solely in opposition to other groups. You may get many Catholics who define themselves in opposition to Protestantism, but Catholic doctrinal statements don’t define themselves in opposition to Protestantism. To your point on Catholicism, Catholicism can often come close to Calvinism and theologians within the Church will admit to at at times.
I just think Roman Catholics are far more wary of conceding Protestant points than Anglo-Catholics might be.
Amen! I could easily find a home in Anglo-Catholicism, I've been affiliated with Reformed and Presbyterian churches all my life, but I'm also very sympathetic with other traditions including Roman Catholicism, and I consider myself an Anglican at heart. I have a unique job situation in that I work part time at a Presbyterian church and part time at a Roman Catholic church. I've been involved in music at both churches, and I have good friends at both churches. I love the traditional Catholic liturgy, but it saddens me that they don't allow Protestants to partake of the Eucharist. Lately I have been following St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Philadelphia on TH-cam, and I love their liturgy. I want to drive 15 hours to Philadelphia just to visit that church!
The Anglican tradition, when done well, is truly beautiful!
Well, that’s new to me. I was a Baptist and later presbyterian and now I’m working my way toward Anglo-Catholicism.
Would the Episcopal Church in the US fit within you framework? I am geographically far removed from an Anglo-Catholic church.
Check out the Anglican Province in America, their website has a parish locator that includes parishes from the Anglican Church in America as well as the Anglican Catholic Church. Those are the most likely to have a parish in any given area.
@@Booger414 thank you very much. 🙏👍
I found one in Alto Georgia. That about fifty miles from me. Thank you!
So would you say that the physical and visible institution of Christ’s Church on earth is Anglo-Catholicism or would you disagree with that?
I would hold to a form of branch theory.
@@merecatholicity what’s that?
Are you aware of the work of Bishop Alexander Penrose Forbes' work on a Catholic interpretation of the Thirty Nine Articles? He was a friend of Pusey and Bishop of Brechin, Scotland.
You make some excellent points
How do Anglo catholics view Greek orthodox?
Thank you for this great explanation! this opened my eyes to what might be the denomination that is closest to the truth
Ask a professed Anglo-Catholic, what Bible translation do you prefer? Study Bible?
I like KJV, RSV, and ESV. The ESV Study Bible and the Orthodox Study Bible are my go-to.
@@merecatholicity I have both study bibles and they are great.
There are no Anglo Catholic parishes near me other than an episcopal church in the next town who’s priest chants the liturgy on certain days.
My heart is Anglican but the closest thing I have is a Global Methodist church I preach in when the pastors need me.
I still use the prayer books and pray the rosary.
I was wondering if you've interacted with Ryan Reeves video on the history of the Oxford movement where he appears to...not necessarily go against the Tractarian beliefs, but rather, it appears he says, that the Tractarian movement's claims are ahistorical.
I have not. I will have to check that out before I can comment on the ahistorical claim.
@@merecatholicity maybe Im miswording his position it’s been a while since I’ve watched the video so don’t quote me haha. Here’s the video link: th-cam.com/video/UO86whQl6Kg/w-d-xo.html
But one instance is that he says the position of the Tractarians are not a “rediscovery” of the origins of the Anglican Church but rather a re-interpretation. In other words it appears that he holds to the idea that the Tractarians going above n beyond (or contradict) of what Anglicanism teaches in resources like let’s say the 39 Articles.
@@catholicgabe2876 Oh, I agree that the Tractarians reject the Anglican Church as it was articulated by the Reformers in some areas. But I do think Anglo-Catholicism reflects the English Church prior to the Reformation, which I believe is most important.
@@merecatholicity understood!
Which deuterocanonical books do the Anglo-Catholics accept?
All that Rome has in their canon.
@@merecatholicity So then do Anglican's believe in Purgatory and indulgences then? Those are both pretty clear in the Dueterocaonical books.
@@TruLuanPurgatory yes, indulgence yes but may be slightly different understanding.
@@CYC_JP Could you explain how it may be different? Also do you guys believe in the real presence of Christ in the eucharist?
I think God is doing something across all Christian traditions in the coming years. Maybe a John 17 style reformation, yet I have no idea what that would look like
I didn’t know you were part of the ACC! :) maybe you’re not but just making a video about it. But I am a part of the ACC :) drop your city and state so I can visit you guys someday. I am in Newport Beach, California at St. Mathews Newport Beach and we are a part of the ACC as well. I just found your channel. Drop a link to your church so I can vist someday! Keep fighting the good fight brudtha 🙏🏼🤙🏼
I'm in an Anglo-Catholic society in the ACNA. So not the ACC, but I have great respect for them!
@@merecatholicity oh cool! Well thanks for posting this video lead me to your channel:) keep fighting the good fight brother! 🤙🏼🙏🏼
Growth in faith requires struggle, as it does in all endeavours of growth.
Why is the Screen shot a photo of an Orthodox priest ?
Love where your heart is at my friend❤️💎
Bless you, bro. I think of you and pray for you often!
I love Roman Catholicism but attend a more Anglo-Catholic Episcopal Church. RC was driving me batty with the endless droning on about contraception. Add the fact priests are not allowed to marry caused me to attend Episcopal services. Like the emphasis on individual reasoning. I sort of miss the statues the gravitas Marion devotions and especially Confession. Hoping the Episcopalians adopt some of these or the Catholic Church reforms itself.
You may want to look into Continuing Anglican Churches as the Episcopal churches are liberal and allow un-biblical practices such as female priests
I think some of that depends on the church, in the UK I’ve been to several Anglo-Catholic that are strong on Marian devotion and imagery
all very well, but the 39 Articles are do not represent the first time that the church has moved on from a position (or positions) based in the worldview and politics of the moment. Some of the Articles are fine, some are combative, and some are unabashed Calvinism with which modern-day Presbyterians are uncomfortable. Point is, we can leave the 39 Articles to rot on the vine, just as the Romans quietly done with the condemnation of Galileo and the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
I appreciate the eclecticism, but this eclectic approach must be in accordance with some creedal or confessional standard in Anglicanism. Otherwise, "Anglican" or "Anglo-Catholic" are just empty terms where anything can be thrown in and shaken nicely, which results in whatever.
One can be open but there must be creedal and confessional boundaries that direct and limit the eclectic scope.
a minute and thirty seconds in and I'm already convinced XD. I'm reformed, but have great respect for Confessional Anglicans
42 articles of Thomas Cranmer is a better interpretation of anglo-catholicism, but the Oxford movement did the best they could to correct errors of the Elizabethians' compromise
I don’t understand your logic behind that we should be able to question confessions because they are “the words of men”, but we can’t for the creeds and councils?
The creeds and councils were determined by the ecumenical church. Confessions, while important, were created by local synods and communions, not the ecumenical church. Therefore, they are subordinate to the greater authority.
@@merecatholicity Can the first 7 councils be truly ecumenical if not all are recognized by branches such as Oriental Orthodox? What makes something truly ecumenical?
@@Particularly_John_Gill Well, first it has to be consistent with the theology of Holy Scripture, second it must claim to speak for the whole Church, and third (and most importantly) it must be received overtime by the majority of the Church, which all seven have. You don't necessarily need every bishop to affirm the teaching of a council if the above three criteria are met-as I would argue all seven councils met.
ok im a catholic, and im confused. Are these like sub-denomanations?
Amazing video the camera quality is really good
also: nice to see a protestant having marian devotion
Anglo-Catholicism is a churchmanship within Anglicanism characterized by conservative theology that seeks continuity with the English tradition of the first thousand years of church history.
Confused?
Of course!
The devil is the father of confusion.
"Anglo-Catholic" is not Catholic.
It is Protestant.
@@alhilford2345 With all due respect, papalists don’t have a monopoly on the use of the term “catholic”
High and Dry. Biblical, patristic, traditional Anglican liturgy with an austere ethic for religious art and music, a mild mannered arminianism, and especially reverent. Updated with gentle reforms to liturgy, a full throated acceptace of science, welcoming to all people, meeting our fellow Christians with the kiss of peace, our non-Christian brothers with a loving embrace. I think many would be at home with this, orthodox and traditional yet accepting of all people who profess Christ is Lord, and science ain't wrong. C S Lewis and the Orthodox Church taught me Christianity. Luther and Wesley brought me to high protestantism. The 1928 bcp together with the metaphysical poets, William Law, Hooker the cambridge platonists and good old Queen Bess (and the doctrine of comprehension) brought me, well, to the church of my ancestors.
I don't understand - if you mix all these traditions then you end up with mud not clear understanding
The problem is seeing them as all different traditions. That is a sectarian mindset. As an Anglican Catholic, I hold to the truth of the ancient church which includes aspects of the various local expressions.
@@merecatholicity So why not just go Greek ( or Eastern) Orthodox since that is the original church? I'm no expert but before there was Protestants there was Catholics and before that there was Catholics and Orthodox Christians and before that there was just Christians, AKA Orthodox Christians. Based on my limited knowledge at least, Anglo-Catholic is a mix of post reformation concepts that tries to somehow undo the reformation without changing anything other than it's outward appearance. I don't mean any offence but correct me if I'm wrong.
Anglicanism is not a mixed church it’s a traditional apostolic church.
Could you please define "Roman Catholic"
How does it differ from regular Catholic?
One in the same. But, just saying Catholic is simpler. The head is in Rome, but we are Catholic.
@@Lepewhi:
Thank you for the response.
I wonder if any Protestants will try to answer.
I'm Catholic too, and I cringe when I hear "Roman" Catholic because I know that there is no such thing.
It's too bad that this Protestant slur, this insult, which was coined as a derogatory term, along with Papist and RC, has even been adopted by some Catholics.
There are Catholics who dont agree with Vatican council too, people like Mel.Gibson who are non Roman but Catholic. There are such parishes who still follow the Latin mass and dont agree with some recent changes made .
Please keep in mind there are non-Roman Catholics who are in communion with the Pope. Example: Chaldean Catholics or Byzantine Catholics. Their rites and liturgy are not Roman or western but they are Catholics united with Rome
@@CircusofPython Also, in Ancient times Ireland was Catholic but not Roman Catholic as they were for a time an Autocephalous Catholic Church with their own Liturgical Rites and Canon Law. But many thanks for recognizing that Greek Catholic are in Full Communion with Rome but are not Roman Catholic! I have a Greek Catholic friend that is very much offended by the Arogant Roman Catholics that somehow beleive they are the Whole Church. The Pride and Arrogance of Western Catholicism is beyond belief and must be deeply offensive to Christ. The Catholic Church is bigger than the Roman Catholic Church!
The very Bishops that wrote the part of the Creed, "I believe in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, Church". Weren't Roman Catholic. Mary the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos was never a Roman Catholic. Why do Roman Catholics hate the other Catholic Churches so much that they don't even wish to acknowledge they exist?
I’m a Roman Catholic looking into Anglo Catholicism out of curiosity because I love the Anglican Breviary and Anglican Office Book, but why would having doctrinal flexibility ever be a good thing? The average Catholic may have a polemical and political-cultural reason for rejecting Protestant doctrines simply because they are “Protestant”, but the Church declares these teachings to be heretical (and cannot change her teachings), on reasonable and authoritative grounds (which she draws from the apostolic tradition and history), not on a personal perspective alone. Reform can never happen in the fundamentals… otherwise you wouldn’t have historical continuity in the Apostolic Tradition. But how we talk about things, how we understand the fundamentals (but not in ways that contradict the tradition), even how we do very important things like liturgy, can be reformed… but never in contradiction with what was passed down. If you say you don’t have a problem with dogma like you mention towards the end of the video, then that’s there in the Catholic Church. Dogma with serious and open discussion (albeit in a hair on fire kind of way since Vatican 2 and the preceding reform movement) about what can and should change.
You should look into the Anglican Ordinariate in the Catholic Church.
Former Catholic, discerning between Lutheranism and Anglicanism... this video has been very helpful. Thank you, and God bless.
So you left the one true Church?
@alhilford2345 so it's this uncharitable inquisition that has led me to question the validity of Rome's claims. God's Church would not be focused on institutional glory but rather the Glory of God.
Furthermore, a response like this is not how to bring separated brethren back to the fold. I have a ton of love for the Catholic Church, my Catholic brethren, its philosophy, theology, and intellectual heritage. But I can not agree with certain doctrines that I find are neither Biblical nor Traditional.
Based on your reply, I would not like to engage in a conversation with you, however. And I mean this with the utmost respect, I feel there will be little productivity to be had in it. Based on the sarcasm and inquisitorial response to my initial comment. I can dialogues with all walks of life, but Richard Dawkins, Taylor Marshall, Jay Dyer, James White School of debating, is not edifying nor does it lead to people seeing God's Salvific Grace and the Beauty of His Love. Just because I am leaving the Catholic Church does not mean that I prefer a person to remain an atheist than be Catholic. On the contrary, embrace Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or Protestantism. Find Jesus. Have a relationship with Him. Just because I didn't agree with Catholic Dogma and Doctrine doesn't mean I reject anyone who does agree with it. If people find it easier to find Jesus in Catholicism, then by all means. Once there we can have our friendly disagreements, but still recognizing the all-important truth: Christ is King, Jesus is Lord, He is Risen, He Wants to Save You.
@@thoughtfulchristianity:
My response was not intended to be uncharitable, just a simple question.
You don't appear to be denying that the Catholic Church is the one true Church, but simply that you cannot agree with some of its doctrines.
When I left the Reformed Baptist movement after 20+ years I considered Anglicanism but found too many micro synods so I went Lutheran. Wow, the local LCMS is simply amazing, "the western Catholic church purified by the Gospel!" I am not an Augsburg Catholic, orthodox Protestant and catholic Christian.
Tell us about Anglo catholic without talking about RCC.
Amen. This is great. I consider myself a Reformed Catholic, as described by Peter Leithart in The End of Protestantism, but I appreciate much about the Anglo-Catholic tradition. Your argument here regarding true catholicity and ability to reform is probably one of the more stronger arguments for Anglo-Catholicism.
I'd take issue with the very last thing you said, however. A high church liturgy, of any tradition, is really drawing from 4th century or later developments, which is fine. But an Anglo-Catholic mass is certainly not what was happening in Corinth in the first century, for example. Vestments are development, which is fine. Incense is a development, which is fine. There are all kinds of liturgical developments over time, which is fine. But these developments are not reflective of primitive Christianity. My main source for saying such things comes from an Anglo-Catholic monk, Dom Gregory Dix, and his Shape of the Liturgy.
incense is described in the book of revelation
In many ways vestments are a devotional aid. I remember way to many years ago, learning about the vestments and what each piece represented, in a historical context. Not that we dwell on any of this during a mass, but all these things come together in beauty and love as an aid to worship.
I left the Southern Baptist Church because mine actually went woke. I returned to Anglo Catholicism, as it is like the Episcopal church of my youth but with honoring true scriptures.
Worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness...that's why I'm an Anglo-Catholic
Has anybody taken the time to actually ask Jesus Christ Himself what He likes and why He likes them?
Excellent summary. Thank you so much. I’m about to be ordained a deacon in the Anglican Catholic Church. I was so glad that you added that last part about our having doctrinal standards. We are not a free-for-all. The seven Ecumenical Councils (which also affirmed a number of local councils), Holy Scripture, and the traditions of the undivided Church are the core of our faith. And what I love about the Councils is that they are focused on our Lord Jesus Christ. Protestants will speak of the need for being “Christ-centered.” The Councils are certainly that. And I agree completely that several of the other Christian churches which you mentioned do often suffer from the “brand name” problem. Certain doctrines e.g. original sin and the atonement (I mention these because they have been deep areas of study for me) are often expressed in such a way that contradicts clear statements of the Fathers and the Councils. Why? Because they are determined to say something (no matter how incorrect) that is different from the Catholics or the Calvinists. They strive to make all of their doctrines to be unique, or have a unique spin over against the “enemy.” But the problem is that in doing this, sometimes rightly correcting an excess, they throw out “babies with the bath water.” Of course this happened a lot at the time of the Reformation. In any case, thank you again for your spot on video. Blessings to you.
God bless your ordination!
Love those councils. Especially in Nicaea 2, for example, that anathematizes any person that doesn't bow down and kiss images.
@@GabrielWithoutWingsSo . . . Is this sarcasm? If so, what exactly is the problem with the anathemas?
@@IHSACC
You think a person should be accursed for not bowing and kissing icons and statues?
@@GabrielWithoutWingsCertainly at the time of the Council. However, I do think that God understands and is patient with the realities of an utterly fragmented Christian landscape that has come about as the result of the Reformation and it’s aftermath. I will leave that up to the Almighty and the bishops/leaders of the jurisdictions that accept or don’t accept the Councils. But I would also say that the issues are weighty and significant, and we ignore them at our peril. Read St. John of Damascus on the issue of images. But the more important issue is that the Council is right, 1. because it is an Ecumenical Council. 2 It is clearly line with the principles of Scripture and the preceding tradition, just as the Council explains.
Anglo-Catholic (APCK) for a more reverent observance of Jesus Christ.
Because you can be anything
Martin Luther would have to be a self-made prophet, because I don’t remember any story of Gabriel telling him which pieces to pick and choose from the Bible or what of the Roman Catholic Church to keep or discard when he made a new religion.
Are gay Anglo-Catholics required to be celibate?
Then why is this tradition so limited, at least in the developed world, to gay ext evangelicals and ex-Catholics? It's overwhelmingly composed of refugees from other, lower socio-economic traditions. You don't seem able to pass this down to other generations.
A church FOR the poor, not OF them.
Have you ever even tried to begin to listen to James White's actual complaints about the new Thomism movement? Or are you just blindly believing the polemical, straw manning screams from the other side? There's a lot I disagree with White about, but, "He's a dirty Roman Catholic," is a slanderously inaccurate representation of what he has been saying about Thomas.
I have, and it shows that he has never tried to understand Thomas' thought or theology at all.
@@crossvilleengineering1238 Someone doesn't have to have a PhD to be capable of speaking words that aren't what someone else is claiming they are saying.
In other words you are your own pope.
Lukewarm, pick and choose without taking the bible as a whole. Jesus sacrifice was enough for salvation.
Just like it says in James eh?
@@Durnyful It depends if you use it in its context, yes. But first and second Corinthians shows when man play with the Lord's Words and make their own true authority.
@derikdarkwell9200 I can't say I find the dichotomy made between faith & works much use. For sure, without faith you cannot please God but without works accompanying your faith you just have mental ascent, no better than the demons!
For sure, works alone cannot save, faith alone cannot save... the historical view of the early church
@@Durnyful Faith alone saves as for the thief was the first to make it to heaven, but it is all a matter of the heart. Works bring you just better status in heaven. Only God knows what is in the heart of man.
Mark left and came back, but Demas no mention he came back. Does anyone think you can lose salvation, meaning that Jesus death wasn't enough?
@derikdarkwell9200 picking an exception to try to prove a rule is not sound. Jesus sacrifice is a gift you acquire by faith and then work out with fear and trembling. The aim of Christianity is for us to take on the character of Christ, you can't do that without action stemming from your faith. To make these a dichotomy is error.
Not sure this really flies. How do you judge where 'mistakes' in doctrine have been made? It's just subjective, logic & reason don't cut it in matters of faith. Its worth noting the cultural differences east & west. The church was born in the east so what was originally handed down had an Eastern ethos, hence the emphasis on mystery.
When I survey the church starting from Pentacost the only one I see that has remained consistent & withstood the winds of politics & culture over the long run (meaning millenea) is the Eastern Orthodox church. RCC has unilaterally changed various aspects, Anglicanism is in very deep waters indeed varying between a liberal faith with no tie to historical christianity at all & the Charismatic wing like its non-denominational counterparts seems to have forgotten that Satan masquerades as an angel of light - all has become subjective with little reference to scripture (despite their sola scriptura claims). I've watched that progress over the last 30 years... a ship adrift. I certainly agree that elitism resulting from espousing one's own choice & passing any kind of judgement on 'others' is very ugly indeed but it seems to be pretty pervasive.
Or you could join the Ordinariate, and be Catholic.
@PadraigTomas How about pre-Tridentine Roman Catholicism or Medieval Catholicism, not Tridentine Catholicism instead. How about the Sarum Use instead of the Tridentine Mass or the New Mass.
Because of Anglicanism's final Elizabethan repudiation of the authentic priesthood, their ministers are not ordained in the Apostolic priestly succession, and so can not celebrate the authentic Eucharist; the Apostolic succession can not be restored merely by an act of will or wishful thinking, but only by ordination from a valid Apostolic-descended bishop.
Exactly!
Why all the gay Anglos catholic clergy?
Why the gay clergy anywhere? Sin, apostasy, etc.
I do appreciate your effort to explain Anglo-Catholicism. However, there are a number of deep flaws in your presentation. Most notably, it is the constant refrain of "my faith", "my belief", etc. You have essentially set yourself up as arbiter, choosing what beliefs suit you and which do not. That is an essentially Protestant attitude to the faith, as far from Catholicism as Thomas Aquinas is from Menon Simons. Second, you claim to be able to "reform" your beliefs. Well, if that is the case, why on earth would we believe anything today if you tell me tomorrow it may change, and we shall all need to repent? Either something is true - because it has been revealed through the Church's teaching authority - or it is not.
The video is about why HE is Anglo-Catholic. It's his witness.
I really do think this is just papist nonsense you're spouting here. So, stop doing that.
@@MisterDevel Yes, sir! 😁😁
Nothing like a Papist explaining to everyone else what they believe.
It's so obnoxious, that every video, has some Papist or Orthobro telling you what your Church believes. I tend to believe I know more about my Church than the dude who converted to being a Papist two years ago.
@@Manpayi Didn't realise that calling Christian brethren offensive names was agreeable to Our Lord and Saviour.
Council of Trent ,” imputed righteousness is an anathema”.
You could go through a list of other issues.
The Roman Catholic Church has a false Gospel.
We need to preach the true Gospel to these lost people.
A false gospel ?
Please explain.
@@alhilford2345 Galatians chapter 1.
@@alhilford2345Have you peace with God if you need an Alter Christus to give you your last rites?
If only that doctrine had developed in the first 1000 years of the church! I guess the church fathers just didn't understand what they were reading 🤔
@@Durnyfulif you read Christian history ,you would realise your claim is wrong.
PLEASE COME HOME TO THE FULLNESS OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH YOUR SYMBOL SERVICES WILL BECOME THE EUCARIST ENOUGH REPENT NOW LISTEN TO THE HEART OF JESUS HE PRAYED WE WILL ONE ENOUGH OF THE FLUFF
So, it doesn't come down to the TRUTH, for you, but what appeals to you. Why would a church that has the full truth want to reform its doctrine? How do YOU know when you have something right or wrong? Is your judgement infallible? Not being supercilious, here, just trying to understand. You seem to profess, as most modern Christians do, a cafeteria notion of the faith. You reject the pope, yet make yourself one. Is King Charles the head of your church?
By your account, everyone makes themselves pope at least one time when they decide whether or not they will be Roman Catholic. Individual choices will always be made, and this is and always will be the worst argument for Rome. You made the choice at least once, arguably everyday you learn of a new doctrine, dogma, or resolution you feel mixed thoughts against.
Some Roman Catholics were excommunicated after the new Marion dogmas in the 20th centuries. The Roman Catholic are actually the ones who excommunicated the Church of England, because they didn't recognize the primacy of the papacy. Technically, it was Queen Elizabeth, but same result. Why not treat them the same as the eastern churches? Why such harsh response?
Was it the Church of England excommunicated or was King Henry the 8th excommunicated and then was made illegal to be a Catholic after that point! King confiscated church’s, monasteries amongst other properties all cause illegal marriage. So he made himself head. Pride and lust!
@@cyphus5sure individual choices are made all the time, but as a Catholic I can not look on views of another church . I can only follow the Views of Catholic Church. Catholic means universal and universal means only one view, not 60,000 views. Things can be reformed in the universal church but only from the inside. King Henry the 8th was named the defender of the faith by Pope Leo the 10th defending the Catholic Church against the works of Martin Luther.
Well said...I just wish I wasn't so embarrassed by the current state of The Anglican Communion. There's a lot of destroy from within going on even in my own AngloCatholic parish of 40 years. They have the pride flag hanging outside of it. It has no business being there. Free for all indeed.
some are part of the anglo-catholic churc which isn't part of the anglican communion
Do not leave. If you leave, you cede ground to those who want to destroy the Anglican Church.
Anglicanism was literally founded by King Henry the VIII because he wanted to do whatever he wanted. So if you would make a switch then joining Orthodoxy would make the most sense.
not how the Anglican church was founded
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