Tg station has similar degeneracy but its mostly hidden within the codebase/specific individuals rather than in game and you do have to do digging to find it, thats not to say there isnt gonna be a small amount of degeneracy in any normal community but tg has had some alarming instances that seemed to have set it apart.
I think a lot of people just want to play populated, regular fallout servers. But they all tend to fall apart from shitty admin/player cliques and their drama.
@@huntergman8338 for lack of a better term, or maybe you could just call it an interest for the non-sexual part of it. If you know any linguists do ask them for me.
You were too quick to judge Poopdark, it's not as horrible, I don't play it anymore, but almost every shift produced an interesting (horror/porn) story to me, except the ones where I died in the first 5 seconds (which is the majority of them). Also you were playing on the Russian LFWB server instead of the English one, which is like watching an anime in Japanese and complaining that you couldn't understand the plot.
Playing Eros was like playing a completely new game, I joined in and started going around maintenance and then got kidnapped or something and went insane. 10/10 would never play again but looked fun
There are three main types of server in ss13. You have your proud *class "A"* servers, your TG, your BeeStation, your Goon that all are widely popular and are considered *pure* ss13, with only minor-to-moderate controversy over their existence. You have your servile *class "B"* servers, your fulp, your monkestation, your DFss13, that are all either offshoots of a class "A" server or are good enough to stand on their own merit alone. And then you have the *class "D&F"* servers, those that are too vile to be given any respect at all, your vorestation, your rougetown and more often than not your *anarchic* servers such as hippiestation. Nobody who has played on a class "F" server can be respected by the puritanical "A" classers and very rarely by the slightly more relaxed "B" classers. Be warned, if you stray from the *righteous* path of the "A" classers you can never truly return to it. (inspired by your stylish use of disco elysium effects)
I'll reword it for you: There are the upstreams, there are the downstreams, and there are the cesspools. - Upstreams are the various code bases that are popular and maintained well enough people can create their off-shoots of. They have have their dramas but tend to be stable both in population and in code. - Downstreams are said off-shoots, which were created for various reasons be it creative or administrative differences. They have variable success and can be very good or very bad. - Cesspools are the "out there" ideas, still existing only thanks due a small cult following. Call them hidden pearls or diamonds in the rough, few are actually willing to dip into the caustic slurry under which such precious experiences are hidden.
What about those servers that feel nothing like SS13, but aren't weirdo stuff or anarchy like D and F servers. Stuff like that SCP server that was around for a week or two, or the lobotomy corp server?
The long awaited sequel! Fantastic work, yet again. I forget how completely bizarre my long-time favourite codebase Eris can be to a newcomer, glad that you've enjoyed your stay. Regarding the other servers on the list... I haven't made the mistake of playing them myself, outside of the old Bad Deathclaw. However, you've still summed them up pretty nicely, from what I can tell. As some others have pointed out, your channel has pretty much exploded, hope it keeps growing so we can see more quality content like this.
Watched this video because a friend mentioned one of the servers I play on almost daily is here. I-... Yes. Awful? Poisonous? Acidic? Doesn't even describe half of it. Help me. I hate that I could recognize over half the people that were shown there 💀💀💀
Fun fact about Sunset Wasteland. I enjoyed playing there because I am a degenerate who enjoys ERP, but only join servers that dont allow minors so Coyote Bayou was off the list for me. I joined Sunset and had a lot of fun playing on it until the corruption got bad. It got so bad infact that my friend who was creating a new fallout 13 server to replace sunset got the server and both our computers hacked. My expensive gaming computer was completely bricked. The ones responsible were Penelope Haze and Carl, and by extension all of hostchat. I guess thats what I get for joining a community like sunset, but it blew me away how toxic these people can be.
Some of these stations looked really cool! It’s too bad that our minds were tainted with… whatever that was. I can’t remember because my brain is too good at blocking traumatic memories.
To obtain even cooler powers as carrion on civ eris you should say to your local acolyte that you are a carrion and you want to baptize yourself in the biogenerator chamber.
Songs (very much not all, only the ones i can recognize) 0:00 Valve Theme 1:48 LISA: The Painful OST - Desert Stroll 3:17 Maybe a song from Redead Dead Redemption 2? 6:06 Whirling Cafeteria(Day) - Disco Elysium OST 7:11 Creative Exercise - Mario Paint 7:48 Whirling Cafeteria(Day) - Disco Elysium OST (resuming) 8:40 LISA: The Painful OST - Horse Sh!t (sped up) 11:05 SCP: Containment Breach - Menu Ambience
Hey fella, Corn Carson here (known as Gary Greytide in ss13). I can't watch this video because cyrillic makes me irrationally angry and things with fur that talk do the same, but I want to say that I'm really liking your editing and your dedication to this old space game. I've been around since the old 37 days on mushroom station pre SA, and it makes me happy to see people still playing and discussing it. I don't know how long you yourself have been playing, but if you were there around 09, you might know about Frankstation. It was run, maintained, and adminned by one guy (named Frank) who would randomly pull a few people into a premade room and force them to act out family guy cutaway gags while the rest of the station watched. It sounds really jarring but after a few times people got used to it. Frank passed due to lymphoma like a few months after the station went up and had his cousin take it down after. If I ever find the code for Frankstation, I'll forward it to you. He had a roundstart Peter Griffin role (no idea what their job actually was btw) and vendors in the halls that dispensed ak-47s.
Life web actually seemed really cool when I first seen it. I'm already learning Russian, but Damn that sucks about the whole community. I can play amongst an overtly racist population but I can't play something like that
yeah sorry for the community man, everybody on it is just so jaded and racist and wants every black and jew to be worked to death. There's this one guy on there names Fuchs, he's a notable KKK member and white supremacist sam hyde gamer clan member who has donated hundreds of dollars to the daily storm. Watch out for him
im glad that i wasent caught in the fallout server, i joined because dessert rose is that bad that i will sacrifice my dignity to play a decent f13 server
Yay, finally lfwb thug hunter, but I don't understand why part video about lfwb is from ruzone(for ruzzians) and not from interzone(for pendosi), every black guy playing on interzone, whitty
It really do be the year of our lord (2022) where old defunct games are suddenly raised to SSS status because people realise modern triple-A's fucking suck (Callisto Protocol)
@@therealstarplatinum Not really. The population of SS13 has been in a steady decline since it gained popularity. Things will eventually return to how they were pre-Sseth era.
rakkoon raccoon racon rakonon cute racon cute raccoon = Pangitiy :grin: :grin: :sob: i love the content!! you should try some more stuff other then ss13, oh you have!! coolzies
It's fulp, easily worst, 2 much admin abuse, and they can't even do the thing they themselves volunteer to do, basically kids being immature and powertrippy
I've been banned from every station i've regularly played, mostly because of my "Sseth mentality" on the game. I think it's worth it if I actually get to have fun instead of doing cringe uwu rp BS. Blowing away half the station as HoS in a methsplosion that kills literally over half the server is 100% worth it, no regerts.
Good on ya for disowning the le epic racist that plague ss13. Someday they'll grow up but who knows! Anyways good video nice editing glad ya enjoyed your stint in all the dark corners of spess.
I played on the first fallout 13 server, before the ERP took over. I've never been to Vore station, Citadel was scarring enough mentally. Never played on Eris. I've only heard rumors of lifeweb.
I'm ashamed that my friend is responsible for creating vorecode and for giving ideas to mechanics. By the way, if you have already tasted one russian server, there is another one, "Blue moon." This is complete erp hell with own lore. But be careful, you can enter there only by white list.
i kept getting this and the degen iceberg video in my recommended and only held off watching it since i thought it was furry stereotype crap. i now realize 1. it's justified 2. you're qualified for that. so all in all good video
Huh, on one hand, it's pretty damn neat how modifiable the code base is, really makes for potential of lots of interesting mechanics. ...On the other hand, mechanics can get too interesting, as I can see from 1 section here... I'm scared...
I got banned from Fulp Station for using the name "Nick Goss" They said it was an alternative version of the n-word. Horratio22 and Sheets are some terrible admins. I would never recommend Fulp to anyone. They single-handedly ruined the experience for me.
Guys, did someone know about barotrauma? That a good game ngl, but ya know... 500h to make like 20% of this ga- I LOVE THIS DAMN GAME SO MUCH, OH GOD IM DEAD? DONT CARE CUZ THAT GONNA BE LIKE EXTENDED DARK SOULS WICH- oh God.
If you're gonna make another video like this I suggest checking out Coyote Bayou. I'm a known terrorist on that server and I'm working on me being a terrorist canonized
omg you disliked my favorite server DISLIKED AND UNSUBBED.
duolongo
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I am absolutely convinced that every SS13 player has fallen down the stairs or has hit their head on something at least several times in their life.
thats not stairs up dumb man guy we dont fall up stair
Has someone who did fall down the stairs once I can say I do play ss13.
I purposely hit my head as a kid so I could play ss13
Who here #headtraumagang? Sound off traumabros!
This is kind of scary considering I’ve fallen down stairs about 2 or 3 times in the last decade.
Tg station has similar degeneracy but its mostly hidden within the codebase/specific individuals rather than in game and you do have to do digging to find it, thats not to say there isnt gonna be a small amount of degeneracy in any normal community but tg has had some alarming instances that seemed to have set it apart.
TGstation has degenerate metagangs that go to skyrat/splurt to ERP on alts.
TG will always remind me of the "Gas the lizards" space ruin stuff and arguments...
TG has a ton of groomers.
specific individuals is right
one word: goofball
@@SerenHighwatercan confirm, was groomed.
2:02 this guy looks like hes more of a fan of fallout rather than the furries
I think a lot of people just want to play populated, regular fallout servers. But they all tend to fall apart from shitty admin/player cliques and their drama.
A gentleman of respectable looks
i like when furries just talk about other furries like they aren't apart of the same click or anything
its always amusing
The truth is, the people who hate furries the most are other furries.
the fandom is not a monolith
I mean, the only linking thread is a preference to anthropomorphic characters. It's not a "fandom", people are wildly different.
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 That's why I call it a fetish.
@@huntergman8338 for lack of a better term, or maybe you could just call it an interest for the non-sexual part of it. If you know any linguists do ask them for me.
You were too quick to judge Poopdark, it's not as horrible, I don't play it anymore, but almost every shift produced an interesting (horror/porn) story to me, except the ones where I died in the first 5 seconds (which is the majority of them). Also you were playing on the Russian LFWB server instead of the English one, which is like watching an anime in Japanese and complaining that you couldn't understand the plot.
It seems like hes just spouting opinions of others he was brainwashed by
@user-mr5tc3sc1l well he is an idiot furry redditor, so don't expect any analysis of value without immense bias
Not enough intelligence, way too much escapist.
Playing Eros was like playing a completely new game, I joined in and started going around maintenance and then got kidnapped or something and went insane. 10/10 would never play again but looked fun
Eris not Eros, stupid auto correct
There are three main types of server in ss13.
You have your proud *class "A"* servers, your TG, your BeeStation, your Goon that all are widely popular and are considered *pure* ss13, with only minor-to-moderate controversy over their existence.
You have your servile *class "B"* servers, your fulp, your monkestation, your DFss13, that are all either offshoots of a class "A" server or are good enough to stand on their own merit alone.
And then you have the *class "D&F"* servers, those that are too vile to be given any respect at all, your vorestation, your rougetown and more often than not your *anarchic* servers such as hippiestation. Nobody who has played on a class "F" server can be respected by the puritanical "A" classers and very rarely by the slightly more relaxed "B" classers. Be warned, if you stray from the *righteous* path of the "A" classers you can never truly return to it.
(inspired by your stylish use of disco elysium effects)
I'll reword it for you: There are the upstreams, there are the downstreams, and there are the cesspools.
- Upstreams are the various code bases that are popular and maintained well enough people can create their off-shoots of. They have have their dramas but tend to be stable both in population and in code.
- Downstreams are said off-shoots, which were created for various reasons be it creative or administrative differences. They have variable success and can be very good or very bad.
- Cesspools are the "out there" ideas, still existing only thanks due a small cult following. Call them hidden pearls or diamonds in the rough, few are actually willing to dip into the caustic slurry under which such precious experiences are hidden.
I know this is months old, but where is Paradise in this list. Seems good enough, but no one really talks about it even though it's fairly large.
@@bigboyepic8598 I got no strong opinion on it. probably pretty decent.
What about those servers that feel nothing like SS13, but aren't weirdo stuff or anarchy like D and F servers. Stuff like that SCP server that was around for a week or two, or the lobotomy corp server?
Wait untill you learn about Lifeweb
Few are as brave, crazy or "vorny" to go to the Vore station like Panigity...If you want, I can trade you a bit of my sanity for cookie.
what
@@panickew I just assumed that you lost all your sanity after visiting Vore station
@@virescentmorsmordre9568 i was banned from vorestation
Good, now you won’t accedentially join it and loose sanity
@@panickew based
The long awaited sequel!
Fantastic work, yet again. I forget how completely bizarre my long-time favourite codebase Eris can be to a newcomer, glad that you've enjoyed your stay.
Regarding the other servers on the list... I haven't made the mistake of playing them myself, outside of the old Bad Deathclaw. However, you've still summed them up pretty nicely, from what I can tell. As some others have pointed out, your channel has pretty much exploded, hope it keeps growing so we can see more quality content like this.
i thank you very much .. . genuine
Not only my guy delivered, he absolutely nailed the video. Legendary.
Watched this video because a friend mentioned one of the servers I play on almost daily is here.
I-...
Yes. Awful? Poisonous? Acidic?
Doesn't even describe half of it.
Help me. I hate that I could recognize over half the people that were shown there 💀💀💀
⏱⏱time is running out
Ruzone?
Fun fact about Sunset Wasteland. I enjoyed playing there because I am a degenerate who enjoys ERP, but only join servers that dont allow minors so Coyote Bayou was off the list for me. I joined Sunset and had a lot of fun playing on it until the corruption got bad. It got so bad infact that my friend who was creating a new fallout 13 server to replace sunset got the server and both our computers hacked. My expensive gaming computer was completely bricked. The ones responsible were Penelope Haze and Carl, and by extension all of hostchat. I guess thats what I get for joining a community like sunset, but it blew me away how toxic these people can be.
Bit late to this post but it seems like sunset just died horribly. Their cubsona host pulled the plug.
Some of these stations looked really cool! It’s too bad that our minds were tainted with… whatever that was. I can’t remember because my brain is too good at blocking traumatic memories.
To obtain even cooler powers as carrion on civ eris you should say to your local acolyte that you are a carrion and you want to baptize yourself in the biogenerator chamber.
Something tells me that this is bad advice.
@@lollol5263 you can also just ask for a cruciform to always be able to revive😉
sometimes i'm glad that i don't go onto different servers
Songs (very much not all, only the ones i can recognize)
0:00 Valve Theme
1:48 LISA: The Painful OST - Desert Stroll
3:17 Maybe a song from Redead Dead Redemption 2?
6:06 Whirling Cafeteria(Day) - Disco Elysium OST
7:11 Creative Exercise - Mario Paint
7:48 Whirling Cafeteria(Day) - Disco Elysium OST (resuming)
8:40 LISA: The Painful OST - Horse Sh!t (sped up)
11:05 SCP: Containment Breach - Menu Ambience
My stomach hurts good video
The way you edit and add narration is very good. Nice work
1:44 our secrets have been leaked
>disco elysium skill check
Nice one panig
Hey fella, Corn Carson here (known as Gary Greytide in ss13). I can't watch this video because cyrillic makes me irrationally angry and things with fur that talk do the same, but I want to say that I'm really liking your editing and your dedication to this old space game.
I've been around since the old 37 days on mushroom station pre SA, and it makes me happy to see people still playing and discussing it.
I don't know how long you yourself have been playing, but if you were there around 09, you might know about Frankstation. It was run, maintained, and adminned by one guy (named Frank) who would randomly pull a few people into a premade room and force them to act out family guy cutaway gags while the rest of the station watched. It sounds really jarring but after a few times people got used to it. Frank passed due to lymphoma like a few months after the station went up and had his cousin take it down after.
If I ever find the code for Frankstation, I'll forward it to you. He had a roundstart Peter Griffin role (no idea what their job actually was btw) and vendors in the halls that dispensed ak-47s.
1:32
Superbly beautiful Disco Elysium meme there, I love it
THAT DISCO ELYSIUM REFERENCE, OH MY FUCKIN GOD, I LOVE YOU
As someone who did lite dev stuff for CMSS13 I can safely say you hit the nail on the head.
Being a mime is a risk, as you can accidentally start a war against the Italians.
3:00 thia man is a raw display of power
directions unclear I'm on skyrat now and they keep asking me "what that mouth do"
Send help.
everclear shoenice
hearing hylics music in the wild hits me like a brick
Another amazing Video as always Panic love all your videos ❤
duolongo
@@panickew 😢
Where were the ponies. I am disappointed.
Glad to see you back to it! Loved it as always!
Eriscode is fucking lit. Also lol, Lifeweb, the game that advanced SS13 players fear. I actually started on Lifeweb back in 2015.. good times.
The other problem with lifeweb or ss13 in general is alot of people have a love for the younglings let's just put it that way
Life web actually seemed really cool when I first seen it. I'm already learning Russian, but Damn that sucks about the whole community. I can play amongst an overtly racist population but I can't play something like that
yeah sorry for the community man, everybody on it is just so jaded and racist and wants every black and jew to be worked to death. There's this one guy on there names Fuchs, he's a notable KKK member and white supremacist sam hyde gamer clan member who has donated hundreds of dollars to the daily storm. Watch out for him
What's the issue anyway seems like you are the racist one
@@jastindeep3366 that's a possibility
@@Odin933 what's wrong with Russians?
@@jastindeep3366 well, you know what happens in the world right? They are also furries.
im glad that i wasent caught in the fallout server, i joined because dessert rose is that bad that i will sacrifice my dignity to play a decent f13 server
Yay, finally lfwb thug hunter, but I don't understand why part video about lfwb is from ruzone(for ruzzians) and not from interzone(for pendosi), every black guy playing on interzone, whitty
why did i heart this comment
@@panickew psy
@@panickew you feel the same emanating energy of hatred of everything. You cool, bro
Simply amazing like usual and also wow your channel has popped off
It really do be the year of our lord (2022) where old defunct games are suddenly raised to SSS status because people realise modern triple-A's fucking suck (Callisto Protocol)
@@toxicthereporter515 lmao you actually made me laugh like hell since it's true ss13 has gotten the most players this year too in a long while
@@therealstarplatinum Not really. The population of SS13 has been in a steady decline since it gained popularity. Things will eventually return to how they were pre-Sseth era.
I'm truly amazed byond is still going!
Lisa the painful, hopeful music
Just about to start watching the video and I can tell by your profile picture alone that you have alot of experience with ss13
i am amazed you even stepped foot into vore station an absolute hell hole
accurate bad trip experience
Totally, it was cool.
>Looks at thumbnail
"Oh hey, a pony. Cute pony."
>Realizes it's fucking Aryanne
WHOA WAIT WHAT
the goon caverns within the internet persist no matter what platform. for better or for worse.
Gud video. The community should know the horrors the list of servers bears within. Awesome job 👍
1:30 BAhaha the disco elysium sfx
sapce spation 13
Thanks, now I want to blind myself so I won’t have to see those lines of text ever again
poor sees the sights, he will be the butt of jokes for a very long time.
rakkoon
raccoon
racon
rakonon
cute racon
cute raccoon = Pangitiy
:grin: :grin: :sob:
i love the content!! you should try some more stuff other then ss13, oh you have!! coolzies
sadly the non-ss13 videos perform horribly
@@panickew oh, i think they are pretty cool and underrated
1:34 the disco Elysium reference is quite comical
Holy 6:15. I didn't expect hearing the Disco Elysium soundtrack on an SS13 video about the most deranged server.
I love how blud himself has a cropped nsfw pfp and he talking about this thats crazy
Doesnt Baystation also have a multi level Z space ship?
It does. But its also hrp server
@@DrSID666 yep. I like baystation. I also hate it just like I absolutely hate the game but I still like the game
Baystation literally invented multi z they came up with the idea way back in 2010
@@WEtSmellyD The old SEV Torch looks really weird tbh.
@@BamFourThousand the original bay was set on a space station not a ship the art style had a creepy vibe but was a lot more interesting
Great video as always raccon man
It's fulp, easily worst, 2 much admin abuse, and they can't even do the thing they themselves volunteer to do, basically kids being immature and powertrippy
Can we get a port of ceveris to ss14
I've been banned from every station i've regularly played, mostly because of my "Sseth mentality" on the game. I think it's worth it if I actually get to have fun instead of doing cringe uwu rp BS. Blowing away half the station as HoS in a methsplosion that kills literally over half the server is 100% worth it, no regerts.
Try White Dream. It's a cool and fun server! You can throw literal disposals of your own making into furries for free! Admins support you!
2:01 that cut killed me XDD
6:00 man of course I would see Stamper in a video about degeneracy
the old man was a gigachad fr
Break the cycle, type duoshlong call backup, and pray
бп
I will consume your RNA
Who is the artist of the pic at 3:48?
wouldn't you like to know weather boy
@@panickew www.furaffinity.net/view/45525731/ it would have been a lot easier to find if you had given credit
Good on ya for disowning the le epic racist that plague ss13. Someday they'll grow up but who knows!
Anyways good video nice editing glad ya enjoyed your stint in all the dark corners of spess.
1/10, worst safari ever, the animals were eating each other alive.
How did you got an invite to play on lifeweb?
I cant tell if the text to speech is actually text to speech
most of the time it isn't
Another hit from the Racc -ATF Guy
I played on the first fallout 13 server, before the ERP took over. I've never been to Vore station, Citadel was scarring enough mentally. Never played on Eris. I've only heard rumors of lifeweb.
LISA music? LISA sound effects? Subscribed.
I'm ashamed that my friend is responsible for creating vorecode and for giving ideas to mechanics.
By the way, if you have already tasted one russian server, there is another one, "Blue moon."
This is complete erp hell with own lore.
But be careful, you can enter there only by white list.
i kept getting this and the degen iceberg video in my recommended and only held off watching it since i thought it was furry stereotype crap.
i now realize 1. it's justified 2. you're qualified for that. so all in all good video
spain, without the s
blockland 2017
@@panickew please review the family rp servers
@@j.trades9691 THE. WHAT?
@@j.trades9691 the WHAT
Aww that’s apples, mate. Nice raccoons.
3:41, top left, there i am, gary, there i am!
toxic radiation will.. consume you
@@panickew help
Huh, on one hand, it's pretty damn neat how modifiable the code base is, really makes for potential of lots of interesting mechanics.
...On the other hand, mechanics can get too interesting, as I can see from 1 section here... I'm scared...
I got banned from Fulp Station for using the name "Nick Goss" They said it was an alternative version of the n-word. Horratio22 and Sheets are some terrible admins. I would never recommend Fulp to anyone. They single-handedly ruined the experience for me.
Oh, fellow nickgo, I know your pain
Watching a furry play vorestation? I'm going to hell for this.
i haven't seen a furry drink diet coke
@@panickew that means they aren't real
2:30 Killing a couples dog while they have sex is only found on ss13
i lied it's a dude sleeping
freaking awesome dude
I like the LISA reference at 0:44
Why is ceveris bad from the vid it just looks a little chaotic?
Smashing
crashing
pongos
boat bomber and panigity collab when?
boat bomber wants to kill me
@@panickew how ya pull that off?
@@tachi1034 i erped him
@@panickew I didn't know until now.
@@tachi1034 true because I lied
Never heard of CEV Eris before
Then again, nearly all of my time in byond is on Paradise Station
what about yog station
Guys, did someone know about barotrauma? That a good game ngl, but ya know... 500h to make like 20% of this ga- I LOVE THIS DAMN GAME SO MUCH, OH GOD IM DEAD? DONT CARE CUZ THAT GONNA BE LIKE EXTENDED DARK SOULS WICH- oh God.
I dont play ss13 anymore, cuz ss13 become a Sex game, the code that i still playing is Civ13, mostly the TDM mode.
Anyway, Good video.
why tf most of the furries are also hardcore wehraboos
I'M SO FUCKING SCARED RIGHT NOW
I came from ssethtzeentach video. Great story to just get into a mech suit and start blasting away the furries.
Хорошая работа, товарищ!
If you're gonna make another video like this I suggest checking out Coyote Bayou. I'm a known terrorist on that server and I'm working on me being a terrorist canonized
Meh, Virgo is pretty chill most of the time. I rarely see any ERP when I'm at the bar.
Oh no, vorephile 🔫🗿
we make windmill
I am a furry but why there such a god damn station all about vore??? God it makes me want to bleach my eyes TwT
HEY WAIT I THINK YOU ASKED ME QUESTIONS ON SPLURT
there are impersonators (impostors amogus)
2:37 why do that person want kill black dogs
@cheeseborg3508
2:37 why do that person want kill black dogs