Multipick ELITE Beginner Christina Palmer 13 Piece Pick Set
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Very cool little set from Multipick! 😀 Interview with Christina: www.lockpickextreme.com/women-locksport-series-christina-palmer/
I use a spoon curve instead of a short hook for SPP, because it is more maneuverable, and then switch to a medium hook as needed. My graduated bent wire turners were first introduced in the TOOOL beginner set made by Southern Specialties a few years ago. Christian Holler used those as models for his Multipick set, so they are basically the same thing. This set is nearly identical to the TOOOL set, but also has the tall hook, and is made with stronger stiffer metal, higher manufacturing precision, and better finishing, at a higher cost. This was a community service project, I do not profit from pick sales.
i love those turning tools. they're the only piece of that original Toool set that has continued to keep a place in my kit. thanks for all you've done for our community, btw.
i got a Chinese pick that - by itself and over time - became bent, exactly like that spoon, and actually wondered if they were making a playful reference to that quality. Glad you proofed that was a too-far-stretch ;) -edit, silly me not reading names, cause 'them' would literally imply 'you'.. so did you ?
As a lock pick designer, I have a vast collection of lock picks that span most of the ~28 current manufacturers and many that are long gone over the past 46 years. I carefully measured the radius of the curve picks from the British Falle Safe and Storm pick sets, both no longer made, and found that none of the curves had a sufficiently small radius for optimal performance. I made some prototypes, and settled on the 1.5 inch radius currently in use as an optimal balance between reach and maneuverability. The reverse curve at the shaft-tip junction allows for a longer region of constant radius while still allowing the pick profile to align parallel with the shaft and handle.
@@christinapalmer Thank you! I have read several articles that you have written an learned quite a bit. I tried out most of your suggestions on tension tools an picks. I have been using your style tension tools for a couple years. An they are my go to first tools. You are the only one I have ever found who has put a measure on tension. My brain really likes that there is a point that differs "light" from " very light" tension.
Your wave rakes are excellent! There is one thing that you mention that no company I can find does. You feel they should be a bit thicker at .030+ Does anyone make them to your specs? It is a hard pick to make by hand. I wish to try it like you think it should be...
Again thank you for all you have taught me an your work in the locksport community.
I think you are referring to bogotas, and by that I mean genuine Raimundo style bogotas that are wave rakes and turners all in one, rather than just a wave rake on a conventional handle. Those need to be .030 inch thick to also function adequately as a turner. They are not ideal for narrow or paracentric keyways, but are just fine for Kwikset and other wide keyways typical in the USA. Southern Specialties / SereKit / SerePick (all the same source) make the only genuine bogotas.
Unfortunately, their quality took a nose dive a few years ago. They stopped using their original lengthy mass finishing process, and no longer adequately mass finish their bogotas - the new ones are sharper and do not work smoothly. I recently tried to get a small batch of my modern bogota design made from a different source, but they did not meet my standards, as the mass finishing was inadequate, and the profiles were cut incorrectly due to errors introduced by the CAM of the laser cutter converting spline curves to polylines with excessively low precision. Perhaps some day someone will be willing to put in the effort to make them properly.
A few other companies have tried to make bogotas, but with horrible defects ranging from bad profiles to no mass finishing to not mating the bend and twist of both members of the pair in the standard correct location, so the bogotas can not self-nest, and do not function properly.
The spoon curve is intended as an alternative for short hooks and DeForrest offset half diamonds. It may seem counter-intuitive, since those are very different profiles. The spoon curve follows approximately the same path as a DeForrest, but it is completely consistent with no abrupt curvature change, having a constant radius of 1.5 inches. This lets it outperform a DeForrest in almost any situation someone would normally use a DeForrest. I am not a fan of half diamonds or DeForrests, although I include them out of necessity, as they are very popular profiles. The spoon curve has a lower profile than the short hook without the abrupt change from straight to curved at the tip, allowing it to get into tighter spaces, but sacrificing some ability to set a high pin behind a low pin. That is what medium hooks are for, anyway. I love the greater maneuverability of the spoon curve over the short hook.
Real world examples:
BoK torque placement in Abus Diskus or similar Abus, which is easier and more beginner friendly than ToK placement. The tip of the spoon curve can be slid in at a downward angle to instantly set pin 5 at the back of the lock, which is always the only pin stack without a spool driver. This effectively turns the lock into 4 spool pins already at the false set.
Picking from the warding ledge in American Lock keyways instead of from the bottom of the keyway. ToK torque placement is still used out of necessity for higher quality torque closer to the axis of rotation. This allows use of the thicker stiffer .6mm picks, which are too wide to smoothly pick from the bottom of the keyway. The .4mm picks more suitable for this are not included in beginner sets.
From experience teaching thousands of beginners over the past 46 years, they nearly universally handle spoon curves more intuitively than short hooks, due to the lack of abrupt curvature change at the end of the pick. I have been exclusively teaching beginners SPP with spoon curves for many years now. They learn faster and more easily this way.
Thank you for your detailed explanation about the new set. I have the Multipick 0.4+0.6 28 piece set which you designed and it is a fantastic set and is my go to selection of picks. With the newer sets you have designed which Multipick have now released, my question is what are the main differences between the original set which I have and the newly released sets?
The three new sets MP3PNS18, MP3PNS19, MP3PNS20 have my approval. They were prototyped twice, and the parts list was agonized over by me, Christian Holler, Multipick, and a few other people.
The old 28 piece set MP3PNS14 does not have my approval, and should never have been offered for sale. I was not involved in the production or parts selection. Known bad CAD files were used, but due to email problems, all the messages I was sending to Multipick were lost. I would have to write a dissertation to explain all that is wrong with that set. Some examples: There are no bent wire turners. The flat turners are in only one thickness. There are no rakes. Many of the hooks are subtle variations with round, flat, or thin tips that are otherwise nearly identical. The picks in the set use bad CAD files with the wrong shaft to tip taper. Having said that, they are still pieces of metal you can stick in a lock and open it with. I hope they are out of them, and delete that item from the catalog, never to be seen again. 🤦
If you want the subtle variations of hook, some of which are not in any of the three new sets, I believe they are available as single picks. The hook permutations are (.6mm, .4mm) thickness x (short, medium, tall) height x (flat, round, thin) tip style.
The MP3PNS20 has the thin short hook, flat short hook, round medium hook, and thin tall hook, in both .6mm and .4mm.
The short hooks have a final angle of 45°, the medium and tall hooks have a final angle of 75°.
@@christinapalmer thank you for the honest and detailed explanation. I am disappointed to hear that my purchase is not what I believed it to be, however my experience has not been a negative one. I assume I have managed to make the best of the picks I have. I purchased the set due to the performance of your wave rakes which were released by Multipick, and they are all now combined in my set. I look forward to the next review from Lock Noob on your Multipick sets, although I anticipate that I will be purchasing the 40 piece advanced set given that they will be a significant improvement on what I already have and approved by you. Thanks again
I've accumulated a lot of American locks from where I work. We use them for LOTO locks and they get tossed a lot of times so I grab them out of the trash. I've made plenty of my own picks and a lot of them look very similar to that really steep one from this kit, with the scallop and everything. They work great on Americans where you have a lot of high low pins right next to each other.
I was looking for a new hobby to learn because I have an obsession with learning, I got myself an inexpensive beginner kit covered in an old video with the addition of the h&h jackknife style pick. This channel has been an invaluable resource for helping me figure out how to use all the various tools. Excellent videos.
Just bought this set from multipick. Looking forwarding to starting my SPP journey :)
Personally I just don't think you can beat Multipick. They are the standard, only downside is the cost. Having said that when you use their picks you can see why they cost so much.
Great review as always : )
I love Christina's work, picked up my first set that she designed and it got me started. Loving those tensioners, I like the dangerfield one's but they only have two thicknesses. Thanks for the review!
I have to say. I bought your rake collab with Multipick, and between yours and this.. I’d say that’s a pretty darn good set, just wish let had let you design some tension tools for yours ❤
This is the first set that I have seen where the tensioning tools are different thicknesses. I wish more places had a variety of thicknesses and widths. What I have typically seen are three different widths wiper inserts in different lengths that only fit a small number of locks without causing damage to the core.
What a great kit. Zero fluff. I think calling it a beginner kit is a misnomer since a skilled lock picker could open a huge range of locks with this kit
Great well rounded set there! (That's what she said) .. I find myself really becoming a fan of the spoon curve pick, definitely handy. Great review Ash 👍👍
Great starter pick set. Cheers for sharing.🍺👍
Great set!!!!!
Beautiful pick set!!
🐾🐈⬛🐈🐾🇬🇧🍻👏👏👏👏👏
The spoon type I find helpful especially with my Australian Lockwood. Generally the key ways are small and tight with shallow pins that are easily overset.
Great review nonetheless LockNoob !
Nice looking set, thanks for the review, something like this needs to be part of my collection
Great review, awesome kit with some fabulous picks and tension tools
The short hook is main pick I love it so much
Great review like always!, everytime I buy a new kit my wife kills me! 🤣
Ps:I'm immortal 😇
Nice kit, I have it!
I stopped buying sets so my wife doesn't realize, I'll buy cases, then individual picks. :)
@@Madlintelf that's good one! 🤣😇
First off...that was amazing how fast you opened that 1100. I know what security pins they contain, but you opened that thing almost as fast as I can rake a master #3.
Secondly...Great review, I gotta dig deep and splurge for a multipick set soon.
Third...absolutely, tensioners are in my opinion even more important than pick choice. Like most people I focused on picks at first, but having experience now, I know the importance of having the right tension tool.
Very nice set but my personal taste would be to swap those rakes for a triple peak, and one of those (bent?) Offset snake rakes I love so much.
Again...tensioners.... anyone can make a homemade hook with some thin metal and a small file, but just try to build a TOK tension tool with serated grip, and the right thickness.
It’s pinned to 5 with a bad bitting. It actually only needs 3 pins picked
@@LockNoob I've yet to spp an 1100, but oddly, I can open them quickly with a lishi. Stranger yet, other locks I have great difficulty opening with a lishi, but can open easily with a rake or spp, then use lishi to decode
I know I know.... if I can afford lishi's, then I can afford multipick.
Good, complete beginner's kit. Will look into it. Thank you.
nice review Ash mate great video😎🤟👍🇬🇧🇬🇧😊
Funny but i have never found the half diamond, ball or snowman or the deep hook of any use.
I mainly use short and medium hooks and the bogotas, cities and my favourite s-rakes.
I guess it's a case of different strokes for different folks.
Y. I'm mostly missing a 'flag' style of pick (and abuse a thin normal pick for that function), especially for them new-style bicycle locks that actually want you to pull the disc from the outside inward. Apart that, NL (and all others) are so right. Standard picks is what you need most of the time, any other type of pick is just for the collection. Rather have a big collection of tensioners than picks.
When reviewing Multipick picks, it would be great to show the part names (i.e. PN73) so when someone (like me) is interested in buying them, can find them easy on the website. Thank you anyways for the vid.
Just follow the link I put on the description. The scope of delivery has each part number
Good suggestion
@@LockNoob indeed, that is one of the possible ways. but it would not add much work to just show them (ppl can pause if interested) and add so much more value to tthe vid.
I need to try out some multipick stuff, I’ve only bought from sparrows. But that set looked nice.
I would like this set but the shipping alone was like $20 then they charge 20% VAT and it gets to be too much before you even get to check out. :(
I'm really annoyed by the fact that I'm not willing to pay what it costs for quality beginner sets, and find out whether it's something that I'd enjoy.
Add shipping to those 70, and they're suddenly 85€.
Selling these secondhand where I live is considered a gray area and it's not obviously legal to own or sell them.
Did anyone notice that, with the exception of the deep hook, that's the same kit as the TOOOL set, made by Southern Specialties? Now I'm wondering if there is any partnering going on.
Not as fas as I’m aware. Christina discusses this in a comment below 👇
I finally got the Elite 10 set, really wish those tension tools had come with it. I guess that set doesn't really need TOK tools, but still...
Man that set looks so nice I love the thicker handles its the only problem with my set now is my had cramps up after using them for a bit. Would love to pick them up but at over $100 can for the picks and shippin and import fees I cant see it happening.
Tensioning kit with free picks ;)
If you can open it, they will come.
I'm getting christian hollars set for the tension wrenches and the case.
Top of the keyway but actually bottom? Theyre always mounted with the keypins part facing down in a door.
That's a Europe vs USA/Rest of the world thing. The USA (and here in Australia) the bible (the bit that houses the pins) is installed upwards. In the UK and Europe, they're "upside down". I always explain to anyone who asks that TOK means closest to the pins, while BOK is away from the pins.
How much for one set?
why are you calling bottom of the key way top , and top as bottom?
hey bud if l bought a set of these will you get any kick back as you are doing a great job in explaining the tools
Nope, no kick back. I wouldn’t want to either as I like to stay as neutral as it’s possible to be
Out of curiosity do you get to keep the sets you reveiw? If so I think technically that counts as a payment of some sorts. 🤔saying that, great reveiw as always Ash, take care and have a great rest of the weekend 😁👍
Getting a free review sample is a pittance compared to the work that goes into producing a video or designing picks. I received free prototypes and production samples in the course of designing the picks. These are essential to ascertain they are manufactured correctly. I hope you don't expect Lock Noob to have to pay for every pick set he reviews. If Lock Noob can be questioned for anything regarding his reviews, it is that he is too nice to everyone about everything. If I were evil overlord, I would be far more critical. This is why I don't do the reviewing. 🐱
@@christinapalmer firstly I don't expect anything of anyone, secondly I'm fully aware of the time and effort that goes into making sets and never said otherwise. Also I've enjoyed lock noobs content since I started a couple of years ago. His skills and tool making ideas are awesome. I merely asked a question because to say you recive nothing for a reveiw when in fact something is received is misleading, that is all. I should be able to ask a simple question which I'd like to know an answer to. That said thanks for taking the time to put across what is your opinion🙏👍🐱
Multipicks prices are to high for a beginner, shit I've been dabbling in the picking world for a couple years and still think there prices are to high.
The Multipick set is based on the 2500 by Southern Specialties ($33), also sold by Lockpick Extreme ($29). TOOOL used to sell the same set, but now offers the picks with the double ended versions of the turners ($30). These tools are all made of much softer 301 full hard stainless steel. The proprietary 420 (or similar) hardened stainless steel that Multipick and Peterson use is almost twice as stiff and strong. You get what you pay for.
Yeah, at more than twice the price, €69,90 ($81.08) (Not a Beginner Set,at least not in my eyes)
I don't think USA orders pay VAT, so comparing apples to apples, it's $68.
Ok I'm not here to say, Multipick isn't a quality brand. Quality does incorporate a higher price. I just don't think the average beginner needs such a pricey quality set to practice with. Lots of beginners give up after a short time. There for such a pricey investment is not justified for a beginner. For the average beginner they should look at keeping there initial investment under the $50 range. You can get a $35 starter set and a $15 lock, with extra pins to challenge yourself, for that price, at many other dealers.
@@DrDarthOne The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten...! ;) Or, as Bosnian Bill used to say - buy once, cry once, enjoy forever.
Great and honest review as always Ash. I'm a big lover of Multipick picks. Thanks for sharing and take care mate.
Dial it down to 0.5 mm and i would call it my next edc set. Except the spoon thing. I would swop that out with a Abona. Love the tension tools.
I talked to Multipick about making .5mm thickness picks, but it is expensive stocking 3 different thicknesses. Perhaps if these do well, they will reconsider, and make them in .5mm in the future. In the mean time, they are also available in .4mm in the intermediate and advanced sets, or as separate picks. They are more delicate than .5mm, but also more maneuverable in narrow keyways.
@@christinapalmer - i did mean 0.4 mm. I live in Denmark. So pick a lot of rukos. Getting around inside them with 0.6..... 🙂
In that case, the intermediate or advanced sets are more appropriate for you. The .6mm picks are still useful, as they are stiffer and will give better performance in wider keyways and are more durable, but you will need the thinner .4mm picks.
@lock noob where is the giveaway 🤣
Another pick set to buy lol
Nice, but must be a giveaway then, eh Lock Noob? Pretty please.
You say nobody cares admit the case, but that's because the case is boring! Give me a case that looks like a tiny golf bag!