@@askleonotenboomI thought for a sec to use Outlook at some point but then I just couldn't put myself to the big task of figuring out which one of them are which one of them and never tested 😂 I just can't with Microsoft. They're just like Google. You have to have a PhD on their mess to get the best out of it. It shouldn't be like that.
ill never understand why they create new ones instead of redesign the old ones. theres duplicates of everything and they take literally 10 years to remove one. weve never truly recovered from the mess that was Win 8
@@maurice482390 I've used Thunderbird for many years - I like the ability to filter messages into separate folders and delete senders I've identified as junk or spam. It's easy to add existing email addresses to it.
Yep - I already use it for years, and don't want anything else. It's more than good enough for me. Especially since you can export and import all mails if you switch machines. I still have mails back from 2004, and it's great if you are looking for old license numbers that have been sent to you in the past. Of course I store my mails locally and not in some weird "cloud".
Before I switched to Apple Mac permanently I used to love using the Windows 10 and 11 mail app. As a totally blind person the screen reader which I used to use on Windows which is called NVDA used to work brilliantly with this app, plus Microsoft made the layout of the old mail app very easy for people like me to navigate using keyboard only. However, I’m sorry to say for people like me the new Outlook isn’t accessible with keyboard Shortcuts alone and screen readers. It is really hard to navigate to your message list and even to do basic tasks such as sending emails, let alone accessing a built-in calendar. Before I switched to Apple Mac I used to have to use Thunderbird as that has a similar layout to the Windows mail app for people needing to use screen readers. I’m glad I switched to Apple Mac as Apple is very good with accessibility, and they also don’t change their apps Just like that.
At least if Apple does change anything they will make it accessible, or almost all blind people use Apple products because of their high-quality support for accessibility, and Apple has customer service where you can phone them up if things go wrong whereas it’s very hard to get somebody from Microsoft.
Good thing that we started developing OE Classic back in 2009, correctly recognizing this even then, when Microsoft started doing these constant discontinuing of their email clients, starting with Outlook Express, then Windows Mail, then Windows Live Mail and now the Mail for Windows 10/11.
@@dons1643 Yeah, it's called Thunderbird Desktop and it's cross platform, so it runs on the same operating systems Thunderbird itself runs on (Linux, Mac, Windows).
It's NOT a fine email client, it's hot garbage. It's a web app that when you give it your email credentials, all your email is now kept on azure This also means if you have an internal email server, it won't work
Not just emails, its your contact & calendar as well for all Non MS email account. Some people actually think MS isn't trying to spy on everything they do.
Donj't forget that if you die your inheritors have no legal right to your one drive, your email or your games on Xbox as well. The same applies to nearly all online content and properties including Playstation games.
Friend, you got that right. I have used both editions of Microsoft Mail and the new edition removed all the electronic mail files I have stored for several years. I have Microsoft Office 2021 Professional and the suite may as well be "bloated" with another Microsoft Outlook application program. You really touched my internal gripe with the honest-to-goodness truth. 💙
I am glad that you posted this video. I have never recommended the New Outlook and always suggest that users revert back to Classic Outlook. When reverting back to Classic Outlook, I suggest they report to Microsoft that the reason for reverting back is that there are too many missing features in the New Outlook.
I've used G-mail for years without any problems. It does a really good job at blocking Spam and makes it super easy to delete the Spam. I'd say it blocks 99% of Spam and allows you to report any e-mail that you think is Spam and after that it also goes into the Spam folder. I never used the e-mail that comes with Windows and haven't probably since the early 90's. I can access it virtually anywhere with my cell phone or other devices too.
This is similar to the confusion on mobile as well. There is a Microsoft 365 mobile app which includes Outlook. But then there are also mobile apps for each individual Office application, including an Outlook mobile app.
I tell my friends firstly to use online email accounts, like Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo etc, and not use any email program. Reason being is, people get peeved off with their current provider and they change internet providers for better deals. Having a Gmail or other online email means, you don't need to let all your contacts know you switched internet providers and have to change their email address for you.
You can still use Thunderbird to access those emails, has nothing to do with your ISP Using something like Thunderbird allows you to store emails locally, and get by the online storage limits.
Windows Mail? I haven't heard that name in nearly twenty years. Brings back memories. I didn't think anyone was still using it. I assumed everyone had switched to Thunderbird a decade ago.
I switched to the built-in (Windows 10) version of Outlook/Calendar earlier this year and never looked back. It was a completely seamless transition that worked right away. I have no complaints.
Having to deal with this as a call center employee has been my white whale this year because so many folks refuse to switch. Why they didn't just overlay Outlook onto the existing Mail program is one of the stupidest Microsoft things in years. It is literal pain to set up the IMAP and SMTP server settings, and that's before things I can't really assist with during a call, like visual settings and sorting. I usually have to do this all blind too because I'm stubborn about not using my tools to get into a customer's PC so that THEY continue to have full control of setup. And even worse, the entire thing is web-based, including button assets, so you have to wait for icons to load because someone didn't want to put them in the local app files.
Windows has been a cascade of downhill stupidity since Windows 8. Like a 55 year old boxer they should hang up the gloves. No more ideas. Only harassment of the customer. Went all Linux with Thunderbird in 2019.
This issue makes me wish that all of you TH-cam fans would work at Microsoft so that poor souls like me can have real productive programs that work for the user without disappointment.
@@musicalneptunian It's about what tradeoffs you can accept. Hatred of Windows got me to try Linux several years ago. I hated it more. Had access to a Mac for a while. Hated that more than Windows as well. IMO, most software is crap.
Windows 7 had a decent email program that actually had functionality. The new Outlook is actually OWA: Outlook Web Access with an interface that is supposed to resemble the real Outlook Client.
You're absolutely right, Leo, that those using the current Outlook should try out the new Outlook straight away, instead of leaving it till the last minute. I don't use it, and never have or will, but with so many changes taking place on MS so quickly, it's wise to try and keep up with it all.....including the mess being made of some of it.
@SFDestiny true, but I'll take functionality over uglyness, especially if it's free. It also has a calendar, irc and matrix built in, so it's perfect for my use case.
OE Classic will remind you of how easy Outlook Express for XP was and it works with Win 11 - Thunderbird is fine also and I have Thunderbird with 4 email addresses supporting POP or IMAP and Local folders set up to filter messages in yearly backups
My computer has had problems running the new Outlook. I'm back to using the Outlook that came with the MSOffice package my company bought for me a few years ago. Thanks for the email provider suggestions.
Sure, that is possible without any problems. You don’t have to use any of the Microsoft services. You can uninstall OneDrive, for example. But make a backup first, because this service likes to steal your data when you uninstall it.
Years ago when I figured out that fixing the Registry, etc took too much of my time, we began a new "love hate" relationship with Mac laptops ... once you try MAC you never go back.... Can't stand MAIL.... and we do like AskLeo!
Only Microsoft could write something that forgets how to do SMTP and IMAP at the end of a calendar year. What's next, a version of Edge that forgets how to do the HTTP protocol if you don't upgrade?
You say that there are a huge number of differences but don't give an inkling what they are. I have only noticed three - firstly New Outlook loads emails quicker when it is opened and the display of attachments is an improvement - two pluses and secondly New Outlook has lost the Send/Receive toggle so some inbound emails take minutes to arrive - a minus. What else have I not noticed?
Been going on forever in Win10, they keep swapping to Outlook and lose all calendar events. Scrw MSFT, Outlook was junk 20 yrs ago. The windows mail program was junk, but i used the calendar. Their constant swapping back to Outlook is making me test drive Linux versions.
I’m not a windows user at all personal level, but my company uses Microsoft Windows and office on our assigned laptop, and I notice that Microsoft Office Outlook is more robust and has been recommended mail client in the company, and recently they allowed the “new outlook” and some features I like about the latest is that you don’t have to have the program running when scheduling an email, so oddly I use both clients depending on the situation, is not ideal though, the two programs are different just like you said.
I could not get either “Classic Outlook” or “New Outlook” to access my ISP email using IMAP on my brand new Windows 11 laptop. They would only work with POP. Technical support was of no help. I finally downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird and had both of my email accounts up and running with IMAP in four minutes flat. It feels like Microsoft is actually trying to incentivize their user base to look elsewhere. Windows 11 was not ready for public consumption, but Microsoft has foisted it on their user base anyway. I still have my legacy Windows 10 laptop, which is not compatible with Windows 11 requirements, and I have started researching how to install Linux Mint on it. The user rebellion has started.
I use the full Outlook application as included in MS Office 2019, and even at the top of that there is a "Try the new Outlook" switch. Why is it there in the full MS Office version? Is the "new" Outlook in the MS Office version different from the "new" free version?
My old calendar is not an Outlook calendar and I'm not able to export the info to the new Outlook. I'm stuck because I can't even access the old in order to manually move to the new! What do I do?
I don't use Windows Mail. I don't use Outlook even though I subscribe to Office 365. I've used Thunderbird for many years and it just works and is very powerful. I only use "web mail" if I have to. I like a client.
To all who have never had trouble with Thunderbird - I wish that was my experience!! I've been using Thunderbird for years and was perfectly happy until last year or so things started changing and when I installed it on my new laptop I had all my old email lost even though I was following step by step to transfer. Then I periodically have email that I save in local folders disappear. I had hoped to use it forever but the "newer" Thunderbird keep losing things. Any suggestions from anyone?
I learned decades ago not to become dependent on Microsoft...they will giveth and they will taketh away. As long as there are non-Microsoft choices out there, I will usually go that way. I say that even as I am using Windows and don't plan on changing that.
Windows mail actually works. New Outlook doesn't support email addresses that are supported in mail. I am forced to uninstall it EVERY TIME! It's the only way to check my email. I don't have access to the options to turn it off, because outlook won't let me open any options with my email account.
windows mail was and is only a web front end to outlook mail. the mailbox is still hosted on their exchange servers so you can as y9ou say access and view all your mail and use your mailbox by using different apps. the new ms mail app works in the same way as the olds mail programme. you can view, use and access your existing mailbox through the new apps main difference between outlook in office and the mail apps is that that the outlook app had the ability to download all your mail and store it locally but imo having it stored on the MS cloud servers is more secure and importantly will be backed up too.
That program was called "Microsoft Mail." It worked wonders for me, until Microsoft introduced that new [Beta] Outlook part. It absorbed all of my electronic mail (e-mail) records. Microsoft really went from one extreme to the next.
I switched to the new "outlook" months ago, yet every time i click on the "outlook" icon, i get a banner at the top asking me to switch to the new outlook.
This stopped working for me in August. The only gripe i have with this new outlook is it doesn't give me notifications. (Yes my settings are on) I would also like to add my own background like we did in WM. However i am still on Win10. Win 11 is on my new laptop and it's shite!
I actually liked the new Outlook (on Windows 10) and then my Microsoft Store broke, such that none of my Store apps start, and neither can they be uninstalled or reinstalled. Spent hours trying to fix and then gave up.
Just dealt with a customer using Windows Mail with an email account from her internet service provider. Outlook (new) left her having to configure all her email settings along with the forgotten mail password, server addresses, ports and security settings. All to hard for her so she had to pay because of the switch.
I'd imagine it's a similar situation to OneNote. There is a version of OneNote with Microsoft 365 (Office). However, there is also OneNote for Windows 10, which reaches end-of-support in Oct 2025. I actually prefer the Windows 10 version. I have no idea why two versions exist.
Wer nutzt diese Software, ich noch nie, es gibt Thunderbird was alles und noch viel mehr und besser kann! Ich habe noch nie seit vielen Jahren mit Thunderbird Probleme gehabt!
1. An old MS Office Outlook will stop working. Mine did. 2. The new Outlook: EULA,Your Privacy, Your Content, 2.b ... go on, read that paragraph you must agree to with new Outlook, and then you will understand why they are pushing this new Outlook. TLDR- you grant MS licence free access to copy and modify your content. 3. New Outlook only seems to support one free account, which is hilarious considering the free one on the phone continues with multiple accounts.
I'm trying to work out whether this 'new' Outlook is actually a program or a web-based App. Looks very much like Outlook on the web (a third use of the Outlook name just to confuse everyone even more).
microsoft seems to be aiming at a “cloud-local hybrid” sort of windows experience and for some reason they decided that mail was one of those things that belong on the cloud.
It's frustrating how awful the built-in apps on Windows have gotten. My Mac has decent to good built-in apps for pretty much everything: email, spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, video editing, music editing, etc. With Windows it feels like it's fighting me. On my Windows machines I've switched to Thunderbird. It's powerful and well-maintained, but isn't as intuitive as I'd like.
Considering the move to Outlook began... over a year ago, (?), I doubt there are many still using the old Mail program anyway. So, this is a non-issue. Also, how is outlook "limited"?
I agree to that Outlook Express was a good email program. I stoped using Windows mail progams in 2014. Used Thunderbird for 1 year, and now I'm on web mail only. I don't need a program to save my mails on my computer.
I have decommissioned virtually all Microsoft software. I only use Windows still, and I desperately want to get rid of that too. No outlook, no Microsoft Office ever again. None of that garbage.
It's not that I can't handle Windows mail, it's that Windows Mail can't handle me... That these nameless programmers, though to be fair it will be the nameless product strategists or whatever MS ecosystem calls them, think I'm that dumb is a mark of their stupidity.
For whatever reason, my Mom's laptop switched to the new Outlook recently. I don't know if she clicked on something or what. She has three email addresses, one personal and two business related. We can not get one of the business addresses to work since the switch. She has to use her phone for that one.
They shut mine off without asking. Now I cannot get into that mail, and I had a lot of things stored. The new program will not self-install and when I try and follow the prompts to manually install it still will not install so I lost a lot of saved things. O by the way. I know that it is still downloading mail because every time it downloads mail, I get the chime to remind me of new mail. I just cannot get into the program to see it.
@@askleonotenboom thanks for the reply. I can get my mail through my ISP web site, BUT I cannot access my saved folder or my draft folder that I was using. Bottom line it is inconvenient change from Microsoft.
Thanks for the info. Never have used Microsoft Outlook mail programs and never will in the future. Matter of fact, I hardly ever used Microsoft Office packages.
There's not really (realistically) a way around Microsoft in many cases/for many people, especially Windows. Still, it makes sense to minimize use of Microsoft products as much as possible, especially avoiding anything "free", "included" or "free trial", and worst of all "cloud" by Microsoft, unless you don't care about who sees/owns your data or your privacy.
Using Hotmail that got changed to Outlook, but not the Office version. Using a desktop and Windows. I really don't like changes lol when it comes to computers. Any ideas about what might occur in the future with the O. version I'm using vs what you announced here??
I almost panicked! And started to change over to Gmail. But I hate, hate, hate their web interface. I noticed a lot of junk email there that I didn't know even existed. Cleaning it out was non-intuitive. Then... But I'm using Office Outlook so all I had to do was upgrade that. I didn't even know there was another Outlook. It's almost like the confusion caused by two Microsoft teams not talking to each other. And web based Gmail is as minimally user friendly as it can possibly be.
I'm not seeing a way. Apparently we rely on whatever its default of checking every-so-often. (Typically it's pretty quick,. but still, I want that "check now" button too.)
I have a very difficult time believing that the Microsoft Office Outlook will be abandoned any time soon. It's entrenched in the corporate world, and the new Outlook is nowhere near enough. It's a very confusing message.
Using the old Outlook app (Office version) I could easily move emails or copy emails from one account to another. Now with the new Outlook for Windows which is basically a web wrapper I can no longer do that. Yet for the new Outlook for Mac app I can do that. Brilliant decision by Microsoft to prioritize their competitor's OS over their own. Basically urging users to move to Mac
I only have 2 email accounts now but the NEW Outlook frustrates me by not having a single inbox that lets me view both accounts incoming mail in the one place. Either that or I can't find the way to do it. If I'm missing 'something' I'd be happy to learn the solution 😁
I quit ms mail services awhile back didn't take long for me to go back. I just pay them ~$2/mo to do all my mail stuff (security, storage, up time, and all that jazz) $2/mo for some peace of mind is so worth it. And way cheaper than a meal at mcDs these days
I avoid Windows software wherever I can. Most of the time, there is superior free software out there. I didn't even know, they had something like mail. Edit: And FU Microsoft for transferring local account information to your "sky net". I never asked for it and I never will do it.
Microsoft has had a history of having a mail server, then removing it, then bringing it back . . . . rinse and repeat. Each time loosing my contacts and archived mail. Never again. Just use Gmail or Apple Mail or Thunderbird with your ISP.
This 'built in' new outlook confuses people who have the full O365 Office installed with the full blown "Outlook'. So I tell people to launch 'classic' Outlook to get the full app they paid for. But it has the 'New Outlook' switch at the upper right to change it a newer version (which is like a beta, and it sucks IMO). But confusing to those who don't realize that now there are two 'new Outlook's' if you switch the full paid Outlook to its new version.
They are pushing for us all to store email in "the cloud" rather than locally, hence the reason local PST files cannot be linked into on the new version of Outlook. That feature is supposed to be coming soon... the way around things at the moment (from Microsoft) is to upload all your pst files into the.... cloud... Yeah...l right... and then we have to pay to store it? I think I'll pass and stick with regular outlook for the time being.
I'm very, very far from a techie, closer to a Luddite actually lol and thoroughly hate changes pertaining to computers. I had for years Hotmail which is still my email address which got changed to a version of Outlook, but it's not the Office version. I'm using a desktop and Windows 7. I think that I'm not to be concerned with the matter you discussed in your video but I need confirmation. Even if I'm not, do you foresee them moving in that direction as well later on with the Hotmail/Outlook version I'm using ? Thanks.
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I've used emClient but I don't like the fact their servers are in China. Found that out when deleting the access to one of my accounts. 😡😡
You speak logically, clearly and concisely, thereby reaching millions more people around the world. Congratulations.
Yes, so many of us appreciate Leo more than he knows.
Another smart idea from Microsoft. Call two different programs the same name
It's actually 3 programs with the same name if you add the browser based solution 😂
Five, I think:
- Outlook [classic]
- Outlook [new]
- Outlook [Microsoft Office]
- Outlook.com [website]
- Outlook [mobile app]
@@askleonotenboomI thought for a sec to use Outlook at some point but then I just couldn't put myself to the big task of figuring out which one of them are which one of them and never tested 😂 I just can't with Microsoft. They're just like Google. You have to have a PhD on their mess to get the best out of it. It shouldn't be like that.
ill never understand why they create new ones instead of redesign the old ones. theres duplicates of everything and they take literally 10 years to remove one. weve never truly recovered from the mess that was Win 8
@@askleonotenboomhow to kill your own product…
I've had enough and now use Thunderbird .
Exactly the add ons and customization is the best
@@maurice482390 I've used Thunderbird for many years - I like the ability to filter messages into separate folders and delete senders I've identified as junk or spam. It's easy to add existing email addresses to it.
Yeh same
Yep - I already use it for years, and don't want anything else. It's more than good enough for me. Especially since you can export and import all mails if you switch machines. I still have mails back from 2004, and it's great if you are looking for old license numbers that have been sent to you in the past. Of course I store my mails locally and not in some weird "cloud".
Which runs great on Linux. Just sayin'.
I dunno, man. I got a Magic 8-Ball sitting on my desk and it says, "Outlook not so good."
I tend to agree with that analysis.
This made me chuckle haha
And I thought I was alone while trying to take full advantage of Microsoft Office 2021.
Before I switched to Apple Mac permanently I used to love using the Windows 10 and 11 mail app. As a totally blind person the screen reader which I used to use on Windows which is called NVDA used to work brilliantly with this app, plus Microsoft made the layout of the old mail app very easy for people like me to navigate using keyboard only. However, I’m sorry to say for people like me the new Outlook isn’t accessible with keyboard Shortcuts alone and screen readers. It is really hard to navigate to your message list and even to do basic tasks such as sending emails, let alone accessing a built-in calendar. Before I switched to Apple Mac I used to have to use Thunderbird as that has a similar layout to the Windows mail app for people needing to use screen readers. I’m glad I switched to Apple Mac as Apple is very good with accessibility, and they also don’t change their apps Just like that.
Kudos to you! You just got Like 15 from me!
Don't worry, Apple will do the same but they will use a 'cooler' name.
At least if Apple does change anything they will make it accessible, or almost all blind people use Apple products because of their high-quality support for accessibility, and Apple has customer service where you can phone them up if things go wrong whereas it’s very hard to get somebody from Microsoft.
Good thing that we started developing OE Classic back in 2009, correctly recognizing this even then, when Microsoft started doing these constant discontinuing of their email clients, starting with Outlook Express, then Windows Mail, then Windows Live Mail and now the Mail for Windows 10/11.
Switched to Mac, never looked back. No forced updates, no janky apps, no virus nonsense. Just me using my computer to get my damn work done.
😢😢😢 me too soon...
Went back to Thunderbird totally forgot that it was a thing still. Been using in 2008 excellent results using it in 2024 is even better.
Did it have calendar and contacts?
@@dons1643 Yeah, it's called Thunderbird Desktop and it's cross platform, so it runs on the same operating systems Thunderbird itself runs on (Linux, Mac, Windows).
It's NOT a fine email client, it's hot garbage. It's a web app that when you give it your email credentials, all your email is now kept on azure
This also means if you have an internal email server, it won't work
Not just emails, its your contact & calendar as well for all Non MS email account. Some people actually think MS isn't trying to spy on everything they do.
Yep. This old man knows nothing
Donj't forget that if you die your inheritors have no legal right to your one drive, your email or your games on Xbox as well. The same applies to nearly all online content and properties including Playstation games.
I use BLUEMAIL
If you're running your own internal email server, you're likely smart enough to be running something entirely different than Outlook.
Friend, you got that right. I have used both editions of Microsoft Mail and the new edition removed all the electronic mail files I have stored for several years. I have Microsoft Office 2021 Professional and the suite may as well be "bloated" with another Microsoft Outlook application program. You really touched my internal gripe with the honest-to-goodness truth. 💙
I am glad that you posted this video. I have never recommended the New Outlook and always suggest that users revert back to Classic Outlook. When reverting back to Classic Outlook, I suggest they report to Microsoft that the reason for reverting back is that there are too many missing features in the New Outlook.
I've used G-mail for years without any problems. It does a really good job at blocking Spam and makes it super easy to delete the Spam. I'd say it blocks 99% of Spam and allows you to report any e-mail that you think is Spam and after that it also goes into the Spam folder. I never used the e-mail that comes with Windows and haven't probably since the early 90's. I can access it virtually anywhere with my cell phone or other devices too.
This is another reason why I stick with reliable Thunderbird.
This is similar to the confusion on mobile as well. There is a Microsoft 365 mobile app which includes Outlook. But then there are also mobile apps for each individual Office application, including an Outlook mobile app.
yeah that's life
You forgot to mention the adverts in the new edition.
I tell my friends firstly to use online email accounts, like Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo etc, and not use any email program. Reason being is, people get peeved off with their current provider and they change internet providers for better deals. Having a Gmail or other online email means, you don't need to let all your contacts know you switched internet providers and have to change their email address for you.
What do you think of American Online (AOL)?
@@captainkeyboard1007 I have heard of it, but I don't use it to have an opinion. Can you tell me more about it?
You can still use Thunderbird to access those emails, has nothing to do with your ISP
Using something like Thunderbird allows you to store emails locally, and get by the online storage limits.
Windows Mail? I haven't heard that name in nearly twenty years. Brings back memories. I didn't think anyone was still using it. I assumed everyone had switched to Thunderbird a decade ago.
It isn't nearly that old is it? The old email client from windows for quite a while was Outlook Express
I switched to the built-in (Windows 10) version of Outlook/Calendar earlier this year and never looked back. It was a completely seamless transition that worked right away. I have no complaints.
Having to deal with this as a call center employee has been my white whale this year because so many folks refuse to switch. Why they didn't just overlay Outlook onto the existing Mail program is one of the stupidest Microsoft things in years. It is literal pain to set up the IMAP and SMTP server settings, and that's before things I can't really assist with during a call, like visual settings and sorting. I usually have to do this all blind too because I'm stubborn about not using my tools to get into a customer's PC so that THEY continue to have full control of setup.
And even worse, the entire thing is web-based, including button assets, so you have to wait for icons to load because someone didn't want to put them in the local app files.
Windows has been a cascade of downhill stupidity since Windows 8. Like a 55 year old boxer they should hang up the gloves. No more ideas. Only harassment of the customer. Went all Linux with Thunderbird in 2019.
This issue makes me wish that all of you TH-cam fans would work at Microsoft so that poor souls like me can have real productive programs that work for the user without disappointment.
@@musicalneptunian It's about what tradeoffs you can accept. Hatred of Windows got me to try Linux several years ago. I hated it more. Had access to a Mac for a while. Hated that more than Windows as well. IMO, most software is crap.
Windows 7 had a decent email program that actually had functionality. The new Outlook is actually OWA: Outlook Web Access with an interface that is supposed to resemble the real Outlook Client.
So, Outlook is Lookout?
What is even weird is the Office Outlook is prompting you to try the new Outlook.
The NEW client really blows. Sponsored ad's now invading all my file folders. Make it STOP!
Make it stop: don't use it. Use a different email program, there are many.
You're absolutely right, Leo, that those using the current Outlook should try out the new Outlook straight away, instead of leaving it till the last minute.
I don't use it, and never have or will, but with so many changes taking place on MS so quickly, it's wise to try and keep up with it all.....including the mess being made of some of it.
Goodbye Mail (& Outlook).
Hello Thunderbird.
Isn't Thunderbird prohibitively *ugly*?
@SFDestiny true, but I'll take functionality over uglyness, especially if it's free. It also has a calendar, irc and matrix built in, so it's perfect for my use case.
OE Classic will remind you of how easy Outlook Express for XP was and it works with Win 11 - Thunderbird is fine also and I have Thunderbird with 4 email addresses supporting POP or IMAP and Local folders set up to filter messages in yearly backups
What I would be interested to know is whether, like with old Outlook, advertising is forced on you or not, or only if you pay for something.
My computer has had problems running the new Outlook. I'm back to using the Outlook that came with the MSOffice package my company bought for me a few years ago. Thanks for the email provider suggestions.
Ignore it, you can use Thunderbird
I always use Gmail on the web and the Gmail app on my iPhone, far superior to Apple's Mail app.
Perhaps they should have brought back the Outlook Express name
Can I just delete Windows Outlook mail altogether ?
Perhaps, but you certainly don't need to use it.
Sure, that is possible without any problems. You don’t have to use any of the Microsoft services. You can uninstall OneDrive, for example. But make a backup first, because this service likes to steal your data when you uninstall it.
This new outlook has bugs no matter if you have all notifications turned on you do not get banner notifications in task bar
Years ago when I figured out that fixing the Registry, etc took too much of my time, we began a new "love hate" relationship with Mac laptops ... once you try MAC you never go back.... Can't stand MAIL.... and we do like AskLeo!
Say goodbye to Windows for me. I've had enough. Going to the dark side. Ordered a Mac Mini M4. So long PC
You made a wise decision
@douglasbrittain7018 Thanks 👍
@@jcwm01 You’re welcome.
Me too. I have a brand new laptop, and I plan on installing Linux Mint on it. I grew tired of Microsoft's nonsense.
@bobhermann7510 Amen to that. Cheers
Thank you for the great heads up!
Only Microsoft could write something that forgets how to do SMTP and IMAP at the end of a calendar year.
What's next, a version of Edge that forgets how to do the HTTP protocol if you don't upgrade?
Don't give them ideas.
You say that there are a huge number of differences but don't give an inkling what they are.
I have only noticed three - firstly New Outlook loads emails quicker when it is opened and the display of attachments is an improvement - two pluses and secondly New Outlook has lost the Send/Receive toggle so some inbound emails take minutes to arrive - a minus.
What else have I not noticed?
Been going on forever in Win10, they keep swapping to Outlook and lose all calendar events. Scrw MSFT, Outlook was junk 20 yrs ago. The windows mail program was junk, but i used the calendar. Their constant swapping back to Outlook is making me test drive Linux versions.
I’m not a windows user at all personal level, but my company uses Microsoft Windows and office on our assigned laptop, and I notice that Microsoft Office Outlook is more robust and has been recommended mail client in the company, and recently they allowed the “new outlook” and some features I like about the latest is that you don’t have to have the program running when scheduling an email, so oddly I use both clients depending on the situation, is not ideal though, the two programs are different just like you said.
I could not get either “Classic Outlook” or “New Outlook” to access my ISP email using IMAP on my brand new Windows 11 laptop. They would only work with POP. Technical support was of no help. I finally downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird and had both of my email accounts up and running with IMAP in four minutes flat. It feels like Microsoft is actually trying to incentivize their user base to look elsewhere. Windows 11 was not ready for public consumption, but Microsoft has foisted it on their user base anyway. I still have my legacy Windows 10 laptop, which is not compatible with Windows 11 requirements, and I have started researching how to install Linux Mint on it. The user rebellion has started.
I use the full Outlook application as included in MS Office 2019, and even at the top of that there is a "Try the new Outlook" switch. Why is it there in the full MS Office version? Is the "new" Outlook in the MS Office version different from the "new" free version?
I didn’t even know that thing still existed!
Using a dedicated program for mail is so 90s. Heck even back then we had webmail.
My old calendar is not an Outlook calendar and I'm not able to export the info to the new Outlook. I'm stuck because I can't even access the old in order to manually move to the new! What do I do?
I don't use Windows Mail. I don't use Outlook even though I subscribe to Office 365. I've used Thunderbird for many years and it just works and is very powerful. I only use "web mail" if I have to. I like a client.
To all who have never had trouble with Thunderbird - I wish that was my experience!! I've been using Thunderbird for years and was perfectly happy until last year or so things started changing and when I installed it on my new laptop I had all my old email lost even though I was following step by step to transfer. Then I periodically have email that I save in local folders disappear. I had hoped to use it forever but the "newer" Thunderbird keep losing things. Any suggestions from anyone?
I've been using Thunderbird for years. never any problems.
One very consistent problem: Too MUCH TIME for program to open. This is usually the only problem.
I learned decades ago not to become dependent on Microsoft...they will giveth and they will taketh away. As long as there are non-Microsoft choices out there, I will usually go that way. I say that even as I am using Windows and don't plan on changing that.
Windows mail actually works. New Outlook doesn't support email addresses that are supported in mail. I am forced to uninstall it EVERY TIME! It's the only way to check my email. I don't have access to the options to turn it off, because outlook won't let me open any options with my email account.
windows mail was and is only a web front end to outlook mail. the mailbox is still hosted on their exchange servers so you can as y9ou say access and view all your mail and use your mailbox by using different apps. the new ms mail app works in the same way as the olds mail programme. you can view, use and access your existing mailbox through the new apps main difference between outlook in office and the mail apps is that that the outlook app had the ability to download all your mail and store it locally but imo having it stored on the MS cloud servers is more secure and importantly will be backed up too.
I didn't even know Windrows had a mail program. I love The Bat.
That program was called "Microsoft Mail." It worked wonders for me, until Microsoft introduced that new [Beta] Outlook part. It absorbed all of my electronic mail (e-mail) records. Microsoft really went from one extreme to the next.
I switched to the new "outlook" months ago, yet every time i click on the "outlook" icon, i get a banner at the top asking me to switch to the new outlook.
The saving grace to this new Outlook is it has a left pane showing access directly to the free Office web apps.
This stopped working for me in August. The only gripe i have with this new outlook is it doesn't give me notifications. (Yes my settings are on) I would also like to add my own background like we did in WM. However i am still on Win10. Win 11 is on my new laptop and it's shite!
they will not be combined. you have to pay for original outlook. they just poorly named the new included outlook in windows 11
I actually liked the new Outlook (on Windows 10) and then my Microsoft Store broke, such that none of my Store apps start, and neither can they be uninstalled or reinstalled. Spent hours trying to fix and then gave up.
Just dealt with a customer using Windows Mail with an email account from her internet service provider. Outlook (new) left her having to configure all her email settings along with the forgotten mail password, server addresses, ports and security settings. All to hard for her so she had to pay because of the switch.
I'd imagine it's a similar situation to OneNote. There is a version of OneNote with Microsoft 365 (Office). However, there is also OneNote for Windows 10, which reaches end-of-support in Oct 2025. I actually prefer the Windows 10 version. I have no idea why two versions exist.
Wer nutzt diese Software, ich noch nie, es gibt Thunderbird was alles und noch viel mehr und besser kann! Ich habe noch nie seit vielen Jahren mit Thunderbird Probleme gehabt!
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I am crying now because of Windows Outlook
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I started using Proton mail and like it.
January 2025 here and the “old outlook” is still working just fine.
1. An old MS Office Outlook will stop working. Mine did.
2. The new Outlook: EULA,Your Privacy, Your Content, 2.b ... go on, read that paragraph you must agree to with new Outlook, and then you will understand why they are pushing this new Outlook. TLDR- you grant MS licence free access to copy and modify your content.
3. New Outlook only seems to support one free account, which is hilarious considering the free one on the phone continues with multiple accounts.
My Outlook via Office 365 still works fine.
I'm trying to work out whether this 'new' Outlook is actually a program or a web-based App. Looks very much like Outlook on the web (a third use of the Outlook name just to confuse everyone even more).
microsoft seems to be aiming at a “cloud-local hybrid” sort of windows experience and for some reason they decided that mail was one of those things that belong on the cloud.
@@firestormjupiter probably designed as an extrernal app from edge to mine more data
I didn't even realize it was still there
It's frustrating how awful the built-in apps on Windows have gotten. My Mac has decent to good built-in apps for pretty much everything: email, spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, video editing, music editing, etc. With Windows it feels like it's fighting me. On my Windows machines I've switched to Thunderbird. It's powerful and well-maintained, but isn't as intuitive as I'd like.
Considering the move to Outlook began... over a year ago, (?), I doubt there are many still using the old Mail program anyway.
So, this is a non-issue.
Also, how is outlook "limited"?
I agree to that Outlook Express was a good email program. I stoped using Windows mail progams in 2014. Used Thunderbird for 1 year, and now I'm on web mail only. I don't need a program to save my mails on my computer.
funniest thing that prior to this calendar works, now it demands an account.
I have decommissioned virtually all Microsoft software. I only use Windows still, and I desperately want to get rid of that too.
No outlook, no Microsoft Office ever again. None of that garbage.
The problem is that the built in app and the official Outlook app look identical. Becomes very frustrating because of the built in limitations.
Support ends. Does that mean that we really can't use Windows Mail after December 2024? In that case the warning is not correct.
It's interesting - I'm lead to believe it will actually stop being able to send/recieve.
It does work,except they implanted a killswitch so each time you open the app it unistalls itself and installs outlook
It's not that I can't handle Windows mail, it's that Windows Mail can't handle me... That these nameless programmers, though to be fair it will be the nameless product strategists or whatever MS ecosystem calls them, think I'm that dumb is a mark of their stupidity.
For whatever reason, my Mom's laptop switched to the new Outlook recently. I don't know if she clicked on something or what. She has three email addresses, one personal and two business related. We can not get one of the business addresses to work since the switch. She has to use her phone for that one.
I use Thunderbird. Better than any email client out there…..!!!
They shut mine off without asking. Now I cannot get into that mail, and I had a lot of things stored. The new program will not self-install and when I try and follow the prompts to manually install it still will not install so I lost a lot of saved things. O by the way. I know that it is still downloading mail because every time it downloads mail, I get the chime to remind me of new mail. I just cannot get into the program to see it.
Try accessing your email using a web browser instead.
@@askleonotenboom thanks for the reply. I can get my mail through my ISP web site, BUT I cannot access my saved folder or my draft folder that I was using. Bottom line it is inconvenient change from Microsoft.
Thanks for the info. Never have used Microsoft Outlook mail programs and never will in the future. Matter of fact, I hardly ever used Microsoft Office packages.
There's not really (realistically) a way around Microsoft in many cases/for many people, especially Windows. Still, it makes sense to minimize use of Microsoft products as much as possible, especially avoiding anything "free", "included" or "free trial", and worst of all "cloud" by Microsoft, unless you don't care about who sees/owns your data or your privacy.
Using Hotmail that got changed to Outlook, but not the Office version. Using a desktop and Windows. I really don't like changes lol when it comes to computers. Any ideas about what might occur in the future with the O. version I'm using vs what you announced here??
this reminds me the Teams that is not the Teams teams from office, but it is the Personal Teams which is different Teams
Better yet, I'm saying goodbye to Windows!
I almost panicked! And started to change over to Gmail. But I hate, hate, hate their web interface. I noticed a lot of junk email there that I didn't know even existed. Cleaning it out was non-intuitive.
Then...
But I'm using Office Outlook so all I had to do was upgrade that. I didn't even know there was another Outlook. It's almost like the confusion caused by two Microsoft teams not talking to each other.
And web based Gmail is as minimally user friendly as it can possibly be.
Question what button do you push in the new outlook to refresh the app to update any new mail coming in.
I'm not seeing a way. Apparently we rely on whatever its default of checking every-so-often. (Typically it's pretty quick,. but still, I want that "check now" button too.)
With Outlook from Office (or Microsoft 365), you can also switch to the new Outlook. The old Outlook will be abandoned.
I have a very difficult time believing that the Microsoft Office Outlook will be abandoned any time soon. It's entrenched in the corporate world, and the new Outlook is nowhere near enough. It's a very confusing message.
Using the old Outlook app (Office version) I could easily move emails or copy emails from one account to another. Now with the new Outlook for Windows which is basically a web wrapper I can no longer do that. Yet for the new Outlook for Mac app I can do that. Brilliant decision by Microsoft to prioritize their competitor's OS over their own. Basically urging users to move to Mac
But those of us using business apps HAVE to stick with Microsoft because Apple concentrates on games and art and playing instead of BUSINESS software.
I only have 2 email accounts now but the NEW Outlook frustrates me by not having a single inbox that lets me view both accounts incoming mail in the one place. Either that or I can't find the way to do it. If I'm missing 'something' I'd be happy to learn the solution 😁
I quit ms mail services awhile back didn't take long for me to go back. I just pay them ~$2/mo to do all my mail stuff (security, storage, up time, and all that jazz) $2/mo for some peace of mind is so worth it. And way cheaper than a meal at mcDs these days
I avoid Windows software wherever I can. Most of the time, there is superior free software out there. I didn't even know, they had something like mail.
Edit: And FU Microsoft for transferring local account information to your "sky net". I never asked for it and I never will do it.
Microsoft has had a history of having a mail server, then removing it, then bringing it back . . . . rinse and repeat. Each time loosing my contacts and archived mail. Never again. Just use Gmail or Apple Mail or Thunderbird with your ISP.
To be clear, it's a mail program (on your PC), not a mail server (what you connect to in the cloud). And yes, their history is horrid.
This 'built in' new outlook confuses people who have the full O365 Office installed with the full blown "Outlook'. So I tell people to launch 'classic' Outlook to get the full app they paid for. But it has the 'New Outlook' switch at the upper right to change it a newer version (which is like a beta, and it sucks IMO). But confusing to those who don't realize that now there are two 'new Outlook's' if you switch the full paid Outlook to its new version.
They are pushing for us all to store email in "the cloud" rather than locally, hence the reason local PST files cannot be linked into on the new version of Outlook. That feature is supposed to be coming soon... the way around things at the moment (from Microsoft) is to upload all your pst files into the.... cloud... Yeah...l right... and then we have to pay to store it? I think I'll pass and stick with regular outlook for the time being.
So, will we need to delete/uninstall it "after it goes away"? Can we delete it before EOY? Thank you Sir.
I'm very, very far from a techie, closer to a Luddite actually lol and thoroughly hate changes pertaining to computers. I had for years Hotmail which is still my email address which got changed to a version of Outlook, but it's not the Office version. I'm using a desktop and Windows 7. I think that I'm not to be concerned with the matter you discussed in your video but I need confirmation. Even if I'm not, do you foresee them moving in that direction as well later on with the Hotmail/Outlook version I'm using ? Thanks.
Outlook (currently using Office Outlook) is by far the most confusing program I regular use.
So basically it is a new version of Outlook Express. I'm ok with that. I'm using Outlook Express anyway. It would be nice to get an update.
Is Windows Live Mail the same as Windows Mail?
No. Windows Live Mail is one of the (many) predecessors to Windows Mail. it's not been supported for a long time.
What bothers me the most about the new mail program is that they have no intention to fix any of the many issues.
I switched to Thunderbird many years ago.
This is REAL simple to solve.
Use Thunderbird. 😀
Yes -- especially if you use it with Linux Mint.
@@PaxAlotin Pfft! Linux? No.