The scary thing about these springboks is that they arrive with a new style of game within such a short time...hardly any kicking!!...against a very strong Ireland team...yet still keeps the leaderboard ticking and staying in the lead the whole game...no matter when ireland scored..then they score...must be friggin frustrating playing this nation.
@@victordastile5204 where did I say the boks played bad? I didn’t .. boks played better for sure but neither team played 100% and it wasn’t all the boks reason for Irelands mistakes.. come on man
@Sineadmcd I love this,the springboks beat Ireland for the first time in 8 years and suddenly their the greatest thing since you know what.I didn't hear these glowing tributes to Ireland when they beat them during the world cup,but then again there always be a reason for not celebrating Ireland. It's one match,calm down,because if you checked the score it was by one score and that was including all the injuries Ireland had and players not available. Always remember countries like south africa, new zealand etc.have massive player pools to choose from over Ireland.Ireland still has a brilliant rugby team.
Nice to see the Boks throw the ball around. Playing this style against a tough Irish team takes guts, not to mention these Bok players have not been together since the world cup. I see them getting better and better. Overall very good performance.
Many South Africans have been calling for a more expansive running game for years. The South African sides of the amateur era were precisely that - full-court monsters who put virtually everyone to the sword, including New Zealand. An attritional forwards-dominated game crept in during the late 1990s and has dominated the Boks ever since. The strategy has been successful in World Cups and Lions series and does exploit one of the country's core strengths - its forwards. However, it neglects another - the astonishing depth of backline talent. It's time to tap into both reserves equally and to shift emphasis away from the pack to the backs, and to shift some of the roles and responsibilities of the forwards to make them comparable to what one sees in Ireland, New Zealand and France. This is what Brown has been brought in to do and he's an ideal person to do it - a true All Black who did great things with the Highlanders. I've often wondered what kind of team would be produced if you combined the best of the men in black with the (SH) men in green. If we get even a fraction of the brilliance that characterised the great All Black sides of the past two or three decades, South Africa will be very, very hard to beat. They already are, of course, but they've got there mainly by route one rugby - kicking for territory, smashing the opposition until they concede a penalty or a turnover, and then bursting through defensive lines with heavies or driving mauls. Adding some innovation, not just to our open play but to our set pieces as well, will make the Boks a more rounded side that can take to the field with a plan A, B and C.
I am 50/50 with this new running style as it nullified our 9 and 10 if we were gonna play like this why did we then not start with LIbbok and grant Williams . I am a bit baffled
No NZ had a better win percentage against all sides in the amateur era and the only reason SA had a good record at home then was because of the SA refs who were shocking
He's incredibly stupid. At one point a few years ago he thought Ireland should replace all the irish players with pacific islanders because apparently we don't have people with the same big athletic genetics. Yeah, I'll certainly cheer for an imported team of foreigners over my own people.
Well played Ireland! Never went away. I don't think either team played their best rugby. Boks looked a bit undercooked, and the Irish perhaps a bit fatigued. Let's hope for another thriller this weekend.
Damien De Allende is so underrated. And he is well rated, but a lot of South Africans have been calling for Esterhuizen which is ludicrous. Glad someone noticing his class. IMHO opinion he’s light years ahead of Esterhuizen, Aki, Barrett, Tiupulotu etc
South Africa look pretty rusty, and the Irish look really good. I think we were a bit fortunate to get the win. Looking forward to seeing the game in my home town next!
Rusty AND experimental on a new game plan Wow love to see when the rust as gone and the new plan works. Nobody expected Eben to play basketball in a rugby game
I was also surprised about the running style, which is great, fun fact - do yourself a favor and watch the Craven week for U/18 teams in SA. We grow up running the ball from side to side. Only our professional sides start with extreme structure and phase play. So it is our natural way to run the ball, maybe that is why the Boks made it look so easy to play our "natural" way.
Some of the best rugby I've ever watched has been at Craven Week. I imagine it was what rugby was like in the amateur days, before 6'9 behemoths stepped onto the field. That said, there was a 6'9 behemoth in one of the competing sides this year 🤣
TBH, I'm *VERY* impressed with the Irish' never-lie-down attitude! It seems that they don't know when to give up? Stubbornness or just being plain daft - it doesn't matter - that's the makings of a winning team!
I totally underestimated Ireland prior to the last game. That was some game and they provided without a shadow of a doubt they are an elite world team with high standards now. Even if they lose the next game, I don't care. That game should really make them all proud of where we have come as a nation. We're missing players but we HAVE players. We are always going to have to dig deep against these teams and they did! They stayed in the game and its a debate whether they could have won it in the end. Thats where they are at. I hope Casey and the others who are injured recover. Poor Sheehan, I feel for the guy. Hopefully its not ACL. We've some big guns coming in now to fill the boots of those positions and make us proud again!!!
SA here, I honestly think Ireland was hard done by the TMO in every instance. Seems like a lot of stuff was missed. Sure Ireland didn't look as dangerous in the backs as usual, but I feel like we got lucky A LOT.
That was my initial thought, but ... The Irish player deliberately stepped over the ball in the ruck, then as he fell, he deliberately used his leg to hock the ball back to the Irish side. Watch the replay. It was correct to disallow that try.
Very balanced. You’re right. Next batch will be like Poker, both will have to readjust. It will come down to the plan in the next match. I hope the ref & team have less to do with this one.
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316he was in a neck lock ( illegal) and probably had little clue where the ball was. Advantage should have been played = try is good. Failing that it should have been a yellow & penalty. Either way knocks a team mentally. Momentum shifting occurrence.
Both teams will want to take it up a notch in Durbs...less unforced errors. More clinical performance needed from both. Irish will miss Sheehan especially. Ringrose a very good replacement for Henshaw if req. I want Libbok on the bench in a 5/3 think he'll cook in this attacking shape, Roos to start, Kwagga to the bench. Come on Saturday!
Think this weekend is going to be huge - Ireland are a brilliant team and incredibly tough and will hang in the fight and have the ability to strike. So as an SA fan can’t wait for the game but very nervous for Saturday and can’t wait for future games in Aviva etc - it’s a shame we play against each other so seldom
As a saffa I don't like how different the Springboks are playing because it's so drastically different. I know that everything has to evolve but this is a bit much so quickly and you could see that on the field. Why wouldn't you start Libbok if you want to move the ball around and do the whole NZ expansive game because Pollard and Faf looked a bit lost at times because they are used to playing behind a dominant pack. Our flow goes thru Pollard and Faf and those guys are so used to keeping a tight flow not this running game we see now. I just think we should not rush into this offensive style because it's not our identity. At the end of the day and I mean no disrespect to the rest of the rugby world but the Springboks way of playing has to be the style that beats the All Blacks and nobody can beat the All Blacks by playing their game.
I have a lot of time for Mr Jackman, but both sides were off the boil on Saturdays. Maybe rust from the Boks and fatigue from Ireland? I think the biggest concern for Ireland is the lack of depth in the front row. Porter was incredible, but the reserve front row wouldn't make a Bok 4th XV.
This was the first time that this Bok squad played together since the RWC final so I expected them to be rusty. To play that way and beat the world no. 2 says something but Ireland were off the pace due a long season. Unfortunately we'll never get teams playing one another full strength based on our calendars unless they invite the Boks to the 6N 😂
O’Mahony had one of the best finishes to his international career, captaining Ireland to a 6n title. The Irfu think he’s finished but because let’s be real, Andy Farrell and Peter O Mahony are basically mates at this stage rather than coach and player, Farrell pushed to get him on another year. He really struggled on Saturday, just look at that passage of De Allende putting him on arse twice in a few seconds. Munster fans will get all sensitive but realistically Munster don’t need him either anymore, Gleeson looks big enough to become a big player for Munster next year and Ahern has been on fire at 6. You’d also say Sean Edogbo and Evan O Connell could be URC players for Munster next year also. POM getting a nice contract in Japan or France to finish his career would’ve made sense for all parties involved. Call a spade a spade, hopefully Humphries starts being more ruthless with Farrell about his clear over loyalty to players
It's Bizarre that he's starting for Ireland in the most contested position in the team (backrow). Looking at his performances for his province this year, he shouldn't be a starter even for URC level.
Hi from Cape Town. It was a vallient effort from Ireland. Respect. Both teams are on par. Perhaps we over analize too much... I think it is all about how much a team BELIEVES in themselves. Mind over matter. We Saffas grow up with that simple mindset.😊❤Simple.
It was the altitude that got Ireland more than anything tbh. I could see it on Bundi. I am very proud of the Springboks but I think that the altitude got you guys. Going to be a better performance for you guys in Durban.
How can Ireland and Leinster select a 37 year old Prop in Cian Healy to only give you 10 minutes and still get monstered come scrum time and still have this perspective that they are trying to be the no1 team in the world?? Cmon!!
The irish struggled with Bok defense, but those tries that they scored show why they are so good…insane skill to get past that defense and come back fighting…reminds me of the ABs whenever they were being dominated by the Boks physicality and defensively they would find a way to creep back and win… only difference is the Boks know this, and they know the only way to stop it from happening is to score more points… hence the new back line expansive style. It’s exciting to think what we could do with our electric wingers etc if we gave them the ball more.
Our attack play against Ierland obviously came at a cost to our traditional defence you can expect a differant gameplan in the next test in Durban, we have an enormous amount of players to choose from because of the talent generated in the Craven week stuctures and we have to give the attacking side of our rugby alot more leverage, hopefully by the Durban test the balance between attack and defence will be balanced out, once this has been achieved you will see a side that is going to be extremely hard to beat, can't wait
@@gavancasey9678 True but I think expecting a subscription for every small rugby pod is a bit much. Maybe that's the only way to be economically viable but that doesn't mean people will sign up easily. Your podcast is very good by the way, just any podcast is way down my personal list of things I should pay money for.
Spot on. Ireland looked fatigued, but I always felt that even if Ireland stepped it up a gear, the Boks would do so as well. From the start of the second half, I thought the Boks were going to win. Kings Park will be different. Ireland have some pride to salvage and the Boks will want to play with better accuracy in their game. As for the future of the Bok game, the level of backline talent coming through the youth structures is at another level. We may be lucky to see some of that come through at the next RWC. Sacha is going to lead the way.
Thank you for constructive review. From a Boks supporter perspective, we reached a new era in terms of adaptation to change of rules, style of play and strategic approach. You have to Innovate or else you will evaporate.
Ireland were definitely not at their best, but how much of it was down the the 'slow poison' pressure that the boks put on them. The most pleasing aspect of Saturday was the extra layer the boks are adding to their game, and given more time they're only going to be a very dangerous side. It was a brave move to play the style they did, they could easily have played the same way they played in the world cup.
The Boks had to evolve its attacking play if it was going to really consider winning another RWC - I mean winning 3 knockout games by 1 point is too close for comfort 😂😂 but I also believe and hope that this transformation of play does not overwhelm our DNA which is to still run people over and dominate the opposition in set pieces. Hopefully it just adds more skills to the already world class forwards like Ezebeth, PSDT and Kolisi - plus if they take those skills to their club game, they will easily make 2027
Feel like best team won either way but ireland were there or there abouts few decisions go the other way and it's a different scoreline, lowe try unlucky to be called back , unlucky again not get penalty for kelleher neck roll in that, lowe trying to keep the ball in his team mates let him down and judging by the trajectory of the ball out of the hands he probably was just in touch while still touching the ball but no camera angle to show, lowe error on the restart seen image now kolbe is by far in front of the restart in the ireland half before the 10 even kicks the ball. I'd expect next week not to be close though injuries and tired bodies
Springboks have to reach a balance eventually. May be sooner may be later, but full attack every game from everywhere won't be sustainable for them. Alister Coetzee's Boks showed that. But Rassie knows that and he won't dismiss his kicking and set piece game. I'm sure he's aiming for a balance rather than wholesale changes.
It is rather evident that the Boks continue to confuse their rivals and critics. As a coach, Rassie is a maverick in everything he does, which means that his tactics are unpredictable. The biggest problem for the critics is that changing the laws and rules to try and restrict us doesn't deliver the desired effect. The Maverick mindset thrives under such conditions. Every single critic used to complain that Springbok rugby was bland and predictable. Now that they can't keep up with the genius of a coach and the style we play, they complain about the brutality or anything that they can conjure up, as long as it can cause a change in the laws. Keep up with your own innovation in your approach rather than killing the game of rugby to suit yourself. Rugby should be a game for the players and fans of it; not a display of refereeing every possible restriction possible.
This should be the swan song forr a great generation of players , POM , and especially Healy should not play the 2nd test, Healy got minced in that 5 meter scrum, why Loughman is not there is beyond me. But lets get Jager in there and put Bealham at loosehead. Start Baird at 6 for a better lineout and bring on Cormac Izuchukwu, why not ? Let Doris develop as the starting captain he obviously needs the practice.
Your comment make sense to me . There's no denying we need to develop more depth to stay in the game . Our coaches are doing wonders with the players they have . It's tough at the top , more depth please . ?
Totally agree. Respect to POM and Healy but they’ve had their day. Bring on these other lads and let them get the experience win or lose, we need to start building. It was good to see Osborne at full back. McCloskey could be good too, very strong.
Boks were always going to change their game and will continue to change... Everyone watched Chasing The Sun 2 which took you into the coaching strategy ...and they gave all access knowing full well they not going to be playing that same type of game again
Rassie knows the new rules will change approach, he knows the same strategy will not work a 3rd time, we have to adjust, it may take years but adjust we will.
I wouldn't get too cocky South African supporters, Ireland are just warming up. Remember the first test against New Zealand was a much more comprehensive victory for New Zealand in NZ. Ireland will have learned a lot about how to beat SA, and won't have to overcome altitude .
There is an age profile issue with the springbok. They have a lot of 30 plus. They will be feeling it. It will be interesting to see if they can repeat it in the next game. Ireland has more to offer and can go up a gear. It was their worst performance yet.
Ireland are already 3 players down, the rest are hurting after that game. The Boks do this week in and week out so are fresh. Also quite a few new caps recently so don't worry about the age profile of the Bokke, they have plenty of world class talent coming through.
Can anyone explain why they have called up the Ulster back up scrum half instead of John Cooney? Ulster tried to move Doak to out half as they don't rate him as a starter at 9. Yet Farrell seems to think he is better than Cooney. That first try was created in the same way that England went wide for their first try against Ireland in the 6N. Ireland were not expecting it. I bet Rassie saw that game and decided to start in exactly the same way. We learned nothing from that it seems,
Cooney has been ignored by Farrell for years. I used to think it was Sexton whom did not want him around because Cooney is a better place kicker and plays a bit like a 10.
@@lizzyhanahoe4197 and Ireland HANDED them 14 points for free out of nothing. Bok fans don't realise that they can quite easy lose these games to Ireland. I think they trult believe they can't and are in a bubble.
Stormers has always been playing running rugby and its evident in the Bokke who played for Stormers. So for them it's easy to adapt however we could see that other Bokke who's not use to running rugby style was a bit lost in the game. Faf, Pollard etc never looked like they were settled. Kwagga should definitely start in 2nd half as an impact player. Roos no 8 or get Dyamani. If Tony wants to play the running rugby then use Grant Williams as scrumhalf, Libbok as flyhalf, get Dyamani and Warrick Gelant in on the Bok team. Even Thaakir Abrahams of Sharks as a back up wing. So basically some of players at hand aren't the right players for the running rugby game. Rassie should stick to what he knows with the players he have if they don't wanna get other players in who can play running rugby. Thanx. Cape Town.
This is a strange assessment of the game. South Africa played some rugby? ..oh really . .Quelle Surprise . .Ireland created 5 tries . .South Africa .one. Give Ireland some credit
Scrappy game overall from all sides, probably nerves .. I think Ireland was probably hard done by on the Kolbe try, but to have Pollard off his kicking game like that is rarer than hens teeth. In the end that’s sport. Sometimes I miss the old days … referees make mistakes … that was always part of any game, rugby, football cricket etc but in the old days what the referee saw or didn’t see was final. Sometimes you had a good day sometimes a bad day. Personally I think we should just scrap the TMOs (in all sports) what referees and umpires do.. they do .. that’s just sport ( and life)
@@niallormond6972 From a young age! Get schools more intrested in Rugby.Get "scouts" going to schools looking for talent!! In SA. Grey's college,Paarl Gymnasium with a great rugby culture!
Yeah, I've noticed it since world cup, they are obsessed with us, Bitter twisted minds, We literally couldn't give a crap Support our team win lose or draw,
these pundits musta been watching a different game/ why did South Africa squeak a win? Cause Crowley missed vital kickable kicks!!!, Lowe gave up a silly try, the Ref ignored the Snyman late tackle, altitude, Henderson got hammered by Kyolsi, the TMO chalked off a decent Irish try. instead these two are talking about Tony Brown!
The problem with the boks was they never had a proper attacking coach so they build a game plan on defense, Now suddenly the have one and the pundits are creaming go back to the barge rugby. I just love listening to all the couch potato critics
The Irish are crying they tired. Catch a bloody wake-up In the past all southern hemisphere team had the same problem in the northers November tours. MANAGE YOUR PLAYERS Lenster did AND lost to the Bulls
The scary thing about these springboks is that they arrive with a new style of game within such a short time...hardly any kicking!!...against a very strong Ireland team...yet still keeps the leaderboard ticking and staying in the lead the whole game...no matter when ireland scored..then they score...must be friggin frustrating playing this nation.
Ireland didn’t play like a strong team .
@@SmcdMcd-d2kthey weren't allowed to. Give credit where it's due.
@@victordastile5204 where did I say the boks played bad? I didn’t .. boks played better for sure but neither team played 100% and it wasn’t all the boks reason for Irelands mistakes.. come on man
@Sineadmcd I love this,the springboks beat Ireland for the first time in 8 years and suddenly their the greatest thing since you know what.I didn't hear these glowing tributes to Ireland when they beat them during the world cup,but then again there always be a reason for not celebrating Ireland. It's one match,calm down,because if you checked the score it was by one score and that was including all the injuries Ireland had and players not available. Always remember countries like south africa, new zealand etc.have massive player pools to choose from over Ireland.Ireland still has a brilliant rugby team.
SA did not play a string team either at least 6 x players injured ?
I’ve watched all the discussion programs after the game. Yours were definitely one of the best ito detailed analysis. Congratulations!
Nice to see the Boks throw the ball around. Playing this style against a tough Irish team takes guts, not to mention these Bok players have not been together since the world cup.
I see them getting better and better. Overall very good performance.
Ireland qreat quality team. Respected here in the RSA
Many South Africans have been calling for a more expansive running game for years. The South African sides of the amateur era were precisely that - full-court monsters who put virtually everyone to the sword, including New Zealand. An attritional forwards-dominated game crept in during the late 1990s and has dominated the Boks ever since. The strategy has been successful in World Cups and Lions series and does exploit one of the country's core strengths - its forwards. However, it neglects another - the astonishing depth of backline talent.
It's time to tap into both reserves equally and to shift emphasis away from the pack to the backs, and to shift some of the roles and responsibilities of the forwards to make them comparable to what one sees in Ireland, New Zealand and France. This is what Brown has been brought in to do and he's an ideal person to do it - a true All Black who did great things with the Highlanders. I've often wondered what kind of team would be produced if you combined the best of the men in black with the (SH) men in green. If we get even a fraction of the brilliance that characterised the great All Black sides of the past two or three decades, South Africa will be very, very hard to beat. They already are, of course, but they've got there mainly by route one rugby - kicking for territory, smashing the opposition until they concede a penalty or a turnover, and then bursting through defensive lines with heavies or driving mauls. Adding some innovation, not just to our open play but to our set pieces as well, will make the Boks a more rounded side that can take to the field with a plan A, B and C.
I am 50/50 with this new running style as it nullified our 9 and 10 if we were gonna play like this why did we then not start with LIbbok and grant Williams . I am a bit baffled
No NZ had a better win percentage against all sides in the amateur era and the only reason SA had a good record at home then was because of the SA refs who were shocking
Since neutral refs SA record ain't half as Good which tells you something about SA refs then
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@@Sportsfan1042 I see, so even when South Africa won, they didn't deserve to win? Would you like a side of salt with those sour grapes?
Those passing stats are insane 😮
I'm shocked how fast the Springboks shifted how they played and looked comfortable doing it. I'm not sure which version of play I prefer.
I think if we can get a nice balance between the 2 would make us very difficult side to beat
As a Saffa, Bernard Jackman is the best rugby pundit out there....rugby acumen top shelf!
He's incredibly stupid. At one point a few years ago he thought Ireland should replace all the irish players with pacific islanders because apparently we don't have people with the same big athletic genetics. Yeah, I'll certainly cheer for an imported team of foreigners over my own people.
Don't be a troll, Bernard Jackson has about as much knowledge as a fish
@@Baz-h9h He's actually very well regarded. And you're a nobody troll.
@@Baz-h9h Wow...I guess ur one of the koolaid drinking irishman a bit sore with an 2-0 shout out in the making is SA.
Well played Ireland! Never went away. I don't think either team played their best rugby. Boks looked a bit undercooked, and the Irish perhaps a bit fatigued. Let's hope for another thriller this weekend.
Don't be trolling
Damien De Allende is so underrated. And he is well rated, but a lot of South Africans have been calling for Esterhuizen which is ludicrous. Glad someone noticing his class. IMHO opinion he’s light years ahead of Esterhuizen, Aki, Barrett, Tiupulotu etc
South Africa look pretty rusty, and the Irish look really good. I think we were a bit fortunate to get the win. Looking forward to seeing the game in my home town next!
Rusty AND experimental on a new game plan Wow love to see when the rust as gone and the new plan works. Nobody expected Eben to play basketball in a rugby game
As a South African, I enjoyed the conversation.
I was also surprised about the running style, which is great, fun fact - do yourself a favor and watch the Craven week for U/18 teams in SA. We grow up running the ball from side to side. Only our professional sides start with extreme structure and phase play. So it is our natural way to run the ball, maybe that is why the Boks made it look so easy to play our "natural" way.
Some of the best rugby I've ever watched has been at Craven Week. I imagine it was what rugby was like in the amateur days, before 6'9 behemoths stepped onto the field.
That said, there was a 6'9 behemoth in one of the competing sides this year
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I'm with you on this one. I watched some of his previews during the RWC last year and it was out of this world.
@davesmith826 yes, he is in Monument high school. My son is in Jeppe boys and we are playing against them this Saturday. It's gonna be epic...
TBH, I'm *VERY* impressed with the Irish' never-lie-down attitude! It seems that they don't know when to give up? Stubbornness or just being plain daft - it doesn't matter - that's the makings of a winning team!
I totally underestimated Ireland prior to the last game. That was some game and they provided without a shadow of a doubt they are an elite world team with high standards now. Even if they lose the next game, I don't care. That game should really make them all proud of where we have come as a nation. We're missing players but we HAVE players. We are always going to have to dig deep against these teams and they did! They stayed in the game and its a debate whether they could have won it in the end. Thats where they are at. I hope Casey and the others who are injured recover. Poor Sheehan, I feel for the guy. Hopefully its not ACL. We've some big guns coming in now to fill the boots of those positions and make us proud again!!!
SA here, I honestly think Ireland was hard done by the TMO in every instance. Seems like a lot of stuff was missed. Sure Ireland didn't look as dangerous in the backs as usual, but I feel like we got lucky A LOT.
That was my initial thought, but ...
The Irish player deliberately stepped over the ball in the ruck, then as he fell, he deliberately used his leg to hock the ball back to the Irish side. Watch the replay. It was correct to disallow that try.
Very balanced. You’re right.
Next batch will be like Poker, both will have to readjust. It will come down to the plan in the next match.
I hope the ref & team have less to do with this one.
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316he was in a neck lock ( illegal) and probably had little clue where the ball was.
Advantage should have been played = try is good.
Failing that it should have been a yellow & penalty.
Either way knocks a team mentally. Momentum shifting occurrence.
And Ireland goy away with murder at the scrums. Porter is technically excellent, but he was repeatedly hinging and not taking the hit.
We missed all our kicks, Ireland were lucky we didn't win by more. The TMO calls were corrext
Both teams will want to take it up a notch in Durbs...less unforced errors. More clinical performance needed from both. Irish will miss Sheehan especially. Ringrose a very good replacement for Henshaw if req. I want Libbok on the bench in a 5/3 think he'll cook in this attacking shape, Roos to start, Kwagga to the bench. Come on Saturday!
I'll be at the stadium, I can't wait.
Next week will be worse with injuries. Don't really know what he can realistically change in a week to get a win. I feel this one was our chance
Bro your guys played well . No one knows what can happen. . Don't lose hope. And remember you playing us at home..
Think this weekend is going to be huge - Ireland are a brilliant team and incredibly tough and will hang in the fight and have the ability to strike. So as an SA fan can’t wait for the game but very nervous for Saturday and can’t wait for future games in Aviva etc - it’s a shame we play against each other so seldom
The only shame is your comment
Great comment thanks
URC now every year bro
As a saffa I don't like how different the Springboks are playing because it's so drastically different. I know that everything has to evolve but this is a bit much so quickly and you could see that on the field. Why wouldn't you start Libbok if you want to move the ball around and do the whole NZ expansive game because Pollard and Faf looked a bit lost at times because they are used to playing behind a dominant pack. Our flow goes thru Pollard and Faf and those guys are so used to keeping a tight flow not this running game we see now. I just think we should not rush into this offensive style because it's not our identity. At the end of the day and I mean no disrespect to the rest of the rugby world but the Springboks way of playing has to be the style that beats the All Blacks and nobody can beat the All Blacks by playing their game.
I have a lot of time for Mr Jackman, but both sides were off the boil on Saturdays. Maybe rust from the Boks and fatigue from Ireland?
I think the biggest concern for Ireland is the lack of depth in the front row. Porter was incredible, but the reserve front row wouldn't make a Bok 4th XV.
This was the first time that this Bok squad played together since the RWC final so I expected them to be rusty. To play that way and beat the world no. 2 says something but Ireland were off the pace due a long season. Unfortunately we'll never get teams playing one another full strength based on our calendars unless they invite the Boks to the 6N 😂
Excellent analysis, thanks lads
Now this was an informed and insightful conversation, so different from what happened over at Virgin Media. Well done, guys!
O’Mahony had one of the best finishes to his international career, captaining Ireland to a 6n title. The Irfu think he’s finished but because let’s be real, Andy Farrell and Peter O Mahony are basically mates at this stage rather than coach and player, Farrell pushed to get him on another year. He really struggled on Saturday, just look at that passage of De Allende putting him on arse twice in a few seconds. Munster fans will get all sensitive but realistically Munster don’t need him either anymore, Gleeson looks big enough to become a big player for Munster next year and Ahern has been on fire at 6. You’d also say Sean Edogbo and Evan O Connell could be URC players for Munster next year also. POM getting a nice contract in Japan or France to finish his career would’ve made sense for all parties involved. Call a spade a spade, hopefully Humphries starts being more ruthless with Farrell about his clear over loyalty to players
It's Bizarre that he's starting for Ireland in the most contested position in the team (backrow). Looking at his performances for his province this year, he shouldn't be a starter even for URC level.
@@JohnSmith-wo2fz You’d understand it if we hadn’t anyone else playing well in his position, but Baird and Izuchukwu have had really strong seasons
Keep the answer shorter next time
100% Sexton definitely shouldn’t have been playing the 2nd half in the WC against NZ. Farrell isn’t near as ruthless as people say he is.
@@Baz-h9hF awf with your negativity.
Hi from Cape Town. It was a vallient effort from Ireland. Respect. Both teams are on par. Perhaps we over analize too much... I think it is all about how much a team BELIEVES in themselves. Mind over matter. We Saffas grow up with that simple mindset.😊❤Simple.
It was the altitude that got Ireland more than anything tbh. I could see it on Bundi. I am very proud of the Springboks but I think that the altitude got you guys. Going to be a better performance for you guys in Durban.
How can Ireland and Leinster select a 37 year old Prop in Cian Healy to only give you 10 minutes and still get monstered come scrum time and still have this perspective that they are trying to be the no1 team in the world?? Cmon!!
You're right, it's bad, but imagine if we didn't have him. The young props don't seem to be coming through as obviously international quality
I would not worry about Libbok. I would worry about Sacha Feinberg-Mngomzulu. He is a real talent at 10.
The irish struggled with Bok defense, but those tries that they scored show why they are so good…insane skill to get past that defense and come back fighting…reminds me of the ABs whenever they were being dominated by the Boks physicality and defensively they would find a way to creep back and win… only difference is the Boks know this, and they know the only way to stop it from happening is to score more points… hence the new back line expansive style. It’s exciting to think what we could do with our electric wingers etc if we gave them the ball more.
The ref played advantage to Boks from a knock on but stopped Ireland when the Boks knocked on - Ref was inconsistent with his decisions!
Durban isn't humid in winter. The weather is absolutely perfect in winter - it never rains and the temperature is pleasant in the mid 20's
Our attack play against Ierland obviously came at a cost to our traditional defence you can expect a differant gameplan in the next test in Durban, we have an enormous amount of players to choose from because of the talent generated in the Craven week stuctures and we have to give the attacking side of our rugby alot more leverage, hopefully by the Durban test the balance between attack and defence will be balanced out, once this has been achieved you will see a side that is going to be extremely hard to beat, can't wait
Totally agree it nullified far and pollard would have suited libbok and Williams better in my amateur opinion lol
Nobody mentioned POM. You can't inspire anyone as captain when you're being carried as a player.
We spoke about it later in the full pod!
@@gavancasey9678 Fair enough but I'm not watching that through a paywall.
@@Camcolito👏
@@CamcolitoFair enough - we’re not working for free either, ha!
@@gavancasey9678 True but I think expecting a subscription for every small rugby pod is a bit much. Maybe that's the only way to be economically viable but that doesn't mean people will sign up easily. Your podcast is very good by the way, just any podcast is way down my personal list of things I should pay money for.
Spot on. Ireland looked fatigued, but I always felt that even if Ireland stepped it up a gear, the Boks would do so as well. From the start of the second half, I thought the Boks were going to win. Kings Park will be different. Ireland have some pride to salvage and the Boks will want to play with better accuracy in their game.
As for the future of the Bok game, the level of backline talent coming through the youth structures is at another level. We may be lucky to see some of that come through at the next RWC. Sacha is going to lead the way.
Thank you for constructive review.
From a Boks supporter perspective, we reached a new era in terms of adaptation to change of rules, style of play and strategic approach.
You have to Innovate or else you will evaporate.
Ireland were definitely not at their best, but how much of it was down the the 'slow poison' pressure that the boks put on them. The most pleasing aspect of Saturday was the extra layer the boks are adding to their game, and given more time they're only going to be a very dangerous side.
It was a brave move to play the style they did, they could easily have played the same way they played in the world cup.
Big fan of Kinsella
The Boks had to evolve its attacking play if it was going to really consider winning another RWC - I mean winning 3 knockout games by 1 point is too close for comfort 😂😂 but I also believe and hope that this transformation of play does not overwhelm our DNA which is to still run people over and dominate the opposition in set pieces.
Hopefully it just adds more skills to the already world class forwards like Ezebeth, PSDT and Kolisi - plus if they take those skills to their club game, they will easily make 2027
What about the referee? Not to mention the TMO.
What about England's stunning performance against the mighty All Blacks?
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@@Baz-h9hlol.
Youd worry about that pack without Byrne. Healey got destroyed.
Feel like best team won either way but ireland were there or there abouts few decisions go the other way and it's a different scoreline, lowe try unlucky to be called back , unlucky again not get penalty for kelleher neck roll in that, lowe trying to keep the ball in his team mates let him down and judging by the trajectory of the ball out of the hands he probably was just in touch while still touching the ball but no camera angle to show, lowe error on the restart seen image now kolbe is by far in front of the restart in the ireland half before the 10 even kicks the ball. I'd expect next week not to be close though injuries and tired bodies
I agree with next week, the injuries will be too much for us to beat SA. I have no complaints about the result, the best team won for sure!
@ronniemurtagh1786 Honestly want to know mate who on the Irish side are injured and doubtful to play?
@@ContendformyFaith casey sheehan fully gone , loads of unsure aki porter henshaw osborne
@@niallormond6972on this weeks showing Sheehan the only one that would be missed.
@@niallormond6972on this weeks showing Sheehan the only one that would be missed.
Twickenham against the abs, that is the model for sa, strong forwards, and expansive creative play
That was the closest game of Ireland vs TMO ive ever seen.
Springboks have to reach a balance eventually. May be sooner may be later, but full attack every game from everywhere won't be sustainable for them. Alister Coetzee's Boks showed that. But Rassie knows that and he won't dismiss his kicking and set piece game. I'm sure he's aiming for a balance rather than wholesale changes.
It is rather evident that the Boks continue to confuse their rivals and critics.
As a coach, Rassie is a maverick in everything he does, which means that his tactics are unpredictable.
The biggest problem for the critics is that changing the laws and rules to try and restrict us doesn't deliver the desired effect. The Maverick mindset thrives under such conditions.
Every single critic used to complain that Springbok rugby was bland and predictable. Now that they can't keep up with the genius of a coach and the style we play, they complain about the brutality or anything that they can conjure up, as long as it can cause a change in the laws.
Keep up with your own innovation in your approach rather than killing the game of rugby to suit yourself.
Rugby should be a game for the players and fans of it; not a display of refereeing every possible restriction possible.
Thought Ireland would ropa dope them until the freak Kolbe try
They were robbed
@@Baz-h9h The TMO had a lot to say
This should be the swan song forr a great generation of players , POM , and especially Healy should not play the 2nd test, Healy got minced in that 5 meter scrum, why Loughman is not there is beyond me. But lets get Jager in there and put Bealham at loosehead. Start Baird at 6 for a better lineout and bring on Cormac Izuchukwu, why not ? Let Doris develop as the starting captain he obviously needs the practice.
Your comment make sense to me . There's no denying we need to develop more depth to stay in the game . Our coaches are doing wonders with the players they have .
It's tough at the top , more depth please . ?
Totally agree. Respect to POM and Healy but they’ve had their day. Bring on these other lads and let them get the experience win or lose, we need to start building. It was good to see Osborne at full back. McCloskey could be good too, very strong.
Boks were always going to change their game and will continue to change... Everyone watched Chasing The Sun 2 which took you into the coaching strategy ...and they gave all access knowing full well they not going to be playing that same type of game again
Rassie knows the new rules will change approach, he knows the same strategy will not work a 3rd time, we have to adjust, it may take years but adjust we will.
I wouldn't get too cocky South African supporters, Ireland are just warming up. Remember the first test against New Zealand was a much more comprehensive victory for New Zealand in NZ. Ireland will have learned a lot about how to beat SA, and won't have to overcome altitude .
There is an age profile issue with the springbok. They have a lot of 30 plus. They will be feeling it. It will be interesting to see if they can repeat it in the next game. Ireland has more to offer and can go up a gear. It was their worst performance yet.
I actually don’t think Ireland are going to cope with the physicality coming to them this weekend!
Ireland are already 3 players down, the rest are hurting after that game. The Boks do this week in and week out so are fresh. Also quite a few new caps recently so don't worry about the age profile of the Bokke, they have plenty of world class talent coming through.
@@TheMatGun What a silly comment. The Bok don't do that week in week out. No teams do. Stop pretending they are all superman FFS. Delusional.
@@LeMerch they did it in the WC knockouts...
Can anyone explain why they have called up the Ulster back up scrum half instead of John Cooney? Ulster tried to move Doak to out half as they don't rate him as a starter at 9. Yet Farrell seems to think he is better than Cooney.
That first try was created in the same way that England went wide for their first try against Ireland in the 6N. Ireland were not expecting it. I bet Rassie saw that game and decided to start in exactly the same way. We learned nothing from that it seems,
Cooney has been ignored by Farrell for years. I used to think it was Sexton whom did not want him around because Cooney is a better place kicker and plays a bit like a 10.
Ireland never expected springboks to run the ball whole time
The TMO beat Ireland!
I think the decisions were more or less right. On another day it could have been different.
Both teams played horrendous. I'm shocked we didn't beat Ireland by 20 points. Hectic rust on both teams.
Rust by SA
Fatigue by ireland
Its about time springboks get some luck go their way, especially seeing how unlucky the proteas was vs India
Do you think if Ireland play their game better, we have a chance next week. I thought Ireland didn't play well and nearly won.. 🤔
Agree, 2 tries disallowed. I think had we levelled up with SA they may have become disheartened, the crowd would be quietened……..
@@lizzyhanahoe4197 and Ireland HANDED them 14 points for free out of nothing. Bok fans don't realise that they can quite easy lose these games to Ireland. I think they trult believe they can't and are in a bubble.
Stormers has always been playing running rugby and its evident in the Bokke who played for Stormers. So for them it's easy to adapt however we could see that other Bokke who's not use to running rugby style was a bit lost in the game. Faf, Pollard etc never looked like they were settled. Kwagga should definitely start in 2nd half as an impact player. Roos no 8 or get Dyamani. If Tony wants to play the running rugby then use Grant Williams as scrumhalf, Libbok as flyhalf, get Dyamani and Warrick Gelant in on the Bok team. Even Thaakir Abrahams of Sharks as a back up wing. So basically some of players at hand aren't the right players for the running rugby game. Rassie should stick to what he knows with the players he have if they don't wanna get other players in who can play running rugby. Thanx. Cape Town.
Heed these words,my on field decision is? No TMO is going to disagree with that call
Did you guys say who NUMBER ONE Is?
Oh but Ireland are clearly the best team in the world
This is a strange assessment of the game. South Africa played some rugby? ..oh really . .Quelle Surprise . .Ireland created 5 tries . .South Africa .one. Give Ireland some credit
I think you have a bit of bias stuck on your glasses. Just give them a quick wipe!
I agree, how dare they give South Africa any credit? South Africa should be shite and all that, they're not entitled to any credit
Scrappy game overall from all sides, probably nerves .. I think Ireland was probably hard done by on the Kolbe try, but to have Pollard off his kicking game like that is rarer than hens teeth. In the end that’s sport. Sometimes I miss the old days … referees make mistakes … that was always part of any game, rugby, football cricket etc but in the old days what the referee saw or didn’t see was final. Sometimes you had a good day sometimes a bad day. Personally I think we should just scrap the TMOs (in all sports) what referees and umpires do.. they do .. that’s just sport ( and life)
I hate this narrative about Irish players being fatigued. Bundee has barely played in the past 6 months for god sake
The host has gotta jump in and probe and/or move the conversation towards talking points. He lets the lads go on for wayyyyy to long
The scoreboard flattered Ireland.Ireland will be hammered next match
Oh go home
Boring comment
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Whose flag is that?
It's the LGBT flag original, but it's quite contradictory
@@lizzyhanahoe4197 4 (four) time Rugby World Champions
@@Baz-h9h your mum
@@nocap3376 who are?
I thought the 42 looked like a swastika💀 there
It was hard to play the team the supporters and the refs.
Dr Rassie thinks far ahead...😂
Rassie Rassie Rassie!
I told you so just doesnt quite say it.
Durban we go again
Build "depth!!!" 🇿🇦
Easier said than done
@@niallormond6972 From a young age! Get schools more intrested in Rugby.Get "scouts" going to schools looking for talent!! In SA. Grey's college,Paarl Gymnasium with a great rugby culture!
@@niallormond6972 yeah ...without the imports Ireland would be a fairly average outfit .
@tomgreene1843 ireland have less imports than most
@@niallormond6972 Agreed,Ireland have the least imports! You have a formidable rugby side as well !! (From a Springbok supporter 😉)
SA looked good, IRE didn't. It was brutal and the missed tackle or two were costly
It's not a "new identity "!!! It's Old School Pringbok rugby applied in modern day 2024.
Here come the SA trolls
Yeah, I've noticed it since world cup, they are obsessed with us,
Bitter twisted minds,
We literally couldn't give a crap
Support our team win lose or draw,
these pundits musta been watching a different game/ why did South Africa squeak a win? Cause Crowley missed vital kickable kicks!!!, Lowe gave up a silly try, the Ref ignored the Snyman late tackle, altitude, Henderson got hammered by Kyolsi, the TMO chalked off a decent Irish try. instead these two are talking about Tony Brown!
As the home side, why are Boks wearing their away kit against Ireland? What nonsense is this?
The problem with the boks was they never had a proper attacking coach so they build a game plan on defense, Now suddenly the have one and the pundits are creaming go back to the barge rugby. I just love listening to all the couch potato critics
Stop picking a leinster team for the irish team .
The Irish are crying they tired. Catch a bloody wake-up In the past all southern hemisphere team had the same problem in the northers November tours. MANAGE YOUR PLAYERS Lenster did AND lost to the Bulls
Ah. .lads . .this is just not nearly good enough.
Que the Saffer trolls in 3...2...1
Not as many as I thought although it's early
@@mickser101 Trolls ???.Are you saying we shouldn't be following any podcasts? 🇿🇦
@@leonardodavinci7425 🤮🤡
We still recovering from the hangover.
Ironic, that in itself is a troll comment
Disgraceful performance by both teams, not worthy of no 1 and 2. England were far superior in their lost victory against NZ
Lay off the Bag, Daz 👍
@@philipmcdonald7370 I don't tell you how to live
Sniffing petrol again?
Kinda agree with this, so many errors, the second half was a mess.
England, flash in the pan team these days.
The Conor Murray try was incredible but the three blind mice missed that…
Do these get paid for this rubbish .
Oh yes they are all millionaires didn’t you know.
I did know . Ireland is full of these liars deceiving all Irish fan's . With bought and paid for weak cowardly opinions@@lizzyhanahoe4197