I've Seen People Not Have Careers Because Of It | John Patitucci | What Is true Musicianship?
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- In this video, John Pattitucci speaks on the importance of work ethics, dependability, and how to properly apply yourself as a musician.
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Be professional: always on time, very well prepared, leave your ego at the door.
Have your stuff down: time, rhythm, sound, musical styles.
Be a nice person: the others enjoying you're around.
That was my experience as a muso too. Being reliable and respectful is always better than being a virtuoso and a jerk.
Spot on. I cant work with egotistical players no matter how accomplished they are I prefer a band of decent people.
You are right, & it's a shame that you have to give this advice to ego-kids who can't HEAR what's going on.
John is a Boss . The writing is on the wall just look who he’s played music with and for . Serious musicians that are also respectful humans . Your musical instrument is only an extension of your life experiences.. You tell your story ….
Maturity, excellence, style, enthusiasm- It's all there in John's playing and personality. One of the best for me.
Wise words, true words!
Wish I had had the same lessons, maturity and headspace to absorb such invaluable information way back when I set out on my musical quest.
Better late than never. Still trying! 😊
Hey good luck man! Keep doing what you love when you can, i think that makes life most best (bad gramnar there but it says what i mean really i think!:)
Thanks for sharing these things, John! I was privileged to get to meet and talk with you a few years ago when you p[layed carnegie Hall with Getty's. I'm now in my 53rd year as a professional bassist. One of the greatest lesson I ever learned was from some pros that i had gone out to see at a nearby venue, after I'd only been playing for about 4 years. One musician in particular shared how important it would be for me to come prepared, be early (not late) and be a team player, someone that would make everyone else sound good. Music will have a way of humbling you if you're thinking you've arrived. Be someone that encourages others. Early on other lessons included the other things you shared here. I'm very grateful to still be playing now at just a year shy of being 70 years old. Many of the artists I've worked with always tell me how happy they are to have me on the gig or show, which in and of itself is a real blessing! I don't consider myself a virtuoso or pinnacle type player, more someone that can create rock solid grooves that everyone else can roll with. Thanks for your great videos, John. Not only are you a great player, but a great person.
As good as humble. This John… 🤩
100% true. Talent alone is never enough.
Well said. Like I tell my students: “Talent is an excuse for the lazy”
Hi John , yes you have matured and done wonderful things in music, I remember when in 1983 you played on our first album " Circles " beautiful .... that turned out to be with future famous musicians ...hope all is well ...........Pm
John has always been an inspiration.
all great attributes of a well-rounded musician who adds to what is going on, instead of making it harder for everyone else (great to hear such an amazing musician talk about the importance of being self-less)..also- don't "play" the music- be "in" it...
Insight is reflexive. John Patitucci is a gift to us all.
Word! Thank you.
John is a great bassist and a great musician. His time, feel and tone are always superb.
superb!
all aspiring musicians need to see and hear this
Priceless advice from one of the most skilled bassists and best people on the planet!!!
A lot is just common sense...& not showing up on time is a deal breaker. I mean, c'mon!
Just heard JP say how important it is to have rhythm. Amen.
@@jazzpunkJohn's statements prove that common sense isn't so common.
75% of your job is showing up, 20% is getting along with people, 15% is how talented you are and 10% is math skills.
Lol!
👍 if we give math 5% the left over 5% could go to jammin 😃
not just showing up... showing up on time!
So...give 120%!!
Great video ! Thanks John
muchas gracias.
Just watched "Zero Gravity" a wonderful documentary on Wayne Shorter. Patitucci was a one the best parts of it.
Brilliant!
Everything that rhymes with John Petrucci or Patitucci is just badass 🤘
A truly sensational Bassist !
great video.. thank you
Great advice from a master
John is not only a great musician but he is a loving, kind, generous human being and you are privileged to call him friend.
Best advice ever!
i agree with everything he says. such an amazing person
True and wise words. A true master!
If you like this video you should go watch the whole interview he did at Steinhardt
He said it all. 👌🙌🏼🙌🏼
This Guy and This Video Are Fantastic.
Sage advice for every profession.
This is a VITAL video. Thank you for sharing and great speech John!
"Don't be the type of musician to think 'I can just lean on them', especially if you play bass or drums..........or if you sing or you play the piano or guitar or saxophone or trumpet"
Great video
magnifico.💘💘💘💘💘💘
I absolutely agree! Everyone needs a good work ethic in all they do - especially as a musician/bass player!!!
💖💖💖💖☕️☕️☕️
Wise words
Wow on that solo
Totally agree!!!!
Yes SIR!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👊🏿🖤🤍
John is awesome. But john also came a long way. For a while, he was almost becoming another Jeff Berlin. Great player, horrible attitude and lost a few gigs as a result of this. Something happened to him when he Joined up with Wayne shorter... he bloomed. His personality became more infectious and very approachable. You can approach him on the street and he will smile at you. But there was a period where you might have got shot approaching him. Now, He is a super loveable guy and I want in my life whatever he has found that makes him who he is today.
really ? So you know him?
Never heard of him being unapproachable...
@@jrosner6123 Well, now you've learned something...
Sage advice
Consummate Professional
Anybody else chuckle when they showed him playing a fender mustang bass?
Yes it looks so wrong! Even 4-string or the ugly semi-hollows he's into now!
i think it's difficult for many artists, of all backgrounds, to transform their passion into a craft. what motivates you in your youth can only take you so far. eventually you have to pick up your art for more than just emotional satisfaction, there has to be a real purpose behind it. i'm getting back into it after a 15 year hiatus because i had to build my work ethic, get my hands into some dirt and learn to hustle
It’s all about the groove. He says it in the second part of the clip. As a drummer I’m not really into extended soloing, I’d just rather play in time, lay it down and ‘drive the bus’ as one of my jazz band directors once told me.
Time and groove! 👍🏾
Interesting and fascinating how these things could be taken for granted. Professional vs. child I guess is the spectrum. never occurred to me that so many gifted people would also struggle with budding maturity issues that threaten their career progress. there's obviously things even more fundamental than drug & booze issues.
True da't😊
Well-produced video. Succinct advice from a consummate professional.
Have heard so many musicians who just don't actually LISTEN to what is going on around them and feel they NEED to play at all moments, not just fit in with what is RIGHT for that moment (like bass players who don't actually lay down atightgroove but solo all the way through etc..i used to study jazz but tried to forget it all and have just gone back to basics now of actually just trying to make songs that put across how i feel, real emotions, not technicalities
Excellent thank you.
right you are johnny
In regards to being in time I’m never late, I’m laid back
John Petrucci in another universe..
1:22 Is that JP playing a Mustang? Cool!
Articulated and brilliant musician
Music is music. Money is money. Different things.
Performance anxiety isn't talked about.
I know amazing musicians, and when they play to themselves they are incredible. But, as soon as there is a small audience watching them, they shake so badly they just can't play.
This is a massive factor.
Some people can overcome those nerves and others never can, and they will never be able to perform in front of an audience.
first of all, it is talked about quite a bit. I don't know what you mean when you say it isn't. Second, in my experience it's not as simple as you suggest, where someone is supposedly an amazing musician alone and then gets in front of anyone and they can't play at all. The ultimate answer to this problem is experience. If you try performing once and fail miserably due to nerves, and give up ever attempting to perform, then yes you are not cut out to be a professional musician. Not because of your anxiety, but because you refused to try it again, and then again, and then again, over and over until you were more comfortable with playing in front of people. Very few people are comfortable performing something vulnerable like music in front of people right away. Every legendary performer that seems "born to be a star" has a long history usually going back to early childhood of performance experience in a thousand different situations.
I'll now share my experience: I have severe social anxiety and always have. I was shy, and had an unfortunate relationship with my parents that was hyper-critical and made me very insecure. I was in abusive relationships as well. As a pretty young kid I learned bass and picked up the basics pretty quick from my brother, and was right away thrown into playing regularly at a church youth group with him (older brother) and his older friends. The stakes were extremely low so it was a great setting to gain performing experience. It didn't even really feel like performing because it was mostly friends, but I remember I was quite nervous early on. Thankfully bass was a good place to start because I could pretend no one could hear/notice me and it was maybe half true lol. The older musicians really liked playing with me cause I practiced a lot at home and they'd throw stuff at me on the fly and I could pick it all up quick. By the time I was in high school I had already gone on a small church tour, played the biggest church events in the city, and performed probably a thousand times. I started playing guitar in high school, and became obsessed and practiced constantly. I decided to go to music school cause I wanted to find some way to be a professional musician. The stakes were much higher, every student is judging you, every prof is judging you and can hear all your weaknesses and mistakes. I was very anxious and struggled to perform well, especially on juries which were all alone in front of a few profs. My guitar prof knew I could play better than I showed, but I just couldn't get out of my head. But over 5 years, I had to perform multiple times a week in musical settings that were constantly changing, every imaginable genre, other students messing up, having to salvage horrible failures together. All great performing experience even though I was still struggling to show my best. There was also very little time to learn the music we'd have to perform because there were just so many classes/ensembles and way too much workload to reasonably prepare. I started playing gigs eventually, and then after graduating I moved back to my home city during covid which was awful. I made some connections in those years and by the end was playing for a couple artists in the city. Met more and more people, more gigs, and now I am very busy with my career and it's amazing. And now the important part. As I've had more and more work with higher stakes, I have had to learn what it takes to play my best no matter what. I struggled the first year after covid with sometimes playing well on gigs, and sometimes just not being able to get out of my head and not doing so great. Not messing up the music bad or anything, just not able to get in "the zone" that brings out the best playing with a band. Remember, I was having this issue at 25 having already performed regularly since I was 12 and gone through a whole performance degree. What I learned eventually is that preparation is everything. If I show up to a gig knowing without a doubt I can crush these songs, my mindset is going to be "just have fun and vibe with the band" rather than "oh fuck I hope I don't screw up that part I know is difficult for me". And the only way to have that confidence without it being fake is to practice that part that's hard so many times that I could do it with a gun to my head, or in front of the whole word and not batt an eye. This is the most important thing I have to say, and really is the answer in my experience. Most people don't realize just how many times you have to play something perfectly until it becomes impossible for you to ever screw it up. Most people get something right and then go nice I've got it. Then they get to the gig and the nerves hit and they crack and mess it up. If they had practiced that part 100 more times even after they already got it right, they not only would have the confidence of knowing they really can play it, but also no matter how nervous they get, their muscle memory would take over. I have been extremely nervous and watched as my fingers totally messed up a part I thought I knew far too many times, but I have also now had the experience of being just as nervous, but watching as my hands perfectly played a difficult part I practiced so many times most people would think I was wasting my time at that point. The reality is, everyone gets nervous. Even world touring musicians. It never fully goes away because when we know the stakes are high our body responds as though it's a survival situation. But just like a combat veteran, they more you're placed in survival situations, the better you get at keeping cool and performing no matter what. Performing is simply hard, and takes a long time to get good at. But you will never perform how you want to if you never prepare 10 times as much as you think you need to. I sometimes have gigs come up where I just don't have the time to prepare as much as I know I'd need to in order to nail everything, and when the gig comes and I inevitably flub a few things, I know longer get down on myself and think I'm not cut out for this life. I simply recognize that I needed 20 more plays of the song and so the inevitable happened. This job is high stakes because you can get fired at any time, and you always need to prove yourself to keep getting called by that person. My "hack" is simply preparation way beyond what most people (or I originally) assume is necessary. It means I spend way too much time working on songs for gigs that pay not very much, but I understand I am in the early stages of my career and that is the reality until I have way more experience and can learn things perfectly much quicker because of all the other similar stuff I've played. Eventually everything overlaps and your chops cover pretty much everything. I know this is the stage where I have to prove myself constantly to get any work, and eventually I'll be playing stuff I already know much more often rather than having to learn 30 new songs a week. Anyways sorry this is long, I hope I've made my point. I still have social anxiety, and I still get nervous every performance. But I've made my dream life work because I've stuck it out and not quit because it was scary, and I feel like my story is a good example because I had an unusual amount of performance opportunities as a child and yet my performance issues still persisted due to how anxious I am and because it took me a while to realize what learning a song well enough to perform it actually means. I've learned you need to play a song probably 50 times perfectly on your own to expect yourself to perform it well, and probably 100 times for you to really know it well and get to the deep stuff like the intricacies of the time feel (I'm not talking about extremely simple songs where that number would be lower).
Thanks for sharing. If you're ever near southern Wisconsin let's play a gig!
@@danielnemez3537 I appreciate the essay, it took a lot of effort to read through, because youtube comments are so narrow.
While I appreciate your experiences, what has happened to you, how you deal with performance anxiety, and what works for you, only applies TO YOU.
It is not as simple as 'stick it out and overcome it' for many people, including myself. I have played guitar for decades, and practiced pieces thousands of times.
I can play them perfectly alone, but as soon as I have an audience, or even a camera pointing at me, I start to shake and my mind becomes blank.
This is also an issue for many much more experienced and talented musicians than I.
One example was Jackson C Frank, and amazing talent in the 1960's, but only recorded one album, and he had to have a sheet around him blanking everything off in the studio, in order to somehow get through it. He couldn't gig because he was so nervous, and died on the streets homeless and penniless.
So thank you for the essay but your experience is only YOUR experience and certainly does not speak for anyone else.
you can show up on time all you want, literally camp at the point of meeting hours in advance, if you are not that good you’ll be good enough to be the roadie, so much for sacrificing to be on time
It helps if you are single living in moms basement too...and desire to be a full time musician and support your self ..let alone a wife and kids
That’s my strength Rhythm and time signatures
As a guitarist and a singer
I did a club date once with this “monster” sax player ( or so he thought) . He overplayed the whole night. He altered the head on “in the mood” completely blowing the melody….to please only himself. Never saw him again. Would never work with him again. He commented in a rehearsal that he could tell if someone sucked just by how they warm up…….as I was warming up. What a dick.
Here's a sure way to tell if you need more work on this. When you're in a gig or a rehearsal, can you determine who is the best musician there? If you keep finding that it's you, you absolutely need to work on these fundamentals so you can get to play in a group where you are NOT the best musician. Because until then you cannot really grow and achieve more.
A stable household can also do wonders, which many did not or do not have.
Of course talent and professionalism counts, but what's more important for that "step-up" with "doors being opened" for better opportunities is the secret society "sign up".
If that's a crack at Chick and Stanley, John doesn't swing it that way. He's pretty forthright about being a Christian.
naah, That's just an excuse for not being successful and then blaming others.
I’ve seen talented musicians who didn’t have a work ethic and one of them is still moaning to this day how he must have been conned .
Lol!
Is this the guy from Dream Cinema
Art is not a contest, it is an expression.True musicianship has zero to do with any fame, accolades, accomplishments, work ethic..etc. These are all ego based self absorbed goals. What it is about is an undying love to play music. Even if you never play anywhere, regardless of skill level, to feel the simple and pure joy that creating those vibrations make. To live for that. But yet the real truth takes it even one step further....music was not created for us to use our talents for gain but rather to praise God. That is its truest essence and the primary reason why any of us was blessed with it.
god but which one?
@@rinahall I do it for my garden gnomes, they love it, and they all join in :)
@@TractorCountdown 🤣🤣
Disagree. What you're preaching is 19th century romanticism. If you want to make a living based on music, have a family and be a musician at the same time, you have to develop a certain work ethic. Like any other professional.
This is a refreshing take. I love to see it, and totally agree, aside from the work ethic part. Work ethic isn’t tied to ego.(for myself) It’s an extension of my love for music, to better understand and implement it. By work ethic I mainly just mean practice and commitment. I don’t do group stuff or gigs, but when I did in high school I worked hard to make sure I wasn’t a weak link, not just for myself but for the love/sake of the piece. I derived my sense of work ethic from martial arts and applied it to music. It can be from ego, but it doesn’t have to be.
well, what's more interesting is "have you seen musicians that have all the stuff together and still not have careers?"
Great advices! And not to rant but...try not to play louder than everyone else. Blend use your volume to enhance the whole overall sound not to stand out. Unless you're soloing! : )
Let's not hesitate here to point the finger at guitarists. Throw rocks at me anyone, I shall stand by my remark.
Wanna get a loud guitarist to turn down?
Stick a chart in front of him.
(Oldie but a goody)
@@fredericlinden LOL no, not pointing any fingers....hahaha
@@jazzpunk The tried and true..! : )
It always disappointed me so bad when you have some of the most talented people around in your band and one or two of them have a bad work ethic and can’t be on time for anything. I played in a local band back in the day before the internet was big. Before you could easily replace someone. Instead you have to try and make it work, and it never does
I could turn my amp up to 10 and put my guitar in front of it, but this comment resonates more.
Bussines is bussines. Someone can stay in his own room, or small pub. Or just making common records.
Excellent video and kudos to John. The late great Miles Davis once said: "It's not what you play, it's what you DON'T play...."
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0:51 haha I hope that’s not John’s new material
Yes it is a multi-varied analysis.
I like how 17 years ago two guys I worked with after getting an amp for the first time in 18 years, said that if I died that they would make sure that my headstone said "Do it again, Do it again, Do it again".
I tried to play again for people when a boss of mine who was a childhood friend of Cliff Burton and his Pallbearer told me after hearing me at a music store, that I needed to play for people. A nice sentiment.
People lined up a open mics to have me play for them and got abusive with the stage director when I was not their bassist. Paid gig in K'ville TN 06, I was getting stage rushed, being old, it was about the sound, not my looks. People recognizing me from a PATV battle of the bands when I was working a convenience store. Dollywood Audition made the DM drool and looking at my resume of everything I had played at any time he said "Where have you been? God I love the tone." But I knew I was doing right when a woman stated to me in Victoria TX that she and he fiancé regularly attended Austin City Limits, and she said I was the best bassist she had ever seen.
I long gave up chasing Jaco, Entwistle, Lee, Nitti, Levin, and JP here when she stated that.
It does not matter how good you are. It does not even matter how hard you work. What matters is that you just so happen to fall into the pallet of the tonal structure sought by the DM, and even sharing "culture". Misfits like me need not apply, but I played everything but Rap and Punk.
Uhhh….
wtf
@@gligorpecev5199 It is OK Guys there are Drinks and T-Shirts to be sold, get back to work.
What are you talking about bro
@@Junglesmells Thank you for your consideration.
John, you need to be the next bassist in dream theater! Bassists that we’re better then you? I highly doubt that you’re just being really nice you’re one of the best.
It’s crazy to me that the work it takes to get really good at an instrument in the first place, doesn’t translate to discipline in other areas of life.
Not really. Children learn their craft in order to become superstars as adults, leaving no time to develop proper social skills and overall responsibility like other kids do. Even if they started later, everything gets funnelled into their work. Never underestimate a human being's ability to lose parts of themselves. We're all flexible like that.
Wrong! Many Jive musicians and non musicians can't showup for work on time!😊
Why ? A great example is Hendrix - he was a great player but chaotic on the business side !
I never knew John Petrucci was a famous bassist too.
I don't see there are "A LOT of bass players much better" than John.
Not anymore, because he had work ethic ;)
I've seen people not have careers because of it.
I've seen people not have careers because of it.
I've seen people not have careers because of it.
Sound and time
Jazz = 2& 4
Funk= 1&3
Who are these bass players who are much better than Pattitucci? I don't know of any. Everything he is saying is true.
On time-you’re ten minutes late
It doesn't really matter anymore. AI will replace us all as musicians in 10 years anyway. The stuff I have been reading about the rapid progress of AI in music shocks me. I'll still play my guitar at home, but I won't be needed to play on albums anymore.
Yes this is going to be a real problem.
It is going to happen simply because 95% of people who buy music, don't care if it's being played by a real person or not. It's like the McDonalds effect, nobody cares about where the food comes from or how it's prepared, or how utterly crap it actually is, it's cheap, it's quick, and it's functional in satisfying their need for a quick fix.
Music is becoming exactly the same.
It's only the 5% of real music lovers who actually care about the difference.
It's a real shame that we'll likely lose the ability to perform music the old way and no one will even care, but what's even worse is that those devices we all carry that track our every move and have the capability to monitor every spoken and typed word, every facial expression as we watch influencers... that will have an intelligent watcher behind it that never sleeps, gets bored, or needs paying. No more polling a thousand people to make it manageable for humans to correlate that info. Knowing exactly what people are into, and what they respond best too is gold dust to advertisers, but if you can sell people coke, you can sell them political ideology. AI is going to be the ultimate influencer that can poll every single person, modify the content, note the response, then rinse and repeat until the perfect propaganda state is achieved on a person by person basis. And that person will think they arrived at their opinion via their own free will. That's a mighty lot of power right there. No wonder billions are being invested.
@@simonsimon325 Yes you are completely correct in your observations.
What seems to happen with ANY new technology, is : it is never used for the purposes of pushing or improving lives, it is purely to make as much money as possible.
Everything is driven by money and profit these days, and AI will serve as a way to make even more money.
It seems very probably. Yes
@@DjNikGnashersyes
I want more wallet!
JP is far too humble.
chick's elektric band....
"Things that ruin a career?"
Me:
"Too many illegitimate children?
Crack?
Syphilis?"
Answer:
Work ethic.
(Me: "I'll let myself out now.")
Be professional...No one will take you seriously if you don't take yourself seriously.
Work ethic... you do know his name is spelled differently on the screen and in the header, don't you?
Good eye. We missed that didn't we?
Those guys should move to Ireland. Having a work ethic and caring about the music is held against you.
But then - don't get TOO professional! 8 P
And don’t show up drunk
John is a bassist that can be defined in one word : atthefootthehimalafoothe...Joe Biden!
Not really sure if this comment is a rag on John Patitucci or Joe Biden. This video was Mr. Patitucci discussing work ethic, of which Patitucci and Biden have in spades. Maybe that’s why they are both successful.
@@zenlandziplineIf Biden is successful, I want to be a loser.
@@Spookdookin that’s fine…you can be whatever you want to be.
I would guess most people watching this video want to be, or have interest in, becoming successful musicians.
There are probably 50,000 political talk channels on TH-cam. Some people have interests other than politics. I would guess that’s why they are here for this video: it’s not about politics.
Why do you feel the need to bring up your political views to the comments section of a video that has absolutely nothing to do with politics? Some people want to get away from that.
I understand your side is losing badly, but I don’t think you’re going to change peoples minds about their political beliefs and choices by coming to a video about playing bass guitar and making a childish comment about our president.
@@Spookdookin: You got your wish.
Not sure that "careerism" is an essential feature of musicianship. Many people may not have achieved "careers" because of the things that Patittuci mentions, but the huge majority of musicians who DO have those things STILL don't achieve "careers." If you "die to the selfish part," you are eliding (leaving out) your unique contribution to the music. If Pastorius had left out "the selfish part," he wouldn't have made the contribution that he made! As Orson Welles said (paraphrasing): I could make movies according to the dictates of Hollywood, but then it WOULDN'T be an 'Orson WELLES' movie.
Not to 'nit-pick,' Patittuci is a great player, but generic wisdom like this is generally useless! There will always be more than enough 'great players' without it!
Translate "career" with "making a living", ideally for decades. If you want to make a living based on your musicianship, then these skills are mandatory.
@@marcblum5348 Well, they wouldn't hurt, but then, by and large, they wouldn't HELP either . . . because the opportunities for "making a living" in music are extremely limited!😢
@@mrtriffid Disagree on "they wouldn't HELP either". If you miss'em: good luck and keep your day job.
But where does the bottom end go when a bassist is wanking out lead guitar licks up high on the neck? Doesn't the term "BASS" imply BASS NOTES? If you wanna play lead solos, just switch to lead guitar and be done with it!
This ain't "classic rock," Sparky.
@@peterg5383 yes, and? What makes you think all I do is classic rock? Nevertheless, the most successful and popular bands that fill up large venues and stadiums are largely classic rock bands. Trust me, some free form jazz wankers playing bass like a lead guitar are NOT selling out a stadium, I guarantee! I have played full time gigs aboard major cruise ships covering many genres of music. I have played reggae with Jamaicans. Gospel music in African churches. And in tribute bands to Led Zep, U2, Disco/70s, and currently playing to sold out theatres with an Elton John tribute. The only people who want to hear bass solos are other bass players! I’m not there to impress other Muso’s, I’m there to entertain the non musicians who want to hear and sing along with their favourite songs.
@@kkelleybass: I don't know how to tell you this, Sparky, but not only is John Patitucci widely respected as one of the greats, but he's also played in front of a lot more people and made a lot more money than you ever will.
I would not play or do sound for chick corea. Not for any money.
I know he’s into Scientology, but I’ve never read any bad things about him. Care to share ?
You're correct; you will never play with Chick Corea.
He passed away in 2021.
Patitucci , italian right , work ethic is there paisano
Listen to the words of a MASTER. It will save you time.