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Why would I raid in fresh classic? Same amount of loot drops but everything is HR and a faster release cadence. I'll be lucky to get 3 items before Naxx. I would rather just PvP where I know in 8 weeks I'm guaranteed R14 gear.
You need to understand that fresh is not much different then era even 2-3 months back and the economy is not that perfect too. The fresh servers are just waiting room for tbc to me D:
I agree that they ain’t dead, players are still trying to level. Bots are pretty rampant but there’s a ton of players on both factions leveling that are not considered a metric for websites like ironforge pro
I think this is just a much more casual crowd. It’s a bunch of us that played 20 years ago, that are slow rolling it. The try hards hit 60 first. But they will eventually be overwhelmed by us casuals trying to raid without all of our prepaid bis, or without “optimal” specs. Because we are doing this as an escape from reality and we aren’t about to let this become a job.
You mean they will boost the casuals who buying gold from the bots. I think 50-70% of the ''casuals'' are the tipical gold/boost buyer audience. Respect for the rest who trying to play normally.
i think we need to offer clarity as to the definition of 'casuals'... casuals are exactly the people that rmt in gaming, those that cheat are casuals and should be branded as so, there is nothing elite about purchasing your power (elonia muskow is a casual, for example)
Normal people aren't 60 yet. Raid numbers don't mean anything. Fresh server is packed! People everywhere. Can only speak for EU PVE. Maybe people will raid less this time around. TBC waiting room for many people, including myself.
Haha right!? Like… are we really shocked that a new server has more people in leveling zones and less raiders? Haha what! I just hit 60 a few days ago and I feel like I have been playing way above e average hours
I've played on a busy server and have leveled from 1 to 60 and seen less than 10 people. There are players EVERYWHERE! You seem to be suffering from "Streamer Flu". Because of the nature of your work you leveled 3 players from 1 to 60 in a couple of weeks. Now, you and all the other streamers - and players with a lot of free time - are sitting at 60 wondering where all the raiders are.
I'm on Dreamscythe PvE and I still can't get some of my quests done on my Warlock's road to level 60 due to every layer being so populated in the areas I'm working on (i.e. Uldaman dungeon prequests, but others too). It took me 2 days to get the 2 quests done involving the Bonesnappers in Badlands, even when switching layers often, as the quests were farmed to the max! Even hyperspawns wouldn't have helped. So whoever says the Fresh servers are dead already are absolutely delusional. I did end up making toons to scan the AH with over on Doomhowl and Nightslayer for my TSM data, and Nightslayer seems even busier than Dreamscythe!
I'm in PVP Nightslayer, I am a college student (21 years old) who has too much free time for the next 3 weeks then college continues for the spring semester. Noticed that the game does indeed feel dead in certain areas. BUT I'm alliance. I notice EVERYWHERE I am seeing Horde which is strange cause the different between servers is by 2% according to Iron Forge. BUT those are calculating people who are raiding. Might be possible that there is a borderline imbalance with Alliance and Horde in Nightslayer and even if there's not, perhaps Horde simply plays more. Trying out SOD as a Horde Tauren, leveling feels dead in terms of people around. Like at most I'm seeing one person. Maybe in Origammar the game looks alive but its mostly afk level 60s there.
@@Linus1871this generally. Alliance are PVE centric in vanilla (Paladin salv is insanely OP). The servers are balanced but the alliance are all dungeon grinding or raiding.
@@Linus1871 From what i seen historically allliance has produced consistently more top rank players than horde despite the racials. Nightslayer even during world pvp battles vs entire guilds they been getting smashed every single time. Proves that racials dont make up for lack of skill
Eu pve server is super crowded. Its actually annoying to quest cause theres so many people. Raiding is no indicator for this shit, the avg player is around lvl 50
Wrong. The pve server is not super crowded. The layering is just saving blizzard money. I found 3 layers of hilsbrad foothills and 2 of them had more than 20 players in the same place. The servers have alot of bots leveling. At level 28 I found a total of 9 players I can say are 100% human. I am just casually leveling until 60 time where I will let the bots play the server alone until TBC comes out.
@@DaniDaDevil i find people for everything and see lots of people wherever i am regardless of level and time of day. No clue what game you're playing. Yes there are a lot of bots, but theres tons of players, thats a fact.
It really would be so easy for a blizz dev to just search for players in these zones at these levels, and just ban them all. It'll take em about 15 minutes or less.
im confused about how everyone is shocked about the density of bots in the game. these bots have been in the game longer than most people have been playing. and nightslayer is not dead at all. lots of people out and about
There have been bots for 20 years now - not since 2019 - if Blizzard hasn’t done anything about bots for 20 years that tells you their stance basically.
I leveled to 40 slowly on a pvp server before switching to leveling slowly on a pve server. I'm lvl 38 now and both servers have been flooded the whole time. On pve, it just makes it hard to tag mobs. On pvp it was rough enough to make me switch off. Can't imagine how bad it'll get when honor drops! These are EU servers btw.
A lot of my friends aren't levelled to 60 yet. We are just doing it different ways I leveled a priest and a mage doing dungeons, and they are mostly questing.
We started with 12 layers, now we're barely at 4. Holiday is over, the servers should be popping. Economy is dead as hell, it's hard to find groups, and all BRD's do HR on HoJ. Something's not right.
Bro its super crowded on fresh its like 8 layers and only dead mobs in quest zones so you basicly have to wait for respawns all the time when questing. So dead is a big lie.
im lvl 39 rn. started like the first week of december lol. i play like 2-3 hours 3/4 days during the week after work if im free. and maybe 10 hours over the weeknd i get in if im free :( id hate to rush it
I'm on Horde side on the realm Dreamscythe but so far haven't seen any botting. I am however, having so many issues making Gold. my highest level character is 37 and I'm barely at 30gold, not sure if I'll have my mount at level 40. I've tried all kinds of different farms, and posted many different items from Small Flame Sacs to Essence of Fire and nothing sells for much, mostly just silver. It won't be till I can farm things like Larval Acid or Essence of Fire that items sell for more then 1 gold.
I was yelling on top of a bot saying "bot" for an hour and no one cared. Been 3 weeks and no ban to the bot Seen 10 others like this and no bans because no one cares to report
I tried some old gold farms too. The mega servers sink prices on AH on pve servers (I’m on the same one-alliance). Too many people on one server following the same gold guides. Best thing to do is to level your toon with skinning and herring. Vendor the skins for hard cash and AH the better herbs. I’ve gotten my mount at 40 on every toon I’ve done that strat with. Also raw gold making is easier at level 38+ when silver, trash drops and herbs are worth more.
@@zeplin8971 Best thing to do is just get level cap and then make gold. Majority of players do not get there mount on their first run to 60. I only got my mount at 49 and I'm halfly experienced
@@SabentHD oh totally I mean most gold comes end game. My first play through in the 2000s I didn’t get a mount until nearly 50. I’m just saying for those who want to get off their feet at level 40, skinning and herding while questing will get you there no problem as long as you aren’t spending a lot of time
Trying to farm in open world some essences, every spot with elemenats like EPL/Felwood/Silithius are occupied by bots on each layer 24/7, prices going up each day for essences, and people are surprised that rest bought gold
This, I attempted to farm the essences for my robe. Fire, no problem. Air, no problem. Even water, couple of hours no problem. But earth, holy crap, we are talking over 500 elementals killed for 6 essences across 3 nights, the whole time battling bots. The area is camped 24/7 by several bots PLUS the people who are there for the quest/mats for their own robes on every layer. But yet prices are also going up, something is whack
Its definitely very active. Servers are not dead at all, many layers all times. I can say though, a lot of us seem to be taking it very casual this time till TBC.
Im playing on turtle too, but im 100% sure that if turtle will rises to high with the u5, blizzard will sue them and close the server. Because they are fcking rats. They dont want to make a quality product and dont even let others to do it if they doing it too good.
It doesnt have because it is not a profitable ip for gold buyers lol. Nobody would buy gold on PS because it is unsafe as it can close any day or their assets to be gone any day, should a malfunction/strike happen as opposed to blizz who are stable as well as more populated. Simply put, its bad business
@@popamihnea6695 what a load of bullshit. they do it out of intergrity, not this fantasy here because its "unsafe" "unprofitable" you think a china man with 50 instances of wow is gonna care the game "may" shut down 99.9% unlikely, even more so how would it never be profitable? if anything selling on a server like TW will increase profits
I levelled to 60 and went back to era. I’ll give TBC ago when it comes but I won’t be touching fresh again until then. All the hard reserving was just too much :(
This is such a horrible arguement to not play the game cuz of "hr". Its not hard to start your own run or find a group of friends/guild with likeminded people.
Definitely not dead, every hour on Thunderstrike PvE Europe at least 3 onyxia runs are done and there is a literal queue for them waiting for Rallying Cry to reset~ I think what happens is sometimes people get put in a layer/shard thats empty and then they turn that in: "oh wows empty, dead" Its super populated, tons of people still play in the low level zones, westfal, redridge, STV still super contested even today!
Like every time any version of classic got released,sure its popular it has pretty strong community and playerbase but its nowhere near retail in terms of numbers.
Botting is a huge problem for blizzard.They are actively banning people for botting. But the program code of the bots are always different. For example: if blizzard ban one bot account, there are already 3 new ones with a slightly different program code. I know that blizzard is trying to do something against it, my ingame mailbox is full of letters from GM because I report every bot I see. It’s sad to see that botting is still a thing and gets even worse, but I see the hard work of blizzard too
I don't think so, because why would they bot? They could just add the gold that the bots farm, it would be a waste of resources for them to run the bots.
I have watched Bliz treat WoW like a cash cow especially lately. At this point the thought that they or someone on the inside is involved monetarily with gold selling ,on the back end, wouldn't surprise me a bit considering how much money is being made and their lack of REAL effort. If you look at how shoddy their automated system is it's better at banning real players giving the illusion that they are in fact trying. Players recently got banned for xp gains while boosting which has been a thing for ever and they know this so why set up a system to accidentally allow for an algorithm that's going to affect players and not even the boosters lmao laughable. I'm sorry but greed and the potential to make millions go together and when it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it isnt anything else.
And yet too many ppl still playing and ignore the fact that this company dosnet worth it anymore. The game is still good, but it need some serious lead/GM service to make it good. In the current state its just a joke. Back in SOD p1 boosters used flyhacks xDDD that is the lvl of freedom wich is a joke xD they dont even fear and using hacks in front of others. TBC-WOTLK arena was full with cheater scripted rouges ETC...
@@ervinfejes9942 i agree and for the record im not playing right now. I stopped right after the vids came out about botters threatening Solheim and others (I personally think Bliz is involved somehow) yes its my opinion….ive been playing this last time since 2019 and decided now is a good time than ever to stop for now. Not sure down the road but im not worried about that what I do know is today Bliz is not the company i want to spend my money and time with.
Blizzard wont ban bots because these bots have multiple accounts meaning more money for Blizz. Its that simple really and probably why people play on private servers even though that is a whole different discussion altogether.
This will never end. Only way of fixing this is to intruduse personal ID verificasion under the Account registration prosess. This is already done in EU, so its only fix it an install itj on servers. The way the verify prosess is done is that No personal info is stored on the server. It only verifying under account registration. This is the only way of removeing Internett Trolls and ceaters and bots and more from the game.
Many friends I play with levelled to 60 and have parked our characters till TBC launches. We have no interest in raiding 1.0 raids and have gone back to SoD now.
takes no time to get a group for any dungeon at any level multiple groups going in lfg que. and always 10 layers its why it doesn't look like 200 people in a zone.
I can easily find groups for dungeons, I can see people everywhere I go. Servers are not dead. Wow is a funny game because if there are to few people the game is dead but if there’re to many the game is unplayable. They should fix that.
In the evenings (european time zone) the frostmage bits crawl out of their holes in MASSES! I report 20-30 in 1 session every night, trying to level in peace. 🤮
I just skipped so might have missed it... But in one of your last video you already made clear how the vast majority of the playerbase is still leveling and now you take raid numbers as an indicator for activeness? Seems a little inconsistent
If you actually watch the video and listen to my words, you'll notice why this is me being VERY consistent, not inconsistent. I feel like a lot of people commenting like this missed out on half the video somehow. The subject I'm taking up here, is I see a lot of OTHER PEOPLE comparing Fresh Classic Raiding Numbers to SoD Numbers. When doing the comparison myself here, I bring up that this is what OTHER PEOPLE do to see if its "popular". I also bring up why this is a bad metric for fresh, verbally stating that the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet and the servers are very new. I also bring up very early in the video that I see people everywhere I go. The "Dead Servers" part of the title is what I see alot of OTHER PEOPLE say, this video is me trying to help them understand how to judge popularity using other metrics than just raiding numbers.
I for sure feel like people are taking it way more slow this time around …. But at the same time I get confused when we have 5 layers on nightslayer but I can’t find groups for elite quest or dungeons at times… and it feels like I’m just playing with a bunch of bots …. Idk nothing will change unless blizzard losses money and that’s not gonna happen….
The reason for the bots: 1) Players buy gold 2) Players complain when Blizzard offers WoW Tokens in classic, but they still want to buy gold. 3) Blizzard won't ban all players who buy gold, because they represent a very large portion of their paying customer base. Conclusion: Bots are allowed and seen as a necessary part of the business model. They are trimmed like shrubs rather than killed like weeds.
First 2 points are correct, but the 3rd isnt: just think about it every bot equal to a player since they paying sub. And we talking about hundreds and thousands of bots...
idk about dead servers, its crowded and I often cant farm where I want to. (EU pvp) when people try to layer swap constantly to find dead layers so they can farm, they can't then complain the layers/servers are dead. which is what I think people are doing. however, I do agree the botting issue is out of control. I've seen far too many bots.
Botting isn't going away. It might get bad, but it is only as relevant as the customer base that is willing to pay for what they do. Botters win if the people pay. Botters lose when the people don't engage, and their activities realize no actual RMT.
Why are you trying to discourage people? Servers are FAR from dead. Tons of people questing all over the place, world PvP is at full force, everyone is running dungeons. It’s just that most people didn’t go hard leveling this time around and are actually enjoying the game. Unsubscribed.
If you actually watch the video and listen to my words, you'll notice why this is me being VERY consistent, not inconsistent. I feel like a lot of people commenting like this missed out on half the video somehow. The subject I'm taking up here, is I see a lot of OTHER PEOPLE comparing Fresh Classic Raiding Numbers to SoD Numbers. When doing the comparison myself here, I bring up that this is what OTHER PEOPLE do to see if its "popular". I also bring up why this is a bad metric for fresh, verbally stating that the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet and the servers are very new. I also bring up very early in the video that I see people everywhere I go. The "Dead Servers" part of the title is what I see alot of OTHER PEOPLE say, this video is me trying to help them understand how to judge popularity using other metrics than just raiding numbers. You failed to even watch the video yet you unsubscribe when you clearly didnt even understand what you just saw? What part of this was me trying to discourage people? I highlighted that while a lot of people are calling the servers dead, I see people everywhere I go. And while people say SoD has twice as many players because they have more logged raiders, I highlighted why raid numbers is a bad metric to gauge popularity on a fresh classic wow servers where the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet. Thank fuck you unsubscribed. Below room temp iq.
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have you ever been in brd ? or ubrd alot players are there searching for groups on the anniversity realms and i'm on the pve EU realm classic is far from dead maybe it seems unpopular on the lower level's but i see alot of 50-60 players
I rarely see anyone, the first week or so was busy but... perhaps wow has finally worn thin on people... or everyone died once and said screw this. I suppose I'll just have to move on to Pantheon:Rise of the Fallen. That game seems to actually be very social, and the world is new and unexplored.
Level 35 here. Enjoying the journey, no try harding. Your title is misleading and false. Every single zone is packed with people levelling. People I saw are doing it slow, without rush.
After seeing the money make selling gold, and that Blizz doesn't care, I 100% want to do it. If they don't care, why am I working a job I hate making a small amount of money, when I can supplement it with Wow gold? Sign me up. And if making 20 more botting accounts means Blizz finally kills all bots, I'd also be okay with this.
To be fair, I reactivated my wow account for classic and I have no plan to raid this time around. Open world, pvp, professions and alts are my plan. Not trying to stick to raid schedule again.
I’ll probably leave because private servers and modding just seems more appealing to me. I don’t like to force myself to have couch lock and be playing wow 24/7 if there is a way with addons n I could get a multiple monitor going maybe it could be a possibility but yah I think I’ll just make a private server and can enjoy the content I want at anytime and just make fun maps to duel my friend. I just think with the way players understand Min maxxing and how to push for perfect dps it will take away a lot of the challenge of the game and it kinda just becomes a will and testimony to how much ur willing to do fetch quests n repetitive runs of something that could even be scaled higher for more challenge or reduced raid size too to make u and ur team have more fun is kinda the best way to experience it if u ask me. I’m just so busy I love wows art and the leveling experience n even the PvP but yah sadly I don’t know if I have time to level up more then 1 character on a wow server n if I’ll really be dedicated to doing all the chore grinding in burning crusade to experience phase 5-6. It’s just how fast the content will come it used to be all these things would be patient and the padding was drawn out season to season it wasn’t just slowly cycled in like they are now to where players rush to end game day 1 that part of it is kinda gonna ruin it cuz I have more important things to do then skin boars all day with 2-3 different alts
Classic sera is eternal 💪🏼 what you all think about ? Not everyone is a full time streamer rolling every fresh or SoD or SoM and you have the other half that just play the latest content and then quit to go back retail. All this is what streamers ask for to keep them busy to make content is just split the community into 20 differente games mode… lets say it blizzard only want money so they about to release every expention that exists and ppl gonna play what they want at this point… all this is the result of hard work from the nostalrius that bring the first ever other version beside retail and then it goes wild and out of control.
+1, why should i play on blizzard servers, why sould i pay for the worst quality xD? Its so sad 10-15 years ago the OG wow was the so called ''ORIGINAL'' wich was the best. Now in 2025 some private servers are better... If you ask me turtle wows classic+ is superior compered to SOD.
They don't even care about people can't play when they cancelled game cards and giftcards,guess they were hit by the max greed card in poker when shareholders had a meeting
Bots wouldn’t exist if people weren’t buying their gold. The reality is people are buying so the bots keep botting. It makes no business sense for blizzard to pay for extra gm’s to prevent hundreds of botting subscriptions to keep real players from buying the in-game gold they want. Until the player base stops buying it this is the game now. If you want a better, no bot experience, the only option is t-wow or another such site. It’s sad but that is the consequence of everyone buying gold and not wanting to play the game as intended.
I think its not that simple. Yes there are an audiance who would buy gold anyways, but there are many ppl who would not. But they have to cuz bots making gold farm and the whole ingame ecnonomy a joke. Hundreds of bots farming 0/24 on every realms, and this creates inflation.
I think it's because the bots are paying for subscriptions. It's a matter of weighing costs, so they won't confront the issue until enough people consider quitting. They are truly only motivated by money. It's like someone made a bot to run Blizzard that only prioritizes financial gain. Wait a minute... my ghad... Blizzard IS a bot! I solved it, boys.
@@SolheimGaming i agree, theyre passionate, active ban rmt and bots and have added so much zest to the game. Imo the spiritual successor to classic wow
Blizzard wants us to want their token. Why would they do anything. They are just trying to get the player base to submit due to their inaction. Either way, Blizzard financially win but at the complete detriment to their game. It’s sad.
"what if they never do anything about botting...?" erm... so you mean exactly like what they've done during the entire duration of World of Warcraft existing....?
Of course blizzard is gonna be happy that bots are infesting the game they all have to pay the same sub fee as a normal player so what difference does it make to the company and share holders? Botting has been happening at large scale since 2004 and its clearly had minimal effect on the popularity of the game all the while making blizzard hundreds of millions dollars. Imagine going to your boss and saying you have a plan to reduce profits by 50% to make some randos on the internet happy, you would be fired on the spot. I would make the same decision and allow bots if it was me leading the company and so would everyone else who is not lying to themself.
Leveling mining on Spineshatter EU is next to impossible. I've been stuck on mithril for days now 🤣 botters controlling the market and if nothing is done, swiping will be forced. Just like 2019. Its sad to see.
Isn't only Ony's Lair and MC the only raids on the anniversary servers at the moment? Compared to how many available raids are in SoD? 4 right now, maybe? Don't look at the raiding numbers. That's bull crap information, and you're smart enough to understand that.
botting is money in blizzards pocket...whats the difference between 10000 different people subbing or 10000 bot account subbing? its all the same money.
There is about a 0% chance it hits the players back in 2019.Covid was a thing when it started to peak classic players. And like you said it took a while for it to peak too. The botting is so dumb man... Want to play but ik there is no point haha.
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Why would I raid in fresh classic? Same amount of loot drops but everything is HR and a faster release cadence. I'll be lucky to get 3 items before Naxx. I would rather just PvP where I know in 8 weeks I'm guaranteed R14 gear.
"Take your time, enjoy the game"
Next month
"Games dead, no ones raiding!!"
Comeon.
Even the first time around it took my at least 2 months to level to 60
These players play 12 - 14 hours a day and expect servers to be up and popping at 4AM like people ain’t got jobs and commitments
The servers aren't dead and you know it. Not many players are raiding right now but try to quest anywhere. Zones are crowded with people leveling.
Very true
You need to understand that fresh is not much different then era even 2-3 months back and the economy is not that perfect too. The fresh servers are just waiting room for tbc to me D:
I agree that they ain’t dead, players are still trying to level. Bots are pretty rampant but there’s a ton of players on both factions leveling that are not considered a metric for websites like ironforge pro
Something someone who would defend botting would say 🤔
Yes
I think this is just a much more casual crowd. It’s a bunch of us that played 20 years ago, that are slow rolling it. The try hards hit 60 first. But they will eventually be overwhelmed by us casuals trying to raid without all of our prepaid bis, or without “optimal” specs. Because we are doing this as an escape from reality and we aren’t about to let this become a job.
You mean they will boost the casuals who buying gold from the bots. I think 50-70% of the ''casuals'' are the tipical gold/boost buyer audience. Respect for the rest who trying to play normally.
i think we need to offer clarity as to the definition of 'casuals'... casuals are exactly the people that rmt in gaming, those that cheat are casuals and should be branded as so, there is nothing elite about purchasing your power (elonia muskow is a casual, for example)
No theyre not lol. The tryhards had their guilds and raid teams week 1, no casual is getting on them.
I just don't raid at all people do too much I've always stuck with pvp
Yuuup. Ex vanilla player. Chillin on a 43 fury warrior atm. Its glorious
Normal people aren't 60 yet. Raid numbers don't mean anything. Fresh server is packed! People everywhere. Can only speak for EU PVE. Maybe people will raid less this time around. TBC waiting room for many people, including myself.
Thats a bit far fetched. I have a 60 and im normal lol
@@popamihnea6695 Average then,
Haha right!? Like… are we really shocked that a new server has more people in leveling zones and less raiders? Haha what! I just hit 60 a few days ago and I feel like I have been playing way above e average hours
For the Horde!
We are not all 60 yet. I play what feels like most of my free time and I'm only 42.
I agree! I’m only 37 but I still see a lot of players running around.
I've played on a busy server and have leveled from 1 to 60 and seen less than 10 people.
There are players EVERYWHERE!
You seem to be suffering from "Streamer Flu". Because of the nature of your work you leveled 3 players from 1 to 60 in a couple of weeks. Now, you and all the other streamers - and players with a lot of free time - are sitting at 60 wondering where all the raiders are.
I'm on Dreamscythe PvE and I still can't get some of my quests done on my Warlock's road to level 60 due to every layer being so populated in the areas I'm working on (i.e. Uldaman dungeon prequests, but others too). It took me 2 days to get the 2 quests done involving the Bonesnappers in Badlands, even when switching layers often, as the quests were farmed to the max! Even hyperspawns wouldn't have helped. So whoever says the Fresh servers are dead already are absolutely delusional.
I did end up making toons to scan the AH with over on Doomhowl and Nightslayer for my TSM data, and Nightslayer seems even busier than Dreamscythe!
Meanwhile on every layer, in every farm spot, at least 6 people are farming.
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those are bots most likely
@@slavkokrizman7127 not bots.
I dont even do quests bcs i cannot find any mobs.,more walking than killing. Just doing dungeons, its easier
@slavkokrizman7127 it's 3 to 4 bots PLUS players. That's what makes it impossible
Holy crap, I still have lots of issues with questing!! 4 or 5 layers and tons of people fighting over the same quest mobs!
Dreamscythe every zone is still packed every layer
I'm in PVP Nightslayer, I am a college student (21 years old) who has too much free time for the next 3 weeks then college continues for the spring semester. Noticed that the game does indeed feel dead in certain areas. BUT I'm alliance. I notice EVERYWHERE I am seeing Horde which is strange cause the different between servers is by 2% according to Iron Forge. BUT those are calculating people who are raiding. Might be possible that there is a borderline imbalance with Alliance and Horde in Nightslayer and even if there's not, perhaps Horde simply plays more.
Trying out SOD as a Horde Tauren, leveling feels dead in terms of people around. Like at most I'm seeing one person. Maybe in Origammar the game looks alive but its mostly afk level 60s there.
Horde always has more people on pvp servers. They just have better racials and better players when it comes to pvp.
@@Linus1871this generally. Alliance are PVE centric in vanilla (Paladin salv is insanely OP). The servers are balanced but the alliance are all dungeon grinding or raiding.
@@tainicon4639 yea I was always strict aliance Andy and now I went horde just for world PvP for few months before it dies out.
@@Linus1871 From what i seen historically allliance has produced consistently more top rank players than horde despite the racials. Nightslayer even during world pvp battles vs entire guilds they been getting smashed every single time. Proves that racials dont make up for lack of skill
There’s no way it’s faction balanced, even outside virtually every dungeon there are a ton of horde that usually camp
Eu pve server is super crowded. Its actually annoying to quest cause theres so many people.
Raiding is no indicator for this shit, the avg player is around lvl 50
Agreed
Wrong. The pve server is not super crowded. The layering is just saving blizzard money. I found 3 layers of hilsbrad foothills and 2 of them had more than 20 players in the same place. The servers have alot of bots leveling. At level 28 I found a total of 9 players I can say are 100% human. I am just casually leveling until 60 time where I will let the bots play the server alone until TBC comes out.
@@DaniDaDevil i find people for everything and see lots of people wherever i am regardless of level and time of day. No clue what game you're playing. Yes there are a lot of bots, but theres tons of players, thats a fact.
Thunderstrike is very populated players eveywhere
It really would be so easy for a blizz dev to just search for players in these zones at these levels, and just ban them all. It'll take em about 15 minutes or less.
im confused about how everyone is shocked about the density of bots in the game. these bots have been in the game longer than most people have been playing. and nightslayer is not dead at all. lots of people out and about
There have been bots for 20 years now - not since 2019 - if Blizzard hasn’t done anything about bots for 20 years that tells you their stance basically.
I leveled to 40 slowly on a pvp server before switching to leveling slowly on a pve server. I'm lvl 38 now and both servers have been flooded the whole time. On pve, it just makes it hard to tag mobs. On pvp it was rough enough to make me switch off. Can't imagine how bad it'll get when honor drops! These are EU servers btw.
A lot of my friends aren't levelled to 60 yet. We are just doing it different ways
I leveled a priest and a mage doing dungeons, and they are mostly questing.
We started with 12 layers, now we're barely at 4. Holiday is over, the servers should be popping. Economy is dead as hell, it's hard to find groups, and all BRD's do HR on HoJ. Something's not right.
I feel like most people are not 60. SOD has had a year of leveling, anniversary is like a month old.
Bro its super crowded on fresh its like 8 layers and only dead mobs in quest zones so you basicly have to wait for respawns all the time when questing. So dead is a big lie.
I'm only level 40 on Hardcore. Ya'll crazy having multiple 60s....
im lvl 39 rn. started like the first week of december lol. i play like 2-3 hours 3/4 days during the week after work if im free. and maybe 10 hours over the weeknd i get in if im free :( id hate to rush it
It’s not dead
I'm on Horde side on the realm Dreamscythe but so far haven't seen any botting. I am however, having so many issues making Gold. my highest level character is 37 and I'm barely at 30gold, not sure if I'll have my mount at level 40. I've tried all kinds of different farms, and posted many different items from Small Flame Sacs to Essence of Fire and nothing sells for much, mostly just silver. It won't be till I can farm things like Larval Acid or Essence of Fire that items sell for more then 1 gold.
I was yelling on top of a bot saying "bot" for an hour and no one cared.
Been 3 weeks and no ban to the bot
Seen 10 others like this and no bans because no one cares to report
I tried some old gold farms too. The mega servers sink prices on AH on pve servers (I’m on the same one-alliance). Too many people on one server following the same gold guides. Best thing to do is to level your toon with skinning and herring. Vendor the skins for hard cash and AH the better herbs. I’ve gotten my mount at 40 on every toon I’ve done that strat with.
Also raw gold making is easier at level 38+ when silver, trash drops and herbs are worth more.
@@zeplin8971 Best thing to do is just get level cap and then make gold.
Majority of players do not get there mount on their first run to 60.
I only got my mount at 49 and I'm halfly experienced
@@SabentHD oh totally I mean most gold comes end game. My first play through in the 2000s I didn’t get a mount until nearly 50. I’m just saying for those who want to get off their feet at level 40, skinning and herding while questing will get you there no problem as long as you aren’t spending a lot of time
Dead is inaccurate, i think this is popular but alot of bots i see them all the time
Trying to farm in open world some essences, every spot with elemenats like EPL/Felwood/Silithius are occupied by bots on each layer 24/7, prices going up each day for essences, and people are surprised that rest bought gold
This, I attempted to farm the essences for my robe.
Fire, no problem. Air, no problem.
Even water, couple of hours no problem.
But earth, holy crap, we are talking over 500 elementals killed for 6 essences across 3 nights, the whole time battling bots. The area is camped 24/7 by several bots PLUS the people who are there for the quest/mats for their own robes on every layer.
But yet prices are also going up, something is whack
Its definitely very active. Servers are not dead at all, many layers all times. I can say though, a lot of us seem to be taking it very casual this time till TBC.
the way turtle wow ban any gold selling buyer and seller gives it another reason why it the superior game
Im playing on turtle too, but im 100% sure that if turtle will rises to high with the u5, blizzard will sue them and close the server. Because they are fcking rats. They dont want to make a quality product and dont even let others to do it if they doing it too good.
It doesnt have because it is not a profitable ip for gold buyers lol. Nobody would buy gold on PS because it is unsafe as it can close any day or their assets to be gone any day, should a malfunction/strike happen as opposed to blizz who are stable as well as more populated.
Simply put, its bad business
@@popamihnea6695 There are gold sellers on WARMANE btw.
@@popamihnea6695 what a load of bullshit. they do it out of intergrity, not this fantasy here because its "unsafe" "unprofitable" you think a china man with 50 instances of wow is gonna care the game "may" shut down 99.9% unlikely, even more so how would it never be profitable? if anything selling on a server like TW will increase profits
I levelled to 60 and went back to era. I’ll give TBC ago when it comes but I won’t be touching fresh again until then. All the hard reserving was just too much :(
Dear lord, the HR's are killing the experience for me.
Sorry [Your Opinion] is HR 😂
This is such a horrible arguement to not play the game cuz of "hr". Its not hard to start your own run or find a group of friends/guild with likeminded people.
Definitely not dead, every hour on Thunderstrike PvE Europe at least 3 onyxia runs are done and there is a literal queue for them waiting for Rallying Cry to reset~
I think what happens is sometimes people get put in a layer/shard thats empty and then they turn that in: "oh wows empty, dead"
Its super populated, tons of people still play in the low level zones, westfal, redridge, STV still super contested even today!
I think a lot of us are on the HC server just waiting for TBC, at which point we will all move over to the normal servers.
Like every time any version of classic got released,sure its popular it has pretty strong community and playerbase but its nowhere near retail in terms of numbers.
Botting is a huge problem for blizzard.They are actively banning people for botting. But the program code of the bots are always different. For example: if blizzard ban one bot account, there are already 3 new ones with a slightly different program code. I know that blizzard is trying to do something against it, my ingame mailbox is full of letters from GM because I report every bot I see. It’s sad to see that botting is still a thing and gets even worse, but I see the hard work of blizzard too
what else happened around Mar 16 2020?
Rumor has it the bots are actually Blizzard and that's how they make money off the game now so they definitely not going away.
I don't think so, because why would they bot? They could just add the gold that the bots farm, it would be a waste of resources for them to run the bots.
I have watched Bliz treat WoW like a cash cow especially lately. At this point the thought that they or someone on the inside is involved monetarily with gold selling ,on the back end, wouldn't surprise me a bit considering how much money is being made and their lack of REAL effort. If you look at how shoddy their automated system is it's better at banning real players giving the illusion that they are in fact trying. Players recently got banned for xp gains while boosting which has been a thing for ever and they know this so why set up a system to accidentally allow for an algorithm that's going to affect players and not even the boosters lmao laughable. I'm sorry but greed and the potential to make millions go together and when it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it isnt anything else.
And yet too many ppl still playing and ignore the fact that this company dosnet worth it anymore. The game is still good, but it need some serious lead/GM service to make it good. In the current state its just a joke. Back in SOD p1 boosters used flyhacks xDDD that is the lvl of freedom wich is a joke xD they dont even fear and using hacks in front of others. TBC-WOTLK arena was full with cheater scripted rouges ETC...
@@ervinfejes9942 i agree and for the record im not playing right now. I stopped right after the vids came out about botters threatening Solheim and others (I personally think Bliz is involved somehow) yes its my opinion….ive been playing this last time since 2019 and decided now is a good time than ever to stop for now. Not sure down the road but im not worried about that what I do know is today Bliz is not the company i want to spend my money and time with.
Blizzard wont ban bots because these bots have multiple accounts meaning more money for Blizz. Its that simple really and probably why people play on private servers even though that is a whole different discussion altogether.
Tons of bots. Dreamweaver dreamreaver whatever that I'm on is really busy. There's raiders... there's people everywhere. But the bots are also rampant
Bro. My server is busy. So many players in SW every time I log in.
its popping n alive on my pvp classic fresh server. so fun :)
people forget census is taking after people with logs so take that with what you will
I don’t know who these people are saying that the servers are dead… SW is packed and I’m constantly grouping with people while leveling…
This will never end. Only way of fixing this is to intruduse personal ID verificasion under the Account registration prosess. This is already done in EU, so its only fix it an install itj on servers. The way the verify prosess is done is that No personal info is stored on the server. It only verifying under account registration. This is the only way of removeing Internett Trolls and ceaters and bots and more from the game.
pls talk about waylaid supplies on SoD
you can't farm them
feels like a stealth nerf
Many friends I play with levelled to 60 and have parked our characters till TBC launches. We have no interest in raiding 1.0 raids and have gone back to SoD now.
There are still lots of people tryna get to 60 its only fair we see more people in game yet less in raids
playing retail since 2006…doom of game started when blizz added all this shitfest like era classic,sod,hardcore etc splitting playerbase in process
takes no time to get a group for any dungeon at any level multiple groups going in lfg que. and always 10 layers its why it doesn't look like 200 people in a zone.
I can easily find groups for dungeons, I can see people everywhere I go. Servers are not dead. Wow is a funny game because if there are to few people the game is dead but if there’re to many the game is unplayable. They should fix that.
In the evenings (european time zone) the frostmage bits crawl out of their holes in MASSES! I report 20-30 in 1 session every night, trying to level in peace. 🤮
I just skipped so might have missed it... But in one of your last video you already made clear how the vast majority of the playerbase is still leveling and now you take raid numbers as an indicator for activeness? Seems a little inconsistent
If you actually watch the video and listen to my words, you'll notice why this is me being VERY consistent, not inconsistent.
I feel like a lot of people commenting like this missed out on half the video somehow.
The subject I'm taking up here, is I see a lot of OTHER PEOPLE comparing Fresh Classic Raiding Numbers to SoD Numbers.
When doing the comparison myself here, I bring up that this is what OTHER PEOPLE do to see if its "popular". I also bring up why this is a bad metric for fresh, verbally stating that the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet and the servers are very new.
I also bring up very early in the video that I see people everywhere I go. The "Dead Servers" part of the title is what I see alot of OTHER PEOPLE say, this video is me trying to help them understand how to judge popularity using other metrics than just raiding numbers.
I for sure feel like people are taking it way more slow this time around …. But at the same time I get confused when we have 5 layers on nightslayer but I can’t find groups for elite quest or dungeons at times… and it feels like I’m just playing with a bunch of bots …. Idk nothing will change unless blizzard losses money and that’s not gonna happen….
Am i missing your streams ? Havent seen em last week
im having the time of my life in classic right now lol this is the best game ever made imo.
I am enjoying classic but to be honest the goblin patch on retail looks fun so might be pulled away for a bit :/
The reason for the bots: 1) Players buy gold 2) Players complain when Blizzard offers WoW Tokens in classic, but they still want to buy gold. 3) Blizzard won't ban all players who buy gold, because they represent a very large portion of their paying customer base. Conclusion: Bots are allowed and seen as a necessary part of the business model. They are trimmed like shrubs rather than killed like weeds.
First 2 points are correct, but the 3rd isnt: just think about it every bot equal to a player since they paying sub. And we talking about hundreds and thousands of bots...
People who rushed to max level moaning servers are dead
idk about dead servers, its crowded and I often cant farm where I want to. (EU pvp)
when people try to layer swap constantly to find dead layers so they can farm, they can't then complain the layers/servers are dead. which is what I think people are doing.
however, I do agree the botting issue is out of control. I've seen far too many bots.
Botting isn't going away. It might get bad, but it is only as relevant as the customer base that is willing to pay for what they do. Botters win if the people pay. Botters lose when the people don't engage, and their activities realize no actual RMT.
Play on PvP servers. It solves a lot of the (open world) bot issues.
ppl forget we were on holidays
They also gave out a 2 week ban on alot of raiders for buying gold
They banned me for spellcleave and they are not banning bots
Why are you trying to discourage people? Servers are FAR from dead. Tons of people questing all over the place, world PvP is at full force, everyone is running dungeons. It’s just that most people didn’t go hard leveling this time around and are actually enjoying the game. Unsubscribed.
@@DBoY1641 Every year you'll see video from him or half a year dependant
If you actually watch the video and listen to my words, you'll notice why this is me being VERY consistent, not inconsistent.
I feel like a lot of people commenting like this missed out on half the video somehow.
The subject I'm taking up here, is I see a lot of OTHER PEOPLE comparing Fresh Classic Raiding Numbers to SoD Numbers.
When doing the comparison myself here, I bring up that this is what OTHER PEOPLE do to see if its "popular". I also bring up why this is a bad metric for fresh, verbally stating that the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet and the servers are very new.
I also bring up very early in the video that I see people everywhere I go. The "Dead Servers" part of the title is what I see alot of OTHER PEOPLE say, this video is me trying to help them understand how to judge popularity using other metrics than just raiding numbers.
You failed to even watch the video yet you unsubscribe when you clearly didnt even understand what you just saw?
What part of this was me trying to discourage people? I highlighted that while a lot of people are calling the servers dead, I see people everywhere I go. And while people say SoD has twice as many players because they have more logged raiders, I highlighted why raid numbers is a bad metric to gauge popularity on a fresh classic wow servers where the majority of people aren't even level 60 yet.
Thank fuck you unsubscribed. Below room temp iq.
@@SolheimGamingDu bliver virkelig nødt til at styre dit temperament lidt mere og ikke lade dig provokere så let ! Det er 3 gang du overreagere nu på bara nogle få uger
have you ever been in brd ? or ubrd alot players are there searching for groups on the anniversity realms and i'm on the pve EU realm classic is far from dead maybe it seems unpopular on the lower level's but i see alot of 50-60 players
I am sorry bud but I think you are 2 high on copium to be reasoned with.
@@DaniDaDevil This content creator always makes these videos on *every single classic*
It's copum thinking the games dead lmao
botting is out of control on 20th ann servers. i went back to sod.
SoD hype?!
sod fresh when
same
You think sod is different xDDD?
I rarely see anyone, the first week or so was busy but... perhaps wow has finally worn thin on people... or everyone died once and said screw this.
I suppose I'll just have to move on to Pantheon:Rise of the Fallen. That game seems to actually be very social, and the world is new and unexplored.
Level 35 here. Enjoying the journey, no try harding. Your title is misleading and false. Every single zone is packed with people levelling. People I saw are doing it slow, without rush.
After seeing the money make selling gold, and that Blizz doesn't care, I 100% want to do it. If they don't care, why am I working a job I hate making a small amount of money, when I can supplement it with Wow gold? Sign me up. And if making 20 more botting accounts means Blizz finally kills all bots, I'd also be okay with this.
To be fair, I reactivated my wow account for classic and I have no plan to raid this time around. Open world, pvp, professions and alts are my plan. Not trying to stick to raid schedule again.
Sweating because I never bothered to name my boar and pet renaming doesn't become a thing till WOTLK.
I’ll probably leave because private servers and modding just seems more appealing to me. I don’t like to force myself to have couch lock and be playing wow 24/7 if there is a way with addons n I could get a multiple monitor going maybe it could be a possibility but yah I think I’ll just make a private server and can enjoy the content I want at anytime and just make fun maps to duel my friend. I just think with the way players understand Min maxxing and how to push for perfect dps it will take away a lot of the challenge of the game and it kinda just becomes a will and testimony to how much ur willing to do fetch quests n repetitive runs of something that could even be scaled higher for more challenge or reduced raid size too to make u and ur team have more fun is kinda the best way to experience it if u ask me. I’m just so busy I love wows art and the leveling experience n even the PvP but yah sadly I don’t know if I have time to level up more then 1 character on a wow server n if I’ll really be dedicated to doing all the chore grinding in burning crusade to experience phase 5-6. It’s just how fast the content will come it used to be all these things would be patient and the padding was drawn out season to season it wasn’t just slowly cycled in like they are now to where players rush to end game day 1 that part of it is kinda gonna ruin it cuz I have more important things to do then skin boars all day with 2-3 different alts
What dead servers?
Dead layers?
The streamer who cried BOT
Classic sera is eternal 💪🏼 what you all think about ? Not everyone is a full time streamer rolling every fresh or SoD or SoM and you have the other half that just play the latest content and then quit to go back retail. All this is what streamers ask for to keep them busy to make content is just split the community into 20 differente games mode… lets say it blizzard only want money so they about to release every expention that exists and ppl gonna play what they want at this point… all this is the result of hard work from the nostalrius that bring the first ever other version beside retail and then it goes wild and out of control.
The fact Blizzard doesn't care about the integrity of their game makes me not care and thus I've moved on to Turtle WoW. Much Much better.
+1, why should i play on blizzard servers, why sould i pay for the worst quality xD? Its so sad 10-15 years ago the OG wow was the so called ''ORIGINAL'' wich was the best. Now in 2025 some private servers are better... If you ask me turtle wows classic+ is superior compered to SOD.
Same unsubscribed and on turtle wow enjoying it way more
Blizzard doesn't care about botting.
They don't even care about people can't play when they cancelled game cards and giftcards,guess they were hit by the max greed card in poker when shareholders had a meeting
Bots wouldn’t exist if people weren’t buying their gold.
The reality is people are buying so the bots keep botting.
It makes no business sense for blizzard to pay for extra gm’s to prevent hundreds of botting subscriptions to keep real players from buying the in-game gold they want.
Until the player base stops buying it this is the game now.
If you want a better, no bot experience, the only option is t-wow or another such site.
It’s sad but that is the consequence of everyone buying gold and not wanting to play the game as intended.
I think its not that simple. Yes there are an audiance who would buy gold anyways, but there are many ppl who would not. But they have to cuz bots making gold farm and the whole ingame ecnonomy a joke. Hundreds of bots farming 0/24 on every realms, and this creates inflation.
There are tons of lower level players on Alliance side.
I think it's because the bots are paying for subscriptions. It's a matter of weighing costs, so they won't confront the issue until enough people consider quitting. They are truly only motivated by money. It's like someone made a bot to run Blizzard that only prioritizes financial gain.
Wait a minute... my ghad... Blizzard IS a bot! I solved it, boys.
Why would you say the servers are dead? Have you been on one? There’s people wall to wall round the clock. No one wants to play SoD
Too many layers. If you try to quest and realize every mob is dead you realize it's plenty of people.
Cancelled my sub last week and I'm committing to Turtle WoW. Blizz had one more chance and they blew it
+1
Turtle WoW is great!
@@SolheimGaming i agree, theyre passionate, active ban rmt and bots and have added so much zest to the game. Imo the spiritual successor to classic wow
3 guilds i raid with in SoD and non log, most pugs ive ran into will log.
Blizzard wants us to want their token. Why would they do anything. They are just trying to get the player base to submit due to their inaction. Either way, Blizzard financially win but at the complete detriment to their game. It’s sad.
"what if they never do anything about botting...?" erm... so you mean exactly like what they've done during the entire duration of World of Warcraft existing....?
Most people are not max level yet. We cleared classic in 2020 raids are not that interesting leveling and PvP is
Of course blizzard is gonna be happy that bots are infesting the game they all have to pay the same sub fee as a normal player so what difference does it make to the company and share holders? Botting has been happening at large scale since 2004 and its clearly had minimal effect on the popularity of the game all the while making blizzard hundreds of millions dollars.
Imagine going to your boss and saying you have a plan to reduce profits by 50% to make some randos on the internet happy, you would be fired on the spot.
I would make the same decision and allow bots if it was me leading the company and so would everyone else who is not lying to themself.
I think people are leveling alts before phase 2
Leveling mining on Spineshatter EU is next to impossible. I've been stuck on mithril for days now 🤣 botters controlling the market and if nothing is done, swiping will be forced. Just like 2019. Its sad to see.
I see so many people everywhere on eu PvE. And I play horde. Alliance should be booming!
Cant you try get anyone from blizzard to anser the this bot shity thingy? Try get your youtube fellas whit you to press them for answers!
Its because everyone was buying gold and got banned for 2 weeks
Thanke you bilizard to ban ppl and didnt touch botz its realy hard to get some gmz in the game...😢😢😢
Isn't only Ony's Lair and MC the only raids on the anniversary servers at the moment? Compared to how many available raids are in SoD? 4 right now, maybe?
Don't look at the raiding numbers. That's bull crap information, and you're smart enough to understand that.
botting is money in blizzards pocket...whats the difference between 10000 different people subbing or 10000 bot account subbing? its all the same money.
Fresh is packed af but impossible to run like fucking sunken temple and other dungeons. Lack of tanks and everyone boosts, can’t blame em
no ones does ST, shit loot, shit dungeon. literally all other dungeons are ran constantly but ST.
People who buy gold need to be banned permanently.
Botting is still a thing because those accounts pay subs too.
Someone should start a movement to get every real player not log in to the game for 1 day and the servers deserted as some kinda protest
There is about a 0% chance it hits the players back in 2019.Covid was a thing when it started to peak classic players. And like you said it took a while for it to peak too.
The botting is so dumb man... Want to play but ik there is no point haha.
Said those words a few times. Sad seeing one of my favorite games getting treated this way.