The main use for metal tiles over Pwater is for either things that are outside of Pwater's temperature range, or for counter flow heat exchangers where thermal conductivity is more important that heating/cooling. Also don't worry about how long it takes to get an episode out or how short it is, I know how slow mid-late game ONI can get, especially if you have some issues with the priorities.
Don't forget, steam generators literally convert steam into 95°C Water, so you could divert some of their output at a set rate or based on pressure and cool that water using side by side counterflow exchange with an aquatuner. That said, I love building unique contraptions to fix an issue, even if it isn't the most efficient.
Regarding the backlog, make sure dupes prioritize tasks in their specialization field. You can give everyone ranching skills, but with low husbandry it will take way more time to complete any ranching tasks. Same with operating, farming, etc. Try and see if making your rachers do only ranching helps, while everybody else is forbidden from doing ranching.
The "real" optimum chiller doesn't use a Polluted Water bath _or_ solid Aluminium tiles. If you use _clean_ water, alongside circulating coolant of pwater, you can freeze it into solid "natural" ice tiles. This gives you half the SHC of water or pwater, with a far higher TC (~2 as opposed to ~0.6), the density (and hence thermal mass) of using a liquid, _and_ the heat-conduction bonuses of running through solid tiles. You could also use solid Polluted Ice tiles, trading off a lower TC (exactly 1) for a higher SHC (~3), but this requires either the use of a less-energy-efficient circulating coolant like Ethanol, or waiting for Super Coolant. These options combine the benefits of both options, having the _enormous_ heat capacity of water with the speed of chilling gained from running the rails through solid tiles. You can even line the back with drywall or tempshift plates to add even _more_ thermal mass, if you like.
To extract water out of the industrial sauna you could tap into the outputs of the steam generators too - might be worth running through the cooling system too, although pipes would present some reconfiguration challenges - but I would suspect that a couple radiant pipe segments would be more than enough cooling.
The only disadvantage to doing it that way, is you don't get the drips from the turbine exhaust to help cool the bottom of the sauna. Def a good idea though.
I appreciate you taking my suggestion to heart and giving it a good test. However I believe metering your steam to 100g of mass means the steam packets don't have much thermal mass and will quickly change temperature no matter what it's run through. That's why both are effectively the same. They both reached the temperature of your coolant by the time they exited. I'd be curious to know which reached equilibrium first. Could you go to the ventilation layer and hover your mouse over the pipes section by section? For example, what temperature is the steam inside the first section of radiant pipe, second section, and so-on until it's reached equilibrium? Going to be tough to tell the difference with packet sizes of only 100g. The difference is much greater with the 10kg packets of fluid or 20kg packets of a conveyor. The original suggestion was for the conveyor loop, where 20kg packets of debris have some substantial thermal mass themselves.
It was an interesting test to do, but by no means the end all. I plan on exploring this in much more depth in an upcoming tutorial. We will get to the bottom of it. Thanks again for the suggestion.
what about the possiblity of ranching some Grub Grubs with the arbor trees, their grubgrub rub can increase the yield per cycle of lumber and provide for many more ethanol distilleries, turning a water negative process into a water positive one
Use the steam turbines piping to remove the excess of water. When the pressure is too high and the temperature is "ok", close the vent and move the water to your cooling contraption. A OR gate with temperature sensor to not overheat the room and a atmo sensor to control the room pressure will do the job. It will be waaaay more efficient and it will cool down a lot more water
One idea I had for running another base is to get a bunch of balm lily seeds and get a bunch of licey mutants, so that covers food, and they can be left in a Poxygen room to go off and turn into Pdirt and be fed into a sublimation station for air. You'd need a reactor to get that many mutants but that's maybe a long con type of project.
Standard room height is good for most plants. Only exception is hanging plants, then you measure 5 tile high rooms. Your rooms are 7 tiles high, way too much vertical distance.
@@EchoRidgeGaming I meant more when I'm playing. It can take ages to work out what's going on with liquid or gas pipes, and all the time that relentless chugging. I have to mute normally. A few seconds on a video, no problem!
My assumption is that Metal tiles do when out when cooling FOOD, because they're more sterile, but I don't know if that's true in game or not. Either way, metal does prevent the food from popping off the rail if it rots
@@EchoRidgeGaming but you’re pumping out 100gms of steam so it doesn’t break the pipes and cooling it, instead of taking the excess steam out using the output of the steam turbine.
I think your test was flawed based on the comment it came from. They were talking about Conveyor Rails to metal tiles heating yet your test was Metal Tiles/Polluted water heating from Ventilation piping. Are there differences in how Conveyor rails, Ventilation Piping, and Liquid Piping interact with the tiles?
I have commented about the tapidizer issue before but you ignore my comment, you are lucky what happen to me didn't happen to you. In my case, the tapidizer heat up the area untill 200° which makes the water/polluted water into steam. Please don't ignore comments on your video, as some of us just wanted to share what to do/what not to do based on our own experience. Cheers! 😊
14:59 - just when I was thinking today “does this whole ‘hidden echo’ thing even exist?! I’ve never found one!”
Yay I found one! :)
Nice work!
This video sets a new all-time record in the ratio of my fascination to understanding! Love it.
The main use for metal tiles over Pwater is for either things that are outside of Pwater's temperature range, or for counter flow heat exchangers where thermal conductivity is more important that heating/cooling.
Also don't worry about how long it takes to get an episode out or how short it is, I know how slow mid-late game ONI can get, especially if you have some issues with the priorities.
Don't forget, steam generators literally convert steam into 95°C Water, so you could divert some of their output at a set rate or based on pressure and cool that water using side by side counterflow exchange with an aquatuner. That said, I love building unique contraptions to fix an issue, even if it isn't the most efficient.
I like this method too and have done it. In this case, I am using the turbine exhaust water to cool the bottom of the sauna.
The tree growth progression in the orchard looks neat.
Finally saw my first hidden Echo.
Nice!
Regarding the backlog, make sure dupes prioritize tasks in their specialization field. You can give everyone ranching skills, but with low husbandry it will take way more time to complete any ranching tasks. Same with operating, farming, etc. Try and see if making your rachers do only ranching helps, while everybody else is forbidden from doing ranching.
Yeah we have the priorities set up pretty well.
Thank Echo - not sure how I stumbled on your channel but you are my favorite ONI producer. Always a treat to see you have uploaded another video!
Well I am glad your stumble found its way. Thanks for the compliment.
Pop-up cartoon Echo is definitely on my list of new fav things. 😆
Tyfs. Best of wishes!
I like to MOVE IT, MOVE IT!
This helped my current game as I was wondering about the polluted water v metal tiles cooling. Thank you!
OG Carol in the comments.
The pipe sounds is just so beautiful!
Woot! Finally caught up, found your channel about a month ago. I have watched every ONI video now :D
Thanks for checking out the backlog!
The "real" optimum chiller doesn't use a Polluted Water bath _or_ solid Aluminium tiles.
If you use _clean_ water, alongside circulating coolant of pwater, you can freeze it into solid "natural" ice tiles. This gives you half the SHC of water or pwater, with a far higher TC (~2 as opposed to ~0.6), the density (and hence thermal mass) of using a liquid, _and_ the heat-conduction bonuses of running through solid tiles. You could also use solid Polluted Ice tiles, trading off a lower TC (exactly 1) for a higher SHC (~3), but this requires either the use of a less-energy-efficient circulating coolant like Ethanol, or waiting for Super Coolant.
These options combine the benefits of both options, having the _enormous_ heat capacity of water with the speed of chilling gained from running the rails through solid tiles. You can even line the back with drywall or tempshift plates to add even _more_ thermal mass, if you like.
I like this a lot. Will try it one day.
It is a good day when these episodes come out! :D
To extract water out of the industrial sauna you could tap into the outputs of the steam generators too - might be worth running through the cooling system too, although pipes would present some reconfiguration challenges - but I would suspect that a couple radiant pipe segments would be more than enough cooling.
The only disadvantage to doing it that way, is you don't get the drips from the turbine exhaust to help cool the bottom of the sauna. Def a good idea though.
3:30 you only need to surround the door with 7 tiles , the top 3 tiles don't matter. the door should be also closed.
Door being closed took me a minute to figure out.
I appreciate you taking my suggestion to heart and giving it a good test. However I believe metering your steam to 100g of mass means the steam packets don't have much thermal mass and will quickly change temperature no matter what it's run through. That's why both are effectively the same. They both reached the temperature of your coolant by the time they exited. I'd be curious to know which reached equilibrium first.
Could you go to the ventilation layer and hover your mouse over the pipes section by section? For example, what temperature is the steam inside the first section of radiant pipe, second section, and so-on until it's reached equilibrium? Going to be tough to tell the difference with packet sizes of only 100g. The difference is much greater with the 10kg packets of fluid or 20kg packets of a conveyor. The original suggestion was for the conveyor loop, where 20kg packets of debris have some substantial thermal mass themselves.
It was an interesting test to do, but by no means the end all. I plan on exploring this in much more depth in an upcoming tutorial. We will get to the bottom of it. Thanks again for the suggestion.
Stick some thermal conductive plates in that polluted water for even more mass and that water will never heat up
I like this... a lot.
15:06 Sneaky construction worker Echo next to the teleporter!
Also sorry for missing the gold, wasn't at home :(
Nice
Just Awesome 😁
what about the possiblity of ranching some Grub Grubs with the arbor trees, their grubgrub rub can increase the yield per cycle of lumber and provide for many more ethanol distilleries, turning a water negative process into a water positive one
Currently no grubgrubs running around. Good idea if I find some.
Use the steam turbines piping to remove the excess of water.
When the pressure is too high and the temperature is "ok", close the vent and move the water to your cooling contraption.
A OR gate with temperature sensor to not overheat the room and a atmo sensor to control the room pressure will do the job.
It will be waaaay more efficient and it will cool down a lot more water
We have done this before too. In this sauna though, I am using the turbine vented water to cool the bottom of the sauna.
One idea I had for running another base is to get a bunch of balm lily seeds and get a bunch of licey mutants, so that covers food, and they can be left in a Poxygen room to go off and turn into Pdirt and be fed into a sublimation station for air.
You'd need a reactor to get that many mutants but that's maybe a long con type of project.
I like this idea.
That sound of the Natural Gas running through the Pipes reminds me of a great JRPG for the SNES called Robotrek
I miss those days... sometimes.
Standard room height is good for most plants. Only exception is hanging plants, then you measure 5 tile high rooms. Your rooms are 7 tiles high, way too much vertical distance.
How cool, using the natural tile exploit, nice!
"Easter Egg"
@@EchoRidgeGaming See? now you get it!
Is there a mod to stop the pipe sounds? They do my head in.
Noted ha. Won't do them again for awhile ;)
@@EchoRidgeGaming I meant more when I'm playing. It can take ages to work out what's going on with liquid or gas pipes, and all the time that relentless chugging. I have to mute normally.
A few seconds on a video, no problem!
My assumption is that Metal tiles do when out when cooling FOOD, because they're more sterile, but I don't know if that's true in game or not. Either way, metal does prevent the food from popping off the rail if it rots
I spy that sneaky Construction Echo at 15.10
Bingo
15:06 got him
Yes you did
Good morning Echo! Here is a shameless comment, love the episode as always.
Thank you for the shameless comment, here is a proud reply.
@19:30 instead of cooling the steam you could just take the hot water from steam turbines instead of putting it back into the steam room.
Yes but I need the turbine output to cool the bottom part of the sauna.
@@EchoRidgeGaming but you’re pumping out 100gms of steam so it doesn’t break the pipes and cooling it, instead of taking the excess steam out using the output of the steam turbine.
I missed the end credits song lol gas pipe ASMR is not that soothing lol. Really appreciate you doing the side by side with metal tile vs p water
And you can also hire more dupes, since it seems you have a surplus of calories and oxygen.
This I plan on doing, slow and steady.
Maybe the quick save mod is affecting the game play?
My bet is the water will win out. It simply holds more heat.
Your bet was correct.
17:17 God no. I dare you to do another pipe snake again 🔫😐
Polluted water for the win period.
You da bomb
Is the builder at 15 minutes today's hidden Echo, or did I just miss it?
That was it. :)
I think your test was flawed based on the comment it came from. They were talking about Conveyor Rails to metal tiles heating yet your test was Metal Tiles/Polluted water heating from Ventilation piping. Are there differences in how Conveyor rails, Ventilation Piping, and Liquid Piping interact with the tiles?
I am not sure, as I understand it, the environment is the environment. I am looking forward to doing further tests though.
Found a echo at 15:10
Nice job
echo is panning some thing ad 15.03
Egg
Shameless comment.
Thank you!
I have commented about the tapidizer issue before but you ignore my comment, you are lucky what happen to me didn't happen to you. In my case, the tapidizer heat up the area untill 200° which makes the water/polluted water into steam. Please don't ignore comments on your video, as some of us just wanted to share what to do/what not to do based on our own experience. Cheers! 😊
I read every comment and appreciate everyone sharing their experiences.
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