Astartes - Analysis with Arch Warhammer
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"Marines aren't scared, they're inconvenienced."
*Sounds about right.*
Without fear they will serve as hornemants to the skull throne much the same
@@thebaron9405 Harder for daemons to smell though
Every time I see something that demonstrates the sheer power of the Astartes, I'm instantly reminded of how overpowered Genestealers were made for the sake of Space Hulk, and I get pissed off.
Do they even purge bro?
Arch misidentified ship… Arch is sorry… BUT! Arch did get right the amount of dudes it carries! Arch was Half Full of Right
Which ship was it then?
@@jacklang3314 would also like to know.
Don't worry Sargon misspelled Astartes to make us too preoccupied to notice lol.
@@jacklang3314
Cobra Class Imperial Navy Escort.
Arch, did you ever get a chance to read Word Bearers The Omnibus? I think you would be very interested by it.
I'm disappointed that Sargon and Arch both described the Astartes inhuman bravery without using the phrase "know no fear".
No-one cares for your fan-boyism. Bitch elsewhere.
@@TereninLol why so mad
Terenin
It was just a joke, calm down.
@@Terenin a 52 minute fanboy spergfest of a video. and you are shitting bricks that someone made use of an in universe reference quote? what are you? fucking casul?
@@Terenin burn the heretic IN HELLFIRE
Sargon: we doint know if they did anything wrong...
Me: Cough...
Sargon: They might be the good guys...
Me: COUGH COUGH... starts sweating...
Sargon: I should be rooting for these guys!
Me: HE'S OVER THERE INQUISITOR!!! I SWEAR I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!
Spandan Ganguli that’s Arbites logic. The inquisition aren’t Arbites.
@@T-74 You heard him speak. There must have been a reason you were nearby.
Spandan Ganguli no, you still haven’t got it. The *planets* dead along with him.
@@T-74 okay, fair point there. I acquiesce.
*Laughs in Emperor's smugface* I think he is right with part 5 being out now....
Guys, my Dudes, part 4 is out now... We require another vid. The God Emperor demands it lol
*TERRA DEMANDS IT*
the vid is in arch channel
"If you go to Zahadum you will die."-Kosh
And now ep 5 is out.
We need a new review the last one was made.
Notification: Arstartes
Title: Astartes
Description: Astates
And its all wrong: its ASStates
Still not fixed
The last Perpetual I guess it's a feature, not a bug!
Notification: Karstodes
Title: Custodisi
Description: Wamuudes
Fabulous Custodes!
If only the channel was astartes
"They aren't the good guys"
That sounds suspiciously like heresy to me...
*slowly draws bolt pistol and dons commissar cap*
Stand down, Brother. Carl is a Battle-Brother, and we have to trust his judgement or not trust the Astartes at all.
Brother Darth Jami what if they are alpha legionnares in disguise?
@@temlan HAHA! YOU FELL FOR IT FOOLS! *pulls off mask* IT WAS I, ALPHARIUS, ALL ALONG!
@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 NYAHEHEHE! LETS GET OUT OF HERE BROTHA!
everyone watch the original video you don't get the atmosphere in this vid
Yeah they're all in the links.
@StripperTipper-405 heretic!
I've seen all of them, stayed for the commentary.
Rebels: YOU HAVE LIVED YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS VERY MOMENT. GIVE THEM NO QUARTER.
Astartes: *sigh* Another day in the office.
"I am indeed the expert!"
This is truly how such a humble man introduces himself.
@Kade Daivis Lol absolutely not. Arch gets shit wrong on a regular basis, he's no more an expert than you, me, or any average fan.
@Kade Daivis As you mentioned his videos are very long, so I'm not going to go back to find specific examples considering I stopped watching him ages ago.
But I do remember he didn't seem to know shit when it came to Warhammer Fantasy (specifically I think it was his Total War Warhammer vids).
And as previously mentioned, he's made enough errors on video for 40k to just be qualified as a fan, not an expert.
That's not some sort of indictment of him as a person, I'm just saying not to overinflate his knowledge on these things just because his channel is dedicated to it. He has no more right to be boastful than any average fan, simply put.
@@LordVader1094 Eh everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but let's not undervalue his knowledge on the subject either. An average fan is not equivalent to Arch in 40k knowledge.
the problem with Arch is you almost never know when he's being sarcastic, I caught on when he expanded with "the one and only."
I love how the humans are doing everything right and it's for nothing
That's what it's like fighting marines in the lore.
Your just a mortal with a flashlight to them.
Kyros Droztamyr
That was a multilaser, not a lascannoj
@Kyros Droztamyr The only gun that we see the Astartes having to worry about was the autocannon, against which they had to angle their pouldrons because those things are famous for killing Astartes.
Heavy stubbers on the other hand are useless. They are literally modern Heavy Machine Guns, not even the overkill Russian 14.5 mm one should be able to kill a Space Marine outside of a point blank shot penetrating one of the junctions.
@Kyros Droztamyr did a looksie on the weapon itself, apparently this modification makes it lose out on it's penetrative power, meaning it's entirely meant for infantry or very light armored vehicles. It would appear that the only true threat was that 20mm autocannon, since a multilaser is the exact opposite of what you'd want. Would be interesting to see a lascannon in the next vid, tho.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 Heavy stubbers have punched through power armor in the lore, autoguns have killed spacemarines in lore. They can occasionally punch through the helmet to get the marine. The multilaser should have done some visible damage.
It's settled then. The next D&D campaign has to be a Warhammer 40K campaign. Make it happen Sargon, the comment section demands it!!
Takahata101 of team four star did a rogue trader campaign of Orks called "DA KREW" and it was glorious.
Food for thought of how they could.
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Yes. Stop playing D&D and start playing Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch/Black Crusade/Only War
@@VioletDeathRei it was fun. Didn't expect SenileSnake was going to be that good of a GM.
@@sevenproxies4255 Stop? No, no, no, no. One does not simply STOP playing D&D. We're 31 episodes into this crusade and I plan to see it all the way through, I'm committed! It is a just one after all. Once the crusade is over and the Prophet Vee reigns supreme, THEN we can move on to the next campaign.
@@MrTwistedFrenzy na na we can just put it on hiatus for a bit....
🤣
That ship at 2:00 is an Imperial Navy Cobra class torpedo escort. In Battlefleet Gothic (table top), you could take them as escorts in your Space Marine fleet. The actual Space Marine escort ships look like scaled down Battle Barges.
Edit: If it is indeed an Imperial Navy ship, it would make sense for there to be normal humans on the ship.
cobras are employed by SM chapters as far as I know and of course theres gonna be human personal on the ship, operating every fuction of these ships would be below a space marine
EDIT: but yeah its probably a joint venture of IG and SM depicted in the video, it seems that the rebels have something of worth (the start of part 3 with the door) calling the inquisition to the matter and they asked some SM for help to secure it, or so it would seem
@@JadeRiese
Yup, which is why you could take them on the table top. My old Black Templars fleet had them.
It looked odly clean. I always thought it would be dark and scary. Like the porn collection of a Slaaneshi cultist.
the ship being a navy escort does help to explain why there is a thunderbolt escorting the boarding torpedo.
"terrible mistake by the gunner"; "he probably panicked" - well they don't call it transhuman dread for nothing.
Lol
Try aiming down an 8' tall, 1 ton, fully armored/equipped Adeptus Astartes while he's coming at you with a dead look in his eyes and see how well you perform.
-"maybe between 20 and 50 astartes.."
-"so thats hardly anything, then."
*raises eyebrow in stunned silence* .. ya think? ;P
Meanwhile, if I recall correctly - once upon a time, like 5 of those motherfuckers were able to hold a fucking *PLANET* , under ork (?) invasion, until help arrived. Or Exterminatus, I don't remember - Inquisition doesn't see the difference anyway xD
So, yeah - 50 is "hardly" anything, right ;)
"I'm used to thinking of Tyrranid hordes."
Sounds like a job for 20-50 Astartes.
@@nikovbn839 I mean it is nothing compared to the legions they controlled in 30k. Think 10k to 250k space marines per legion. Instead of the measly 1k limit in 40k.
@@dnw009 True, if you compare it this way. But imagine if like 5 of them landed on our Earth. Only thing we could do is surrender xD
Astartes are lethal as fuck, in any quantities :)
@@dnw009 now just think, WHAT was the Emperor in his prime. No shit everyone worship him as a god.
"They are my Space Marines, and they shall know no fear."
In most of the novels, Astartes are fighting other Astartes (I've been reading Horus Heresy novels), so they seem like baseline fighters. Something like this really shows just how devastating and terrifying they would be against regular humans.
It also makes you appreciate how terrifying the Orks, Tyranids and other aliens really are - if Space Marines, created to fight them, are this merciless and effective. Mankind essentially created monsters to fight even bigger monsters.
I can only think the amount of fanaticism and balls Gaurdsmen must have to stand against anything that could stop a Space Marines
It also seems in the heresy they were more of super soldiers, while in normal 40k they're practically gods, where 100 of them can attack a planet on their own
Yeah I think when the Chaos SM showed up in the first Gaunt's Ghosts book was one of my favorite parts of it. There's only like 2 of them in the entire book but they're like fullblown boss fights for the Guard. The prologue in the first Ultramarines book where Sgt Ventris basically just runs around snapping traitors in half with no effort was pretty memorable too.
@Imperial Judesmen138 I also think that Games Workshop has a poor sense of scale. It seems like in some cases the company of 100 is a whole army, while other times they need dozens of whole chapters to respond to a threat
Love how the bolters are done in this. Very satisfying to see them basically pop there targets into red mist, with a awesome blap sound. Very 40k. Love it
The bolters are the only thing that could have been better. Bolts are gyrojets. After leaving the barrel they ignite their rocket fuel, I think that should have been represented. instead they sound like your standard gun. The exploding warheads are great though.
@@hansgruber4622 cue the next vid :) they're shown nicely
why is there sound in space?
so ORK ships can communicate.
but still ork magic, YAES?
Technically speaking they got it very close to correct, most of the sound you hear in the space scene is done through vibration and heat differentials
@midgetydeath Couldn't it also be because they are in an asteroid belt ? (couldn't that help retain a bit of atmosphere, thanks to both the collisions that would generate dust, and to gas escaping from both said meteorites and the planet's own escaping atmosphere)
And, as it turns out, the expanding gas cloud from explosions can impart sound on things they hit, and most of the rest of the sound is impacts with the vessel or internal noise
It's near a planet and in an asteroid field at that. While the air will be EXTREMELY thin, it wouldn't be a perfect vacuum so the muffled sounds aren't too insane.
I have lost the fight to resist my burning need to throw my two cents in.
1:47 : Cobra, not Strike Cruiser. Though you obviously noted your mistake, so no harm.
3:29 : If it were Astartes, these could also be bondsmen, regular humans who are bound to chapters as the base level workforce. Even the biggest Chapters don't have enough Chapter Serfs to man every warship and facility. But Navy vessel, so these are almost certainly Navy Armsmen.
4:44 : No complaints here, just pointing out it could also indicate the marine performing the blessing was in the Deathwatch at some point.
5:28 : Lowballing their weight by a good amount. An unarmored Astartes probably weigh more in the 600-700 lbs region. They're not only big, they're DENSE.
6:40 : Boarding Torpedoes do not deploy out of hangers. That is a Caestus Assault Ram.
7:28 : I actually thought this was a Xiphon until you pointed it out as a Thunderbolt. Which bothers me slightly, Thunderbolts are usually deployed in atmosphere. A Fury would have been the more appropriate Navy fighter to escort a Caestus in. BUT, since this is a mere Destroyer, it's possible they deployed a Thunderbolt due to lacking the space or facilities to care for a full void fighter. A Xiphon would fit, but they are fairly rare machines.
15:40 : In fact, not even the eye lense is a weak point. It's actually a small camera under a glass lense that displays on a screen right behind it. The helmet is just a solid there as anywhere.
37:37 : I just want to point out my appreciation of the sound design of this series. The reverbing echo of the bolt pistol firing down that corridor is just perfect.
46:29 : Also because Astartes optics allow them to SEE through the smoke. If you recall the scene when they first leave their Caestus (which I'm surprised you didn't point out), you get a brief view from the Marines' perspective, looking out of the exit hatch and seeing the heretics highlighted in thermal vision. However, you are correct that even without a helmet, an Astartes could make that shot through memory alone. And what a perfect shot to end on.
Very excited to see what happens next!
avpfreak I thought Astartes armor alone weighted a few tones
@@gognhere1307There's never really been a set weight for a Space Marine in full power armour, but most estimates place them around a ton and a half to two tons, with a full weapons and equipment loadout, probably around 5ish tons for Terminator armour. However, I was referencing to the weight of an Astartes WITHOUT his armour on.
avpfreak point well made my dude
100% agree in that being a Caestus Assault Ram.
Normal human at 8ft is about 450lbs, so yeah with the higher bone and mass density 600-700 may even be low with how the Space Marines are big in all 3 dimensions.
The Codex Astartes supports this action.
I've got a bike with like four gears maybe five but my point is I will let it go for 50 and not a penny less but if you want to fuck around I have other people interested.
Shut up leandros
Wrong, it is Astartes.
Edit. Nothing to see here, the Inquisition doesn't exist. Go back to work Citizens.
Stfu pussy
@@DB-sd3cw nou
@@DB-sd3cw Hillary Clinton will come for you if you aren't careful. Better look out boyo.
@@1110-s1t fake news. Now you must suffer for your transgressions against the prophet of the orange warlord.
@@1110-s1t Suffer not the traitor, the heretic and the xeno.
This series is a visual representation of what I have always had in my mind as to how Space Marines operate and their capabilities. It is bloody wonderful.
Infinity war is going to be the most ambitious crossover ever
Sargon: hold my beer
The thing I love the most about the victims (because let's face it, that's what they are. They are helpless victims of the Astartes here) is how they're legitimately trying. They are doing everything they can to stop the Marines!
"Outside of the armor they're like 250 lbs"
Surprised to hear this coming from Arch. Your 8ft tall all muscle super human is somehow only 250lbs outside of their armor? No, they gotta be way more than that.
D3athChick3n hm, so I can bench press 2 astartes.
@@invaderHUNK Exactly, it makes no sense that they'd only be 250 lbs outside of their armor. There are powerlifters and strongmen that weigh much more than that. I'm thinking they'd at the very least be 500, maybe 700.
@@D3athChick3n most likely got lbs and kg switched in his head, 250kg is roughly quarter of ton, which would be closer.
@@kreeger7 Fair enough.
Yeah, he probs means kg
I love how the hype for Astartes is taking off like a rocket!
I'm happy, and not. I fear that GW is going to use the ban hammer on him because he's making money off the project.
>.> thats the problem
@SmashStomp Inc This is GW we're talking about. They're infamous for banning a fan film (that wasn't raising any money). As well as trying to sue people for using their artwork as avatars in forums.
Here is detail you probably missed:
Plasma Pistol charged a second before marine stubbed that guy.
(red light on marine's belt)
DAYUM, what kind of eye do you have ?
"I can't believe GW hasn't picked this up already"
Once, it would have been cause for rejoice when they did. Now instead, it is cause for tears.
We will never see such talent again without paying hundreds of dollars :(
That's not a boarding torpedo, it's a Caestus assault ram.
Hey guys sorry about the numbers of ads on this. I guess TH-cam puts them on automatically for some reason but it's late so I'll fix it tomorrow.
At least, you will never have to deal with this kind of problem in the foreseeable future.
Astates is an incredible fan-created 3D animated series. You should definitely watch it first here before watching this review:
Part 1: th-cam.com/video/g-MteECxZUY/w-d-xo.html
Part 2: th-cam.com/video/mfGPMJ8A0QY/w-d-xo.html
Part 3: th-cam.com/video/CMGRa4_UjE4/w-d-xo.html
Arch Warhammer's channel: th-cam.com/channels/hS9wazLlTUHSTeKVG39hZw.html
You have my full attention.
The Thinkery could you comment on The Outer Worlds a.k.a new Fallout?
My two favorite TH-camrs together again, you can never have too much 40k.
Astartes not Arstates.
Astartes*
I’m more of a Chaos fan but somewhere inside, locked away there’s a Loyalist in there.
So... Relictors?
Nah, imma fan of Khârn and his band of merry Butchers and also the Night Lords.
Loyalist when someone mentions Lamenters or Black Templars for me.
There are a few thousand sons and iron warriors who ended up a little loyal on the inside.
Heck the word bearers had a sniper who tried to kill Logar.
Rin- Joh poor Lamenters...
You know that "Shut up and take my money!" meme?
That's me when I watch those...films? Shorts? Things-That-I-Need-More-Of?
Skypeon teasers is the most accurate description
I just now noticed. At 4:05.
Theres a group crossing the hallway, and a large robed figure with them. Mechanicus? doesnt seem so, maybe our commanding inquisitor?
Damn, 9 months prescient
@@Dorsidwarf rolled a 7, still would never have guessed they had a pressing psychic abomination on board.
Awesome. Love Arch's and Sargon's content.
For the Emperor!
H awayhhàil momentum
It is better to die for the emperor than live for oneself!
The way the bolter and multilaser are represented are amazing. Dead on to how I imagine them.
Only thing that kinda bothered me was how nothing seem to even rub the paint off. After watching video in slow motion sure there was little damage from multilaser, but it was rather poorly presented as everything happened so fast. Kinda like it realistic speed, but presenting details like this becomes much harder.
Hella good though. It's almost Bob on with what I've had in my head since I started reading the Horus Heracy books.
Genuinely hoping either gw turn the heracy books into films or TV series thing
The auto canon was definitely bigger than a .50, looked more like a 20mm
The Heavy Stubber is more like the .50 BMG. The tabletop model is based off of the Browning M2.
GrimBrotherIV Yeah there’s not way that things a .50. That’s a 20mm. 15mm at least.
I think lore autocannons are atleast 40mm, if not 50mm.
Here's a 1:1 replica some folks made up.picr.de/2869321.jpg
The page description says that one is 40mm, and even that looks a bit thin compared the models
Sounded gorgeous though 😀
That thing would be an anti-tank weapon in our world.
Part 4 came out and it is glorious
The 4th is out, I expect a video
Arch: Chapter serfs are armed. Both in fortress monasteries and aboard Astartes vessels.
They can fulfill roles as gunners (although mostly servitors perform that function) and as stationary guards, since they wouldn't be able to keep the same pace as Astartes in offensive operations.
Also, don't forget, a strike cruiser is frigging huge.
Frigate sized ships in 40K are somewhere between 1-2 kilometers long. Cruisers are even bigger.
i think the marines are being deployed in a caestus assault ram that fires a magna melta that softens up the target before penetration.
Fuck. Beat me to the punch on that research.
Go to 1d4chans article on the assault ram. They agree that it is maximum innuendo.
09:00 is when the boomer moves the cursor so you don't see the UI controls.
Id like to point out,that This Astartes DID take armor damage from that God-Dam Multilaser. He DID have solid impackt marks on his armor. And one more thing: Geting Arch with you to Analyse this? That was a BRILIANT move on your side.
The beauty of this is he captures the scale of the Astartes their speed,reactions, physicality. The idea that even if you put delta/seals/special forces trained and equipped to the peak human natural ability....they simply cannot come close to facing the astartes, they are wholly slaughtered, but the idea that it takes soldiers of that caliber to just barely maintain humanities existence by the thinnest of margins.
Because there are Orks with vast numbers and applied reality-bending superstition, Tyranids with vast numbers and Zerg/Xenomorph/Cthulu bullcrap, Chaos forces with vast numbers and FOOKIN MAGIC, Eldar with cool gear and space-elf FOOKIN MAGIC, and Tau with...actual science
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. The best representation of Astartes combat I've seen yet.
P.S. Primaris Marines were just a bad dream.
Guilliman had a dream where he thought he could do it better than the Emperor.
Wouldn't be the first time.
Chadmaris Marines are the future.
Bwahaha.
Yea your not in intimidated by larger marines at all 😂😂
Mini marines have a use, some one needs to drive the predators and carry the heavy weapons. 😂
It's no dream.
@SmashStomp Inc and people forgot about the raptor project this isn't the first time they rmtried to improve the astartes crovax did it first.
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!
Adam Langfelder BURN IN HOLY FIRE!
Adam Langfelder AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Stfu pussy
@@DB-sd3cw no u
The Emperor Protects, guided by his light humanity exterminates the unclean hordes.
Have you seen the live action 'Guardsman' fan short film?
Captain L-Ron that was good shit
Going to now.
High level fan fiction.
Was let down a bit by the marine being a cosplay so the movements seemed a bit unbalanced.
Damn fine effort though and begs for a continuation with the guardsman following the marine.
Isn't that made by the hellsreach guy?
That short is pretty corny. Try helsreach, Astartes and death of hope.
With Part 4 out now, am curious to see what Sargon and Arch have to say about it
Part 4 is up! Praise the Emperor! We don't deserve this gift.
When you commented that you were obsessing over every detail, I didn't think we'd get a recorded play by play of your obsession.
GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!!!
Count Ravid No
@@ezekyleabbadon9555 Bad Abbadon no arms for you! Grandpa is very disapointed.
Big E Emperor Of Mankind No. I like arms. You are gay. I'm better than you because I made Cadia go boom.
@@ezekyleabbadon9555 13th try is the charm am I right? Only took you about 10,000 years to do a fraction of what Horus did in less then a millennia but good for you, you can keep an arm.
Big E Emperor Of Mankind Piff. I didn't see you blowing up Cadia anytime soon. Anyway Horus was also gay. I killed him better than you. Also I want both arms.
I can't help but think of how much more terrifying chaos marines must be. You've got the brutal effeciancy of their loyal cousins, but without any form of control or restraint and millenia more combat experience, free to do whatever they want...
Ultimately what chaos always lacks is that restraint, self control and discipline. It might sound cool but it's not really a good thing to be lacking when the bolts are flying. Plus now that there are Renegades in the lore as well as just Traitor legionaries, not all chaos marines have that much experience.
@@kevinmerrifield4767 Chaos renegades are often highly experienced at Boarding combat. Since they work as pirates or mercenery men to the highest bidders. "Normal" chaos marines that show up are fucking horrifying. While they can feel more fear that loyalists. Normal humans don't stand a lick of a chance against their warp charged fury.
@@spacehitler4537 Yes, that could very likely be true. What I was trying to say was that with the title "Legionaire", comes a certain respect due to the potentially vast experience of a Horus Heresy veteran. A more recent "renegade" though, carries no such guarantee. He may have a few centuries experience or merely that of a few months. And then there's losses and replacements and so on. Inevitably at some stage it comes to personal headcannon.
Have fun, Roll hot.
@@kevinmerrifield4767 Oh yeah not to mention a chaos legionnaire could've popped out of the warp 10000 years in the future, and it only felt like a decade or so passed. So they could just be at basic levels of training as well.
“This heroic sacrifice was just brushed away, the Space Marine doesn’t even look at him”
I love this. I need to get in to Warhammer more.
I want to thank you Sargon You got me into the warhammer 40k universe. What a crazy amazing fun ride the lore was to read, so engrossing. I practically spent a whole week off work everyday learning the background history/chapter lore and still am learning more today. What a ride.
Not sure about precise figures, but Arch says Astartes weigh like 250lbs outside of their armor, and this seems much too low. Hafthor Bjornson (who plays the Mountain on GoT) is nearly 400lbs and is still probably not large enough.
@Abserd O sounds about right.
I think it was likely he meant kilogram instead of pound. At least then he would have said about 550 lbs. Still not sure if that is enough considering the scale of those guys. They are huge in more than just height [this was not intended as a sexual innuendo]. Those guys have extra organs, denser muscles, strengthened bones, etc. They should be not only huge compared to humans but dense enough to sink like rocks in water.
Rolf Hartmann he's European. He meant kilos.
Metric is heresy. @@jgw9990
Rolf Hartmann lol metric is logical, unlike whatever the fuck it is America uses.
I can’t wait to see ‘ARRRstartes’, gonna be a great Space Pirate opera
Would you kindly let me into your city Ryan
I love the brutality. I cannot wait for more videos especially against Xenos.
Yeah, they should build the wall.
The only place I can remember seeing a twin-linked multi laser would be on the Tauros Venator from the FW Elysian range. Rare weapon indeed!
"they could fit up to a hundred [battle brothers]" ..
a) it's a cobra class destroyer, not a cruiser.
b) even the destroyer is over a kilometer long, this thing can fit the whole chapter if need be.
Why not fullscreen the video + use Space to pause/unpause? Or at least download the video locally and stream it from there. Most of the time we barely see anything you guys are showing.
Obviously trying to guard against a copy right channel strike. Were you knew to TH-cam when you commented this?
@@XZ-III yeah it still apply its fairly easy to flag another video that has stolen your digital property
Sargon belongs in the Great Libraries of Macragge.
@Tomas Duarte You defy my glorious Primarch and Lord Regent of the Imperium?
I think the Thunderbolt serves as diversion at 9:16, attacking from a different angle to draw fire away from the Space Marine's Boarding Torpedos. The initial fire of the traitors is aimed at the direction the Thunderbolt flew to, and there's a massive explosion, either missles being fired down or the Thunderbolt coming apart under the defensive fire.
The attention to detail of Astartes' short clips is amazing.
Fuuuuuuuuck, everything about this is... it's so enjoyable that it's actually viscerally pleasurable for me to experience. The sound design, the sheer weight of the rounds and the Astartes' footsteps, the sounds of the weaponsfire changing depending on distance and environment, the tiny details like the smoke being forced away from the plasma bolt, the machine-like smooth action and efficiency of the Marines...
By the Emperor, this is truly a work of the ages.
16:01 Arch makes involuntary happy sounds
The coolest thing about this is that it reminded me Astartes are supposed to be terror-inducing. These three videos have instilled that awe I originally had for the the Space Marines. So awesome. Not only is this high quality animation but it's so faithful to the spirit of the franchise I fell in love with.
The way it's shot and lit (mostly dark) means the team is being very clever with their time and budget. A whole movie in this style with a modest budget is actually pretty achievable.
Team? This is all one person man!
@@mali5698 Really?? 😅😅 I was not aware!
I knew of Arch. I knew of Sargon. I did not know the two knew each other. The incestuousness of youtube never ceases to amaze me.
How did you not know? Arch went on Sargon's channel years ago when 40K was first being assaulted by the Femnids trying to get (Emperor forgive my heresy in saying this) Female Space Marines....I must go wash my hands for typing such bile.
Point of correction for Arch. Astartes weight upwards of 700lbs outside their armour. Remember Andre the Giant weighed 500 or so give or take. The dual Multi lasers are called Tarantulas, the Astartes versions being mounted on anti grav sleds/platforms. As for the autocannon, I would suggest it is either 20 or 30mm. Far larger and deadlier than a 0.50 Cal.
Oh god, more WH40K stuff between Arch and Sargon?
This needs to be its own channel dedicated entirely too this. It was already enough of a surprise to see one of my favorite channels pop up in a Sargon video, but if you guys make more I will definitely watch.
Did you guys notice that the Marine actually threw a smoke grenade as he stepped behind cover to obscure the vision of the laser gunner then shot him with the plasma pistol?
Holy shit I only just noticed it when I read your comment and I've watched this like a dozen times by now.
It also dispersed the laser beams as well. Effective putting up a wall he could fire through but his enemy couldn't.
@@orumonuldor1340 Your observant. I didn't realise that the lasgun couldn't shoot through it.
@@spandanganguli6903 To be fair it took me three watch throughs to notice.
Orumon Uldor A smoke screen isn’t going to stop las weaponry...it’s firing incredibly powerful energy beams that are capable of punching through armored vehicles. The reason the gunner stopped firing was because it was a sort of flash grenade that blinded and stunned him.
37:38 I love the way the creator made the gunfire in sound in the hall
The weaponry getting “stronger” as the Astartes get closer to their objective makes sense. You try to keep your bigger weapons closer to the point of defense to make it easier to maintain, run ammo, etc. And the smoke grenade doesn’t have to have any kind of flash in it. Flares on jets/bombers dump loads of chaff which is basically really hot metal flakes. Not to mention smoke grenades are already super hot when deployed. If the viewfinder the lasgun was using relied on heat sensing or IR, the grenade would’ve definitely blinded the sensors for at least a few seconds while either the sensor readjusts or the grenade runs for a while and “cools off”. Not to mention the lasgun is like a 50/50, he fired early out of panic, or he fired early because he wanted to keep the element of surprise, not letting the Astartes make it however far down the hallway, notices the turret early, and fires first. It takes away any reaction time the marine might have. Still not a great idea either way lmao.
4:12 - The difference between a Machine Spirit and an Abominable Intelligence being one can't self-improve, the other can. (and decides to wipe out humans) | Ordo Hereticus tied Astartes? | 6:00 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs. | The Aquilla on the chest has a hand on it, which implies either Iron Hands or Imperial Fists. | 23:27 - Good? Bad? This is Grimdark! | 32:40 - They have nothing to lose. | 45:50 - The Dark Angels have a large amount of those, don't they?
At 10:21 you can see the Thunderbolt strafe the ship, redirecting the defenses attention.
also knocking the engines of the ship down
The Dredd vibe is palpable
Now that you mention it, I see it.
the music beat man.. hope for a Dredd netflix show
2000AD was in fact one of the early inflences on the world of 40k. You can see it implicitly in the Adeptus Arbites, colloquially known in the Original Rogue Trader as the "Judges" who are still able to deliver summary judgement in current 40k lore.
34:15 I never realized that guy circled around until you mentioned it. I love how subtle the story telling is, which I think adds to the horror. I love how the only thing you see is the outline of the marine in the brief glow of the muzzle flash before he mercilessly guns down the operator.
The weapon being used by the renegade that was ambushing the astartes from within the walls appears to take a number of cues from various Anti-armor weaponry fielded during world war 1 and 2, most notably the side feeding Solothurn S18-1000, however I have seen a GSh-30-1 set up to fire as a stationary gun emplacement with a similar drum magazine, so it's safe to say the bullets being fired during that scene could be anywhere from 20mm to 30mm.
Massively late to the party, but a fair amount of the 3d models have been made and that is where a good portion of the difficulty and time are sunk. In Star Wars Clone Wars you don't ever see Alya Secura until Jedi Crash. After that, she is often seen in the background at the Jedi Temple because they had her model. The models for the bolters, bolt and plasma pistol, the Mk 7 power armor, the guardsmen/rebels, numerous corridors, and various other weapons have already been created. The sounds and associated effects have been created and assigned. A large chunk of the work has already been done. A different chapter is a reskin away. Now rendering time is a different story. I shudder to think how long it took for 1 frame to render.
May The Dark Gods Bless you Sargon
Stfu pussy you will kneel before the orange warlord.
@@DB-sd3cw wut
@@David-px6yu he doesn't know followers of chaos don't care for the emperor must have skipped those few thousand years of lore.
I agree
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!?
51:25 Love the commentary about the idea that deployment of force as a failure of diplomacy. I was Marine infantry with combat action, and now I work with 3d and storyboarding. This is Gold! any more similar vids with you guys on this sort of breakdown?
They are my Space Marines, and they shall know no fear! ...However, they may know occasional inconveniences along the way....
That split-second shot of the space marine tanking that multi-las fire on his armor... muah... beautiful.
All three of these are just bloody brutal! Watching it in 1080 is amazing! Hell, I had to go watch them on my TV for the full experience!
These are so beautifully done, that I had to donate to Pedersen!
ONLY IN DEATH DOSE DUTY END!
EVEN IN DEATH I SURF
dunno, never been on death dose duty so I can't say when it ends
Anyone played the new Death Dose Duty? Is it any good?
@@A-Ron It's the best euthanasia clinic sim out there but that's not saying much, grind fest IMO
@@A-Ron Only if you get the chemtrails and Chemicals in the water dlc it allows you to do far more and for only 14.88$ its a fair price
Arch, I am appelled, at 10:27 it´s clearly a Ceastus firing its Magna-Melta, you can even see the outline of the cockpit and the engines from behind.
It might have been a normal boarding torpedo, since both boarding torpedos and normal torpedos can have melta warheads.
That is true, but the configuration of the beams, one in the middle, 2 lower one the sides fits with the Ceastus hardpoints.
Watch The Horus Heresy fan Film Death of Hope.
Actually didn't know about that one thanks for the comment.
Can never have too much horus heresy content.
@@VioletDeathRei the first actual episode is due out early this year
I like the graphics of "Death of Hope" much better, and I thought it portrayed Astartes vs. Astartes combat very well. But this story shows Astartes tactics against a human foe perfectly.
Space marine : bother is it raining in here ?
Other space marine : why you ask bother?
Frist space marine : I hear water drops peeging off my armour !
Second space marine: takes second to listen ,: why , yes bother , I think it is raining in this space ship !
Drop-pods are the Astartes result of looking at a planet and going "Can we fire a boarding torpedo at that?"
Their primary capacity surpassing the Thunder Warriors is ship to ship combat.
That last chapter was erection inducing.
Maehedrose That plasma shot holy shit
Hey Sargon what’s the news on that crusade documentary you were making? I know it’s probably a big project but any updates?
He had a vision from the Emeperor, he is changing it to a Great Crusade documentary.
Someone let @The Thinkery know part 4 is out
13:50 Sargon has post-human dread.
@23:54 "it might be that the Heresy is just, or something..."
Heresy? Just? *racks back the slide of boltpistol*
Blood for the blood God. Skulls for the skull throne
Suffer not the heretic to live, cleanse them with the holy bolter shell, all flesh is weak, Ferrus Manus will be avenged.
@@joermundgand Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!
@@VioletDeathRei With sacred ointments and the proper rites of the machine spirit observed the armour of the angels of death will be bolstered with the shield of faith.
I agree.
@@ezekyleabbadon9555 Filthy traitor, you cannot harm the Imperial truth for thine arms are feeble and prone to become dislodged by the slightest blows.
44:00 You guys: "The Marines are not scared"
Me: Don't you mean "They know no fear"?
Autoguns are not "rag tag" weapons. The imperial guard and imperial navy use autoguns. And they are roughly comparable in damage and performance to lasguns. At least according to the lore.
It's just that GW haven't been arsed to make a lot of imperial guard figures sporting autoguns rather than lasguns.
Also another thing, the fact that the crew has advanced gear: the very fact that they have a ship to begin with should tell you something. Most normal imperial citizens hardly even know that interstellar travel is possible. So if you've got access to void faring vessels, then you're well-connected and probably well financed too.
It's not that out of the ordinary that certain rebel forces and heretics also have significant financial backing. In fact they probably have to be wealthy in order to pull of a real rebellion to begin with.
In damage yes, at a Lasgun's BASE power level.
In performance? No.
A Lasgun cannot jam and at a base level has 200 shots per charge pack.
Autoguns are used mainly by PDF forces and rarely by Guard forces on worlds with limited forges
@@bengrogan9710: A lasgun can definitely malfunction. It requires maintenance and service just like any weapon.
And I've got the Imperial Infantrymans Uplifring Primer going through the steps of how to maintain a lasgun in the field so. :P
@@sevenproxies4255 in the lore the lasgun is easier to maintian and breaks less often compared to autoguns due to far fewer moveing parts.
in adition the siege of vraks talks about autoguns and says the ones that have the same power are high claiber guns and thus are very inaccurate at all but the closest ranges. so the autogun is more dificult to maintain, it has a smaller magazine, as much more requoil and mussel climb, and in adition to get the same power you need to use large caliber rounds (which are basically hinted at being around .458 caliber rounds like thisen.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum). all in all it is a worse gun especially when you factor in how easy it is too resupply a lasgun (leave its power packs in the sun to recharge or plug it into a chimera or generator or even just plop it next to a fire) makes it the prefured weapon for most imperial guard regiments. GW has released kits useing autoguns the genestealer cults and forgeworlds renagade militia.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Lasguns are not "easier" to resupply on account of the fact that the power packs are more expensive and more difficult to manufacture than solid slugs.
Practically every world in the imperium produces chemical propellant ammunition of some kind. The production of Departmento Munitorum Sanctioned Power Packs however is limited to far fewer worlds.
The powerpacks themselves have a limited lifespan as well. You can't recharge and fire them an infinite amount of times since they will degrade.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Autogun
"Cheap and easy to produce on even the low-tech planets, autoguns are a staple weapon across the Imperium. Durable, rugged and easily stocked with readily available ammunition, these weapons are a common sight especially in the rougher parts of the galaxy.[4] The simple technology needed to manufacture autoguns makes them common on frontier worlds and also with gang members on Hive Worlds. Autoguns are not as common as the lasgun amongst Imperial Guard regiments, *but they are still issued in substantial numbers* , especially by second or third line planetary defence forces or militias.[7]"
Also regarding the lasguns reliability, let me quote my Imperial Infantrymans Uplifting Primer (Damocles Gulf Edition) page 21, section V:
"You must ensure that your lasgun is operational at all times! The best way to bestow a long and useful life on your weapon is to keep it clean and oiled. This is an easy thing to achieve, given the simplicity of the lasgun's construction. Make it a habit to clean your gun at least once a day. Then you can be sure you are administering at least the minimum amount of proper care.
Run a fresh oil cloth over the body and exposed working parts. Ensure the mechanics are well lubricated. Apply a thin coating of sacred unguent with the blessed swab cloth. Then, with a dry cloth, wipe away any excess oil and dirt from the body.
Eject the power pack and pull back the cover of the ignition chamber. Clean the ignition rings thoroughly (if these are soiled, the gun will not fire reliably) and check for any blockages. Replace power cell and check firing mechanism.
Remember to recite the litany of cleanliness and Litany of Unjamming (refer to Emperor's Benedictions) during this procedure to make sure that the weapon is clean, in spirit and in body, and will not fail when you ask for it's service.
If a problem occurs that is beyond your skill to rectify, report the fault immediately to the armourer or techseers so a proper overhaul, with the correct litanies and incantations, can be prescribed to the ailing machine. Do not try to remedy such a problem yourself. The spirit of the lasgun must be respected. In the interim, a new weapon will be issued to you. A Guardsman without his rifle is useless to the Emperor. Ensure it's wellbeing in the same way as you do your own. Your life depends on it."
In other words, barring the superstitious litanies and incantations involved, regular daily maintenance is required and not dissimilar to the daily maintenance that a real world soldier would do with a smokeless powder based weapon. And remember, the uplifting primer is a piece of grossly optimistic propaganda (for instance when describing Orks and Eldar in the enemy section, they describe Orks as "weak" and frail, and the Eldar technology is decribed as inferior and unsophisticated), so various weaknesses and inferiorities in the lasgun would not be published, due to the innate heresy of it.
Aside from that, lasguns burn their targets and cauterize the wounds. Autoguns however do not burn their targets but penetrate them, causing bleeding, which adds a lethal element to them which the lasgun does not possess.
Also, in The Last Chancers, Kage talks to a Steel Legion trooper positioned in a warfront against Orks. And he says that they prefer autoguns over lasguns against the Orks, because Orks respect loud noises and associate it with power, influencing their decision making and behaviour when going up against humans armed with autoguns. They do not however respect the relatively quiet whip-crack noise that lasguns make when fired.
And as most people who know something about Orks in 40K would know: if you can do ANYTHING to make them hesitate charging into close combat, then you do it. Because as soon as they are in melee, the fight becomes a nightmare.
Aside from that, looking at the in-game rules: the profile stats for autoguns and lasguns have been identical for most of the time. And looking at more detailed rules sets (like the game Inquisitor, Necromunda and the Warhammer 40.000 Roleplaying game rules) there's a wide variety of stub guns and autoguns as well as lasguns of different quality, damage and penetrative capabilities. Picking from those lists, you can easily pick an autogun that is just plain better than the "standard issue" lasguns that many Imperial Guard (but not all) regiments prefer to use.
So the claim that "all in all it's a worse gun" is incorrect. The claim that the lasgun supposedly is "easier to resupply" is also incorrect, since only a limited number of forge worlds make them and their powerpacks, whereas practically every hive world in the imperium, and even low-tech worlds (barring the most extremely primitive death worlds) manufacture their own stub guns and auto guns of some sort.
@@sevenproxies4255 without going into a wall of text.
1st. Daily maintainence is not necessary required, it is just recommended practice - this keeps guardsmen from having idle hands.
Autoguns however suffer the same risk s that exist in modern firearms - dud rounds, stovepipes, double feeds etc
2nd. Resupply is easier, an infantryman has a power pack issued for the campaign that has almoat infinate ways to recharge even when blocaded with no hope of logistical resupply as opposed to needing replacement magazines in real terms after every combat engagement.
3rd. Specialised autoguns variants do not indicate parity with standard Lasgun's as you have sacrificed the simplicity that is required for good standard issue weapons.
4th. The point on Orks is valid but a negative in any other engagement.
5th. You mention the idea that bleeding from an auto gun adds a different lethality vector, either you intentionally ignore or don't know the other lethality vector a weapon like a Lasgun has.
If it has enough power to flashburn and cauterise it is nigh guaranteed to be able to boil blood inside the body at the impact point for severe risk of embalisms.
No clue if you guys correct yourself. But the ship shown at the beginning? Not a strike cruiser. It's a "Cobra class Escort". Basically the smallest support ship in the imperial navy. Potentially uparmored for astrates use and a little renamed but I would have to check the rulebook again.
I have to say that I admire the simple fact that the heretics had a *really* hard time with killing any of the astartes. Watching old 40k BatReps with space marine units, and you get the sense that they're still essentially cannon fodder in shiny armor. Lore-wise this simply isn't case case, as evidenced by just a handful of them tearing apart a squad of traitor guard eith support AP units.
Way better than ultrasmurfs the movie.
Not hard to accomplish. Can't believe Dan Abnett screwed up the lore in that movie.
I guess everybody fumbles. At least it wasn't C.S. Goto.
@@shanweeboy Eh, I think Abnett did equally so in Ultramarines. The entire setup to the movie didn't make any sense. The initiates had apparently never been in combat, even though when a Codex chapter (the fucking chapter that first adopted the Codex!) would require them to serve in the scout company for years before hand.
I'd like to think someone put a gun to Dan's head and forced him to butcher the lore to the Warp and back - I can't believe an accomplished Warhammer 40k writer could screw up the lore so badly under normal circumstances.