Why I don't Cross Strap My Trailer Tie Down
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video I'll show you why I don't cross strap my trailer tie down, not just with words but with an actual example. I'll show you what happens when a tie down strap breaks in a cross strap example and then in a straight strap example. You can then choose for yourself how you want to tie down when towing a car, truck or jeep!
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People have argued with me for years and ask why I don't cross-chain or cross-strap. Thank you for a very well-thought demonstration.
He also pointed out an excellent reason not to use those cheap quick-hooks at 6:30 I would recommend if you have any lying around the shop or on towing and recovery vehicles that you have them removed from those areas and send them to a recycling or disposal facility. They are most definitely not safe to use in a towing or recovery situation, in my opinion.
@@DarkVoidIII ''Fine for securing Cargo'', Ron secures a lot of cargo after wrecks!
The closed hook style would not work for securing a shifted or insecure load to a flat deck trailer where the hook is simply latched into the frame rail. This is why his Truck has every kind of strap going on it, You never know what will work until you get there.
If that is what they are doing you should tell them that they should try x-strapping the right way because that's not it. A X-strap is called that because all 4 points of the strap go to the 'trailer' in this case and the load is positioned at the center.
I did quite enjoy Matts demonstration of why you don't improperly secure a load without understanding the physics of where the tension is going.
Though I think a bit of it is still not clicking, like when he cut the toy free and the suspension unloaded because the straps were pulling the control arms straight and thereby compressing suspension. This also happens on real Jeeps and is why even when 'straight' the mount points get un nessicary abuse this way. When used without proper angle to the load the amount of tension needed to create downforce is dramatically increased and constant tension combined with suspension cycling causes strap/mount fatigue.
@Ron Pratt. Just recently came across your video on fb and came here i do have a question, why not use tire strapping like car haul trailers do when delivering cars to the dealership or other purposely built car trailers as that would be the true safest way to secure a vehicle to a trailer?
When they should be asking themselves why THEY cross strap... ignorance is bliss..
Ron Pratt gives you a big ✔ so in my book that's one hellova endorsement. Great video.
Your demonstration says it all to me. Never understood why people say you have to cross strop the jeeps.
It comes from the military they are crossed for cargo in the airplanes and they are chains not straps
Dot regs say you will
he did it all wrong, not ONCE did he grab a tightened strap and give it a shake and say " That aint going no where" haha
@@warrenmichael918 Seemingly, that technique is as good as two more straps, especially if you're "not going far anyway".👍😁
I don't own a trailer OR a jeep, but I still found this video to be compelling, informative, and well-presented. Thanks!
Clearly explained! I have always cross strapped my vehicles. You have changed my mind! That is why your channel is great! Always full of good and fun information!
Best way is to use chains and cross.
Great video Matt.
I am late to the party.
When I was kid on the farm my dad told me to always use a minimum of 4 separate tie downs when hauling equipment and more if you need. He also said never cross them in an X pattern as the X can act as a pivot point and like you said if one comes lose the load can shift and can come off.
Well one day I was lazy and used just 2 chain, one across the front and one across the back of a set of disc. As I rounded a corner the back chain broke, and you know what happened.
After telling my dad what I did and we had a very very long talk. From that point on I always had a minimum of 4 separate tie downs one in each corner and more if needed.
That was the last time I ever lost a load.
Thanks for the watch and comment. Losing a strap is a real bummer!
You are 100% Right because I cross my straps and it started tearing in the middle and I lost the strap great video keep up the good work
I've always cross strapped. But you make very valid points. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways!
I've forged some heavy duty hardware for stock trailers and car haulers. Your geometry is correct. Your observation regarding metal stresses opposed to their function is also spot on.
I feel fortunate that I’ve NEVER had the headache of having a conversation with ANYONE that have tried to convince me I should be cross strapping my Jeep or blazer. Great job on the demonstration why that is not a good idea. Keep up the great videos and have fun wheelin!
Thank you, I strap straight and I’ve had people tell me I’m doing it wrong. I always thought the load would be pulled sideways if a strap broke 👍🏻
Probably one of the most underrated videos on TH-cam! Glad you are educating people.
Well I learned something today! Now to get a trailer and a jeep to haul on it 😂
I first watched your video about a year or so back and well to be honest I was always a cross strap type of guy but your video made it fool proof. Thanks to this video… I changed the way I tie down. Well wouldn’t you know it… I’ve put thousands of miles pulling numerous amounts of vehicles had NEVER had anything happen. That is until about 2 months ago. What was supposed to be the sure fire best way to tie down a car… wasn’t so sure after all. I broke a cold link on a grade 70 1/2” heat treated chain while hauling two top sportsman cars to a points meet in Baytown. Never in a million years would I have dreamed of that being the fault point. Thankfully the car indeed did stay fairly still. It was on the upper deck of my hauler. That would have been catastrophic had I not altered the way I tie my cars. I feel like I owe a huge thank you to you buddy. Preciate your video. People… if you watch this video and continue or choose to tie down against what your eyes are seeing … don’t be foolish. It’s true. Thanks again bud god bless
I've cross strapped for many years....you've just convinced me to "go straight" !
Great explanation Matt! I've seen a lot of shady car hauling over the years. And you are absolutely right.
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In this video I'll show you why I don't cross strap my trailer tie down, not just with words but with an actual example. I'll show you what happens when a tie down strap breaks in a cross strap example and then in a straight strap example. You can then choose for yourself how you want to tie down when towing a car, truck or jeep!
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You just changed the way I’ll strap my Jeep from here on out
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Critics: Bro science
Matt: Facts and physics.
🤣 bro science
I never cross strap. For the reasons that you mentioned in the video. I also never use straps on the rear, I use two chains on the rear and pull the vehicle tight with straps on the front. I do this because I have seen trucks hauling a vehicle on a trailer and get into an accident, and that caused the rear straps to snap and the vehicle on the trailer ends up on or in the truck pulling it. So seeing that many times over the years of doing rotation calls for the police and highway patrol, I myself decided that using chains on the rear is best. I set my trailer up with chains the exact length needed so that I can pull my truck on and hook the two chains to each side of the rear axle, and then I pull my truck forward until the chains stop me, and then my truck is always in the same exact spot on the trailer, which is where I need it to be so that the load is perfectly placed. Then I use two straps on the front to pull it tight, and then a safety chain just in case something goes wrong with the two front straps, which I've never had happen. I've had one come a little lose sometimes, but never had an issue with both.
This is the best video on this subject I've seen so far.
This was a much better example than my learning experience, which depended on understanding spring lines on boats. Thanks for expanding my brainage.
Great video.. I'm convinced now on how to strap a vehicle properly now.
Part of my job as an Air Force Crew Chief, was helping to tie down equipment and vehicles. They always cross strapped the vehicles, but also used multiple straps to secure the load. We used 10,000 pound straps, connected to 20,000 pound D rings. Vehicles would get eight straps, four to hold it, and four as backups. You don't want loads to come loose in flight.
I always cross strapped my trailer loads, but now have second thoughts.
Well it’s wrong🤷♂️Lol
Crossing is a no no
You always want to inspect your straps before each use too. For any cuts or abrasions.
The worst things happen after someone says, "we ain't going that far"
Haha, exactly, famous last words right along with a quick shake and a "that ain't goin no where"
Yep! 🤣 I once had to tow my race car just 2 miles. So just hooked up one front tiedown. Crossing some tracks it broke, car came off trailer. Fortunately I saw it in my mirror, jumped on the brakes, and only the rear wheels dropped off. Never used one tiedown again, even just to go around the block.
I hauled equipment and cars all over the USA for 20 years. You tie in an A not a V or cross tie!!
For basically the reasons we have seen here!! Excellent job!! A frame
Excellent demonstration! I realized that I was doing it wrong, thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
I ran a flat deck tow truck for years and have always ran the straps straight back and forward like you show in this vid. Good information!
Edit: wheel straps work the best tho.
Matt, Great video! I don’t cross strap but now I have a definitive answer for those that tell me too. I had a trucker that transported vehicles tell me not to cross strap in the past. He told me his insurance company wouldn’t cover vehicles on his trailer that were cross strapped. I just took his word for it and did it.
Good to know, never considered insurance
@@bleepinjeep He did it commercially so it may be different.
Well done! I learned something today.
Perfect demo.
Best Jeep content on the inter webs. Matt should be at 1 million subs already.
The first thing I learned about pulling my jeep is to NEVER STRAP SPRUNG WEIGHT, always strap to unsprung weight. As you bounce down the road the suspension will travel and cause the straps to be loose.
Wise words but all vehicle weight has some spring via the tyres. It one or more looses pressure you have a problem.
I have been cross strapping for 20 some odd years now with no problems, however your demo was pretty good and will be straight strapping now. Thanks!
No worries thanks for watching
@@bleepinjeep Thanks for the lesson and explanation.
I hauled cars for a living on a 4 place hauler and you're absolutely correct.
I like to use snubbing binders when I bind down rubber tired equipment. Snubbing binders have a spring in them that takes up the slack as tires flex going down the road. I have had ratchet and cam binders loosen way up or just pop open hauling backhoes. I use snubbing binders when I haul jeeps too. I agree with you on cross binding.
When the load takes up lots of the trailer and you have to bind down between the wheels, cross binding is pretty much the only option though.
Great demonstration! Also you mentioned manufacturer recommendations! More people should read them.
An old, heavy haul trucker I know says cross strapping is typically only used for loads wider then the trailer, ie excavators and stuff. Great video as usual.
Hmmm, good point!
Great tutorial! I'm smarter now and more than convinced
This is exactly why I use the "Belt and Suspender" methode. I cross strap to keep the patrolmen, sheriff deputies and local police happy and "Straight Strap" for safety! Two sets of Mac's straps! My old friend Ben Franklin once said, “An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.” Great video Matt!
Nice quote 😁
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I like over the tire straps when available
Another great demonstration and explanation. Good job. 👍
Great video. 50 years strapping same way.
That’s some good information. Personally I say add more straps. Straight and cross then your covered
Thats how we do it in the airplanes (C-17a loadmaster). His logic is correct but only providing restraint in one direction rather multi direction.
Matt you have changed my mind.
You have a lot to learn young man
I have to say, this is giving me something to think about.
I always go front to back in the front, criss cross in the rear. Good demo, got me thinking
i just had to link your video in response to a bunch of comments on other videos of people saying how great crossing the straps are.
I will test these tips on my next home invasion.
best video about straping
I use 6 straps. 4 for axles and 2 for the front and rear suspension. Stops body roll for the bumpy roads in Alaska
Wait. An Alaskan that doesn't daily their 4x4?
Cheers from Michigan, Alaska's little cousin.
Are you sure you haven’t had some experience with loading aircrafts lol
I don’t know where “cross strapping” started. But cross chaining is from ramp truck operators (tow truck drivers) put your car on the ramp and we attract our cluster to factory tow holes put in place from your car manufacturer. They are above the suspension. We will cross either the front or the back and pull straight on the other side to compress the suspension evenly keep it from moving on a slippery ramp. These days we most certainly use tire straps. When it’s available.
Chains and binders are superior. Also weld your d rings so they face the directions you choose to pull
Tried it. She wasn't happy.
Straps are perfectly acceptable for cars and pickups. Pay attention to how 18 wheeler car hauler secure the vehicles they haul. 99% of the time it will be with straps. Chains have their places, but so do straps
@@lightninsadventures2692 I worked around car haulers. The cheap drivers used straps but the nicer trailers all ran a chain. They hook to the bottom of the frame just like how a roll back hooks you up.
@@brianluck84 j hooks are great for cars and stock trucks, but my TDK jeep frame has no accomodations for J hooks. I used to cross strap loads, but I'm convinced that for my Jeep, I'm going to go straight strapped from now on! Another point between straps and chain binders (I have both) is to consider duty cycle - commercial car haulers hopefully have a load traveling each direction, everyday every year. I wish I had the kind of time off from work so I would have to necessitate using chain binders instead of wearing out the straps I go with! Another good thing to think of - I always keep a set of J hooks and a bridle in the back of my Jeep or TR4 because when somebody gets stuck and I have to give them a yank, the last thing I want to do is have to try to do it off of cargo tie down! Surefire way too wreck a grille, hood or windshield!
@@lightninsadventures2692 car haulers sir, have generally started to switch to tire straps. Which in my opinion is the best way to secure a light truck or car. You can't even pick up a new volkswagen if you are running a chain setup. They don't want their suspension systems being collapsed.
Done a lot of heavy equipment hauling and we always cross chain. We never cross strap. They don’t have the break strength or fail resistance for the weight we haul. A lot of times with equipment you don’t have the space to straight chain, plus as someone already made mention your resisting multiple forces at our weight of operation, it matters a lot.
On a friend's trailer, he has it set up for 3 ways of strapping an auto load. Over tire strapping using tire straps, 4 point straight strapping and v strapping. Similar to cross strapping at 2 points to the vehicle and 1 point to the trailer. He uses the v strapping method in conjunction to straight or tire strapping as a back up only.
Up to an F550 I use double tire straps anything bigger than that I use cross chains to prevent body roll on a 20 or 30,000 pound truck or machinery 40-50000lbs on wheels gets 6to8 3/8 chains crossed or otherwise.
Excellent how too video sir knocked it out of the park as always 👍🏻👍🏻
When I get a trailer i plan on using 4 straight straps like Matt shows plus 2 on the frame going straight out to each side of the trailer.
Use chain with chain binders not Chinese made crap straps.
Great video,,, I did the frame tie down twice and 100% I had at least one strap break from the suspension bouncing back up and pop 😀 now I use axle straps around axles on one end and through the rims on the other end works great for me
Makes a lot of sense. Just learned something new
So much better than your original “how to tie a rig down” video lol. People recommend cross straps because it does hold a load better than straight strap. Cut like you displayed, if a cross strap fails your done. No safety net like straight strap.
Great information and well presented.
Excellent! I am a believer.
Regarding short trailers, it is possible and sometimes practical to secure the front axle to the rear and rear axle to the front. Basically crossing the straps front to rear. I have used that method before.
Great video. Full of good solid information. I salute you.
The only crossing I do is the breakaway chains to the trailer, but I also know many people who do not. Good illustrating of breakage consequences.
Hey matt.. one thing i think you should have covered is placement of the ratchet mechanism. I see you have it on the vehicle side. I was taught always have it on trailer side.
Great video. I've seen this and I will agree with u on the whole thing. Many people need to see this video.
I agree Matt....nice little trailer!😂...stay safe my jeeping friend!🚙🚙....happy trails to you!💜💕
Thanks 👍
Great video. Great visuals and explanation. Very well done all around.
I have arrive to many times to my destination only to find a strap just laying on the trailer floor. I will be on the look out for this positive lock hooks
ya, they certainly give you a better peace of mind!
Lost one coming down the curvy mountain pass out of Big Bear, CA. I would have been dead off the side of the mountain with cross straps!
Thats a nasty hill!!
@@brandonq6373
The Grapevine ?
Another good video. I agree with this. Straight straps seem superior than cross strapping. Although chain and binders are preferred, straps can be more than sufficient for cars like this. Chains probably aren't truly necessary until you are moving equipment (tractors etc).
Love the visual aid of the toys
Straps with chain anchors work very well.
I'm a truck driver and every load is different I always have what the law is plus some extra straps.
Bingo
Wow! Great Video! Learn something every day!
Nice demo, I have seen people pulling trallers full of atv's down the road with no straps on any of them, well you can imagine what happened, atv's bounce and roll quite a bit at 70 + mph.
great training. I also like how you put vehicle over axles
If you close your eyes and listen you can get some really good info from Mr Rogers! 🤣🤣🤣
Great video though!
In the military we crossed strapped most cargo, I remember doing the smaller lifts in an x underneath but that was chains they didn’t cross they went x one side and x on the other side. I’m not sure if it was better or not but that’s what I was told to do.
I attended and passed load master school. They are crossed to get lateral hold as well. It works with chains
Great video ,I been doing it wrong so thanks.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks!
I can't argue against your points and the demonstrations made clear sense. I'll admit I was wrong
Great advice Matt! Now I’m no expert but I do a lot of hauling of vehicles and cargo and I’ve never lost anything due to a strap failing or coming loose. I absolutely agree you should never cross strap when it comes to vehicles. With cargo it really depends. Sometimes cross strapping is safer sometimes it’s not, it really depends what your strapping down. The main thing is say you have two straps holding down an object, you want to strap it down in a way that if one strap breaks or comes loose that the other will continue to secure your cargo to your trailer or truck bed or wherever it’s strapped down. If it’s a crate we’re talking about both straight or cross strapping are probably fine. (As long as it’s a normal square/rectangle crate lol..) However if it’s an odd shaped object where you can only get one strap straight over one side in a good location and the other is just there more or less for sh*ts & giggles then your better off cross strapping so both can hold the object down on there own without the other strap present.
cool advice thanks!
There’s three types of motion that a vehicle faces on a trailer; forward/Aft, laterally, and Verticality. By crossing straps or chains you can receive restraint in all three categories of directions. The way you’re showing one gives you restraint in forward/Aft and vertical, but nothing laterally. Also I’d recommend grabbing no less then 50% of the vehicles restraint from the body/frame. It provides a more stable platform for the trailer. If you want I have a loading manual that I use to load aircraft if you care to see the science behind it. Ride safe and maybe we’ll cross trails some time!
I would tend to agree its not as strong laterally but to say there is nothing is certainly proven wong by the demo otherwise it would have slid off. Gotta remember the strap is also at an upward angle from the deck to the axle.
All you would have to do is secure closer to the edge of the trailer sides and that would take care of any lateral movement.
Unless the strap can move, or stretch significantly, there's no chance for lateral movement. Even when they do stretch, they have to get very loose, *plus* have significant lateral force to get a tire to go sideways. With enough lateral force to cause a problem, you've got other, much bigger concerns.
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!! You sir are the only person I have seen that have the proper procedures for securement. I sold have known it would take the aviation industry to create a manual with instructions and the reasoning. You should send him a copy of Tha manual for Sure.
@@KC9UDX Yup. And even with muddy tires on a wet trailer, getting big, wide, aired down mudders to slip sideways takes ALOT of force!
Ride safe man!
I relie on gravity and my smooth driving.
Kidding.
Look out another billy big rigger
Thank you Matt, for the information if I ever get a trailer for my vehicle I will put this use. 😎👍
As a mechanical engineer I think you are definitely right on.
It all depends on the situation. Your milage may vary.
I don't trailer, but it's easy to see if one comes loose the other is now way too long....so you've really lost both! Well really all 4 because now they're loose too!
Great video.
Fingers crossed!
Really good video and explanation 👌
That's why I use chain and binder's. Cross the rear and pull from the outside front axle to the same side outside trailer. And sucking the suspension down helps with body roll.
I will never cross strap again for sure. What do u think about running straps through the rims if u don’t have any solid hook points?
Good info another video candy bar.
What I got out if this is I need to add the strap attachment looks you have on your axle. That looks fantastic.
Ford rangers have them stock in the front
How could anyone give a thumbs down to this video.
Don't cross the streams!
Id have to disagree matt, although using straight straps is probably OK on car/truck/jeep, cross strapping whenever possible provides much better load securement from all directions, where as straight straps have no side to side securement. 9 times out of 10 you should have no issues with the jeep sliding side to side on the trailer with rubber tires on wood/steel deck. also straps breaking is 99% of the time failed pretrip inspection of your equipment. all tie downs should be properly checked to be in good condition. they do not just "break". if they are breaking and in good condition that means your straps are not heavy enough for the application.
This is correct--look at loadmaster and aircraft cargo strapping techniques.
Absolutely correct!!!!
Great job Matt!
Yes all that correct. An extra chain on center to pull it down is good as well straps maybe break they don't got any flexibility . Like the safety you got on your trailer.