Ur gonna cut and or fray the strap going thru rim. Ask me i know. You need to put lasso on front tires pulling slightly foward AND straps on back tires pulling slightly backward. Simple Nd effective
@@SierraADV that's the point and that's why he said Do not do it the straight down method that Vulcan recommends. Did you watch the vid.. he said do not do it that way
You can do the same thing with the lasso over the tire but hook the hook slightly forward and backward. I haul two jeeps on a 30’ trailer with about 3 inches between them and have never had them touch. Don’t have straps crossing/rubbing. Doing it this way gives you better leverage over the top of the tire than going through the wheel. Both work but I don’t have to undo the lasso. Just loosen and flip it off the tire. Goes in the bag that way and right back on when it’s time to go.
What are the front wheel straps attached to on the trailer? I can see where they run under the plate for the Jack but where are they hooks attached? Awesome video!!!!!!
I just put d rings in the front and rear of each tire then put a ratchet strap over the centre of the tire hooked to both drings then tighten it down . I’ve never had a problem doing it that way
Great video. i agree that's the better way to use them instead of 10 & 2. i wouldn't agree on loading trailer, but the title is "using lasso straps the right way". not sure why every1 else is complaining about it. lol
Yep. If you strap to a point on the tire either above the axle bearing center point or below, it can move. Best way is to find the tire place to anchor to that is where the strap is pointing from the trailer anchor point to the center of the wheel bearing point. That way it is the shortest pull and cannot roll up or down. Great video. Like your machines.
I have a question. I don’t know if some people do it, but would it be a problem if people use their heavy duty pintle ring trailers (the construction ones) to haul regular vehicles?
This through the rim method would not work well for wheels that are encrusted with ice and mud. I think the manufacturers recommended 10 and 2 method would work much better if the ratchets were not pointed straight down but rather a little forward of center on the front tires and a little back of center on the rear tires.
I mounted D hooks along the centre line of the trailer and use my winch front and back to anchor the unit down and then strap side to side. I do this in Neutral and then pop it in gear and put on the emergency brake on my Defender. I like those straps…..pricey……I use similar, but they are an X pattern to the undercarriage.
This IS the way to do it for sure. But then some of us have those 'clunky' four wheelers with the steel wheels with no holes to run the strap through the rim...
The straps should go over the tires at 10 and 2 and pull away from or towards each other. Also, I would bet that trailer wiggles while towing with all the weight to the rear.
Yes that would work as well. The point is that the way they recommend using them is not safe. And no the trailer does not sway at all, that F150 is always loaded down with fire wood, coolers, camping gear, extra gas cans, ect.
@@mudbanditoffroad6643 you should still always have some positive tongue weight... never negative. You don't need or want a ton of tongue weight, but always some for sure.. it's not about how much weight you have In the truck.. make sure tongue weight is positive
@@CP-ux9zd The 700 lb quad on the nose of the trailer more than makes up for it. Being that far out has a lever effect. The rear of the sxs (even with the engine) does not come close to weighing the same as the quad in the front plus the full weight of the longer trailer frame in the front half.
I would agree and disagree. 1- Tongue weight is very light for the way you loaded, (Rubicon 800lbs/ Talon 1800lbs) you have more weight on the back axle, that's why it pulls like its absorbing and you probably get a lot of sway. I only say that because I pulled with a 2016 F-150 Coyote and had the same set up (KRX 1000/ H.O.450). Now, I have a 2020 F-350 Dually, longer 20' trailer, 60/40 weight (Primary front) and have to remind myself that I am pulling a trailer it's so smooth.
pulling the suspension down is the ultimate way to get rid of sprung weight. Good thing these machines don't weigh a buck o- five compared to the width of the trailer. Sprung weight will move around and cause havoc during hard breaking ect. People causing their own problems during crashing of hauling trailers.
To be fair . The over the top works if used in opposition like your threw wheel does . In a hard breaking point . Your only holding by 2 axels . I understand that more for short trips on known roads . Double up if not.
Once the vehicle is in park and there’s straps on all 4 tires (front slightly forward and rear slightly back) there isn’t an movement forward to back. Of course it will move a bit when it’s in gear…
You know what your flexing when you tie down to the wheels, your bearings and tie rods, the knuckle, its tough on all your steering components. You suspension can handle a light load for a couple hour drive with 0 issue, A-arms are great, factory tied down points that they ship the unit with is best. I mean, they are shipped FULLY compressed almost.
U should be going around both lower sides of the pocket and hook on one top side of it. Now it has to break 2 welds not just one weld hooked on one side of pocket. Get the right DOT officer and he'll make u change it or ticket
Wow dude those straps are not desinged to work the way you are showing. The truth is they are desinged to pull directly downward. ON A VEHICHLE SITTING IN WHEEL GRIDS . PEOPLE
I strap my ATV down through the wheels just like you are showing. You should leave it in neutral when towing. If you look in your owners manual it will tell you not to tow machine in park.
I just think this is silly. Commercial car haulers use this type of lasso strap and never have a bit of movement. Yes, using ONE strap you're gonna get movement. It would be that way if be only used 1 through the wheel as well. Also keep in mind if you have beadlocks, the inside edge might be sharp. You'll need to protect that strap from rubbing/cutting. Anyone can secure their machine through the wheel with traditional 1.5" ratchet straps and not have to go spend extra money on an. Expensive securement system
From what I have seen, wrecker companies use lasso straps just like shown in the first part of the video BUT the straps connect behind and In front of each tire that way it cannot roll at all.
I would never use Tire straps never never I've seen too many of them on the interstate that are dragging the ground the ATVs cars whatever when they're bouncing around those straps get loose and eventually comeoff these things are definitely a No-No
Yes I have park, after it is securely strapped down, I put it in park. There is no emergency brake on the Talon's. I rely on the straps to hold the machine in place, not the transmission!
@@mudbanditoffroad6643 the dealership should tell you don’t use park every dealership I’ve been to told me that they say it will stretch the park line out and mess it up
@@THETRUTH-ld2mh the parking pawl in the transmission will het damaged. Cables are not in any threat to doing this. Been in many SXS transmissions for failures due to this.
So... you think you are smarter than the DOT approved tow companies that use lassos appropriately, by running them over the tires and pulling forward and rearward, not straight down. This is dumb.
definitely not . My trailer I installed E-Track that mounts on the wood or frame and I roll over my Honda Pioneer on to than I ratchet up to the tires 🛞 doesn’t move at all
Ur gonna cut and or fray the strap going thru rim. Ask me i know. You need to put lasso on front tires pulling slightly foward AND straps on back tires pulling slightly backward. Simple Nd effective
Nice method. I use tire basket straps, with E track. Solid, doesn't move a bit. I like your method as well, looks efficient and safe
Thanks for the comment!
Excellent Video - very thorough! Uses logic and common sense
Very well demonstrated. I will be doing it this way.
Great Video, Very helpful--thanks for posting!
Need the straps pulling forward and backwards
It is..
@@TylerCook-tj4zb no, it's pulling straight down and you clearly didn't tighten them much at all.
You need to be smarter than the tool...
@@SierraADV that's the point and that's why he said Do not do it the straight down method that Vulcan recommends. Did you watch the vid.. he said do not do it that way
@@CP-ux9zdyes but the way he did it the first time was totally wrong and not how the straps are meant to be used.
@@SierraADVpicture an emergency stop einstien
Y’all do it just like I do. SXS never moves at all. Happy wheeling to Ya.
You can do the same thing with the lasso over the tire but hook the hook slightly forward and backward. I haul two jeeps on a 30’ trailer with about 3 inches between them and have never had them touch. Don’t have straps crossing/rubbing. Doing it this way gives you better leverage over the top of the tire than going through the wheel. Both work but I don’t have to undo the lasso. Just loosen and flip it off the tire. Goes in the bag that way and right back on when it’s time to go.
That’s how I do it too
What are the front wheel straps attached to on the trailer? I can see where they run under the plate for the Jack but where are they hooks attached? Awesome video!!!!!!
They wrap around that heave angle iron and hook
I had the same question and wish the video showed it. Do you have a video that shows it?@@mudbanditoffroad6643
How come tow trucks been successfully using the tire tiedown method forever? Does your machine not have a parking pawl?
Good stuff....best way I think to haul
Are them 2" straps?
Yes they are
That really is the best way. I haul dang near every thing that way on rubber
The lasso straps I have say to have the tie downs tied 2-6” in front of the fronts or 2-6” behind the rears. And mine can’t go through the rims.
I just put d rings in the front and rear of each tire then put a ratchet strap over the centre of the tire hooked to both drings then tighten it down . I’ve never had a problem doing it that way
I agree. Great video!
Great video. i agree that's the better way to use them instead of 10 & 2. i wouldn't agree on loading trailer, but the title is "using lasso straps the right way". not sure why every1 else is complaining about it. lol
Great video, thanks
Yep. If you strap to a point on the tire either above the axle bearing center point or below, it can move. Best way is to find the tire place to anchor to that is where the strap is pointing from the trailer anchor point to the center of the wheel bearing point. That way it is the shortest pull and cannot roll up or down. Great video. Like your machines.
What is the length of that trailer? I have the same set up and need the same trailer
I have a question. I don’t know if some people do it, but would it be a problem if people use their heavy duty pintle ring trailers (the construction ones) to haul regular vehicles?
Shouldn’t be an issue.
So if you leave it in neutral do you use the E-Brake as well?
Damn wish i had wat ched this last week. Could not figure out why my damn buggy kept moving. Will try this method out next week.
This through the rim method would not work well for wheels that are encrusted with ice and mud. I think the manufacturers recommended 10 and 2 method would work much better if the ratchets were not pointed straight down but rather a little forward of center on the front tires and a little back of center on the rear tires.
off topic, any videos of the front bumper/winch build
I will have that video out soon, thanks!
Looks legit..... in canada we don't strap nothing cause we expert
Lol, awesome!
What keeps your S × S from moving sideways??
Its strapped on all 4 corners, it can't move any direction.
Love the Talon and rubicon
Thanks brother!
I mounted D hooks along the centre line of the trailer and use my winch front and back to anchor the unit down and then strap side to side. I do this in Neutral and then pop it in gear and put on the emergency brake on my Defender. I like those straps…..pricey……I use similar, but they are an X pattern to the undercarriage.
Now what if your machine has stock rims without holes in them?
How long is your trailer?
i would just worry about long term tongue warping but you got the little one up front so it should be much of an issue.
Is that winch hooked to the front rack?😬
Yes it is. We ride deep water and mud, this keeps it high and dry for the most part. It's for self recovery only!
I used to go through my rims but they were cutting the strap when hauling.
This IS the way to do it for sure. But then some of us have those 'clunky' four wheelers with the steel wheels with no holes to run the strap through the rim...
How ling is that trailer?
The straps should go over the tires at 10 and 2 and pull away from or towards each other. Also, I would bet that trailer wiggles while towing with all the weight to the rear.
Yes that would work as well. The point is that the way they recommend using them is not safe. And no the trailer does not sway at all, that F150 is always loaded down with fire wood, coolers, camping gear, extra gas cans, ect.
@@mudbanditoffroad6643 you should still always have some positive tongue weight... never negative. You don't need or want a ton of tongue weight, but always some for sure.. it's not about how much weight you have In the truck.. make sure tongue weight is positive
@@CP-ux9zd The 700 lb quad on the nose of the trailer more than makes up for it. Being that far out has a lever effect. The rear of the sxs (even with the engine) does not come close to weighing the same as the quad in the front plus the full weight of the longer trailer frame in the front half.
i literally just watched a video explaining this method of strapping and 1st thing i thought was i'd never strap like that.
When strapping down the atv,utv,car,truck,tractor etc, they must be tied down under f-r tension or compression. Thank you for the video
Many times the load is more secure with some tension on suspension too.
Don't ask me how I know.😅
Sharp edges on the rims could saw into the strap and cause failure. I wouldn't run them through the rim.
I thought the same thing. I do not do that. I use the large two inch straps on the a arms and go in a x pattern
I would agree and disagree. 1- Tongue weight is very light for the way you loaded, (Rubicon 800lbs/ Talon 1800lbs) you have more weight on the back axle, that's why it pulls like its absorbing and you probably get a lot of sway. I only say that because I pulled with a 2016 F-150 Coyote and had the same set up (KRX 1000/ H.O.450). Now, I have a 2020 F-350 Dually, longer 20' trailer, 60/40 weight (Primary front) and have to remind myself that I am pulling a trailer it's so smooth.
Not everyone wants the straps on there expensive aluminum wheels you can still go around the tire but pull the front forward and the back backwards
pulling the suspension down is the ultimate way to get rid of sprung weight. Good thing these machines don't weigh a buck o- five compared to the width of the trailer. Sprung weight will move around and cause havoc during hard breaking ect. People causing their own problems during crashing of hauling trailers.
To be fair . The over the top works if used in opposition like your threw wheel does .
In a hard breaking point . Your only holding by 2 axels . I understand that more for short trips on known roads . Double up if not.
Once the vehicle is in park and there’s straps on all 4 tires (front slightly forward and rear slightly back) there isn’t an movement forward to back. Of course it will move a bit when it’s in gear…
That strapping method is only made for strapping front wheels to a tow truck stinger
Those are wheel lift straps for tow trucks
You know what your flexing when you tie down to the wheels, your bearings and tie rods, the knuckle, its tough on all your steering components. You suspension can handle a light load for a couple hour drive with 0 issue, A-arms are great, factory tied down points that they ship the unit with is best. I mean, they are shipped FULLY compressed almost.
U should be going around both lower sides of the pocket and hook on one top side of it. Now it has to break 2 welds not just one weld hooked on one side of pocket. Get the right DOT officer and he'll make u change it or ticket
Or under one lower and other side upper if u go up thru the pocket. This way it has to break 2 welds in a accident or rough travels
Wow dude those straps are not desinged to work the way you are showing. The truth is they are desinged to pull directly downward. ON A VEHICHLE SITTING IN WHEEL GRIDS . PEOPLE
I strap my ATV down through the wheels just like you are showing. You should leave it in neutral when towing. If you look in your owners manual it will tell you not to tow machine in park.
You did it all wrong! And they don’t recommend only strapping two wheels!?!? 🤦🏼♂️
Tight? Your tires are not even squared, what psi are you running 120?
8 psi
It wont rock much in park with the parking brake on 😉
I always strap mine in gear not in neutral.
I put mine in neutral until all my straps are tight, then I put it in park.
I just think this is silly. Commercial car haulers use this type of lasso strap and never have a bit of movement. Yes, using ONE strap you're gonna get movement. It would be that way if be only used 1 through the wheel as well. Also keep in mind if you have beadlocks, the inside edge might be sharp. You'll need to protect that strap from rubbing/cutting. Anyone can secure their machine through the wheel with traditional 1.5" ratchet straps and not have to go spend extra money on an. Expensive securement system
From what I have seen, wrecker companies use lasso straps just like shown in the first part of the video BUT the straps connect behind and In front of each tire that way it cannot roll at all.
Ah supposed to secure all 4 tires. Your way the rim will ruin the strap.
It will be fine…..😂
A man can lose his load if not secured correctly. And it’s hilarious as long as it happens to someone else.
I would never use Tire straps never never I've seen too many of them on the interstate that are dragging the ground the ATVs cars whatever when they're bouncing around those straps get loose and eventually comeoff these things are definitely a No-No
I guess you don't have park
Yes I have park, after it is securely strapped down, I put it in park. There is no emergency brake on the Talon's. I rely on the straps to hold the machine in place, not the transmission!
@@mudbanditoffroad6643 the dealership should tell you don’t use park every dealership I’ve been to told me that they say it will stretch the park line out and mess it up
@@mudbanditoffroad6643 but thanks for the video gave me some new ideals
@@THETRUTH-ld2mh the parking pawl in the transmission will het damaged. Cables are not in any threat to doing this. Been in many SXS transmissions for failures due to this.
bad example imo, you only have straps on two front wheels and not all four. the same would happen if you did the same to the straps around the rim.
LMFAO you need to do the back too DUH
Not good to haul something in a bind where nothing can give
You do realize you’re supposed to put all vehicles in park or 1 gear with the hand or foot break. lol best video to not watch.
So... you think you are smarter than the DOT approved tow companies that use lassos appropriately, by running them over the tires and pulling forward and rearward, not straight down.
This is dumb.
U need 4 pts for that method to work
Well,now you're just using the Lasso straps like regular ratchet straps!
Forward not “Faward.”
definitely not . My trailer I installed E-Track that mounts on the wood or frame and I roll over my Honda Pioneer on to than I ratchet up to the tires 🛞 doesn’t move at all