How to unlock your range on the Trombone!
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- This video was requested by a commenter who asked for some advice to help his upper range. My simple answer to that question is to move your mouthpiece around. In this video I show what works for me to access the extremes of my range.
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Warning: Comments filled with people bragging about their range. Proceed with caution
Ryan Syafoek I can hit a double f on euphonium 🅱️
I like how this is the first comment i see
Can hit a triple E on clarinet. Oh shoot wrong category
@@AlgyCuber I can play C10 on piano ("fifth-fret" harmonic on the highest note)
I can play a Bb 3 on trombone BEAT THAT
I’m a beginner trombone and let me say this really does help, thank you man I appreciate it
#trombonegang
That thumbnail...
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... it scares me
Thicc
Piccolos be like
i was scrolling up trying to see the note
I‘m a beginner trombonist, self-taught so far, and this has helped me instantly! Gone from two octaves to three just today. Thank you so much!
I like the slide-o-mix on the table
Naw trombotine is the way to go.
+Nicholas Prickett No way
I really appreciate this video, and you putting yourself out there even for the imperfect notes on the extreme bottom and high ends. The honesty imparted adds credibility to you. The quality is high on the video and we can clearly see where you are adjusting. This was very helpful to me, thank you for taking the time to create this vid! !!!
When you change where you keep your mouth on the mouthpeice to get higher up its gonna be harder to be flexible, so if whatever you're playing only has notes in the higher register i guess this could be good.
Thanks for making this video in response to me, Trent!
I just started band in the seventh grade and I'm just starting to learn so this was very helpful
Being a Freshman in high school and playing trombone since my 6th-grade year, I have had only 2 months of band with a trombone player that has played for 7 years. He has taught me how to play higher than any of our trumpet players on a trumpet than me on my King 605 Cleveland small bore trombone w/ trigger. A triple high D is the highest note I have played.
triple D, as in 3D's above the staff? And how do you have a small bore with a trigger?
Yes. The note can't be held for more than a second or two and I barely have my bottom lip in the mouthpiece. I have done it on a Vincent Bach 12c mouthpiece. I had a friend in the 7th grade who recently had a King trombone for sale for a great price and it was an old trombone that his grandfather played about 40 years ago. It is the only small bore trigger trombone i have ever seen or heard of.
Some older horns are close wrap small bores. My friend has an old Conn with a small bore and a trigger. Its in recent years that people have favored the large shank with large open wrap triggers.
Many bach triggerbones are small bore, mine included
Evan White same
This has really I helped I’ve been struggling to get comfortable with my high G to Bb range and this basically opened my mind.
Jaysus! Thanks mate. Just got a euphonium and couldn't get the upper notes. Never thought of lowering my lips to go higher, but it works a treat. I like all your blogs ... no bullshit, just facts.
My trombone was a Yamaha student model, with a smaller mouthpiece. Summer before my junior year, I bought a Schilke 52D, a much larger mouthpiece. It gave me a fuller warm tone, I liked it a lot. I found after working with it for a while, if I switched to my small Yamaha mouthpiece, I had a higher range than before. I would only use it for play time, how high can you go, type fun; because I liked the fuller sound of the larger mouthpiece most of the time.
Thanks! I've been subbed for a little bit and I don't regret!
Why am i watching this i play mayonnaise
I play horseradish
I play a mixture of Mayo, ketchup, and mustard
I remember the good old beginner days when all I could play on my tuba was a low a and an octave below middle c.
To be a functioning tuba player all you need is 1 & 5.
Why am I watching this, I play bari sax
SirPants III I play clarinet
i play eupho
7evenb same
you clicked on it loser
I play trumpet
Thank you soooo much!!! 3rd year symphonic band bass and 1st this helps a ton.
Also: don’t feel like going super far into the high range or low range is necessary. The vast majority of the time they will save those notes for other instruments that can actually play them while sounding good.
This helped a lot I'm in the Middle school Symphonic Band (Advanced Band) and I only had SUPER MAJOR problems with was hitting those high notes.Thank you for this😊
Symphonic band isn't advanced that's symphonic winds
@@Aduysvmncmkouyf how on earth are you to know the difficulty at someone else's school?
@@charliewhelan9488 cause I just do
I've been playing trombone for 5 years, I can play a double pedal Ab, and a double octave D on a good day. I play bass trombone in jazz and lead trombone in marching band. It takes a lot of time, effort, blood (literally for me, I played so much my lips started bleeding), sweat, tears, and a LOT of patience.
Nicholas Huffman Speaking of blood, one time I had a drum major who would use her baton to push trumpeter's bells up. One guy had braces and it cut his lip and it started bleeding. So, he emptied his bloody, spitty spit valve on her shoe. She quit band the next week
Dineth Altmann wow that's kind of... weird. and also, was it the drum major or the trumpet player that quit?
Nicholas Huffman Drum major
Dineth Altmann why would she push up the bells.
You should never practise until you bleed! Thats an extremely damaging practice - I know an ex-professional euphonium player (a winner of the British Open solo among other accolades) He destroyed the muscles in his lips by pushing himself too hard while practicing and playing.
im a intermediate tenor trombone and idk if beginner or intermediate bass trombonist, pretty sure intermediate, this helps me a lot, thanks Trent
Best advice on range I have ever seen. By the way I too practice with a petrol can next to me. Coincidence? I think not!
Extremely helpful, thanks!
I play trombone and I play trumpet as well and that has helped me a lot in my upper range
took a sec to get it but it makes loads of sense and is incredibly helpful, thank you
Thanks so much for this video. I just got scolded by my conductor for playing any note above C wrongly so this is useful.
Bro same anything above c for me is just impossibly bad
Which C, like the one above concert F, or do mean the one above that?
@@trombonetimmy1064 LOL. What is concert F? There are quite a few concert F's on trombone :)
@@somebody9033 the default one you learn in 6th grade beginner band.
@@trombonetimmy1064 I don't know what you learn in 6th grade band.... assuming middle C on the piano is C4, which note is it?
See I was a little bit worried I moved my mouthpiece around to play in extreme ranges, but I feel fine about it now. Thanks!
I play trumpet. Dafuk am I doing here?
Smokey The Cat? You aren't in your realm..go home
Smokey The Cat? I don't even play an instrument why am I here
i play clarinet why am i here
I play the trombone
Boi I play Snare drum and I’m watching this
oml thanks so much it actually helped thanks so much I can go down in pedal range now on my tenor thanks so much
I'm a French horn/ mello player. I remember being so happy in 7th grade because in sixth grade my range was only two octaves. In 7th grade I had a 4 octave pedal b flat to a high b flat
I play on an S.E. Shires Bollinger model bass trombone. I just purchased the S.E. Shires New Classic 1/2XD bass trombone mouthpiece. They actually don't make it anymore because they consider it too big, and I got the last one that they had at their factory. It's a great mouthpiece, and the biggest bass trombone mouthpiece on the market. Prior to playing on the 1/2XD, I played on the Denis Wick 00AL Heritage Series, which is the biggest bass trombone mouthpiece that Denis Wick makes, but not as big as the 1/2XD.
I actually find it easier to play high by putting more pressure on my upper lip by moving the mouth piece down. But then, I play Horn so it's probably pretty different than Trombone.
Thanks for the help
Very interesting. Thank you.
Howdy Trent! Thanks for all your great videos. You inspired me to get a cheap trombone and start honking! I kind of want a contrabass trombone, but they’re impossible to find. So, until I can find one, I’ll just honk away on my P-bone, and maybe figure out a few actual notes. :-)
PS: I can somewhat reliably play four partials. How’s that for range?
I remember accidentally grabbing my Conn Helleberg 7B tuba mouthpiece instead of my normal Bach 1 1/2H. Elsa's procession to the cathedral got a whole lot more fun at the end (and an octave lower).
That bass trombone is beautiful. I just couldn't keep my eyes off of it. I love all the think pipes. What brand of horn is that?
I’m a cornet and trumpet player, but this was really intetesting
Hmm, this looks like it might work on trumpet, I'll try it out! Thanks!
you really do need more subscribers man
I been playing bass trombone for 7 years and I can play a high F (2 octaves above the one in the staff) and a double pedal Bb (two octaves below the one in the staff) it just takes practice.
but how low? I can somewhat get the Bb below the staff.
I'm in middle school, can play the Bb above the staff, kinda get the Eb.
There is one on the staff, the "low" f (I play tuba) Is a step below the staff
Steven Yang try these techniques to unlock your range:
two octave scales, flexibility exercises, buzzing arpeggios and half scales.
Cole D. I can do that and ive been playing for a year
The question really isn't whether or not you can hit a really high note or a really low note its actually if you can play them musically and in tune.
In fact, playing extreme high notes or low notes is best demonstrated while playing music in the band literature.
Another good way to develop high notes and low notes is doing octave jumps. This tests your ability to hear and reach the notes readily.
Thanks Trent I'm in my 2nd year playing trombone and I'm in my schools symphonic band I I just perfected my 2 octave Bb scale on tenor
its my 2nd year playing trombone as well, last year i played tenor and this year I've switched to bass but i just auditioned and successfully got into my schools symphonic band also which is the second highest band at my school. congrats on perfecting your 2nd octave Bb scale : )
FaZe Silverr and by "perfected" you mean perfect tuning right?
***** I played frère Jacques in my first year
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what Second Year Middle School???
Thank you for this video! I just had one question. Would you suggest using these techniques when actually playing a piece or scale or whatever it may be? The reason I ask is because of 2 possible problems:
- If the piece or scale is played very fast, it may be difficult to move the mouthpiece at the required speed
- the difference in embouchure may cause some notes to be out of tune.
These are some problems I experienced, and I wanted to know if you had any tips or explanations. Thanks!
+Taran Kota These techniques are to enable you to initially reach the notes. With more and more practice you should be able to normalise your embouchure so that it doesn't have to change position as much.
+Trent Hamilton Want to know a pretty much equally good technique (that you don't need to move the mouthpiece). Simple answer, aim your airflow in different places in the mouthpiece.... Then it will be the same result that most people use. It's easy after a while, becomes a habit you don't need to think about and examiners and people won't get picky about it.
This is a methode that works grate in the beginning, but its a cheap way out, and long term u will get more of practice with the same mouthpiece position. Changing it will limit your flexibility etc
I disagree, with practice these shifts can essentially be formed into one "pivot" that allows one to transition seamlessly through ranges. Every amazing trombonist that I've ever known who had incredible range started off exactly this way and then just found ways to connect the "embouchures" into one system.
When I was learning the trombone at school in the early 90s, I was constantly being nagged about mouthpiece position, always having it too low. I've never been able to play confidently above the F above middle C.
Now in my 40s and going rather thin in the hair department, I have shaved my head and grown the mandatory goatee, but once again I'm finding that it is now uncomfortable to have the mouthpiece high enough and this isn't helping my range. How do you find your facial hair affects your playing?
i did a poopy
Move the mouthpiece down has the same effect as moving it upwards
Facial hair will affect the seal your face has to the mouthpiece, so I would recommend shaving the goatee or at least getting the hair far enough away from the mouthpiece to have a good seal. There’s a great number of fine looking people without hair on their heads!
However, mouthpiece placement also helps significantly.
Ha, Mr. Bean in the diagram.
This is gold. So helpful. I also liked Mr Bean's picture.
If you could do the same thing for trumpets, that would be amazing! Thank you!
I have a question similar to this. I play a Bb Trumpet and have a decent range for year 3 (Bottom Gb to E over high C) but need some tips on playing fast and incorporating flexibility.
4:00 lol..but very helpful
I can play the extremely high B, but right now it’s still extremely difficult, but I can go below low D on that same tenor trombone
A couple of "Quck Tups". Love it :-)
Hi Trent, could you explain how to quickly and effectively switch between these different mouthpiece placements? Thanks a lot by the way, this technique you told about feels like opening a big iron door on the trombone.
ok I play with a swing group on bass trombone I use a yamaha ybl 830 and a schilke 59 mouthpiece. I switch between tuba- 2nd trombone parts and if the first player is not there I have to play first. I only have this horn and a few cheap plastic horns what would you recommend for range that changes that vast during a concert.
I concur 100%. It’s also true that not everyone’s comfortable position is the same either. My mouthpiece position on trombone/euphonium is about the opposite of your 60/40, so 60% bottom, 40% top, and slightly to the left of my mouth. I move my mouth even higher in the upper register and lower than my normal position in the lower register.
Beginning trombonist don't listen to this, you want to practice and practice high. You want to be able to skip from a pedal Bb to a super F? You are going to want a strong stationary face. No mouthpiece movement because that can change the way you sound and gIve you much more problems
It's better to just go with what is comfortable for the individual. You can change your embouchure for substantially lower, or higher notes.
+Zach McCartney If one wants to sound like Joe Alessi, or James Markey, one must play like them. The less variables you have as you play the more likely you to sound consistent through all registers. If you move your mouthpiece up to play hire, the mouthpiece is holding the lips closer to the teeth, the only way to truly sound good in those registers is to build the strength through Remington's and lip-slurs. I can play a pedal C and a double F without moving my mouthpiece around. Because I have built up the strength. On comment of what is most comfortable for the player is best, it is true that there are many different ways of solving the same problem, but there are second and third rate solutions to a problem that can be fixed by doing one superior process. The really good professional players we all aspire to sound like, all have a fairly consistent placement of slide positions and tuning slides, because they execute the first rate solution to its highest potential.
I was in a masterclass with alan baer once. All he talked about was how to sound amazing. He said range and technique should take a backseat. He said one thing to practice is buzzing on your mouthpiece and then slowly taking it off your face while maintaining the pitch. I've been doing it for maybe a month and I have to say it's the most effective embouchure muscle building excercise I've ever done. My parents say I sound completely different from how I did before that masterclass.
Reece MacDonald my friend Preston he is a beginner trombonist and he watches Trent
I'm looking to start playing bass trombone, I've been playing tenor trombone for 5.5 years now, what is my best option for bass trombones to purchase.
I would love to see you recreate the solo that was played by benedict college trombone challenge. They played black and blues can you try it and record it
I get what a pedal note is and what a high or double high note is, but it is much better to just use octave notation. AKA Pedal F=F1. Or middle C=C4.
ok im looking for a way of being able to play louder and so far ive went improved it buy a slight amount however im still no where close to being loud enough to be heard in my band class
I’m a 6th grader (girl) second chair and like the highest note I can play in high Bb not bragging I’m just telling you cuz like I have no siblings and like I’m bored to and like I’m also watching this to be 1 chair next semester so thanks Trent helping me get through um my first semester in band (6th) I could like play only low notes but now I can play both low and high so Thank you a lot for your help
No There's no way you can play That the highest We learned was high D
My band instructor said to angle my air down is this correct or is there something I could do different. RSVP
1,111 subscribers. How lucky!
How do you change your position on the mouthpiece during performance?
I play a small bore tenner with a six and a half A mouthpiece. I know it is possible to hit a pedal B flat with that setup. Do you have any tips to help me reach that note?
+Trent Hamilton Does this apply to the tuba as well?
About a tenor trombone,how do I double toungue because my UIL music required me to double toungue
+xXxStankyFatDog GamingxXx There's another video in my channel where I talk about double tonguing.
i have that same mouth piece, the second one
I've been doing this subconsciously been doing this on my tpt since my second year lmao
to get to my high range i put my lips the opposite way you do(75% below and 25% above)and i’ve ben told that’s bad by a few people, can you give me some advice?
Im a freshman in the top band at high school. In terms of playing in the extremes i can hit the second f above the staff and double pedal b natural. In terms of playing and flexibility i can play up to the second b flat above the staff and down to the first c below the staff. Aiming towards proffessionalism what should i be working towards?
+samd shawd double petals lol. I hit them when I was a freshmen. idek. double petals are good for bragging thats about it.
the lowest I can go on trombone is 1 octive lower Bb and the highest is the 2 octives higher than bottom Bb at about a C
ooh I have that same mouthpiece but with small bore
Hey Trent mate? Do you have a favourite brass instrument or do you equally like them all? :)
i play tenor trombone, and my mouthpiece is very large, so i cant get to the high notes that easelly, for exemple, i sometimes strugle to hit an g4(i think its 4, but in my country we use other words). i have tried duzens of other mouthpieces in stores , but mine is the only one i feel confortable with, even tough its very old , probably older than me, and the outer layer where you put your lips in is very beatup.
Don't go about shifting to increase range, that only causes problems. Build range off of your usual embouchure. Just do long tones every morning and you'll develop both extremes without the detriments shown in this video.
This video was very helpful, however, you blamed the instrument when you couldn't get any lower. My trombone instructor demonstrated double pedal notes. Notes lower that what you played, but he did it on a tenor trombone w/ a 6 1/2 al mouthpiece. I am however VERY impressed with your upper range, a can't get that high on a tenor.
I can hit a Bb. First octave in first position! (As in playing normally.)
BTW, there are some crazy trombones. Like the one with buttons.
My old band director had a trombone with valves
@@averageatbest6917 i cheat with one of those actually
Would this also work for euphonium players as well?
This video really helped, because of it the highest I can play is F 2 octaves above the staff. Thank you!
It looks like you have Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) demonstrating the embouchure.
does this work if I play (marching) baritone?
proves that everyone's face is different when I do the exact opposite mouthpiece movement.
Same
I play bass trombone in my high school's jazz band, but one piece doesn't have a bass trombone part, so I have to play a tuba part
I've played since 5th grade, and I'm now 8th, but having issues. I am going into high school with a really good jazz band that is really high parts. I don't feel comfortable playing anything above a high F. i can't seem to unlock it.
About the first mouthpiece you introduced, can it be effectively used in a tenor trombone?
Micah Zender maybe with a large bore instrument
6:55
how does the Dennis wick 0al compare to something like a 1 1/2G
Slightly deeper cup smaller rim
I position my mouth the opposite, I play tenor trombone do I break this habbit and try your way
have you updated this perspective as the years have gone by?
Your air is a tad fast on the pedal C and double pedal B-flat.
I'm about to switch to Bass trombone anyone have pointers on how to do good
On trombone f above is my highest and I’m not 100% sure but I think on euphonium my highest is ab above that
Can you make a video about this for tuba
I’m a Trumpet player. But i’m here bc i play Euphonium too. Bc it’s lowbrass too. 🙂
Suggest 6 1/2 AL, worked well for me
I'm a freshman French Horn player. I can play a few notes below an F, 3 octaves below the staff. So I can play pretty low. I can play a C above the staff, which is pretty decent for my age. However I want to be able to hit a double high F. How would I go about hitting that note?
Treble clef F or concert F?
Cuz the first F below the staff is like a ton of ledgers down, times by 3 is rediculous.
I have a pretty mediocre range from pedal f to high F so I really hope this will help (on bass trombone) for a piece in which I have to hit double high b flat
Btw the song is a variant of "thoughts of love"
Ive made it pedal g to high g
4 octaves on the dot
As of my junior year I have the F 2 octaves below concert F up to F 2 octaves above concert F (only in first pos) but I haven’t really checked my low range past that
I am a 11 year old player so this helped me soo much
I'm 12 and i play trombone