A lot of people have been commenting about Jade being a director first. Yes, you're right she would be considered a director first...my point still stands though. We hardly see talents other than singing, dancing, & playing instruments.
I wasn’t alive back than but did every 90s show have a side story? Like a main story and a side story that wasn’t important? Did they ever finish that side story? I watched full house and they did have a side story but it seems like they didn’t finish all with it like it didn’t matter. For example Stephanie was teaching Nicky and Alex or whatever the twins names are, how to color or something like that and she moves upstairs because it was loud downstairs and that’s all. I really with they would finish it
@@masterofdragons82 Taina, That's So Raven, The Proud Family, The Brothers Garcia, American Dragon: Jake Long, Sister Sister, Just Jordan, El Tigre, Romeo!, Little Bill, Cory in the House, etc. On Nickelodeon and Disney channel back in the 90s and early 2000s, there was a lot of shows that had POC as the main lead. Not saying there's no shows like that now but there was a lot of it back then and there weren't any Twitter hashtags or petitions to demand for such shows to exist. They just made and aired those shows without needing to be asked, you know?
Never heard of it until I stumbled upon this video. But then again, I'm not from the US and I wonder if it ever aired outside it's country of origin. Such a shame because it looks so good!
Nickelodeon rarely aired that show back in the early 2000s, despite it being a hit. Nickelodeon seemed to be doing that a lot starting in the 2000s to any show that wasn't a Dan Schneider creation or SpongeBob.
There was another show that aired in the same time period as _Taina_ on Nickelodeon and it's the teen drama _Caitlin's Way_ (2000-2002). It's even more forgotten and underappreciated. To be honest, there's tons of series from the 1990s and 2000s that are forgotten and underrated.
I feel like Dan schneider isn’t very good at writing female protagonists. Victorious, iCarly, Zoey 101, they all have main characters with no motivation and are generally “perfect”. Supporting characters in his shows are consistently more interesting than the protagonists
The only exception to this are the titular characters of Drake and Josh. They both had fleshed out personalities and always had clear motivations for everything they did.And I don't think it's a coincidence that the Schneider show that most people remembered was that one. Shame that Schneider couldn't replicate what he did with D&J for the three shows you mentioned.
Zoey was always seen fighting for anything she wanted to do.She wasn’t granted anything,she would always make some sort of invention to get what she wanted.
I kind of realized something in the end of the video. That alot dan schneider's shows are an escape from realism. We know that boarding schools in real life are not like in zoey 101. We know that becoming internet famous is not easy conpared to icarly. We know fame is actually hard to get compared to victorious. We know that getting a date is really hard compared to drake and josh. All of dan's shows portrays what we expect things to be. To be easy, happy, fun and to have a few problems.
Indeed but from all of the sitcoms you’ve mentioned, there’s a real one character who did not portrayed “escape from realism”, Trina from Victorious (on my opinion/for example). She badly wants to be famous. Whenever she sees a producer/talent scout, she grabs the opportunity & tries to do her best in front of them but always get rejected then acts like nothing happened after that. Some people might think Trina is dumb but for me she isn’t. I salute her for having a thick skin after those rejections she’d received. Not all people are like her.
In defense of the video, jade sings a lot more than she directs and writes (I can only think of 2 things she wrote/directed, well wishes and clowns don’t bounce. Was there more?)
The girl who played Taina was in Freaky Friday! I was trying to figure out what I recognized her from and she was for sure the singer of Anna's band in Freaky Friday with Lindsay Lohan!
Omgosh yes! I was just realizing that as well because I knew her face and it was bugging me trying to remember where I knew her from. She also was in that Disney movie from ‘98 about inline skating called “Brink!” with Eric Von Detten.
A lot of nickelodeon shows are similar. Taina/Victorious Kenan & Kel/Drake & Josh The Brothers Garcia/Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn The Journey of Allen Strange/Marvin Marvin All That/The Amanda Show/iCarly The Naked Brothers Band/Big Time Rush Ned's Declassified/100 Things to Do Before High School
Mack Jorgensen not almost.. or rather, not anymore than any other character. The most I can think of where she was the lead was steamboat Suzy and the play about the book where cat glued the monster makeup to her face. That’s not a a lot. In fact, unless you count the play where tori shared the lead with Jade, there’s atleast 4 different plays tori wasn’t the lead in... the phone episode where tsikowitz takes there phones, The Who did it to Trina episode, Tori kills Rex episode, and the wok star episode.. so no, tori doesn’t get the lead in most plays
I thought it was silly with the sea boat sally thing really Tori should have been the understudy seen as she was new to the school, hadn't really acted before and didn't even know what an understudy was.
@@kateodonnell4218 I think Tori’s just as good as a singer. Yeah her range is only normal - fairly high but yell me you didn’t vibe to at least 3 of her songs. My top 3 are: 1. Best friends brother 2. Her parts in “It’s not Christmas without you” 3. Make it shine (its a classic) Honourable mention: Freak the freak out
Jade actually isnt a singer first she's a director first. When they had to reaudition for the school she used acting and directing to audition which shows her main goals and that thats the main reason she wants to be in the school
Victorious was showing the fun aspects of attending a performing arts school, while Taina was showing he real aspects of going to one. I loved Victorious though so I’m going to give Taina a shot
Okay my “majors” I would guess the victorious cast had would be: Tori- Singing Jade-directing Cat- singing or costume/makeup design (in two episodes) Robbie- ventriloquism (but also he’s rlly good at theater tech stuff in that one episode) Beck- acting Andre- songwriting/ singing Trina- martial arts but wants to be a singer But I do agree the show would have been better if the characters passions had been fleshed out a bit more
I said for Beck modeling cause he has the looks but now that I think about he does do a lot of acting so maybe both. When he’s not acting then he’s at a modeling gig then when he’s not modeling then he’s acting 🤔
Martial arts would have been perfect for Trina. Helen should have gotten her the reaudition when she sees her practicing to fight somebody instead of her "saving her" from the robber (Robbie).
Imagine if jade wrote and directed a movie in which Beck, Robbie and Trina starred it Andre wrote the music and tori sang the music Cat was the costume designer, singer and makeup artist
@@keepitpushing3000 I get what you're saying and its true but it would be disingenuous to say that "Latino" is not widely understood to be a racial term that correlates to a particular Brown look and experience... Like technically speaking the appropriate terms would probably be Mestizo / Indigenous but I'd argue a lot of people understand/interpret "Latina" to be the same thing lol even if it isn't
I can't see victorious ever getting a reboot and If it does I would be excited but the most I see us getting is a spinoff of trina cause all the other cast is doing something else but trina still acts on Nickelodeon shows (made a appearance in Henry danger and she was in the fairly odd movie)
@@cherylledave5231 ummmm defently not they didn't even care enough about the show to get a second season dang they sold it out for Henry danger I would be very surprised if they did but at the same time would any of actress be available that's important too
@Chloe Doyle because all that is easy to reboot all you need is kids which is way easier then victorious with its writing style and charters and the creator was fired from Nickelodeon and nobody can write victorious like he did
@Chloe Doyle and also I feel like my problem with victorious reboot would be that they would forget what made victorious special so I don't see a reboot of victorious coming
This was a really awesome analysis. I would have loved if victorious used background characters more (though I do appreciate in the slap fight episode they break the 4th wall a little bit and make fun of how the school revolves around tori and her friends) I also find it interesting that these were both popular, but still got canceled (while I think Victorious was close to running its course, it never got a proper finale as we all know and according to Wikipedia, taina had scripts for a 3rd season already written when it was canceled) for similar reasons ($$$). I guess these types of musical shows are just expensive to make, plus all the guest stars. I’m a late 90s baby so I didn’t know about taina until this video, but thanks for including a link to them, I just finished the second episode and I like it so far!
I don't remember much about Taina except for its theme song and also of this one scene where Taina was calling someone and their answering machine was a catchy song that her whole family danced along to. That scene was pretty memorable for me.
@@JayniacJr YES!! I only still remembered that one scene only from the whole show when I happen to see it on TV when I was little. Now I feel like watching the whole series.
This video now is making me want to start that rewatch of Victorious and also watch Taina. I’ve been putting off my rewatch but also watching Taina sounds so interesting and perhaps I’ll be able to notice the parallels. I’ve never heard of it before but it sounds like something that would be more relatable than Victorious. It sounds really cool.
I haven't thought about Victorious for years but somehow I ended up watching all of your videos about it. I never knew Taina even existed until now but I was only about 7 years old then. It is interesting how two shows can be so similar but so different. It's possible that Nickelodeon liked Taina and wanted to reuse the idea but make it more current. Just subscribed.
For starters, all of the Victorious cast members are together through the whole episode. in Sleepover at Sikowitz Tori ends by saying "...and I am Victorious" I would end the show with that line. Maybe the characters compete against North Ridge or something!
i would make as tori gets a note saying she has to stay at hollywood arts for another year since she was only there for three years and everyone else was there for 4 and that school isnt like other schools. Then the whole episode would be the characters talking about the colleges they're going to and they find out they're all going to be separated and at the end of the episode when everyone is about to leave tori starts to sing make it shine and showing the best moments of the show and in this universe sam and cat would be totally different
In my head cannon, I think all the characters go their separate ways after high school. Robbie becomes a jingle writer (he wrote all those bad news songs with Cat and Broken Glass and he sings and plays guitar), Cat slowly grows more mentally insane and becomes like her brother ending up in a mental hospital, Andre gets a record deal as a musician but after a small taste of fame, he decides it’s not for him because he sees the toxicity within the industry and instead does smaller gigs in his spare time. Beck does small parts in movies but never gets a big break and works in training other people to be actors in an acting school, Jade becomes a director and writer mostly for horror films and becomes quite popular, Trina never stops trying to become famous but along the way becomes a single mom living through the life of her genuinely talented daughter, enrolling her in beauty pageants from a young age and enrolling her into Hollywood Arts. She tries to live through the success of her daughter’s life but ultimately becomes jealous. Finally, Tori gets offered a record deal and becomes a really famous pop singer but her ego grows bigger and bigger and she eventually has a Brittany Spears like meltdown from the stress of the industry. Kinda depressing but I think it’s the most realistic ending.
Her character wasn’t supposed to know how to sing when in reality she could really sing. I hate how they made Trina the annoying “less talented” sister and I wished they actually let her sing
I'm so confused on where the document said "before Victoria justice got casted" because I think the purposely named the show victorious because Dan wanted Victoria to be the main character
After Victoria worked with Dan on Zoey 101, she reached out to him and expressed how much she loved acting for him, so he created this show. Not like it was 100% made just for her, but it’s obvious whatever idea he had was edited for her
When I watched victorious. When I finished it I felt like that's it? And part of it was from it ending upruptly but it was mostly the fact that the show had no depth. And I couldn't describe it. Taina definitely looks like it would actually make me feel something and make me belive it's real. Where victorious always felt like it was missing the overall depth of reality.
Can I just say thank you for making this video. I have been saying this forever. Taina was my show growing up and when Victorious came out I was like this is a white washed version of Taina. I also feel like that’s so raven in part, was inspired by an episode of Tiana.
I will never understand why people say That's so Raven was a rip-off of Taina. Raven was a psychic teen who wanted to be a fashion designer . Raven's friends Eddie ( a basketball player/rapper ) & Chelsea ( was all about animals/nature ) & her brother ( a scheming money hungry genius honestly ) . In terms of the parents I feel we got to know more about Raven's parents compared to Taina's & they are apart of the show more as well . Female lead wise I feel like Raven had more personality & her friends , family, boyfriend , teachers , frenemies added to that then you have Taina who's friends & frenemy personalities shined more than Taina's ( same thing can be said about Victorious ). Both have amazing theme songs & songs in general ( Taina's theme song is just Taina which isn't a bad thing ) That's so Raven let Eddie & Chelesea sing/rap more unlike Taina , it was mainly Taina singing when Maritza should've sung a lot too . I feel like That's so Raven let everyone shine and Taina somewhat let the others shine ( Honestly whenever Maritza , Taina and Renee were together they would overshadow Taina but with Raven that didn't happen much if at all because she had an entertaining personality ) . Both talked about their cultures but Raven went a step further and addressed Racism & etc.
@@mayflower7811 That's just 2000's fashion ( which is just 70's & 90's fashion mixed together with a 2000's touch ) Taina's fashion isn't original ...nice but not original .
I never heard of taina, definitely have to check it out! And since we’re on the topic of obscure nick shows you should make a video about just Jordan! For the longest time I thought I just made it up in my head but I recently rediscovered it and can confirm it was real. I used to love this show but it just seems like nobody remembers it
I just finished watching Tania and in my opinion it's an overall more solid show. It leaves you feeling connected to the stories and just... fulfilled honestly. And as a person of colour who enjoys R&B it was just a very enjoyable experience. Victorious like many more modern shows is hollow.
I was a little kid when Taina came out, and I used to love it. It was a product of its time. Her friends and family was more involved, and I liked that she was a woman of color, and her culture played a large part of the show.
Fantastic analysis! I love Victorious and still watch it to this day whenever they play it on TeenNick. I always felt the characters deserved more credit than they got in terms of how they were written, so I'm really glad I stumbled onto your channel. As for Taina, I actually never heard of it, but as someone who has a Latino background, I'm shocked I've never even heard of it, but now I'm more compelled to check it out. Thanks for the recommendation and can't wait till the next video!
I’ve noticed dan schnieder repackages shows and episodes often. His own or of other networks. Icarly has some episodes that seem to suspiciously mirror Hannah Montana eps.
In germany we have this show named "Spotlight", its from nickelodeon i think, and its literally the same as Victorious just in germany.. Its a ripoff from a ripoff.
Maybe for a new design you have jade saying “starting with the pretty girl” twirling her scissors from the Christmas episode or cats “ what’s that supposed to mean!?!?”
@@Kevin-rg3yc reading this makes me so mad cause I love this Serie so much.. They couldn’t stand the fact that a non American based tv show does better than any other shit
It was behind the scenes issues that caused the show to get cancelled. Nickelodeon was trying to abuse the child labor laws with the show's star Christina Vidal. Not only that, the network kept clashing with her management team (which included her mother AND her record label, MCA records). It led to Nick not renewing the show for a 3rd season, despite it being a ratings hit. "Victorious" didn't get renewed for a 4th season because of Nick "heading in a new direction", which was into kiddy garbage shows such as "The Thundermans" and "Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn".
As a person who watched Taina when It came out, I had never seen a show like it and I was disappointed about its short run. As someone else said the show was a product of it's Time. There was something about the 90's and early 00's shows especially ones dedicated to an diverse audience that had a habit of bringing in famous ppl either to play a short lived character or to have some guest star as themselves to throw a concert or perform in some way. I never would have thought to compare these two but I get it. I didn't watch victorious often and when I did I focused on Cat and Jade. If I really had to choose between the two I would chose on the last category I would have probably chosen Taina just because of the realism
Would u didn’t mention why taina needed publicist, manager this that and the third because this was the early 00’s those years and beyond social media didn’t exist where anyone can become a star for nothing these days by followers and etc. back then u had to have actual talent and go through A LOT to get any recognition to even be considered famous. Victorious revolved themselves posting on social media and taina did not cuz it didn’t exist and it made it even harder
I actually like that you included the scene where Taina questions why she isn’t getting to sing the lead part and Maritza explains in her own way that she has stronger vocals. Tori is talented; but,it’s absolutely ridiculous that in a performing arts school where there’s other students, some of whom even have stronger vocal abilities, like Jade and Kat, that she would get pretty much all major opportunities
Even though I never watched Taina, it seems to be a pretty interesting show. It's more diverse and it gives more depth into the background characters (like you said),
Bro this is incredible. I watched Taina growing up and have just finished watching Victorious start to finish (🙈) and I can’t believe how spot on you are!!!
Oh, my god. During the whole video I was thinking that Taina sounds like the name of Puertorrican indigenous tribes and, what do you know, she's Nuyorican!! I'm definitely gonna give it a watch soon🇵🇷
I went to an arts high school. We really did hang out mostly with kids who were in our “major” (theatre for me). We spent so much time together, and really just didn’t run into kids from the other disciplines much. Victorious totally makes sense to me that way.
This is a great analysis, Thanks to you Jay I've recently started watching Taina on TH-cam and I could see the similarities even with the characters. Maritza and Jade are kinda a like but Martiza is more toxic, she seeks too much validation especially the episode where 3LW was the guest stars, Sis tires to blend in during their performance by wearing blue massacre too 😂😂😂
I think it’s so funny how I can actually remember watching Taina when it was airing. I’m 29 so when it was on, I was 10. I have always had super good memory.
Same it's more R&B, with some elements of Latin and Pop. I feel like the songs have a bit more substance. But, Victorious songs do bop just as much as Taina's, but Taina's soundtrack is more of my person taste.
Trina had more interesting concepts in paper, what if you enter an art school but with no artistic talent? And then you have her sister as an antagonist who will have all the characteristic and boring tropes of Tory. The working hard old sibling vs the raw talent. I dunno, the character potential we could´ve with those roles reversed is pretty fun.
To answer the question of each characters majors Andre: music (singing, writing music and playing instruments, mainly the piano) Robbie: visual and audio effects/editing Beck: Acting Jade: director/playwright and singing Cat: makeup, costume design and singing and dance Trina: singing, acting, and dance Victorious: singing and acting
I believe what they major in or at least what is their main focus when they're not doing school shows or plays is... Tori- singing Andre- music production Jade- writing & directing Beck- acting (and later directing) Robbie- stand up comedy (w ventriloquism obviously lol) Trina- singing Cat- all of the above (as proven in the episode with Helen making them audition again. Cat does it all, except writing and directing)
With the things said about both shows, the scores at the end are not adding up. Especially the last for presentation. Also with Victorious being more modern they had social media on the show that helped with them getting roles outside of schools or opportunities for fame. In early 2000s social media wasn’t as popular or hadn’t existed like that yet so of course they wouldn’t have gotten opportunities through that. I feel like Taina did a better job with what they had for that time period and that opportunities don’t just pop out of the sky like they did in victorious
Wait holy crap that's Christina Vidal? As in, Maddie from the Lindsay Lohan Freaky Friday movie? As in, the singer of the most headbanging song ever to be written, Take Me Away? THAT Christina Vidal?!
A lot of people have been commenting about Jade being a director first. Yes, you're right she would be considered a director first...my point still stands though. We hardly see talents other than singing, dancing, & playing instruments.
I vividly remember acting, costume design, directing, and backstage tech being a huge part of the arts school....we see those a lot
What is the name of the show with Taina?
@@Il0vealtrock the show is called Taina
Angel Destiny oh ok thank you
Right like as an actor I’m offended because at my performing arts school singing and dancing were alwayS showcased first lmao
Taina seems like a product of its time. 90s and early 2000s sitcoms were pretty realistic in showing society and character dynamics.
Just Jordyn A style I’d like to see make a comeback.
I liked how there were a lot of POC shows back then. Nowadays, it seems like people have to ask studios to include at least one POC side character :/
enyacoladas ? There’s more POC characters nowadays
I wasn’t alive back than but did every 90s show have a side story? Like a main story and a side story that wasn’t important? Did they ever finish that side story? I watched full house and they did have a side story but it seems like they didn’t finish all with it like it didn’t matter. For example Stephanie was teaching Nicky and Alex or whatever the twins names are, how to color or something like that and she moves upstairs because it was loud downstairs and that’s all. I really with they would finish it
@@masterofdragons82 Taina, That's So Raven, The Proud Family, The Brothers Garcia, American Dragon: Jake Long, Sister Sister, Just Jordan, El Tigre, Romeo!, Little Bill, Cory in the House, etc.
On Nickelodeon and Disney channel back in the 90s and early 2000s, there was a lot of shows that had POC as the main lead. Not saying there's no shows like that now but there was a lot of it back then and there weren't any Twitter hashtags or petitions to demand for such shows to exist. They just made and aired those shows without needing to be asked, you know?
Sounds like Taina deserved more recognition than it got
I somehow never heard of it
- The CaitlynBot
i agree, i dont know how i never heard of it, i was watching a lot of nick at that time
Never heard of it until I stumbled upon this video.
But then again, I'm not from the US and I wonder if it ever aired outside it's country of origin.
Such a shame because it looks so good!
Nickelodeon rarely aired that show back in the early 2000s, despite it being a hit. Nickelodeon seemed to be doing that a lot starting in the 2000s to any show that wasn't a Dan Schneider creation or SpongeBob.
There was another show that aired in the same time period as _Taina_ on Nickelodeon and it's the teen drama _Caitlin's Way_ (2000-2002). It's even more forgotten and underappreciated.
To be honest, there's tons of series from the 1990s and 2000s that are forgotten and underrated.
I feel like Dan schneider isn’t very good at writing female protagonists. Victorious, iCarly, Zoey 101, they all have main characters with no motivation and are generally “perfect”. Supporting characters in his shows are consistently more interesting than the protagonists
The only exception to this are the titular characters of Drake and Josh. They both had fleshed out personalities and always had clear motivations for everything they did.And I don't think it's a coincidence that the Schneider show that most people remembered was that one. Shame that Schneider couldn't replicate what he did with D&J for the three shows you mentioned.
He was too busy creeping on underaged girls and filming their feet 😬
Zoey was always seen fighting for anything she wanted to do.She wasn’t granted anything,she would always make some sort of invention to get what she wanted.
None of the character's in Zoey 101 was interesting, and sam and cat showed that no, being exaggerated doesn't make you interesting
Bella exactly, he clearly doesn’t respect women enough to write them well
I kind of realized something in the end of the video. That alot dan schneider's shows are an escape from realism. We know that boarding schools in real life are not like in zoey 101. We know that becoming internet famous is not easy conpared to icarly. We know fame is actually hard to get compared to victorious. We know that getting a date is really hard compared to drake and josh. All of dan's shows portrays what we expect things to be. To be easy, happy, fun and to have a few problems.
Great point 👍🏽
That goes to a lot of media if you watch any sitcom it's pretty much escapism from friends to 6teen
In 2007 it was easy to become famous. L.O.L.
Indeed but from all of the sitcoms you’ve mentioned, there’s a real one character who did not portrayed “escape from realism”, Trina from Victorious (on my opinion/for example). She badly wants to be famous. Whenever she sees a producer/talent scout, she grabs the opportunity & tries to do her best in front of them but always get rejected then acts like nothing happened after that. Some people might think Trina is dumb but for me she isn’t. I salute her for having a thick skin after those rejections she’d received. Not all people are like her.
So spot on!
I’m one of the few people who actually stanned Taina. I was 10 when it came out. It was much more diverse race wise. And the music slapped.
And
SAME!! I never missed an episode of Taina or The Brothers Garcia!!
Nickelodeon as a whole used to be a lot more diverse. Kenan and Kel and all that used to have hip hop and R&b guest stars too
Exactly 😏
I was 5/6 watching it. as well as The Brothers Garcia
About Jade being a singer actually thats not exactly true Jade actually said that she wants to be a director or script writer
thats true but she's shown singing the most than actually writing or directing besides a few occasions.
She sings alot more
In defense of the video, jade sings a lot more than she directs and writes (I can only think of 2 things she wrote/directed, well wishes and clowns don’t bounce. Was there more?)
@@vanillamarshmallow yes and there only two episodes that had anything to with her directing
Though I agree she does enjoy directing...when did she say that? I could just be forgetting, but has Jade ever said that that's her passion?
The girl who played Taina was in Freaky Friday! I was trying to figure out what I recognized her from and she was for sure the singer of Anna's band in Freaky Friday with Lindsay Lohan!
Omgosh yes! I was just realizing that as well because I knew her face and it was bugging me trying to remember where I knew her from.
She also was in that Disney movie from ‘98 about inline skating called “Brink!” with Eric Von Detten.
woahh
She was in brink too
A lot of nickelodeon shows are similar.
Taina/Victorious
Kenan & Kel/Drake & Josh
The Brothers Garcia/Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn
The Journey of Allen Strange/Marvin Marvin
All That/The Amanda Show/iCarly
The Naked Brothers Band/Big Time Rush
Ned's Declassified/100 Things to Do Before High School
I see school of rock as a new victorious too
ha! Nickelodeon lost its originality.
If by similar you mean surface level, then sure
Ned's Declassified/100 Things to Do Before High School part was made by the same creator
Notice how all of the diverse shows were replace by mostly white shows
But did Taina have a song about broken glass?
Naw
If she didn't it's not worth it
If they don't have broken glass I don't want it
@@livindeadghoul periodt
“Oh broken glass is not a food so don’t u listen to some dude who says put cheese on broken glass and make a sand-a-which outta broken glass”
I know Tori is the main character but I hated how she was the lead in EVERY school play & most of the songs from the show
She wasn't the lead in every school play though
@@BabyGirlTiny almost. she was so perfect and i liked taina better for being more realistic and not being perfect.
Mack Jorgensen not almost.. or rather, not anymore than any other character. The most I can think of where she was the lead was steamboat Suzy and the play about the book where cat glued the monster makeup to her face. That’s not a a lot. In fact, unless you count the play where tori shared the lead with Jade, there’s atleast 4 different plays tori wasn’t the lead in... the phone episode where tsikowitz takes there phones, The Who did it to Trina episode, Tori kills Rex episode, and the wok star episode.. so no, tori doesn’t get the lead in most plays
I thought it was silly with the sea boat sally thing really Tori should have been the understudy seen as she was new to the school, hadn't really acted before and didn't even know what an understudy was.
Philip Moore well yeah, the show is about her 🤷♀️
Damn! When Maritza SINGS ... I love it! She wasn't wrong - Taina can sing but Maritza can SING.
MMMMMMMMMHMMM
Matxalen C just like how Tori can sing but Cat Jade and Andre can SING
"I think we all sing" 😭😂
@Abidjanaise No, no, no, she can SAAAAaaaaannnNGGGG
@@kateodonnell4218 I think Tori’s just as good as a singer. Yeah her range is only normal - fairly high but yell me you didn’t vibe to at least 3 of her songs. My top 3 are:
1. Best friends brother
2. Her parts in “It’s not Christmas without you”
3. Make it shine (its a classic)
Honourable mention: Freak the freak out
Taina is so underrated & should have lasted longer
Facts
I haven't watched Taina, but based on what you said, I like it more because the characters are fleshed out better.
I never seen Taina and I am a ninties kid
the characters do seem more fleshed out but based on the scenes shown, victorious seems more entertaining
@@adaezenjoku7527 I respect your opinion.
@Liza Johnson I don't know.
@@macleatakirkwood6516 just look it up
On TH-cam this one channel has all the episodes on there I’m surprised it ain’t got copy strikes lol
Cat, Jade, Sikowitz and Andres grandma were carrying the whole show
The most accurate thing i have ever heard
True and Rex ahem lmao
don’t forget Sinjin
did my nigga robbie filthy
Errr, that's a fan thing, I think; because I heard Sam and Cat wasnt too good.
Jade actually isnt a singer first she's a director first. When they had to reaudition for the school she used acting and directing to audition which shows her main goals and that thats the main reason she wants to be in the school
You should've tell this to Victorius writers, lol.
Victorious was showing the fun aspects of attending a performing arts school, while Taina was showing he real aspects of going to one. I loved Victorious though so I’m going to give Taina a shot
Okay my “majors” I would guess the victorious cast had would be:
Tori- Singing
Jade-directing
Cat- singing or costume/makeup design (in two episodes)
Robbie- ventriloquism (but also he’s rlly good at theater tech stuff in that one episode)
Beck- acting
Andre- songwriting/ singing
Trina- martial arts but wants to be a singer
But I do agree the show would have been better if the characters passions had been fleshed out a bit more
Opening
I'd agree woth robbie if it wasn't clear he doesn't view his puppet as a puppet but rather an actual person
I said for Beck modeling cause he has the looks but now that I think about he does do a lot of acting so maybe both. When he’s not acting then he’s at a modeling gig then when he’s not modeling then he’s acting 🤔
Martial arts would have been perfect for Trina. Helen should have gotten her the reaudition when she sees her practicing to fight somebody instead of her "saving her" from the robber (Robbie).
Imagine if jade wrote and directed a movie in which
Beck, Robbie and Trina starred it
Andre wrote the music and tori sang the music
Cat was the costume designer, singer and makeup artist
The kids on Taina looked like real kids, not models. They looked like the kids you went to school with.
I'm glad people remember Taina. Old 2000s nostalgia.
Finally, someone talks about Taina in this day and age. Maritza is hilarious and so is Renee (Taina's friend)
mc nene!
Lele pons: *yOu KnOw Im HaLf LaTiNa*
Eye rolls
GKYS.
@•S t r a w B e r r y• Latina isn't a race so she's just white lol
@@keepitpushing3000 I get what you're saying and its true but it would be disingenuous to say that "Latino" is not widely understood to be a racial term that correlates to a particular Brown look and experience... Like technically speaking the appropriate terms would probably be Mestizo / Indigenous but I'd argue a lot of people understand/interpret "Latina" to be the same thing lol even if it isn't
I can't see victorious ever getting a reboot and If it does I would be excited but the most I see us getting is a spinoff of trina cause all the other cast is doing something else but trina still acts on Nickelodeon shows (made a appearance in Henry danger and she was in the fairly odd movie)
And also Nickelodeon dosen't like reboots anymore so the most we may get is a movie
what about sam and cat?
@@cherylledave5231 ummmm defently not they didn't even care enough about the show to get a second season dang they sold it out for Henry danger I would be very surprised if they did but at the same time would any of actress be available that's important too
@Chloe Doyle because all that is easy to reboot all you need is kids which is way easier then victorious with its writing style and charters and the creator was fired from Nickelodeon and nobody can write victorious like he did
@Chloe Doyle and also I feel like my problem with victorious reboot would be that they would forget what made victorious special so I don't see a reboot of victorious coming
This was a really awesome analysis. I would have loved if victorious used background characters more (though I do appreciate in the slap fight episode they break the 4th wall a little bit and make fun of how the school revolves around tori and her friends) I also find it interesting that these were both popular, but still got canceled (while I think Victorious was close to running its course, it never got a proper finale as we all know and according to Wikipedia, taina had scripts for a 3rd season already written when it was canceled) for similar reasons ($$$). I guess these types of musical shows are just expensive to make, plus all the guest stars. I’m a late 90s baby so I didn’t know about taina until this video, but thanks for including a link to them, I just finished the second episode and I like it so far!
I heard that Tiana didn’t continue on because the writers were getting into it and didn’t see things eye to eye so they just called it quits
I don't remember much about Taina except for its theme song and also of this one scene where Taina was calling someone and their answering machine was a catchy song that her whole family danced along to. That scene was pretty memorable for me.
Season 2 episode 5 "Papi Don't Preach" is the episode where Maritza's voicemail plays. And it's great!!!!
@@JayniacJr YES!! I only still remembered that one scene only from the whole show when I happen to see it on TV when I was little. Now I feel like watching the whole series.
This video now is making me want to start that rewatch of Victorious and also watch Taina. I’ve been putting off my rewatch but also watching Taina sounds so interesting and perhaps I’ll be able to notice the parallels. I’ve never heard of it before but it sounds like something that would be more relatable than Victorious. It sounds really cool.
It was really funny & super urban in a good way
Taina seems like a really good show
It is! There's some episodes still floating around on TH-cam.
It was. I wished it last wayyy longer
ok this might sound creepy or weird but whatever his soothing voice makes me just happy that both shows were made
I haven't thought about Victorious for years but somehow I ended up watching all of your videos about it. I never knew Taina even existed until now but I was only about 7 years old then. It is interesting how two shows can be so similar but so different. It's possible that Nickelodeon liked Taina and wanted to reuse the idea but make it more current. Just subscribed.
Music nerds unite! I wanna know more about that stuff dude.
Unite!
i dont get any of it but i love music analysis videos
@@roj6895 still counts bro
How would you have written the ending to victorious?
For starters, all of the Victorious cast members are together through the whole episode. in Sleepover at Sikowitz Tori ends by saying "...and I am Victorious" I would end the show with that line. Maybe the characters compete against North Ridge or something!
@@JayniacJr isn't that an Ironman thing?
i would make as tori gets a note saying she has to stay at hollywood arts for another year since she was only there for three years and everyone else was there for 4 and that school isnt like other schools. Then the whole episode would be the characters talking about the colleges they're going to and they find out they're all going to be separated and at the end of the episode when everyone is about to leave tori starts to sing make it shine and showing the best moments of the show and in this universe sam and cat would be totally different
In my head cannon, I think all the characters go their separate ways after high school. Robbie becomes a jingle writer (he wrote all those bad news songs with Cat and Broken Glass and he sings and plays guitar), Cat slowly grows more mentally insane and becomes like her brother ending up in a mental hospital, Andre gets a record deal as a musician but after a small taste of fame, he decides it’s not for him because he sees the toxicity within the industry and instead does smaller gigs in his spare time. Beck does small parts in movies but never gets a big break and works in training other people to be actors in an acting school, Jade becomes a director and writer mostly for horror films and becomes quite popular, Trina never stops trying to become famous but along the way becomes a single mom living through the life of her genuinely talented daughter, enrolling her in beauty pageants from a young age and enrolling her into Hollywood Arts. She tries to live through the success of her daughter’s life but ultimately becomes jealous. Finally, Tori gets offered a record deal and becomes a really famous pop singer but her ego grows bigger and bigger and she eventually has a Brittany Spears like meltdown from the stress of the industry. Kinda depressing but I think it’s the most realistic ending.
They graduate I guess.
13:46 - 14:48 Your voice actually matches up to Andre talking really well!
Steve Davidson lol
Did anyone else ever wondered why Trina could sing on the group numbers but on the rest of the episode she just couldn't
Cause it was the cast singing not the characters
Her character wasn’t supposed to know how to sing when in reality she could really sing. I hate how they made Trina the annoying “less talented” sister and I wished they actually let her sing
Great video! It'd be interesting to see you compare other shows in this way (i.e Kenan & Kel vs Drake & Josh).
Great suggestion!
Oooooo 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
MattCMG I WATCHED THEM BOTH!!!
Liz gillies is truly the only reason I watched all of victorious.
and Victoria Justice,Leon Thompson,Daniella Monet
@@Ash.e__Mayy Leom Thompson? His name is Leon Thomas wriestgfuhd
@@dattebayossadfry5919 lol.sorry XD
@@dattebayossadfry5919 i was supposed to say Leon Thompson but i said it both wrong either ways
@@Ash.e__Mayy His last name isn't Thompson though cuz his full name is Leon Thomas the third
I'm so confused on where the document said "before Victoria justice got casted" because I think the purposely named the show victorious because Dan wanted Victoria to be the main character
I read somewhere that Victoria emailed dan and said she was interested in being a show about her voice so they defiantly wrote it for her
Lol well yea her name is in the title just like that’s so Raven
They probably reworked an existing idea for Victoria. Both of these things are possible.
After Victoria worked with Dan on Zoey 101, she reached out to him and expressed how much she loved acting for him, so he created this show. Not like it was 100% made just for her, but it’s obvious whatever idea he had was edited for her
I'm just Happy to see somebody talking about Taina , the show is a real gem that gets forgotten about
I just realized she was in freaky friday as the lead singer of the band 'pink slip' :O
omg I didn't even realize
This guy low key exposed the writers and producers of Victorious lol
When it gets to music
Me:you don't have to be afraid to put your dream in action
You’re never gonna fade, You’ll be the main attraction.
not a fantasy
Just remember me
Strange Jayden Kassa when it turns alright
Cause you know that if you live in your imagination
When I watched victorious. When I finished it I felt like that's it? And part of it was from it ending upruptly but it was mostly the fact that the show had no depth. And I couldn't describe it. Taina definitely looks like it would actually make me feel something and make me belive it's real. Where victorious always felt like it was missing the overall depth of reality.
im sure ive said it before but your editing is so nice
Can I just say thank you for making this video. I have been saying this forever. Taina was my show growing up and when Victorious came out I was like this is a white washed version of Taina. I also feel like that’s so raven in part, was inspired by an episode of Tiana.
I will never understand why people say That's so Raven was a rip-off of Taina. Raven was a psychic teen who wanted to be a fashion designer . Raven's friends Eddie ( a basketball player/rapper ) & Chelsea ( was all about animals/nature ) & her brother ( a scheming money hungry genius honestly ) . In terms of the parents I feel we got to know more about Raven's parents compared to Taina's & they are apart of the show more as well . Female lead wise I feel like Raven had more personality & her friends , family, boyfriend , teachers , frenemies added to that then you have Taina who's friends & frenemy personalities shined more than Taina's ( same thing can be said about Victorious ). Both have amazing theme songs & songs in general ( Taina's theme song is just Taina which isn't a bad thing ) That's so Raven let Eddie & Chelesea sing/rap more unlike Taina , it was mainly Taina singing when Maritza should've sung a lot too . I feel like That's so Raven let everyone shine and Taina somewhat let the others shine ( Honestly whenever Maritza , Taina and Renee were together they would overshadow Taina but with Raven that didn't happen much if at all because she had an entertaining personality ) . Both talked about their cultures but Raven went a step further and addressed Racism & etc.
The only similar thing about both of those shows was fashion.
@@mayflower7811 That's just 2000's fashion ( which is just 70's & 90's fashion mixed together with a 2000's touch ) Taina's fashion isn't original ...nice but not original .
not a ripoff but definitely inspired
This was so well thought out!
Oh theres also a tv show of Fame which is amazing and i recommend that you watch it!!
I never heard of taina, definitely have to check it out! And since we’re on the topic of obscure nick shows you should make a video about just Jordan! For the longest time I thought I just made it up in my head but I recently rediscovered it and can confirm it was real. I used to love this show but it just seems like nobody remembers it
So, I'm not the only one who noticed that Tori's long-term ambitions were never made clear?
I never even heard of the latter until now.
30-minute video felt like a 5-minute one, so interesting
I just finished watching Tania and in my opinion it's an overall more solid show. It leaves you feeling connected to the stories and just... fulfilled honestly. And as a person of colour who enjoys R&B it was just a very enjoyable experience. Victorious like many more modern shows is hollow.
Best channel everrr! Love your analysis of victorious
Thank you so much!
PLEASE analyze all of the victorious songs🤩
This was actually really interesting, I never heard of Taina before 👀 loved the video tho😎👊🏻
I was a little kid when Taina came out, and I used to love it. It was a product of its time. Her friends and family was more involved, and I liked that she was a woman of color, and her culture played a large part of the show.
Taina was my show!! When it was canceled I was floored. It was so good😩
Fun Fact: Joe Catania was an associate producer on Taina and an executive producer on Victorious
Fantastic analysis! I love Victorious and still watch it to this day whenever they play it on TeenNick. I always felt the characters deserved more credit than they got in terms of how they were written, so I'm really glad I stumbled onto your channel. As for Taina, I actually never heard of it, but as someone who has a Latino background, I'm shocked I've never even heard of it, but now I'm more compelled to check it out. Thanks for the recommendation and can't wait till the next video!
I’ve noticed dan schnieder repackages shows and episodes often. His own or of other networks. Icarly has some episodes that seem to suspiciously mirror Hannah Montana eps.
Did you also notice dans love of feet?
It could also be that most kids shows are simply formulaic
@@ayeyagomez iCarly is a lot like Wayne's World, Dan Schneider actually worked on Kenan and Kel hence Drake and Josh being so similar.
And BTR is like the cheetah girls but like... They actually made it as a group. 🤣
In germany we have this show named "Spotlight", its from nickelodeon i think, and its literally the same as Victorious just in germany.. Its a ripoff from a ripoff.
Das mit spotlight ist mir garnicht aufgefallen🤔🤔
@@ellenmolly Kennst du das nicht?
@@iloveclorox8633 doch ,aber ich wusste nicht das es ein ripoff von victorious ist
@@ellenmolly mir ist das auch nie aufgefallen
Maybe for a new design you have jade saying “starting with the pretty girl” twirling her scissors from the Christmas episode or cats “ what’s that supposed to mean!?!?”
trina from victorious is actually singing she can sing very well not only acting
I hate the fact Tiana Nickelodeon abruptly cancelled especially after the the show was popular & bringing in MILLIONS OF VIEWS. 🙄🙄🙄
Right and they’re excuse was “it had more female viewership than before” Taina already had scripts for the third season and a made for TV movie plans
@@Kevin-rg3yc reading this makes me so mad cause I love this Serie so much.. They couldn’t stand the fact that a non American based tv show does better than any other shit
It was behind the scenes issues that caused the show to get cancelled. Nickelodeon was trying to abuse the child labor laws with the show's star Christina Vidal. Not only that, the network kept clashing with her management team (which included her mother AND her record label, MCA records). It led to Nick not renewing the show for a 3rd season, despite it being a ratings hit.
"Victorious" didn't get renewed for a 4th season because of Nick "heading in a new direction", which was into kiddy garbage shows such as "The Thundermans" and "Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn".
As a person who watched Taina when It came out, I had never seen a show like it and I was disappointed about its short run. As someone else said the show was a product of it's Time. There was something about the 90's and early 00's shows especially ones dedicated to an diverse audience that had a habit of bringing in famous ppl either to play a short lived character or to have some guest star as themselves to throw a concert or perform in some way. I never would have thought to compare these two but I get it. I didn't watch victorious often and when I did I focused on Cat and Jade. If I really had to choose between the two I would chose on the last category I would have probably chosen Taina just because of the realism
As a woman in her mid thirties who just watched Victorious for the first time... I am soooo excited this channel got thrown in my algorithm!
When you came for Tori’s Christmas outfit I LOST it
Would u didn’t mention why taina needed publicist, manager this that and the third because this was the early 00’s those years and beyond social media didn’t exist where anyone can become a star for nothing these days by followers and etc. back then u had to have actual talent and go through A LOT to get any recognition to even be considered famous. Victorious revolved themselves posting on social media and taina did not cuz it didn’t exist and it made it even harder
Okay but Cat's audition for Helen? Singing, dancing, juggling, acting, it all. I wish she had her own songs too though
I actually like that you included the scene where Taina questions why she isn’t getting to sing the lead part and Maritza explains in her own way that she has stronger vocals. Tori is talented; but,it’s absolutely ridiculous that in a performing arts school where there’s other students, some of whom even have stronger vocal abilities, like Jade and Kat, that she would get pretty much all major opportunities
Even though I never watched Taina, it seems to be a pretty interesting show. It's more diverse and it gives more depth into the background characters (like you said),
I LOVED Taina when I was a kid! I am so happy to see someone talking about it, this brought back so many memories.
Tiana was the best show, she had natural talent and her supporting characters were also good
This was one of those videos I thought that I would watch for five minutes... just finished the video
For some reason I thought Cat was in fashion design, Jade was a director/writer, Tori and Andre were singers, Beck an actor and Robbie comedian.
That's not far off, other than cat being a fashion designer, (that only happened in one episode.) other than that, those descriptions are spot on.
Bro this is incredible. I watched Taina growing up and have just finished watching Victorious start to finish (🙈) and I can’t believe how spot on you are!!!
The show taina wardrobe seems amazing it's really good
Jade's major is writing, directing and we've seen that in the show.
Oh, my god. During the whole video I was thinking that Taina sounds like the name of Puertorrican indigenous tribes and, what do you know, she's Nuyorican!! I'm definitely gonna give it a watch soon🇵🇷
Really? Taina is a very common brazilian indigenous name here in Brasil.
@@isaa.5187 Is that so? Well, I guess you do learn something new everyday
They mention in the show that she’s named after the Tainos
I was waiting for someone to mention that
I went to an arts high school. We really did hang out mostly with kids who were in our “major” (theatre for me). We spent so much time together, and really just didn’t run into kids from the other disciplines much. Victorious totally makes sense to me that way.
Woah did they seriously have Tori pull down her male teachers pants???
Yay Victorious was very not believable. I like Jade, but in my school, she would have gotten popped enough to know to keep her hands to her self.
This was awesome. I was on edge, wondering who would win xD
And you are going to Jaynalysize Faith?! I'm so excited!
So you're telling me tori is just upper middle class with that house.....i might as well live in a shack then
I've been trying to remember the name of that show for years, thank you. I'm bout to go rewatch Taina and remember the good old days
This is a great analysis, Thanks to you Jay I've recently started watching Taina on TH-cam and I could see the similarities even with the characters. Maritza and Jade are kinda a like but Martiza is more toxic, she seeks too much validation especially the episode where 3LW was the guest stars, Sis tires to blend in during their performance by wearing blue massacre too 😂😂😂
It can't just be me who would be so happy for longer videos? I could honestly listen to an analysis video like this for way over an hour
Jade's "major" is clearly filmmaking though?
Yessss! i loved both shows i always thought victorious was like taina in a way when it came to some episodes. i needed this video 😌
I think it’s so funny how I can actually remember watching Taina when it was airing. I’m 29 so when it was on, I was 10. I have always had super good memory.
You hit the nail on the head, Victorious music is genuinely amazing! In college, people still listen to it haha
underrated opinion: i like taina's soundtrack better
Duuuuuuuh not even compreable
Same it's more R&B, with some elements of Latin and Pop. I feel like the songs have a bit more substance. But, Victorious songs do bop just as much as Taina's, but Taina's soundtrack is more of my person taste.
9:10 OMG- OMGGGG THAT OUTFIT IS EVERYTHING EVERYTHNGGGGGG LIZ REALLY POPED OFF-
The Cast of Taina seems older. Too old for a high school? Or is it just my brain, that connects 2000s Fashion with age?
Trina had more interesting concepts in paper, what if you enter an art school but with no artistic talent? And then you have her sister as an antagonist who will have all the characteristic and boring tropes of Tory. The working hard old sibling vs the raw talent.
I dunno, the character potential we could´ve with those roles reversed is pretty fun.
I’m sorry but I’ve never heard Robbie sing outside of the bad news songs. How is he a “singer”
He sings occasionally when pulling out his guitar like in the icecream episode
Broken glass
Pick a scab
but really I think he's more of a musician than a singer its always paired with strumming his guitar
BROKEN GLASS
To answer the question of each characters majors
Andre: music (singing, writing music and playing instruments, mainly the piano)
Robbie: visual and audio effects/editing
Beck: Acting
Jade: director/playwright and singing
Cat: makeup, costume design and singing and dance
Trina: singing, acting, and dance
Victorious: singing and acting
Also. Joe Catania who worked on Victorious also worked on Taina. It's in the credits.
I believe what they major in or at least what is their main focus when they're not doing school shows or plays is...
Tori- singing
Andre- music production
Jade- writing & directing
Beck- acting (and later directing)
Robbie- stand up comedy (w ventriloquism obviously lol)
Trina- singing
Cat- all of the above (as proven in the episode with Helen making them audition again. Cat does it all, except writing and directing)
With the things said about both shows, the scores at the end are not adding up. Especially the last for presentation. Also with Victorious being more modern they had social media on the show that helped with them getting roles outside of schools or opportunities for fame. In early 2000s social media wasn’t as popular or hadn’t existed like that yet so of course they wouldn’t have gotten opportunities through that. I feel like Taina did a better job with what they had for that time period and that opportunities don’t just pop out of the sky like they did in victorious
My memory honestly made me believe that Tiana and That’s So Raven were the same show.
Wait holy crap that's Christina Vidal? As in, Maddie from the Lindsay Lohan Freaky Friday movie? As in, the singer of the most headbanging song ever to be written, Take Me Away? THAT Christina Vidal?!
"Today we have a tasteful talk about how Taina taught it's television audience..." lol