revisiting Victorious... 10 Years Later, It's Still Creepy
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- Victorious- in retrospect. (An overall series review)
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Tori Vega, character analysis, Cat Valentine, series breakdown and commentary, reaction, deep dive, Andre Harris, Jade West and Beck, Robbie, Sikowitz, Trina Vega, problematic things, Dan Schneider - บันเทิง
The writers tried to make Trina the worst character, but the SHEcago scene lives rent free in my head and probably will until I die. Daniella Monet did an excellent job in her role as Trina and deserves a lot more credit than she gets!
Shecago is iconic and I will always hear Trina singing it when I hear the word Chicago
@@Yeliahailey same. Chicago the musical is a weird experience now.
i went to chicago a couple days ago and i would always mumble Trina's chicago song
I loved Shecago but Trina annoyed me a lot as a character
Yes! I still wish that Daniella Monet had the chance to do a proper cover of the song because musically, the song is perfect.
honestly andre deserved so much more attention for the writers, he was always my favorite character and it was frustrating that he was treated as kind of just an accessory to the crew rather than a cool dude on his own
Agreed. Nickelodeon always treats the black characters or characters of color like side kicks that are only there to serve there white characters and add a token of diversity. Sad #This needs to stop
Seconded, Andre was probably my favourite character, and one of the most talented people in the main cast, yet he was frequently sidelined.
And he never had a steady relationship, he was always with fast or crazy girls. Whereas other main cast members were involved in one way or another with each other.
I agree
We all know if he'd been played by a white actor he'd have been a main love interest. Ugh the racism.
Dan's racism and misogyny really showed in the show. Andre didn't get the love he deserved, cause he's black. Robbie/Rex got to make predatory comments that got played off as a joke. It's disgusting
Dan Schneider likes to put his creepy traits through nerds
Also maybe this is just me but Rex really felt offensive as they kept referring to him as an urban puppet. Which was their way of say he was a stereotypical black puppet. Hell they even made an N word joke.
@@indifference1015 Right. Dan Schneider is such a prick
@@indifference1015 It's made even worse by how Rex _WAS_ supposed to be black beforehand, like he looks brown in the pilot episode. Which would've been EVEN WEIRDER with how a skittish white nerd like Robbie would channel his creepy, predatory behavior through black guy puppet.
This is why I don’t want people to continuously hold Dan Schneider’s shows to high standards. Because Nickelodeon in general *DOESN’T* have high standards because of how many shows and movies they made that romanticize double standards.
I think a big reason for why people like Jade and not Tori for doing bad things is because Jade is self aware. She knows she's a bad person and people treat her accordingly but when Tori does it it's often portrayed like she was in the right and she's still treated like she's super kind and thoughtful. She gets like a slap on the wrist at most. I think Jade doesn't get many consequences either but her being a scary social outcast feels like the trade off so it's not really the same.
But tori makes up for the bad things she does for the most part she actively goes out of her way to right her wrongs and is there for her friends so it still doesn’t make sense for her to be hated like she is
I wouldn't really say Jade was so self aware after all, was she? Or at least not ready to improve or change any of her behaviour, since Beck and her always got into arguments.
Thank you I’ve been saying for awhile now we know jade is supposed to be bad she’s the antagonist but tori is just awful she literally stopped Robbie growth
Exactly. I feel like it’s also due to how their characters subvert their tropes, like tori is supposed to be the nice girl who works hard and jades supposed to be the scary bully who hates her, so when the audience sees tori being selfish and not having to try to be cast as main roles and then jade who’s bad actions are comically big (like could you imagine if she actually just murdered tori or followed through on her threats? It’s just obviously hollow because it’s Nickelodeon) and she’s shown having genuine emotions, talent, caring for cat, etc it completely changes your perspective because you’ve gone in expecting one thing and that’s what you are comparing it against
Jade was toxic. No one in their right senses would like a person like her
I feel like the only reason Trina was portrayed as “gross” or “unattractive” was because she wasn’t as thin as the rest of the female characters on the show, which is really annoying and honestly sad.
Or that was the role Daniela auditioned for with the character description simply being that Trina was gross and obnoxious…
@@SaidByTy She auditioned but so did others. Daniela was selected out of all others (some of whom were thin).
@@Ri57490 So you’re implying that Daniela isn’t a talented actress who played Trina beautifully and the only way she could’ve possibly been selected is cause she’s a little bigger (and I use “bigger” lightly cause wtf, she’s hardly even considered thick)? Y’all are spinning your own narrative.
@@SaidByTy yeah they're reaching. she's skinny. if anything her and Jade were around the same size and there were at least 2 jokes about them being busty
They never called Trina Unattractive. They called her annoying because she was vein, arrogant, and rude. These traits do make you annoying. She was never considered unattractive tho
I always found it weird that Beck and Robbie kissed every single main girl but Andre never kissed anyone in the main cast
Beck kissed Cat ? Robbir kissed Tori ? I don't remember 👀
@@ines3770 Beck kissed Cat in a film they were making in one episode and Robbie kissed Tori when they were doing improv of cpr I'm pretty sure
there’s also a scene where tori says “my dad is a cop” and andre immediately shoots his hands up :( he deserved better
And Cat kissed Robbie to prove to him that the kiss between him and Trina meant nothing
@@taco_boi1167 ayyyye I remember that. Crazy how that just flew past me as a kid.
Well said!!! Another thing people don't talk about is how hated Victoria Justice is because of Tori like she was playing a role and has no control over the lines she gets. They tore apart every interview she ever did and tried to link it to Victorious and make everything a big deal!
poor thing
The fans are crazy
Yeah I think Tori is a totally fine person, I don’t think anything’s wrong with her, I just think people relate less to her character compared to the others is all
Exactly! It shows how toxic that fanbase was. I felt so bad for Victoria. She came out with a song, “Treat Myself” and it’s clear that the relentless harassment and cyberbullying was not good for her mental health.
@@briannalee1998 treat myself is a bop 😩👏
the thing about the characters acting like as if trina was ugly or even hideous made me think about so many instances of tv shows doing this. like, they're not gonna cast "ugly" actors, instead they gaslight the audience into thinking these model type people are considered ugly. this happened on Jessie a lot i think, idk, maybe I'm remembering this wrong
Maybe it's meant to be a joke. Like they show people who aren't really ugly and call them ugly. If so, it's not a funny one
I always thought they portrayed her as not attractive because of her personality
That character was written that way. She (a pretty lady) just was casted to play her
London always made fun of Bailey in The Suite Life on Deck for being "ugly" but that could just be written off as London's personality type. Another similar instance of this is Jackie with Donna in That 70s' Show. Both London and Jackie are characters that tear down other women who are attractive of what is probably jealousy but its hard not to see these characters as "average" looking characters who are played by attractive actresses.
We also need to talk about the very scary implications of how Trina is treated in the show. They use her "unlikeability" to justify some really troubling things towards her.
1. Her parents tried to bribe her sister with a car or leaving Trina in Yerba just so Tori can take her.
2. She was injured (due to Robbie) but the whole episode ended with them just letting it go even though at the beginning, there was proof that her harness was cut.
3. There's an uncomfortable and sad video on the slap that implied that guys thought that she was desperate enough for attention to do sexual things.
I could go on but it also seems like maybe her attitude is a coping mechanism for how unseen she feels in her life, especially in her family.
My God now I feel awful for how much I hated on her when I was younger.
I'M SORRY WHAT WAS THAT THIRD ONE
@@mysticknight1494 NAH FR THEY CANT JUST WRITE THAT AND NOT INCLUDE A LINK I NEED TO CONFIRM THIS..
@@may-sh9uf
I FOUND THE CLIP AND YEAH THEY'RE RIGHT IT DEFINITELY IMPLIES IT
caps aside, its actually pretty sad
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That's it, its toward the end of the video
@@may-sh9uf THEY STILL AINT GIVE CONTEXT EITHER
Cat's age regression thing is so weirdly sexualised it's so uncomfortable 😬 and the Robbie relationship creeps me out as well cause of his obsession like with the cardboard cutouts and how pervy he is through rex I totally agree tho that tori getting all the opportunities despite being the weakest singer is what makes her unlikeable esp when she won that singing competition thing? And u literally see jade and cats much better auditions???? And then Jade's the bad guy for taking the opportunity when tori quits???????!!?? Makes it really hard to root for Tori when logically Jade deserves it way more
Okay,but Tori didn’t quit.She just said that she didn’t want to be their puppet anymore and they fired her
well, tori got fired, she didn't quit, and still jade would look like the bad guy, even if you want, otherwise, jade jumped at the chance, knowing that tori wanted that chance too, and no matter if it hurts tori or not, She accepts it (tori, the same girl who helped her in more than 1 problem that she had, but jade never returned the FAVOR).
and that tori was still considerate of her, in not kissing beck, knowing that jade still has feelings for him. therefore, yes, they make jade look like the bad one, because her intentions were bad, wherever you want, jade deserved to be there, too tori, don't discredit her.
Creepiest thing about the whole Rex thing is that there’s an episode where Trina is seriously injured when someone sabotages her harness during a performance and they reveal at the end that “Rex” did it over Trina insulting him. Robbie could have killed some one over an insult to a puppet.
IKR! I feel like people don't talk about this nearly enough! Like did Robbie know he was doing it himself because he felt like it would be what Rex would do or didn't think it would be that bad? Did he really think Rex did it unaware that Rex cannot do things by himself? Lots of questions! lol
when i was younger i didn't care much 'bout rex behavior but now that i grew up and realizing everything rex says or does it's cause of robbie it's kinda creepy and sick
Okay dude, there's this dude on TH-cam that defends Rex to the ENDS of Earth and is SUCH an asshole but he says Rex is his own person.
It's kinda creepy bc it's almost as if he thinks Rex ISN'T a doll character in a show.. he literally thinks Rex can move on his own. And defends Robbies behaviour even though he was manipulative and awful.
The other weird thing is that girls didn't like Robbie but they liked rex. Like in that episode where they go on a double date with the Northridge girls while jade and kat do the karaoke
Either Robbie is really not right in the head, or Rex really is sentient and is just plain evil. Take your pick.
I remember being very sorry for Trina. The writers tried to make her as much unlikable as possible in order to mock her for the sake of comedy. But I still didn’t find her suffering funny at all…
agreed! sometimes i feel like I'm just sensitive whenever shows have a character that everyone hates on as a laugh but looking back it was just excessive and not funny
So true!! I hated that episode where she had her wisdom teeth out and everyone was acting like she was being awful when she was actually in so much pain. As someone who’s had really bad toothache it really annoyed me that everyone was dismissing her and we were supposed to find it funny that she was hurting!
Yeah I remember very specifically in one of the episodes Trina went jogging and she comes back with like bruises and scratches on her face and no one was even concerned or acted like they cared. not even tori, Trina told her she went jogging and all she said was “on your face” and then the laugh track started playing. Were we supposed to find that funny because I didn’t
@@solo_product357 well I believe that’s the episode where she wears those 10 inch heels or something?
unrelated show: but chanel number 5 was bullied so hard it was at times hard to watch
My bf was like are you a grown adult watching a critical analysis of Victorious? Like sir, be quiet Serena is speaking xD
Omg I love this 😂
There is no age limit when it comes to the media that you enjoy! Don’t let people judge you for that
@@shizzlemywizzle1 he was only teasing me in a friendly way but I appreciate you saying this!
@@shizzlemywizzle1 Don't push her to be a bihh about it
A lot of these jokes would be a thousand times more disturbing if you removed the laugh track. Also, there's the running gag of Tori's mother implying that she had an affair with her husband's police partner, and Sikowitz inviting his students over to his house for a role playing assignment, which is definitely inappropriate for a kids' show.
Oh wow that is disturbing
Why are you everywhere😮
I don’t find the sleepover with sikowitz episode inappropriate at all tbh
@@Ilovebrushingmyhorse it's inappropriate bc students, especially students who are minors, should never be having a "sleepover" at their teachers house
@@thedoorlessvoid THANK YOU! I thought I was the only person who felt disturbed from that
The hate for Tori spilled out into reality because people bullied Victoria Justice for the Ariana Grande thing and always use that meme against her, when there was literally no beef at all. She still gets bullied to this day and it's sad.
That's sad. This isn't Victoria's fault. She's trying to work with what she's given and this is what she gets? Man and some of the comments I've seen aren't even by children.
@@anonymoususer9197 exactly!!!! I'm glad that she is returning doing music again because she deserves it.
I can understand tori. But Victoria? no
Jade and Kat actually were believable as best friends while as Kat and tori's friendship felt kind of forced
Well if you believe in toxic friendships then sure
The ping pong episode it was revealed that the rest of the group were friends long before tori came to the school tori is literally an add in those friendships in real life never last
No they weren’t. There’s nothing believable about that friend group at all
@@jessicacurbeam1037 Jade is a toxic who would never have friends in real life
@@icohen1627 never said she wasn’t toxic I just elaborated on the persons comment
"there's a laugh track so I was confused into thinking it was funny" is such an apt way of describing how it feels being a young kid watching something as frequently inappropriate as Victorious and hearing them say something really messed up and sort of laughing along without understanding; the Dan Schneider rabbit hole is deep and disturbing
Also, the story for Cat's hair color changed from the brother story to liking red velvet cupcakes
oh thats interesting!
maybe because she feels like her brothers stories would be shared around and she can only tell her friends because i don’t think she ever told a story about her brother on her theslap page
When was the brother thought she was an intruder story was told? I don't remember this on the show
@@-nymph. she didnt tell stories about him on the slap but he was definitely talked about or mentioned in some of those exclusive “the slap” video diary things.
@@ioanna1934 it wasn't in the show I think it was made up
The show was full of inappropriate innuendos. That should not be in a show like this. They are all minors!!! And they even made a whole episode recreating The Breakfast Club with the whole "vegan" (virgin) joke. What the heck was that all about?
yikes, so weird
that episode was so weird and uncomfortable to watch
That's what that was? I was so confused cuz Cat wasn't vegan. But in that episode she was.
There's also a scene in the Yerba episode where when they're all getting arrested, and a guard slaps Trina's butt as she walks out the door.
I thought it was about weed (which is still wierd for a kids show)
Also in iCarly, Sam and Freddie had a really toxic relationship, Sam constantly beats up Freddie, her hitting him, but not in the face is seen as "sweet" by Carly, they argue all the time, and Sam locked herself in a mental hospital because she thought she was insane for liking Freddie, and their relation ship is supposed to be "cute". Freddie also lost focus on the web show and Sam forced Freddie to smuggle ham in his pants for her criminal relatives to grab at, Freddie's mom is usually overreactive, but not when she finds out her son is an abusive relationship.
I can’t even watch the episodes when Sam and Freddie date bc it was cute when I was younger, but it’s not now. If they were supposed to be enemies to lovers, it definitely didn’t work because there were hardly any “love” moments from them. I think their relationship was forced and paced poorly.
@@amarzing23 Yeah, it’s definitely forced, it’s really uncomfortable to watch and Dan Schneider definitely did it because of the money.
@@amarzing23 Yeah I never liked those episodes. It just doesn't work.
Yeah it’s really, really fucked up.
I remember girls would flirt with Beck and other characters had to tell them that he had a girlfriend. I would feel hurt too if I was Jade. The whole Rex thing is weird, everyone just accepted it. They know Rex isn't real and it's really Robbie doing and saying this stuff yet it was just ignored.
I agree with you. I think when I was younger I did actually convince myself that Roobie and Rex were two different people because I did not want to comprehend that Robbie was capable of doing all of these terrible things
Also I agree. Jade and Trina are the least, albeit still mainly, one dimensional characters on the show. Jade started out as just a mean girl but she still had some empathy. Towards the end, she is flanderized to the point of becoming a full on psycho and attempted murderer. Trina starts as a selfish but really funny “talentless” character and towards the end, she becomes a more exaggerated version of herself but it’s still mostly the same. Also, she works her ass off to make her dreams comes true while Tori gets everything handed to her.
I disagree we can see why they act the way they act.. Trina clearly doesn’t get love at home jade either see and hear about family a few times
@@jessicacurbeam1037 I'm not saying that makes them one-dimensional but in my eyes it does make them uninteresting characters. I mean if a character acts obnoxious just because of their home life or past life then I will not care for them.
@@njyawndra8609 I understand what you’re saying and I somewhat agree you in real life Trina would annoy the crap out of me and I would not be friends jade but this is a fictional world they work if they acted like tori and cat the show would be boring every character on this show is basically one dimensional
I thought I was the only one confused on why jade starts out as a mean girl but they make her character development worse and worse as seasons go on and she turns into a straight up psychopath
I think the reason that some people hate Tori but not Jade is truly because for whatever reason Jade's terrible actions are played for laughs, but for some other people, it's because we're supposed to see Jade as a mean character. Sometimes, it seemed like we were supposed to see her as a love-to-hate character. But they already knew she was bad upon the initial viewing, and now they are just looking back at Tori and realizing "Wait, we were supposed to like this character?" Some of the hate for Tori probably comes from the shock due to the disparity between how they viewed her then vs. now, as that gap is large, unlike it would be for Jade.
And Jade is more interesting, it's just bad writting from Dan
Exactly. Jade is a messed up, sadistic person and doesn’t try to hide it but Tori comes off as sweet and innocent
I really like how interesting Cat is but knowing that dan was behind the show makes me wonder if they made her so childish and incent just to fetishize her... I don't like this thought but I always thought it is a possibility
Once I realized Dan’s character and the way he treated ari backstage, I agree with your point.😕
It probably was tbh
Have you ever seen Cat's little extra videos on the slap or whatever it was called?
Literally disturbing
@@mysticknight1494 yah that's exactly what i mean
The thing with “playing pirates” is actually so disturbing. And the fact that she calls it that makes it seem like sb trying to do inappropriate stuff to a kid and masking it as “playing pirates” so they dont understand what is happening
I personally feel really bad for Trina people are constantly mean to her Tori isn’t a great sister to her most of the time her parents are just awful and the main cast just treats her awful I get that she can be unlikable and isn’t the nicest sometimes But I think that everybody else around her could treat her better she is portrayed as talentless to make Tori look better but I think Trina does genuinely have talent it’s just not singing except for that one episode where she magically became really good at singing
I heard that Daniella Monet can actually sing in real life. Also, people in that show act like singing is the only talent one can have. Trina is good at acting, and is also good at martial arts. What she lacks in singing, she makes up for it in acting. I remember when she kissed Robbie because her character needs to kiss his character.
She can! She’s actually very good :)
The problem for Trina is that she refuses to believe she can't sing and that's the one talent she overwhelming subjects people to. If only she'd focus more on her other skills
yeah like the wisdom teeth episode where their parents make tori make sure trina doesn’t die while under anesthesia and she literally just abuses her the whole time… drags her up the stairs and everything
@@gerby6000 to be fair, Tori only dragged Trina upstairs because: 1. Trina refused to just stay downstairs and sleep on the couch. She whined until Tori gave in and agree to take her upstairs to her room. And 2. She was either unable or unwilling to walk upstairs herself. Tori is a twig. There's no way she has the strength to fireman carry Trina's deadweight across a room let alone up a flight of stairs. She was struggling with just regular supported walking.
Trina made things more difficult in that episode. No amount of pain she was feeling justifies that level of bad behavior or entitlement.
There are certainly moments when I feel bad for Trina. This wasn't one of them.
what happened to cat is what happenes to a lot of sitcom characters, i believe the term for it is flanderization which "is the process through which a single element of a character's personality, often an originally mild element, is inflated in importance over the course of a work until it becomes their primary defining characteristic"
so often ditzy characters that in s1 had airhead tendencies here and there are completely and irrevocably stupid by the end, like you wonder how they function alone type of thing it makes no sense. think eric from boy meets world or drake from drake and josh. and it goes for any characteristics, characters that had type a tendencies become absolute control freaks, it even happened to jade, where her asocial behaviour become fully antisocial and antagonistic, they will latch on to a characteristic someone has and make it so much bigger that you're like what happened to the fully 3 dimentional character from before? think of any of your favourite long running show character and you'll notice the pattern. it's not a bad thing though, because a lot of characters that are remembered fan favourites are characters that fit this, but it's interesting when you noticce it, like how much a character changes over time, you don't really see that anymore much because shows are more meant to be binged now
i agree completely
Patrick Star from SpongeBob is another example
Peter Griffin is a perfect example. In the first few seasons of Family Guy, he’s just a sarcastic but clever character. Now he is so unfunnily stupid and almost downright infantile at some points.
this happened to patrick in spongebob!!
Joey and Phoebe in Friends
When it comes to kids TV, I try not to get into the theories of everything bc i don't want to ruin my own childhood, but I actually can't help it with this show. characters like Robbie and rex, they were genuinely freaky like I didn't realise how scary it actually is, rex tried to hurt trina and what he did could've killed her and at the end of the episode Robbie and him are talking and he says something like "nobody suspects the puppet" its so scary when you realise that it was literally Robbie. he's not some magic being its vantriloquism.
@Bass Armstrong OMD HAHAHA i didnt even think of that
It’s annoying cause characters like cat , they normally start out a little ditzzy, but they have other components to their personality but cause they are normally the main comic relief character they end up regressing and only have 1 personality trait, and it’s in all nick or Disney channels, such as cat, max, Cece,pj etc
Pj and Cece ware actually smarter in later seasons of they shows
@@ssxattention7457 nahhh in a later season on shake it up cece thought the whole of France was the size of the map they had
@@millieboon oh yeah i forgot but at least she learned to be less narcisstic
I don't remember Max from Wizards of Waverly Place ever being flanderized.
Victorious is a show that’s written like an adult show or show made for teens but everything is played for jokes and it comes off really awkward. Like the situation with Tori’s parents, Jade’s parents are divorced and it’s implied on the slap I think that the way her parents treated her contributed to her personality, and Cat has a lot of issues in general
I know it’s farfetched because the cast is so busy, but I REALLY wish they would make an adult reboot of this show like they did with iCarly. All of the mature themes could be explored like Cat’s home life (especially her brother), Jade’s parents, Tori’s parents and their affair, and so much more.
@@amarzing23I understand that you wanted this but what about people like me who are finally considered “old enough” for the show and have gotten addicted? My parents showed me ICarly and I got excited for the reboot. It was for adults so I was sad I couldn’t watch it. Victorious is my favorite show and it’d be difficult for me to enjoy victorious because Netflix only has season 3. Eventually Netflix will lose copyright so I won’t be able to enjoy full episodes so I’d like to enjoy the series because my parents aren’t getting paramount anytime soon. I’m not trying to tell you to change your opinion or convince you to agree. I just want to see if you think that we should get a more age appropriate show that’s more entertaining for people of all ages
I think the character of Victoria being "so amazing" in comparison to her peers (who had stronger casting) is definitely a huge source of malice.
Kat always made me uncomfortable, I watched too much Oprah growing up and everything she said sounded like a cry for help.
Jade and Andre is a concept I would like to explore, they were the best.
Robbie and Rex was a hot mess, I think they were definitely part of the creep factor (Rex was voiced by an adult).
Beck was always boring to me because I didn't find him attractive.
I think the way they treated Trina was flat out bullying, and I wonder if her personality came first or the bullying.
I never got why Tori sabotaging Jade’s play was so bad. Literally the episode before that, Jade was sabotaging Tori’s chances to be the lead in a play by literally forcing her to constantly give blood so she would miss it. That’s 10x more F’ed up and Jade should’ve been expelled after that so I don’t really care that she doesn’t get to do her play.
Jade hid only one of the bags of blood Tori donated. Robbie burst the other one. The doctors convinced Tori it was safe to donate a 3rd time even though it definetely isn't safe to do that.
@@montamagic541
Hiding even one bag of donated blood is pretty horrible.
Not saying it isn't, but Jade didn't "literally force her to constantly give blood". The second that first bag went missing the doctors should have found another donor. Everything that happened after the first bag Jade had nothing to do with
To be fair, Tori didn't try to sabotage Jade's play it was Sikowitz who told her to do the prome THAT day or forget about it. Also Jade did try to give Tori flowers she was allergic to, which could have been lethal.
All in all I think the problem sometimes was that Sikowitz eidn't discourage competition between his students and on top of that was very antagonistic to Jade.
probably cuz Jade doing the blood stealing was more indirect and didn’t actually work, but since Tori actually succeeded in sabotaging it that made it different? Idk this is basically mental gymnastics but it’s the closest I could get (other than the fact that most people just like Jade’s character better)
Honestly, it's annoying when people try to justify Jade's hatred toward Tori by saying "yeAh BuT ToRI kiSSed hEr BOyfrIenD iN tHe FirST epiSOde" when Jade was mean and bullied Tori before Tori EVEN KISSED Beck!
And worse,since Jade is so insecure,she decided to pour hot coffee on Tori’s head and treated her like a dog because she couldn’t trust the fact that beck wasn’t flirting with Tori
Here is what I think about Cat Valentine.
She is the stereotypical ditsy red head. She is rarely seen without a smile on her face. She loves everyone and everything. She is very kind to Robbie, in particular. The other kids at Hollywood Arts, even those who Robbie considers his friends, tend to mistreat him. Cat is the exception. She is unwaveringly kind to him no matter what. She does not reciprocate his romantic interests, but she at least has the decency to let him down gently. It is not just Robbie, she shows loyalty to nearly everyone. Cat’s most consistent trait is her love for her friends. She cares about them and never wants them to get hurt. She is usually willing to help them when they ask for it. In “Driving Tori Crazy,” Cat helped Tori out with her inability to find a ride to school, helping Tori to get a ride on the party bus. In “Tori falls for Beck,” Tori gets an acting gig as a stunt double. Beck dresses as Tori and does the stunt for her. Cat helps Beck do this, altering a dress that looks exactly like Tori’s except it is in Beck’s size.
Cat clearly has an assertive side that she shows many times. When Mamaw Shapiro is rude, disrespectful and hateful toward Cat, Cat retaliates against the abuse. Cat has even called Jade out on her bad attitude a few times. Even when she is savage, she is still adorable. Cat doesn’t just stand up for herself, she stands up for others. In “Freak the Freak Out Part 1” Haley flirts with Beck and Cat informs Haley that Beck is spoken for. Cat was standing up to the homewrecker.
The writers tend to portray her as not taking criticism well. I only partially agree with that. Personally, I think that she responds well to criticism expressed in a calm, polite and respectful way. It is when people lose their patience and fly off the handle that she shuts down. Look at the episode “WIFI in the sky.” When Cat begins goofing around, Tori calmly tells Cat to stay focused. Cat responds by doing as Tori asks. Later on, when Cat starts goofing around some more, Tori flies off the handle, criticizing Cat with an angry tone. It is then that Cat perceives the criticism as vitriolic and it is too much for Cat to handle. Cat usually has the situational awareness to realize when she has done something wrong and is willing to make an effort to improve. She enlists the help of Oliver to overcome her addiction to British candy. In the episode "Three girls and a Moose,'' after Cat and Tori neglect their friends due to their obsession with Moose, they apologize to Beck, Robbie and Andre and they perform at Tinkle Aid. Jade makes no apology and, when Tori and Cat do their performance, Jade is off with Moose. That makes both Tori and Cat (but especially Cat) morally superior to Jade.
Cat frequently utters the phrase “What's supposed to mean?” when she misunderstands something that someone has said. When the offender clarifies or takes back what they said, Cat returns to her usual bubbly self as if nothing ever happened. That tells me that Cat asking the question “What’s that supposed to mean?” is her giving the benefit of the doubt to the offender, recognizing that she may have misunderstood them. Clearly, Cat gives people the benefit of the doubt.
In “One Thousand Berry Balls,” Cat wrongly believes that Robbie is going to ask her to be his date to the Cow Wow. This bothers Cat, as she does not want to go to the dance with him. When Robbie reveals that he is going to the Cow Wow with Gabriella, Cat tells Robbie, to his face, that she is happy for him. When Cat is alone, she utters a soliloquy, where she reveals personal feelings of envy over Robbie going to the Cow Wow with someone else. She admits to Jade and Beck that she has conflicting feelings, not wanting to go to the Cow Wow with Robbie, but not wanting him to go with someone else. Clearly, Cat is very conflicted. The most likely explanation for Cat experiencing these conflicting feelings is that Cat has feelings for Robbie, she knows that Robbie will love and appreciate her for all she’s worth, but at the same time, she is worried about his behavior. It is possible that she believes his perverted behavior would be problematic. Maybe she does not need a boyfriend with as many psychological problems as Robbie, because her own psychological problems are enough to deal with. This demonstrates Cat’s ability to contain emotions. While this isn’t the best attitude to have, your actions matter significantly more, in the grand scheme of things, than your thoughts.
Not only does Cat have many good qualities and few bad qualities, most of the bad qualities that she has are forgivable. Her flaws only make her cuter.
Well done
Now her actress IS the homewrecker 😂
People that ship Robbie and Cat seem to miss how weird their relationship is. Their “love” is mainly one-sided. He had standees of Cat, asked to “snoodle” with her while they were naked, and said “we should make out sometime” after singing that bad news song to Beck. He’s too obsessed with her and it’s weird. Don’t get me STARTED on the “pirates” game.
Or that he has lifesize cardboard cutouts of her
@@lure7439 that’s what I meant with the standees :)
If they didn't try to push Tori as the one being the kindest, the most talented who doesn't have to try too hard, an angel through and through etc, she would have been more well-liked.
Also, when Jade did bad things, like the flowers thing you mentioned, she was punished by losing her role. Also, she definitely is funnier and more charismatic, so I get why the fandom (including me) like her more. Plus, the show did Elizabeth dirty by not letting her sing as much as Victoria or Ariana.
Also the worst and creepiest thing about this show, isn't the inappropriate jokes, it's Dan Snyder 🙃
Elizabeth was absolutely robbed for only getting to sing like, three times in the entirety of the show. This is entirely subjective but I personally find her voice even better than Ariana's, I wish she had gone into a music career after Victorious but she seems to prefer acting to singing
@@pixi7633 that's how I feel too, her singing was phenomenal
She sung more than Ariana tho…
Give it up
Want you back
You don’t know me
Take a hint
The song with Andre
Christmas song
Jades wasn’t a singer her major at the school was screen play and actress
Cat only sung
Give it up
La boys
The song with Robbie
Want you back
But I do agree jade got punished when she did something Tori never got punished because
@@pixi7633 at least she got her own song ari didn’t
If you're wondering why there were so many uncomfortable scenes, we have Dan Schneider to thank for that... Eww.
There is 100% family trauma happening in Kat's life. It was always odd to me that no one worried more about it whenever she brings up her family. I think it's indicative of how people treat children or someone child like when they cry out for help. No one asked if she was safe at home after all those stories.
Yea the parents of the kids in the show were terrible. Tori's parents don't give a shit about Trina, Ms. Vega is cheating on her husband.
Cat's home life seems abusive, Jade's dad hates everything about Jade. We know Andre lives with his grandma.
Also Robbie cuts Trina's safety harness injuring her because she insulted his stupid puppet. Robbie using Rex says a lot of creepy things.
There's the possibility that Tori & Jade could be gay for each other. For some reason Jade let's Tori touch her and openly accepts hugs from Tori. When Jade repeatedly tells people to never touch her. In the episode where the two go on a date they say each other is pretty and both look away in a crush/feeling kinda of way.
Trina's worst qualities are her being selfish & being annoying a bit. But the treatment of Trina by the other characters was sometimes unnecessary.
Cat was someone with normal intelligence & probably Autism/Bipolar disorder in season 1. But was made completely stupid as the show went along.
I’m sure if it was an adult show
Tori and Jade definitely would’ve been a couple
@@AstarionWifey or if Tori & Jade were characters on Degrassi they would've been a couple
There is so much fetish stuff shoved into this show it’s impossible for me to rewatch. The people behind the camera had their own agenda outside of the show 🤮 and adults are constantly hitting on the teen characters and it’s played as a joke.
I actually really liked Tori. She did have main character syndrome and definitely wasnt perfect but she could actually be a really great friend and a great sister considering who Trina was.
I think people said Victoria was boring because we are all used to characters with edges and complex stuff. The most edge Victoria had was the "talentless" sister, which tried to outshine everyone.
And I felt so sorry for Ariana Grande. People really thought she was stupid or mentally not well, just because she played the character that well. Iirc, she had also played this character in "Sam & Cat", which only added to this idea. 🙎🏻♀️
I've heard in reality she's quite clever.
she’s well spoken, super talented, and verrrry smart
My mom was determined to tell me that Ariana was ditsy and worthless until I finally told her to stop. I had to explain how she was just playing a character and seems quite intelligent in interviews.
Yeah, everyone gets on Tori for her crappy behavior but when Jade does it all of a sudden it's funny
I think it's because Jade's behavior is self aware and intentional, she's supposed to be a kind of mean girl. Tori is supposed to be nice, so the awful things she does seems worse in comparison. People mostly tend to like the characters who are mean and are recognized as mean, but not the ones who are recognized as nice but are actually awful .
@@zmaleki2906 I wouldn't call Jade Self aware
@@icohen1627 I meant the writers of the show were self aware of the way they portrayed Jade and the mean behavior was intentional, but it wasn't the same case for Tori. (Tori's kinda like Emily from Emily in Paris. The writers had the intention to create a lovable nice character, but they ended up with an absolute pain in the ass and they didn't even know she was annoying and awful until the backlash)
@@zmaleki2906 except when Tori does a bad thing it’s portrayed as bad so that excuse doesn’t work
Yeah! Yes I love Jade but people seem to forget that she almost KILLED Tori for a role in a school play. my sis is flawed and it’s okay to admit.
Tori is probably actually the most relatable character on the show. She was a bit self-centered at times but in reality we all are. She had her ups and downs and she didn't make the best choices but at the end of the day she was still a good friend and trying her best. Plus, even if people don't like Tori the character, that's no excuse to turn around and hate Victoria Justice for it.
I really do love her voice, but Nickelodeon seriously did her dirty with some of the songs they gave her. She still sounds good in everything she sings, but her voice is so much more expressive in songs such as "Tell Me That You Love Me" and "Here's 2 Us" (both very underrated btw). I think two of the main reasons Ariana's and Liz's voices stood out against Victoria's was 1) the songs they gave them and 2) Ariana and Liz had lots of training and experience prior to the show.
The many jokes and comments made in the show were very awkward and creepy and would be taken even worse without the laugh track. I also have small issues with each of the characters I guess. They all have their flaws.
-Tori: Self-centered at times and the producers tried too hard to get us to like her. She's not an unlikable character, it was just too pushed, if that makes any sense.
-Andre: Tbh I have no problems with Andre. We stan an underrated, unproblematic king.
-Jade: Jade, Jade, Jade. The only things that really annoyed me about her was that she overreacted and was a control freak on multiple occasions, especially when it came to Beck and her relationship. (read Beck's description for a little more detail) In Season 1 she was just the "dark", sassy, somewhat antagonist. Throughout the rest of the show she does grow closer to the friendgroup, but did some seriously messed up things (suggested violence on other characters, and there was that one episode where she was the understudy to Tori in a play and tried to get Tori hurt/etc)
-Cat: I liked her in the first season. She came off as just a slightly airheaded, ditzy, bubbly teenager. In the later seasons though, she really started to annoy me at times. I found myself questioning if she could even do basic tasks such as cooking something, driving a car, or taking a test without making it into a big joke. I mean, in season 2, she tried to lick a laser beam.
-Robbie (+ Rex): They were so creepy. Robbie was suggested to have s3xually a$$aulted Cat (the running pirates joke thing) and made very uncomfortable comments in general towards the females in the show. Rex was supposed to have a kind of "Jade" personality but came across as creepy and predatory. And we can't forget that one time when he "pushed Robbie" into messing with Trina's harness and could've seriously injured her. They were annoying, creepy, and didn't appeal to me at all.
-Beck: Would've loved to hear him sing more. He was only there to be the "hot one" and Jade's boyfriend. At times he seemed so oblivious to Jade's feelings to the point where it was like he didn't even like her (along with not bothering to stop girls from flirting with him while he was in a relationship).
-Trina: She seriously had so much potential and they threw it away. I understand completely that there has to be some kind of comedic relief but I would've loved to hear her actually sing or be more than the stupid, annoying one.
All in all, the whole show/the rumors circling around it was just so toxic and not that great of an environment for anyone. Is it nostalgic? Of course. Are there lots of good parts? Yes, definitely. Is it creepy nowadays? Yes.
Honestly never understood the sudden irrational hatred for Tori. Is she a bit boring? Sure. But the level of hatred people have for her is a bit weird. I think it’s because of a TH-camr who makes videos on Nickelodeon Tv shows. I can’t remember his name, but people jumped on the bandwagon after his video.
@@janhavi1977 oh yeah that 24 frames of nick guy.. his videos are extremely biased and irritable. he bases his knowledge on what he feels and if anyone has a different opinion than him than they’re wrong. i swear he did a carly video but not a sam video? sam is emotionally and physically abusive person and he mentioned in his video “she wasn’t that bad”.... huh?.
@@vaginaspecialist Freddy was the MVP in iCarly. Sam and Carly were both awful to him, but Sam took the bullying to a whole new level
it’s not surprising why avan jogia didn’t remember anything from filming victorious due to how dan treated these kids.
i used to love this show so much as a tween, but rewatching it now as a college student, damn it did not age well in so many ways.
i didn't grow up on this show so when i watched it as a teen, during the first episode i thought andre and tori were gonna date and i was so shocked when they didn't
The title is the perfect summary….ANYTHING Dan Schneider is creepy looking back.
It is sad that Victoria Justice can’t hold a candle to Liz and Ariana and the one that plays Andre.
6:11 this was such lengthy way to avoid calling it for what it was….RACISM! 😂🤣
He was even more talented than Beck, but Beck was the heartthrob.
I agree that I see it both ways. It’s nice to see a purely platonic relationship between a boy and a girl, but yeah also….why not?
18:32 TF did Robbie do to Cat? How does HE play pirates? 🤨😒
22:44 TY! this has always stuck with me!
He wasn't even a good writter and created like 15 shows
23:00 "I don't wanna see that thing again; put it away!!"
- Cat to Robbie, after he announces he has something to show her
Oohhh ,no
Here is what I think about Andre.
Andre frequently helps his friends with their problems. For example, in “Jade Dumps Beck,” Trina wants Robbie to write a good review of her one woman show. Robbie cannot do that, as he dislikes the show to the point of deeming it laughable. Andre gives Robbie amazing advice on how to handle the situation. In “A Chrustmas Tori,” Andre catches the cricket, in Beck’s trailer, that has been keeping Beck awake for weeks. There are many story lines where Tori needs to sing a song and Andre helps her by playing an instrument, backing vocals or even helping her write the song. This happens in “The Birthweek Song.” I will bet that most of us would love to have a friend like Andre. Andre’s crowning achievement in the morality department would probably be his willingness to drop everything to take care of his mentally hilarious grandma.
Andre appears to be everyone’s friend. In “The Worst Couple” Beck discovers that Tori invited Andre, Robbie and Cat over to her house and did not invite Beck, because Beck would have insisted on Jade coming. When Beck makes a statement that even their friends don’t want to hang out with them, Jade says that Tori isn’t her friend, no one likes Trina, she only tolerates Robbie and Cat is basically a pet. I don’t know what that last one means. Notice that she did not mention Andre. Andre must be Jade’s friend. In “Car, Rain and Fire” Trina spreads a rumor that Beck asked her out. Beck, Andre and Robbie concoct a plan to put Trina in her place. Part of this plan involves Beck tricking Trina into thinking that he likes her, which he actually doesn’t. When Andre also feigns interest in Trina, it is obvious by Trina’s reaction that Trina does not have a romantic interest in Andre, because she likes Beck, but she at least considers Andre her friend; not like the way she feels about Robbie. Andre’s relationship with Cat is interesting. He is constantly both confused and fascinated by her behavior.
One notable instance where Andre had an opportunity to do something bad, but did not, was when he had a crush on Jade but did not tell Jade or Beck about it. He told Tori. Him having feelings for Jade was in no way any sort of injustice. You cannot help it if you have feelings that don’t make sense. A real man can suppress his urges. In that regard, Andre Harris is a real man. When he had these feelings and knew that acting on them would be unethical, he sought help from Tori. By doing this, he was expressing his emotions in an appropriate place at the appropriate time. Furthermore, Andre has a great deal of patience. His grandma has a lot of sporadic tendencies, which get on Andre’s nerves, but he still deals with her out of love. That makes Andre a role model, in my view.
Andre does have some bad qualities though. For example, he pretends to like Hope Quincy just to get close to her father. In the end it turns out that Shawn Quincy would have been willing to get close to Andre, even if Andre hadn’t gotten romantically involved with Hope. Andre has some mild anger issues.
When I was younger I loved Tori and Andre friendship. They apparently respect and showed admiration for each other talent, they perform a lot of songs that both created, and I assumed she would grow up her first-atraction from Beck and after Andre and Toro would fall in love to each other. And I still thought that would be amazing at so many leves, Andre teached Tori about music, breaking the love triangle when the girl chose the funny guy that has been her friend for a while instead of the mysterious guy, they support each other and accept each other family (Andre's Grandmother and Trina), etc etc
I've always subscribed to the idea that rex is genuinely sentient just because the way everything around him is framed, but it also is weird that they used "urban" as a dog whistle to mean like Black
Yeah I always though Rex was sentient as well lol
i think people don't criticise jade as much for her bad actions as tori because it's part of her character. (Just like being childish is part of cat's personality.) Jade is this mean character, she has this special characteristic and we like her for that. Tori on the other hand doesn't really have a special characteristic, she's just normal.
So when a character "cool and always mean" character does something mean, obviously we think it's just part of their character and think it's fine. If a character with no personality does something mean, it's more clearly seen as mean, because it comes from a neural character.
I like to think Cat used to be on meds in the earlier seasons, but sometimes people don’t like who they are on meds. So I like to think she got off her meds so she can be her absolute true self and I think that’s why there is such a huge difference about her as we get later into the series.
Also I was always bothered by the outfits the girls were wearing. Like Cat would be wearing an extremely short dress that you just barely see shorts/underwear? underneath. Definitely not something you could wear in high school at all. ESPECIALLY the outfits the girls wore to sing Andre’s Christmas song.
I think they gave cat borderline personality disorder. The signs are definitely there but way too obvious and over exaggerated. I’m speaking as someone with BPD
Rex is canonically real though?? There's a whole scene where he's is auditioning to be on Victorious and they ask him to do an "urban accent". His real name is Christopher Caine in the show's universe. They gave him a little mini reality show show skit called "An Evening With Victorious" where he shades Trina's actress because she's not Ariana Grande and hits on all the female actresses. It's actually not Robbie doing all those things.
Here is my assessment of Sikowitz.
In season 1 episode 2, “The Bird Scene” he hits Cat in the face with a ball. He throws that same ball at Tori to get her attention, which makes no sense as Tori points out. While this was definitely unethical, this is the only episode where he does this, so I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he realized how wrong he was and turned over a new leaf.
Sikowitz was involved in the ping pong scam. However, while the kids wanted to do something incredibly dishonest and break the law, so they could eat at a fancy restaurant, Sikowitz was trying to save Mr. Ikner's job. Sikowitz's motives are far more respectable than those of the kids. Not to mention, he was initially reluctant to, even mentioning the fact that what the kids were doing would run the risk of getting in legal trouble. That is what makes this decision of his an ethically questionable decision at worst.
Sikowitz is a cool hippie teacher. He makes it a point to teach his students important life lessons. He tells it like it is. Yes, he strikes the proper balance between a firm strict teacher and a cool laid back dude. When the little girl who lives next door to him constantly harasses him, he calls the cops on her and gets her sent to juvie. Despite the girl’s mother pleading him to drop the charges, he refuses. Without consequences, a person never learns their lesson for their behavior. In “Tori Gets Stuck,” when Jade tries to screw Tori over, so that Tori can’t act in a play and Jade can play Steam Boat Suzie, Sikiowitz, despite knowing that Jade is qualified for the role, refuses to reward Jade’s bad behavior. If he lets Jade have the lead role, he will instill in her the idea that messing with Tori will result in good things for her. An everyman hero like Sikiowitz cannot allow that.
Sikowitz’s crowning achievement in the morality department was definitely in “Locked Up part 2,” when the entire gang is wrongfully incarcerated in Serbian prison by the tyrannical Chancellor and Sikowitz escapes, avoids being imprisoned, disguises himself as a guard and concocts a brilliant plan to help the kids escape.
Cute Candle-Tree-Arrangement :)
Victorious is a TV Show from my teen years and I remember that I felt weirded out by a lot of characters (parents, teacher, robbie) and wondered how this TV series got so successful...
She said threw the chair on the wall it was a bit scary. Cat yeeted it so hard on the wall it shattered. That was terrifying
And remember when she couldn't use her phone and she goes balls-out crazy?
honestly it would make sense to me if the main characters were meant to represent different branches of nuerodivergency
like for example:
Kat -> PTSD or ADHD, doesn't need much explanation
Robbie -> Dissociative Identity or schizophrenia, robbie being the host and Rex playing the persecutor role (DID) or robbie being delusional, not being able to understand social cues or norms, disorganized thoughts, lack of motivation or initiative
Jade -> Bipolar, severe personality swings from over confident and seemingly indestructible to depressed angry and insecure, speaking loudly, risky or impulsive, easily irritated, restless
Trina -> narcissistic personality disorder, over confident, craves fame or adoration, obsessed with physical appearance, entitlement, envies the people around her
Tori -> Borderline personality disorder, ever changing view of self, unstable relationships, self destructive behaviors (like kissing kats boyfriend for example), fears abandonment
Beck -> idk why but in my brain he kinda shows signs of imposter syndrome or an eating disorder
Andre -> autism, i also don't know why this fits so well in my brain but it does, i think his special interest would be piano, he's often one of the ones whose performances are more toned down and that could be because he gets overwhelmed, doesn't pick up as well on social cues or in identifying his own emotions (the episode with his girlfriend, when he's evaluating whether jade likes him or not vice versa)
Sikowitz -> addictive personality (coconuts) or anxiety
it was so weird how the whole friend group just accepted jades behavior and acted like it was normal. She would always bully everyone to the core and act unnecessarily cruel to anyone she felt like taking her anger out on. Literally going up to tori and being like “you don’t look happy! ooooh I I like when you’re sad” who tf says that? so she likes when people have depression? she honestly needed someone to fight her or put her in her place besides beck because that attitude was just beyond nasty. BECK wants to be in a relationship with someone like that? Her relationship with him was so weird and all over the place from the jump too I never got into the whole bade thing and I hate that they made her more fucked up? season 1 jade is the most realistic and just a typical mean girl but then they made her a full on psychopath and for what? The show aged horribly.
Beck doesn’t like nice good girls because they don’t have a thought of their own . He likes jade because she fights back
@@Missmagazinebura the fact that nice good girls are looked down upon as weak or not having a mind of their own or “boring” is so stupid and so untrue. Just because a girl is nice doesn’t mean she’s not tough when she needs to be and it doesn’t mean she’s not interesting. Jade was a BULLY who had deep rooted issues and beck enabled that for no good reason.
@@qqisjdk beck likes jade for standing up to people
@@Missmagazinebura she doesn’t stand up to people? she’s just a bully and she’s a horrible person idek what you don’t get
@@qqisjdk she’s a mean girl who’s popular
I never understood why people thought Trina was gross. I always found her rather attractive when I was younger
She's gorgeous
Trina wasn't a bad singer. she was an exceptional physical comedienne
I like how you bring up all the Terrible Stuff Jade Does but in Tori Gets Stuck she orders flowers that Tori is allergic to and gives them to Her.
I never once thought of Tori as a bad or boring character. Sure, she doesn't have much going for her, she never gets into trouble for anything bad for what she does, and she's may not be perfect, but she's far from being "the worst" as people label her as such. The best description Tori can be given is that she's tenacious and would even try to right her wrongs, something that some people barely do these days.
As for Jade, that's a different beast altogether. As much as I like Jade, most people would defend most of her actions towards Tori just because that's "her character". Being honest, if Jade was a real person, said defence wouldn't hold up.
I don't think it was meant to always be realistic it was more outrageous and quirky
The infantilisation of Cat was one of the most skeevy things this show did.
One of....many...
Tbb I think that the most interesting thing about Beck is that he's Jade's boyfriend
The fact that people to this day still misinterpret Tori’s character bothers me. It’s almost like people are basing it off of a shoddy Memory they have and don’t want to rewatch the show, and also a bias based on their favorite characters. For example, people like Jade but hate Tori so everything Tori does they dislike to the point of mixing up scenes or ignore scenes in the show as an explanation as to why they don’t like her. Meanwhile they’ll advocate for every terrible thing Jade does, and excuse because they like Jade and so her being a terrible person is something they’re okay with
Why are you so obsessed with defending Tori? I've seen you arguing with others in at least 3 other comments.
Anyhow, for me personally, Jade is a morally bad character, but she's far more interesting to watch. Tori has the better morals, but the scenes that are focused on her are incredibly boring. She's easily the least memorable character.
@@chiu8717 because the people who bash Tori are bashing her Under a false pretense. It’s one thing if you don’t like her, but don’t make up reasons that are disapproved by the show itself based on a shoddy memory. The majority of the people who dislike Tori, dislike her because they don’t remember anything about the show so they mix things up. Like claiming Tori knew about jades play and still wanted her prom when in the episode Tori didn’t know when the play was or where it was going to be and so this idea that she purposely did something against Jade, is wrong. It doesn’t help that Jade and Tori weren’t friends at this point, so Tori literally didn’t owe Jade anything. And that’s just one of the many false claims Tori haters use. Dislike her all you want, but use actual things from the show. Not things you made up
About the Jade/Tori perception: I think people dislike that Tori isn't portrayed as flawed. Jade is literally the villan, so that's what you expect and the audience is so aware that it is unnecessary to show a moral. But bc Tori is the main character we are supposed to empathize with her, maybe fantasize that we are in her place. But then she gets all these unearned opportunities and does some shitty decisions without major consequences which kinda paints a wrong picture to project yourself into.
Tori is portrayed as flawed. Idk why y'all think that she isn't.
@@babyfaceweeb8937 Because she isn't given any consequences and gets things that she didn't earn. Also, everyone is constantly going on and on about how great and talented she is.
@@Darkrose517 she is given consequences. But even then, nobody in the series suffers consequences either, so that idea that Tori is the only character who doesn’t suffer consequences, makes absolutely no sense
@@Darkrose517 The only time anyone ever suffered consequences is that one time Jade stole Toro's blood just because she wanted to be in a play, and Sikowits played the part himself.
Your explanation of Cat was so perfect and, wow, I think Cat had ADHD. I have ADHD and it is SO easy for other people to think you're just a ditzy weirdo because your brain work differently. Sometimes life is more enjoyable when you lean into those expectations and play them up to amuse your friends, especially when you're a teenager (I did that). People don't take you seriously, so then you don't either. That could explain the shift in character... but that could also be giving the writers too much credit
I think what the show suffered from vs other shows for pre/teens is that the setting was literally a competitive talent school, so there was no hiding behind an “average girl” lead who’s just there to be pretty and saved. I think shows like TVD got away with having a similar lead because we were hardly ever comparing the talents side by side. The formula would be main girl doing her own thing against the villain, versus the rest of the cast having their own battles to assist her. I.e, Bonnie was incredibly useful in TVD’s plot, but it was always Elena’s show to be the relatable hero. In the case of Victorious, there was no escaping the comparisons because of the premise. It was enticing to watch Andre, Cat, or Jade perform because you understood why they were at this competitive school. Nevertheless, them constantly helping Tori in the plot only made them seem “more talented” which is not what you want if we’re meant to root for Tori. They were written to learn from Tori and give up things for her, but Tori would’ve been so much better off learning from them and that being showcased in the plot. It didn’t matter how outlandish Cat’s or Jade’s character were as comedic relief, because those snippets of their short performances made you want to see what else they had to offer, only to never be paid off because Tori had to lead every vocal lol
I love the way serena puts things. she did this video perfectly, couldnt have said anything better myself. she states her opinion on each character & every opinion she stated she gave back up evidence from the show, itself.
she honestly changed my opinion on a few of the characters & made me realized somethings especially abt robbie. once i say a few clips of robbie & rex i do realize serena was right.
you are too lovely
I’ve ALWAYS wished Andre and Tori dated
If the whole fandom hates Tori, why do people ship her with other characters?
The difference between Tori and Jade ,while they both have done questionable things, is that Jade always gets somehow "punished" by the end of the episode when she's done something mean. Tori on the other hand, even when doing things just as mean or questionable they always get overlooked and she's always forgiven if not rewarded for behaving like that
Name a time where Jade got somehow punished and Tori didn’t?
@@BabyGirlTiny When Tori wanted to have her prom the same day jade had her play. Yes jade caused some inconveniences while trying to ruin the prom but she got humiliated and eventually kicked out. And the prom was not ruined after all. Tori kissed both Cat's and Jade's boyfriends but it was all taken lightly, she was never considered to be the bad guy. She "sabotaged" Jade on the sleepover at sikowitz's episode by purposefuly giving her a character completely opposite to her and flirted with beck very obviously to make her break character. And there are many more examples where tori was not held accountable for her actions. When jade tried to sabotage tori to steal the role of steamboat suzy sikowitz ended up playing the party himself to "teach jade a lesson". I get that Tori is the main character but I feel like there double standards when it comes to lesson learning character development between Tori and the other characters
@@donewitheveryone7777 the prom episode wasn’t Jade being punished because Jade didn’t want the prom to happen in the first place. Jade tried to ruin Tori’s prom and didn’t get to do that and that’s all the punishment she got. Unless you think fat people dancing around her is a punishment. Tori kissed cats boyfriend and it was seen as bad and a bad thing to do and it almost messed up her relationship with Cat in which Tori apologized. Tori kissed beck during a school situation and it outside of it and it was because Jade was being a terrible Person before Tori did anything. And thus Jade didn’t get punished because her boyfriend didn’t cheat on her. Tori didn’t sabotage Jade anything, Jade was kicked out because she burnt her hand, not because Tori did anything to her, rewatch that episode. Tori also didn’t get to star in that play because Jade sabotaged and made her pass out, Jade faced no actual punishment considering what she did to Tori that episode she just didn’t get to play the part she committed crimes to play
I get that you like Jade, but you have a weird concept of punishment and a shoddy remembrance of the show
@@BabyGirlTiny just want to point out that Jade hid just one of the bags of blood. The other one was destroyed by Robbie and Tori was only so dangerously low on blood because the doctors convinced her donate a 3rd time. Jade didn't make her pass out. Technically none of her sabotage attempts worked in that episode
@@BabyGirlTiny those are not exaples of what i can remember from watching victorious as a kid. I have rewatched the show many times one of them being recently. I never said that jade got kicked out of the sleepover because of tori, i just pointed out that the rest of the characters gave each other tasks randomly funny and tori picked out for jade a sweet character that never gets upset very intentionally to make it hard for her. And then also very intentionally was close to beck and annoyed jade by stuffing her mouth with cereal because she knew jade couldn't do anything about it. It isn't just a comparison between tori and jade, rewatching the show you will find many exaples especially smaller ones is side stories in each episode where the rest of the characters get taught some kind of lesson by not getting what they want and it's no big deal but that rarely happens for tori and when it does everyone is very upset about it. Also not hating on tori's character, just pointing out that she is not treated equally to the rest of the characters
Personally, I really dislike the hypocrisy of the fandom, I mean if Tori does something bad, she's the worst, but when she's jade, she's "iconic".
yes, jade is aware that what she is doing is wrong, but that is not an excuse, or she tries to miss the fact that jade has done worse.
Although, the worst thing Tori did was kiss someone else's boyfriend.
Jade had, like, 3 attempted homicides, and no one acknowledges them.
In addition, Jade most of the time does not pay the consequences, on the other hand, Tori does not pay them, but she does try to redeem herself for her bad actions, such as the kiss with Cat's boyfriend, Andre's music, Beck being fired, etc. .
in each one I try to improve and amend their mistakes, instead jade, not even an apology was given, for which, it feels too hypocritical that they hate tori, and idolize jade, and more, that they try to justify each of their own to jade unjustifiable actions.
I'm still obsessed with Cat Valentine 💟
same
I think part of it is that Jade is the mean girl and meant to be a bitchy character, while tori is painted as like super sweet
jade was mean and bitchy in season 1 but after that they turned her into a sociopath with barley any feelings or regard for another person
I may have more to say later, after I properly finish the video, but I wanted to say that a lot of people hate on Tori (*the character) for things that were...actually the adults' fault. As a kid or even a teenager (I was about the same age as the main cast when this show first aired) you kind of don't realize how much the adults influence the characters actions until later.
I watched a review recently where someone pointed out how messed up the episode was where Tori was in charge of Trina and the parents just skipped out on helping their oldest daughter recover from oral surgery because they don't like her. And the show really downplays it and passes it off as humor, but what Tori did with Trina...may not be admirable...but it is something a teenager might do not realizing they're participating in parental abuse. In real life, emotionally abusive parents often "recruit" other family members to participate in the abuse of their children. A lot of times, what they will do is cause "triangulation" by picking an obvious favorite (Tori) and treating both kids very differently behind closed doors, causing rivalry and resentment between them. Tori resents Trina because she's left with the responsibility of basically parenting her older sister because their actual parents don't want to- and at times, don't even seem to want to parent Tori. Trina would, in turn, resent Tori because Tori (knowingly or not) participates in her mistreatment and is more favored by their parents. Likewise, the whole "prome" thing? Why would Sikowitz even suggest scheduling the prom over an event that had already been pre-scheduled well ahead of time? It wasn't Tori's fault no one was keeping a proper calendar, and to expect a teenager to show enough emotional maturity to just give up the only day they get to have something important to them is expecting a lot. I don't even think Tori and Jade were friends at this point, and it does matter to me (somewhat) that Tori wasn't intentionally scheduling over Jade's performance. This wasn't petty revenge or jealousy. Sikowitz just gave her that ultimatum and he was the one in the wrong for that imo.
Omg yes I’m really loving your video essays sm
I love when you post so much in a little frame of time and your choices are right on my alley. Oh,and I just opened the description box and see all the links. You doing such a good job. Sending love
Aww Lucinda thankyou 🥰
I Actually like Victorious when I was younger. I thought the characters were funny and relatable The Music SLAP. I still listen to the soundtrack everyday. My favorite songs are Give it up and Tell me that you love me, also 365 days!!
What are your favorite Victorious songs??
I just started re watching this show a couple days ago so I’m glad to hear your thoughts!! The problems stand out so much more now
If they must keep making gritty remakes of childhood shows, I wish they would do Victorious.
Very good video, thank you. :D
Post 1: characters
Two characters i feel bad for are Sinjin and Trina.
Sinjin can be weird and was creepy one time, but I do not think he deserved every character yelling at him or treating him badly.
Same with Trina. No one is nice to this girl. She can be annoying at times and makes mistakes, but does she deserved to be humiliated, isolated, and disrespected by her own parents? No. Also, the “nobody likes you” comment all the time made me feel sad for her.
I am also surprised that she didn’t change her major or whatever to being a stunt double. The story was getting there, but they completely forgot about it.
I feel they should have made harder acting challenges to make Tori seem less dumb. Improv, mirror exercises, etc. are pretty self explanatory.
Tori does strive to help her friends even if they don’t in return which I can respect.
I have a love hate relationship with Jade. Her friendship with Cat is adorable. They may argue and have some toxicity, but they love each other and will stand up for each other.
Robbie is creepy. Ok, if they took Rex out of the picture, would Robbie still be that toxic or would he think things through and not be misogynistic.
I still like him though because he does have his nice qualities.
I love these analyses! You really helped me see a new perspective on these characters.
Post 2: ships
Some ships are pretty toxic like beck and jade.
I am glad they acknowledged that some relationships weren’t healthy. The funny part is they were mostly Andre’s like him using a girl because her dad is a producer and the one who couldn’t stop making out with him like he was ron Weasley and she was Lavender Brown.
Onto ships I like:
Beck and Tori: Do I even need to explain why I like this one?
Andre and Jade: i felt the one episode where a potential ship was in the works showed she did not need to dial it up or be jealous all of the time. They can chill and make music together and it is fine. I felt they could balance each other out.
Cat and Robbie: i know I shouldn’t ship them but I cannot help it. They are cute together. They enjoy each other’s company and will stand up for the other one if someone is being mean to them.
Sinjin and Trina: not a typical ship but after that episode where he helped Trina increase her followers and stood up for her as well as himself, I actually liked the idea of the two together.
Beck and Tori would be such a great couple. It's a shame that they were never given an opportunity for their potential relationship to be explored more, especially after what happened in the 'Tori Goes Platinum' episode. 🥺
@@xhellystarx i know right. Glad we have fan fiction for that.
It also felt weird that we never got a series finale to see where any of the characters ended up. It just ended.
Did you ever notice how the TORI in Victorious was in a different color from the rest of the letters
Omg yes! Rewatching it as an adult, the innuendos go too far into creepy territory and the scenes where adults hit on teenagers is creepy, too.
Loving this video. Can't wait to hear everything you have to say! 🥰
thankyou queen
regarding robbie and rex, as someone who has befriended mainly geeks and nerds my whole life, i can confirm that their behavior can be dismissed bc of social awkwardness or anxiety. it wasn't with the majority of my friends, but with one or two of them i always felt like i couldn't speak up if flirtations made me uncomfortable because "oh they're socially anxious, they just don't know any better" when in actuality it's no different than anyone else saying or doing those unsettling things
Victoria Justice did really good, considering her lack of experience, leave her voice alone, Jeez.Stop hating on her.
Are you sure Rex isn’t alive? It is a children’s show, it wouldn’t be the craziest thing ever.
have you rewatched Victorious as an adult?
Yes. I have a completely new view on it now.
Every time this show comes up, people have the same opinion about Victoria Justice in comparison to her costars. She simply is not on the level of talent that Liz Gillies, Ariana Grande, Leon Thomas, etc are. Then people come out of the woodworks to defend her and say she can sing/act pretty well. No one is saying she’s completely untalented but it’s really hard to buy that she is the most talented and most destined for stardom when the previously mentioned actors are all Broadway trained. Hell, they all have gone on to have wildly successful careers and no one is surprised because their potential has always been very clear. I have a weird relationship with Victorious because I was in a weird place as a teen when it was airing. But looking back, I still feel the same. If the show had been about a group of really talented kids at a performing arts school and wasn’t focused on one main character (and if Dan Schneider wasn’t involved at all) then it wouldn’t have left such a sour taste in everyone’s mouths 10 years later.
The thing is i think rex is supposed to be real… Like they mention times in the show where he goes out with some girls without Robbie being there.
You be posting SOO much ILOVEIT
haha thanks Kyree
My only critique is that it would be cool with some clips. Like with Cat’s voice change for example. I haven’t seen the show in ages and it would be cool to get a reminder.
I wish I could but at points I was worried about getting my video copyright claimed, demonetised etc. I agree though, and I’d like to find a way to get more clips
Ariana grande went through alot on victorious did you know that nickelodeon owned the rights to her hair and since Jade tori and Trina where all brunettes they made her bleach her hair for every episode which led to her hair being so damaged that she had to wear a wig
(which is why her hair was longer in later seasons)
That's also why most of the time she has her in a high ponytail
6:23 THANK YOU!!! I was so confused as a kid why people would just hate Tori so much and go with whatever Jade did. It was very toxic mob like mentality