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James Rolfe was the ultimate chad during that whole fiasco. Made a video expressing his opinion and his choice, called every terrible name in the book and even his wife was called a gold digger, but he just went to bed and didn't even know it happened until 2 weeks later.
That was as wrong as the people who attacked the cast and crew of the remake. It was stupid how people were being attacked foe their honest opinion and attacked for doing a job. There was plenty of blame to go around and neither side was right.
@@creativerealms I'd disagree that neither side was right but for the sake of argument, I'm willing to let that slide. One side was definitely "more wrong" though. Fans of Ghostbusters put out their opinions on what many considered to be an awful trailer and were labeled en masse as sexist, bigoted manchildren unwilling to part with their childhood toys by prominent people working on the project. Were there idiots out there clamoring that the remake was shit just because it featured female protagonists this time around? Sure, of course there were. But Sony and Paul Feig acted as if that was the entirety of the fanbase. They used that to brush aside any genuine questions and criticism. If anyone thinks that people focused too much on the "cause" behind the film, that's because they made it their cause.
Isn't it kind of sad how was somebody can be torn down only because they don't like a f****** movie no I didn't like it not because there weren't women or because there were women it's because of the stupid acting and the stupid way they did it that you $5 if I did a movie with me and my friends and we had a girl in there and the only thing she did was look pretty look at her nails and 90% of the time she was a dumbass that's basically what they did to the guy in this movie they made him nothing more than a stereotypical man be dumb which is not real feminism
Funnily enough it wasn't the all women cast that bothered me while watching the movie, it was the horrible attempts at humor. In the original the jokes flowed perfectly with each scene, because they were geared towards certain characters. Each had their own personality with their own type of humor. With 2016 it was just random and unfunny.
It failed as a comedy. And that was a much bigger crime then the cast. Yet before the movie came out no one cared. No one was hating the film because it was a bad movie in the summer of 2016, because the movie wasn't out yet. They were attacking the film solely due to the cast and not the quality or lack of quality and that was a problem. I am a firm believer of only attacking something after you have seen it. James was correct. His choice to not watch the movie because it wasn't interesting to him was his choice to make. He was not attacking the film and should not have been attacked for it.
Yeah, that's the _real_ flaw of this movie. It tries so hard to be funny, that it trades quirkiness in place of any attempts at writing or character development. Which makes the film so much worse as a fault. It's why I never liked The Cat in The Hat, Holmes & Watson, or Jack & Jill, because they aren't funny nor entertaining in the slightest.
My main problem with this movie was the hoopla before it even came out. If Sony didn't open their mouth during the marketing to stir the pot, it would still be a lackluster comedy. But it was worse since the pre-movie marketing made it worse.
I think it says a lot that the new Charlie’s Angels, Baywatch, Starsky & Hutch, The Green Hornet, Chips and The Lone Ranger movies were all also lacklustre reboots of popular franchises but didn’t get anywhere near the shellacking this one did because they didn’t court controversy to the same extent.
Even with an all male team of Ghostbusters, this movie still wouldn't have pleased people. The gender of the characters shouldn't matter at all, unless you can actually do something with it plot-wise. Though, I figure stirring up controversy with cries of sexism was the main marketing ploy for this film, since they probably didn't have much confidence in the quality of the writing itself. Way to go, Hollywood...
The whole "LOOK WE HAVE WOMEN" thing always seems to be a marketing ploy for bad movies / books / whatever. If your best selling point is that you have characters that are women and NOT how good their acting is or something, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. For example, Terminator 2. A lot of people praise Linda Hamilton NOT because "she's a woman", but because of how hard she worked to get the proper physique to pull off such a character realistically AND the great acting. Those are both praiseworthy things because she had to put a lot of effort into them, whereas being born a woman takes 0 effort. And I don't recall people having an issue with Sarah Connor or Ripley, or even someone like Clementine in the Walking Dead games. People like these characters because they're good, and they're more than happy to root for a tiny little girl to beat up zombies because they like her. Also, main character in Ghostbusters Afterlife seems to be a young girl, too, and yet people are excited for it. Cries of misogyny, racism, etc are usually worthy of eye-rolling these days. When you get newspaper articles talking about how Larry Elder is a white supremacist, you really have an extremist group of people who make 0 sense and only have one go-to argument when they're upset.
I do think making it an entire genderswap came across as try-hard. And honestly, it wasn't a good film. It felt like a team of moms in some book club saw Ghostbusters then wrote a crappy self-insertion fanfic.
@@bbureau12 Yeah. I mean, it's good for media to give more representation to women, minorities, or whoever. But when you place more importance on trying to be "inclusive" rather than making a good story, you're not helping anyone. Like, if you make a movie that's supposed highlight a certain group of people; claiming it's important simply because it includes them, but it turns out to be a garbage film, what does it look like you're saying about those people? But of course, there are production companies that couldn't care less, as long as they make money.
@@TheSomewareMan This film honestly felt like a self-insertion fanfic. It's like a bunch of moms in some midwestern book club saw the 84 original, and said "hey, we could write a story like that." It's like yeah, you COULD have told a fun story with an all-female team... but ya didn't. It wasn't terrible. It was just very bland.
Also Bob's most popular review is "Cool Cat Saves The Kids", when is he gonna bite the bullet and review "Cool Cat Stops Coronavirus"? Yes that exists, and Derek Savage is now the voice of the cat.
Funny thing Diversity Ghostbusters was HATED back in the day. Only after people researched and reevaluated Extreme Ghostbusters did opinions change on the show. Yes it was a great show.
Wow, that was a Quick escape from the copyright gulag. Being a GhostBusters fan since 2001 and watching re-runs of Real Ghostbusters and Extreme Ghostbusters. I remember the sh*t show that was the publicity from this movie, I still have war flashbacks, It's like Sony went full Skinner like: “Are we insulting our fanbase by calling them sexist for not watching our reboot?” “No, It's the fans who are wrong” And then the movie bombed.
I think movies need to learn that you can have your characters make weird or stupid jokes without actually making them look like utter morons. In the OG Ghostbusters, even with the more out there quips and jokes, the humor was still consistent with the characters involved. Compare Ray sliding down the fire pole and exclaiming that he loves this location because sliding down the pole like a Fireman is fun to 2016's cast devolving into barely audible children hooting about the location while humping the room. Ray's reaction has a bit of a child-like element to his logic, but he's still treated as an adult having fun. 2016's is just the cast being loud and obnoxious because the joke is just that they're acting immature and hyperactive despite how dumb it makes them look. Though this was more important in the OG Ghostbusters because the tone was much more grounded overall despite the supernatural element, the guys were basically exterminators.
Personally, I never had an issue with the fact that the team was made up of women this time around, I love the idea of alternate timelines, universes, etc. What *was* my issue however is that they couldn't live up to what we had before, with them trying too hard to be funny. Hopefully Afterlife fixes this.
A lot of humor in the originals was subdued. 2016 felt like slapstick Three Stooges comedy. Even the video game had little things that it didn't point out to the audience, like Egon literally trembling while that spider lady was there. No one had to stop and point out, "HEY, YOU'RE TREMBLING" to try and make sure everyone caught it. It's just there, and if you're paying attention you notice it.
Fun fact: in the extended version, Holtzmann (Kate McKinnon) did have her "don't cross the streams" spiel while they were busting Mayhem the dragon ghost at the Stonebrook theater. The "Crossing the Streams" part comes back at the final battle when Rowan (in his evil Ghostbusters logo form) starts his rampage and they did acknowledge that it's dangerous but worth a shot of closing the portal like in the original film. They did cross the streams, but it didn't work unlike the original film where it did work. My guess is Sony wanted to be like the original film but don't want to be like the original film at the same time hense why the "crossing the streams" parts were cut in the theatrical cut. At least Ghostbusters: Afterlife is on the horizon. 'Cause that upcoming film is like a can of air freshener after someone took a nasty sh*t (Ghostbusters 2016).
@@SuperSwordman1 What? Oh, you must be from one of those parallel Earths I keep hearing about. Well on this Earth, Afterlife was very well received by audiences (myself included) and made more than enough money on a budget about half that off the 2016 movie that ensures a sequel will be incoming. What happened on your Earth?
I imagine the Real Ghostbusters 1986-1991 versions of the busters after seeing this. Peter: I feel betrayed Egon: I feel insulted Winston: I was mentally injured Ray I cried. Slimer: I blubblub hated it.
I honestly have a whole idea on how to fix this mess of a movie. I like your version of the movie Bob, but I have an alternate version. 1) Make Wiggs' the granddaughter of Bill Murray's character. The daughter of the baby, Oscar, from Ghostbusters 2. Have her being obsessed with the paranormal from her grandfather's glory days of a Ghostbuster. But her mother (and paying respects to the Oscar's actor is no longer with us), is against all of this paranormal stuff, because that resulted in the death of her father when she was a toddler. That way, we have an inner family conflict for character development. 2) Make McCarthy's character and McKinnion Ghostbuster fangirls. To where they want to revamp them, but is also too busy gushing about how the originals were so amazing and is self-sabotoging themselves and the group. McCarthy is more interested in everything being as scientific as possible and McKinnion is more obsessed with the paranormal. 3) Jones is the skeptic with the ghost encounter, but still joins because of the ghost counters had her being fired from her job from the boss' thinking she went crazy. 4) Have Hemworth be the nephew of Louis Tully. To where he's gotten this job because McCarthy and McKinnion wanted him only for that reason. 5) Have Bill Murray offer his services as a mentor for his Granddaughter's revival of the team. 6) Have the mayor and the lawyer from Ghostbusters 2 hear about the revival of the team and plot to disband them. 7) Keep the Roan guy as a villain, but have him in cohorts with the Mayor and Lawyer. Thus leading to the climax. 8) During the climax could be an emotional as well as an actionpack. With Wiggs' mother trying to prevent her daughter from going to fight, and when she does, Bill takes up the mantel and ends up passing away. Thus having Wiggs prove to her mom and save the city with the rest of the group. 9) There, Wiggs' mom reconciles with her daughter and accepts her interests and the continuing of the Ghostbusters, McCarthy learns that analyzing everything to an exact instant doesnt lead to the results that she wants, McKillion learns the paranormal isn't all fun and exciting as she expects, Jones becomes a true believer and refuses taking her old job back to stay a ghostbuster. Hemworth is freed from the possession, and his connection to Tully leads him to give the Ghostbusters more resources. Also keep the government trying to cover up the attack and the lawyer still threatening to sue for the damages of the city, but everyone ignores him. Happy ending all around. Sorry for long comment, but I had this idea running in my mind since I saw this movie. Hopefully Ghostbusters: Afterlife is better. Amazing review as always Bob and Raven!
I think one issue i had with this movie is how they push the All Female Leads angle by having every male character annoying, stupid or just evil. There are no smart or good guys in this movie. Like why make Chris's character the dumb secretary? Janine was no blonde bimbo, she was wicked smart!
That's one of my pet peeves with modern Hollywood these days. If you want to make a female empowerment film, that's fine, but what's the point of being empowered when you're putting down every single male character in your movie?
@@michaelstrong5383 exactly. the fact that only Ernie Hudson as the uncle is the only good male character says a lot about this film and, i must say this, i had no issues with an all female Ghostbusters team. i just find it odd they all kind of have the same personality at that but also kind of get the same origin story except for Leslie's character, who just joins because she saw it go down and could be the street wise, grounded character of the group, just like Winston was, but even then she gets tied down with her trying to make a case, being the most grounded of the group, but still being roped in as "you need to stop being crazy for ghosts". and honestly, the Women Empowerment didn't need them shooting the main villain in the god damn balls! it's stupid!
A former girlfriend of mine begged me to watch this movie with her when it came out on home video. I did so in a foolish attempt to be a good boyfriend. I didn’t crack a smile once during the entire film and at the end she asked me what I thought. I told her: “This movie makes PHILADELPHIA seem like AIRPLANE! by comparison.”
I really like the idea of Egon contacting his still living compatriots from the other side to warn them of danger followed up by the remaining original team members mentoring a new group of Ghostbusters. I also would like to expand on the idea of a portable version of that cannister that traps ghosts. I think it would be a really great passing the torch moment if because of the original team's mentorship the new team is able to put together the portable version and adapt it into the rest of the film somehow. Maybe they even have them work off of Egon's old notes that they found to facilitate the breakthrough? Those are just a couple of details I thought I would share to sort of add potential layers to the ideas they could've come up with. I love your work Bob, especially the ideas for movie improvements you come up with. Thanks again for everything you and Raven do. Happy Bobsheaux-Ween you guys! :D
Unpopular opinion: I didn't mind this movie, it was more meh for me... some jokes I found funny, I love the actresses in this movie, some jokes were dumbly obvious, i liked the action packed theme cameo, the cameos were okay by me... if you asked me which I'd prefer, I'd go for the 80's version hands down, but I think this movie is overhated if you ask me, fun review as always, guys! And I'm itchin' to see Ghostbusters Afterlife very soon
I would tend to agree. The movie was the equivalent of a stale rice cake. It's bland and doesn't fill you up, but isn't offensively terrible. I doubt anyone would even remember it if it weren't for the awful marketing... which was probably intentional.
I love your opening and the suit up. That's how it is done. Not like the 2016 movie my girlfriend and I wanted more ghost busters in it. The problem wasn't them being female, we both would have like a hex girls or a hocus pocus like all female cast. This was about them losing the style, the heart, and the soul of ghost busting. They can't keep the male bashing down for a full minute or have fun. Hope Afterlife is ... fine?
I'm both a scientist (an ecologist, specifically) and I've been on a few paranormal investigations. As bad as this movie is, I don't mind the all female casting: 1) women outnumber men in some fields of science, including mine, and psychology, which parapsychology is generally considered a derivative of; and 2) paranormal investigations tend to attract more women than men. In the '80's, yeah, but not far off today.
Speaking as a veterinarian, I see absolutely nothing abnormal with the idea of even a multiple specialty 24-hour emergency service hospital staffed entirely by women. It is not all that uncommon in my particular STEM-based medical career. Similarly, it is not the idea that four people who all happen to have vaginas decided to go into paranormal investigation that seemed off to me with the 2016 movie. (It's 4 people, not a freaking university department.) The real problems came with verbal diarrhea adlib riffing that no one seemed to care to edit, maintaining the original office place 4:1 gender dynamic (albeit in a quite subpar version) with a blonde himbo secretary that would have made Janine Melnitz plotz, and switching from having true scares in their (granted very slightly) horror-comedy to gross out humor. It just wasn't a very good movie. Gender had nothing to do with it.
@Jurassic Hero I didn't even watch it because after I saw the trailer I knew it would suck. Can't we all agree that 1999 The Mummy with Brendan Frasier was the best remake of the 1932 film.
Little side thing: Why do the ghosts appear in this movie? What's the cause of the supernatural outbreak in New York? In GB 1 & 2, it was explained WHY ghosts were showing up. In GB 1, the ghosts were all popping up because of the approach of Gozer, while in GB 2, it was the result of Vigo and the mood slime.
As a feminist too, I also agree with you on what you said about the movie, despite your... Proton pack. The main problem with this is that it's trying to be all "woke" with the all female cast. Never thought a scene with Chris Hemsworth in it could give me such a headache. Also I hate Kristen Wigg and Melissa McCarthy.
If they wanted to do an all-female ghostbusters group, why not have at least 2 of them be scientists - one being mad-scientist-like and the inventor and the other more practical and stern - then the other lady could be the ghost researcher/supernatural expert but an artist, and the other lady more brawn and maybe not as intelligent as the scientists, she is more street smart. That way the jokes are more diverse, everyone gets to play off of each other, and it still helps in how not every female is a scientist and there are different perspectives. Just saying - it might have helped!!!!!!!
This is an excellent review. The perfect analysis on why this movie didn't work and was just banking on the name of the original when it first came out 5 years ago.
Fun fact: Most of the problems with the movie's dialogue stem from the fact that the dialogue was mostly improv. Yeah, you heard me. They literally had No Script. Paul Feig just told the actors what scene they were doing, what was happening in said scene, and the plopped them in front of the camera.
I have to say, I’ve seen a number of reviewers ripping on _Ghostbusters: Afterlife_ for “blatant fan service” but then you look at this one, they brought in Slimer, Stay Puft, the firehouse and practically dragged members of the original cast back kicking and screaming for cameos in a vain attempt to get some of the original fan base on board!
Wow... I've never seen the film since its release because of how bad it was at the boxoffice and saw nonclip footage reviews of the movie for years. When I saw that ghost tits picture on the thumbnail, I thought it was fanmade to satire the feminism done wrong in the movie. But the fact that SOMEONE in the studio said to put THAT picture and use it in their official movie to act like its funnier than the original ghostbusters logo, really pisses me off. Thank you Bob and Raven for giving us your honest and relatable reasons why this movie sucks.
Your idea definitely reminds me a lot of Extreme Ghostbusters which I can dig, and also I theorize that Dan's character in this actually IS Ray, he's just moonlighting under a different job.
If you treat the name Feig as German or Yiddish, the “ei” sounds like the English word “eye.” Feig means fig I believe. Feigenbaum is a relatively common surname meaning fig tree.
OMG Raven, you look so good! Like super cute! Great glasses too. Bob, you can bust my ghost anytime and you look great too! Did you make that pack or did you buy a bobpropshop one like Phelous? Awesome review
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7:42 I see what you did there, reference to the line from the Original when the Ghostbusters were fired from the University. Difference there was the Busters actually acted like scientists.
I remember reading somewhere that Sony Pictures Animation was (or, still is??) working on an animated Ghostbusters movie and it was in the perspectives of the ghosts. That would have been way more interesting than this film.
If you wanted an all female team why not have them be the children of the og Ghostbusters having to live up to the families legacy? It would have the whole female empowerment actually have a point and not need to make everyone a dummy. The females would have to prove that they know their stuff and that being a female has nothing to do with getting the ghouls.
I think the big problem is that it's kind of addressing something then that wasn't a problem. They had female Ghostbusters before. They were never being kept out of the business. That theme just doesn't fit the series, because they didn't hate women.
@@emeryltekutsu4357 I get what you're saying however I wasn't thinking the parents would have been the issue I was thinking it would have been like the city not okay with an all-girls Ghostbusters team because one or two girls is fine whatever but an all-girls team is a completely different story
@@artfullyrandom8479 I get what you mean. It's just that trying to force their terrible themes into things never really works, because their ideas are awful. Their version of "female power" always depends on making everyone a horrific caricature, and doesn't even remotely show reality as it is right now. My sister-in-law works for the government, for example, and they give her difficult people to work with specifically because she's 1. Female 2. A minority which makes it a lot harder for them to accuse her of racism/sexism/etc. Women are getting such an unnecessary and unfair advantage at work right now (I know plenty of people who were told to 'hire women', even if there aren't any qualified women applying) that you can't really make a movie with that theme without it striking people as completely out of line with reality. When the government would not only jump at a chance to have an all female team, but promote the hell out of them to the world to show off how woke they are, it's hard work in the SJW's skewed version of reality. Although I think you're probably pretty much in agreement with me, because it's not like it's 'your idea', you're just trying to find a way to make their terrible idea work. Maybe having it set 20 years ago or something, before everyone was trying to brag that they hired women as if they deserve a cookie for doing that. I don't think it can be done convincingly if set in our current time.
@@Drixenol86 I was making a social comment about how for SOME reason any hate directed and a woman is instantly labeled as misogyny, but hateful statement or treatment of men can be done simply because they're men and no one says anything. Wasn't trying to call you anything.
The thing that pissed me off with this movie is that like raven said it trades one brand of sexism with an even worse form of sexism. You can’t make all of your male characters idiots, jerks, cowards, or assholes and still expect guys like me to like it.
The Ley Lines thing is a rip-off of the Ghostbusters Videogame mandala. Only that made more sense because it was circuity. this puts energy in a global network from a few, very close points.
Ugh miss Raven i know your pain so greatly, like you, i wanted to defend this movie so bad but after seeing how truly terrible it was i was just beyond frustrated, this could of been a legit rlly fun film and the 4 actresses are talented ladies who have been in better projects, so NONE of it was their fault, they deserved better direction and a better film to be in But on the bright side, Afterlife was a MASSIVE step up, so at least they learned from their mistakes
So many layers of wrong. Awesome review, but the film. I must admire you guys. Every scene, every single scene, has something either a fan of the franchise, or anyone else with sense, could gripe about, for an hour or more. How you were able to condense it into such a great review is nothing short of astounding.
5:50 Which is a big part of why this movie failed so hard...the filmmakers failed to see what it was that made the original so fun and endearing. Not so much the chemistry between the characters, but the chemistry between the actors who were all friends in real life; meaning they knew how to play off of each other. It was less of them playing characters and more just them playing as themselves. 7:40 That's okay. They're also terrible comedians. XD 18:35 I believe Winston was also supposed to be a Theology major...which while prudent to the subject of the paranormal was sadly never put to use in the franchise overall. 32:57 I'm genuinely mad that's not the movie we got. That would have been the most poignantly beautiful reference to the original films we ever could have gotten. Not only would it have referenced the originals, but it also would have paid homage to Harold Ramis' death.
Another reason why it failed, putting aside all drama, was that it had a ridiculous and needlessly high budget of $144 million(which btw was cut down from it original $169 million). It needed to make $300 million dollars just to break even and it only made a total of $229 million, making it a certified box office bomb. Not helping is the fact that comedies don't usually do too well in foreign markets and the Ghostbusters brand doesn't have the iconic status in many Eastern markets that it does here in the West. Heck, the movie wasn't even allowed to play in China due to its subject matter. So yeah, this movie was doomed to fail right from the start, with or without the controversy.
My applause to you two for giving this remake/spinoff the blasting it deserves. Let the box be its eternal prison! Who you gonna call? The REAL Ghostbusters!!
Why wasn't Leslie Jones the protagonist? Hear me out - the movie opens with Leslie seeing the electric chair ghost, and then the Ghostbusters who are already established show up and capture it. Being amazed by their research, she asks to join them. The rest of the movie is them all trying to prove themselves, with Leslie trying to figure out what she can add. You get a leaner film that differentiates itself from the original by having the outsider character drive the story and it is thematically improved as a remake.
Tbh to add to that cool idea of a ghostbusters sequel, why not have Egon voice by his cartoon counterpart as a cgi ghost if they want him to appear? It'll be a nice nod to the cartoon as well!
35:54 I mean, having a handheld ghost trap for a weapon works well enough for Luigi. ... and saying that, I think it also goes without saying that the cutscenes for Luigi's Mansion 3 put together make a far greater Ghostbusters movie than the 2016 movie.
I didn't hate 2016 but I can see why they needed to make Afterlife in 2021 to bring us back to the original continuity. One problem is people expected 2016 to be epic instead of just a weekend fun film. Which is all it was meant to be.
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why are there females being the ghostbusters.
Father Guido Sarducci, enough said
Chris Pratt plays an older Oscar. Thats all I got.
I was talking with my family this weekend about our dream team for the addams family. We came up with so many ideas
And Chris Rock plays Winstons Nephew.
"The old ghostbusters passing the torch to the new ones" is literally what I THOUGHT this movie was going to be about when it first came out
Looks like that's what we'll be getting with Ghostbusters: Afterlife.
That one trailer was misleading, eh.
At one point, I think that's what they were pitching it as.
We did eventually get that in Ghostbusters Afterlife.
James Rolfe was the ultimate chad during that whole fiasco. Made a video expressing his opinion and his choice, called every terrible name in the book and even his wife was called a gold digger, but he just went to bed and didn't even know it happened until 2 weeks later.
Agreed. Why spend your money if you know you're not going to like it?
That was as wrong as the people who attacked the cast and crew of the remake. It was stupid how people were being attacked foe their honest opinion and attacked for doing a job. There was plenty of blame to go around and neither side was right.
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I wouldn't have attacked the cast or crew. But from what I hear Leslie Jones is racist against white people.
@@creativerealms I'd disagree that neither side was right but for the sake of argument, I'm willing to let that slide. One side was definitely "more wrong" though. Fans of Ghostbusters put out their opinions on what many considered to be an awful trailer and were labeled en masse as sexist, bigoted manchildren unwilling to part with their childhood toys by prominent people working on the project.
Were there idiots out there clamoring that the remake was shit just because it featured female protagonists this time around? Sure, of course there were. But Sony and Paul Feig acted as if that was the entirety of the fanbase. They used that to brush aside any genuine questions and criticism. If anyone thinks that people focused too much on the "cause" behind the film, that's because they made it their cause.
Isn't it kind of sad how was somebody can be torn down only because they don't like a f****** movie no I didn't like it not because there weren't women or because there were women it's because of the stupid acting and the stupid way they did it that you $5 if I did a movie with me and my friends and we had a girl in there and the only thing she did was look pretty look at her nails and 90% of the time she was a dumbass that's basically what they did to the guy in this movie they made him nothing more than a stereotypical man be dumb which is not real feminism
33:00 And once again, Bobsheaux comes up with better movie ideas than the "professional" moviemakers.
You're absolutely right!
His pitch honestly just sounds like the plot of Extreme Ghostbusters but in reverse.
Bob needs to get a job in Hollywood
"There hasn't been a ghost sighting in 30 years"
That's all I have to say.
Funnily enough it wasn't the all women cast that bothered me while watching the movie, it was the horrible attempts at humor. In the original the jokes flowed perfectly with each scene, because they were geared towards certain characters. Each had their own personality with their own type of humor. With 2016 it was just random and unfunny.
It failed as a comedy. And that was a much bigger crime then the cast. Yet before the movie came out no one cared. No one was hating the film because it was a bad movie in the summer of 2016, because the movie wasn't out yet. They were attacking the film solely due to the cast and not the quality or lack of quality and that was a problem. I am a firm believer of only attacking something after you have seen it.
James was correct. His choice to not watch the movie because it wasn't interesting to him was his choice to make. He was not attacking the film and should not have been attacked for it.
It helped too that Harold Ramis, Dan Ackroyd, and Bill Murray were friends in real life and knew how to play off each other to get a laugh.
@@cartooncritique6625 And also that they acted as if they were having some amount of fun.
Yeah, that's the _real_ flaw of this movie.
It tries so hard to be funny, that it trades quirkiness in place of any attempts at writing or character development.
Which makes the film so much worse as a fault.
It's why I never liked The Cat in The Hat, Holmes & Watson, or Jack & Jill, because they aren't funny nor entertaining in the slightest.
My main problem with this movie was the hoopla before it even came out. If Sony didn't open their mouth during the marketing to stir the pot, it would still be a lackluster comedy. But it was worse since the pre-movie marketing made it worse.
I think it says a lot that the new Charlie’s Angels, Baywatch, Starsky & Hutch, The Green Hornet, Chips and The Lone Ranger movies were all also lacklustre reboots of popular franchises but didn’t get anywhere near the shellacking this one did because they didn’t court controversy to the same extent.
Get woke, go broke.
Even with an all male team of Ghostbusters, this movie still wouldn't have pleased people. The gender of the characters shouldn't matter at all, unless you can actually do something with it plot-wise. Though, I figure stirring up controversy with cries of sexism was the main marketing ploy for this film, since they probably didn't have much confidence in the quality of the writing itself. Way to go, Hollywood...
The whole "LOOK WE HAVE WOMEN" thing always seems to be a marketing ploy for bad movies / books / whatever.
If your best selling point is that you have characters that are women and NOT how good their acting is or something, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. For example, Terminator 2. A lot of people praise Linda Hamilton NOT because "she's a woman", but because of how hard she worked to get the proper physique to pull off such a character realistically AND the great acting.
Those are both praiseworthy things because she had to put a lot of effort into them, whereas being born a woman takes 0 effort. And I don't recall people having an issue with Sarah Connor or Ripley, or even someone like Clementine in the Walking Dead games. People like these characters because they're good, and they're more than happy to root for a tiny little girl to beat up zombies because they like her.
Also, main character in Ghostbusters Afterlife seems to be a young girl, too, and yet people are excited for it.
Cries of misogyny, racism, etc are usually worthy of eye-rolling these days. When you get newspaper articles talking about how Larry Elder is a white supremacist, you really have an extremist group of people who make 0 sense and only have one go-to argument when they're upset.
I do think making it an entire genderswap came across as try-hard. And honestly, it wasn't a good film. It felt like a team of moms in some book club saw Ghostbusters then wrote a crappy self-insertion fanfic.
@@bbureau12 Yeah. I mean, it's good for media to give more representation to women, minorities, or whoever. But when you place more importance on trying to be "inclusive" rather than making a good story, you're not helping anyone. Like, if you make a movie that's supposed highlight a certain group of people; claiming it's important simply because it includes them, but it turns out to be a garbage film, what does it look like you're saying about those people?
But of course, there are production companies that couldn't care less, as long as they make money.
@@TheSomewareMan This film honestly felt like a self-insertion fanfic. It's like a bunch of moms in some midwestern book club saw the 84 original, and said "hey, we could write a story like that."
It's like yeah, you COULD have told a fun story with an all-female team... but ya didn't. It wasn't terrible. It was just very bland.
The way you worked Harold Ramis' death into your movie pitch was genius!
Also Bob's most popular review is "Cool Cat Saves The Kids", when is he gonna bite the bullet and review "Cool Cat Stops Coronavirus"? Yes that exists, and Derek Savage is now the voice of the cat.
....you're messing with us, right? Right?!
@@theshipper5797 I wish I was. th-cam.com/video/Vu--Hp0JUUg/w-d-xo.html
I'm still waiting for that review
This needs to be at the top.
Thanks for giving me a metal image of Cool Cat stopping coronavirus all by himself, Derek Savage! 😄
Just saying, Extreme Ghostbusters did the concept of a female Ghostbuster *MUCH* better than this movie.
Agreed
They were so quick to forget that there were female Ghostbusters before.
I hope Ghostbusters Afterlife is good
Funny thing Diversity Ghostbusters was HATED back in the day. Only after people researched and reevaluated Extreme Ghostbusters did opinions change on the show. Yes it was a great show.
@@jonahabenhaim1223 Well, early reactions are positive.
Bobsheaux hearing you pitch ideas for better movies is just pleasing to listen to.
This movie has all the humor and pain of a snake bite.
I felt just like the ghosts: dead inside.
And...HOW DAREST THEY INSULT THE MIGHT OF THE THUNDERER, THOR!?! BAH! BAH I SAY! MAY TROLLS FEAST ON YOUR ENTRAILS, PAUL FIEGE!
Wow, that was a Quick escape from the copyright gulag.
Being a GhostBusters fan since 2001 and watching re-runs of Real Ghostbusters and Extreme Ghostbusters.
I remember the sh*t show that was the publicity from this movie, I still have war flashbacks, It's like Sony went full Skinner like:
“Are we insulting our fanbase by calling them sexist for not watching our reboot?”
“No, It's the fans who are wrong”
And then the movie bombed.
I think movies need to learn that you can have your characters make weird or stupid jokes without actually making them look like utter morons. In the OG Ghostbusters, even with the more out there quips and jokes, the humor was still consistent with the characters involved. Compare Ray sliding down the fire pole and exclaiming that he loves this location because sliding down the pole like a Fireman is fun to 2016's cast devolving into barely audible children hooting about the location while humping the room. Ray's reaction has a bit of a child-like element to his logic, but he's still treated as an adult having fun. 2016's is just the cast being loud and obnoxious because the joke is just that they're acting immature and hyperactive despite how dumb it makes them look.
Though this was more important in the OG Ghostbusters because the tone was much more grounded overall despite the supernatural element, the guys were basically exterminators.
Personally, I never had an issue with the fact that the team was made up of women this time around, I love the idea of alternate timelines, universes, etc. What *was* my issue however is that they couldn't live up to what we had before, with them trying too hard to be funny. Hopefully Afterlife fixes this.
A lot of humor in the originals was subdued. 2016 felt like slapstick Three Stooges comedy.
Even the video game had little things that it didn't point out to the audience, like Egon literally trembling while that spider lady was there. No one had to stop and point out, "HEY, YOU'RE TREMBLING" to try and make sure everyone caught it. It's just there, and if you're paying attention you notice it.
Let me guess you have read the comics.
16:42 I can't believe they wasted Chris Harmsworth's talent in this Crap he was better as Thor for crying out loud
Are you from Sandro?
Me too.
Fun fact: in the extended version, Holtzmann (Kate McKinnon) did have her "don't cross the streams" spiel while they were busting Mayhem the dragon ghost at the Stonebrook theater. The "Crossing the Streams" part comes back at the final battle when Rowan (in his evil Ghostbusters logo form) starts his rampage and they did acknowledge that it's dangerous but worth a shot of closing the portal like in the original film. They did cross the streams, but it didn't work unlike the original film where it did work. My guess is Sony wanted to be like the original film but don't want to be like the original film at the same time hense why the "crossing the streams" parts were cut in the theatrical cut.
At least Ghostbusters: Afterlife is on the horizon. 'Cause that upcoming film is like a can of air freshener after someone took a nasty sh*t (Ghostbusters 2016).
Hmmm…I wonder what kind of flavor scent that air freshener might be. Nostalgic Pine I hope.
So…wait. If Holtzmann DID mention not to cross the streams, but they tried it and it DIDN’T work…why did they even mention it in the first place?
I come from the future. Afterlife failed us
@@SuperSwordman1 What? Oh, you must be from one of those parallel Earths I keep hearing about. Well on this Earth, Afterlife was very well received by audiences (myself included) and made more than enough money on a budget about half that off the 2016 movie that ensures a sequel will be incoming.
What happened on your Earth?
@@what0080 sorry, guess I should say afterlife failed for me. I thought it was pretty bad.
When people bring this movie back up, I am reminded of what Adam West once said.
"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb"
I imagine the Real Ghostbusters 1986-1991 versions of the busters after seeing this. Peter: I feel betrayed Egon: I feel insulted Winston: I was mentally injured Ray I cried. Slimer: I blubblub hated it.
I honestly have a whole idea on how to fix this mess of a movie. I like your version of the movie Bob, but I have an alternate version.
1) Make Wiggs' the granddaughter of Bill Murray's character. The daughter of the baby, Oscar, from Ghostbusters 2. Have her being obsessed with the paranormal from her grandfather's glory days of a Ghostbuster. But her mother (and paying respects to the Oscar's actor is no longer with us), is against all of this paranormal stuff, because that resulted in the death of her father when she was a toddler. That way, we have an inner family conflict for character development.
2) Make McCarthy's character and McKinnion Ghostbuster fangirls. To where they want to revamp them, but is also too busy gushing about how the originals were so amazing and is self-sabotoging themselves and the group. McCarthy is more interested in everything being as scientific as possible and McKinnion is more obsessed with the paranormal.
3) Jones is the skeptic with the ghost encounter, but still joins because of the ghost counters had her being fired from her job from the boss' thinking she went crazy.
4) Have Hemworth be the nephew of Louis Tully. To where he's gotten this job because McCarthy and McKinnion wanted him only for that reason.
5) Have Bill Murray offer his services as a mentor for his Granddaughter's revival of the team.
6) Have the mayor and the lawyer from Ghostbusters 2 hear about the revival of the team and plot to disband them.
7) Keep the Roan guy as a villain, but have him in cohorts with the Mayor and Lawyer. Thus leading to the climax.
8) During the climax could be an emotional as well as an actionpack. With Wiggs' mother trying to prevent her daughter from going to fight, and when she does, Bill takes up the mantel and ends up passing away. Thus having Wiggs prove to her mom and save the city with the rest of the group.
9) There, Wiggs' mom reconciles with her daughter and accepts her interests and the continuing of the Ghostbusters, McCarthy learns that analyzing everything to an exact instant doesnt lead to the results that she wants, McKillion learns the paranormal isn't all fun and exciting as she expects, Jones becomes a true believer and refuses taking her old job back to stay a ghostbuster. Hemworth is freed from the possession, and his connection to Tully leads him to give the Ghostbusters more resources. Also keep the government trying to cover up the attack and the lawyer still threatening to sue for the damages of the city, but everyone ignores him.
Happy ending all around. Sorry for long comment, but I had this idea running in my mind since I saw this movie. Hopefully Ghostbusters: Afterlife is better. Amazing review as always Bob and Raven!
Lol that intro was great.
Edit: "magic twat wand" that caught me off guard 😂
*takes a bow* You're welcome. ;)
I think one issue i had with this movie is how they push the All Female Leads angle by having every male character annoying, stupid or just evil. There are no smart or good guys in this movie. Like why make Chris's character the dumb secretary? Janine was no blonde bimbo, she was wicked smart!
That's one of my pet peeves with modern Hollywood these days. If you want to make a female empowerment film, that's fine, but what's the point of being empowered when you're putting down every single male character in your movie?
@@michaelstrong5383 exactly. the fact that only Ernie Hudson as the uncle is the only good male character says a lot about this film and, i must say this, i had no issues with an all female Ghostbusters team. i just find it odd they all kind of have the same personality at that but also kind of get the same origin story except for Leslie's character, who just joins because she saw it go down and could be the street wise, grounded character of the group, just like Winston was, but even then she gets tied down with her trying to make a case, being the most grounded of the group, but still being roped in as "you need to stop being crazy for ghosts".
and honestly, the Women Empowerment didn't need them shooting the main villain in the god damn balls! it's stupid!
A former girlfriend of mine begged me to watch this movie with her when it came out on home video. I did so in a foolish attempt to be a good boyfriend.
I didn’t crack a smile once during the entire film and at the end she asked me what I thought. I told her:
“This movie makes PHILADELPHIA seem like AIRPLANE! by comparison.”
I really like the idea of Egon contacting his still living compatriots from the other side to warn them of danger followed up by the remaining original team members mentoring a new group of Ghostbusters. I also would like to expand on the idea of a portable version of that cannister that traps ghosts.
I think it would be a really great passing the torch moment if because of the original team's mentorship the new team is able to put together the portable version and adapt it into the rest of the film somehow. Maybe they even have them work off of Egon's old notes that they found to facilitate the breakthrough?
Those are just a couple of details I thought I would share to sort of add potential layers to the ideas they could've come up with. I love your work Bob, especially the ideas for movie improvements you come up with. Thanks again for everything you and Raven do. Happy Bobsheaux-Ween you guys! :D
I wish Sony made a movie version of "Extreme Ghostbusters" instead of this. That show had actual humor, scary ghosts, and interesting characters.
33:01, Bob's idea for Ghostbusters 3 was SO MUCH BETTER!
Edit: I mean compared to Ghostbusters 2016.
Ghostbusters: The Videogame is the TRUE 3rd story.
the game is canon, but eggum, *cough* Ghostbusters Afterlife is Ghostbusters 3 *cough cough cough* cough!!
Unpopular opinion: I didn't mind this movie, it was more meh for me... some jokes I found funny, I love the actresses in this movie, some jokes were dumbly obvious, i liked the action packed theme cameo, the cameos were okay by me... if you asked me which I'd prefer, I'd go for the 80's version hands down, but I think this movie is overhated if you ask me, fun review as always, guys! And I'm itchin' to see Ghostbusters Afterlife very soon
I would tend to agree. The movie was the equivalent of a stale rice cake. It's bland and doesn't fill you up, but isn't offensively terrible. I doubt anyone would even remember it if it weren't for the awful marketing... which was probably intentional.
I like the opening you guys did
Well, at least the franchise has another chance to thrive again with the impending release of Afterlife, right?
Yeah, and the early reviews for that one seem good
And it has Ant Man himself Paul Rudd🐜
And it's directed by Jason Reitman, who is the son of Ivan Reitman, the director of the first two Ghostbusters films.
Yeah
I'm here to confirm that Afterlife is a massive upgrade over the 2016 mess
Here before the copyright strike! Yay!
I hear this in cool cat voice
Who you gonna call? Feigbusters?
I like the Ghostbusters reboot idea you pitched Bobsheaux. Sure is a lot better than what we got
"Who you gonna call? Someone else"- Dan Aykroyd from "Casper" (1995).😊
I love your opening and the suit up. That's how it is done. Not like the 2016 movie my girlfriend and I wanted more ghost busters in it. The problem wasn't them being female, we both would have like a hex girls or a hocus pocus like all female cast. This was about them losing the style, the heart, and the soul of ghost busting. They can't keep the male bashing down for a full minute or have fun. Hope Afterlife is ... fine?
Bobsheaux's Ghostbusters pitch gave me some chills.
I'm both a scientist (an ecologist, specifically) and I've been on a few paranormal investigations. As bad as this movie is, I don't mind the all female casting: 1) women outnumber men in some fields of science, including mine, and psychology, which parapsychology is generally considered a derivative of; and 2) paranormal investigations tend to attract more women than men. In the '80's, yeah, but not far off today.
Speaking as a veterinarian, I see absolutely nothing abnormal with the idea of even a multiple specialty 24-hour emergency service hospital staffed entirely by women. It is not all that uncommon in my particular STEM-based medical career.
Similarly, it is not the idea that four people who all happen to have vaginas decided to go into paranormal investigation that seemed off to me with the 2016 movie. (It's 4 people, not a freaking university department.) The real problems came with verbal diarrhea adlib riffing that no one seemed to care to edit, maintaining the original office place 4:1 gender dynamic (albeit in a quite subpar version) with a blonde himbo secretary that would have made Janine Melnitz plotz, and switching from having true scares in their (granted very slightly) horror-comedy to gross out humor. It just wasn't a very good movie. Gender had nothing to do with it.
I love the intro to your video. Frankly the film makers should have made a movie adaptation of The EXTREME Ghost Busters
42:08-42:34 And the award for most creative way of tossing a movie into The Box goes to…
I think Chris Hemsworth was thinking in the back of his mind “When will this film be over so I can go film Thor: Ragnarok?”
If you guys hated this film, you'll HATE the Mummy reboot with Tom Cruise.
Honestly forgot that was a thing
Why would you remind me that exists?
@Jurassic Hero I didn't even watch it because after I saw the trailer I knew it would suck. Can't we all agree that 1999 The Mummy with Brendan Frasier was the best remake of the 1932 film.
no, theyll laugh with it
Little side thing: Why do the ghosts appear in this movie? What's the cause of the supernatural outbreak in New York? In GB 1 & 2, it was explained WHY ghosts were showing up. In GB 1, the ghosts were all popping up because of the approach of Gozer, while in GB 2, it was the result of Vigo and the mood slime.
I feel like I dodged the bullet on my 20th birthday by not asking my mom if she could take me to watch this film.
As a feminist too, I also agree with you on what you said about the movie, despite your... Proton pack. The main problem with this is that it's trying to be all "woke" with the all female cast.
Never thought a scene with Chris Hemsworth in it could give me such a headache.
Also I hate Kristen Wigg and Melissa McCarthy.
I need to watch the Thor trilogy and Ghostbusters 1&2 again to cleanse from this movie.
Zombieland lies to Us
Garfield was not Bill Murray's worst Movie!
If they wanted to do an all-female ghostbusters group, why not have at least 2 of them be scientists - one being mad-scientist-like and the inventor and the other more practical and stern - then the other lady could be the ghost researcher/supernatural expert but an artist, and the other lady more brawn and maybe not as intelligent as the scientists, she is more street smart. That way the jokes are more diverse, everyone gets to play off of each other, and it still helps in how not every female is a scientist and there are different perspectives.
Just saying - it might have helped!!!!!!!
This is an excellent review. The perfect analysis on why this movie didn't work and was just banking on the name of the original when it first came out 5 years ago.
Literally the extreme ghostbusters is a better sequel to the ghostbuster series along with afterlife
Fun fact: Most of the problems with the movie's dialogue stem from the fact that the dialogue was mostly improv. Yeah, you heard me. They literally had No Script. Paul Feig just told the actors what scene they were doing, what was happening in said scene, and the plopped them in front of the camera.
The jokes are the equivalent of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing stuck. LOL
I have to say, I’ve seen a number of reviewers ripping on _Ghostbusters: Afterlife_ for “blatant fan service” but then you look at this one, they brought in Slimer, Stay Puft, the firehouse and practically dragged members of the original cast back kicking and screaming for cameos in a vain attempt to get some of the original fan base on board!
Came here before the new ghostbusters movie “Ghostbusters afterlife” comes out next month
Wow...
I've never seen the film since its release because of how bad it was at the boxoffice and saw nonclip footage reviews of the movie for years. When I saw that ghost tits picture on the thumbnail, I thought it was fanmade to satire the feminism done wrong in the movie. But the fact that SOMEONE in the studio said to put THAT picture and use it in their official movie to act like its funnier than the original ghostbusters logo, really pisses me off.
Thank you Bob and Raven for giving us your honest and relatable reasons why this movie sucks.
No truer words have been spoken in an intro to a video - good job, Bob!
Who are you gonna call ?
BOBSHEAUX!
Your idea definitely reminds me a lot of Extreme Ghostbusters which I can dig, and also I theorize that Dan's character in this actually IS Ray, he's just moonlighting under a different job.
Raven: Can we just pretend the whole movie didn't happen?
Afterlife: We're working on it.
I'm crossing my fingers that Ghostbusters Afterlife will be the better reboot
If you treat the name Feig as German or Yiddish, the “ei” sounds like the English word “eye.” Feig means fig I believe. Feigenbaum is a relatively common surname meaning fig tree.
It's sad that a year before this film, he served as a producer for Blue Sky Studio's adaptation of the Peanuts.
That ghostbuster idea you pitched I would totally watch
Raven your outfit is ON POINT
OMG Raven, you look so good! Like super cute! Great glasses too. Bob, you can bust my ghost anytime and you look great too! Did you make that pack or did you buy a bobpropshop one like Phelous? Awesome review
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7:42 I see what you did there, reference to the line from the Original when the Ghostbusters were fired from the University. Difference there was the Busters actually acted like scientists.
Thankfully Afterlife proved that Ghost Corps studio can work. Thank You Ivan Reitmen.
The damned coffee scene may just be the first thing I've ever watched that caused me to let out an audible "EEWWW". hahaha
Raven: who are you gonna call? The real Ghostbusters?
Me, and the comment section: OOOOOOOOOooooooooooOoOOooooooOoOoO!
Welp, let's just say Ghostbusters Afterlife is the true sequel than this, so apparently Ghostbusters 2016 is non-canon. Whoopee..
Apparently Slimer is a reference to the dead Belushi brother
16:42 damn, Thor has not been taking his banishment from Asgard very well..
They brought Chris Hemsworth into this movie. Why!?
I'm shocked that we've never got an animated Ghostbusters movie
That would have been awesome.
I remember reading somewhere that Sony Pictures Animation was (or, still is??) working on an animated Ghostbusters movie and it was in the perspectives of the ghosts. That would have been way more interesting than this film.
@@michaelstrong5383 that's neat
I like this movie, but I understand where you're coming from.
If you wanted an all female team why not have them be the children of the og Ghostbusters having to live up to the families legacy? It would have the whole female empowerment actually have a point and not need to make everyone a dummy. The females would have to prove that they know their stuff and that being a female has nothing to do with getting the ghouls.
I think the big problem is that it's kind of addressing something then that wasn't a problem. They had female Ghostbusters before. They were never being kept out of the business. That theme just doesn't fit the series, because they didn't hate women.
(Sorry, kind of laughing now thinking of Egon putting up a "NO GIRLS ALLOWED" sign.)
@@emeryltekutsu4357 I get what you're saying however I wasn't thinking the parents would have been the issue I was thinking it would have been like the city not okay with an all-girls Ghostbusters team because one or two girls is fine whatever but an all-girls team is a completely different story
@@artfullyrandom8479 I get what you mean. It's just that trying to force their terrible themes into things never really works, because their ideas are awful.
Their version of "female power" always depends on making everyone a horrific caricature, and doesn't even remotely show reality as it is right now. My sister-in-law works for the government, for example, and they give her difficult people to work with specifically because she's
1. Female
2. A minority
which makes it a lot harder for them to accuse her of racism/sexism/etc. Women are getting such an unnecessary and unfair advantage at work right now (I know plenty of people who were told to 'hire women', even if there aren't any qualified women applying) that you can't really make a movie with that theme without it striking people as completely out of line with reality.
When the government would not only jump at a chance to have an all female team, but promote the hell out of them to the world to show off how woke they are, it's hard work in the SJW's skewed version of reality.
Although I think you're probably pretty much in agreement with me, because it's not like it's 'your idea', you're just trying to find a way to make their terrible idea work. Maybe having it set 20 years ago or something, before everyone was trying to brag that they hired women as if they deserve a cookie for doing that. I don't think it can be done convincingly if set in our current time.
Proved your point, Bobsheaux. I just now heard about your Joker review
Calls the fans misogynists and yet their film is misandrist.
Well for some reason you're allowed to blatantly hate men
@@SuperSwordman1 I’m one of the fans who was mysogynist! I don’t hate men! My childhood friends were boys!
@@Drixenol86 I was making a social comment about how for SOME reason any hate directed and a woman is instantly labeled as misogyny, but hateful statement or treatment of men can be done simply because they're men and no one says anything. Wasn't trying to call you anything.
The thing that pissed me off with this movie is that like raven said it trades one brand of sexism with an even worse form of sexism. You can’t make all of your male characters idiots, jerks, cowards, or assholes and still expect guys like me to like it.
Women like me don't like it either. Feminism is about equality, not domination.
@@RavenFoxAudio thanks raven.
Exactly. It's hypocritical that Paul Feig called everyone misogynist trolls for not liking the movie when the movie had Misandry written all over it.
that was an AWESOME review BOB and RAVEN. thank you so much for looking at this movie. this video made my year.
That intro is gold.
The Ley Lines thing is a rip-off of the Ghostbusters Videogame mandala. Only that made more sense because it was circuity. this puts energy in a global network from a few, very close points.
Ugh miss Raven i know your pain so greatly, like you, i wanted to defend this movie so bad but after seeing how truly terrible it was i was just beyond frustrated, this could of been a legit rlly fun film and the 4 actresses are talented ladies who have been in better projects, so NONE of it was their fault, they deserved better direction and a better film to be in
But on the bright side, Afterlife was a MASSIVE step up, so at least they learned from their mistakes
Must be a Ghostbustersheaux!
Wow... this review was just sad. Raven, you and Bob should not have had to suffer like that. I am so sorry.
P.S. this movie should burn in Tartarus
Yeah it's bobsheauxween!! 🎃
37:51 I can’t stop watching 😆
Nice grab!
If Raven thought this movie was bad, I'd sure hate to see how she'd react to Charlie's Angels 2019.
You're going to give the box indigestion
So many layers of wrong. Awesome review, but the film. I must admire you guys. Every scene, every single scene, has something either a fan of the franchise, or anyone else with sense, could gripe about, for an hour or more. How you were able to condense it into such a great review is nothing short of astounding.
Here's hoping the New new Ghostbusters will be better. Maybe? 🙏
5:50 Which is a big part of why this movie failed so hard...the filmmakers failed to see what it was that made the original so fun and endearing. Not so much the chemistry between the characters, but the chemistry between the actors who were all friends in real life; meaning they knew how to play off of each other. It was less of them playing characters and more just them playing as themselves.
7:40 That's okay. They're also terrible comedians. XD
18:35 I believe Winston was also supposed to be a Theology major...which while prudent to the subject of the paranormal was sadly never put to use in the franchise overall.
32:57 I'm genuinely mad that's not the movie we got. That would have been the most poignantly beautiful reference to the original films we ever could have gotten. Not only would it have referenced the originals, but it also would have paid homage to Harold Ramis' death.
Another reason why it failed, putting aside all drama, was that it had a ridiculous and needlessly high budget of $144 million(which btw was cut down from it original $169 million). It needed to make $300 million dollars just to break even and it only made a total of $229 million, making it a certified box office bomb. Not helping is the fact that comedies don't usually do too well in foreign markets and the Ghostbusters brand doesn't have the iconic status in many Eastern markets that it does here in the West. Heck, the movie wasn't even allowed to play in China due to its subject matter. So yeah, this movie was doomed to fail right from the start, with or without the controversy.
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My applause to you two for giving this remake/spinoff the blasting it deserves. Let the box be its eternal prison! Who you gonna call? The REAL Ghostbusters!!
Unfortunately we can't call the REAL team, they were just a cartoon.
It’s funny that the idea you pitched is almost (keyword almost) exactly what Ghostbusters afterlife was
Why wasn't Leslie Jones the protagonist? Hear me out - the movie opens with Leslie seeing the electric chair ghost, and then the Ghostbusters who are already established show up and capture it. Being amazed by their research, she asks to join them. The rest of the movie is them all trying to prove themselves, with Leslie trying to figure out what she can add. You get a leaner film that differentiates itself from the original by having the outsider character drive the story and it is thematically improved as a remake.
Paul Feig doesn't like your idea. He thinks this is great and anyone who doesn't like it is just a manbaby.
I think I figures out the problem with this film. Its not a reboot, its a parody that somehow was allowed to use the official product's name.
33:21 This sounds similar to the Ghostbusters Afterlife film
Tbh to add to that cool idea of a ghostbusters sequel, why not have Egon voice by his cartoon counterpart as a cgi ghost if they want him to appear? It'll be a nice nod to the cartoon as well!
35:54 I mean, having a handheld ghost trap for a weapon works well enough for Luigi.
... and saying that, I think it also goes without saying that the cutscenes for Luigi's Mansion 3 put together make a far greater Ghostbusters movie than the 2016 movie.
I didn't hate 2016 but I can see why they needed to make Afterlife in 2021 to bring us back to the original continuity. One problem is people expected 2016 to be epic instead of just a weekend fun film. Which is all it was meant to be.
It's not even a weekend fun movie
I still stand by the fact that I didn’t find this reboot the first time watched it.