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I owned a 1987 Accord (bought used), 1994 Accord (bought used), 2001 Accord (bought new), and now I own a 2012 Accord (bought new). One general feature: they never break. I am not counting regular maintenance, and replacing normal wear items (tires, brakes, wiper blades). I traded away the 2001 at 200,000 Kms (125,000 miles) on the original clutch (all were manual transmission). Incredible cars !
John Thompson; I hope you didn’t have the V6 version of the 02 Accord because it had tons of transmission problems even a class action lawsuit between 1998 and 2005 V6 versions of Honda’s and Acura’s.
My old rabbit had a million miles on it and my wife made me trade. I'm older now and got the passat this time. My daughter drove it and was so impressed, she traded her old jetta for one. I drove honda, nissan, and toyota, before buying, but none compared to the solid feel and quality of the VW. When I sat down an started it up, I didn't need a test drive to know I was going to buy another vw.
Nicholas Flamel So
***** Dunno....I've only had five, and never had to do any maintainence except brake shoes. They usually go 2 to 3 hundred K without even using Oil. I stay away from the turbos and diesels.
+Aertraveller I've had 4 Volkswagens and never had any troubles.... my sister had 1 Honda and had to trade in for a Lexus
My 99 Passat 186,000 miles and going strong
The Accord is a very nice car. After looking at both of these cars, the Passat won it for me. This is my first German car and I can definitely feel a difference in quality. The ride quality and performance does feel like I am driving Audi or BMW. I do like the clean German design. The car does stand out from the land of Camry's and Accords.
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3:56 "Rev it, rev it" lmao
The Accord is a very nice car. After looking at both of these cars, the Passat won it for me. This is my first German car and I can definitely feel a difference in quality. I love the way it handles around corners without any sway. The only thing I wish the Passat had are paddle shifters. In my opinion, the Passat is the drivers car.
I picked up a 2012 Passat SE that had paddle shifters. That's weird that they're not on the 2013.
Your also going to feel the difference in expensive repair bills as well
The last two minutes summary of this video exemplifies exactly why I subscribe to this channel. In the wash of so many "professional" review channels that always say whats good about a car and pretty much explains the same exact thing- having a true subjective opinion is hard to find. I think most people who watch videos like this get that there aren't too many really bad cars out there but at the same time, don't want to be recycled with the same lines in how every car is "great" over and over.
I think the accord sport is a sweet spot with this car. The prices jump $3k with each stage and each stage some how notches out those critical features for people. Navigation for example. Even the Acura is another 3k bump over the Accord. I find it funny how you pick the accord touring at $4k more than the EX-L when they are almost the same car. Yet you missed the biggest feature of the touring which is the adaptive cruise control. The cruise control on the touring will maintain your speed with the car in front of you up to the point of a complete and even a panic stop. I have used it following off a ramp at 70 mph and lane changed into a lane with stopped cars and the car easily adjusted and quickly slowed to a complete stop without touching the pedals. If you change lanes to a open lane the car will resume your set speed that you can change at any time. I find the departure warnings only helpful on the highway but if you have a teen that isn't always paying attention this could save their lives. Also the crash tests and safety enhancements are groundbreaking. The car melds aluminum for light weight with hard steel for cabin safety. With a car like this with the options properly set you shouldn't be able to hit something and any real speed. It even has accident alert. This car is faster than the 2014 v6 300hp mustang by almost 1 second. This won't be the case in 2015 but I'm betting Honda will up the Accord to the direct injection engine. The center console is a bit confusing and I bet I could clean it up but it sells cars to people like me. I find it better to separate the features so you don't have to be distracted by switch screens and changing focus from the knobs to the screen up high (which is well placed) to fiddle with the radio. This is not perfect but well thought out. There would be a set of radio controls without the touch screen anyways. The climate is dual zone and very simple to adjust. The analog clock in the Passat says it all. My one any only gripe about the Honda is the rear seat split. Other car companies need to step up their game when your competing against a best in all classes car company like Honda. Hell even their lawn mowers rule.
The only way the Passat makes sense is the diesel.
Not hating on honda, but i just don't like it, it doesnt have any emotions, and yes the latest problems with volkswagens are known, but the newest models are definetly a lot better, than the latest versions (2008 - 2012) the reason everyone loves vws so much is, because the quality is so damn well. Put someone that doesn't care about cars at all in the honda, and after that in the passat, the quality and feeling you get in the passat is just unbelievable. For the same price as the honda
No...
volkswagenporsche gek both are good
Until the vw breaks which it will then you'll be paying Audi service price for a vw...no thanks
@Brandon Friesen, which midsize sedan do you love to drive the most? - Dave
if VW was truly unreliable, then why would most major cities in China use them as taxicabs and police cars? Shanghai VW still makes the passat B2, rebadged and modernized as the Santana. it has been used as taxis ever since it first came out in the 80's. These cars can and do go up to 700,000 miles or more, amazing when you consider how hard these miles are (hours of traffic jams, hard acceleration, extensive idling with the A/C on full, etc.) bulletproof designs.
@everymandriver Great review. I like how informative both of you are, and appreciate the honesty. There is a new Mazda 6 out and it seems like a strong competitor for The Accord. Is there any chance of a comparison?
At least the Passat is affordable and has a high quality interior. Also much more fuel efficient with its 1.8 turbo
"This is where they keep the spare tire." Except, there's no spare tire.
Seriously though, I love your videos. Great job.
@senorgato70, something must be wrong with your computer or video player. The video is 13:34 - Dave
i love this video!!! great job guys
The TDI Passat is the only way to go. I had a 2013 and I kick myself everyday for getting rid of it. The VR6 is a nice motor. I had a VR6 in a 2001 Jetta, and it was WONDERFUL....when it worked. I think I payed for the car twice before I got rid of it. I love VWs, I've have 3 of them in the last 5 years and the Passat TDI was by far the best.
Can't wait for you guys to test the new Mazda6. It looks so good and has won all the comparisons against other sedans that I have found.
In Canada the basic warranty on the Passat is 48 months and only 36 months on the Accord. This could make a big difference if you are locked into a 48 month lease and the car needs repairs between 36 months and 48 months. Also the corrosion warranty on the Passat is 144 months and only 60 months on the Accord. This could make a big difference if you plan to keep the car for a long time and live in a snowy climate like I do.
It’s funny in Europe, uk in particular the Volkswagen wouldn’t waste its breath on a Honda.
Please can you make a comparison between the Vw Cc 2014 and Honda Accord 2014 pleasee
Those mixed numbers are numbers we experienced during our testing - Dave
Thanks for the video as we are seriously considering a Passat, but would have preferred a trim package closer in price to the Accord shown. The V6 SEL Premium is basically the same price and has quite a bit more features.
Would that have changed anyone's opinion???
I'm with you Dave, 278 horses all the way! But I do see Alex's point of view. Excellent review guys, keep it up!
Hey guys - Passat se with the V6 or stretch to a CC with the turbo 4?
many thanks @DancinRandy54 - Dave
You are right. Volkswagen has the most cars they've sold, still on the road today than any other car company. Hondas will last but not as long as a VW. Some will say VW's are unreliable but they thing is that they put out more lemons than any other car maker since Mercedes in the late 1990's to early 2000's. Once the lemons are gone, VW's will run longer than a honda or toyota.
I was hoping he would pop out of the trunk at 8:30😂😂😂
yeah. that low end torque does wonders. I drove a VW Sharan minivan as a rental car in Europe. It had a 2.0TSI, 200hp and I was amazed that it had an inline four. It feels like a V6. VW's 1.4TSI in the Touran mini-MPV is a real piece of engineering, 170hp from a tiny 1.4!!!! It has a supercharger and a turbocharger, a setup first pioneered by Lancia.
Oh look, the Honda also has a Red/orange dipstick handle.
Nice one, guys!
For increased flexibility. If you have one item that needs to fit in the trunk, but is just barely making it, and you have 4 people in the car - you can fold down one seat while still having room for the other 2 people with seat belts. Whereas in the new Accord, you can't fold just one section of the seats down, its an all or nothing deal.
I concur with the poster, million of driver and i mean million had always narrow it down to the Accord and Camry, yet I have seen no comparison between these 2 best selling vehicle, its mind boggling.
Honda Accord is a drivers car! This blonde white guy is so caught up in his "German everything" in life; Incredibly biased and everything he says is from his personal beliefs and perspective! What an amateur critic. Don't take him seriously! He's just hating on the Japanese because they practically manufacture everything so well.
That's exactly the point. Hondas are transportation appliances. People who buy a car with their emotions involved are more likely to go with a VW over a Honda. Everyone knows German cars are drivers cars, while Japanese cars are dependable appliances with no soul.
palebeachbum I disagree. Hondas aren't "appliances" for transportation. They are a million times better than VW. Do you think the people would dream of getting VW over a Honda anyday? No way. The whole planet knows Japanese cars are real drivers cars. Which brands do you see mostly on the road? Exactly, Japanese cars. They have soul if people keep coming to buy them because they are amazing cars. German cars are boring and break down so easily. I see my local VW dealership so deserted while I always see lots of people at my local Honda dealership.
MatTZI014 Plus germen cars break down nearly as twice as fast then any GM or Ford and are way more expensive in repairs or parts and parts and shops that deal with germen cars are so hard to find.
***** Being reliable and being an engaging car to drive are two totally different things. A car that drives superbly isn't necessarily reliable (VW). Just the same, a car that is very reliable isn't necessarily engaging to drive (Honda). Personally, I'd rather drive the Passat. Accords are a dime a dozen. Too generic for my liking.
***** Not to burst your bubble, but in the real world, paid 24,000 for a 2008 Lacrosse, in the shop constantly until I got fed up at 92,000 miles, bought a jetta, 2.5 sel for $23,000, 2011, 78,000 miles and hasn't needed one repair. Plus its fricken loaded compared to the GM. Lacrosse was also starting to rust like crazy. And I've always been an american guy... xD
You guys did a great job with this review. I certainly agree that the Accord is a much better car in terms of reliability, low cost maintenance, and options. All my friends have German cars and as much as I like the way they look, they break down very often. It's funny every time I hear someone speak about a German car they mention oil leaks.
Yup, thats why they're cheap, because they're designed to get a person from a-to-b for about 5 years and then the body rusts and the engine starts to fail. I have a 1986 Golf turbo diesel that runs like new with no new parts or modifications other than regular maintenance stuff like fuel filters, brakes, oil etc. Never let our family down. My uncle had a 2003 Honda Civic from new and it fell apart about 6 years later and gave him constant headaches. I will never own a Japanese car. EVER
Also, in your comparison tests (V6), have you noticed when the engine shuts down cylinders that there is a slight vibration felt in the pedal or steering. That concerns me along with the fact that the NAv/Radio is causing many V6 Navi dudes headaches that dealerships and even corporate is having a hard time addressing. If those werent an issue the Accord would be an easier choice.
I prefer Honda over VW. (Mainly because it's easier for your average mechanic to get Honda parts.) But being objective, it was not a fair test seeing that the Honda was being driven in good weather, and the VW was being driven in the snow.
It's not so much which is better. It's what you prefer.
What's is that ticking noise that comes from most Jettas and Passat engines. They sound like VVt-i gone bad.
40 mpg With V6 I have done it and LOVE My Accord only wish had the Paddle shifters like the Accord V6 Coupe has.
get a damn stick shift!! lol
Accord 21cty/35hwy = 25 mixed? Passat 21cty/28hwy = 24 mixed? Not sure I understand this kind of math. I think the Passat's numbers make sense, but shouldn't the "mixed" numbers on the Accord be like 28 or 29? Thanks.
Like both cars very much and have been a loyal Honda customer for close to 30 years. I really think you should have done a side by side test rather than using a previous test of the vw on sloppy roads.
hey wat happened guys ? you used the accord clip from the previous video ?? :O why ?
We can put a request in to our fleet manager but it's really the luck of the draw - thank you for the suggestion @Mohsin Khan - Dave
Dave & Alex can only get so much with what the manufacturer can lend them. Usually it's luck of the draw. Wynn, agree that the Accord Touring and Passat SEL is the correct comparison, but often manufacturers can only offer so much for auto reviewers like Dave & Alex.
I have a civic and really want the V6 Accord. Looking at the segment I decided to just try the Passat and loved the quality I felt in that car compared to the Accord. Love the Accord dash and the glitzy-ness but it doesnt have that tank-like german solidity that i experiences in the Passat. Now if I got a Passat id get only the TDI. But i really want the V6! What is stopping me are the tech probs and engine vibrations ppl are getting w the V6. Can someone speak to that on here?
alex is back!
And with your point about recalling, VW recalled 170,000 vehicles from 2010-July 2013. Toyota from 2011-2012: 225,000. Ford: 370,000 JUST in 2013! Your assumptions make total sense to me now... And the DSG issue was never a recall, it was dealer recommended because not every car had the issue. The problem was the oil was too viscous not allowing cog swapping with precision. And if VW's are unreliable...why are they the #1 taxi in China? Over 300,000 miles in cars over 2007 model year.
@Riley, a real job would suck. What do you do? - Dave
Passat has more quality and more durable
Man, I live in Europe, I'm over 50 years old and VW Passat in Europe is the ratio of over 50% of the most frequent customers of the services for huge oil consumption, falling turbines, injectors, etc., while Honda easily reaches 1,000 .000 km without engine intervention!
VDub > Rice Burner, that's all there is to it.
The Accord gets a HUGE ding in my book for not having split back seats anymore. As you may have noticed, there isn't even a pass through built into the seat. I really don't understand Honda's decision to do this.
Excelente reportaje, quizás habría que agregarle números como los volúmenes de cajuela y espacio para piernas al video, es decir no solo comentarlo sino que aparecieran los datos en pantalla como los de potencia y torque.
Esperamos la comparativa del nuevo ford fusion y chevrolet malibú 2013.
Europe does not need a pickup but the Amarock is classified as one on the VW.co.uk website. The Crown vic is the best taxi here for the same reason the VW is over there. Both dependable and spacious. And for your point about the top ten, there is no ranking. They didn't say that the Golf and GTI(yes not just the GTI) placed seventh. All the cars in that list aren't ranked. The Golf is VW's pride and joy, their special child. They worked on that car more than any car in their lineup.
It would have been more fair had you driven both cars back to back vs months removed. The Passat has great road manners for the price range compared to the Accord. The suspension feels like rubber in the Accord, and you nailed the center stack complexity issue. I am Biased but I also do get to drive these back to back more often.
I always liked the Honda Accord but too much changes it has lost some of the awesome it was like and now I do have a Passat and it drives very smooth got a lot of power but not yet tested in the snow which is coming soon so I will you updated.
Exactly - we don't get our picks... this was the closest we could get - Dave
I love accord rather than any car, love it
Yes we did @TheMohammadsen - not everyone saw the first video - Dave
No doubt that the Honda will be more reliable and return a higher resale value as well. Moreover, the Touring model you were driving has some features that are just plain not available on other cars in this class: adaptive cruise control and LED headlights.
I believe you two should driven booths vehicles in the same types weather not a good comparison at all.....
@ 4:20..back door is not closed properly
At 4:30 he says the Accord falls short.. moments later he says everything works exactly how it should. Lots of refinement.. How did the Accord fall short?
Those guys are like two guys who wanted to make some extra money they got together and just said let's make a car review youtube channel. They are not professional at all. Their car comparisons don't make any fucking sense. How could you even compare a fully loaded Passat with a 4 cylinder Accord?? I'm not an expert in car reviews but i'm a mechanic but it doesn't even take that much knowledge in cars to know it doesn't make any sense. Now they have to remake a review of the same damn cars cause they fucked the first one up and everybody had to tell them that... That doesn't sound professional at all
Is this the first time visiting my channel? Have we met? How much do you know about me and my channel? How many of my newer videos have you watched? Anything from the last 3 years? Thank you.
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As a culture Europeans does not need Pick up trucks to use daily as a Multi purpose vehicle and a family hauler.
"And if VW's are unreliable...why are they the #1 taxi in China?"
#1 taxi in the US is Ford Crown Victoria. So, why do you think it is because it is unreliable?
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The Passat isn't a bigger car-- the length is 191.6 inches and the 2013 Accord is 191.4 inches. The Accord is almost an inch wider though, so you could make the case that the Accord is actually slightly bigger, although I would say they are close enough as to be essentially the same size.
The guy with the red jacket needs to spend more time with the Accord. The V6 is 10x better than a base model sport with a body kit.
The Accord Sport is just right for Alex because I see more younger people driving them when I see them driving a Honda Accord, and the touring is perfect for Dave because he is a little older and lade back like me, i'm 45 old and I will buy the Touring over the Sport, as always good comparison guys
If it wasn't for the Accords center stack I would buy it. Something that is not mentioned in any Accord reviews is that the lower screen has a very low resolution. You can actually see the pixels around all the graphics. Shame really.
The V6 does NOT have direct injection - it's a multiport single cam
Both vehicles with their understated design and practicality suit the niche market for which they were made for.Consequently in my opinion, the VW passat is the better car not because it offers more grand features simply, 'it looks and appeals more to the luxury eye.'
"You are saying I'm biased?"
Yes, I am.
"Nothing Japanese or American can do what a German car can do on a long journey in terms of comfort"
To the contrary, European cars are the most uncomfortable on long journeys. They can't even have a decent cup holders for crying out loud.
"I love American trucks and SUV's. I love the Ram, Silverado and F series"
When Europeans start building pick up trucks you will drool over them no matter how crappy they are.
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Im srry I disagree with everything in this vid about the accord, I drive a 2011 Honda Accord and its a LX-P Non- V-6, "I know I know I should of went with the V-6 but my pockets were too deep and my arms are too short for the V-6 EX-L price tag" but I enjoy driving the Accord, The I4 2.4 liter has enough pep to get me going plus the gas savings are outstanding, and im not a racer just another everyday driver going to work and clubs at night and back home, The interior is ok plastic was expected but its flush and well put together and it was a certified car, So yea I love it and I would pick it over and over again over any crappy VW junk they have to offer
This is really a choice between German and Japanese engineering. When it comes to cars... I'll take the Germans, thanks.
I'm biased though. Grew up on Audi, VW, and BMW.
The VR6 never came in Rabbits, It came in the Touareg, Jetta, Golf GTi, Passat, CC, Corrado and the Eurovan in the US. and When your talking about Mileage for the Diesel its "Fuel" mileage not "Gas" mileage. Gas is exclusive to Gasoline not diesel.
so they have fwd with the 3.6 in the passat? that's a bit rubbish but price is price ... in europe they put 4x4 in all the 3.2 and 3.6 passats...
You are saying I'm biased? I like European CARS because they are designed mostly on the autobahn and I like a car that wont tire you out on a long journey. Nothing Japanese or American can do what a German car can do on a long journey in terms of comfort. I love American trucks and SUV's. I love the Ram, Silverado and F series. Nothing European or Japanese can compare. Dad now has a 2012 Ram 3500 Cummins and I love it to death. Friend has a Civic Si and I love it but like my Jetta a bit better.
The reliability reputation from Honda is way better. And where I live, the Lithia VW salesmen are some of the creepiest weirdos on the planet. Also, the resale values on Honda Accords are great. To me, the decision is made on after the sale service. I would love a VW, but the Honda makes more sense to me. I like the look of new Accord better than the old ones.
I don't like throwing money out my sunroof so I bought the TDI Passat SEL for $30k. VW dealer cut a $4k deal; Honda dealer dodged dealing at all. TDI gets calculated & repeatable 46 hi; 38 in town and my "other" car is a V8 Merc so I've got access to acceleration. Fueleconomy.gov doesn't list glowing mpg out of the I4 or V6 rice poppers. Spend wisely.
I wouldn't take the passat because there is nothing worse than paying off a car and then have repair bills come raining in.
I just bought one but I thumbs up your comment because it made me laugh lol
Most reviews say the Camry is far less refined in both ride comfort (sport =/= hard and bumpy, despite what TOYOTA keeps thinking) and materials quality. The new Camry is probably the worst one in recent years (Drove a Camry 2 gens ago and it was excellent), while this Accord is the best one since 2002. The Mazda 6 is also a great option. Ford Fusion and VW Passat are both more "exclusive" but the Ford is made in Mexico and will fall to pieces, and the Passat will as well.
Hey, don't make audio recordings on a bumpy road with the sunroof open!
The US Passat is boring, very vanilla. I own a B6. The B7 which is called the CC in the US is miles better looking. I must also say I owned my Passat since 40K and it has had over 7,000 in repairs. I change the oil when it says, and have it immaculately maintained. By far the works reliability I have ever had in a vehicle. Almost everyone with a B6 has the same problems, but every manufactures have a stinker from time to time. I unfortunately bought one with a VW label.
You guys don't seem to know much. I had both cars and the Passat was actually 10x better. Better made and better driving quality.
That's awesome.
when it comes to trouble then German technology is the most painful on planet earth. I have very bad experience with two German cars one vw golf and other mb
new cars no issue as the review is for new car so long term reliability is not part of discussion. All German car gives more issues than Japanese car in long term..
@@SUB-Entertainment I dunno, I had many German cars and they are easy to repair. Can do many things even myself. Parts are not expensive as long as you don't buy Premium German cars like Mercedes, BMW, Audi. Although, BMW is cheapest to maintain out of those 3. VW is the cheap version of Audi and parts are relatively cheap. Also, if you happen to be in Europe then Golf is dirt cheap to maintain as you can find used parts dirt cheap from cars that were in the accident and are not worth the repair - like you can replace shocks, springs and other suspension parts on a Golf as low as 100 EUR for the whole rear. On top of that, you just can't beat the reliability of German car body that lasts for decades and does not rust as long as you don't damage parts and repaint them. Jap and American cars rust like complete rust buckets after 6 years. I've tried to find a 5 year old Toyota that has no rust and just could not. I went to VW and even an 8 year old VW still looks fresh and no rust. On top of that VW gives 10 years of anti-rust warranty.
Love my 14 Passa SEL TSI
If I hear another word about the Accord's "center stack", I'm going to blow a gasket.
They used the same clips on the other review on the Volkswagen passat
The Passat drives really nice I love it!! But they really just lost me with the key.. I'm not going from push-button to turn ignition LMAO! I'd rather buy an Audi A4
Honda does not use CVTs on the V6 engine, they use a 6-speed auto.
Safety of the passengers is a huge priority for Honda.
thanks for the comparison.
but why wasn't there even a word about safety? isn't it crucial, especially when the mid-level sedans are bought by families, and just for yourself?
isn't it worthy to mention how solid the bodies of the cars are, how do they perform at crash tests, how do they perform with the rust over the years and so on?
simply saying that one is better than another because of the fancy look and bunch of electronics is not objective, i would say.
8:40 -- I only think this is the only drawback for the Accord, the folding seat, not a 50/50 or 60/40 (industry standard).
I feel like the Jetta is bigger than the cars in its class, and the Passat is bigger than the car in its class. The Jetta is in between Civic and Accord, and the Passat is like the size of a fullsize Taurus or Azera.. Weird sizing.
Nope, this V6 isn't direct injected. Still a "conventional port-injected" engine, per Honda's website.
Who's more save? Accord ! Thats the point. 5 Stars !
Hopefully that will change once they replace the 2.5 with a 2.0 TSi engine. Thing about reliability though: If you do all the necessary maintenance with a VW it will last a lifetime. Many passats can go up to 700,000 miles. the same cannot be said with Honda, as their quality has gone way down. if VW gives the base model a TSi engine then it will have a major edge. the TSi motors have all torque available at 1500rpm so it saves plenty of fuel.
Accord = Reliability= Better choice.
Plus it looks better in my eyes
I do apologize for my rudeness from my previous comment. I was just frustrated that some people dont really research the car they review, they just go into it and memorize some numbers like Bhp and torque. I'm not a fan of the Passat by no means I was merely defending it for Passat lovers. I dont really love to drive any midsize sedan but if I had to drive one, I would choose the Fusion. But love to drive any car? My 2013 Jetta TDI :)
13:33 Rear right door ajar