Unfortunately that was always the point. Susan Collins knew, at the beginning of the first book, that Prim was going to die. She had to. Because that's what war is. It's because Katniss went through everything she did with the sole purpose of protecting Prim that meant Prim had to die. Because Suzanne Collins needed to make the point that there is no real winning in war.
An interesting thing I always noticed is that as soon as the bombs go off at the gates, you see all the Peacekeepers running around without their helmets, showing their faces and their humanity trying to provide aid to the children
Unironically enough, Snow mentions that when those bombs went off, that last of his guards turned on him. So definitely some interesting symbolism to be had there.
@@IamCanadian3333 He said "THE IDEA that I was bombing.....turned the last of my guards against me. Do you know it AIRED ALIVE?" So actually he was saying the fake news destroyed the last defense of The Capitol. Maybe these helmets were not designed for the filtration of poisonous gas but for blocking fake news. Without the protection of these helmets, all peacekeepers became politically-correct at once and were willingly to have Alma Coin replacing Snow as their president...😜😂
Because those were the capitol's children being bombed & killed,so it's obvious that President Snow's guards would think that he's turned against the capitol's residents,when in fact it was Alma Coin who set up snow with all the bombings of the capitol in revenge retaliation for all the districts' children who were victims of the capitol.@@IamCanadian3333
Master stroke by Coin, ending the war without a hostage siege and convincing any military left and the capitol civilian population still loyal to Snow how despicable he really was, allowing the rebel takeover of the government to go much smoother. except she made the mistake of allowing Katniss to speak to Snow before he was executed. She might have realized later on that the bombing was planned. First of all, how was a Capitol bomber able to fly unapposed (not a single shot fired at it, when right before we had rebels completely swarming the area with heavy weapons) right into the middle of the Capitol at a time where the Capitol had basically no bombers left and the airspace of the Capitol was completely controlled by the rebels? Obvious false flag move. That alone would start raising certain questions. But she wouldn't have figured it out until long after Coin became president.
@@annat9582 another interesting thing to consider why would he bomb capital children. At the time of the final battle, Snow knew he was finished out gunned out numbered he needed every bargaining chip he could get to try and ensure D1’s people would survive. The bombing robbed him his bargaining chip.
Since the first movie, the Peacekeeper, wearing their helmet, are being portrayed as a remorseless killing machine who follow everything The Capitol orders them to opress the citizens. But after the bomb were droped, suddenly all Peacekeeper remove their helmet, rushing to rescue civilian, and show that, in the end they are all just human. Later Snow saying that he indeed order "the children first" policy in evacuating citizens to his Palace, meaning that while it seems the Peacekeeper forcefully taking the childrens from their parents making us thought that they were planing to use them as a human shield, in reality the Peacekeeper are geniunely trying to evacuate and protect those children.
They’re not forcefully taking the kids. The parents are passing them forward to be saved. The 1 trooper who had his gun up is more likely keeping the crowd back to prevent them crushing those ahead.
@@Distress.Children are children no matter where they come from. It's that kind of mindset that made the victors believe Capitol children should be made to die in new Hunger Games: let them feel our pain was the justification.
This was always the darkest and most brutal part of Mockingjay, and what made Coin more despicable than Snow in the end for me. Because Coin didn’t just massacre the Captiols children and Peacekeepers, but also so many rebels and medics in the process. Including Prim. This scene is why Katniss shoots her instead of Snow. Edit: The main reason I think she is worse than Snow is simply because Snow never massacred his own people. By that I mean the Capitol people. He doesn’t view the Districts as anything but tools. Even he himself said he would never do something that wasteful and barbaric when him and Katniss talk.
Whilst I think the scene shows that Coin had the capacity to (and was becoming) just as brutal and dictatorial as President Snow, I disagree that she was *more* depsicable. Snow points out that he isn't above pulling the exact same move- but rather that he would have no functional purpose to do so at that point. Compared to Coin, for whom it not only secures the loyalty of the Capitol's citizens and military, but Katniss herself. Boggs points out earlier in the film that whichever candidate Katniss backs in the new Panem to be leader, will likely be elected since Katniss herself has so much sway and influence; bombing Prim under the pretext of it being ordered by Snow was Coin's way of securing her, albeit this is totally undone by Snow's revelation that Coin had a functional reason to commit such an act whilst he did not, which turns Katniss against her once again. I think the parallel between Snow and Coin is evident (I like the suggestion that she really is just 'the other side of the *Coin*') but I don't see how she could be more despicable when the point of her character is that she is just as bad as Snow- not better or worse.
That's one reason Collins had Katniss kill Coin and not Snow, at least not directly. Katniss knew that Coin was no better than Snow, and when Snow said "I thought we agreed not to lie to each other" she knew that Coin was behind it. Great writing and development.
@@IsraRai-uc3gnthat’s why Katniss killed her After she suggested a hunger games with the capitols children katniss realized she was just as bad as president snow
I wouldn't say more despicable, I'd say exactly the same, capable of doing ANYTHING to reach their goal including the murder of children. Even wanting the Hunger Games to continue, which is what let the cycle of violence and rebellion to continue in the first place. Without the games, the rebellion would have never been able to get enough support to have a second go at it.
That little girl in 2.48 broke my heart. That despite the capital and its faults, that it’s not the childrens fault that their society was conditioned the way it was. Katniss could see that even tho she hated what Snow and the capital stood for. That was the difference between her and Gales outlook on the war/rebellion. He was more about vengeance with no empathy or regard to people lives. Which you see very clearly in the first novel/film. Where his downfall with the friendship with Katniss came to an end when Prim was killed in his planned trap/bombings.
One can just as easily use another piece of fiction immortalised in Hollywood, being the Godfather series, to show the folly of letting a child with a score to settle against you grow up. Perhaps we should ask Don Ciccio? Oh wait, Vito Corleone stabbed him in the gut. Or to use ongoing events, if Israel doesn't completely drive the Palestinians/Hamas/PLO or whatever group of nutjobs out of there, to the extent of killing children as collateral damage, their own children will be going in there again in about 20-25 years time, and their children, and so on. Even Salman Rushdie (himself having been attacked by religious radicals and having lost an eye) tells you white liberals to stop the moralistic good and evil crap in all your movies and literature. Indeed, a lot of the fairytales passed through the generations are actually free of good guy vs bad guy narratives. Best historical example though is Augustus getting rid of Cleopatra's son Caesarion, simply saying two Caesar's (himself being Caesar's nephew) is one too many. The month of August is now named after him.
I read the book before watching the film and remembered cringing the whole time when those parachutes appeared. The way the children held their hands up hoping to receive candies or presents and all of the sudden they're gone. I love how everyone's humanity kicked in after the explosions. Both the peace keepers and rebels setting their weapons aside to help the kids. Which I think was captured better than in the book.
It’s crazy how at the end, after the bombing of the civilians, both the PeaceKeepers and Rebels, who only moments before were killing each other, stop fighting and rush to help the wounded.
@@petiteloutre4466 largely unscathed. It makes no sense that they kept her face/hair pretty and that enormous fireball only ignited her outfit/neck. Hair, especially, is extremely flammable. It’s part of a bigger trend of them making Katniss more “pretty” in every film (except for the first movie).
@@NiceDrivewayyyeah I never understood that choice either, especially when the book specifically states and shows she recieved severe burns, and it becomes a minor, yet recurring mention through the rest of the book
You know what's messed up? This scene is supposed to depict a war crime so heinous that it utterly sapped the will of the Capitol to continue fighting. Yet... when you take a look at the real world nowadays... man... that's just another Tuesday.
this. bombing kids, burying thousands under rubble... has become ordinary. excusing such behavior has become ordinary. extraordinarily disgusting state of affairs.
perhaps you ought to open a history book and learn that it is only a warcrime when you lose the war. Otherwise you and what army is going to bring the leaders of the people you were shooting at to the dock?
@@Distress. wtf does Geneva have to do with anything? Rules for war? There is only one rule for war. Don't lose. You're not one of these woke idiots are you?
@@scottwebb4722Actually, a lot of countries with relatively developed militaries have their own military court systems, where many war crimes are prosecuted. Part of what you say is true though, in that senior leadership is very rarely prosecuted for the war crimes their smaller units tend to carry out. A lot of the time this is because mens rea would be near impossible to prove, and in addition a lot of the time these commanders don’t actually order crimes to be committed, rather it’s more negligence on their part that leads to instances of misconduct.
These movies are a lot darker than I remember as a child. The first movie shying away from every instance of violence didn't help, but God damn this is an intense scene.
lucky this came out nearly 10 years ago and before 2016 otherwise the leftards would be complaining about why the main cast is all white. Still, this series practically started the girlboss character run as its enduring legacy. Perhaps Jennifer is needed again to revitalise this genre of movies as it takes an Oscar winner like her to make the character three-dimensional.
Idk why but that scene is probably that saddest thing in the movies. For me it tops all the others who died bc we see her in pure innocence and then we see her mother dead
@@jasmineabrego8157 for sure they wouldve made it happen if the movie was rated R... This trilogy still managed to remain very close to the source material despite being forced to make changes there and there, amazing work !
There are few books/films in existence that are as relevant to our human history and present lives as this series is. It speaks to unpleasant and often un-spoken realities about our human nature and what we are willing to do in the name of “the greater good”. “But collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction.” - Suzanne Collins.
6:30 I always find this seen somewhat powerful where it shows unmasked peacekeepers show that in the end, they were no different and were just human like everyone else. Also I just realized that Prim probably had the delayed response because she probably thought Katniss died.
It was the only way to get the capital to do an unconditional surrender. The truth is Snow would have bunkered down then a negotiated a peace with the ultimate goal of reclaiming their position a generation later. By arranging for the bombing Snow looses the remaining power he has and the capital will take what ever deal the rebels offer them. Coin gets her cake and gets to eat it as well.
Geez, please stop saying that because of Prim dying it was all for nothing. It’s deeper than that. Heroes are born from tragedies. When Prim was selected as tribute and Katniss volunteered, the rebellion started and when Prim died, Katniss realized who the real enemy was. Coin was going to become Snow 2.0 she wanted The Hunger Games back! Yeah it sucks that Katniss lost Prim, but because of that Katniss was able to bring down the Capitol.
You know thinking about this after the new movie, Coin 100% deserved to die, not even from the bomb but the fact she opened fire on the civilian population fleeing. Ya they enjoyed the games and were complacent in them, but there were children there and people who had nothing to do with the war. And this wasn't like bombing a city, this was directly attacking where she new civilians were fleeing to. Even without the bombs she deserved to die.
It happens sometimes; gunfire erupts between warring factions and innocents get killed in the crossfire. I don't think the rebels were intentionally trying to aim civilians so they probably got hit by stray bullets. Whose to say Capitol soldiers didn't accidentally kill their own citizens because they got in the way?
@@sangbum60090 oh I know civilians get caught up in the cross fire, but this was a direct attack on where civilians were. And yes that does happen as well, but proves that Coin was as bad as Snow even before the bombs.
The rebels were all wearing winter coats and could easily pass off as refugees. Coats can allow you to hide your rifle or carbine underneath before the sudden attack.
Eerie how increasingly relevant this story has become. It always was, however, most recently, its more so than ever. Suzanne Collins is a genius. Such a thematic mirror this series is.
throughout the movie katniss is very stoic, strong and holds herself well but here in this scene you can see how caught up in the chaos of the rebels, peacekeepers and capitol citizens she is the complete opposite. like everything before was sort of controlled and she knew what to expect but now faced with the real war its completley different because of how unpredictible it is, one bullet could end her life. it reminds me of what snow said to her about not wanting to be in a real war and he was right because she loses prim and the captiol children are killed. idk how to word it but i thought it was interesting. war is unforgiving, merciless, chaotic and brutal
Poor girl didn't deserve that. Capitol civilians didn't deserve that. Rebels didn't deserve that. Prim didn't deserve that. Peacekeepers always had their helmets on throughout this saga. They were this cold, soulless beings. At that moment, when the bombs dropped, we saw them.
The Hunger Games is such a sad and dark franchise like..imagine if they make it R rated like the book. Francis Lawrence said he would do it. Regardless, all the characters are losing their mind at this point.Even we get a happy ending but it’s still not a happy ending 😭
@@animedragons9998 Tasteful-realistic pictures? Just imagine if they make it like the book?? Would it be more miserable than it is?? I think it will. And miss, I don’t think you’re understanding what I meant here. please reread my comment, your arrogance ruining my good comment.
Yknow what broke me when I watched this scene for the first time? My little sister has blonde hair and blue eyes. She’s so innocent. I have dark hair, dark eyes. If I was in this situation I would’ve made the exact same decisions as Katniss. And then seeing your whole world- killed in a second…I started crying in the theater. Little sisters are everything to big sisters. We don’t exist without our babies.
It's a war. No one is really evil except the people in power starting with Snow. The Capitol's citizens aren't all evil, tho many didn't care for the people in the districts and didn't even view them as human beings.
@@sebastianzietara4018 Coin wanted to kill Capital civilians anyways but she had to make sure Prim was in it. Those hovercrafts were already occupied by the rebels. It was cruel of her to kill her own nursing team which is very disrespectful in the war if that’s a case. Regardless, Katniss was not swayed by deception and ended up killing the b*tch. Katniss realizes that Snow was right about Coin that all she did was to make her angry and seek revenge on capital people and Snow. Imagine if Katniss didn’t agree with Coin about new Hunger Games, she would kill her for sure.
@@deenikki9690 Yes, he really have an unhealthy thoughts and he didn’t even care what Katniss think. War will never end and people will keep dying. Gale wouldn’t feel bad til someone he cares died. Gosh!! the Hunger Games really has done so much reflecting to our world.
It is genius on Coin's part. The firefight caused panic and a rush forward, condensing the crowd and funneling them all into the most open space. Only then did she drop the parachutes. You can tell this is the plan because the attackers stop entirely about a minute before the ship came over; enough time for the panic to clear and the people to be desperate for help.
This is in the head 2150 I think or atleast around there and it’s funny how they have lots of technology but no like laser guns. and they still use regular nukes and modern guns I love it
So my question is. How did the rebels manage to steal a Capitol ship? How did the Capitol not notice that one of their ships went messing and probably entered a no fly zone??
The no fly zone can be explained by Beetee and his knowledge on the Capitols system, and the ship was either stolen or less likely, it was a district 13 ship and painted the Capitol emblem on it
@@theboy6888 I think it's more like what you said. And District 13 was formerly the ones who provided weapons to the Capitol so it's not too far fetched that the ships/planes would look similar. I definitely think they painted it to look like the Capitol too
Its hard to blame Katniss for not wanting to shoot Gale. . . She personally killed so many friends in the name of the rebellion and having her oldest friends blood on her hands would have destroyed her. .
The first bombs going off was the symbol of the end of the war to me. All the peacekeepers had their helmets off showing they were just as human as the rebels and civilians, and joined both the civilians and rebels to save as many as they could not even knowing there was a second bomb.
I wish they’d included the part from the book where the Capitol sets off those final pods, right before Katniss and Gale get separated. It’d have been terrifying to see if on the big screen
they most likely took out the pods because they caused very grewsome deaths so they most likely removed the pods and changed some of the deaths to maintain a PG-13 Rating
I know some of you were upset that prim dies. That’s the sad truth of life you can do everything right can I have all the luck on your side and you can still lose the people you love but it’s because we love them that we will do all we can to save them
Coin was willing to kill innocent children in order to make Snow look bad, and she knew that if Katniss thought Snow killed Prim that was the ultimate way to ensure Katniss would be willing to kill him for the revolution. And if these events hadn't occurred, Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin, and Coin would have been able to take power and restart the cycle all over again. It had to happen this way.
Nah. Coin didn't even know Katniss was there inbetween the capitol people. Everyone thought Katniss was already dead at that point. The attack on the capitol kids was pre-planned by Coin and sort off Gale too. (Its a point of debate how much of it is to blame to Gale in the fandom.)
@@bubblefish5847 they aired the bombing live! So Coin knew Katniss would see it in some way. Coin also knew Katniss was alive, she was one of the few that did
Weirdly symbolic considering I’m the books prim is always described as having a ducktail because of the way her shirt hangs out at the back and this is the same scene that prim dies in
What I find so evil about this scene is that the bombs being dropped looked like the same parcels used in the hunger games to provide supplies, the people reached up, believing it was the aid from the capitol announced in the announcement. The people died with hope in their hearts that they would survive, and that hope was destroyed the moment they exploded.
What im wondering is why did Gale get all the hate for the bomb didn't Beetee also design it? Because nobody is hating on Beetee and everyone is hating on Gale
Don't forget that in the first 2 films, we saw how the Capitol was supposed to be viewed. Even without the war, it's very possible that the real Capitol isn't all like that. Just look at how many real life cities are portrayed on TV, especially in regards to big events, compared to their real life. The whole thing with the Capitol in the first 2 films was that everything was perfect, airbrushed, scripted, controlled, like a film in itself. We've heard about it in real life, cities moving rough sleepers and cleaning everywhere up before hosting big events. The coverage of the events showcasing everything that is good, modern, clean, wonderful about the city, and brushing all the bad things under the carpet. It's not just in certain countries either, they all do it.
@@amarionsparks-rz4gh That's who was bombed, and rebel medics. The Capitol citizens were under the same regime as the Districts. In real life this act would be considered a war crime, regardless of who was bombed.
@@bricklix2981your honor, Gale made the bomb, while purposely and knowingly killing children. It was all an oopsie daisy. Please forgive him because reasons 🥺
@@chrishandsome9320it was coin who used the bombs, gael didnt drop them on civilians, its like if you were saying snow dropped bombs instead of coin, brainwashed ass
Gaza and those within it show a level of disregard for the lives of innocent children on par with the capitol. They'll rape and murder and kidnap to achieve their means.
@@jeremym1288 I never cried during this scene Imao what are you on 💀 Bringing REAL WORLD politics into a fictional world where the government literally forces children to fight each other every year is like comparing Donald Trump with Darth Vadet
What I find so evil about this scene is that the bombs being dropped looked like the same parcels used in the hunger games to provide supplies, the people reached up, believing it was the aid from the capitol announced in the announcement. The people died with hope in their hearts that they would survive, and that hope was destroyed the moment they exploded.
@@nourinanwar Look, I agree that what is happening in Gaza is downright unacceptable. But I don't think comparing fiction to real life tragedies is a good idea.
@@AlexTheNerd Well, I wish you only knew that most of these so called fictions that "they" create are part of the plan. Kindly look up about all the predictive programming that they do that people think all this is just fiction. Afterall if a fiction is able to hurt a person's feeling or conscience, then I believe reality should have more impact as that is where we live. We cannot run away from reality making excuses. If you were part of a fiction turned reality and were suffering would you want people saying, oh it's just fiction. In a movie, a child was killed or abuse in monstrous ways. Say,something similar to the incident happened around you, would you still react in this fashion? I don't want a reply. This was not to offend you either. Why people like me are mentioning Gaza is because people have so many opinions when it comes to fictional characters and their despair. But what about actual HUMAN BEINGS? Why don't we care?
@@nourinanwaroh come on people compare Gaza to literally anything, workers of companies that have done nothing wrong are being harassed because the companies they work for have a slight association with Isreal, big deal. And you people act like Gaza is the only thing that is happening in the world. You’s sure forgot about Ukraine quickly when the trend died down, no mention of other thing happening like Sudan
@@omarbaba9892 I'm so sorry for you. And how quick were you to conclude that I don't speak for Sudan? Or Ukraine? Do you btw know Ukraine is an Israeli Ally Country, there are so many things happening around the world, you're right so please go educate yourself before judging people by a single comment.
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I cant believe she went through all this to save prim and she ends up dead anyways
Unfortunately that was always the point. Susan Collins knew, at the beginning of the first book, that Prim was going to die. She had to. Because that's what war is. It's because Katniss went through everything she did with the sole purpose of protecting Prim that meant Prim had to die. Because Suzanne Collins needed to make the point that there is no real winning in war.
It should have been Katniss instead.
@@wickdaline8668it couldn’t have been katniss
Real. 💔
Yes i'm crying every time 😢😢😢
In hindsight, writing a book where the main characters entire motivation for fighting is killed at the end is genius.
no it's pointless
@@macias7125 that's war for ya.
@@okyes2753 and thats the point
@@macias7125 That's the point lol
These things happen in War.
An interesting thing I always noticed is that as soon as the bombs go off at the gates, you see all the Peacekeepers running around without their helmets, showing their faces and their humanity trying to provide aid to the children
Unironically enough, Snow mentions that when those bombs went off, that last of his guards turned on him. So definitely some interesting symbolism to be had there.
@@IamCanadian3333 He said "THE IDEA that I was bombing.....turned the last of my guards against me. Do you know it AIRED ALIVE?" So actually he was saying the fake news destroyed the last defense of The Capitol. Maybe these helmets were not designed for the filtration of poisonous gas but for blocking fake news. Without the protection of these helmets, all peacekeepers became politically-correct at once and were willingly to have Alma Coin replacing Snow as their president...😜😂
Because those were the capitol's children being bombed & killed,so it's obvious that President Snow's guards would think that he's turned against the capitol's residents,when in fact it was Alma Coin who set up snow with all the bombings of the capitol in revenge retaliation for all the districts' children who were victims of the capitol.@@IamCanadian3333
Not only that, but you see Peacekeepers and Rebels running together, Capitol and Rebel medics helping children regardless of who they are.
Master stroke by Coin, ending the war without a hostage siege and convincing any military left and the capitol civilian population still loyal to Snow how despicable he really was, allowing the rebel takeover of the government to go much smoother. except she made the mistake of allowing Katniss to speak to Snow before he was executed. She might have realized later on that the bombing was planned. First of all, how was a Capitol bomber able to fly unapposed (not a single shot fired at it, when right before we had rebels completely swarming the area with heavy weapons) right into the middle of the Capitol at a time where the Capitol had basically no bombers left and the airspace of the Capitol was completely controlled by the rebels? Obvious false flag move. That alone would start raising certain questions. But she wouldn't have figured it out until long after Coin became president.
Reading the prequel I realized Snow provided food shelter to his citizens because of his experience during the first war everyone was left to starve
Which is another nail in the coffin that he didn’t bomb them.
@@Phantom19913 I knew once he said it was Coins plan that he wasn’t lying. Especially when reading the books the similarities with her and snow.
@@annat9582 another interesting thing to consider why would he bomb capital children. At the time of the final battle, Snow knew he was finished out gunned out numbered he needed every bargaining chip he could get to try and ensure D1’s people would survive. The bombing robbed him his bargaining chip.
Since the first movie, the Peacekeeper, wearing their helmet, are being portrayed as a remorseless killing machine who follow everything The Capitol orders them to opress the citizens. But after the bomb were droped, suddenly all Peacekeeper remove their helmet, rushing to rescue civilian, and show that, in the end they are all just human.
Later Snow saying that he indeed order "the children first" policy in evacuating citizens to his Palace, meaning that while it seems the Peacekeeper forcefully taking the childrens from their parents making us thought that they were planing to use them as a human shield, in reality the Peacekeeper are geniunely trying to evacuate and protect those children.
They’re not forcefully taking the kids. The parents are passing them forward to be saved. The 1 trooper who had his gun up is more likely keeping the crowd back to prevent them crushing those ahead.
I found it amazingly poetic that Snow was trying to save the kids after everything he's done.
@@yourfriendlysubaruoutback They're capitol children, they're more human than district children.
@@Distress.Children are children no matter where they come from. It's that kind of mindset that made the victors believe Capitol children should be made to die in new Hunger Games: let them feel our pain was the justification.
I find it mildly annoying that no one seems to grasp the original comment
This was always the darkest and most brutal part of Mockingjay, and what made Coin more despicable than Snow in the end for me. Because Coin didn’t just massacre the Captiols children and Peacekeepers, but also so many rebels and medics in the process. Including Prim. This scene is why Katniss shoots her instead of Snow.
Edit: The main reason I think she is worse than Snow is simply because Snow never massacred his own people. By that I mean the Capitol people. He doesn’t view the Districts as anything but tools. Even he himself said he would never do something that wasteful and barbaric when him and Katniss talk.
Whilst I think the scene shows that Coin had the capacity to (and was becoming) just as brutal and dictatorial as President Snow, I disagree that she was *more* depsicable. Snow points out that he isn't above pulling the exact same move- but rather that he would have no functional purpose to do so at that point. Compared to Coin, for whom it not only secures the loyalty of the Capitol's citizens and military, but Katniss herself. Boggs points out earlier in the film that whichever candidate Katniss backs in the new Panem to be leader, will likely be elected since Katniss herself has so much sway and influence; bombing Prim under the pretext of it being ordered by Snow was Coin's way of securing her, albeit this is totally undone by Snow's revelation that Coin had a functional reason to commit such an act whilst he did not, which turns Katniss against her once again. I think the parallel between Snow and Coin is evident (I like the suggestion that she really is just 'the other side of the *Coin*') but I don't see how she could be more despicable when the point of her character is that she is just as bad as Snow- not better or worse.
That's one reason Collins had Katniss kill Coin and not Snow, at least not directly. Katniss knew that Coin was no better than Snow, and when Snow said "I thought we agreed not to lie to each other" she knew that Coin was behind it. Great writing and development.
Yea coin was power hungry and a bit corrupt,
@@IsraRai-uc3gnthat’s why Katniss killed her
After she suggested a hunger games with the capitols children katniss realized she was just as bad as president snow
I wouldn't say more despicable, I'd say exactly the same, capable of doing ANYTHING to reach their goal including the murder of children. Even wanting the Hunger Games to continue, which is what let the cycle of violence and rebellion to continue in the first place. Without the games, the rebellion would have never been able to get enough support to have a second go at it.
That little girl in 2.48 broke my heart. That despite the capital and its faults, that it’s not the childrens fault that their society was conditioned the way it was. Katniss could see that even tho she hated what Snow and the capital stood for. That was the difference between her and Gales outlook on the war/rebellion. He was more about vengeance with no empathy or regard to people lives. Which you see very clearly in the first novel/film. Where his downfall with the friendship with Katniss came to an end when Prim was killed in his planned trap/bombings.
One can just as easily use another piece of fiction immortalised in Hollywood, being the Godfather series, to show the folly of letting a child with a score to settle against you grow up. Perhaps we should ask Don Ciccio? Oh wait, Vito Corleone stabbed him in the gut.
Or to use ongoing events, if Israel doesn't completely drive the Palestinians/Hamas/PLO or whatever group of nutjobs out of there, to the extent of killing children as collateral damage, their own children will be going in there again in about 20-25 years time, and their children, and so on. Even Salman Rushdie (himself having been attacked by religious radicals and having lost an eye) tells you white liberals to stop the moralistic good and evil crap in all your movies and literature. Indeed, a lot of the fairytales passed through the generations are actually free of good guy vs bad guy narratives.
Best historical example though is Augustus getting rid of Cleopatra's son Caesarion, simply saying two Caesar's (himself being Caesar's nephew) is one too many. The month of August is now named after him.
I read the book before watching the film and remembered cringing the whole time when those parachutes appeared. The way the children held their hands up hoping to receive candies or presents and all of the sudden they're gone. I love how everyone's humanity kicked in after the explosions. Both the peace keepers and rebels setting their weapons aside to help the kids. Which I think was captured better than in the book.
really nice detail at 6:13 where peacekeepers and the resistance medics are both trying to save civilians
It’s crazy how at the end, after the bombing of the civilians, both the PeaceKeepers and Rebels, who only moments before were killing each other, stop fighting and rush to help the wounded.
The way she catches on fire at 7:02 is peak symbolism
though ridiculous that only her outfit catches fire and her skin/hair are unscathed.
@@NiceDrivewayyit isn't really unscathed... you can see the skin on her neck being burnt at 7:18
@@petiteloutre4466 largely unscathed. It makes no sense that they kept her face/hair pretty and that enormous fireball only ignited her outfit/neck. Hair, especially, is extremely flammable.
It’s part of a bigger trend of them making Katniss more “pretty” in every film (except for the first movie).
@@NiceDrivewayyyeah I never understood that choice either, especially when the book specifically states and shows she recieved severe burns, and it becomes a minor, yet recurring mention through the rest of the book
@@NiceDrivewayyher face was untouched in the books, and only parts of her hair were singed.
You know what's messed up? This scene is supposed to depict a war crime so heinous that it utterly sapped the will of the Capitol to continue fighting. Yet... when you take a look at the real world nowadays... man... that's just another Tuesday.
Difference is the people thought it was the capitol that bombed their kids.
@@Distress.Facts
this. bombing kids, burying thousands under rubble... has become ordinary. excusing such behavior has become ordinary.
extraordinarily disgusting state of affairs.
"Aid" airdrops that turn out to be deadly and the brutal and purposeful massacre of medics... Couldn't happen irl, right? :c
Some people of certain beliefs will even sacrifice their own children as martyrs.
How many warcrimes do you want to show in one scene?
Yes.
perhaps you ought to open a history book and learn that it is only a warcrime when you lose the war.
Otherwise you and what army is going to bring the leaders of the people you were shooting at to the dock?
@@scottwebb4722 Who knows if Geneva even exists at this point.
@@Distress. wtf does Geneva have to do with anything? Rules for war?
There is only one rule for war. Don't lose.
You're not one of these woke idiots are you?
@scottwebb4722 the heck? So its OK to kill civilians? Only cowards kill civilians
@@scottwebb4722Actually, a lot of countries with relatively developed militaries have their own military court systems, where many war crimes are prosecuted. Part of what you say is true though, in that senior leadership is very rarely prosecuted for the war crimes their smaller units tend to carry out. A lot of the time this is because mens rea would be near impossible to prove, and in addition a lot of the time these commanders don’t actually order crimes to be committed, rather it’s more negligence on their part that leads to instances of misconduct.
These movies are a lot darker than I remember as a child. The first movie shying away from every instance of violence didn't help, but God damn this is an intense scene.
I think everyone who saw this scene will know how impactfull it was.
One of the most awful (yet wonderful) experiences I’ve had at the cinemas. I remember how everyone gasped in horror and then complete silence.
This scene still gives me nightmares to this day. The acting is far too real.
lucky this came out nearly 10 years ago and before 2016 otherwise the leftards would be complaining about why the main cast is all white. Still, this series practically started the girlboss character run as its enduring legacy.
Perhaps Jennifer is needed again to revitalise this genre of movies as it takes an Oscar winner like her to make the character three-dimensional.
Also, that poor little girl in the yellow jacket :(
Idk why but that scene is probably that saddest thing in the movies. For me it tops all the others who died bc we see her in pure innocence and then we see her mother dead
How did that little girl's mom died
@@GigiGarcia9369 if she didn't die from the explosions then most likely from the gunshots
In the book she gets shot in the head as she cries for her mom which makes it all the sadder :(
@@jasmineabrego8157 for sure they wouldve made it happen if the movie was rated R... This trilogy still managed to remain very close to the source material despite being forced to make changes there and there, amazing work !
There are few books/films in existence that are as relevant to our human history and present lives as this series is. It speaks to unpleasant and often un-spoken realities about our human nature and what we are willing to do in the name of “the greater good”.
“But collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction.” - Suzanne Collins.
All that effort Katniss went through to protect Prim and it literally blew up in her face.
6:30 I always find this seen somewhat powerful where it shows unmasked peacekeepers show that in the end, they were no different and were just human like everyone else. Also I just realized that Prim probably had the delayed response because she probably thought Katniss died.
It was the only way to get the capital to do an unconditional surrender. The truth is Snow would have bunkered down then a negotiated a peace with the ultimate goal of reclaiming their position a generation later. By arranging for the bombing Snow looses the remaining power he has and the capital will take what ever deal the rebels offer them. Coin gets her cake and gets to eat it as well.
@@Phantom19913Until she gets shot and killed a few days later lol
Geez, please stop saying that because of Prim dying it was all for nothing. It’s deeper than that. Heroes are born from tragedies. When Prim was selected as tribute and Katniss volunteered, the rebellion started and when Prim died, Katniss realized who the real enemy was. Coin was going to become Snow 2.0 she wanted The Hunger Games back! Yeah it sucks that Katniss lost Prim, but because of that Katniss was able to bring down the Capitol.
I think you explained this quite beautifully
You know thinking about this after the new movie, Coin 100% deserved to die, not even from the bomb but the fact she opened fire on the civilian population fleeing. Ya they enjoyed the games and were complacent in them, but there were children there and people who had nothing to do with the war. And this wasn't like bombing a city, this was directly attacking where she new civilians were fleeing to. Even without the bombs she deserved to die.
It happens sometimes; gunfire erupts between warring factions and innocents get killed in the crossfire. I don't think the rebels were intentionally trying to aim civilians so they probably got hit by stray bullets. Whose to say Capitol soldiers didn't accidentally kill their own citizens because they got in the way?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl there were like 15 peace keepers and like 1000+ civilians, women, and children.
so wasteful and so meaningless to kill civillians like that. My respect for snow went up a millicentimetre after the talk at the garden
You're naive, these things happen in a war
@@sangbum60090 oh I know civilians get caught up in the cross fire, but this was a direct attack on where civilians were. And yes that does happen as well, but proves that Coin was as bad as Snow even before the bombs.
The amount of rebels that were able to sneak up into the crowd at 2:33 is crazy
I said that too, where did they even come from?
The rebels were all wearing winter coats and could easily pass off as refugees. Coats can allow you to hide your rifle or carbine underneath before the sudden attack.
Maybe they hit the rifles in their jackets or the crowd was ahead and they started going up and shooting
Alma Coin had that arrow coming YUP
Eerie how increasingly relevant this story has become. It always was, however, most recently, its more so than ever. Suzanne Collins is a genius. Such a thematic mirror this series is.
How in fresh hell is Hunger Games becoming increasingly relevant? We go through hardship, but the world doesn't resemble a dystopia.
They're talking about the genocide in Palestine
Palestine 😢
@@boxboxerson991Palestine u freak
@@SeanLBGL I realise you were born tow weeks ago, but the war has been fought for 70 years. It's a lost cause. Move on, you freak.
throughout the movie katniss is very stoic, strong and holds herself well but here in this scene you can see how caught up in the chaos of the rebels, peacekeepers and capitol citizens she is the complete opposite. like everything before was sort of controlled and she knew what to expect but now faced with the real war its completley different because of how unpredictible it is, one bullet could end her life. it reminds me of what snow said to her about not wanting to be in a real war and he was right because she loses prim and the captiol children are killed. idk how to word it but i thought it was interesting. war is unforgiving, merciless, chaotic and brutal
Poor girl didn't deserve that.
Capitol civilians didn't deserve that.
Rebels didn't deserve that.
Prim didn't deserve that.
Peacekeepers always had their helmets on throughout this saga. They were this cold, soulless beings. At that moment, when the bombs dropped, we saw them.
As the compliant ones who led this to happen.
The Hunger Games is such a sad and dark franchise like..imagine if they make it R rated like the book. Francis Lawrence said he would do it.
Regardless, all the characters are losing their mind at this point.Even we get a happy ending but it’s still not a happy ending 😭
If it were R rated, it might've not had a similar impact since it would’ve been less accessible to the target audience
@@animedragons9998 and Imagine if they make it Rated R.
@@lifeofanimalslovecatsanddo4273 Other than profanities, what would it add?
@@animedragons9998 Tasteful-realistic pictures? Just imagine if they make it like the book?? Would it be more miserable than it is?? I think it will.
And miss, I don’t think you’re understanding what I meant here. please reread my comment, your arrogance ruining my good comment.
Nah, PG-13 is ideal. The books are more like PG-13 anyway.
Snow watching his system collapse from a handful of poisonous berries 😎😉🫐
Yknow what broke me when I watched this scene for the first time? My little sister has blonde hair and blue eyes. She’s so innocent. I have dark hair, dark eyes. If I was in this situation I would’ve made the exact same decisions as Katniss. And then seeing your whole world- killed in a second…I started crying in the theater. Little sisters are everything to big sisters. We don’t exist without our babies.
So true😢😢😢
Watching this in the theater was insane
If you think this is bad, the description of events in Chapter 24 of the book is even more shocking
Had to be dialed down for PG-13 purposes
2:44 is when Katniss realized that rebels are as evil or worse than the capitol people......
It's a war. No one is really evil except the people in power starting with Snow. The Capitol's citizens aren't all evil, tho many didn't care for the people in the districts and didn't even view them as human beings.
I would never forgive coin for killing Prim!
Those things sadly happen in a war. It was a master move from Coin and isolated Snow definitively. Even Coryo said it.
@@sebastianzietara4018 Coin wanted to kill Capital civilians anyways but she had to make sure Prim was in it. Those hovercrafts were already occupied by the rebels. It was cruel of her to kill her own nursing team which is very disrespectful in the war if that’s a case.
Regardless, Katniss was not swayed by deception and ended up killing the b*tch. Katniss realizes that Snow was right about Coin that all she did was to make her angry and seek revenge on capital people and Snow. Imagine if Katniss didn’t agree with Coin about new Hunger Games, she would kill her for sure.
Gale is just as culpable
@@deenikki9690 Yes, he really have an unhealthy thoughts and he didn’t even care what Katniss think. War will never end and people will keep dying. Gale wouldn’t feel bad til someone he cares died. Gosh!! the Hunger Games really has done so much reflecting to our world.
Same!
War...Terrible War
heart-wrenching😭
This scene was so sad😢
I was so mad at this point in the book and movie all this just for Prim to die and Gale to be forgotten cause of what he did.
It is genius on Coin's part. The firefight caused panic and a rush forward, condensing the crowd and funneling them all into the most open space. Only then did she drop the parachutes. You can tell this is the plan because the attackers stop entirely about a minute before the ship came over; enough time for the panic to clear and the people to be desperate for help.
Amazing Novels and Movies.
This is in the head 2150 I think or atleast around there and it’s funny how they have lots of technology but no like laser guns. and they still use regular nukes and modern guns I love it
Release all 4 movies at this point❤
The lemon coat girl is my favorite
Why am I crying?! Lol
Been drinking too much soy milk?
I wonder what type of clothing they hand out at the capital
Gale is prim reaper
Coin was the real monster
Yes she was
So my question is. How did the rebels manage to steal a Capitol ship? How did the Capitol not notice that one of their ships went messing and probably entered a no fly zone??
It was the capital who sent it not the rebels
@@brianselley1745No the rebels released those bombs. So it's a matter of how they were able to get a Capitol plane in the first place?
The no fly zone can be explained by Beetee and his knowledge on the Capitols system, and the ship was either stolen or less likely, it was a district 13 ship and painted the Capitol emblem on it
@@theboy6888 I think it's more like what you said. And District 13 was formerly the ones who provided weapons to the Capitol so it's not too far fetched that the ships/planes would look similar. I definitely think they painted it to look like the Capitol too
Capitol forces depleted at this point,probably dont even have power to stop it.
Its hard to blame Katniss for not wanting to shoot Gale. . . She personally killed so many friends in the name of the rebellion and having her oldest friends blood on her hands would have destroyed her. .
In the book, she couldn’t really make out what he was saying at first
Surely everyone agrees, it was a masterful move?
Jesus Christ this movie was darker than I remember
Is it just me, or do i just want the capitol city to be real , the architecture is everything
Katniss should have bit the dust for Prim instead.
The first bombs going off was the symbol of the end of the war to me. All the peacekeepers had their helmets off showing they were just as human as the rebels and civilians, and joined both the civilians and rebels to save as many as they could not even knowing there was a second bomb.
I always found it strange that the mom wasn't upset over Prim's death.
Prim’s death made me so mad. Kathie’s energy t to every length to protect her and she still died.
0:33 is that ryan gosling in the crowd?
i noticed that too
Katniss is a Squad Leader in this scene. They are gathering intelligence as to Combatants|Civilians. Capitol.
I wish they’d included the part from the book where the Capitol sets off those final pods, right before Katniss and Gale get separated. It’d have been terrifying to see if on the big screen
Reading the book im kinda bummed it didn't show any of the other pods in the movie for this scene
they most likely took out the pods because they caused very grewsome deaths so they most likely removed the pods and changed some of the deaths to maintain a PG-13 Rating
They are not operating on a General. Theater Level.
I still think that command to bring the children forward was a hacked recording by 13
In this scene.
And i used to say that anakin killing the younglings was brutal,
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 omg
Order 66 was definitely more brutal than this
Katniss Everdean: the girl on fire.
I know some of you were upset that prim dies. That’s the sad truth of life you can do everything right can I have all the luck on your side and you can still lose the people you love but it’s because we love them that we will do all we can to save them
Did Coin kill Prim on purpose? Also, wouldn’t everything have been fine had Katniss just listen to Coin and stay to rest at District 13?
It's heavily suggested in the books that Coin sent her in to danger on purpose, as Prim is underage and unlikely to be allowed into a battlefield
Coin was willing to kill innocent children in order to make Snow look bad, and she knew that if Katniss thought Snow killed Prim that was the ultimate way to ensure Katniss would be willing to kill him for the revolution. And if these events hadn't occurred, Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin, and Coin would have been able to take power and restart the cycle all over again. It had to happen this way.
Nah. Coin didn't even know Katniss was there inbetween the capitol people. Everyone thought Katniss was already dead at that point. The attack on the capitol kids was pre-planned by Coin and sort off Gale too. (Its a point of debate how much of it is to blame to Gale in the fandom.)
@@bubblefish5847 they aired the bombing live! So Coin knew Katniss would see it in some way. Coin also knew Katniss was alive, she was one of the few that did
Not to kill prim but the civilians?? Like c'mon why do u have to even bomb the children too that's just too low?
Suzanne's a genius but an evil genius
When the girl in the yellow jacket showed up my mom said “That fucking girl looks like a duck”
Weirdly symbolic considering I’m the books prim is always described as having a ducktail because of the way her shirt hangs out at the back and this is the same scene that prim dies in
y’all i still down get why she didn’t shoot the guy to kill him
Dated nov 28 2023.
Ready made ne?
prim's no no
What I find so evil about this scene is that the bombs being dropped looked like the same parcels used in the hunger games to provide supplies, the people reached up, believing it was the aid from the capitol announced in the announcement. The people died with hope in their hearts that they would survive, and that hope was destroyed the moment they exploded.
IDF reference
I still can't believe they killed off Prim. It wasn't necessary. (
Prim is my favorite why kill her
18 mins here
Literally 🇮🇱 is doing this double tap on civilians in 🇵🇸 and 🇱🇧 . . .
Comparing irl conflicts with fictional scenarios is cringe
@@large-turkey why do you care?
@@jimmy_x557 your reply to me makes no sense
@@large-turkeythese books were inspired by real life events tho
@@aydinali101 what?
Standing here I realize
You’re just like me
Trying to make history
But who’s to judge
The right or wrong..
The winners.
That's why July is named after Julius Caesar, and August after Augustus. Not to mention we still use a Roman calendar.
Disney Censored.
Someone pretends.
Credulous Person.
Believes.
What im wondering is why did Gale get all the hate for the bomb didn't Beetee also design it? Because nobody is hating on Beetee and everyone is hating on Gale
The second bomb was Gale’s idea. But Coin made the call to release them
Also can someone explain to me what happened in this whole scene, like why was katniss there? Is this the capitol and who bombed the citizens?
Have you even read the books?
damn
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Untung coin mati.. Serakah doi cm gegara mo dpt mekuasaan
Oh my goodness does Gale die
Nope he fucking survived it all
Why didn't she shot Gale?
Gale wasn't going to become the next dictator
She rather have him tortured than to have him died.
Because gale was locked away somewhere it was coin that killed prim she sent her out there she knew katniss was gonna be there
It's her whole thing- saving people she cares about
She couldn't bring herself to shoot her life long friend.
Literally Israel is doing this double tap on civilians in Lebanon and Palestine. . .
Hunger Games implies that the Capitalist employer can be sadistic to the employers and there is not limit. By showing this on TV, they teach the norm
The set design for the Capitol was pure disappointment on my end. Just grey buildings....
Nothing at all like the first and second film
It’s a conscious decision.
Probably an intentional choice to make it seem more cold and imposing compared to the first two films
@@seth8580 All choices are "intentional" Dose not change one thing i said about it being the most "Boring" and "Uninteresting" thing to look at.
The buildings in the new prequel movie look like this. Maybe its an old district in the city? Plus all the lights are out from lack of electricity
Don't forget that in the first 2 films, we saw how the Capitol was supposed to be viewed. Even without the war, it's very possible that the real Capitol isn't all like that. Just look at how many real life cities are portrayed on TV, especially in regards to big events, compared to their real life. The whole thing with the Capitol in the first 2 films was that everything was perfect, airbrushed, scripted, controlled, like a film in itself. We've heard about it in real life, cities moving rough sleepers and cleaning everywhere up before hosting big events. The coverage of the events showcasing everything that is good, modern, clean, wonderful about the city, and brushing all the bad things under the carpet. It's not just in certain countries either, they all do it.
Where was Katniss January 6th?
Do you think they deserved it?
No, obviously no. Innocent people don't "deserve" to be bombed.
Yes
From the District's point of view: yes
From my point of view: no.
@@thesimslover82884Only the children in the capital are innocent don’t lie to yourself.
@@amarionsparks-rz4gh That's who was bombed, and rebel medics. The Capitol citizens were under the same regime as the Districts. In real life this act would be considered a war crime, regardless of who was bombed.
Ireally love Gale he doesn't deserve this
It was his idea
yeah and it was a dumb idea@@MatBaconMC
@@bricklix2981your honor, Gale made the bomb, while purposely and knowingly killing children.
It was all an oopsie daisy. Please forgive him because reasons 🥺
@@chrishandsome9320it was coin who used the bombs, gael didnt drop them on civilians, its like if you were saying snow dropped bombs instead of coin, brainwashed ass
Bwahahahaha, what a joke.
Cringe
Your comment is a joke. 🤡
This is Gaza.
Gaza and those within it show a level of disregard for the lives of innocent children on par with the capitol. They'll rape and murder and kidnap to achieve their means.
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It's so cringe how people try to bring real world politics into fictional scenarios
It's so cringe to watch ppl cry over fictional scenarios and then feel nothing when similar events happen in real life@@large-turkey
@@jeremym1288 I never cried during this scene Imao what are you on 💀
Bringing REAL WORLD politics into a fictional world where the government literally forces children to fight each other every year is like comparing Donald Trump with Darth Vadet
Ayy one of the first people to comment 🤩
What I find so evil about this scene is that the bombs being dropped looked like the same parcels used in the hunger games to provide supplies, the people reached up, believing it was the aid from the capitol announced in the announcement. The people died with hope in their hearts that they would survive, and that hope was destroyed the moment they exploded.
Well, this is happening in reality in GAZA.
@@nourinanwar Look, I agree that what is happening in Gaza is downright unacceptable. But I don't think comparing fiction to real life tragedies is a good idea.
@@AlexTheNerd Well, I wish you only knew that most of these so called fictions that "they" create are part of the plan. Kindly look up about all the predictive programming that they do that people think all this is just fiction. Afterall if a fiction is able to hurt a person's feeling or conscience, then I believe reality should have more impact as that is where we live. We cannot run away from reality making excuses. If you were part of a fiction turned reality and were suffering would you want people saying, oh it's just fiction.
In a movie, a child was killed or abuse in monstrous ways. Say,something similar to the incident happened around you, would you still react in this fashion? I don't want a reply. This was not to offend you either. Why people like me are mentioning Gaza is because people have so many opinions when it comes to fictional characters and their despair. But what about actual HUMAN BEINGS? Why don't we care?
@@nourinanwaroh come on people compare Gaza to literally anything, workers of companies that have done nothing wrong are being harassed because the companies they work for have a slight association with Isreal, big deal. And you people act like Gaza is the only thing that is happening in the world. You’s sure forgot about Ukraine quickly when the trend died down, no mention of other thing happening like Sudan
@@omarbaba9892 I'm so sorry for you. And how quick were you to conclude that I don't speak for Sudan? Or Ukraine? Do you btw know Ukraine is an Israeli Ally Country, there are so many things happening around the world, you're right so please go educate yourself before judging people by a single comment.