NYC’s Newest Subway Platform Gates to Stop Fare Evasion & Subway Crime - ‘piggybacking’ Subway Fare
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- NYC’s Newest MTA Subway Platform Gates to Stop Subway Fare Evasion
Filmed January 4, 2023
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I don’t understand how MTA ever thought this particular gate design was going to discourage fare evasion. This is a fail in my opinion.
Those are just a test to see how it goes. They will test other models as well. In any casevthey said that since they installed those there was a 20% rise in fare collection at this station.
@@AL5520 Thanks for this info. I suppose a 20% increase in fare collection is good, depending on where the measurements begin. Just from this video, however, it was clear that fare evasion is still quite possible and easy to accomplish by those not wanting to pay. I will be interested to see what the other gate entry devices are like.
@@brucewilkinson8599 There is no 100% fare evasion system. We have similar fate gates for years in most stations, they are different as the plexiglass is higher (in both directions), has no frame and moves to the side (this model is among the others the MTA is considering) and in some places even plexiglass around to gates but there are passenger that bypass them but a good one will minimize the number. The MTA also looked at one that has an alarm when someone walks behind a paying passenger so they might tray it in the future.
Where I live there are far less fare evasions but e few times someone tried to pass behind me, I don't let them but I'm not sure this will be a wise thing to do in NYC.
I agree with you!
@@AL5520 I agree - no system can eliminate someone who’s determined to evade paying. I’ve had people try to follow me through fare gates here on the Atlanta subway. A thief will break into a secure house, given the opportunity; But I still have an alarm in my home. Deterrence is the goal - just don’t see the present example in this video as the best solution - an alarm might be an additional help.
This encourages people who never evaded to start evading. It's easier and actually more discreet to evade fares
exactly. they cant prove you didnt pay. you went through the gates. haha i dont understand why they dont use those circular gates from ceiling to floor? problem solved.
Just like the border
Enoy anarchy
More difficult for handicapped, wheelchair bound, walkers, strollers to get by big circular gates from ceiling to floor. @@BobRooney290
@@BobRooney290 they are using these new style gates to take into account the many people who are also carrying or pulling large pieces of luggage 🧳
Facts
They should use double gates. When entering, the first gate opens without having to tap the fare card, then you walk into a "buffer" area. In order to continue moving forward you need to tap your fare card while inside the buffer area and the second gate then opens. If you do not have a fare card or accidentally enter the buffer area, all you can do is move backwards and the first gate would open to let you out.
Yea man I love your idea!
You can't do that. People get robbed like that. You get trapped within those double gates, someone comes in keeps you trapped in and robs you.
Its a horrifying idea. Its one of the main reasons why I don't use the spindle gate. A woman expired within the spindle gate as she got mugged and the criminal stabbed her
while keeping her trapped within the spindle gate. She expired (sorry can't say the D-Word on TH-cam), she was found 2 hours later.
🤣
@@sengo2146
Its NOT funny, she was a mother of 3 kids. Her husband didn't find out until 12 hours later when police came knocking on his door.
Good idea, though I already suggested this to the department involved in this project; they told me they never seen/ heard this before. That's concerning!
In Chhicago in the 70s there were gates that would close behind each passenger before a second pair of gates would open in front of that passenger. This allows only one person at a time to pass. It was in the Illinois Central commuter train stations.
Exactly what I suggested to the person that's advising these gates for the MTA to implement; there are fundamental design principles lacking in the development of these subway station entry points.
The problem with that is that people will time the closing and intentionally slow down to get injured. Then sue. And the same people fighting for the MTA then turn on the MTA because someone got hurt. NYC the city of con artists.
This is super. I really had fun traveling with you! Wow! Thanks!
Might make sense to have entrances from one side /exits from the other gates as opposed to people coming in and going out through the same gates...
People watching is always fascinating. Yes, some people will always jump the fare to save some money. But look at how many people noticed the broken gate wide open and still decided to not use it and pay the right way.
These are suppose to stop fare evasion. The people you mentioned wouldn't have gone through the emergency gate even if it was opened.
@@stelity I understand that. But as I said, even with a gate wide open, most people are still inclined to do the right thing and pay for what I imagine are a variety of reasons.
@@Andrew-Collet The MTA already has the numbers for fare evasion. They feel it's important enough to address it because they're losing a lot of revenue. That's why they're creating this. They're not creating this because most people are inclined to do the right thing and pay the fare. If they can trust people to do the right thing and pay their fare, then there is no need for gates or turnstyles.
@@stelity You’re not telling me any groundbreaking piece of information that I don’t already know. All I said, by observation in this very video, that even with a wide open gate a large number of people still refused to go through and paid. That’s it. I’m not sure why we’re getting into the point of the gates that’s blatantly obvious already.
@@Andrew-Collet Oh, you probably never taken the train NYC. That would make more sense.
Great coverage!
It's disgusting that those cops are just standing there and not doing anything. Why should our taxes go to useless officers
Hmmm idk maybe since cops are called racist for arresting people
We have a very similar gate system in Stockholm Sweden. It feels pretty easy to use but of course there are people walking close behind sometimes to catch a free ride.
The old turnstiles seem to be more efficient for preventing evading. However, live in the city is expensive, and people think that might solve their problems.
More waste of money! Is fare evasion the real reason so many “accessible” stations remain unaccessible? What about the countless times they took money off my card because the stupid turnstile made me “swipe again” for no reason? BTW, I’ve opened the emergency gate for tourists because those full height turnstiles trapped someone! Geez, the list goes and and on. But yes MTA totally spend multi millions on guards and new gadgets.
You are right about the the countless times, they take money off your card and still won't open the gate. I remember one time at Canal Street in Chinatown there were 20 of us in line with the same issue, we each only had $2.50 left on our cards, enough to get to our destinations, and we scanned the machine and it took our $2.50, but refused to open the turnstile. We all had to buy new cards and try again, so it cost me $5.00 to ride one way instead of $2.50. Do they take into account how many people end up paying double fares, because many times those stupid turnstiles won't open? I hate those stupid cards!! I rode the subway for years with tokens and never once had a problem!! I seldom go into NY any more, and avoid the subway as much as possible!! 8:24
Hey Sifat. In the time it took to film this short video about fifty people still evaded paying. 😂 This is just a waste of taxpayer dollars. 😂👋🏽
Interesting. They probably expected some fare evasion, it seemed like the focus was more on not having to hire security to guard the emergency gates. Curious to see how many more people evade with the new gates vs the old. And might still need to hire security guards too. Wonder why they chose those gates, which seem like they're gonna break easily, instead of the scary ones that move suddenly and fold into their housing with a loud noise, and snap closed quickly behind you, they seem like they're gonna cut your legs off if you mess with them. The cost of maintaining these new gates might be more than the cost of security + fare evasion of the old fare entry system.
Security guards can't do anything. They have no law enforcement authority. And they are also unarmed. Its dangerous.
What NYC needs to do is hire more police officers JUST for the transit system and stand near the gates.
Problem is that this video showed 2 police officers on their phones and missed all the fare evasions happening right in front of them.
Because they are 40 feet away from the fare gates, instead of standing inside the system near the gates and watching the gates.
MTA is losing more fares because of this new system because groupings passing through as one fare.
Missed your Live stream today buddy, hope you will be doing one Saturday or Sunday.
Have a great Dirty weekend 😂
Hi from England 👍
I had no idea that NYC spends $2 million a month on security guards to block emergency gates!! LOL😮😮😮
Liked and subscribed 😘
Hello! Sifat, How are you, it's 9:40 pm , 10°C. I'm embarrassing to watch this, I don't understand what's going on.😮
Chaotic. Looks like a total fail. People trying to exit and enter through the same gates makes no sense. That being said, I could watch this all day!
They have these all over the world. It's amazing to me that it's 2024 and this is just now going in.
Yes i seen that
Eliminating toll takers doesn’t seem to really save money in the long run. For example, the Pennsylvania turnpike got rid of all their toll collectors and instituted toll by mail for people without EZ PASS, and the last I read, they’re $100 million and counting in uncollected tolls that people haven’t mailed in 🙄.
Can't believe an agency of this magnitude are using this flimsy entry system to deter farebeaters. I could have done better with cardboard and some duct tape. Unbelievable.
Couldn't Imagine having to go through that hassle everyday
Not merely life in the big city. This happens on the farm quite a bit as well-cows, horses, sheep there's always some that get through the gates. Hell, we used to do it at the movie theaters as kids. Even my current marriage, I barely made it past the courthouse gates.
Just here to take notes 👀
MTA managers never use the public transportation, they don't a clue what's going on the subway
This is really cool 😎 l like so much
So they are more useless than the original system used 😂
1:44 Employee card exists for security guards? It must be free real estate then
An unlimited amount of people can walk through the doors behind the person who paid their fare.
I think they have installed a higher double gates door. They cannot be sneaking into the turnstiles without paying the fare. Something is not right. Too many people are not paying the fare.
just make it free?
Yeah, but there’s no free ride. It’s required to pay the fare. You have pay the fare.
@@ScottysAir just make it free then. theres no rules if you make the rules.
I can't believe I just watched 8 minutes and 23 seconds of people "fare evading"... What the hell is wrong with me?
thats because NYPD are not stopping anyone anymore. you can go to any subway and see dozens of people just going through the gates without paying a dime. the fort hamilton station 11th avenue exit on the N line is definatly one of them!.
This is nice in practice but Piggybacking will replace turnstile jumping. I’d say the MTA should look into what BART is doing with their new faregates but they’re testing it out so it’ll be a while. Looks nice but fare evasion will still exist so this option will most likely not be in use systemwide.
The only fare gate that stops fare evasion is the Iron Maiden but that takes up too much space and isn’t efficient for the amount of foot traffic going back and forth.
they should have just kept the turnstile... lol
Stop Fare Evasion with the police just standing there? looks like they are working on it.
It's amazing the city will spend millions of dollars on this and yet keep people homeless, and continue to allow drug gangs and human trafficking thrive.
Those "platform gates" aka electronic turnstiles were made more for travelers with suitcases than anyone else since it's Jamaica/Archer and upstairs is the LIRR AND the air train. They have been at most London tube / train stations for years. What NYC transit should have is the zoning system where you have to swipe your Metrocard to get OUT of the station as well, and there needs to be more police at the train stations. This is ridiculous since there is always a heavy police presence at Jamaica/Archer.
Now you know how easy it is to fare evade.
They are are going to loose way more money this way 😂😂😂
This was a good try but a very bad idea. A large comb gate a bit higher would be even better & one that stays open for 2 seconds should do! Just a suggestion bc these turnstiles are a tryout. Let's see what they come up with next😀
It almost as if the people paying are the idiots.
It’s like they know people fare evade and they make these things more open and less bars
Where's this station at? I need to get to NYC for a free ride?
😂😂😂 lol now about 7 gates for fare evasion. Instead of 1. MTA is so smart lol
People wake up. This is only to modernize the subway system. Not to stop fare evaders. The cops don't even care. The MTA excuse is that it's a pilot program to cover the waste of money on these gates. Same thing as the parking meters. When you want to use your credit card it says "invalid card". And when you install the parking app. Always a problem.
You guys failed to realized that this fare gate design is not necessary to beat fare invasion it’s mostly for accessibility. There are designs proposed that MTA hasn’t finalized yet
I think your camera prevented more people from taking advantage of the broken gate! Good job! MTA should pay more TH-camrs like yourself to just stand there with cameras!
Not broken it is a new style
@@inwoodliver the one gate that was malfunctioning and stuck in the open position is what I was referring to as “broke” where some people were taking advantage of it by passing through and not paying, but the majority of people did not take advantage of it, I believe due to Sifat’s presence and his camera being obviously pointed in that direction
Didn't the old turnstile design prevent most of this?
I live in Montreal and until 2021, I had never seen anyone jump turnstiles or go in with someone else. Obviously it was happening prior, but not as frequently. A couple months ago, I pushed the button to exit the gate and someone entered while the gate was still open. Now, when I use the gates to exit, if I see someone approaching to enter, I stand in front of them until they close. Not saying they weren't going to pay, but I don't know that. I pay for transit and they should, too. The STM is bleeding money. Nowadays, I see a lot of people get on the bus without paying and the drivers aren't allowed to stop them in case of violence (however I've seen drivers tell the passenger to get off).
Good morning everyone
NO ONES PAYING FOR THAT WALKTHROUGH
LADY WITH BROWN DUFFLEBAG
I hate tap systems;
Germs!
Metrocard was better because you either swipe or bends it and you don’t have to touch anything like a screen
It's really a shame! And it is not that they cannot pay! You see them in their Ugg boots, LV bags, SM totes, etc, but it seems they cannot afford to pay 34 dollars per week for unlimited rides! I hope the whole system goes bankrupt and see what they do! When I moved to the Bronx, under Bloomberg I think, there was this broken window policy and people were afraid to get caught! So even in the SBS buses people were getting their tickets!
The MTA is really stupid. We are the capital of the world and we can’t create an innovative strategy for fare evasion. I call this ridiculous and a waste of time.
Everyone does this in NY. What's new?
The gates open up too slowly. They need to be faster and heavier. The MTA need to design the gates like the London Underground gates. But just to let you know people still tailgate. I don’t think you can stop people from dodging fairs but you can try and reduce it.
But they only fine people in poor communities
No they fine white people lmao
why would you have both exit and entry through the same gates? That's clearly not working at all and it's not efficient.
😂😂 wow
What a waste of money, half of the people are not paying...Brilliant!
This country is gone to hell the people are just bad to the bone you never saw this in old days 😞
Since contactless payments are going to be the future anyway, why not make the space between the two sides of any entry turnstile be a "readable" area, therefore the actual design and function of the swinging gate would be less critical because if they are carrying a contactless payment "method" (card or phone) it would still deduct fare even if the try to sneak through behind paying riders or custodial employees? I would guess that the majority of fare evaders still probably have a payment method on their person if if they occasionally evade. Sure it's a little creepy (big brother and all) but wouldn't that work for the most part and significantly reduce evasion?
Someone designed this to prevent fare evasion and other higher ups signed off on it. This is the biggest blunder since the occulus.
Officers ain’t doing anything because there’s too many fare evaders
Kids see those evaders and i worry
What they need is to actually put full gates up that are like 10 feet tall. Because I’m looking at this one and someone can easily hop around the other side. It’s not fair that people keep jumping the turn style without paying when I always pay. They definitely need to do something about it.
did you see the video. no need to hop around.
What good are the unarmed security guards when they cannot or detain anyone?!
As long as there is a disproportinate amount between the haves and have nots... fare beating, looting and crime will continue. It's about the economy.
People will still find a way to evade paying the fare. It's a constant cat and mouse game between riders and the MTA
The security guards are at Hunts Point Station and they let people jump the turnstile they don't even stop you. Perhaps they're scared or maybe they don't want to say anything to cause any confrontation.. these guys are a Hunts Point and yet they let people jump the turnstile
It’s the Bronx, I wouldn’t say a thing either 😂 as long as I’m getting paid to just stand there
"Come on & take a free ride" Tavares 😲 smh
I think it's easy to do Fare Evasion in Subway system because there are no strict rules. but if you do fare envasion in commuter rail ex. Lirr, MNRR, Metrolink you can fight with the conductor argue for not paying the fare police will be called and removed fare cheater from the train. I believe subway system need to be stricter with their policy.
I think the faregates have a higher bottom that is high above the floor to allow ducking the faregates. The fare evasion problem is not completely solved yet. Christian people call fare evasion "Stealing a ride."
I could take advantage of this Opener gate system you see the gaps between machines Yeah IM JUMPING THOSE. YOU see that massive Gap in the handycap entry Yeah im slipping straight under it No top sirens. To the machine a dog on the leash is with its owner. To me Im laughing at this It wont even slow me down Maybe the cop who is too eager to get me He is trying to evade paying to enter while i slipped like a jetstream straight under that handicap stall. Another one if i dont want to bend down to go under i step diagonal in the handicap to the left hand side you see the opening Yeah Im taking it. Come on now let me see the doors I could tell you Weather or not its easier to just slip your small wrist into the slot and pull the door open Gotta garden shovel I can use that if its locked. Ohhhh yeah all casino room keys You can Manipulate the machine because of the magnetic strip on the back Overriding the system some extra stuff. Remember guys You already pay to keep it running. Now you must pay again for services On your Paid for service.
Having new subway platform gates isn't going to stop fare evasion because I seen the video that people are walking through these gates without paying their fare and it's costing the MTA money for fare evasion and the MTA needs to come up with a newer plan so it can make it harder for people to evade the fare that's all.
The police is standing a mile away..............
Interesting video, Sifat but from what I saw, this new system is a fail. Not sure what the answer is but this doesn’t seem to be it. 🤷♂️
With all the migrants how many of them are going to pay the fair. If American see lots of them not paying why are Americans going to want to pay. They have to start inforcing fair evasion.
Keep the migrants out of this jeeez stay focused on this situation
Im not going to pay ...should be free..mta doesn't use the money for the rider's or cleanliness.. trash and roachs on the bx7,10,12 buses..ppl smoking on the456 train..shooting up dope..dont pay$3 n get a $150 ticket for hoping😂..n thn up prices fr cars 60th st down!.. but cant fix th roads!..smfh..wht by the end of 2024 it will be $5 a fair!😂Rents high! Foods high! We struggling to live in this city!..n thy worried about fare evades😂
I bet they paid some contractors about 12 million dollars to construct these gates that people are still sneaking through, what a waste as usual, then they want more money from “ Congestion Pricing “, to give to other gate geniuses
A bit time consuming considering people are in a rush in NYC
This doesnt work. Instead why not make a pass like ez pass for everyone. In order to enter the subway system ya need it. The gates, like customs entry. no entry to the subway without it.
The offices are getting paid to stand there and watch people go through what's the purpose of pain somebody to stand there and watch people go through can I get that job to watch people
very entertaining but yeah lot of abusers here. police arent doing anything to be honest.
It’s horrible!! And we the struggling hard working city workers pay for this ! Out of out taxes ! It’s disgusting how this city has become
Not a smart idea to come up with something like this I guess they want New York to turn into the wild Wild West ! 🙄☝🏼
that lady with the baby carriage almost got in the way
😬🙁😮
Law and Order is the only way as it was in the 1990s. Don't pay then do community service or jail and fines!!!
Need a better plan
Definitely, these new gates only make the fare evasion problem worse.
This is stupid, might as well make public transportation free in the whole state and just add a tax to the people.
Put some oil on your wheels
It's interesting to see how rushed everyone is.
😂😂😂
It looks cool but it’s already flawed
That transit worker should be responsible for letting those people in without paying
He is doing his job, why does he need to pay the price for other people’s actions
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clearly they wasted money 😂
Why dont they just have a Guy collect each individuals fare?
Those Gates are not helping at all