@@kazaren dead = bad XD say this to yourself when u die or to every pro player on the planet who died/lost game still can't understand bull shit u saying "maybe u are not the big fish and never going to be" xD wtf hahaha brother uhh go touch the grass this game sucks you like you suck hydra "shitty 9/5 job or why u might not have a girlfriend" man i swear a god, tell bob repoze or other content creators about not having gf they clearly doing smth wrong! 😂
I'll totally agree with you on the truth that complaining about gear wont make you better, but comparing the game to chess or counter strike where all players enter the game on an equal playing field (meaning the only gap is skill) is a bit silly. In a game like chess, its hard to be salty about things you dont have any control over like another player having optimized gear, its pretty obvious WHY a player would cope. Gear optimization is the entire point of the game for a reason, its super powerful. Brushing it aside like every game is decided via skill is a reductionist approach that only serves to antagonize bad or new players and make them quit the game, even if ultimately its a better mindset for self improvement.
Every player that died to that had the exact same opportunity to go in a lower gear bracket get gear and play the game but instead wanted it handed to them no one player had a better gear or class given to them unless you are speaking of streamer handouts which is a small percentage of the pool I got 3 kids and a wife only couple hours a day after they go to bed I could play and I'm wealthy in the game I made it happen if people want to have a loadout and be equal we had chivalry and many other games but wanting a loot extraction game soft core to make people feel better about themselves sucks and kills all investment other players put into learning the game and it also kills the addictive gameplay loop that has kept people thousands upon thousands of hours every other patch ever maybe 10% of people disagree this is the majority of players and content creators agreeing the only ones who don't think the gear was holding them back when in reality they held themselves back because "I shouldn't have to invest hours into the game to be good" that's the entire premise of the game is progression? But I respect your opinion understand where you see his flaws in perspective but also strongly disagree and see excuses
@@jojosdream he's just saying that having better gear doesn't inherently make you a more skillful player he's not saying they should change how the game works
What do you mean obviously the dude with plus 27 true phys with 200hp can easily be taken out by someone doing 6 damage per hit. Khaz just said so. It’s a completly level playing field and if you think otherwise you suck at the game. It’s your fault if you die in that case because you should have just grinded for 5 to 12 hours before going into the run.
Having a PVE only option for casuals would be nice. They could keep highroller and arena as the only pvp modes. When it comes to different levels of skill gear dont matter as much. Now for equal skill or around same skill level gear decides who wins. Thinking otherwise is foolish. What we are seeing is the streamers and youtubers who relied solely on gear over skill complaining how its not a geargap when they are getting owned by around equal skilled players and their gear isnt saving them anymore.
@@drkspawn32i think having a pve adventure mode would benefit the game. Like you said still with arena and other pvp options. The pvp slog cycle gets stale.
@@drkspawn32except those super high level players and streamers with really good gear are still gonna stomp almost everyone they see. There aren’t players of their skill level running around in squire lobbies contrary to whatever you may tell yourself it’s just not a thing. The players who are super high level as well who could challenge and beat these people or at least truly compete with them consistently are also in solid gear consistently as getting and more importantly retaining good sets is a skill in and of itself. A random kid in a chess club who has no rating and isn’t consistently playing highly rated games isn’t just gonna waltz in and slam GM players regardless of what he thinks because he’s “never got the chance to play them fairly” he’s just gonna realize he’s the best in his chess club maybe but can’t compete with the best and it’s the same here. You may have a guy who stomps squire lobbies a lot or is the best of his buddies but when he runs into a really good HR player who consistently runs good gear and does well he’s gonna get slammed even if gifted the same gear lol.
I have 1400 hours on the game and I dont really mind the update Its a game I supported so devs can make a game in their image If they say this update is the groundwork for future updates then I have no qualms about it as its THEIR game. I paid for early access to experience the game through its development and give feedback here and there but not to whine about something to the point that it causes segragation of the playerbase just because of a videogame ideology I hold. It's a fucking videogame. Let them do their work.
People just get salty when they lose in this game. That's it. The people who get curbed stomped in CSGO, they accuse the enemy for cheating and they report them. In this game they blame gear diff.
They ruined it yes. But they were aiming towards "...to reduce the time commitment and grind..." and they definitelly had to do something about that. Im vet in this game and i know ways to make gold. But average players could never play in their BiS and enjoy the game. Instead they were stuck in -24/-124 lobbies. You could die easily with just one mistake or a BiS player encounter. Now its way easier to play high roller or wear high end equipment (but now they worth nothing and this should get fixed asap)
@@EAErue I think it would do better to overhaul the matchmaking system so new players aren't pitted against veterans so consistently. He talks about how people cope and just blame the class or gear, but its hard to even improve or know what to improve when you get rolled in every single encounter. If you play against people in similar gear score with similar mechanical skill then I believe becoming more skilled would be a more pleasant climb for everyone at any skill level. Skill Based Matchmaking for normals would terrify people though
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone complained about gear when 24 and 124 gs queues existed. If you want to experience HR, then gear up. You can't? Juat play with low gear and hunt minibosses while evading PVP. Can't do that either? Maybe the HR rewards aren't meant for you then.
Finally someone spitting straight facts. Been loving to verse you this wipe in trios even though you had gear better than my team did, and the feeling of wiping your team or getting wiped by your team and losing/getting that gear can’t be compared. Now it’s all gone, sadge
I agree that a mindset of self accountability is a great one for improvement. However, there is a disingenuous argument here. Just because experience and skill are the primary factors in determining the outcome of a fight in Dark and Darker, that doesn't mean that gear doesn't play a role. If 2 players of equal skill fight, the one with more health and damage will win more often than not. Compounded with the fact that more experienced players tend to have higher base stats and a better understanding of build-crafting, it makes that task of trying to learn how to compete with those players seem insurmountable to many. Equalized gear helps remove one of the major hurdles less experienced players have to getting to that point. Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for gear equalization like we currently have, I think it's unhealthy and boring for the game. I'm simply sharing a perspective that explains why many are in favor of this recent hotfix.
Don't despair brother, You seem to have a amazing wife that loves you and makes hella great food and you both spend a healthy amount of time together. Who gives af about pixels when you've got that. Stay winning Cuq
Well Spoken Kaz, it's funny to me all the players with 3k+ hours share the same take and ironmace doesnt want to accept that we know morw than them, u didnt have to remind me i dont have a gf tho now il think more about harpies again
💯% Accurate to life, & of course, accurate to this game. Have just over 400hrs in the game (most on my Fame 280 Druid), & I've known since around level 100 during last wipe, that in this game skill = gold. All of the best have the most gold. The better you are in the game w/ your class, the more profitable you'll be. Doesn't take 2k hrs to realize that. Takes self-awareness, internal honesty, & some minor critical thinking -- all of which are severely lacking these days.
As a noob player myself, I do not want or care about being the "big fish". The problem was that I was not even a small fish, I was a die-to-mob-fish. The game was very unplayable at the beginning before, and it does not feel that way anymore 👍 Changes are not perfect, but that does not make them bad. This change made me come back to the game and I've been having a blast!! Yeah, I die to PvP yet, but heck it's fun again. Cheers mate, love your content :)
Thanks for the support 🙏I was also a die to mob fish back when I first started. I didn't dare to go down to hell the first playtest that I joined, The one after that, Even after the game released on its own launcher, I spent a solid 4-6 months trying to overcome my fear of hell and the mobs down there. Died endlessly, But I kept on going. Eventually I managed to figure out how to dodge the centaurs after 4 months of trying, Berserkers soon after, And eventually I learned how to path effectively as I had died countless times and remembered each and every path that went wrong. I used garbage gear, But I knew how to pull mobs in small amounts at each and every room so I wouldnt be overwhelmed. Sure nightmare mobs took 4-6 hits to kill but that didnt matter, I could dodge them all. Eventually I was brave enough to upgrade my gear because my confidence had grown and eventually I conquered hell all together. 6 months! Gear had nothing to do with that for me, Just me and my willingness to learn.
There are so many ways to go about things and I started as a die-to-mob player too. I took a separate path and instead of mostly experience I started accumulating knowledge. All the sources I could find about how mobs work, what are their attack patterns (@NotLikeThis for amazing video) and how I can better survive if I can't mechanically execute through cheesing and the like. The common denominator as @kazaren says is always time and effort no matter the gear changes.
so we must all suffer because you wont put in the time to learn how to attack, back away attack back away? i promise if you just put in the time or even watched a ryan6daysaweek video or both maybe, youd have been fine. no reason to be holding peoples hand this much even with pve the games meant to be hard
@@oxygen6931 You must understand that some people just want to play games and not think about it. I have a friend that plays regularly that just does not give a shit about what build, playstyle and stats are optimal. A lot of people just play and move on with their life and that's where the money comes from.
Heart broken by this update played a few games and now I have 0 want and need to play the game anymore leaving the game juiced full of money and gear that in my eyes is now valueless. Best of luck to everyone
On the exact same level I bought b06 for 100$ yesterday I won’t be opening up dad again prob. It’s been years and they still can’t stay on a path I’m done dealing with it new game time. 3,400 hr all playtest player here they ruined my will to play
"another thing i want to bring up if you recalled when gear on the last patch when poor items had 1 stat and commons had 2 that was already a system where gear had been nerfed, if you look back at discord or reddit or youtube to when about when gear got nerfed to that state post patch 69, people said finally gear diff isnt a thing you can outplay people, and somehow where back at the same spot right before the gear nerf back in the day, its all about gear skill doesnt matter anymore and ive noticed this is a cycle that has happened over and over and over again, gear will get nerfed, people will say oh finally its about skill then get shit on and die and get mad then start complaining about gear diff again, then gear will get nerfed AGAIN, theyre happy for a little bit then get shit on again and end up complaining further down the line, and this will keep happening until gear is worth LITERALLY nothing, and if the devs keep listening to the people that are constantly crying about getting gear diffed and if you didnt want to get gear diffed there was already a system setup for you in below 125 and 25 just exclusively queue squire kit lobbies, the devs need to stop listening to people that cry about getting gear diffed when they have already given opportunities to these people and leave the gear as it was" - repoze
I genuinely believe a very big portion of Dark and Darkers community has got some of the weakest generation of gamers I've ever seen. The entitlement , The belief that if they had it all they could succeed just the same. But that's not the reality we live in. I was raised with the absolute belief that anything I could possibly achieve in life is down to me. I get to decide the outcome of my life. That means putting in the effort and the hours. Getting good at anything takes time. There are no shortcuts unless you're just naturally gifted or talented, But even then, Even someone talented can fall short if they don't put in the time to refine their talent. I have no talents, I've grinded everything I consider myself to be good at. I know what my limits are and I'm at peace with that. That doesn't stop me from trying to get better and min maxing. Mindset can carry you so hard. This defeatist mentality of "gear gap" Is so fucking bad for people affected by it. They are literally holding themselves back without knowing it. Comforted by the fact that its out of their control so they don't have to even try and do something about it.
@@kazaren Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I agree with everything you've said man. The majority of the fun comes from the "journey" of improvement. That's how you can dump 1000s of hours into games like these. Shame some people don't understand that
And I hope you stick around to get even better. Cherish the journey, Being a new player in this game is such a blessing. Experiencing it all as a new player and getting cooked in every imaginable way and barely making it out. It gets your heart pumping.
@kazaren I'm a rocket league main switch to dad, analyzing my mistakes is second nature now 🤷🏼♂️ new hotfix is bad but I'll stick around for another season or two
Partially agree. I mean its pretty hard to play a 1v1 as a barb vs a 160 hp plus glee pdr fighter. Or play caster lock into a ramger that 2 hits you from out of your effective range. But you can usually avoid fights if thats your thing i suppose. But very obviously the skill of a player matters more than gear 95% of the time
The problem I have is every time I play people are teaming. I'm always playing against a 3 man stack in Crypt and even in Goblin Caves people are still teaming so I'm still fighting a 1 on 2.
I agree that in any kind of game you inevitably have to die to learn how to play better, the issue in this game for new players is that gear is quite expensive, and even if you make a budget kit, it's very likely that you die without making any profit, and so you have to go back to farm for gear that sells for 30 gold in the 0-24 bracket for a long time before you can attempt to build another kit, and the learning process becomes long and frustrating... I think the idea behind the infamous patch was simply to make cheaper gear usable for new players, and improve their onboarding process, the fact that it failed is another discussion
its clear and evident that the entire community has absolutely no idea the direction their going, the amount of bchin and moaning is so crazy, most spoilt community out there for a game thats not even 1.0 release.
I agree with all you said. And actively working on getting better. Just one small thing you said. "There is nothing I can do about this class." Well, maybe there is, but i fail to see what... Encountering barb with my warlock (ms 314), put some spells into him, turn on firewalker, and he still catches me (we started half a module apart), and kills me with horsemans axe attacking woth speed of rondel. So... what CAN I do against that?
I agree with all of these points except for when you said people are better suited for certain things. I think they are better suited for things like strategy, or mobas or anything simply because they have more experience with those things. Talent does not exist and it is just our brain realizing that this new task we are trying to get better at is similar to another task we are proficient in, then it fills in the gaps. If someone is bad a twitchy shooters, they can play and improve at that thing and eventually get good, regardless of physical or mental barriers.
I only downvoted bc this is a rant when I thought this would have some information(there was substance with a different video that included actual tactics or understanding, but the title was "Here is why you suck a Dark and Darker". Like he shows the mechanics.). Just FYI dont be mad the devs are just trying something. It's always changing. The change isn't permanent, but crying to the community about their tears is just ew. Idk why this came on my feed.
Plenty of info in here. I explained pretty well. Not understanding it is another issue all together. And no Im not against changes that are well reasoned and explained, With an actual roadmap and plan laid out for all to see. The issue is, There *isnt* We had them add +3 all stat back in over and over even tho it didnt work, They added multi classing even tho it would be impossible to balance. Again it does not take someone with the average intelligence to come to the same conclusion. Its simply too many balls to juggle, Too many variations. Wasted dev time. This update suffers from the same issue, No plan. And no do not take their word for it. They have bullshitted their way into so many dead ends with the promise that they knew what they were doing. It's very much clear now after a million fuck ups that they do in fact NOT know what they are doing. Have you ever seen bad management take companies down with poor financial decision after another? Do you think these guys are immune to it? We don't want more number tweaks we want content that adds to the game not take away from it. Shit that keeps people playing.
@@kazaren Buddy, everyone is starved for more content. Devs could only focus on content with no changes to anything and people still would complain. Content does take time. The one thing the devs abslutely affect in timely manners is the feedback they get. They know people will complain every patch, they want them to test it out and get real feedback. this is not a roadmap, it is a damn experiment. Your messaging sucks for this. Like I would not subscribe to this. low quality, one continuous scene with no gameplay clips, no pointers/diagrams/anything to hold my attention. It just sounds like crying, just watch the video over and pretend it's not you. I'm not changing this. I explained what you are doing wrong. I hope this gave some insight on your Tube.
I remember kazaren - aikira fighting with us 20 match a row with draw ( we cant defeat each other )in first season ruins.I am ok with less gear dependent . But this is too much . Example Just make squire falchion dmg 41 green 42 blue 44 epic 45 legend 46 . That way squire kits can outplay legend kits but needs a efford . Also gem system would be perfect imo . Right now ranger and barb dominates . Fundamental changes killing this game . After 4k hours I can say They need to change things more slowly ,lightly .
03:14 I agree, but I think something people might be neglecting that, even if we assume (and rightfully so) that better and more experienced players > worse players, their goal (IMs that is) could still be to make the gap narrower from top to bottom. By nerfing all damage, it is, in a way, doing that, like it or not. By nerfing top heavy equipment it is also doing that. Is it a elegant way or even right wya of doing it?...in this case it DOES seem like its just...dumb. BUT, it could still be their goal. It's like say everyone had weapons that could do 1-10 damage, if those were now made to do 2-9 max, the gap between the best and the worse SHOULD, in theory, at least be narrower. I'm honestly not THAT invested in this discussion, as I just more or less enjoy the game and it's not like its my "main game". Whilst back in the day LoL was my "main game", changes like these would affect me way more, if that makes sense. And I wonder if their data doesn't say that "most players" are in the not-so-invested side of the discussion? Quick Edit: And as far as your last point goes. The whole "you can do anything, and change anything" kinda vibe, I get your point towards this game, BUT, one could also play devils advocate here and just say that so should you and all the other top players and people on reddit do, right? You can adapt and cope with the changes, instead of "crying like babies" :P
Yup that's how it goes. Quite a lot of people have gear fear and don't want to bring good gear into games and when you kill them, they start complaining that you "gear diffed" them. Like bro why are you coming to HR in minimum gear with bad rolls if you think "gear diff" matters so much. Some people have said that I did so well as a Barbarian (pre patch#69) because I was running full legendary kits and "gear diffed" everyone. Completely ignoring the fact that I have 2400h on this game and my Barbarian is close to 500 fame. But no it couldn't be that, must be "gear diff"
I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. "Gear gap" hardly means someone beat you JUST because they had slightly better gear than you. This only holds true if your playing something like a base kit ranger vs a full BIS fighter where you are virtually unable to deal any damage to them. As soon as you invest 2-5k gold on a set or find a couple good pieces in raid, you have the option to outskill or kill anyone. Ive been killing people with 10k worth of gear as a wizard in a 500g kit. Also people in 20k kits as a warlock with a 2-3k gold luck set. I really dont see how people have these matches where its "impossible" to win outside of trios. And in trios this is entirely a class balance issue because cleric + frontline renders any kind of skill expression meaningless when cleric gives their frontliner 1000 ehp (at least on last patch).
Gear diff definetly exists, and its good, you should feel strong with good gear! It’s also a big risk bringing crazy gear to the dungeon, and paints a big target on your back. Good gear will only get you so far, you won’t steamroll lobbies purely based on gear. Nothing of this matters now, everyone is running bis squire kits, and there is only 2 classes left in the game.
Think you might've misunderstood what I meant with gear dif. I meant it as you're good enough and you'll find ways to gear up and beat bigger opponents. Like climbing a ladder. There's nothing stopping anyone from climbing that ladder. The journey is equal for all to take. And as you said, good gear will only take you so far. I hope we get back on track with future update. Cuz as of now this ain't it.
i quit playing because the pool of players shrunk and every dungeon i entered i was at the bottom of the new skill level and was hunted relentlessly by players that just wanted to kill people. this was inevitable and happens to all games like this. when players cant extract they arent having fun. why play after that?
a game where skill matters should have SKILL BRACKETS or MMR SYSTEM. this is the biggest problem with this game is im 38 years old and will never be better are these sweatlord kids so does that mean i shouldnt be an iron mace customer? That's why i think pvp should be opt in like either arena only or flag pvp on or off in dungeon.
If people keep making videos hopefully they’ll revert it. Every. Single. One. Of my favorite games has been ruined by an incompetent dev team. They always fundamentally ruin the game. Thanks for making this brother.
Class based game. Hard to avoid unfortunately. Why I avoid that queue religiously. The classes are meant to compliment each other, Imagine playing overwatch but as a extraction looter based game, Imagine you main Mercy and run into Widowmaker in the game in a 1v1. This game definitely isn't built for solos. Its hard to make things not get hard countered when they are supposed to be really good at one thing or two, And suck at the rest to even it out.
@@countdracula9763 Negative IQ lead dev decides to release another negative IQ patch, Oh wow I can't wait to see what they got in store for us *Opens the game* They removed mem cap from the game, All my gear Ive min maxed to at least be able to cast my spells is completely dead. More time wasted and down the drain as usual. W ironmace.
This is true good and bad gear I know am still dogshit. I never coped but I do get mad, very mad. DaD players should try monster hunter imo it's doing wonders for my mental.
Listen, gear diff *is* real, just look at barbarian and crystal sword fighter.Some matchups you just cannot win by gear diff.And thats ok. Making the gear communist was not the way to go about it.Ever.
What a real Video. Wish the Devs would have the 5 iq required to think like this. Literally the biggest games on the market all have equal opportunity and unequal outcome. Trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist killed this game if they dont revert. There is a reason why they are PVE and story games. If you don´t want to compete you dont have to, this game is just not for you.
The devs need to understand that if the people winning in matches are saying the update sucks, the pvp is boring, and there’s no point to looting maybe they should think about reverting idk man
I agree but there is a difference between copying and a problem in the game like how op demon lock used to be and how ruins used to be way to open before getting rework but also complaining wil never make you better at any game I realy think last patch the game was fine maby fighter was a lilt strong and rouge could use a small buff but iron mace need to focus on adding new stuf like sorserer and new maps
I agree with the vid all gear gap can be overcomed by skill gap, but you dont want to put a literal goliath vs david situation if possible (it doesnt feel good) and if the game is extremely unbalanced this is only true in almost ridiculous scenarios. So in this game is better to make pvp challenging, not a boss fight if possible, and make better player brackets and gs brackets. They tried to flatten gear over all queues (unless we have only 1 queue in the future, which would be horrible puting fresh players next to 5k hrs) which is a mistake, but they just had to lessen gear diff in each queue (and take one queue out, if we dont have enough players to have so many or sdf wants to do it), we still have 3 queues, and the game naturally entices players good players that get good loot to use it and go higher league with people with similar achievements in gear (now it doesnt), we could entice it even more by making under 22 gs (yes 22, i dont want ppl sneaking in jewelry to ppl who dont even know what gs is) a loot drop similar to patch 67, then over 22 gs normals have a loot drop similar to patch 68 so they can easily farm to go to HR, where the min gs requirement could be all epic gear aprox have a epic gear be the standard loot. For example put a gear cap in over 22 gs normals so that players with very high disparity of gear cannot meet, for example the max gear score is a full blue kit, and if they want to run their full epic kit they have to face legendary. They could do some gear squishing if there is still too much gear gap in SAME queues, for example from 1-7 stats to 4-7(a little higher stats in squire= better casual exp in pve) and have shared stats in pairs, uncommon/rare, epic, legendary/unique but to differenciate them have 1 and 2 random rolls respectively in each pair (except unique who has 3 rolls)
Kaz is correct all making the gear equal did was make it so that stat check vs my game knowledge is gone the small advantage you had as someone with less hrs is gone now.
I also want to say bro there was gearscore brackets previously why is that not being talked about? You didnt have to fight geared players if you didnt want to.
Meh, the distinction between player skill vs gear gap does not disprove the factual existence of a gear gap in a given encounter... you just don't consider that a problem, which is fine... but this is a different claim.
Mostly true about putting in the hours and everyone's inherent capabilities as an individual but the game has always suffered from relatively low skill expression and at higher levels very quick TTK, played since playtest 1 or 2 but the devs have somehow kept making the game worse rofl they should've changed the itemization but not in this way how everything is the same base stats I also don't understand why they're insistent on not adding proper melee mechanics just give some decent parry mechanics or sidesteps and there's already way more skill expression
OK but getting barb diff'd as a rogue isn't my fault when I've poked him to 5 hp in a skirmish then he rages, turns around and one taps me from full HP with a felling axe, that's ridiculous. I want to be able to do melee combat in pvp as rogue but doing it against barbs is suicide. he shouldn't be able to capatalize on ONE SINGLE mistake I made because his axe swings faster then MY KNIFE. and if I ambush an enemy from the dark or stealth. sure. I'll deal 70% when I pop out but he deals 100% when he turns around. AND moves faster then rogues when raged. it's ridiculous... Oh. wait. this complaint isn't about gear. it's about barb.
The issue usually is not gear gap, After the update with the reduction in total hp there is more gear gap than before the update though. Since with damage gear the caster classes can all be 1 shot. The issue with this game is cheater gap. Most of the people you are dying to are just cheating, Over 50% of teams in normal lobbies are cheating and 1-2 teams in every HR lobby are cheating. The cheaters tend to have very good gear since they never die, And so people see that and think it was a gear gap and not that this team used esp and aimbot to win.
Why are we assuming that sdf cooked up these changes because of casuals? Has there been more crying about gear disparity lately? I'm asking, cause I remember seeing his message on how they decided to move the game towards "their vision" and I don't think there was any mention there of making the game more casual friendly.
Casuals? You are the item hoarding casuals who got offended when your monkey work went cheap labor. Real men have never given anything but zero F-s about gear in this hardcore pvp game. From pvp perspective this patch is an absolute good, because it is way less scoobydooing than before, which is totally fine.
You do have a point, however gear dif is 100% a thing and a problem. The fact that two people at the same skill level is decided by people spending obscene amounts of gold on a kit it stupid. People min maxxing to bring in copper light to instantly have an advantage is stupid. People being able to spend money and not play the game in order to get a guarenteed win against skilled players is not a viable pvp system. I should not be instantly killed going into hr because someone has solid frostlight or lego kits. That is not a fun experience. The current hotfix is a little rough but no one ever said this was the final version.
I love watching casuals complain in reddit and the devs listening to them instead of fixing bugs that havent been fixed for actual years like having spell audio stuck on you
good points but gear having no value anymore makes the game feel like cod, lots of people pvped to get other players bis gear and thats exciting, no point in doing that anymore, everyone runs squire
If you can consistently use 5k kits you are at least as skilled as average 5k kit user, or skilled enough to win at least 2 out of 3 fights against 2.5k kit, and so on
Yepp there is a curve. Also recognizing someone is out of your League while fighting them is also a skill in itself. Sometimes I find some turbo longsword user or ranger that shits all over me and if Im somehow still alive I literally just leave. I wanted smoke and now I got some, And I would like to keep my set so I just dip if thats an option still. I don't have to win every fight, Sometimes winning just means I get to take blue and go home after fighting absolute demons.
This can't be true, because it means that if I die then it's my own fault, and I don't like that.
Imagine people like this in other games, Wait I don't have to "Im stuck in silver because of my teammates gg"
@@kazaren If geargap dont matter why are you making a video about it?
@@drkspawn32 hes delusional
Kazaren acting like a goat but in reality if u watch hes streams hes just average toxic player who makes mistakes like everyone
@@kazaren dead = bad XD
say this to yourself when u die or to every pro player on the planet who died/lost game
still can't understand bull shit u saying
"maybe u are not the big fish and never going to be" xD wtf hahaha brother uhh go touch the grass this game sucks you like you suck hydra
"shitty 9/5 job or why u might not have a girlfriend" man i swear a god, tell bob repoze or other content creators about not having gf they clearly doing smth wrong! 😂
I'll totally agree with you on the truth that complaining about gear wont make you better, but comparing the game to chess or counter strike where all players enter the game on an equal playing field (meaning the only gap is skill) is a bit silly. In a game like chess, its hard to be salty about things you dont have any control over like another player having optimized gear, its pretty obvious WHY a player would cope. Gear optimization is the entire point of the game for a reason, its super powerful. Brushing it aside like every game is decided via skill is a reductionist approach that only serves to antagonize bad or new players and make them quit the game, even if ultimately its a better mindset for self improvement.
Every player that died to that had the exact same opportunity to go in a lower gear bracket get gear and play the game but instead wanted it handed to them no one player had a better gear or class given to them unless you are speaking of streamer handouts which is a small percentage of the pool I got 3 kids and a wife only couple hours a day after they go to bed I could play and I'm wealthy in the game I made it happen if people want to have a loadout and be equal we had chivalry and many other games but wanting a loot extraction game soft core to make people feel better about themselves sucks and kills all investment other players put into learning the game and it also kills the addictive gameplay loop that has kept people thousands upon thousands of hours every other patch ever maybe 10% of people disagree this is the majority of players and content creators agreeing the only ones who don't think the gear was holding them back when in reality they held themselves back because "I shouldn't have to invest hours into the game to be good" that's the entire premise of the game is progression? But I respect your opinion understand where you see his flaws in perspective but also strongly disagree and see excuses
@@jojosdream he's just saying that having better gear doesn't inherently make you a more skillful player he's not saying they should change how the game works
What do you mean obviously the dude with plus 27 true phys with 200hp can easily be taken out by someone doing 6 damage per hit. Khaz just said so. It’s a completly level playing field and if you think otherwise you suck at the game. It’s your fault if you die in that case because you should have just grinded for 5 to 12 hours before going into the run.
When the casuals find out that having "equal gear" still won't make them good, they'll just cry and ask to remove PvP next.
Nice straw man 😂
Having a PVE only option for casuals would be nice. They could keep highroller and arena as the only pvp modes. When it comes to different levels of skill gear dont matter as much. Now for equal skill or around same skill level gear decides who wins. Thinking otherwise is foolish. What we are seeing is the streamers and youtubers who relied solely on gear over skill complaining how its not a geargap when they are getting owned by around equal skilled players and their gear isnt saving them anymore.
@@drkspawn32i think having a pve adventure mode would benefit the game. Like you said still with arena and other pvp options. The pvp slog cycle gets stale.
@@drkspawn32except those super high level players and streamers with really good gear are still gonna stomp almost everyone they see. There aren’t players of their skill level running around in squire lobbies contrary to whatever you may tell yourself it’s just not a thing. The players who are super high level as well who could challenge and beat these people or at least truly compete with them consistently are also in solid gear consistently as getting and more importantly retaining good sets is a skill in and of itself. A random kid in a chess club who has no rating and isn’t consistently playing highly rated games isn’t just gonna waltz in and slam GM players regardless of what he thinks because he’s “never got the chance to play them fairly” he’s just gonna realize he’s the best in his chess club maybe but can’t compete with the best and it’s the same here. You may have a guy who stomps squire lobbies a lot or is the best of his buddies but when he runs into a really good HR player who consistently runs good gear and does well he’s gonna get slammed even if gifted the same gear lol.
@@kami6374no it’s called a slippery slope
I work 9-5 and still got 1500 hours and 150k in gold working a job has nothing to do with it people just crying 💀
I have 1400 hours on the game and I dont really mind the update
Its a game I supported so devs can make a game in their image
If they say this update is the groundwork for future updates then I have no qualms about it as its THEIR game. I paid for early access to experience the game through its development and give feedback here and there but not to whine about something to the point that it causes segragation of the playerbase just because of a videogame ideology I hold.
It's a fucking videogame. Let them do their work.
People just get salty when they lose in this game. That's it. The people who get curbed stomped in CSGO, they accuse the enemy for cheating and they report them. In this game they blame gear diff.
Miss your videos man!
Red the goat
Well said, SDF listening to casuals who have barely any experience has ruined this game.
They ruined it yes. But they were aiming towards "...to reduce the time commitment and grind..." and they definitelly had to do something about that. Im vet in this game and i know ways to make gold. But average players could never play in their BiS and enjoy the game. Instead they were stuck in -24/-124 lobbies. You could die easily with just one mistake or a BiS player encounter. Now its way easier to play high roller or wear high end equipment (but now they worth nothing and this should get fixed asap)
Not surprising considering he is one himself. He barely plays
@@EAErue I think it would do better to overhaul the matchmaking system so new players aren't pitted against veterans so consistently. He talks about how people cope and just blame the class or gear, but its hard to even improve or know what to improve when you get rolled in every single encounter. If you play against people in similar gear score with similar mechanical skill then I believe becoming more skilled would be a more pleasant climb for everyone at any skill level. Skill Based Matchmaking for normals would terrify people though
@@EAErue ".to reduce the time commitment and grind." patch 68s loot buff mostly fixed this
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone complained about gear when 24 and 124 gs queues existed. If you want to experience HR, then gear up. You can't? Juat play with low gear and hunt minibosses while evading PVP. Can't do that either? Maybe the HR rewards aren't meant for you then.
such a beautiful video ❤
Bruh wtf, we just learned in Canada policy about equality is not equity hits home lol good vid
Certain things are simply universal no matter where its applied.
Finally someone spitting straight facts. Been loving to verse you this wipe in trios even though you had gear better than my team did, and the feeling of wiping your team or getting wiped by your team and losing/getting that gear can’t be compared. Now it’s all gone, sadge
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best DaD video ever made and there wasn’t a second of gameplay
You're wrong , Because this video exists th-cam.com/video/W9QRpE3W3wQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=G3Ss7-54U9bDVFlw
@@kazaren Damn son, where'd you conjure this?
Keep pushing they need to hear it
I agree that a mindset of self accountability is a great one for improvement. However, there is a disingenuous argument here. Just because experience and skill are the primary factors in determining the outcome of a fight in Dark and Darker, that doesn't mean that gear doesn't play a role. If 2 players of equal skill fight, the one with more health and damage will win more often than not. Compounded with the fact that more experienced players tend to have higher base stats and a better understanding of build-crafting, it makes that task of trying to learn how to compete with those players seem insurmountable to many. Equalized gear helps remove one of the major hurdles less experienced players have to getting to that point.
Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for gear equalization like we currently have, I think it's unhealthy and boring for the game. I'm simply sharing a perspective that explains why many are in favor of this recent hotfix.
I AM SAD BRO
Don't despair brother, You seem to have a amazing wife that loves you and makes hella great food and you both spend a healthy amount of time together. Who gives af about pixels when you've got that. Stay winning Cuq
Finally, they came out with a good patch to fix the gear gap! First good patch I've seen.
well thank you kind sir, have a continued lovely day yourself (i stopped at 1:25)
Looter extraction game where loot doesnt mean anything anymore. Every lobby is sub25
Well Spoken Kaz, it's funny to me all the players with 3k+ hours share the same take and ironmace doesnt want to accept that we know morw than them, u didnt have to remind me i dont have a gf tho now il think more about harpies again
Ayo
Thanks for this Kazaren. Great perspective and well put
💯% Accurate to life, & of course, accurate to this game.
Have just over 400hrs in the game (most on my Fame 280 Druid), & I've known since around level 100 during last wipe, that in this game skill = gold.
All of the best have the most gold. The better you are in the game w/ your class, the more profitable you'll be.
Doesn't take 2k hrs to realize that. Takes self-awareness, internal honesty, & some minor critical thinking -- all of which are severely lacking these days.
True and based
Words of a true billionaire
As a noob player myself, I do not want or care about being the "big fish". The problem was that I was not even a small fish, I was a die-to-mob-fish. The game was very unplayable at the beginning before, and it does not feel that way anymore 👍
Changes are not perfect, but that does not make them bad. This change made me come back to the game and I've been having a blast!! Yeah, I die to PvP yet, but heck it's fun again.
Cheers mate, love your content :)
Thanks for the support 🙏I was also a die to mob fish back when I first started. I didn't dare to go down to hell the first playtest that I joined, The one after that, Even after the game released on its own launcher, I spent a solid 4-6 months trying to overcome my fear of hell and the mobs down there. Died endlessly, But I kept on going. Eventually I managed to figure out how to dodge the centaurs after 4 months of trying, Berserkers soon after, And eventually I learned how to path effectively as I had died countless times and remembered each and every path that went wrong. I used garbage gear, But I knew how to pull mobs in small amounts at each and every room so I wouldnt be overwhelmed. Sure nightmare mobs took 4-6 hits to kill but that didnt matter, I could dodge them all. Eventually I was brave enough to upgrade my gear because my confidence had grown and eventually I conquered hell all together. 6 months! Gear had nothing to do with that for me, Just me and my willingness to learn.
There are so many ways to go about things and I started as a die-to-mob player too. I took a separate path and instead of mostly experience I started accumulating knowledge. All the sources I could find about how mobs work, what are their attack patterns (@NotLikeThis for amazing video) and how I can better survive if I can't mechanically execute through cheesing and the like. The common denominator as @kazaren says is always time and effort no matter the gear changes.
@@Fantoohot People like Ryan6DaysAWeek is a blessing for a game like this, a library of hardcoded knowledge.
so we must all suffer because you wont put in the time to learn how to attack, back away attack back away? i promise if you just put in the time or even watched a ryan6daysaweek video or both maybe, youd have been fine. no reason to be holding peoples hand this much even with pve the games meant to be hard
@@oxygen6931 You must understand that some people just want to play games and not think about it. I have a friend that plays regularly that just does not give a shit about what build, playstyle and stats are optimal. A lot of people just play and move on with their life and that's where the money comes from.
Heart broken by this update played a few games and now I have 0 want and need to play the game anymore leaving the game juiced full of money and gear that in my eyes is now valueless. Best of luck to everyone
On the exact same level I bought b06 for 100$ yesterday I won’t be opening up dad again prob. It’s been years and they still can’t stay on a path I’m done dealing with it new game time. 3,400 hr all playtest player here they ruined my will to play
@@CrankRages0127 I can deal with bad balance changes, But removing the only thing this games got going......yeah
Equal opportunity dose not mean equal outcome, well said brother! Hope you had a great weekend too.
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W KAZ
"another thing i want to bring up if you recalled when gear on the last patch when poor items had 1 stat and commons had 2 that was already a system where gear had been nerfed, if you look back at discord or reddit or youtube to when about when gear got nerfed to that state post patch 69, people said finally gear diff isnt a thing you can outplay people, and somehow where back at the same spot right before the gear nerf back in the day, its all about gear skill doesnt matter anymore and ive noticed this is a cycle that has happened over and over and over again, gear will get nerfed, people will say oh finally its about skill then get shit on and die and get mad then start complaining about gear diff again, then gear will get nerfed AGAIN, theyre happy for a little bit then get shit on again and end up complaining further down the line, and this will keep happening until gear is worth LITERALLY nothing, and if the devs keep listening to the people that are constantly crying about getting gear diffed and if you didnt want to get gear diffed there was already a system setup for you in below 125 and 25 just exclusively queue squire kit lobbies, the devs need to stop listening to people that cry about getting gear diffed when they have already given opportunities to these people and leave the gear as it was" - repoze
Repoze is extremely based
Preach! These are facts my friends.. yet somehow so many people seem to be missing the point entirely.
You the business fr bro. Salute.
It's really mind blowing that this needs to be spelt out to some people but here we are.... thanks for summing it all up perfectly
I genuinely believe a very big portion of Dark and Darkers community has got some of the weakest generation of gamers I've ever seen. The entitlement , The belief that if they had it all they could succeed just the same. But that's not the reality we live in. I was raised with the absolute belief that anything I could possibly achieve in life is down to me. I get to decide the outcome of my life. That means putting in the effort and the hours. Getting good at anything takes time. There are no shortcuts unless you're just naturally gifted or talented, But even then, Even someone talented can fall short if they don't put in the time to refine their talent. I have no talents, I've grinded everything I consider myself to be good at. I know what my limits are and I'm at peace with that. That doesn't stop me from trying to get better and min maxing. Mindset can carry you so hard. This defeatist mentality of "gear gap" Is so fucking bad for people affected by it. They are literally holding themselves back without knowing it. Comforted by the fact that its out of their control so they don't have to even try and do something about it.
@@kazaren Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I agree with everything you've said man. The majority of the fun comes from the "journey" of improvement. That's how you can dump 1000s of hours into games like these. Shame some people don't understand that
truth
alright stops video at 1:30 i mean hes right and im still new but im getting better
And I hope you stick around to get even better. Cherish the journey, Being a new player in this game is such a blessing. Experiencing it all as a new player and getting cooked in every imaginable way and barely making it out. It gets your heart pumping.
@kazaren I'm a rocket league main switch to dad, analyzing my mistakes is second nature now 🤷🏼♂️ new hotfix is bad but I'll stick around for another season or two
Coping about coping is a new level for dark and darker lmao
I agreed with you but still watched the video past your warning. Very well put.
Partially agree. I mean its pretty hard to play a 1v1 as a barb vs a 160 hp plus glee pdr fighter. Or play caster lock into a ramger that 2 hits you from out of your effective range. But you can usually avoid fights if thats your thing i suppose.
But very obviously the skill of a player matters more than gear 95% of the time
i was waiting so much your video 😂😂😂
I managed to deal with all their shit up until this patch. This was it 😂
The problem I have is every time I play people are teaming. I'm always playing against a 3 man stack in Crypt and even in Goblin Caves people are still teaming so I'm still fighting a 1 on 2.
Best bet is to find some friends that play or do fill on duo/trios. Hardly ever will you see teams teaming up with other teams
@@CookeDaWook there wasn't a fill option when I played and I don't have any friends who play dark and darker.
I agree that in any kind of game you inevitably have to die to learn how to play better, the issue in this game for new players is that gear is quite expensive, and even if you make a budget kit, it's very likely that you die without making any profit, and so you have to go back to farm for gear that sells for 30 gold in the 0-24 bracket for a long time before you can attempt to build another kit, and the learning process becomes long and frustrating...
I think the idea behind the infamous patch was simply to make cheaper gear usable for new players, and improve their onboarding process, the fact that it failed is another discussion
its clear and evident that the entire community has absolutely no idea the direction their going, the amount of bchin and moaning is so crazy, most spoilt community out there for a game thats not even 1.0 release.
I agree with all you said. And actively working on getting better.
Just one small thing you said.
"There is nothing I can do about this class."
Well, maybe there is, but i fail to see what...
Encountering barb with my warlock (ms 314), put some spells into him, turn on firewalker, and he still catches me (we started half a module apart), and kills me with horsemans axe attacking woth speed of rondel.
So... what CAN I do against that?
I agree with all of these points except for when you said people are better suited for certain things. I think they are better suited for things like strategy, or mobas or anything simply because they have more experience with those things. Talent does not exist and it is just our brain realizing that this new task we are trying to get better at is similar to another task we are proficient in, then it fills in the gaps. If someone is bad a twitchy shooters, they can play and improve at that thing and eventually get good, regardless of physical or mental barriers.
There is definitely a time element to getting good gear as well. Though last patch removed that I think.
I stopped at 1:26, enjoy your day.
I only downvoted bc this is a rant when I thought this would have some information(there was substance with a different video that included actual tactics or understanding, but the title was "Here is why you suck a Dark and Darker". Like he shows the mechanics.). Just FYI dont be mad the devs are just trying something. It's always changing. The change isn't permanent, but crying to the community about their tears is just ew. Idk why this came on my feed.
Plenty of info in here. I explained pretty well. Not understanding it is another issue all together. And no Im not against changes that are well reasoned and explained, With an actual roadmap and plan laid out for all to see. The issue is, There *isnt* We had them add +3 all stat back in over and over even tho it didnt work, They added multi classing even tho it would be impossible to balance. Again it does not take someone with the average intelligence to come to the same conclusion. Its simply too many balls to juggle, Too many variations. Wasted dev time. This update suffers from the same issue, No plan. And no do not take their word for it. They have bullshitted their way into so many dead ends with the promise that they knew what they were doing. It's very much clear now after a million fuck ups that they do in fact NOT know what they are doing. Have you ever seen bad management take companies down with poor financial decision after another? Do you think these guys are immune to it? We don't want more number tweaks we want content that adds to the game not take away from it. Shit that keeps people playing.
@@kazaren Buddy, everyone is starved for more content. Devs could only focus on content with no changes to anything and people still would complain. Content does take time. The one thing the devs abslutely affect in timely manners is the feedback they get. They know people will complain every patch, they want them to test it out and get real feedback. this is not a roadmap, it is a damn experiment. Your messaging sucks for this. Like I would not subscribe to this. low quality, one continuous scene with no gameplay clips, no pointers/diagrams/anything to hold my attention. It just sounds like crying, just watch the video over and pretend it's not you. I'm not changing this. I explained what you are doing wrong. I hope this gave some insight on your Tube.
I remember kazaren - aikira fighting with us 20 match a row with draw ( we cant defeat each other )in first season ruins.I am ok with less gear dependent . But this is too much . Example Just make squire falchion dmg 41 green 42 blue 44 epic 45 legend 46 . That way squire kits can outplay legend kits but needs a efford . Also gem system would be perfect imo . Right now ranger and barb dominates . Fundamental changes killing this game . After 4k hours I can say They need to change things more slowly ,lightly .
A five minute roast towards the average reddit dark and darker player. 👌
03:14 I agree, but I think something people might be neglecting that, even if we assume (and rightfully so) that better and more experienced players > worse players, their goal (IMs that is) could still be to make the gap narrower from top to bottom. By nerfing all damage, it is, in a way, doing that, like it or not. By nerfing top heavy equipment it is also doing that. Is it a elegant way or even right wya of doing it?...in this case it DOES seem like its just...dumb. BUT, it could still be their goal. It's like say everyone had weapons that could do 1-10 damage, if those were now made to do 2-9 max, the gap between the best and the worse SHOULD, in theory, at least be narrower.
I'm honestly not THAT invested in this discussion, as I just more or less enjoy the game and it's not like its my "main game". Whilst back in the day LoL was my "main game", changes like these would affect me way more, if that makes sense. And I wonder if their data doesn't say that "most players" are in the not-so-invested side of the discussion?
Quick Edit: And as far as your last point goes. The whole "you can do anything, and change anything" kinda vibe, I get your point towards this game, BUT, one could also play devils advocate here and just say that so should you and all the other top players and people on reddit do, right? You can adapt and cope with the changes, instead of "crying like babies" :P
Yup that's how it goes.
Quite a lot of people have gear fear and don't want to bring good gear into games and when you kill them, they start complaining that you "gear diffed" them.
Like bro why are you coming to HR in minimum gear with bad rolls if you think "gear diff" matters so much.
Some people have said that I did so well as a Barbarian (pre patch#69) because I was running full legendary kits and "gear diffed" everyone.
Completely ignoring the fact that I have 2400h on this game and my Barbarian is close to 500 fame. But no it couldn't be that, must be "gear diff"
I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. "Gear gap" hardly means someone beat you JUST because they had slightly better gear than you. This only holds true if your playing something like a base kit ranger vs a full BIS fighter where you are virtually unable to deal any damage to them. As soon as you invest 2-5k gold on a set or find a couple good pieces in raid, you have the option to outskill or kill anyone. Ive been killing people with 10k worth of gear as a wizard in a 500g kit. Also people in 20k kits as a warlock with a 2-3k gold luck set. I really dont see how people have these matches where its "impossible" to win outside of trios. And in trios this is entirely a class balance issue because cleric + frontline renders any kind of skill expression meaningless when cleric gives their frontliner 1000 ehp (at least on last patch).
Lucy spotted outside of Warlock chat wtf
Winning against impossible odds or next to no hope is why I find this game so fun. Winning against bigger juicers is dopamine deluxe.
they hated jesus because he told them the truth
Gear diff definetly exists, and its good, you should feel strong with good gear!
It’s also a big risk bringing crazy gear to the dungeon, and paints a big target on your back.
Good gear will only get you so far, you won’t steamroll lobbies purely based on gear.
Nothing of this matters now, everyone is running bis squire kits, and there is only 2 classes left in the game.
Think you might've misunderstood what I meant with gear dif. I meant it as you're good enough and you'll find ways to gear up and beat bigger opponents. Like climbing a ladder. There's nothing stopping anyone from climbing that ladder. The journey is equal for all to take. And as you said, good gear will only take you so far. I hope we get back on track with future update. Cuz as of now this ain't it.
Gear gap does exist. Put a a old squire kit against a bard/warlock with bis
i quit playing because the pool of players shrunk and every dungeon i entered i was at the bottom of the new skill level and was hunted relentlessly by players that just wanted to kill people. this was inevitable and happens to all games like this. when players cant extract they arent having fun. why play after that?
This game is over guys third time waking up to no revert
Your words are true, but one does not lead to another, there IS a gear gap even after a patch, might be a small one but it is still present
Add a tutorial? No
Make the game play itself? Yes
what gear u use for squire druid?
squire gear 180hp barbarian when +w directly into my fireballs didnt work:
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a game where skill matters should have SKILL BRACKETS or MMR SYSTEM. this is the biggest problem with this game is im 38 years old and will never be better are these sweatlord kids so does that mean i shouldnt be an iron mace customer? That's why i think pvp should be opt in like either arena only or flag pvp on or off in dungeon.
W kaz
If people keep making videos hopefully they’ll revert it. Every. Single. One. Of my favorite games has been ruined by an incompetent dev team. They always fundamentally ruin the game. Thanks for making this brother.
I agree only thing that I dont like is really solos and it sucks getting hard countered.
Class based game. Hard to avoid unfortunately. Why I avoid that queue religiously. The classes are meant to compliment each other, Imagine playing overwatch but as a extraction looter based game, Imagine you main Mercy and run into Widowmaker in the game in a 1v1. This game definitely isn't built for solos. Its hard to make things not get hard countered when they are supposed to be really good at one thing or two, And suck at the rest to even it out.
@@kazaren check the new patch
@@countdracula9763 Negative IQ lead dev decides to release another negative IQ patch, Oh wow I can't wait to see what they got in store for us *Opens the game* They removed mem cap from the game, All my gear Ive min maxed to at least be able to cast my spells is completely dead. More time wasted and down the drain as usual. W ironmace.
This is true good and bad gear I know am still dogshit. I never coped but I do get mad, very mad. DaD players should try monster hunter imo it's doing wonders for my mental.
Based. Souls games did wonders for me. Getting perpetually cooked until everything made sense.
B.s how can i get better when they make drastic changes every week
they make drastic changes every week because u retards keep derailing the game with stupid ideas.
I was winning fights before and now i win even more fights against certain classes cause theres no gear gap...
how many hours you got?
Listen, gear diff *is* real, just look at barbarian and crystal sword fighter.Some matchups you just cannot win by gear diff.And thats ok.
Making the gear communist was not the way to go about it.Ever.
What a real Video. Wish the Devs would have the 5 iq required to think like this. Literally the biggest games on the market all have equal opportunity and unequal outcome. Trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist killed this game if they dont revert. There is a reason why they are PVE and story games. If you don´t want to compete you dont have to, this game is just not for you.
Gear checker has to play the game 😂
Just put my fries in the bag bro
I don’t work in the service industry but yeah fuck EVERYONE who works there and all their opinions. They just don’t matter. Thanks kaz!
Lmaooo you deleted my comment probably cus you realized this ain’t a good look. Enjoy hating on normal ass people with service industry jobs
@@TonyTooEverything 🤓Redditor Moment 🤓
The devs need to understand that if the people winning in matches are saying the update sucks, the pvp is boring, and there’s no point to looting maybe they should think about reverting idk man
I agree but there is a difference between copying and a problem in the game like how op demon lock used to be and how ruins used to be way to open before getting rework but also complaining wil never make you better at any game I realy think last patch the game was fine maby fighter was a lilt strong and rouge could use a small buff but iron mace need to focus on adding new stuf like sorserer and new maps
I agree with the vid all gear gap can be overcomed by skill gap, but you dont want to put a literal goliath vs david situation if possible (it doesnt feel good) and if the game is extremely unbalanced this is only true in almost ridiculous scenarios. So in this game is better to make pvp challenging, not a boss fight if possible, and make better player brackets and gs brackets.
They tried to flatten gear over all queues (unless we have only 1 queue in the future, which would be horrible puting fresh players next to 5k hrs) which is a mistake, but they just had to lessen gear diff in each queue (and take one queue out, if we dont have enough players to have so many or sdf wants to do it), we still have 3 queues, and the game naturally entices players good players that get good loot to use it and go higher league with people with similar achievements in gear (now it doesnt), we could entice it even more by making under 22 gs (yes 22, i dont want ppl sneaking in jewelry to ppl who dont even know what gs is) a loot drop similar to patch 67, then over 22 gs normals have a loot drop similar to patch 68 so they can easily farm to go to HR, where the min gs requirement could be all epic gear aprox have a epic gear be the standard loot.
For example put a gear cap in over 22 gs normals so that players with very high disparity of gear cannot meet, for example the max gear score is a full blue kit, and if they want to run their full epic kit they have to face legendary.
They could do some gear squishing if there is still too much gear gap in SAME queues, for example from 1-7 stats to 4-7(a little higher stats in squire= better casual exp in pve) and have shared stats in pairs, uncommon/rare, epic, legendary/unique but to differenciate them have 1 and 2 random rolls respectively in each pair (except unique who has 3 rolls)
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Kaz is correct all making the gear equal did was make it so that stat check vs my game knowledge is gone the small advantage you had as someone with less hrs is gone now.
I also want to say bro there was gearscore brackets previously why is that not being talked about? You didnt have to fight geared players if you didnt want to.
I have not once in the entire lifespan of this game, given up on it. They need to revert this god awful patch.
“W patch” said Timmy. “ you complain because we’re all equal now” no Timmy you never found gear to begin with. Now we all don’t find gear
Meh, the distinction between player skill vs gear gap does not disprove the factual existence of a gear gap in a given encounter... you just don't consider that a problem, which is fine... but this is a different claim.
Spitting facts
None of this matters. All gears have the same stats now.
Mostly true about putting in the hours and everyone's inherent capabilities as an individual but the game has always suffered from relatively low skill expression and at higher levels very quick TTK, played since playtest 1 or 2 but the devs have somehow kept making the game worse rofl
they should've changed the itemization but not in this way how everything is the same base stats
I also don't understand why they're insistent on not adding proper melee mechanics just give some decent parry mechanics or sidesteps and there's already way more skill expression
OK but getting barb diff'd as a rogue isn't my fault when I've poked him to 5 hp in a skirmish then he rages, turns around and one taps me from full HP with a felling axe, that's ridiculous. I want to be able to do melee combat in pvp as rogue but doing it against barbs is suicide. he shouldn't be able to capatalize on ONE SINGLE mistake I made because his axe swings faster then MY KNIFE. and if I ambush an enemy from the dark or stealth. sure. I'll deal 70% when I pop out but he deals 100% when he turns around. AND moves faster then rogues when raged. it's ridiculous...
Oh. wait. this complaint isn't about gear. it's about barb.
The issue usually is not gear gap, After the update with the reduction in total hp there is more gear gap than before the update though. Since with damage gear the caster classes can all be 1 shot.
The issue with this game is cheater gap. Most of the people you are dying to are just cheating, Over 50% of teams in normal lobbies are cheating and 1-2 teams in every HR lobby are cheating.
The cheaters tend to have very good gear since they never die, And so people see that and think it was a gear gap and not that this team used esp and aimbot to win.
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was ready for this video to be cringe and its the best take on not liking the new update ive heard. well done
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Why are we assuming that sdf cooked up these changes because of casuals? Has there been more crying about gear disparity lately? I'm asking, cause I remember seeing his message on how they decided to move the game towards "their vision" and I don't think there was any mention there of making the game more casual friendly.
When i have gold like 15 k I spend I lose it just get more by farming and killing it’s not that hard to do
gear gap isnt real because gear isnt in the game anymore.
Casuals? You are the item hoarding casuals who got offended when your monkey work went cheap labor. Real men have never given anything but zero F-s about gear in this hardcore pvp game. From pvp perspective this patch is an absolute good, because it is way less scoobydooing than before, which is totally fine.
You do have a point, however gear dif is 100% a thing and a problem. The fact that two people at the same skill level is decided by people spending obscene amounts of gold on a kit it stupid. People min maxxing to bring in copper light to instantly have an advantage is stupid. People being able to spend money and not play the game in order to get a guarenteed win against skilled players is not a viable pvp system. I should not be instantly killed going into hr because someone has solid frostlight or lego kits. That is not a fun experience. The current hotfix is a little rough but no one ever said this was the final version.
i don't even disagree but is the toxicity necessary?
I love watching casuals complain in reddit and the devs listening to them instead of fixing bugs that havent been fixed for actual years like having spell audio stuck on you
Does it even matter anymore lol fuck this update
Games fine. Stop dooming
good points but gear having no value anymore makes the game feel like cod, lots of people pvped to get other players bis gear and thats exciting, no point in doing that anymore, everyone runs squire
But I thought I could watch one TH-cam video and become a PvP god this patch rules!!!! Gear sucks!!! WAAAAAAH :(((
If you can consistently use 5k kits you are at least as skilled as average 5k kit user, or skilled enough to win at least 2 out of 3 fights against 2.5k kit, and so on
Yepp there is a curve. Also recognizing someone is out of your League while fighting them is also a skill in itself. Sometimes I find some turbo longsword user or ranger that shits all over me and if Im somehow still alive I literally just leave. I wanted smoke and now I got some, And I would like to keep my set so I just dip if thats an option still. I don't have to win every fight, Sometimes winning just means I get to take blue and go home after fighting absolute demons.