Today we know that gas operation is the best solution for an automatic rifle, but back then some designers were going to great lengths to avoid it. By 1915 gas operation was well understood and known to be workable and reliable, if not from the Mondragon rifle already in German service then surely from the 1912 Lewis gun encountered in the field, yet still well-known and serious gun makers were trying the wackiest and most unlikely operation mechanisms such as inertia blowback, primer actuation etc only to circumvent that need to drill a hole in the barrel. This gun is a good example of that, and also very typical for early automatic weapons: intricate machined components, exposed working parts and an overall sense of quality and good workmanship, together with some poorly understood physics. Indeed, that inertial component that is supposed to unlock the bolt under recoil seems to have so little mass that it's a wonder the gun manages to cycle at all. Good job as usual Ian, you're becoming a permanent fixture on my computer screen.
@@TheZINGularity I guess they were under the impression that it would lead to premature wear and loss of accuracy. Also they didn't want to lose that little bit of kinetic energy :)
@@lucianene7741 yep. that is 100 percent correct. they did it just for the fear of the barrel of wearing out quicker. but now we know that it is relatively the same life as one without a gas port hole.
ahem, what about the long recoil system? that was one of the better inertia operating systems. in the matter of fact, the long recoil action is still being produced today, wanna know why? It is a reliable system that is extremely safe, and get dirtier LESS, than a gas operation. But due to its high-felt recoil, its undesirable for most civilian shooters, which is why its uncommon :)
I'm always amazed at how tiny pins or just just a tab that can be flicked one way or another holds a gun together. These are incredibly deadly tools, harnessing small controlled explosions to direct metal fragments at other people and you just knock a few pins out and it comes apart.
fullmetalfunk you described exactly what amazes me, i mean, a piece of iron that gives kinetic energy at smaller pieces of lead by using a controlled chemical reaction, awesome
Humans are wild. "Yeah, we forge bits of elements found in rocks into tubes and a bunch of other moving parts so as to utilize them to wield reactive minerals to harness small explosions so we can direct other bits of elements found in rocks to kill things. Mostly each other over elements found in rocks and places to bioengineer strains of plants so we can eat their offspring."
Over engineered but beautiful and a great example of German machining. The walnut is even nicely figured and fitted. Can you imagine field stripping this gun?!
Its amazing how complicated a lot of the early semi auto designs were. Most of them were pretty clever or just downright ingenious, but almost every single one of them were either too complex or too expensive. Could you imagine how people would react if you went back in time with what we know now about semi and full auto weapons? People wouldn't care so much about John Browning these days.
Mauser actually even lost an eye to one of his experimental rifles. Funny enough, his son in law was a doctor that removed the half-destroyed eye for him.
Question: If the rifle were braced too strongly (say the shooters back was braced against a wall) would it fail to cycle? Wow. Very interesting design, but it cannot have been reliable or efficient to manufacture. Very cool to see such an unusual approach to this engineering problem.
Ian has always your videos are so instructive and fun to watch it's crazy. You always come up with a new gem I don't know about and I really want to get from now on ! I bought my first gun because of you, I love my WWI mauser
The 7,62x39 also known as the M43 cartridge was developed during the IIWW as an intermediate cartridge in 1943 and was first used in the SKS carbine. Later on the AK-47 assault rifle was chambered for the same round. The Fedorov Automatic fired the old 7,62x54R full power rifle cartridge originally used in the Mosin Nagant M91 infantry rifle and all of it's later models afterwards.
"hey,Hans?" "Ja, Franz?" "I have zis idea to keep us machinists avay from ze Front!" "Oh? Let me zee! .... It is brilliant! Zis vill take so much machining we will never have to go to ze Front!"
The "K" could stand for "Kurtz" which translates into "short." Basically, like how the "C" in G36C in English terms mean Carbine/Compact/Commando and in German it's called the G36K with the "K" standing for "Kurtz" (short).
I'm going to register on your patreon Iain. I've come to expect a video daily as your content is by far the most entertaining pass time I have so I think it's time I gave something back. Keep up the good work Iain and team.
I am always amazed at some of the great ideas that were designed back in the day before there was any real knowledge as to how a semi-auto firearm should be designed, or how they operated for that matter.
Ian I've been a bid fan of your content for a long time now. And now that BF1 is coming out, it offers another amount of Joy in your videos of these rare guns that will be playable in the game.
I wonder if it couldn't have done considerably better with a different magazine release and a housing built around the action with a dust cover to keep gunk out...
Externally, this always looked very similar to the Fedorov rifle, especially the carbine version. The style of magazine too. But do they have anything mechanically in common?
Came here from the Flieger Karabiner video before he could even open the gun up because I've seen it so much in Battlefield 1, but when Ian took the cover off, I was just like "woah, oh my..." and he said it himself. Beautiful rifles, both Karabiner and Infantry versions are amazing pieces. Wish I could own one :))
When you said about the reliability, I didn't think that the action would be so much trouble, but when you take the magazine out... OMG... that was the problem, the trigger get totally exposed...
its interesting that they left the temper colors alone in the guts of the gun.those are usually polished out .its not necessary to keep that nice temper blue on the inside of the gun were no ones really gonna see it.thanx Ian.
Looks like one could lock that inertial piece in its forward position and fire the gun unlocked. Like, imagine u just started to reload to avoid running dry and just as u push the flapper cam forward someone charges at u with his bayonet and forces u to fire the rifle with the bolt unlocked.
Yet another very unusual rifle, but this wasn't the only semi-auto battle rifle Germany was looking at back then. Luger also produced a battle rifle around the same toggle bolt system as their better-known pistol, chambered in the same full power cartridge that the G/K-98 and MG-08 used. Only a few hundred Luger semi-auto battle rifles were ever built (sometime around 1910 or 1912, if I recall correctly) and it had a similar five-round internal mag to that of the G/K-98, which might have limited its usefulness somewhat. One can only imagine what could have been accomplished by such a rifle had they chosen to use interchangeable 10, 15 or even 20 round box mags instead! I would dearly love to see a video about the Luger battle rifle someday, but I know there aren't many left these days.😉
Something I have wondered for awhile is If someone went back in time and told the gun designers of the early 1900s the design of the AR-15 would it have been possible to make a reliable gun based off of it?
Your comments about serial numbers and number of surviving examples made me think of what's called the German tank problem in statistics: how to estimate the total number of examples based on a small sample of serial numbers. Just doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation, assuming you have about 12 known numbers with the maximum being 566 ... that does suggest something near 600 as the total number produced. It certainly doesn't rule out there being as many as 700, but 2,000 is unlikely unless there was a factory fire or something.
It seems like you could do the opposite of "limp-wristing" it and actually have it held too tightly or in a brace, so that the rifle can't move backward enough relative to the cam plate to unlock the flappers.
I'm guessing of what i can see it has charger clip guides too, you can see them at 9:09. Makes a lot of sense of it being able to be loaded with charger clips considering the difficulty in removing the magazine. I would be fair in quessing the infantry model's magazine could have been treated the same as the SMLE's detachable magazine as the magazine would have been removed only for cleaning and also logistics wise it might be easier with using charger clips and clip pouches from the Gew 98.
I find all the videos very interesting not only as history, but as an insight into how thought processes worked when men designed these various machines. One request though, when referencing earlier related videos could you please add a web link in the description to the location of the aforementioned video. Thanks. Subscribed to the Patreon, so keep the videos coming!
Another reason these guns are so rare is the restrictions on German gun ownership imposed after WW1. First by the Allied Powers then by the Weimar Republic. The Reichswehr had restrictions on the numbers of weapons it could posses: Anything in its inventory that was wornout, unreliable, or used non-standard parts would have been winnowed out, sold or scrapped. While civilians were banned from owning military calibre longarms. And the complex and precise self-loading mechanism of these Mausers would have made then difficult to convert to a legal sporting calibre.
I REALLY like the idea of this action, nothing to impede the natural harmonics of the barrel like a gas tube does so, theoretically at least, should be just as accurate as a bolt-action once the barrel has been 'floated'... Would be a perfect civilian semi-auto rifle seeing as it would hardly ever see the same abuse as it would in warfare. Such a shame we would never see one down-under, that's IF they were ever to be re-manufactured! Any chance of a video clip one day of one of these being fired? Would love to see just how accurate it is compared to the 98 Mauser it was intended to replace... :)
Seems like you could easily refine that system to avoid issues. Like making that cam block more internal without as much outside the receiver. and making the system more enclosed in some form. Honestly, it seems like it would need similar considerations as a Benelli Inertia Locked rifle might need. I mean, this is basically an inertia operated flapper locked rifle. Though I think an gas pistol cycling the cam plate would be more reliable and by that point there would be better options. Though this might avoid patents from that timespan.
Ian: "These were terrible in the field and nobody used them" EA: "fuck it we need as many semi autos as possible or nobody will play BF1, who tf cares about historical accuracy?"
As much as you guys may hate me saying this: Battlefield 1 really piqued my interest in these weapons. Before, I was ALL about WW2. I couldnt care less about WW1 history, as it wasnt as "exciting" to me then. But after BF1, and doing some research on the history of the war, I really appreciate the technology and tactics that came from it. I really underestimated how greatly this war impacted and changed the world, but Im glad that I know more about the history of those times.
Greyson Mills I'm probably one of the people who actually knew about these rare rifles and other guns before battlefield 1 was a thing. I've been very interested in World War era history including weapons.
Who’s collection is this! He’s got the craziest rare and experimental firearms collection! Like this and those prototype C96 trench carbines and all the Bergman models. I’d love to visit this dudes house 😍
So it has a locking system, but what actually moved the bolt back seems to be blowback, since the recoil system only unlock the flappers. So in that case I guess it's sort of a recoil-delayed blowback, except it does have a locking system. Weird and unusual, and very interesting.
It is? I wonder how they will balance this out. A semi auto rifle with a 25 round mag, when every other rifle just uses stripper clips. I bet they give them like 25 damage points or some bullsh**
Perhaps someday we will have 3d printers that can make all these goodies for us. I like the looks of this one. Perhaps a magpul stock and a flash hider and it would be quite special.
Nice piece of german engineering! I was always surprised that geniuses like the Mauser brothers never got a selfloading rifle right. Their rifles are near perfect and the pistols pretty nice, but the challenge of making a reliable semi-auto gun was out of their reach. Sadly, I heard Paul Mauser lost an eye in one of his attemps, so every great arms developer has his own Achiles´Heel.
I've seen that but I'm talking about this in general. The TH-cam Battlefielders like LvlCap and JackFrags always complaining about this weapon is OP and that should be nerfed...Ian could give them a well informed reality check. Come to think of it, there should be a playable character modelled after and voiced by Ian that starts talking about the weapon you equip if you stand still long enough or in the test range just for educational purposes and to add some depth to the game.
I would speculate that the "K" stands for Karabiner (it makes sense - at least from a German perspective, self-loading rifles are often called "Selbstladekarabiner" instead of "Selbstladegewehr" (note: I am from Germany, so I think I can speculate on that - not that I actually know!))
That gun almost looks new, amazing considering its ~100 years old.
I guess it has always been someones prised possession :P
I agree. It does look pretty cool.
Jesper O When there is literally a couple of these guns in existence, you tend to want to keep the gun in good condition.
It is in pretty good condition, so I agree.
The dice weapon modelers must've binge watched forgotten weapons ww1 videos
Meerkat More he is in the credits in the game as a source
@@kellykun5090 I never noticed that's badass
@@kellykun5090 lol damn
@@mcdonaldtrump7635 that was two years ago lollll
@@kellykun5090 lol I know, I've been watching old forgotten weapons videos and looking at the comments ;)
holy gods the machining quality on that is immaculate
indeed the machining is immaculate and delecate!!
Such a great 100 year old rifle... thanks for another great review!
This gun is the definition of German engineering. Make it as complicated as possible.
Have you ever seen the insides of a G11? The internal mechanism in the back of the gun looks like an expensive swiss pocket watch.
Congratulations. You've just defined Britain.
wild bill swiss weaponmakers are german weaponmakers who has experiance with watches instead of tanks and care even less about cost.
Nutz4Gunz45 such a beautiful fun man
If it’s worth doing it’s worth overdoing
Today we know that gas operation is the best solution for an automatic rifle, but back then some designers were going to great lengths to avoid it. By 1915 gas operation was well understood and known to be workable and reliable, if not from the Mondragon rifle already in German service then surely from the 1912 Lewis gun encountered in the field, yet still well-known and serious gun makers were trying the wackiest and most unlikely operation mechanisms such as inertia blowback, primer actuation etc only to circumvent that need to drill a hole in the barrel. This gun is a good example of that, and also very typical for early automatic weapons: intricate machined components, exposed working parts and an overall sense of quality and good workmanship, together with some poorly understood physics.
Indeed, that inertial component that is supposed to unlock the bolt under recoil seems to have so little mass that it's a wonder the gun manages to cycle at all.
Good job as usual Ian, you're becoming a permanent fixture on my computer screen.
Thanks for the interesting read!
What was the hate toward drilling a hole through the barrel?
isnt that what the german ww2 ordinance also ordered as a requirement for the G-41 (M)?
@@TheZINGularity
I guess they were under the impression that it would lead to premature wear and loss of accuracy. Also they didn't want to lose that little bit of kinetic energy :)
@@lucianene7741 yep. that is 100 percent correct. they did it just for the fear of the barrel of wearing out quicker. but now we know that it is relatively the same life as one without a gas port hole.
ahem, what about the long recoil system? that was one of the better inertia operating systems. in the matter of fact, the long recoil action is still being produced today, wanna know why? It is a reliable system that is extremely safe, and get dirtier LESS, than a gas operation. But due to its high-felt recoil, its undesirable for most civilian shooters, which is why its uncommon :)
How someone can imagine, draw up, and engineer this action mechanism... it is unbelievable.
I'm always amazed at how tiny pins or just just a tab that can be flicked one way or another holds a gun together. These are incredibly deadly tools, harnessing small controlled explosions to direct metal fragments at other people and you just knock a few pins out and it comes apart.
fullmetalfunk you described exactly what amazes me, i mean, a piece of iron that gives kinetic energy at smaller pieces of lead by using a controlled chemical reaction, awesome
Humans are wild. "Yeah, we forge bits of elements found in rocks into tubes and a bunch of other moving parts so as to utilize them to wield reactive minerals to harness small explosions so we can direct other bits of elements found in rocks to kill things. Mostly each other over elements found in rocks and places to bioengineer strains of plants so we can eat their offspring."
fullmetalfunk reading your comments made me wet my pants
I've found that you can make anything sound outlandish if you speak objectively enough about it. Give it a go!
fullmetalfunk oh i do it all the time while speaking italian, but my knowledge of english is limited and i'm getting used to it, goodbye smart boy
I could sit there and play with the moving parts all day just to hear the magnificent machining, if you know what I mean. A work of art.
typical german problem: too precise...
All the products that came out from Mauser at those years are excellent. i love the C96
One would think it had to be CNC Machined as it is so perfectly Machined.
Over engineered but beautiful and a great example of German machining. The walnut is even nicely figured and fitted. Can you imagine field stripping this gun?!
The war will be over before you strip it
Here because Vanguard will add this Selbstlader for S3.
Same
Mechanically, this is one of the most interesting firearms I've ever seen. I wish they were more common so I could add one to my collection.
Its amazing how complicated a lot of the early semi auto designs were. Most of them were pretty clever or just downright ingenious, but almost every single one of them were either too complex or too expensive.
Could you imagine how people would react if you went back in time with what we know now about semi and full auto weapons? People wouldn't care so much about John Browning these days.
Mauser actually even lost an eye to one of his experimental rifles. Funny enough, his son in law was a doctor that removed the half-destroyed eye for him.
Question: If the rifle were braced too strongly (say the shooters back was braced against a wall) would it fail to cycle?
Wow. Very interesting design, but it cannot have been reliable or efficient to manufacture. Very cool to see such an unusual approach to this engineering problem.
Yes, it would.
So I guess bench resting it for accuracy testing was a no go. Maybe the Mauser brothers had "bump firing" in mind when they designed it?
You can bench rest the thing just fine, you merely need to use a "free recoil" approach.
most guns will malfunction if you impede their recoil, especially handguns
Yourantsally Not exactly, pistols will fail if held to loosely, this rifle has the opposite problem
Ian has always your videos are so instructive and fun to watch it's crazy. You always come up with a new gem I don't know about and I really want to get from now on ! I bought my first gun because of you, I love my WWI mauser
Thanks!
This Mauser weapon looks hauntingly similar to the Fedorov Avtomat.
7.62 x39mm yeah but the russians did better and first because it was made before the self loader although i could be wrong
The 7,62x39 also known as the M43 cartridge was developed during the IIWW as an intermediate cartridge in 1943 and was first used in the SKS carbine. Later on the AK-47 assault rifle was chambered for the same round. The Fedorov Automatic fired the old 7,62x54R full power rifle cartridge originally used in the Mosin Nagant M91 infantry rifle and all of it's later models afterwards.
StPaul76 The Fedorov used Japanese "short" ammunition, where the hell did you get 7.62x54Rimmed from?
You don't even need to shoot these weapons to make your videos interesting. Thank you a lot!
Facu Pasini the weapons are probably up for display on
Beautiful machine work. Nice example of a very rare weapon.
"hey,Hans?"
"Ja, Franz?"
"I have zis idea to keep us machinists avay from ze Front!"
"Oh? Let me zee! .... It is brilliant! Zis vill take so much machining we will never have to go to ze Front!"
Scott Kenny lmao
What a beautiful -- and impractical -- mechanism!
Only channel where you'll find this sort of information.
The "K" could stand for "Kurtz" which translates into "short." Basically, like how the "C" in G36C in English terms mean Carbine/Compact/Commando and in German it's called the G36K with the "K" standing for "Kurtz" (short).
I'm going to register on your patreon Iain. I've come to expect a video daily as your content is by far the most entertaining pass time I have so I think it's time I gave something back. Keep up the good work Iain and team.
I am always amazed at some of the great ideas that were designed back in the day before there was any real knowledge as to how a semi-auto firearm should be designed, or how they operated for that matter.
the fact someone was able to machine that over 100 years ago is insane.
Very interesting, it's quite hard to imagine than this rifle is 100 years old !
Thank you for bringing this beautiful example to us. It looks like it's brand new!
Yes, someone loves this rifle, but perhaps not enough to take her out and shoot her at paper. Far too clean for that!
Ian I've been a bid fan of your content for a long time now. And now that BF1 is coming out, it offers another amount of Joy in your videos of these rare guns that will be playable in the game.
Really cool looking - would love to own one and I'm not even big into military guns
I love the sound of the gun, and its not even firing yet!
why did the scarecrow get an award?
he was outstanding in his field
I love looking at these overly complex rifles. The machining is quite impressive for its time.
Also, dat nitre bluing
I wonder if it couldn't have done considerably better with a different magazine release and a housing built around the action with a dust cover to keep gunk out...
Externally, this always looked very similar to the Fedorov rifle, especially the carbine version. The style of magazine too. But do they have anything mechanically in common?
Nothing at all. :)
The nerling on that bolt handle is gorgeous. Well done on that front...
today is my birthday and I woke up and watched this. so far so great.
Came here from the Flieger Karabiner video before he could even open the gun up because I've seen it so much in Battlefield 1, but when Ian took the cover off, I was just like "woah, oh my..." and he said it himself. Beautiful rifles, both Karabiner and Infantry versions are amazing pieces. Wish I could own one :))
It looks really slick and well made. And of course, if our neighbours made it, it was also very complicated.
I love these videos,thanks for taking the time to make them.
Battlefield 1 has made this guy money
And vice versa
I can get shot in 2 seconds
I use the selbstader on a daily basis
Jesus christ, that's some creative engineering.
When you said about the reliability, I didn't think that the action would be so much trouble, but when you take the magazine out... OMG... that was the problem, the trigger get totally exposed...
That is a beautiful Rube Goldberg mechanism right there.
its interesting that they left the temper colors alone in the guts of the gun.those are usually polished out .its not necessary to keep that nice temper blue on the inside of the gun were no ones really gonna see it.thanx Ian.
i guess it'd be great if you could show the different specific cartridges for each gun you introduce. great vids by the way! :)
Looks like one could lock that inertial piece in its forward position and fire the gun unlocked. Like, imagine u just started to reload to avoid running dry and just as u push the flapper cam forward someone charges at u with his bayonet and forces u to fire the rifle with the bolt unlocked.
It has very nice lines and the stock looks gorgeous.
Yet another very unusual rifle, but this wasn't the only semi-auto battle rifle Germany was looking at back then. Luger also produced a battle rifle around the same toggle bolt system as their better-known pistol, chambered in the same full power cartridge that the G/K-98 and MG-08 used.
Only a few hundred Luger semi-auto battle rifles were ever built (sometime around 1910 or 1912, if I recall correctly) and it had a similar five-round internal mag to that of the G/K-98, which might have limited its usefulness somewhat. One can only imagine what could have been accomplished by such a rifle had they chosen to use interchangeable 10, 15 or even 20 round box mags instead!
I would dearly love to see a video about the Luger battle rifle someday, but I know there aren't many left these days.😉
Something I have wondered for awhile is If someone went back in time and told the gun designers of the early 1900s the design of the AR-15 would it have been possible to make a reliable gun based off of it?
If you want to appreciate the machine quality of this rifle look at all the work went into that winged bolt during closeups
Your comments about serial numbers and number of surviving examples made me think of what's called the German tank problem in statistics: how to estimate the total number of examples based on a small sample of serial numbers. Just doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation, assuming you have about 12 known numbers with the maximum being 566 ... that does suggest something near 600 as the total number produced. It certainly doesn't rule out there being as many as 700, but 2,000 is unlikely unless there was a factory fire or something.
Such a beautiful gun
One can only dream of having access to as many guns as Forgotten Weapons
Ian, i m always inpressed by your interesting and well researched videos!
Also you speaking german is always my personal highlight ;)
This Video is great! I've watched loads of your videos and their are really interesting and fun to watch. Keep doing what your doing!
It seems like you could do the opposite of "limp-wristing" it and actually have it held too tightly or in a brace, so that the rifle can't move backward enough relative to the cam plate to unlock the flappers.
Good show Ian, what a tool-makers gun-typical german winkelgetrieb!
This gun saw more action in battlefield than it did in real life
I'm guessing of what i can see it has charger clip guides too, you can see them at 9:09. Makes a lot of sense of it being able to be loaded with charger clips considering the difficulty in removing the magazine. I would be fair in quessing the infantry model's magazine could have been treated the same as the SMLE's detachable magazine as the magazine would have been removed only for cleaning and also logistics wise it might be easier with using charger clips and clip pouches from the Gew 98.
I find all the videos very interesting not only as history, but as an insight into how thought processes worked when men designed these various machines. One request though, when referencing earlier related videos could you please add a web link in the description to the location of the aforementioned video. Thanks. Subscribed to the Patreon, so keep the videos coming!
Why do i have a feeling that someone at DICE Watches your videos
10:06 In typical German fashion, every part has a serial number.
Another reason these guns are so rare is the restrictions on German gun ownership imposed after WW1. First by the Allied Powers then by the Weimar Republic.
The Reichswehr had restrictions on the numbers of weapons it could posses: Anything in its inventory that was wornout, unreliable, or used non-standard parts would have been winnowed out, sold or scrapped.
While civilians were banned from owning military calibre longarms. And the complex and precise self-loading mechanism of these Mausers would have made then difficult to convert to a legal sporting calibre.
Weird to think that out on the western front there are probably dozens of these still intact buried in the dirt
I'm sure the weather has deteriorated them quite a bit
Ayyy, it's that gun from that game!
Goat Spittle lol
Goat Spittle the selbslader in bf1 isnt that bad
Prototypical Kraut Space Magic!
It probably would work better in space
You know the Selbstlader 1906? There's only one in existence
ClaviusHD There is more than one, they are just rare because they weren't mass produced.
Really like these WWI self-loading rifle designs
This is actually more of an inertia operated rifle. Same principle as a Bennelli auto shotgun (but entirely different locking mechanism).
I REALLY like the idea of this action, nothing to impede the natural
harmonics of the barrel like a gas tube does so, theoretically at least, should be just as accurate as a bolt-action once the barrel has been 'floated'...
Would be a perfect civilian semi-auto rifle seeing as it would hardly ever see the same abuse as it would in warfare.
Such a shame we would never see one down-under, that's IF they were ever to be re-manufactured!
Any chance of a video clip one day of one of these being fired?
Would love to see just how accurate it is compared to the 98 Mauser it was intended to replace... :)
well the rifle LOOKS really cool
Best Bf1 Medic Gun
Alejo Pablo exactly why I won't use it
I only used it for the ammo...then realized they gave more ammo per mag but less mags
m1907 sweeper and Fedorov?
For me it's the worst.
Its great but its also the statistically worst medic gun
Seems like you could easily refine that system to avoid issues. Like making that cam block more internal without as much outside the receiver. and making the system more enclosed in some form.
Honestly, it seems like it would need similar considerations as a Benelli Inertia Locked rifle might need.
I mean, this is basically an inertia operated flapper locked rifle. Though I think an gas pistol cycling the cam plate would be more reliable and by that point there would be better options. Though this might avoid patents from that timespan.
Ian: "These were terrible in the field and nobody used them"
EA: "fuck it we need as many semi autos as possible or nobody will play BF1, who tf cares about historical accuracy?"
Only in Battlefield.
I do. :)
Such a sexy gun. Real shame there are so few nowadays.
serious caliber to be used for a semi auto.. very good machining, love how its made. I dont see any other videos about it
As much as you guys may hate me saying this: Battlefield 1 really piqued my interest in these weapons.
Before, I was ALL about WW2. I couldnt care less about WW1 history, as it wasnt as "exciting" to me then. But after BF1, and doing some research on the history of the war, I really appreciate the technology and tactics that came from it. I really underestimated how greatly this war impacted and changed the world, but Im glad that I know more about the history of those times.
Greyson Mills I'm probably one of the people who actually knew about these rare rifles and other guns before battlefield 1 was a thing. I've been very interested in World War era history including weapons.
That is vastly more complicated than it needs to be
Who’s collection is this! He’s got the craziest rare and experimental firearms collection! Like this and those prototype C96 trench carbines and all the Bergman models. I’d love to visit this dudes house 😍
I wouldn't be surprised if this is in Battlefield 1. There's a lot of obscure guns in that game. I'm still hyped for it though!
Red tablecloth collector has the coolest stuff.
I wonder if he'll ever review the Selbstlader 1906.
End My Suffering probably not. there's like only 1 left
True, but mechanically I find it to be an infinitely cooler rifle.
Nice build quality, thats a solid rifle
So it has a locking system, but what actually moved the bolt back seems to be blowback, since the recoil system only unlock the flappers. So in that case I guess it's sort of a recoil-delayed blowback, except it does have a locking system. Weird and unusual, and very interesting.
So we'll see one in every plane in Battlefield 1 right? :D
Most likely this will be Semi auto rifle for medics.
This is confirmed to be in BF1 as a Medic weapon. So if you spawn as a medic in a plane, then yes. There it is.
Yay!
REALISM!
It is? I wonder how they will balance this out. A semi auto rifle with a 25 round mag, when every other rifle just uses stripper clips. I bet they give them like 25 damage points or some bullsh**
Perhaps someday we will have 3d printers that can make all these goodies for us. I like the looks of this one. Perhaps a magpul stock and a flash hider and it would be quite special.
A full disassembly video would take 2 hrs
I love this weapon in battlefield 1
ScrabsDead except for when all the medics on your team are in the back with the snipers using the marksman version of this
ScrabsDead I hate it. It's way overused because it's the best. Challenge yourself people!
MONDRAGON MASTER RACE
SELBSTLADER *M1906* MASTER RACE
Notorious Incognito KOLIBRI MASTER RACE
That flapper system is beautifully manufactured, like a Swiss watch. Looks like any dirt or mud would take it out fairly easily though. Mud test! ;-)
Objectively the best weapon of BF1
Nice piece of german engineering! I was always surprised that geniuses like the Mauser brothers never got a selfloading rifle right. Their rifles are near perfect and the pistols pretty nice, but the challenge of making a reliable semi-auto gun was out of their reach. Sadly, I heard Paul Mauser lost an eye in one of his attemps, so every great arms developer has his own Achiles´Heel.
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This rifle was hinted at in the newest BF1 trailer. Pretty cool.
it's amazing how much ahead of their time the Germans were, this weapon looks like a WW2 weapon.
I hope the developers of Battlefield 1 see this channel and employ Ian as their weapons supervisor...hint hint*
The carbine version with the hand guard in front of the magazine is already in the game, it was leaked via files in the alpha.
I've seen that but I'm talking about this in general. The TH-cam Battlefielders like LvlCap and JackFrags always complaining about this weapon is OP and that should be nerfed...Ian could give them a well informed reality check. Come to think of it, there should be a playable character modelled after and voiced by Ian that starts talking about the weapon you equip if you stand still long enough or in the test range just for educational purposes and to add some depth to the game.
So here is a system where limp wristing (or the rifle equivalent) would actually be necessary to good operation.
So in theory if you hold the gun tight enough and stop the recoil from making the rifle move back you could prevent it from cycling
I haven't seen the full video yet but the flapper locking system reminds me of the Gewehr 43.
Holy cow! What a complicated nightmare!
Kelton Oliver a beautiful complicated nightmare
I would speculate that the "K" stands for Karabiner (it makes sense - at least from a German perspective, self-loading rifles are often called "Selbstladekarabiner" instead of "Selbstladegewehr" (note: I am from Germany, so I think I can speculate on that - not that I actually know!))
That was my thought too, was looking for this comment.